"March of victory" failed: clashes between the Arab population and the police resumed in Jerusalem

Today, after the traditional Friday prayer in the square in front of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, local Muslims wanted to hold a solemn event in solidarity with the Hamas movement. This "victory march" on the Temple Mount failed, as the border police stopped it, using special equipment.

Young Palestinians reacted to this by throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at law enforcement officers. Thus, in Jerusalem, clashes between the Arab population and the police resumed. Soon the Israeli police special forces joined him. Representatives of the Arab population not participating in the conflict were allowed to leave.

The Palestinian press claims that 15 Arabs were injured at the hands of the Israeli security forces. The recent escalation began in much the same way, which eventually led to an outbreak of violence between Israel and the Gaza Strip. Less than a day has passed since the ceasefire in this conflict, which began today at two o'clock in the morning.

Then Israel and Palestine agreed on a ceasefire. Egypt was the initiator of this agreement. The Israeli authorities approved it. Hamas officials said they would abide by the terms of the truce if the Israelis did not violate it.

The first moments are not aimed at the forces of retaliation for those who come to the mosque in the closet with their eyes. pic.twitter.com/564C318Rkc

- AlQastal القسطل (@AlQastalps) May 21, 2021

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[Fitter65]

Today, after the traditional Friday prayer in the square in front of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, local Muslims wanted to ...

Ralno beguiled ... That Muslims, that Christians lead their faith from the Jews. Where are all the main shrines from which the faith was born, what do Christians have, what do Muslims have? Under the control of the Jews !!!

[Maz]

תיעוד: רגע לפני שהתפתחו העימותים בהר הבית, אלפים מתקהלים ברחבת מסגד אל-אקצא וקוראים - "אנחנו אנשי מוחמד דיף"@ SuleimanMas1 pic.twitter.com/dtSbm2oZAP

- כאן חדשות (@kann_news) May 21, 2021

They defeated Hamas, how ... right away, already completely, yeah ...

[Professor]

Quote: Maz

They defeated Hamas, how ... right away, already completely, yeah ...

It's time for you to move from the defeated country to the victorious country.

PS
Has anyone announced victory over Hamas?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: professor

It's time for you to move from the defeated country to the victorious country.

"I am sitting here on my sixteen yards and will sit here!" (from)

[Krasnodar]

So let's drink to everyone!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Krasnodar

So let's drink to everyone!

And a book, green like vitriol? Into the stove?

[Krasnodar]

By no means - future generations of thinkers should know the principles of the Jamahiriya
"Manuscripts do not burn" (c)

[Krasnodar]

By the way - I agree here. The number of missile strikes is increasing, nothing is being done to radically change the situation in favor of preventing the death of the Israeli civilian. In a year, there will be another repeat, only this time with a large number of victims of Israeli civilians and thousands of killed Palestinians, which will cause a negative reaction in the world.

[xorek]

Quote: Maz

They defeated Hamas, how ... right away, already completely, yeah ...

Come on, burn Maz, you know their ins and outs better than anyone else
And then they began to brag again .. Eh Israel, the Arabs taught you a good lesson, whom you ... Will bomb Damascus? Or is the topic not the same?

[Krasnodar]

MAZ head of the IDF General Staff! Saved Tel Aviv during the shelling of the embankment, will save Jerusalem from Hamas!
MAZ King of Israel, alive, alive and existing
Elton John in Britain, and MAZ in Israel - Hurray for MAZ!
Hurray for MAZ!

[xorek]

Quote: Krasnodar

MAZ head of the IDF General Staff! Saved Tel Aviv during the shelling of the embankment, will save Jerusalem from Hamas!
MAZ King of Israel, alive, alive and existing
Elton John in Britain, and MAZ in Israel - Hurray for MAZ!
Hurray for MAZ!

And many of you such Krasnodar gathered here, judging by my minuses ..Good fellows, keep the line! But Hamas still taught you a lesson from your boasting and ambition ..
Look to the future .. Or do you already have someone to evict again?
Is your business in Krasnodar? There are now the Arabs being treated Intensively ..

[Krasnodar]

Oh taught me a lesson, Vitaly, oh taught me a lesson Well, here's a plus from me

Is your business in Krasnodar? There now the Arabs are being treated lol Strongly

They are always treated there We'll have to guide all the suffering in Frankfurt Am Main and North Rhine Westphalia. What have I been doing since the beginning of the pandemic?

[xorek]

Quote: Krasnodar

Oh taught me a lesson, Vitaly, oh taught me a lesson Well, here's a plus from me

Is your business in Krasnodar? There now the Arabs are being treated lol Strongly

They are always treated there We'll have to guide all the suffering in Frankfurt Am Main and North Rhine Westphalia. What have I been doing since the beginning of the pandemic?

Well, you Krasnodar plus from me, for your optimism and humor black ..

[Krasnodar]

Byl, Vitaly, not humor
Instead of Israel in a pandemic, people went to Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and one Moscow Clinic, which I recommend to those who do not want to travel abroad.

[xorek]

Quote: Krasnodar

Byl, Vitaly, not humor
Instead of Israel in a pandemic, people went to Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and one Moscow Clinic, which I recommend to those who do not want to travel abroad.

You will soon be Marshal Krasnodar and I will agree with that, albeit reluctantly! Good luck ..

[Revolver]

Quote: Krasnodar

Elton John in Britain, and in Israel MAZ

Is it you in terms of musical talent or orientation?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Krasnodar

Elton John in Britain, and in Israel MAZ

Is it you in terms of musical talent or orientation?

In the sense of a Star

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Fitter65

Under the control of the Jews !!!

Everything is under their control. Earthquakes and tsunamis, volcanic eruptions and last year's snow.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Fitter65

Both Muslims and Christians lead their faith from the Jews. Where are all the main shrines from which the faith was born, what do Christians have, what do Muslims have? Under the control of the Jews !!!

You should, my dear, practice your theology on the Temple Mount))))))))))
impromptu therefore:

One nerd on the Temple Mount
Shouted - Prophet Mohammed was a Jew! .....

The story about this heresy would be longer,
If only a cretin had a stronger skull ...

[knn54]

Michael Link, UN Special Representative for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, said: "The occupation by Israel on Palestinian lands for more than six decades is the most despicable form of occupation in the world."

[Krasnodar]

Quote: knn54

Michael Link, UN Special Representative for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, said: "The occupation by Israel on Palestinian lands for more than six decades is the most despicable form of occupation in the world."

The most disgusting disgusting! Nelson Mandela also said: Our Freedom is not complete without Freedom of Palыestinian People!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: knn54

UN Special Representative for the Occupied Palestinian Territories Michael Link

1 Michael Link, Bureau Director OSCE on Democratic Institutions and Human Rights 2013-2017 Years.
And he was not a representative in the occupied territories, but made a report without being there at all.
Israel does not cooperate with this organization.
“The Special Rapporteur would like to reiterate that, despite his requests, Israel has not yet granted him access into the Occupied Palestinian Territory. "
He was not there and wrote what he was told and not with this he made his report and conclusion.

2 And here is another conclusion of this organization:
"We call Russia promptly and thoroughly investigate allegations of torture by the national authorities and provide victims with remedies. We also call on Russia to stop abusing its supposedly anti-terrorist and so-called “anti-extremist” legislation against peaceful representatives of religious and ethnic groups. We call on Russia to immediately release all prisoners held for exercising their human rights, including the right to freedom of religion or belief, enshrined in the Russian constitution, international law and, finally, the Helsinki Final Act. "
Next time, check it carefully, and pulling out what you like can be a mess.

[xorek]

"Saved" is called the Jews of Israel, trying to evict Arab families for non-payment of communal apartments from their homes ..
Interestingly there is a count of how many lards have lost fighting and attacking Israel since the beginning of the conflict.?

[sidoroff]

one could ask how much Hamas would save if instead of an ultimatum
and the subsequent shelling of Jerusalem, hired a team of good lawyers to
hearings in the Supreme Court, but one hell of a lot to pay for the restoration of Gaza will be
not they, but Europeans, Americans. ... maybe Qatar will throw it. Iran only pays for weapons.
RF will express concern. The Turks will build a new mosque to replace the destroyed one.

[Shurik70]

Israel's leadership is anyone but idiots
It was all planned that way.
For too long there were no large-scale clashes, the opposition in the country began to gain strength.
So they "accidentally" missed large consignments of missile components, intelligence "accidentally" did not notice that they were being collected and "did not know" where their supplies were stored, Israel itself stepped up in "anti-terrorist" strikes on adjacent territories to stir up hatred. And it remains only to bring a match to this barrel of fuel.
Which was done.
This is how it was intended.

[Barberry25]

Well, if you remember that the Jews, in fact, are engaged in self-seizure of land ..

[Krasnodar]

One and a half - two lard tanks.

[xorek]

Quote: Krasnodar

One and a half - two lard tanks.

I think more .. The USA will reimburse you everything, the diaspora in the Congress is already doing this .. Is that so? And you have not been able to completely eliminate Hamaz .. The houses were blown up, tunnels, etc. And they give a response and protests are already beginning all over the world ..

[Krasnodar]

2 lard is not critical for Israel, the Congress has something to do, without this, and Hamas cannot be completely liquidated - a holy place, good grandmothers who always want to
Therefore, the dialogue with Hamas is like this - the tunnels are worth the bucks, get it! The house is worth the grandmother - net is at home Well, Hamas is responsible - here are those in Tel Aviv for this, cut it harder, but according to our peacekeepers, so that the whole world is tuned in for the poor Palestinians
And the current protests in the world are much smaller than they were in 2014.

[sergo1914]

Turn someone on through the speakers "7:40". Everyone will start dancing and the conflict will end.
PS Don't thank.

[Krasnodar]

Israelis don't know her Melody of Russian Jews.

[Xnumx vis]

Pancake ! The wrong Jew went today ...

Quote: Krasnodar

Israelis don't know her Melody of Russian Jews.

Russian Jew is stronger and more cheerful! eh .... Jews .....

[xorek]

Quote: 30 vis

Pancake ! The wrong Jew went today ..

That's for sure ..

Quote: 30 vis

Russian Jew is stronger and more cheerful! eh .... Jews .....

Israel is holding on to them for now ..

And then I don't know what will happen ..

[sergo1914]

Quote: Krasnodar

Israelis don't know her Melody of Russian Jews.

What? You also say that this is the anthem of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. I do not believe...

[Krasnodar]

Well, they don't know what to do
There are many representatives of different Jewish diasporas living in Israel: Ethiopian, Moroccan, Bukhara (Uzbekistan-Tajikistan), Iraqi, Yemeni, Kurdish, even Afghan, Hindu, Chinese, etc. Each has its own culture - you can't know everything

[sergo1914]

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, they don't know what to do
There are many representatives of different Jewish diasporas living in Israel: Ethiopian, Moroccan, Bukhara (Uzbekistan-Tajikistan), Iraqi, Yemeni, Kurdish, even Afghan, Hindu, Chinese, etc. Each has its own culture - you can't know everything

Come on. So that the Chinese and, moreover, the Indians do not dance "7:40". It's at the genetic level.
Well ... "Vladimirsky Central" for criminals, "Officers, Russians ..." for the military, "Hop, trash can" for teachers.

[Krasnodar]

"There is no other world better" for doctors

[Avior]

In Berlin they know the melody :))), in Bombay they know, but not in Israel? :)

Or so

[Krasnodar]

In Bombay, Hawa Nagila (Jerusalem song of the beginning of the last century), in Berlin, voice acting.

[NF68]

Probably they will never reconcile. Most likely it is very necessary for someone.

[Well done]

Exactly. And this "someone" is constantly training. Interethnic, interreligious strife is their "strong point". But who are these ghouls?

[Atlant-1164]

and it all started like this .. with the prayers and groans of the Jews for help.

[And Us Rat]

This "victory march" on the Temple Mount failed ...

What a "victory", such a march.
The real trouble is in the heads. How many times I have repeated, it is impossible to deal with them humanly, our morality is alien to them, only strength and cruelty are respected.
They were "fought" with 10% of the force, for the sake of "world opinion", and were spared after they had begged for a truce for a week, so as not to spoil relations with the world community. And as soon as they went to a meeting, they took it for weakness, and decided that it was possible to become impudent further.
Sometimes the feeling is that Israel is like an orderly in the ward of a violent madman. You can't beat him hard, drive him out too, the patient regularly throws excrement, and the world condemns, they say he is sick, be more tolerant.
And the patient is like imbibing sticking his fingers into the socket, he gets an electric shock, he howls in pain and again sticks his fingers into the socket.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: And Us Rat

And the patient is like imbibing sticking his fingers into the socket, he gets an electric shock, he howls in pain and again sticks his fingers into the socket.

Many have already discovered that the treatment has begun.
They were fired from their jobs, purchases in their shops were reduced, they groan in Old Akko, that we will do no tourists, hunger therapy will begin, it greatly affects the brain activity.

[mark2]

how they begged for a truce for a week, so as not to spoil relations with the world community.

Some politicians beg for a truce, while others continue to provoke the crowd.
The so-called people, on average, are poorly educated, with difficulty thinking, easily controlled by knowledgeable crowd, zombie local propaganda. This applies to all countries.
The crowd always thinks they are being cheated
These are the costs of capitalist "democracy". And this is normal for this system.
And people will continue to be deceived, because they are happy to be deceived when they are promised heaven on earth, without explaining at whose expense. It is believed that Navalny fought corruption without bringing his investigations to court.
Believe that Grudinin will build socialism under the red banners of the Communist Party, being a billionaire. They believe that Platoshkin will be the best president without leading, at least how much, a large team.
So what's the use of all these formations if they do not teach you to draw the right conclusions.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: mark2

The crowd always thinks they are being cheated

Well, that's the only thing the crowd just isn't wrong about

[flicker]

But what about: peace, friendship, chewing gum?

[Professor]

Then Israel and Palestine agreed on a ceasefire.

Not Palestine, but Hamas. OOP sat quietly.

[xorek]

Quote: professor

Then Israel and Palestine agreed on a ceasefire.

Not Palestine, but Hamas. OOP sat quietly.

Lebanon also sat quietly and Iran and Turkey, etc. ? You professor Mossad manual change too .. Something has changed all the same! And Israel requested a truce? It is something ..

[Krasnodar]

Hamas asked for a truce 9 days ago, and Bibik bargained with Biden for each additional day of the war - the ultra-left Democratic congressmen pressed on grandfather with its urgent termination Vitaly, do you support the ultra-left American Democrats? Do you feel guilty to African Americans for your privileged white position? Are you in favor of ending the Israeli occupation and bombing of Gaza? The rights of sexual minorities? Freedom for Palestine? Same sex marriage?

[Okolotochny]

Albert, hello. Another 10-15 years and they will flatten Israel. Look at Europe? Their sports teams? Germany, France, England? Is Islamization going on there? And they kneel down. This is IMHO of course, but I think the scenario is as follows. When famous media personalities are against you. The states have already started quietly.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: xorek

Lebanon also sat quiet and Iran

The Shiites of Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon really do not like the Sunnis Hamas in Gaza (similarly, they do not like them either), moreover, Hamas militants were seen on the side of the anti-government forces in Syria, who were opposed by the troops of Assad and Hezbollah. When Israel bombs Hamas, Hezbollah sits quietly, when Hezbollah fights, Hamas does not intervene either. Well, Israel plays into its hands, if the rockets fly from both Gaza and Lebanon, no Iron Dome will survive. It is not for nothing that Israel is now not bombing Syria and flying over Lebanon.

[Revolver]

Quote: professor

Then Israel and Palestine agreed on a ceasefire.

Not Palestine, but Hamas. OOP sat quietly.

Finally, Hamas believes that they are Palestine, and not Abu Mazen.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Slipper 2

In fact, Jews and fascists have the same ideology, we are the best, we are the chosen ones

For the fascists, the state prevails over the nation and society, society over the individual.
The Nazis have the nation over the state, considering the latter as an instrument for its well-being.
And for the Jews - the rights of the individual are higher than the interests of society, the welfare of society is higher than the interests of the state.
The materiel would have learned a little

[stone]

She cannot teach, Well, she has nothing.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Slipper 2

In fact, Jews and fascists have the same ideology, we are the best, we are the chosen ones

And great-power chauvinism is not "we are the best, we are the chosen ones"? And, for example, jingoism?

[And Us Rat]

And great-power chauvinism ...

In every second commentary on VO and by no means Israelis. But I understand, a speck in someone else's eye is more interesting than a log in his own.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: And Us Rat

In every second commentary on VO and by no means Israelis. But I understand, a speck in someone else's eye is more interesting than a log in his own.

So the chosen ones can, you need to understand

[prior]

Only the creation of a Middle East multinational multi-confessional state in the likeness of the USSR will establish peace on this earth.
The slogan "Palestinians and Jews - brothers forever" to life.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: prior

A Middle East multinational multiconfessional state similar to the USSR will establish peace on this earth.

And confidently, with leaps and bounds, he will go where the USSR went, but much faster.

[prior]

I did not say anything about socialism, and interethnic and religious conflicts in the USSR were nipped in the bud. By the way, only thieves, enemies and fools do not regret the destruction of the USSR.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: prior

interethnic and religious conflicts in the USSR were nipped in the bud.

Shooting and prison. This is not the case. The world community will not allow that something like this is possible today in totalitarian countries.
And the question is not ethnically or even religious, although it is covered by religion.
This is Iran's desire to revive the Persian Empire and Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis are their satellites, carrying out its policy on the ground.

[Shahno]

Quote: Maz

תיעוד: רגע לפני שהתפתחו העימותים בהר הבית, אלפים מתקהלים ברחבת מסגד אל-אקצא וקוראים - "אנחנו אנשי מוחמד דיף"@ SuleimanMas1 pic.twitter.com/dtSbm2oZAP

- כאן חדשות (@kann_news) May 21, 2021

They defeated Hamas, how ... right away, already completely, yeah ...

Who are they? Tsakhal forced terrorists to peace .. Are you a supporter of inciting ethnic hatred between citizens of the state? And who, in your opinion, won? Answer the last two questions, if not difficult.

[g1v2]

The next elections will show who won. Will Netanyahu be able to break the coalition created against him and stay in power. Hamas is still the winner on points anyway. They have demonstrated that they are the ones who can respond to Israel by force and score points in front of Fatah. If Netanyahu is sitting still, then he is a winner. Well, no one really counts the dead.

[Revolver]

Quote: g1v2

Hamas is still the winner on points anyway.

Count the corpses and destruction on each side before declaring the winner.

[g1v2]

Are they interesting to someone? In fact? Hamas will recruit even more fighters among people whose relatives have been killed by Israeli strikes. Do you think the relatives of the deceased children are not ready to sacrifice themselves in order to get at least one Israeli in any way? Hamas will restore everything destroyed with money from Qatar and Turkey. The Israeli Air Force did not manage to get the missile production and warehouses. Therefore, rockets and missiles riveted, and will continue to accumulate. Plus Hamas has gained valuable experience and data on the Israeli pro. PM they are in the black anyway.
Netanyahu initially could not help but know that his actions would lead to losses among the Israelis. Tch he considers them acceptable for the sake of maintaining power. Therefore, if he retains power, then he also won.

[A. Privalov]

Thousands of people came to pray quietly. At the end of Friday prayers, a bosyachnya came running in and made a storm. They threw stones and Molotov cocktails at police officers, shouted insults at them and attacked them. They tried to break through to the site above the Wailing Wall, where hundreds of praying Jews are below.

The Jerusalem District Police Chief Colonel Doron Turjeman ordered the police to disperse the crowd.

As of 17:30, the police have detained 16 suspects of disturbing public order: 12 on the Temple Mount, six in different parts of East Jerusalem.

Chains, bats, bottles with flammable liquids were seized from the detainees.

[Shahno]

Quote: g1v2

The next elections will show who won. Will Netanyahu be able to break the coalition created against him and stay in power. Hamas is still the winner on points anyway. They have demonstrated that they are the ones who can respond to Israel by force and score points in front of Fatah. If Netanyahu is sitting still, then he is a winner. Well, no one really counts the dead.

# Hamas is still the winner on points anyway. #
Okay. What is the name of an armed response to disagreement with the internal policy of another state?
Ps. As for Netanyahu .. A skillful and calculating politician, he counts several moves farther than all competitors ..

[g1v2]

Well, you do not mind that the terrible and terrible Israeli intelligence was unable to prevent the victory in the concentration camp of the most aggressive and hostile group. Failed to prevent the production of thousands of missiles and missiles on a tiny patch of land. The supermega army was unable to locate the storage and production sites of missiles, launch sites, etc. and destroy them before launch? Does it ever strike you to think? How can this be? Maybe your wise and calculating politician and the establishment generally benefit from having such an instrument of intimidation for their own population? For the sake of its political goals, to arrange a public eviction of Palestinians from the houses in which they have lived for more than 70 years and to arrange a pogrom in the area of ​​a mosque holy for Muslims, and a predictable response is obtained in the form of rocket launches. Like no one thought there would be such an answer? Seriously? Who benefits from it?
It looks like Netanyahu has achieved his goal, judging by your words. A pile of innocent corpses on both sides, a pile of destruction, but he has shown himself to be macho and will still be able, if not to form his government now, then after the next elections for sure. Damn, I never thought Jews were so easy to rule.

[vl903]

I understand correctly, a hundred years ago, local Jews lived more or less normally with the Arabs, until the creation of Israel began? Then for the Arabs, oh
the Jews who arrived will always be the occupants, do not care what was 3 thousand years ago. and then the Arabs are not terrorists but guerrillas?

[I'm walking by]

I could say a lot, but I will only say two things. First, before the Arab-Israeli conflict there was no Arab state and, moreover, the Palestinians invented by the propagandists, these were the lands of the Ottoman Empire, and the population was mixed of Jews, Arabs, Druze, Armenians, etc. if the Arabs do not care what was 3000 years ago, but do not care what was 1200 - this is purely their problem. Well, the main difference between a partisan and a terrorist is that the first blows up a military convoy, and the second leaves a bomb in a bus full of passengers.

[vl903]

Quote: I'm going by

I could say a lot, but I will only say two things. First, before the Arab-Israeli conflict there was no Arab state and, moreover, the Palestinians invented by the propagandists, these were the lands of the Ottoman Empire, and the population was mixed of Jews, Arabs, Druze, Armenians, etc. if the Arabs do not care what was 3000 years ago, but do not care what was 1200 - this is purely their problem. Well, the main difference between a partisan and a terrorist is that the first blows up a military convoy, and the second leaves a bomb in a bus full of passengers.

Yes, I'm just about the fact that this song will not be eternal, of course, but long. there is fuel for this fire, and there will always be enough people willing to set it on fire. about military convoys, they are blown up by military saboteurs, and the partisan hates the enemy but realizes that he cannot fight on equal terms, and therefore blows up the military and policemen and all who sympathize and help. and the peaceful enemy of the enemy is a sacred goal for the partisan, since the enemy kills the partisans and the peaceful partisans so that the enemy peacekeeper would live better. here or the degree of hatred to reduce, or until someone destroys whom.

[dauria]

and the second leaves a bomb in a bus full of passengers.

And the third drops an atomic bomb on Hiroshima. All by order, all in the military organizations of the belligerent countries.
Do not play around. "Partisan or terrorist" depends only on the side from which you look.

[Iris]

"Partisan or terrorist" depends only on the side from which you look.

No, it doesn't. Jewish Self-Defense Units and underground organizations that operated before the establishment of the State of Israel confronted the Arab rioters and fought the British, who issued their "White Paper" (quotas for the entry of Jews) on the eve of the war.
There was not a single terrorist attack in a cafe, on a train, or in general against innocent people.
Arab terrorists primarily kill civilians, blowing up buses, cafes, shops, crushing people at bus stops and attacking passers-by.
What the hell are partisans ?! Bandits deprived of basic human norms.

The bomb is no sideways here.

[dauria]

What the hell are partisans ?! Bandits deprived of basic human norms.

Bandits on your side ... Did you ask the Arabs? For them, they are fighters and heroes. Well I wrote that, it's the same thing, it depends where they look from, from which country. And stop dissembling - there is no civilian population in a war, there is a human resource of the enemy.

The bomb is no sideways here.

What, it became sick?
When you wash off the tinsel and the military gloss "duty, order", the result is the same. What is from an Arab, what is from a Jew in uniform — the guts of people on the asphalt.
Fight, sometimes it is necessary. Only it is not worth ennobling it.

[Iris]

I am Russian, Russian. This, strictly speaking, is not my side.
But I accept your term - yes, my sympathies are with the Israelis, who just want to live peacefully on their land.
Arabs in Israel are different. Arabs-Christians (live mainly in Nazareth) live in peace, work, serve in the army. Have you heard anything about the riots in Nazareth? No, because they were not there in principle.
Muslim Arabs, citizens of Israel, are happy to wave Palestinian rags, throw stones, arrange a procession and even riot. But if you try to offer them to move to Gaza or the Territory, they would rather agree to the destruction of their homes than to move. Because the house can be rebuilt, and from under the rule of a thoroughly corrupt government, from unemployment and lawlessness, you will not escape anywhere.
As for the Arabs of Gaza, those of them who do not occupy administrative posts and are not employed in the structures of Hamas are doomed people. Because Gaza is probably the only place on the planet where the main "state" source of income is terrorism. As in other countries money is "sawed" for construction, science, culture, so they saw money for the creation of the infrastructure of terror and payments to the families of martyrs. This is a business on the blood of its own citizens, in the truest sense of the word.

I will say more. If the Israelis return to Gaza, finally exhausting their patience, Hamas will end almost immediately. As soon as the residents of Gaza understand that the Israelis have come in earnest and for a long time, the Hamasites will be handed over to the Israelis with giblets. For the most part anonymously, but when openly, and in some cases, they can handle it themselves. Hamas knows this, and is afraid of it like fire, so it is always the FIRST to ask for a truce.

Well, as for the status of the civilian population, that is, the so-called. "Laws and customs of war" - a set of rules governing the actions of the ARMY structures in relation to the civilian population; it was the violation of these rules that became the basis for the accusation of the Nazis in Nuremberg.

[dauria]

yes, my sympathy with the Israelis

And someone is on the side of the Arabs. That's the end of the guerrilla-terrorist dispute. Choose any name - both are correct.
As a spy - a scout.

[Iris]

any name is both correct.
As a spy - a scout.

I understand your logic. In the general case, there is a healthy grain in it.
But the fact of the matter is that our case is not "general" ..
When I was last in Israel, at the central bus station in the city of Afula, I noticed an obelisk - a metal hand on a stone pedestal gripping a driver's wheel.
The locals explained what kind of monument it was - a young Security worker who is supposed to check everyone passing into the station, distracted, during these moments a suicide bomber with a belt went to the bus station.
The martyr approached a bus that had just arrived, and when the driver opened the doors, he jumped into the cabin and pulled the check.
The bus was full of children - we came on a tour ...

Do you, at least in theory, imagine something like that on the part of the soldiers of the Israeli army?
And let's really end this debate. It is very difficult to stay within the boundaries of the normative vocabulary, reading the word "partisan" as a definition of these geeks.

[vl903]

Bomb here no sideways

you are not right. the Hiroshima bomb is just the litmus test of terrorism. albeit made by people in uniform. it was used unnecessarily, for the sake of political gain, without looking back not only at the peacekeepers, but also at the American prisoners of war. so it is with the partisans. if kind rich people come to us, with the most modern weapons, the support of the most powerful country and say that they lived here 10 thousand years ago, will I have to play by their rules? pity their families and only shoot the military?

[Iris]

I, as you might have noticed after reading the previous comments, I clearly separated the concept of a terrorist attack from a war crime.
Hiroshima, if you are so interested in it 80 years later, is a pure war crime, since the order issued by the US Civil Code was not approved by Congress, was not strategically justified, and affected the fate of civilians.

[Iris]

will I have to play by their rules? pity their families and only shoot the military?

Yes, absolutely. Otherwise, you are a baby. Of course, we speak in the subjunctive mood.

[vl903]

Since in this discussion we are trying to understand the reasons for the bloodshed in the gas and are looking for ways to end it, then I have no complaints against you, either according to your understanding of the difference between a war crime and terror, or to the fact that, in your opinion, I am a miscarriage. You have such an opinion and I respect him. But I suppose, and history confirms this, that there were very few wars by the rules. and they were then when the rules were needed for both sides. A partisan is a person who has decided to fight the enemy to his death. usually after the loss of loved ones. And you will not convince him that you need to feel sorry for the wives and mothers of those who killed his relatives, their children, who will grow up and will kill his relatives further. to stop this, you probably need to: 1- remove external influence (for example, the Soviet Afghan- the influence of the CIA and Pakistan) 2- make the local population feel that with the new government the local will live much better. Israel will probably have problems with the second point: since 1947, have the local Arabs increased their purity, without taking into account the influx of migrants?

[Iris]

I specifically made a reservation - "we speak in the subjunctive mood."
I do not consider you capable of killing women and children, which is why I noticed - "in a similar case."
Tell me honestly, do you think our partisans are capable of undermining the peacekeepers, knowing in advance that the enemy cannot be there? ..
Maybe TV stereotypes speak in me, but I'm not capable.

Well, as for the last part of your comment, according to the words "probably needed", it shows your inner impartiality, analytical mind and desire to sincerely understand what is happening.

[Alex Justice]

Jews are the same Arabs, only of a different faith.

[Paranoid50]

Where are all the main shrines from which faith was born,

And the fanatic went to the obscurantist ...

[Gunther]

Quote: AlQastalp

... local Muslims wanted to hold a solemn event in solidarity with the Hamas movement ... 15 Arabs were injured at the hands of the Israeli security forces.

if the Israeli radicals do not stop the pogroms of the Semitic minority (Semitic Muslims), then the response from Hamas will not be long in coming.

[Slipper 2]

tilibom-bom-bom, the Jews burned
It's no wonder when the hole is driving you

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

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"King of the Hill" is an Israeli national amusement ...
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[Synoid]

Again, Israel did not keep its word, however, as always.
Stopping a peaceful march is so democratic, especially with special forces.

[Iris]

Stopping a peaceful march is so democratic, especially with special forces.

Very peaceful, of course - with stones and Molotov cocktails. It couldn't be more peaceful.
It would be interesting to look at, for example, a hundred or two Crimean Tatars, who with stones, Molotov cocktails and independent flags would come to the same "peaceful march" to the Kremlin.

[Shahno]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: Maz

During the 2014 war, three civilians - two Israelis and one worker from Thailand - were killed in 50 days of rocket attacks in Israel. In 11 days of Operation Wall Guardian, 11 women, children, old people were killed by rocket and mortar attacks in Israel.
foreign workers and other civilians.

YOUR LIE FOR UKRAINE, BUT WILL NOT WORK IN ISRAEL!
During the 2014 war operation for 50 days rocket attacks on Israel were fired 3686 missiles
During the 2021 war operation for 11 days rocket attacks on Israel were fired 4360 missiles
AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME "TRUTH"

That's what I thought, if there was no character "Maz", he would have to be invented.

[Iris]

That's what I thought, if there was no character "Maz", he would have to be invented.

Shit is not a creative consistency.

[Shahno]

Quote: Iris

I am Russian, Russian. This, strictly speaking, is not my side.
But I accept your term - yes, my sympathies are with the Israelis, who just want to live peacefully on their land.
Arabs in Israel are different. Arabs-Christians (live mainly in Nazareth) live in peace, work, serve in the army. Have you heard anything about the riots in Nazareth? No, because they were not there in principle.
Muslim Arabs, citizens of Israel, are happy to wave Palestinian rags, throw stones, arrange a procession and even riot. But if you try to offer them to move to Gaza or the Territory, they would rather agree to the destruction of their homes than to move. Because the house can be rebuilt, and from under the rule of a thoroughly corrupt government, from unemployment and lawlessness, you will not escape anywhere.
As for the Arabs of Gaza, those of them who do not occupy administrative posts and are not employed in the structures of Hamas are doomed people. Because Gaza is probably the only place on the planet where the main "state" source of income is terrorism. As in other countries money is "sawed" for construction, science, culture, so they saw money for the creation of the infrastructure of terror and payments to the families of martyrs. This is a business on the blood of its own citizens, in the truest sense of the word.

I will say more. If the Israelis return to Gaza, finally exhausting their patience, Hamas will end almost immediately. As soon as the residents of Gaza understand that the Israelis have come in earnest and for a long time, the Hamasites will be handed over to the Israelis with giblets. For the most part anonymously, but when openly, and in some cases, they can handle it themselves. Hamas knows this, and is afraid of it like fire, so it is always the FIRST to ask for a truce.

Well, as for the status of the civilian population, that is, the so-called. "Laws and customs of war" - a set of rules governing the actions of the ARMY structures in relation to the civilian population; it was the violation of these rules that became the basis for the accusation of the Nazis in Nuremberg.

I would even suggest that Egypt, Kuwait and the UAE take them back and grant them citizenship. Not a bad solution for the Palestinians ... ahh infected what they are Palestinians, ordinary Arab radical Islamists. And inside Israel, they also conduct anti-state separatist activities.

[Iris]

I turned to our distinguished colleague with a question about the relevance of Rehavam Zeevi's ideas today.
In order not to quote a personal message, I can only say that the general meaning of the annotation fits within the phrase "the most right will give out, and the left will devour with shit."
This situation worries me very much, infuriates me, and occupies at the same time. It is possible that I will speak out on this topic.

[Wladimir134]

What has Israel done to you. In Israel, for example, any of our governors would have worn a striped robe. And in Israel, the state helps its citizens. It does not take away the latter. We still need to learn from them and not vilify