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"You shouldn't buy a Mercedes for trips to the store": Croatian pilot about replacing the MiG-21 with Rafale fighters

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Croatia will soon officially confirm the purchase of Rafale multirole fighters. It is believed that 12 cars will be purchased, the cost of the transaction will amount to 900 million euros. However, is the state able to afford such an expensive purchase?


One of the most famous Croatian pilots (now retired) Ivan Selak tried to answer this question. He expressed his opinion while speaking on the Direkt RTL television show. According to him, Croatia is currently not ready for such a purchase.

Selak said the Rafale is "the best aircraft in the world of its generation." However, when calculating costs, it should be borne in mind how many pilots, technicians and engineers will be required to operate it.

I am very glad that we did not purchase Barak, which were already in Israel's use.

- said Selak, meaning that it was decided not to spend money on Israeli air defense systems.

But he is not pleased with the intention to direct finances for the acquisition of French fighters:

We currently have a small number of pilots under the age of 35. It makes no sense to send 35-year-old pilots to France for retraining; when they begin to fly effectively, this plane will be over 40 years old.


In his words, every purchase should justify itself, all the more so expensive:

We flew the MiG-21 for 30 years. We only used it for 30%, and now we are buying a 4th generation aircraft. How many features will we use? You shouldn't buy a Mercedes to drive to and from the store

- concluded the Croatian pilot, commenting on the intention of the country's leadership to replace the MiG-21 in service with Rafale.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 22 May 2021 09: 35
    +10
    Eeee! Here your politicians go to the bakery! On the Maybachs!
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    2. Egoza
      Egoza 22 May 2021 09: 40
      +15
      Quote: Theodore
      Here your politicians go to the bakery

      So the "theoreticians" (how to cut down the loot) And the pilot is a practitioner! But who will listen to him?
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 22 May 2021 09: 53
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        So the "theoreticians" (how to cut down the loot) And the pilot is a practitioner! But who will listen to him?

        They will listen out of economic feasibility. There is a good export Russian version of a multipurpose "Mercedes" for a bakery, which includes the functionality and optimal affordability - the quality of the MiG-35.
        1. dauria
          dauria 22 May 2021 10: 16
          +3
          They will listen out of economic feasibility.


          Then the Swedish "Gripen" or F-16. Even Russia does not want to buy a MiG-35. Let's face it, the machine is so-so.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 22 May 2021 11: 24
            +12
            Quote: dauria
            They will listen out of economic feasibility.


            Then the Swedish "Gripen" or F-16. Even Russia does not want to buy a MiG-35. Let's face it, the machine is so-so.


            Why is the F-16 better than the MiG-35?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 May 2021 12: 11
              +8
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Why is the F-16 better than the MiG-35?

              The fact that Croatia is in the western zone of influence, respectively, spare parts, components will be supplied by allies, not opponents.
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 22 May 2021 12: 44
              +5
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Why is the F-16 better than the MiG-35?
              Low operating cost. Its engine has a resource for almost the entire service life of the aircraft.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 22 May 2021 16: 08
                +4
                Only this engine costs three or five times more.
            3. Barberry25
              Barberry25 23 May 2021 22: 21
              +1
              laughing the current combat radius for an American with tanks is indicated ..
          2. Gardener91
            Gardener91 22 May 2021 12: 13
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            machine so-so.

            The 35th was created for export. Well, the taste and color ...
          3. vic02
            vic02 24 May 2021 09: 26
            0
            Russia does not want to buy for itself
            Firstly, a contract for the supply of 6 pieces has been signed, so he buys. And the car is great if you put on it a new radar with AFAR.
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 22 May 2021 10: 37
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        And the pilot is a practitioner!

        That's exactly what he understands about bubble. smile
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 May 2021 10: 54
          +18
          When Israel started buying F-16s, veteran pilots were against it.
          "Airplane-comp, why is this needed? It limits actions, does not
          makes it aerobatics "- complained the pilots of Kfir.
          When the Phantom F-4 was copied, the veterans also grumbled.
          "The phantom lifts bombs more than its own weight, it is irreplaceable."
          Young pilots are put on the F-35, for whom virtual reality is the norm.
          You need to be in the air for several hours in the world of animation, cartoons.
          Not relying on ordinary vision. Without turning your head, looking for threats.
          And feel fine.
          1. Finches
            Finches 22 May 2021 11: 49
            +3
            In some century I will agree with God's chosen warrior, you can't stand still, but you can't forget the old either ... And so, Croatia has a desire to buy an expensive car, let them buy it!
          2. Kaman
            Kaman 22 May 2021 16: 46
            -1
            But after all, we will take the F-15EX, which means that workaholic bomb carriers are still needed.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 22 May 2021 11: 43
      +4
      Who is Croatia fighting with?
      The question is rhetorical, but I know with whom she DOES NOT WANT to fight! With the Motherland of the MiGs ...

      Expensive and unnecessary.
      At the same time, talking about "the best in his generation" is a political curtsy, which means that it is impossible to say badly about French. France is very persistently proposing, it will be offended!
      Such "good" that we are redundant wink
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 May 2021 09: 38
    +5
    Where does the money come from? If you buy them, then it is optimal - used Grippens, F16, Mirage2000 ........ there are a lot of upgrading packages and for any money.
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 22 May 2021 09: 51
      +5
      The French really really want someone to evaporate their Rafale. For this booze, they promise to provide a loan with Ukraine in the same way. Even the first batch is promised to be delivered very quickly from the ranks of their Air Force.
  3. Alex_You
    Alex_You 22 May 2021 09: 48
    -12%
    Yeah, let this pilot continue to fly on the 21st. When it falls apart in the air, it will start from fatigue of the structure, it will sing in a different way.
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 22 May 2021 09: 59
      +14
      Where did you see what he suggested to fly further on 21x? With the modest capabilities of 21x today, they did not use them either, this is an example given to the topic - Rafale for Croatia is redundant in all respects: performance characteristics and price. So the information is clearer in a chewed form?
      1. knn54
        knn54 22 May 2021 10: 33
        +1
        If your name is "NATO".
        Support the name with your "deeds".
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 22 May 2021 10: 10
      +1
      Yeah, let this pilot continue to fly on the 21st.
      ... and where there to fly !!!! ... I remember there is a kingdom of the state inside Argentina, they bought a gun and there is no way to shoot, where you will not hit the adjacent territory ... and here ... in general aviation ... ... used drones and that's all
      1. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 22 May 2021 10: 15
        +8
        Croatia is in NATO, and this is practically a common airspace. Those. there is where to fly, but why is it Croatia?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 22 May 2021 10: 17
          +1
          just why is Croatia?
          .... so I'm talking about the same thing .. on a fig goat button accordion
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 22 May 2021 09: 49
    +4
    In retirement, man ... the brains of such people return to their place ... of some.
  5. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 22 May 2021 09: 59
    -2
    Rafal is truly one of the best multi-role air superiority fighters and will cover Croatia's needs for several decades. And the purchase price is relatively small 75 million € ($ 91 million) for the plane. For this money, you can buy a new F-16/18, Gripen, F-35, Su-30. In addition to the F-35, they are all inferior to Rafal, but the 5th generation is not available to everyone and the queue is 7 years ahead, i.e. Croatian F-35s would have received them in their Air Force in the 30th year.
    The only question is the cost of operation, the same Gripen will be cheaper.
    In general, the logic of the Harvat Air Force is clear, they received the most affordable quality for the minimum money. They could still save money, but with the loss of opportunities.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 May 2021 10: 08
      +5
      Nobody argues ...... BMW is better than Kia ...... but I drive Kia.
      1. not main
        not main 22 May 2021 21: 56
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Nobody argues ...... BMW is better than Kia ...... but I drive Kia.

        And I'm on a UAZ, and I'm happy!
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 22 May 2021 21: 57
          0
          Who needs to go where ...
          1. not main
            not main 22 May 2021 22: 01
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Who needs to go where ...

            I agree! Although I have not left for the territory of Russia lately.
      2. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 23 May 2021 12: 19
        +2
        well, that's even better question. Kia is a copy-paste of the Japanese car industry, which inherited its reliability and unpretentiousness. It is not for nothing that they are in demand in taxis. But a modern BMW is amno. It goes beautifully, but not for long.
    2. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 23 May 2021 12: 27
      +3
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Rafal is truly one of the best multirole air superiority fighters

      And where did he win this superiority, except in advertising brochures? In order to assert this, it must be confirmed by the experience of real battles with a strong enemy. Do you know that the French also had modern air force and armored troops in 1940, but is it worth reminding after what time they skidded from Dunkirk? And Normandy flew on our YAKs. That's the same. So, comrade, do not disperse in praise ahead of time.
  6. Garm
    Garm 22 May 2021 10: 02
    +4
    A very balanced position. For their eyes, to control their airspace, the Yak-130 in its Italian version (M-346) is enough.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 May 2021 10: 09
      +2
      Rather, in the Chinese version of the L-15 with afterburners
      1. Garm
        Garm 22 May 2021 11: 16
        +3
        Both our and the Chinese version will not be allowed to buy them.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 22 May 2021 11: 52
          +1
          Neither our nor the Chinese have Afar. So they won't use medium-range missiles either.
          1. nks
            nks 23 May 2021 00: 42
            0
            And what is the connection between medium-range missiles and AFAR?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 23 May 2021 06: 54
              0
              The Yak's nose is small in cross-section. The slit antenna won't see far. And Afar can give the desired range
              1. nks
                nks 23 May 2021 10: 09
                0
                1. By itself, AFAR technology does not provide long range
                2. The average range for the URVV is more than the visual range (37 km is considered). For
                The current GRIFO-346 Leonardo radar states:
                Track formation range> 50 NM
                Look-up detection range> 60 NM
                3. In general, if the URVV does not have the necessary illumination (those IR or ARLGSN), then it can generally (the control center may be external) without the presence of an airborne radar (by the way, now the Yak-130 itself is without an airborne radar at all).
                4. In general, Leonardo has already presented the AFAR GRIFO-E, and we are also going to offer the BARS-130 PFAR.
    2. dauria
      dauria 22 May 2021 10: 21
      +2
      For their eyes, to control their airspace, the Yak-130 is enough


      If you observe neutrality and drive away all stray "guests", like Switzerland in World War II, you need something more serious. And if you fight in a bloc, then let the owner take care.
  7. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 22 May 2021 10: 02
    0
    yes, in principle, why does Croatia have armed forces at all, .. firstly, there are only allied states around. secondly, participation in a whipping in the composition of all sorts of Papuans is only expenses without a breaking piece ..... to arm the police to the teeth and it's in the bag .... well, buy a couple of bayraktar ... I'm lying around laughing
  8. Borri
    Borri 22 May 2021 10: 31
    +1
    Controversial argument.
    Does Croatian pilot drive Zaporozhets to bakery?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 22 May 2021 11: 26
      +2
      On a scooter.
  9. isv000
    isv000 22 May 2021 12: 04
    +1
    Why were they lured into NATO - to talk about expediency? Nope! Switch to the standards of the alliance, that is, buy what senior comrades indicate ...
  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 22 May 2021 12: 20
    +1
    Croatia will soon officially confirm the purchase of Rafale multirole fighters

    Well, let them spend the money on these super-expensive jets. As they say, if you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser. Let them walk this path
  11. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 22 May 2021 13: 29
    +1
    In general, it is not clear why, like a palm-sized state sitting behind a NATO fence, such planes? Is that, to support the economy of France))) repair of used "Raphales" + purchase of new ones for the French Air Force.
  12. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 23 May 2021 03: 05
    0
    Nobody is going to ask them.
    Under this Rafali, a loan was imposed on the Croats.
    Only in contrast to the situation when the Russian Federation at the expense of the people forgives loans, Western financial structures will squeeze everything out of them. And not with money - the ECB will print them as much as it wants. Most likely, if the loan is not repaid / overdue, the Croats will have to share something more significant.
    Common practice in the West. Confessions of an Economic Killer is a good book about how Americans are swallowing up the economies of many countries by imposing bad loans.
    PS According to the most conservative estimates, our Motherland has forgiven loans over the past 25 years, in the amount of $ 6000 to $ 9500 per each resident of Russia.
    Our country is kind (people) and rich (behind the six-meter fences of Rublevonikolinozhukovogorskoe highway).
  13. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 23 May 2021 09: 26
    0
    Gripen is ideal for Croatia. I don't know, what for im Rafali
  14. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 23 May 2021 16: 01
    -3
    Some go crazy when they retire.
  15. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 24 May 2021 13: 54
    -1
    After reading the original article, I realized what Croatian racer Ivan Selak meant.
    1) considering that for him the Rafale is the best plane to board. There are problems raised.
    2) The cost of the plane. But what were the alternatives? F16 or Gripen.
    3) Method. And here I can agree. If there are few drivers in Croatia. It makes no sense to send pilots over 35 years old for training. They will come to retire trained. Therefore, you should invest in young drivers. In short, you first need to create the entire infrastructure. Buying a weapon system is easy. The tricky part is to first create a system that supports weapons, namely pilots, technicians, infrastructure, hangars and workshops.