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Israel versus Palestine: tactical victory, strategic defeat

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The new conflict in the Middle East is an extremely interesting topic for analyzing the strategic situation.


We are all accustomed to looking at the blazing fire of the Arab-Israeli confrontation from an ordinary, boring and understandable position. Here we see the adamant Israel, full of military-technical power, and here are all sorts of paramilitary groups from Lebanon and Palestine, which are suitable only for senseless launches of homemade missiles.

The author of this text has no sympathy or prejudice in relation to one or another side of the conflict. Below you will be presented with a non-standard and controversial view of the "Palestinian question", showing that the situation there is by no means as unambiguous as we are accustomed to perceive.

It would be worth starting this material with the fact that Palestinian militants are extremely often presented by the media as savages, fanatics and suicides.

But this is delusion - and deliberate misinformation.

For clarity, imagine a city slightly smaller than the Ural Magnitogorsk, which is crowded with two million people.

This city is blocked from land and sea. All telephone networks are tapped by the enemy. Most of the incoming cargo is inspected. The territory is controlled by satellites, unmanned aerial vehicles, means of electronic intelligence, the situation is monitored by thousands of analysts, there are enemy informers and agents on it.

In these conditions, you need to assemble an organization from nothing with a military potential, which will be enough to plunge your enemy into chaos.

Now you are starting to understand the conditions under which the Palestinians work, aren't you?

But with all the introductory notes listed, they need to mobilize tens of thousands of people, skillfully conducting their work for years and keeping it in complete secrecy.

Organizing resistance requires looking for more than just random people - it needs the best of the best. We need engineers, skilled workers, programmers, builders and, in the end, just executive cadres with a good level of intelligence.

Now think carefully about how difficult it is to carry out such recruiting in conditions of full monitoring by the enemy of the same cellular communication and the Internet.


Israel and its allies are restricting the import of even building materials into Gaza - there is no talk of any dual-use technologies. We need truly miracles of resourcefulness in order to purchase and deliver in commercial quantities reinforced concrete, communications equipment, metal-cutting machines, steel, components for explosives, tactical equipment, optics, computers, fire control devices and hundreds of other vital resources.

In the face of constant opposition and intelligence activities of the enemy, you need to dig kilometers of underground structures, without attracting attention. We need technology, people, tools.

It is required to take out cubic meters of land in conditions when Gaza is practically transparent for optical reconnaissance means.

I will not even mention the production of "primitive missiles" - any production in such an environment is in itself a feat, while the Palestinians make thousands of them. This is the import and delivery of machine tools and materials, and the search for qualified personnel, and the training of workers, and storage in complete secrecy.

This is not the work of fanatics and fools. This is a high-class activity of highly motivated professionals who challenge one of the best military vehicles in modern stories.

So the numerous racist texts that ridicule the Palestinians have nothing to do with reality. By the way, in terms of literacy, education and its social structure, Palestinian society is one of the most modernized in the Arab world.

"Post-heroic" Israel


Unfortunately, the Israeli military operations in recent years have been extremely poorly analyzed from the point of view of the universal logic of strategy. And this, we must admit, is a big omission.

It is so at least because the Lebanese and Palestinians have achieved one extremely important task over the years. They contributed to the transformation of the Israeli army into a typical "post-heroic" army of the XNUMXst century.

Having actively provoked Israel into military operations over the past two decades, the Palestinians and Lebanese have shaped its internal political agenda over and over again. This, in turn, turned the basic idea of ​​Israeli society "the life of every Jew is important" into a dangerous poison that hit the country's military machine.

Israel versus Palestine: tactical victory, strategic defeat

Despite relatively low combat losses, military operations turned into internal political failures (like, for example, the second Lebanese war) - Israeli society simply refused to take casualties among soldiers for granted. Violent criticism fell on politicians and the highest military circles, provoking a series of resignations and changes.

Israeli propaganda, which is actively trying to present opponents as dull-witted terrorists and murderers, has also played a detrimental role. In this case, society simply does not understand why the glorious Israeli soldiers die at the hands of such an insignificant enemy. And the people's anger finds a way out in criticizing their own authorities.

This is a natural process for post-industrial societies (including the USSR during the war in Afghanistan). Even increased militarization and constant indoctrination cannot save it: the population simply ceases to adequately perceive the idea that death in war is natural.

Israeli politicians and high-ranking military personnel, in turn, have successfully adjusted to the political agenda - none of them naturally wants to leave high positions.

This is how the "post-heroic" type of thinking came to Israel - and the desire of the society to win the war without sacrifices.

Year after year, this has led to the transformation of the IDF's strategy of action. Tank units and brigades of paratroopers appeared less and less on the battlefield - they were replaced by contactless war. In the current conflict, we can observe an almost complete absence of actions even by combat helicopters and commando squads (which were previously actively used to destroy launchers).

All this is a consequence of the desire to avoid even minimal military losses.

Of course, many will naturally object - after all, high-precision weapon so effective, why bother sending soldiers at all? This is a fair observation, but only partly true.

The strategic incident of this issue is that bombing and high-precision weapon strikes by themselves cannot compel the enemy to surrender. They are effective only and exclusively if you need to destroy any specific resources of the enemy - but they are not able to ensure victory by themselves.

As you probably already noticed, despite the fact that Israel has been pouring thousands of tons of steel and explosives on Lebanon and Palestine for several years, they still have not surrendered. Yes, the Israelis can achieve any tactical success, but strategically they are not capable of breaking Hamas or Hezbollah.

This requires a full-scale ground operation and the accompanying losses - but for Israel this is simply unacceptable.

In turn, these factors are pushing the Israeli military to use the tactics of air terror. Under normal conditions, bombing is a slow and painful process of detecting, selecting and destroying one target after another. However, Israel does not exchange for such sentiments, inflicting arbitrary strikes, including against the civilian population. He does not use carpet bombing tactics solely for reasons of prestige, which, however, is already too tarnished in the eyes of the world community.

Air terror naturally discredits Israelis, actively shaping pro-Palestinian sentiments even in the United States. The highest political echelons of the authorities of the countries historically allied with Tel Aviv still continue to support him by inertia. However, its existence is being called into question in the face of a vibrant anti-Israeli public agenda.

On this issue, one should also pay tribute to the uncomplicated political technologies of the Palestinians and Lebanese, who are successfully using the enemy's excessive power against himself.

It is worth noting separately a very remarkable and crude Israeli information provocation associated with the use of allegedly Palestinian accounts on social networks, which glorify "Hitler's righteousness."

This is nothing more than evidence of the complete failure of Israel in the information war.

The Iron Dome and the Paradoxes of Strategy


War is often presented to the audience in an extremely deceptive form: it seems simple, understandable and logical, while in fact it is a set of paradoxes.

The confrontation between Israel and Palestine is one of the clearest examples of a paradoxical logical strategy in the modern world.

Earlier we have already spoken about one of such incidents: the Israeli army, which for decades has been preparing for a war with an enemy superior to it, is unable to conduct an operation against the Palestinian paramilitary forces, which are many times inferior to it.

This, in turn, gives rise to another paradox - Israel, as a stronger party, is forced to defend itself. And this is a separate issue that requires detailed consideration.

The best defense of Lebanon and Palestine was the Israeli ideological setting about the value of the life of every Jew. On the one hand, such a thesis requires preventive elimination of the threat. On the other hand, on the contrary, it drives Israel into the framework of a deep defense - after all, a preemptive strike will irreversibly incur losses.

Under these conditions, the experience of previous years turns out to be powerless - if in the 60s and 70s the Israelis faced inevitable destruction, which mobilized their nation to fight, now they do not see such a threat due to their own strength. This, by the way, is another strategic paradox: Israel's excessive military-political power helps to reduce the psychological mobilization of its population and leadership.

Thus, the Jewish state faces a typical choice for any "post-heroic" country - on the one hand, it is necessary to fight, but how to do it if you are suffering losses?

And, of course, he gets an equally typical answer - advanced military technologies are required.

As many have already noted, the web is literally torn apart by enthusiastic descriptions of the work of the "Iron Dome" and the Israeli aviation... This is a great example of "post-heroic" means of warfare. A missile defense system, designed to protect infrastructure from outside attacks, and carriers of high-precision weapons capable of destroying the enemy without "civilian casualties."


I have no desire to speculate about the effectiveness of the Iron Dome. Associated with this system are other, more important aspects that are directly related to strategy.

After the Lebanese campaign of 2008 (it was the losses incurred in it that put an end to the IDF's ability to wage contact wars) Israel began developing the Iron Dome. The reason for this was the rocket and artillery shelling of Hezbollah - perhaps not as effective as effective. At that time, they were conducted using extremely primitive means - sometimes they were Soviet BM-13s from the Second World War.

The appearance of the "Iron Dome" removed the heavy burden of responsibility from the military-political leadership of Israel - now they could conduct a "high-precision defensive war", which, in turn, made it possible to maneuver in avoiding any contact battles (this is especially clearly observed today, when Israel is deploying more and more missile defense batteries, while evading a ground invasion, which, undoubtedly, would be much more effective).

In turn, the Iron Dome created a new strategic paradox. Spawned by the concept of "an interceptor missile, despite its price, is cheaper than the object it protects," this system created a situation in which Israel began to suffer huge financial losses, regardless of the success of its opponents.

The bottom line is the following: the estimated price of the Tamir interceptor missile is at least $ 100. There is a wealth of data providing smaller numbers. However, they do not seem reliable, given the complexity of the technology used (air defense and missile defense systems, in general, are almost the most expensive military technologies and only combat aviation can compete with them in this matter).

The estimated cost of the most expensive unguided munitions used by the Palestinians is hardly more than 2–3 thousand dollars.

The logic is simple - now every Palestinian missile, even without hitting a target, can inflict certain economic damage on Israel. If we take into account the fact that sometimes 2 interceptor missiles are required for a successful interception, and the total mass of missile salvos from Palestine, then by simple calculations we will understand that Israel is literally shooting gold across the sky. Every day, the Iron Dome destroys millions of dollars on its own, fully justifying the economic component of launching Palestinian missiles (approximately over the past 8 days, Israel has spent from 120 to 140 million dollars only on the operation of the Iron Dome system).

The more effectively the Iron Dome works, the more it justifies the strategic importance of launching Palestinian missiles, which were able to inflict economic damage on the enemy without being hit.

But you know perfectly well that the Iron Dome is technically unable to intercept everything, right?

The very fact of the de facto missile defense system has led to the fact that the Palestinian and Lebanese groups began to produce even more missiles with significantly improved combat characteristics - accordingly, the need to intercept them has sharply increased.


As a result, we get a vicious circle of strategic paradox: Palestinian missiles are effective regardless of the results of hits, and Israel is consistently suffering losses in a war with an enemy that is inferior to it in absolutely all respects.

If we add to the cost of the work of the "Iron Dome" the cost of high-precision weapons spent by Israel (where the account is close to the border of 600-700 million dollars, no less), the cost of maintaining combat and reconnaissance aircraft (a flight hour of a light F-16I fighter costs 22,5 thousands of dollars, and Israel daily raises dozens of aircraft into the air, including heavy fighters - it is also worth noting the increased consumption of the engine and airframe resource, which will subsequently require additional spending), spending on providing reservists, spent artillery shells, damage caused by pogroms and the hits of missiles that broke through the defenses, insurance payments and compensations, the work of warships and many other factors, it will become clear that in just a few days of the war Israel lost several billion dollars, having achieved absolutely nothing but local tactical successes.

On the contrary, the significantly less costly Palestinian activities have a pronounced strategic impact. And although they cannot break Israel, this leads to consequences of a different kind, for which Tel Aviv is not at all ready.

First, as mentioned earlier, it has a completely insane media effect.

Israeli propaganda is powerless against the many sympathies that arise in relation to Palestine. If earlier such were the lot of ultra-left marginals, now the focus is shifting towards the “politicized majority”. This effect will still manifest itself in all its glory in the following years, when, under pressure from the public, Israel begins to lose its "support group."

Second, the Palestinian crisis attracts a number of ambitious and extremely unfriendly players to the interests of the Jewish state. Naturally, this is deadly for Tel Aviv, which certainly does not want to become a bargaining chip in the game of superpowers.

In fact, this is an example of how dangerous forceful methods of resolving long-term conflicts are. Israel, lulled by the power of its military machine, has driven itself into a strategy trap with its own hands: any of its actions, regardless of their effectiveness, have a positive effect exclusively on the position of Tel Aviv's opponents.
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  1. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2021 12: 21
    +27
    Finally, analytical articles began to appear on VO. We can agree with many things.
    1. credo
      credo 26 May 2021 12: 34
      -4
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      Finally, analytical articles began to appear on VO. We can agree with many things.

      For example, with what?
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 26 May 2021 12: 36
        +16
        We can completely agree with the conclusions. If you disagree, write counterarguments
        1. credo
          credo 26 May 2021 12: 47
          0
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          We can completely agree with the conclusions. If you disagree, write counterarguments

          The fact of the matter is that there are no conclusions, except for the calculation of Israel's "losses" from the use of precision weapons. Purely speculative conclusions are not supported by anything.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 27 May 2021 08: 53
            +1
            Quote: credo
            The fact of the matter is that there are no conclusions, except for the calculation of Israel's "losses" from the use of precision weapons

            The created infrastructure of resistance is quite robotic for years to come
        2. gorf1
          gorf1 30 May 2021 00: 13
          +1
          The author contradicts himself. First, he writes that Israel is committing air terror and carpet bombing, and just below that Israeli aviation is using precision weapons worth hundreds of millions.

          About how brilliant Palestinians were able to collect so many missiles. The answer is simple: for 7 years Israel honestly observed the truce, so they brought in missiles from Egypt (the border is open there).

          About not wanting to seize Gaza - why? Israel cannot expel millions to Idlib or abroad by the method of Assad. And rocket attacks every 5-7 years from which only a few people die are a much lesser evil than the control of 2 million useless hostile enclave.

          So far, all that the Palestinians can do is push for pity. If they go too far, they will instantly seize and clean up, as they did in the West Bank after the wave of suicide attacks.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 26 May 2021 12: 56
        +14
        For example, with what?

        With a lot. The author tried to write a completely competent article. I don’t want to point out a number of serious shortcomings, such as the work of UNRA in Gaza, but in principle he highlighted a lot of things correctly.
        1. credo
          credo 26 May 2021 12: 59
          -4
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The appearance of the "Iron Dome" removed the heavy burden of responsibility from the military-political leadership of Israel - now they could conduct a "high-precision defensive war", which, in turn, made it possible to maneuver in avoiding any contact battles (this is especially clearly observed today, when Israel is deploying more and more missile defense batteries, while evading a ground invasion, which, undoubtedly, would be much more effective).


          How about this conclusion?
          "... The appearance of the" Iron Dome "removed the heavy burden of responsibility from the military-political leadership of Israel - now they could conduct a" high-precision defensive war ", which, in turn, made it possible to maneuver in avoiding any contact battles (this is especially clearly observed today when Israel is deploying more and more missile defense batteries, while evading a ground invasion, which would undoubtedly be much more effective) ... "
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 26 May 2021 13: 08
            +11
            Quote: credo

            How about this conclusion?
            "... The appearance of the" Iron Dome "removed the heavy burden of responsibility from the military-political leadership of Israel - now they could conduct a" high-precision defensive war ", which, in turn, made it possible to maneuver in avoiding any contact battles (this is especially clearly observed today when Israel is deploying more and more missile defense batteries, while evading a ground invasion, which would undoubtedly be much more effective) ... "

            The author is right from a military point of view. But he is mistaken in the political and economic. The re-occupation of Gaza, not to mention the large losses among our military and civilian population, would force Israel to bear economic and social responsibility for the population of the sector. This is definitely much more expensive than all the military conflicts with Hamastan.
            1. credo
              credo 26 May 2021 13: 18
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              The author is right from a military point of view. But he is mistaken in the political and economic. The re-occupation of Gaza, not to mention the large losses among our military and civilian population, would force Israel to bear economic and social responsibility for the population of the sector. This is definitely much more expensive than all the military conflicts with Hamastan.

              The fact of the matter is that the Author confuses tactics with strategy, without bothering to look wider and further in the event of an Israeli ground operation in Gaza.

              Everything that the Author of the article puts as a plus for the Palestinians, in particular in the media plan (which I'm not entirely sure about), could be safely multiplied several times for the Palestinians if Israel launched an overland invasion of Palestinian territory.
            2. Professor
              Professor 26 May 2021 19: 25
              -1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              The author is right from a military point of view.

              What is he right about? request

              In 7 minutes the army radio will broadcast "Security Zone" with Tali Lipkin-Shahak. These issues will be discussed there, plus the future of Heil Avira. The guests are not Yasha Kazakov. For example, there will be Giora Island. That's where analytics comes in. good
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 26 May 2021 19: 36
                +6
                Quote: Professor
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                The author is right from a military point of view.

                What is he right about? request

                In 7 minutes the army radio will broadcast "Security Zone" with Tali Lipkin-Shahak. These issues will be discussed there, plus the future of Heil Avira. The guests are not Yasha Kazakov. For example, there will be Giora Island. That's where analytics comes in. good

                You couldn't find more vomiting analysts? am There are still scales in Meretz.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 May 2021 19: 46
                  -3
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  You couldn't find more vomiting analysts? There are still scales in Meretz.

                  Tali is a journalist, not an analyst. It is left-wing and therefore its transmission is even more interesting. She does not call the uryak. Guests there are of large caliber.
                  Giora Eiland was born in 1952 in Kfar Hesse.

                  In 1970 he entered the army - in the 890th paratrooper battalion.

                  After completing his officer courses, he served as a platoon commander in the 890th battalion.

                  During the Yom Kippur War, under the command of Yitzhak Mordechai, he participated in the battle for a Chinese farm.

                  In 1974 he became a company commander.

                  Member of Operation Entebbe and Operation Litani.

                  1981-1982 - battalion commander in BAAD-1.
                  1982-1984 - Commander of the 101st Battalion.
                  1990-1992 - Commander of the Military Officer School.
                  1992-1993 - commander of the Givati ​​brigade.
                  1993-1996 - Chief Infantry Officer.
                  1996-1999 - Chief of the Operations Department of the Operations Directorate of the General Staff.
                  1999-2001 - Head of the Operations Directorate of the General Staff; was engaged in preparing the withdrawal of the Israeli army from South Lebanon and preparing for the Second Intifada.
                  2001-2003 - Head of the Israel Defense Forces Planning Office.
                  January 2004 to June 2006 - head of the National Security Council (SMALL). In this position, he took upon himself the preparation of a specific program and schedule for the demarcation, that is, the expulsion of the Jews from Gush Katif.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 26 May 2021 20: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: Professor
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    You couldn't find more vomiting analysts? There are still scales in Meretz.

                    Tali is a journalist, not an analyst. It is left-wing and therefore its transmission is even more interesting. She does not call the uryak. Guests there are of large caliber.
                    Giora Eiland was born in 1952 in Kfar Hesse.

                    In 1970 he entered the army - in the 890th paratrooper battalion.

                    After completing his officer courses, he served as a platoon commander in the 890th battalion.

                    During the Yom Kippur War, under the command of Yitzhak Mordechai, he participated in the battle for a Chinese farm.

                    In 1974 he became a company commander.

                    Member of Operation Entebbe and Operation Litani.

                    1981-1982 - battalion commander in BAAD-1.
                    1982-1984 - Commander of the 101st Battalion.
                    1990-1992 - Commander of the Military Officer School.
                    1992-1993 - commander of the Givati ​​brigade.
                    1993-1996 - Chief Infantry Officer.
                    1996-1999 - Chief of the Operations Department of the Operations Directorate of the General Staff.
                    1999-2001 - Head of the Operations Directorate of the General Staff; was engaged in preparing the withdrawal of the Israeli army from South Lebanon and preparing for the Second Intifada.
                    2001-2003 - Head of the Israel Defense Forces Planning Office.
                    January 2004 to June 2006 - head of the National Security Council (SMALL). In this position, he took upon himself the preparation of a specific program and schedule for the demarcation, that is, the expulsion of the Jews from Gush Katif.

                    Give you a biography of Yair Golan. Quite a decent career. Do you believe in his patriotism or objectivity?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 26 May 2021 20: 27
                      0
                      I didn't give a damn about his political views. I have no doubts about his military expert opinion.
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 26 May 2021 20: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: Professor
                        I didn't give a damn about his political views. I have no doubts about his military expert opinion.

                        And I doubt it. Where are all those generals who, with their expert opinion, supported the agreement with Arafat and the girush of the Jews from Gaza?
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 26 May 2021 22: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        And I doubt

                        I support. Oleg switched to the dark side? belay
                        Maybe a liberal bit him? sad
                      3. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 26 May 2021 23: 59
                        0
                        Don't quarrel, girls! We must live together! Peace to the world! yes
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 27 May 2021 06: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      Quote: Professor
                      I didn't give a damn about his political views. I have no doubts about his military expert opinion.

                      And I doubt it. Where are all those generals who, with their expert opinion, supported the agreement with Arafat and the girush of the Jews from Gaza?

                      The opinion of the head of the AMAN regarding the military potential of Hamas is much more interesting than Anzhey V., who is not a reader, but a writer. Right, why read the National Security College bulletin when you can write something like the article?

                      Why should we listen to the MO manager and the Air Force commander regarding the cost of Tamir, if it is possible to write "The bottom line is as follows: the estimated price of the Tamir interceptor missile is at least 100 thousand dollars."

                      Who is interested in the statistics of strikes on Gaza announced by the IDF press service? Easier to suck out of your finger.

                      And the costs of the operation in Gaza, announced by the Ministry of Finance (yes, by the same token, which pays for everything), why read if you can come up with an "analyst" yourself: "there the account is approaching the border of 600-700 million dollars, no less"?

                      Who should be taught geography and history? Study diplomatic relations? the "analyst" writes "And although they cannot break Israel, this leads to consequences of a different kind, for which Tel Aviv is not at all ready." Tel Aviv doesn't have to be ready. Bibi in Jerusalem or in Caesarea. Depending on Sarah. And how does the author know what Pikud Ha-Orev is ready for? Does he read books?

                      However, all this is analytics which in the article does not from the word "absolutely".
                    3. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 27 May 2021 06: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      The opinion of the head of the AMAN regarding the military potential of Hamas is much more interesting than Anzhey V. who is not a reader but a writer.

                      Oleg, no one argues with this, but this does not justify the elevation of a leftist-minded program to the status of an "objective source". wink
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  • zenion
    zenion 26 May 2021 17: 51
    +1
    With the fact that a certain person is at war with those who want to create a government without him.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 May 2021 13: 51
    +5
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    Finally, analytical articles began to appear on VO. We can agree with many things.

    The article appeals to me. Correct alignment, this has not happened for a long time.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 May 2021 22: 14
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Correct alignment

      What is it? I would like to hear detailed and well-reasoned, and better with proven facts. wink
  • yehat2
    yehat2 26 May 2021 14: 28
    -1
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    You can agree with a lot

    many theses are far-fetched. Some are larger, some are smaller.
    Nobody bothers to dig the ground in Gaza. But at the same time, I am sure, several of these objects were included in the list of probable targets, which was realized after the start of the rocket attack.
    I would like to note that in Palestinian towns, any white tourist may well be stoned. This is for you to understand the intensity of hatred. Likewise, any Arab in the territory controlled by the Israeli administration risks at least being stopped for inspection, or even more seriously digging in.
    I do not agree with the author of the article in everything. He noted an important nuance that propaganda makes scumbags out of Palestinians, but Israel is so deeply soldered with hatred that most people are able to instantly turn into bloodthirsty animals.
    Has Israel lost? I believe he won strategically. He continues the Nazi policy of ousting another ethnic group, and creates reasons for his army to increase pressure on the Palestinians.
    And the Palestinians, instead of these unquestionably complex preparations for rocket fire, would be better off engaging in PR, propaganda and information warfare. This is more cunning and more effective than the Forev shahid.
    It is much more effective to create legitimate reasons for the UN, Turkey or Iran to intervene than to try to butt themselves with the Israeli army.
    1. Devyatomayets
      Devyatomayets 26 May 2021 14: 49
      +7
      Quote: yehat2
      And the Palestinians, instead of these unquestionably complex preparations for rocket fire, would be better off engaging in PR, propaganda and information warfare. This is more cunning and more effective than the Forev shahid.


      And what can the Palestinians offer on the propaganda front besides rotten medieval Islamism? Such propaganda will act exclusively only on the same Islamist babakhs, as well as, with a stretch, on a small, even by the standards of the modern West, a layer of multi-cult tolerance mourning for the innocently killed hamsyats by Israel.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 26 May 2021 15: 00
        +2
        Quote: Devyatomayets
        what the Palestinians have to offer

        so let them look. Stop being blunt.
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  • Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 26 May 2021 16: 58
    0
    I already read something like this somewhere ... I remember! Edward Luttwack: Strategy. The Logic of War and Peace.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 May 2021 12: 23
    +4
    Author hi you are a brave man! Here it is "accepted" by the members of the forum to "eat" the crowd from there who dares to call things by their proper names, in their comments the Jewish state is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the Palestinian population is justified by the label "terrorists" for the entire population of this enclave! Totally, from the cradle to the grave, even all pets in Palestine are "terrorists"! Israel managed to build happiness, or rather, a state, on foreign lands, but for peaceful coexistence, all the Jews had to do was "not to take someone else's!" , the Israelites wanted to sow the wind, reap the storm. Therefore, the war there will be eternal, or until the state of Palestine is created on its original lands.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 26 May 2021 12: 27
      +21
      the state of Palestine will not be created on their original lands

      I think - the Jews have a slightly different opinion, what is their own and what is alien .. From their point of view, it is the Arabs who seized the ancestral lands of Israel. Moreover, they do not think without reason. So - when they come to an agreement, the war will be fought there until one of them is cut out in fig.
      1. Niko
        Niko 26 May 2021 19: 55
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        the state of Palestine will not be created on their original lands

        I think - the Jews have a slightly different opinion, what is their own and what is alien .. From their point of view, it is the Arabs who seized the ancestral lands of Israel. Moreover, they do not think without reason. So - when they come to an agreement, the war will be fought there until one of them is cut out in fig.

        And what was once such a state ???? In our reality, not in fantasies?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 26 May 2021 20: 10
          -3
          As far as I understand, you were pleased to skip the history of the ancient world at school?
          1. Niko
            Niko 26 May 2021 20: 36
            +1
            An excellent answer is "history of the ANCIENT WORLD" that is, no state of Palestine (especially Arab) existed in real time. So from which STATE in 1947-1948 did ISRAEL take something away?
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 08: 11
              +1
              Quote: Niko
              So from which STATE in 1947-1948 ISRAEL took something away?

              In the UK, if I'm not mistaken.
              1. Niko
                Niko 27 May 2021 13: 06
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Quote: Niko
                So from which STATE in 1947-1948 ISRAEL took something away?

                In the UK, if I'm not mistaken.

                Great Britain has just left, the "mandate to govern" has ended And the Arab population for hundreds of years has proved its complete inability to create at least some semblance of a state on these lands (especially a STATE like ISRAEL)
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 14: 34
                  -6
                  Quote: Niko
                  And the Arab population for hundreds of years has proved its complete inability to create at least some semblance of a state on these lands (especially a STATE similar to ISRAEL)

                  When you start to measure the skull and build concentration camps for the Palestinian Untermens?
                  1. Niko
                    Niko 27 May 2021 16: 23
                    0
                    About the attitude towards the Arabs of certain nationalities, including the Palestinians, ask (since you yourself do not know) not from their "enemies" but from "friends of the co-religionists", but from more or less civilized mesto.Napisat what they say will not work-will block. And I have personal experience and large enough for my general love for any person, regardless of race, faith, etc. had nuances.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 17: 11
                      -6
                      Quote: Niko
                      About the attitude towards Arabs of certain nationalities

                      Am I not reading any Himmler right now?
                      Quote: Niko
                      And I have personal experience and large enough for my general love for any person regardless of race, faith, etc. had nuances.

                      In total, he enlisted himself as a superman, and the Palestinians as an untermensch. Such is the small nuance. True, a tribunal with a sad outcome used to shine for him. Now you can. Fascism is back in vogue. And in general "this is different."
                      1. Niko
                        Niko 27 May 2021 20: 57
                        +2
                        With your analytical thinking: to kindergarten, then school, then life will add ... I just have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and communicate with a large number of people who have it (in addition to general knowledge and education), I have the opportunity to see these people EVERY DAY and I am quite old so as not to be afraid to evaluate. As I understand it, you have seen the subjects we are discussing only in the news program, but you are taken to judge global things.
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 May 2021 21: 51
                        -3
                        Quote: Niko
                        With your analytical mind

                        Are you sure that you have this thinking at least in its infancy?
                        Quote: Niko
                        I just have a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

                        It's not bad. But for an objective assessment, it is not enough.
                        Quote: Niko
                        and old enough not to be afraid to evaluate

                        So far, I have not seen exactly your assessment, but I have seen a full set of nationalist stereotypes.
                        Quote: Niko
                        but you start judging about global things.

                        Knowledge of some principles replaces knowledge of many facts. Something like this.
                      3. Niko
                        Niko 27 May 2021 22: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Quote: Niko
                        With your analytical mind

                        Are you sure that you have this thinking at least in its infancy?
                        Quote: Niko
                        I just have a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

                        It's not bad. But for an objective assessment, it is not enough.
                        Quote: Niko
                        and old enough not to be afraid to evaluate

                        So far, I have not seen exactly your assessment, but I have seen a full set of nationalist stereotypes.
                        Quote: Niko
                        but you start judging about global things.

                        Knowledge of some principles replaces knowledge of many facts. Something like this.

                        This is one of the reasons due to which there is so much verbiage (and not only in VO). A person himself admits that he does not know anything about the essence of the issue, but there are enough "principles" and writes and writes laughing
                      4. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 28 May 2021 10: 01
                        -3
                        That is, you indirectly admitted your lack of analytical thinking and inability to form your opinion on the issue?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 May 2021 08: 30
    -1
    Quote: Niko
    And what was once such a state ???? In our reality, not in fantasies?

    Just as there was neither one nor the other state, they are all only in fantasies, but in reality no one knows.
    1. Niko
      Niko 27 May 2021 13: 09
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Niko
      And what was once such a state ???? In our reality, not in fantasies?

      Just as there was neither one nor the other state, they are all only in fantasies, but in reality no one knows.

      Israel existed in "antiquity", exists now and will exist, as if they did not rage around
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 May 2021 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: Niko
        Israel existed in "antiquity"

        And do you believe that?
        1. Iris
          Iris 27 May 2021 20: 55
          +3
          Is this a matter of faith?
        2. Niko
          Niko 27 May 2021 20: 55
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Niko
          Israel existed in "antiquity"

          And do you believe that?

          Well, there is a lot of historical evidence of this, even if you are not a believer and the BIBLE is not an authority
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 May 2021 08: 19
            0
            Quote: Niko
            Well, there is a lot of historical evidence of this, even if you are not a believer and the BIBLE is not an authority

            There was a Jewish state, but there was no such name.
  • credo
    credo 26 May 2021 12: 42
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    ... Here it is "accepted" by the members of the forum to "eat" the crowd from there who dares to call things by their proper names, in their comments the Jewish state is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the Palestinian population is justified by the label for the entire population of this enclave "terrorist." ..


    In fact, the author of the article at the very beginning stated something completely different:
    ... The author of this text has no sympathy or prejudice towards one or another side of the conflict. Below you will be presented with a non-standard and controversial view of the "Palestinian question", showing that the situation there is by no means as unambiguous as we are accustomed to perceive ....

    In my opinion, he did not give an answer to the topic set by himself, but you brought everything together - the Jews are bad, the Palestinians are good, but as for me, this has nothing to do with the topic of the article.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 May 2021 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: credo
      and you brought everything together - the Jews are bad, the Palestinians are good, but as for me, this has nothing to do with the topic of the article.

      Well then, take in the other direction "the Jews are good, the Palestinians are bad."
      But in my opinion there are neither good nor bad. People have to be sane, which is what we all lack.
      1. credo
        credo 26 May 2021 13: 53
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: credo
        and you brought everything together - the Jews are bad, the Palestinians are good, but as for me, this has nothing to do with the topic of the article.

        Well then, take in the other direction "the Jews are good, the Palestinians are bad."
        But in my opinion there are neither good nor bad. People have to be sane, which is what we all lack.

        Well, it begins, smoothly with the Jews and Palestinians all the sins in the world are hung on everyone.
        Why would I argue otherwise if the Author stated the article as some kind of analysis of a post-conflict situation. I was interested in the declared topic, but I did not find anything worthwhile in it. Sorry.

        Personally, I did not find any specifics in one of the presented laudatory eulogies of the article, except for an unfounded statement about the multimillion-dollar losses of Israel and its tarnished media reputation.
        Well, where, then, is the full report on the financial losses of the Palestinians, so that one can say about the real financial losses of the parties. He's gone. So what's the conversation?

        The same goes for the so-called media factor. How did he express himself? Maybe in the frail "threats" of Turkey or the skinny squeak of the EU, or maybe the League of Arab States, together with world Islam, staged a general boycott of Israel and its goods, or, at worst, the UN took something there from which the Israeli leadership was shaking its veins?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 May 2021 13: 59
          -2
          Quote: credo
          Did the UN accept something there from which the Israeli leadership began to shake the veins?

          The UN will not go against the Jews. So live in peace and do your job.
          1. Iris
            Iris 27 May 2021 20: 59
            0
            The UN only does what goes against Israel. They are fortunately incapable of influencing anything seriously - neither in relation to Israel, nor in relation to Russia.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 28 May 2021 08: 20
              +1
              Quote: Iris
              They are fortunately incapable of influencing anything seriously - neither in relation to Israel, nor in relation to Russia.

              That's right, that's how we live.
        2. zenion
          zenion 26 May 2021 18: 02
          +1
          credo. Nothing worthwhile was found. You used an anecdote to have proof. The patient rushes to the doctor and shouts - I shouldn't! The doctor looked around and asked who you wanted to fuck here. You probably imagine the author, without clothes and he has nothing worthwhile. He wrote everything he needed. He just did not write that it could cost much more if suddenly one coward entered the government without the one who started the war. Once you have not entered, then the war can be stopped and the fifth elections made in two years. Whoever started on the Jewish people does not care, he made an action against the Muslims, which made them prove that they would not forget and would not forgive, which he needed. He paid 30 million for the show to start. The country knows this, but she was tired and everyone cared about it.
          1. credo
            credo 26 May 2021 18: 19
            0
            Quote: zenion
            credo. Nothing worthwhile was found. You used an anecdote to have proof. The patient rushes to the doctor and shouts - I shouldn't! The doctor looked around and asked who you wanted to fuck here. You probably imagine the author, without clothes and he has nothing worthwhile. He wrote everything he needed. He just did not write that it could cost much more if suddenly one coward entered the government without the one who started the war. Once you have not entered, then the war can be stopped and the fifth elections made in two years. Whoever started on the Jewish people does not care, he made an action against the Muslims, which made them prove that they would not forget and would not forgive, which he needed. He paid 30 million for the show to start. The country knows this, but she was tired and everyone cared about it.

            Too chaotic you did it.
            I have already written about everything and concretized everything, including the fact that it is possible that people on both sides had their profit from this mess.
            Read my comments in the discussion.
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 26 May 2021 19: 11
          0
          Quote: credo
          did not find any specifics, except for an unfounded statement about Israel's multimillion-dollar losses

          Well, the fact that air defense and missile defense missiles are not cheap is a fact.
        4. Petrik66
          Petrik66 27 May 2021 10: 09
          +1
          The author expressed his opinion. its essence boils down to the following: Be ready to shed blood, your own and that of others, this is the only way to preserve your state, your way of life. But there are politicians on both sides who have long ago straddled the theme of the struggle between Palestinians and Israelis and made a very profitable business out of it, receive political bonuses and for whom this conflict is just a way to achieve their extremely mercantile goals. And the opinion of the generals is that the smartest people were at Adik's headquarters in 22.0641. there, with German iron logic, everything was calculated and planned. It ended badly.
  • Niko
    Niko 26 May 2021 13: 41
    +8
    Quote: Thrifty
    Author hi you are a brave man! Here it is "accepted" by the members of the forum to "eat" the crowd from there who dares to call things by their proper names, in their comments the Jewish state is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the Palestinian population is justified by the label "terrorists" for the entire population of this enclave! Totally, from the cradle to the grave, even all pets in Palestine are "terrorists"! Israel managed to build happiness, or rather, a state, on foreign lands, but for peaceful coexistence, all the Jews had to do was "not to take someone else's!" , the Israelites wanted to sow the wind, reap the storm. Therefore, the war there will be eternal, or until the state of Palestine is created on its original lands.

    Of course, not all are terrorists from the cradle. However, the fact that every child from the age of 5, every granny and every man knows perfectly well who and how cooperates with terrorists, the vast majority themselves do the same (at least knowing and hiding). The fact that 90% of the population, seeing how they drag a launcher into their yard and send their hand maids towards Israel, and do not interfere, but greet, and then scream about their allegedly innocent children, makes them a completely legitimate target for ANY country attacked ... As it was with the German children who died under the bombs, it's a pity, there is nothing to rejoice at, But their fathers are still to blame.
    1. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 18: 08
      0
      Niko. It became clear to them who they were sending them since they attacked Egypt together with France and Great Britain to chop off the Suez Canal.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 08: 14
        +2
        Quote: zenion
        It has become clear to them who they are sending since they attacked Egypt together with France and Great Britain in order to chop off the Suez Canal.

        What kind of channel you had to chop off? Which Nasser took from Britain?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 May 2021 13: 53
    -4
    Quote: Thrifty
    By you are a brave man! Here it is "accepted" by the members of the forum to "eat" the crowd from there who dares to call a spade a spade

    Well, the galut ones have already pounced on you like sparrows on porridge, now it's my turn to receive.
  • Devyatomayets
    Devyatomayets 26 May 2021 14: 54
    -1
    Quote: Thrifty
    in their comments, the Jewish state is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the Palestinian population is justified by the label for the entire population of this enclave "terrorists"! Totally, from the cradle, to the grave, even all pets in Palestine are "terrorists"! Israel managed to build happiness, or rather, a state, on foreign lands, but for peaceful coexistence all the Jews had to do was “not take someone else's!” But the Israelis wanted to sow the wind, reap the storm. Therefore, the war there will be eternal, or until the state of Palestine is created on its original lands.


    in their comments, Novorossia is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the population of Ukraine is justified by the label for the entire population of this enclave "Bendera people"! Totally, from the cradle to the grave, even all pets in Ukraine are "Bendera people"! The DPR managed to build a state on foreign lands, but for peaceful coexistence all the Novorossians had to do was “not to take someone else's!” But the Novorossians wanted to sow the wind, reap the storm. Therefore, the war there will be eternal, or until the state of Ukraine is created on its original lands.

    I changed only two names, but look how awkward it turned out wassat
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 26 May 2021 16: 36
      -3
      Devyatomayets - utter nonsense came out! The fact of the existence of Novorussia, humanitarian supplies from Russia, the "north wind" - you simply ignored the facts, distorting my comment
      1. Devyatomayets
        Devyatomayets 26 May 2021 16: 58
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        The fact of the existence of Novorussia, humanitarian supplies from Russia, the "north wind" - you simply ignored the facts, distorting my comment

        The fact of the existence of Israel, humanitarian supplies from the United States, the "American wind" - everything coincides by 100% :)
    2. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 18: 12
      +1
      So you do not know that the Banderas fought against the USSR not for the freedom of Ukraine, but for the fact that Hitler needed these lands. Petraschuk said that their black soil was a meter deep. So the Germans cut him off and took him to Germany to fertilize the weak lands. Of course, so that the Bandera would have where to plant the cartope and the boar benefit.
    3. Xenofont
      Xenofont 26 May 2021 19: 09
      +1
      It's embarrassing that you confuse the Benderaites (probably the Transnistrian people of Bendery) with the Banderaites, who seized power in the rest of the so-called. Ukraine.
      1. zenion
        zenion 28 May 2021 14: 49
        -1
        Bendery are in Moldova, and the Banderaites were hiding there in Codri, so that they would not be found.
    4. Niko
      Niko 26 May 2021 19: 41
      +2
      Quote: Devyatomayets
      Quote: Thrifty
      in their comments, the Jewish state is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the Palestinian population is justified by the label for the entire population of this enclave "terrorists"! Totally, from the cradle, to the grave, even all pets in Palestine are "terrorists"! Israel managed to build happiness, or rather, a state, on foreign lands, but for peaceful coexistence all the Jews had to do was “not take someone else's!” But the Israelis wanted to sow the wind, reap the storm. Therefore, the war there will be eternal, or until the state of Palestine is created on its original lands.


      in their comments, Novorossia is surrounded by enemies, the whole world is against them, and cruelty to the population of Ukraine is justified by the label for the entire population of this enclave "Bendera people"! Totally, from the cradle to the grave, even all pets in Ukraine are "Bendera people"! The DPR managed to build a state on foreign lands, but for peaceful coexistence all the Novorossians had to do was “not to take someone else's!” But the Novorossians wanted to sow the wind, reap the storm. Therefore, the war there will be eternal, or until the state of Ukraine is created on its original lands.

      I changed only two names, but look how awkward it turned out wassat

      Remind me when there was such a sovereign state: "Palestine"? Who did Israel chop off something from?
    5. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 May 2021 22: 24
      +3
      Quote: Devyatomayets
      I changed only two names, but look how awkward it turned out


      wassat
  • paul3390
    paul3390 26 May 2021 12: 24
    +1
    There is an old maxim - the best air defense is your tanks at the enemy airfield. As long as the key objects of Izrailovka are within the reach of the Palestinian shaitan-pipes, the chosen strategy is obviously a losing one. Shoot down all the flying water pipes - no dough is enough. IMHO - it was clear from the very beginning. Just the number of starts will crush, both financially and technically ..
  • credo
    credo 26 May 2021 12: 27
    +3
    ... Israel is deploying more and more missile defense batteries, while dodging a ground invasion, which would undoubtedly be much more effective) ...

    And it seems to me that the Author of the article himself is not able to formulate "... strategic defeat ..." of Israel as a result of this conflict, translating everything into the sum of Israel's costs and alleged media losses.
    Not enough strength?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 26 May 2021 12: 42
      -2
      The credo is that the Israelis were shouting from the forum that they would fight until the Palestinians were taken to the nail-all, but they quickly agreed to a truce proposed by the Egyptians. So, Israel also has a button that works as a limiter of patriotism. ..
      1. credo
        credo 26 May 2021 12: 53
        -2
        Quote: Thrifty
        The credo is that the Israelis were shouting from the forum that they would fight until the Palestinians were taken to the nail-all, but they quickly agreed to a truce proposed by the Egyptians. So, Israel also has a button that works as a limiter of patriotism. ..

        You perfectly understand that humanity has been using verbal threats against the enemy since time immemorial and the Jews have not invented anything here.
        Well, yes, the Jews suffered, the Palestinians used up their enthusiasm and both sides came to an agreement.
        What was primary in this case, and what was secondary, I do not presume to judge, but they say from both sides there are persons or groups of persons who got profit from this.
    2. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 18: 15
      -1
      credo. The worst thing was that volunteers wanted to come to the aid of Gaza and not only Muslims, but also residents of countries in which there are no Muslims. This would already be reminiscent of the Spanish Civil War.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 27 May 2021 06: 42
        +3
        Quote: zenion
        This would already be reminiscent of the Spanish Civil War.

        and would end with the same result
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 08: 20
          0
          By the way, the analogy with the Spanish war is simply shining. Then, too, all the good people in the world were on the side of 100% cannibals. With all questions to Franco, one cannot but admit that the side of good in Spain was the Nazis, at least in the later period, with Negrin and the future enemy of the people Pavlov.
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 08: 18
        +1
        It’s a pity that we didn’t come. The Jews would be of great service to the rest of the countries if they helped get rid of these travelers.

        Unfortunately, the main friends of the Palestinians are media workers and left-wing politicians in Europe and North America. It will not be possible to get rid of them with the help of a ground operation.
  • BAI
    BAI 26 May 2021 12: 29
    +2
    All the same, Israel still has very strong support in Europe and the United States. This resource is not overwhelmed.
  • forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 26 May 2021 12: 35
    +6
    The author forgot to mention that the Palestinian-Egyptian border is not controlled by Israel.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 May 2021 13: 18
    +4
    The author is great! Finally, my own, not "generally accepted" view of the situation! The author is also a "daredevil" (!) ... throwing a "fig" into a "kennel" is not easy! (I already wrote about the "(pro) Jewish lobby" on VO, when Palestinian rocket attacks and the merits of the "railway dome" were discussed on VO!) ... By the way. when I expressed doubts about the success of the Israeli "actions of retaliation", arguing that there were already a lot of "all-crushing actions of retaliation" from Israel; but they did not lead to the "pacification" of the Palestinians, I was answered that there had not yet been a truly "all-crushing" retribution to the Palestinians! What is this "real retribution" meant? Drop nuclear bombs? To arrange "carpet" bombings to level the Palestinian cities with the desert even without nuclear weapons? There is a saying: When you sow the wind, you will reap the storm! And I once cited this dictum, to which the "tovarischi Jews" then replied that they were not afraid of anything in response to the dictum! Well ... wait and see!
    PS At the same time, I do not at all wish the "comrades Jews" an "all-incinerating" Armageddon ..! I am sometimes impressed by the Israeli arrogance; I have a small, but very negative experience of communicating with Arabs ... (I still remember the Arab bastard ...)
  • Diverse
    Diverse 26 May 2021 13: 45
    +9
    If it is analytic, then put out the light. The author did not even bother to look at when the last confrontation between Israel and Lebanon took place. Quote:
    After the 2008 Lebanese campaign (It was the losses incurred in it that put a fat point on the IDF's ability to wage contact wars) Israel began to develop the "Iron Dome".

    As far as I remember, it happened in 2006, I remember it. Probably, everything in the author's head got mixed up, and he confused something, most likely geography. The first thing that comes to mind is 8.08.08.
    It is so touching the desire to analyze where even a person has no idea what is here and how it was. Or another quote from the article:
    It is worth noting separately a very remarkable and crude Israeli information provocation associated with the use of allegedly Palestinian accounts on social networks, which glorify "Hitler's righteousness."


    Palestinian flag with swastika... Photo: press service of the IDF 06.04.18/XNUMX/XNUMX

    This picture, taken on Friday, April 6, by an employee of the IDF press service on the border with Gaza, is unlikely to get on the pages of foreign media. Foreign publications prefer to receive a different picture from Gaza. I don't even want to touch on the rest. Common phrases, nothing more.
    1. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 18: 18
      +1
      And if you still take pictures of Israeli synagogues and other places with a swastika, then it is not known who will be lucky. And they are not drawn by the Palestinians.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 May 2021 19: 06
        0
        Quote: zenion
        And if you still take pictures of Israeli synagogues and other places with a swastika, then it is not known who will be lucky. And they are not drawn by the Palestinians.

        And not Jews yes
        1. zenion
          zenion 26 May 2021 21: 03
          -1
          I will not disappoint you ...
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 May 2021 23: 15
            -1
            Quote: zenion
            I will not disappoint you ...

            Can you? laughing I know these cases hi
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 26 May 2021 14: 00
    +11
    The first part, about the Palestinians, is all true. They are not primitive.
    Next:
    Israeli society simply refused to take the casualties among the soldiers for granted. Violent criticism fell upon politicians and the highest military circles, provoking a series of resignations and changes.

    Nonsense - everyone is in the Israeli army. Boys and girls, children of those earning minimum wages and oligarchs, the unemployed and ministers. And everyone knows that there is no war without losses
    In this case, society simply does not understand why the glorious Israeli soldiers die at the hands of such an insignificant enemy. And the anger of the people finds a way out in criticizing their own authorities
    Once again, everyone serves, 25 percent of conscripts and 40 percent of reservists are in one way or another in contact with the Arabs (the reserve is made annually for a month up to forty years of age).
    As you probably already noticed, despite the fact that Israel has been pouring thousands of tons of steel and explosives on Lebanon and Palestine for several years, they still have not surrendered. Yes, the Israelis can achieve any tactical success, but strategically they are not capable of breaking Hamas or Hezbollah.

    And how to make them capitulate if it is:
    1) in the case of Hamas, the ideological bread franchise, a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine? There is no oil, where do you make good money? From agriculture and tourism? laughing
    2) Is Hezbollah a self-defense of the Shiite population of Lebanon, which has become a political party? To whom to surrender and why? Before Sunnis, Christians and ... Jews, hatred of whom is the only consensus in the BW?
    This requires a full-scale ground operation and the accompanying losses - but for Israel this is simply unacceptable.

    If there are large losses among the Israeli civilians, it will be carried out - otherwise the government will simply fly off. The question is to what extent. They dropped Hamas - or the occupation, and to feed the hostile population, with whom you are still fighting, no one wants to fight, or the local full of seams - the question is, who will come for the place of Hamas? IG? laughing Fatah is not an option, it is not popular among the population of Gaza, it will be overthrown by jihadists.
    In turn, these factors are pushing the Israeli military to use the tactics of air terror. Under normal conditions, bombing is a slow and painful process of detecting, selecting and destroying one target after another. However, Israel does not exchange for such sentiments, inflicting arbitrary strikes, including on civilians.

    Visit Gaza once - you will see that in the event of one deliberate strike on dense buildings, there will be more corpses than in the entire operation. The Israelis do not have a slow and painful process of bombing - they have a bank of goals and instructions for their implementation, including alerting peaceful Arabs to leave the bombing site.
    It is worth noting separately a very remarkable and crude Israeli information provocation associated with the use of allegedly Palestinian accounts on social networks that glorify "Hitler's righteousness"

    )))))
    The author is not aware of Hitler's popularity among the Arabs, especially among the Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians? ))
    After the Lebanese campaign of 2008 (it was the losses incurred in it that put an end to the IDF's ability to wage contact wars) Israel began developing the Iron Dome.

    2006 - then Hezbollah asked for peace for the second time, already on Israeli terms, just after contact fights on a break)). And such battles lasted only three days.
    ----
    In short, you need knowledge. Without them, the article is interesting, but these bloopers kill it.
    1. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 18: 44
      +1
      You have forgotten the ancient and the eternal - the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Read the book "Tehran 43". Skorzeny often flew to Palestine to discuss some issues with Jewish partisans who fought against the British. If Stalin had not interceded, then these partisans could have been put on trial. Skorzeny laughed as he spoke to Himmler. I spoke with them as with Jews, they were offended and said - we are not Jews, we are Israelis. There was no Israel then. If not for Stalin, he would not have existed to this day.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 May 2021 19: 14
        0
        You have forgotten the ancient and the eternal - the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Read the book "Tehran 43". Skorzeny often flew to Palestine to discuss some issues with Jewish partisans who fought against the British
        Did Skorzeny know about this? lol His first contact with the Israelis took place in the early 60s, about the impact on German rocket scientists working in Egypt.
        If Stalin had not interceded, then these partisans could have been put on trial. Skorzeny laughed as he spoke to Himmler. I spoke with them as with Jews, they were offended and said - we are not Jews, we are Israelis. There was no Israel then. If not for Stalin, he would not have existed to this day.

        A very curious story - especially considering that the Jews from those places were then called Palestinians, and no one knew how the future state would be called in May 1948 - Zion, Judea or Israel, as well as the resolution of the UN, which did not yet exist, adopted in November 1947 on the division of the area into two countries hi ))))
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 26 May 2021 19: 33
      +1
      Nonsense - everyone is in the Israeli army.

      Even the Orthodox?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 May 2021 19: 38
        +2
        A very small amount. The bulk does not recognize the state of Israel, another minority of the Orthodox participate in anti-Israeli demonstrations along with the Palestinians.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 May 2021 19: 42
          +2
          The bulk does not recognize the state of Israel

          And what are they doing then in the state they do not recognize? It's somehow illogical. Just like in the joke about the demonstration of lovers of same-sex love, whom no one forbids to have same-sex love.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 May 2021 19: 47
            +1
            How do they do what? Waiting for the messiah laughing
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 26 May 2021 22: 12
            +1
            Quote: Aviator_
            And what are they doing then in the state they do not recognize? It's somehow illogical.
            They will have kosher only that Israel, which was created by the messiah (Stalin and Truman are not enough for them). And they sit there, because there is a hill of Zion, near which they are supposed to cluster (they are Zionists).
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 27 May 2021 02: 08
              +1
              They are anti-Zionists laughing
          3. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 08: 25
            +2
            Quote: Aviator_
            And what do they do then in a state they do not recognize?

            This state gives them money, as far as I am aware. Why not take it?
        2. Iris
          Iris 27 May 2021 21: 04
          +1
          And by the way, what about the service in the army of Muslim Arabs, citizens of Israel? After all, the law on military service is one for everyone. Christian Arabs, I heard they serve in the army, I don’t know if all of them ..
          And the Muslims? And the point, as I understand it, is not in Islam as such, because the Circassians serve in the army, and many even in the elite troops ..
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 28 May 2021 07: 29
            0
            Christian Arabs, Ultra-Orthodox Jews, and Muslim Arabs serve entirely on a voluntary basis.
            Circassian Muslims, Muslims and Christians from the former USSR (as well as from other countries), Druze and Jews serve without fail.
            1. Iris
              Iris 28 May 2021 07: 57
              +1
              Thanks for clarifying. I wonder if there are many Muslim Arabs serving in the army?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 28 May 2021 08: 48
                0
                Not many, but they are in most branches of the military, with the exception of the Air Force, Navy and Special Forces.
  • Exval
    Exval 26 May 2021 14: 00
    +1
    Congratulations to the author on another and, as always, interesting material. True, it seemed to me that it contains a certain contradiction. It lies in the fact that the author notes some "failures" of Israeli propaganda and at the same time admits that she succeeds in generally successfully solving the problem of forming a positive image of her country and a negative one - of its opponents. Although, perhaps, I did not understand the author's intention very well.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 14: 32
    +4
    Quote: credo
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: credo
    and you brought everything together - the Jews are bad, the Palestinians are good, but as for me, this has nothing to do with the topic of the article.

    Well then, take in the other direction "the Jews are good, the Palestinians are bad."
    But in my opinion there are neither good nor bad. People have to be sane, which is what we all lack.

    Well, it begins, smoothly with the Jews and Palestinians all the sins in the world are hung on everyone.
    Why would I argue otherwise if the Author stated the article as some kind of analysis of a post-conflict situation. I was interested in the declared topic, but I did not find anything worthwhile in it. Sorry.

    Personally, I did not find any specifics in one of the presented laudatory eulogies of the article, except for an unfounded statement about the multimillion-dollar losses of Israel and its tarnished media reputation.
    Well, where, then, is the full report on the financial losses of the Palestinians, so that one can say about the real financial losses of the parties. He's gone. So what's the conversation?

    The same goes for the so-called media factor. How did he express himself? Maybe in the frail "threats" of Turkey or the skinny squeak of the EU, or maybe the League of Arab States, together with world Islam, staged a general boycott of Israel and its goods, or, at worst, the UN took something there from which the Israeli leadership was shaking its veins?

    # Well, where, then, is a full report on the financial losses of the Palestinians, so that one can say about the real financial losses of the parties. It's not there #

    Well, so, according to a cursory calculation, the costs of the parties are very close ...
    Compared to 2014, the information pressure on Israel is much lower.
    In my opinion, strategically, there are no obvious losers or winners in this conflict.
    The image of Israel is loosely tied to the specific fact of the 11-day exacerbation; it generally depends on other more general factors.
    Ps. And so the article is interesting ... Although sympathy for certain participants in the confrontation was not completely hidden.
  • Devyatomayets
    Devyatomayets 26 May 2021 15: 04
    +7
    It is worth noting separately a very remarkable and crude Israeli information provocation associated with the use of allegedly Palestinian accounts on social networks, which glorify "Hitler's righteousness."



    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 May 2021 15: 58
      +3
      So this is only Hezbollah - in Syria, the Nazis are generally legal, the second party, seats in parliament, the nazbats are fighting on the side of Assad)))
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      2. sidoroff
        sidoroff 26 May 2021 18: 59
        +3
        on the other hand, Hamas in Syria supported Assad's worst enemies, the Islamists there. and are destroyed without
        questions by the Syrian army, Hezbollons, the Aerospace Forces adds cast iron from above. Khaled Mashal took his legs with difficulty.
  • Professor
    Professor 26 May 2021 16: 06
    +9
    I don't love science fiction.
    And if we return to reality, then the situation looks like this:
    Israel is not against Palestine, but against Gaza, or, more precisely, against the terrorist organization Hamas, which seized power in Gaza and kicked out the representatives of Palestine from Gaza. That is, the Palestinian Authority. President Abu Mazen of Ramallah (the Palestinian capital) has no power in Gaza. Absolutely. Palestinian militants are savages, fanatics and suicides. Of course not all of them, but they are the ones who blow themselves up on buses and they are the ones who kill their children for the sake of fanatical delusions. Of course, there are among the militants and an engineer and a doctor of science. By the way, those who graduated from universities committed suicide by hanging themselves with explosives. Fanaticism... request
    Gaza is not the size of the Ural Magnitogorsk and there are not two million people crowded there because the population of Gaza is much smaller. Gaza is not blocked from both sea and land. It shares a border with Egypt, which is not controlled by Israel. Telephones in Gaza, its Internet are not controlled by Israel. There are no thousands of analysts dealing with Gaza. We do not have the population of China. There is also a problem with agents, Israel has separated from Gaza and recruiting from a distance is useless. No special secrecy is required from Hamas. They openly take out earth from the technical outputs of the tunnels. Go and know where these tunnels lead and where they have exits. The only thing we can see from the air is the amount of soil removed and can calculate the total length of the tunnels. This is about 120 km. Metro...
    Israel cannot prohibit the delivery of dual-use products. Arabs need pipes, fertilizers, machine tools and other items for public utilities. All this can be used for terror. For example, helium for hospitals ... goes into balloons with explosives. Not supplying helium to hospitals?

    Racist texts cannot ridicule Palestinians as Palestinians are not blacks and do not belong to another race at all.

    Israeli military operations in recent years have been very deeply analyzed from the point of view of the universal logic of strategy. Dozens of articles and books have been published about this.
    Israeli propaganda actively tries to present opponents (especially Hezbollah) not as dull-witted terrorists and murderers, but as highly professional military, well-armed, well-trained and motivated. The desire of society to win the war without sacrifice is the normal desire of society. Who wants their victims?

    Yes, despite the fact that Israel has been raining down on Lebanon for several years ???? and Palestine ??? (Gas) thousands of tons of steel and explosives, they still have not surrendered. How could it be otherwise? After all, these are not states, but terrorist organizations that are paid to fight Israel. There are still Nazis in Germany and have not surrendered. Well? No full-scale ground operation will force Hamas to surrender. They will dissolve among the peaceful and then declare their victory. We have already gone through this.
    Is the Israeli military using air terror tactics? The author of the article has no sympathy or prejudice towards one or another side of the conflict? Seriously?
    The capital of Israel is not Tel Aviv. Anyway, on this planet.
    Israel is not engaged in information provocation related to the use of allegedly Palestinian accounts on social networks that glorify "Hitler's righteousness." Swastika flags are a common attribute of the Palestinian Arabs. there is a full video of them marching with Nazi flags on the border of Gaza.
    After the 2008 Lebanese campaign? On our planet, the Lebanese war ended in 2006.

    I could not master the article to the end. Yes, the author will forgive me. Even as fiction, the article does not pull a C grade. It's dumb to publish it in Opinions, but in Analytics?
    Shredded VO. sad
    1. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 18: 22
      +1
      Watch the story and be surprised. Hamas created Israel against the PLO. Out of spite, they did the same thing that the US did in Afghanistan, which turned against the rest of the world, but the US still carries out some orders, like Hamas. Hamas did not seize Gaza. There, elections were held under American supervision, and the United States was satisfied with the elections. Everyone is happy, but the professor is dissatisfied and lies a little. What did the Jews do before they tortured the state on the territory of Palestine? Straight from the Odessa anecdote. Abram with Sarah at the trial, divorce. Abram, why do you want to divorce Sarah? Abram - Sarah doesn't satisfy me! Remarks from the audience, look what he is, he satisfies all of Odessa, but Abram is not! It reminded me about five years ago that there was such an instruction that everyone should speak out in defense of Israel on some issues, even if it is not true, so that everyone would be satisfied. Especially when you are abroad.
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 May 2021 19: 18
        +3
        Quote: zenion
        Watch the story and be surprised. Hamas created Israel against the PLO.

        What nonsense? Israel did not create Hamas. Israel did not interfere with the creation of Hamas, since this organization was created as a charitable organization. Gaza is still full of such organizations.

        Quote: zenion
        Hamas did not seize Gaza. The elections were held there under American supervision and the United States was satisfied with the elections.

        Again nonsense. The elections did not involve throwing political opponents off the roofs of high-rise buildings, and there were no American observers at the polling stations.

        Quote: zenion
        Everyone is happy, but the professor is dissatisfied and lies a little.

        I don’t know about everyone, but Israel is not happy and severed ties with Gaza after the elections. learn materiel.

        Quote: zenion
        What did the Jews do before they tortured the state on the territory of Palestine?

        In what galaxy was this? In our Galaxy, the Jews created their own state with weapons in their hands on the territory of Mandatory Palestine, which Great Britain received to create a Jewish state. There has never been any "territory of Palestine" and there is.

        Quote: zenion
        It reminded me about five years ago that there was such an instruction that everyone should speak out in defense of Israel on some issues, even if it is not true, so that everyone would be satisfied. Especially when you are abroad.

        An indication by whom and to whom? What planet? For disobeying an order, annihilation?
  • zenion
    zenion 26 May 2021 17: 49
    +1
    Who is Gaza? She's nobody! This is an enclave that raised an uprising in a concentration camp, which they still have not been able to put out. Or maybe you don't need to extinguish? There is an enemy and he is close at hand, but Iran is far away.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 18: 20
    +4
    Quote: zenion
    credo. The worst thing was that volunteers wanted to come to the aid of Gaza and not only Muslims, but also residents of countries in which there are no Muslims. This would already be reminiscent of the Spanish Civil War.

    You're scaring me?
    #that volunteers wanted to help Gaza and not only Muslims, but also residents of countries in which there are no Muslims.
    Help Gaza? Or Hamas and Islamic Jihad? Help with what?
  • xorek
    xorek 26 May 2021 19: 40
    +1
    Again Israel began to brag about it .. wink ? No, to think. That this is a bell and not the last.
    The article is not bad, there is something to think about, and not only for Jews .. hi
  • Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 20: 00
    +3
    Quote: Niko
    Quote: paul3390
    the state of Palestine will not be created on their original lands

    I think - the Jews have a slightly different opinion, what is their own and what is alien .. From their point of view, it is the Arabs who seized the ancestral lands of Israel. Moreover, they do not think without reason. So - when they come to an agreement, the war will be fought there until one of them is cut out in fig.

    And what was once such a state ???? In our reality, not in fantasies?

    In our reality, there is only history ... And the pharaohs left a lot of evidence of clashes with states and tribes in the territories of the present cities of Ashkelon, Lod and Gaza. Do you think they left archaeological evidence about the Arabs ...?
  • Shahno
    Shahno 26 May 2021 20: 41
    +3
    Quote: Niko
    An excellent answer is "history of the ANCIENT WORLD" that is, no state of Palestine (especially Arab) existed in real time. So from which STATE in 1947-1948 did ISRAEL take something away?

    The Ottomans, the British Empire, Transjordan ... you see somewhere the state of Palestine, owned by the Arabs ... As you rightly pointed out, you cannot take away what was not there.
    1. zenion
      zenion 26 May 2021 21: 08
      -1
      Indeed - there is nothing, and the child was born. Since 20, there has been an Arab bank on the territory of Palestine, which has printed its pounds. But it's great that there was nothing and suddenly Israel.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 27 May 2021 02: 19
        +2
        Quote: zenion
        Indeed - there is nothing, and the child was born. Since 20, there has been an Arab bank on the territory of Palestine, which has printed its pounds. But it's great that there was nothing and suddenly Israel.

        And since 1902 Jewish laughing And the Palestinian pounds were introduced in the territories of the Mandatory Palestine and Transjordan in 1927. Coins were issued in London, the Royal Mint, banknotes - also in Great Britain, by a private owner, and from 1917 (the British conquered this territory from the Turks) to the 27th they used the Egyptian pound. fellow
        PS The bank does not print money, it stores it, and even then, not always yes
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 May 2021 21: 41
    +3
    The author of this text has no sympathy or prejudice in relation to one or another side of the conflict.

    The author is shamelessly lying about his position. This is followed by praises for the "heroic efforts, wrongly accused" terrorists (and the perpetrators of the attacks are terrorists), and the Izuite condolences to the "fading Israel."

    historically allied to Tel Aviv

    And then the author was burnt with giblets.
    Such a turnover / manual is used exclusively by anti-Israeli biased sources and media. After that, assurances of objectivity look especially cynical hypocrisy.
    I'm not even talking about the frankly manipulative turns of speech in the article, designed to powder the brains of narrow-minded readers. Insinuations passed off as facts, an appeal to false authority, substitution of cause and effect, substitution of concepts, false logic and other techniques of artistic drawing of an owl on the globe. Just like a demagogue's textbook, even without frills. Anyone with critical thinking will understand what I mean.
    Reminds Soviet "analytical reviews" (and in fact propaganda clichés) about the "decaying West." lol

    In short, the author from me is a rotten tomato. An article with an outright rotten.
    And the author's aplomb in his claim to truth is equal to his profanity in this topic. fellow
  • bk0010
    bk0010 26 May 2021 22: 03
    +1
    $ 100000 for a command guidance missile? It is necessary for the "Torch" to fasten the receiver of the Dome signal to the rocket from Thor and sell them to Israel for $ 50000 - they will get rich.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 27 May 2021 02: 23
      -1
      Quote: bk0010
      $ 100000 for a command guidance missile? It is necessary for the "Torch" to fasten the receiver of the Dome signal to the rocket from Thor and sell them to Israel for $ 50000 - they will get rich.

      From 8 thousand to 18 thousand tanks one Tamir costs
      1. Professor
        Professor 27 May 2021 06: 27
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: bk0010
        $ 100000 for a command guidance missile? It is necessary for the "Torch" to fasten the receiver of the Dome signal to the rocket from Thor and sell them to Israel for $ 50000 - they will get rich.

        From 8 thousand to 18 thousand tanks one Tamir costs

        Why are you talking about this? The author also wrote:
        "The bottom line is this: the estimated price of the Tamir interceptor missile is at least $ 100. There are many data that provide smaller figures. However, they do not seem reliable, given the complexity of the technology used (air defense and missile defense systems, in general, are hardly not the most expensive military technologies and only combat aviation can compete with them in this matter). "
        Do you understand? Doesn't he think the numbers are reliable? All Odessa is satisfied, but he is not. wassat And it was impossible to raise the contract for the supply of LCDs to America and see how much Tamir costs? Or maybe the Jews are trading the Tamirs at a loss?

        Analytics... fool
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 May 2021 09: 28
          0
          Boker! hi
          Hai will come up with something new, collects a Jewish get-together at VO laughing
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 27 May 2021 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        From 8 thousand to 18 thousand tanks one Tamir costs
        This is much more sane money. But here you will not get rich.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 May 2021 13: 00
          -1
          Purpose to save at the LCD. Do not get rich
  • Gunther
    Gunther 27 May 2021 01: 04
    -4
    Quote: Author
    This city is blocked from land and sea. All telephone networks are tapped by the enemy. Most of the incoming cargo is inspected. The territory is controlled by satellites, drones, electronic intelligence, the situation is monitored by thousands of analysts, there are enemy informers and agents ... Israel and its allies are restricting the import of even construction materials into Gaza.


    a very decent review.
    Now the world community is increasingly condemning the Israeli Natsiks organizing anti-Semitic pogroms of the Semitic minority (Muslim Semites).
    the condemnation of the Israeli Natsiks in the United States is especially noticeable - it is not for nothing that the anti-defamation league is now swarming there.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 27 May 2021 01: 12
    -2
    Quote: Shahno
    In our reality, there is only history ... And the pharaohs left many testimonies about
    clashes with states and tribes in the territories of the present cities of Ashkelon, Loda and Gaza. Do you think they left about the Arabs
    archaeological evidence ...?


    about archaeological evidence:

    Zeev Herzog, professor at the Department of Archeology at Tel Aviv University, proved that
    there was no Egyptian captivity, there was no united Kingdom of David and Solomon and its power - nonsense, and the walls of Jericho, which collapsed from the rabbis' humming, were not there either.

    In 1999, Herzog, in the article "Deconstruction of the Walls of Jericho" (in the weekly "Haaretz"), argued that "the Israelites have never been to Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the country in a military campaign and did not become the ancestor of the 12 tribes of Israel. that the single monarchy of David and Solomon, which the Bible describes as an influential regional power, was only a small tribal kingdom, and that the God of Israel, Jehovah, had a female consort; and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only at the end of the monarchy, and not at all on mountain Sinai ". :
    Beer-Sheba II: The Early Iron Age Settlements (1984)
    Excavations at Tel Michal, Israel (1989)
    Archeology of the City: Urban Planning in Ancient Israel and Its Social Implications (1997)
    The Arad Fortresses (1997)
    Redefining the center: the emergence of state in Judah (2004)
    Beer-Sheba III: The Early Iron IIA Enclosed Settlement and the Late Iron IIA-Iron IIB Cities. 3 volumes (2015)
    So it goes)))
    1. Professor
      Professor 27 May 2021 06: 34
      +1
      Quote: Gunter
      Zeev Herzog, professor at the Department of Archeology at Tel Aviv University, proved

      Not "proved", but "put forward his theory"going at odds with world science, he was disgraced, but he achieved his goal. His citation rate rose sharply. Although not for long.
      I have already told you, but I will repeat myself. When in a past life I was a member of the academic council of the university, then at each academic council one associate professor tried to refute the Theory of Relativity. Oddly enough, he did not succeed, but he tried to do it once again at every next council. Unfortunately for him at that time there was no Internet and he remained a local clown, otherwise he would have dared on the Internet and became famous like Zeev Herzog. People don't have enough attention ...
      1. Gunther
        Gunther 27 May 2021 15: 35
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        Not "proved", but "put forward his theory" that runs counter to world science ...


        well, in regard to "world" science, this is more a wishlist than a reality, but there is some serious truth - Zeev Herzog, opposed the historical facts captured in "Egypt" by the Alexandrian historian Maneton (Maneton), who, unlike Herzog, recognized as genuine legends of Sacred history, but at the same time wrote that the Jews were driven out of Egypt because they were sick with leprosy and posed a danger to those around them that the priest Moshe (Moses) brought them out of Egypt.
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 May 2021 19: 29
          0
          Quote: Gunter
          Quote: Professor
          Not "proved", but "put forward his theory" that runs counter to world science ...


          well, in regard to "world" science, this is more a wishlist than a reality, but there is some serious truth - Zeev Herzog, opposed the historical facts captured in "Egypt" by the Alexandrian historian Maneton (Maneton), who, unlike Herzog, recognized as genuine legends of Sacred history, but at the same time wrote that the Jews were driven out of Egypt because they were sick with leprosy and posed a danger to those around them that the priest Moshe (Moses) brought them out of Egypt.

          Yes, the Jews are like that. They suffer from infectious diseases and pose a danger to others. Where have I heard this before?
          By the way, was the mikvah invented for this very reason? And how did kosher affect hygiene?
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  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 08: 34
    +5
    )))
    It is rarely possible to see at least one common thought in the local analytics, so I will use a rare occasion.

    The author, of course, knows the material very little and, what is even worse, presents his own fantasies as facts. But one can agree with one of his statements.

    Israel is now immeasurably stronger militarily than its few remaining adversaries. The existence of Israel as a state is no longer threatened. As a result, politicians are far less interested in finding solutions. The existing situation of exchange of strikes every 10 years - albeit always in a negative economic sense for Israel, but quite convenient for politicians.
    1. Iris
      Iris 27 May 2021 21: 08
      +1
      I'd like to believe in it.
      But .. There is also Iran with a well-known program.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 27 May 2021 21: 32
        +1
        Quote: Iris
        There is also Iran with a well-known program

        While there.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 27 May 2021 20: 25
    -3
    The author is an anti-Semite?
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 27 May 2021 21: 34
    +3
    Israel and its allies restrict even the import of building materials into Gaza - there is no question of any dual-use technologies. We really need miracles of resourcefulness in order to purchase and deliver reinforced concrete in commercial quantities

    Take a close look at what and how much Israel carries to Gaza.

    Even increased militarization and constant ideological indoctrination cannot save from it: the population simply ceases to adequately perceive the idea that that death in war is natural

    1 This is not a war, but an anti-terrorist operation.
    2 In Israel, unlike other countries, death is NOT NATURAL.
    3 This is not the ideological indoctrination that takes place in prime time on all Russian channels.
    This is the understanding of the citizens of the country THAT NOBODY will protect us, ONLY ourselves
    through simple calculations, we will understand that Israel is literally shooting gold in the heavens. Every day, the Iron Dome independently destroys millions of dollars, fully justifying the economic component of launching Palestinian missiles (approximately over the past 8 days, Israel has spent from 120 to 140 million dollars only on the operation of the Iron Dome system).

    1 You were not taught that counting other people's money THIS IS NOT DEAL.
    2 Maybe this will convince you that the life of one person is PRICEless and death is not natural, ask the leadership of your country to pay attention to this!
    In fact, this is an example of how dangerous forceful methods of resolving long-term conflicts are. Israel, lulled by the power of its military machine, has driven itself into a strategy trap with its own hands: any of its actions, regardless of their effectiveness, have a positive effect exclusively on the position of Tel Aviv's opponents.

    For 73 years Israel has successfully repelled forceful methods and protected its citizens from the desire of some neighbors with the help of another country that no longer exists to destroy it. During this time, there were many different analysts, predictors and hunters who did not predict anything, they disappeared without leaving a trace.
    AND ISRAEL WAS, IS AND WILL BE!
  • Iris
    Iris 27 May 2021 21: 39
    +3
    It would be worth starting this material with the fact that Palestinian militants are extremely often presented by the media as savages, fanatics and suicides.


    They are fanatics, savages and murderers. Suicide is when from a bridge from unrequited love. And when on a bus with a belt - it's just a killer.
    Civilization is quite obviously determined not by the technology of missile production and not by the high culture of planning terrorist attacks in the underground, but by the goals and objectives of the state. Are they, like, the state?
    A beggar, dirty, tiny patch, where unemployment is almost the highest in BV, the only law is Lawlessness, corruption and power are synonymous, and the only STATE source of income is state terrorism, business on the blood of its citizens. Such a special place where missile depots are placed not far from residential areas, but on the contrary, by a specialist in school buildings, so that later they can profit from the propaganda of the "atrocities of the aggressor" at the expense of their own children.

    Now you are starting to understand the conditions under which the Palestinians work, aren't you?


    Yes, now we begin to understand. Instead of desalination plants, advanced agricultural technologies, solar power, high-tech, tourism - offshore zones and casinos, at worst, they build tunnels from donated concrete and "recruit the best of the best." To organize resistance.

    The author of this text has no sympathy or prejudice in relation to one or another side of the conflict.


    Just don't lie. You admire the terrorists - the same, by the way, like those who blew up the metro and residential buildings in Moscow - at least have the courage to say it honestly.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 27 May 2021 21: 39
    +2
    Thanks for another good article, Andrzej!
    However, it is difficult for me to see anything heroic or effective in the current struggle of the Palestinians - I will try to explain why.
    Israel is a small and extremely populated state, these two factors, kakbe, hint that it is not just inconvenient for Israel to retreat from its positions - it is often almost impossible to do so. This is not a matter of political will or misunderstanding of the population.
    Accordingly, in such conditions, from the methodical psychological and terrorist pressure, this situation CANNOT change dramatically - yes, there will be prime ministers and some major military leaders, perhaps there will be temporary indulgences and agreements-armistice - but a cardinal victory will NOT happen. In fact, this conflict is a classic bleeding conflict of completely different worldviews in a small and overpopulated territory. The way to resolve this conflict would be an unambiguously unethical way in our time - there are simply no other ways.
    What is the Jewish state doing in this situation? He prepares his forces in a complex way, waiting for the moment, allowing once again to flexibly use the local movements of his opponents with casus beli behind him. Step by step, they use the mistakes of their opponents - and provide either a more advantageous configuration for them, or another squeezing out of some territories. If there is a tactic that allows you to extract profit from exsanguinating conflicts - here it is in the flesh.
    What is Hamas doing in this situation? He spends resources acquired by overwork and tricks on some kind of tactical operations - yes, spectacular, yes, at times large-scale, but sometimes causing some kind of damage - but let's look at the situation through history and economics. Where was Israel 30 years ago - where is it now. Where was Gaza 30 years ago - and where is she now. We see that the Jewish locomotive goes on and on, gaining fat and revs, and the Palestinian locomotive still fumes with fuel oil, consuming fuel at idle speed.
    The Palestinians DO NOT achieve what they want to achieve strategically with the tactics they use. They will not expand their living space, they will not reduce Israel's space, they will not become richer themselves and they will not make the Jews poorer. The metal used for these 100500 missiles could well be used to establish agriculture or water supply, like concrete - it would improve the quality of life of people, stimulate them to spend more time on education and demonstrate to the world the possibilities for peaceful and effective development. Having gained fat and foreign policy weight, they could have torpedoed Israel much more in all possible ways - but no, why postpone for a long time, if you can make shit here and now, throw a stone there or throw a gas cylinder over the wall.
    This is the root of their problem - wanting to SOLVE the problem, they are fixated not on the result, but on the compulsive elements of a rather narrow spectrum.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 27 May 2021 21: 49
    0
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Thanks for another good article, Andrzej!
    However, it is difficult for me to see anything heroic or effective in the current struggle of the Palestinians - I will try to explain why.
    Israel is a small and extremely populated state, these two factors, kakbe, hint that it is not just inconvenient for Israel to retreat from its positions - it is often almost impossible to do so. This is not a matter of political will or misunderstanding of the population.
    Accordingly, in such conditions, from the methodical psychological and terrorist pressure, this situation CANNOT change dramatically - yes, there will be prime ministers and some major military leaders, perhaps there will be temporary indulgences and agreements-armistice - but a cardinal victory will NOT happen. In fact, this conflict is a classic bleeding conflict of completely different worldviews in a small and overpopulated territory. The way to resolve this conflict would be an unambiguously unethical way in our time - there are simply no other ways.
    What is the Jewish state doing in this situation? He prepares his forces in a complex way, waiting for the moment, allowing once again to flexibly use the local movements of his opponents with casus beli behind him. Step by step, they use the mistakes of their opponents - and provide either a more advantageous configuration for them, or another squeezing out of some territories. If there is a tactic that allows you to extract profit from exsanguinating conflicts - here it is in the flesh.
    What is Hamas doing in this situation? He spends resources acquired by overwork and tricks on some kind of tactical operations - yes, spectacular, yes, at times large-scale, but sometimes causing some kind of damage - but let's look at the situation through history and economics. Where was Israel 30 years ago - where is it now. Where was Gaza 30 years ago - and where is she now. We see that the Jewish locomotive goes on and on, gaining fat and revs, and the Palestinian locomotive still fumes with fuel oil, consuming fuel at idle speed.
    The Palestinians DO NOT achieve what they want to achieve strategically with the tactics they use. They will not expand their living space, they will not reduce Israel's space, they will not become richer themselves and they will not make the Jews poorer. The metal used for these 100500 missiles could well be used to establish agriculture or water supply, like concrete - it would improve the quality of life of people, stimulate them to spend more time on education and demonstrate to the world the possibilities for peaceful and effective development. Having gained fat and foreign policy weight, they could have torpedoed Israel much more in all possible ways - but no, why postpone for a long time, if you can make shit here and now, throw a stone there or throw a gas cylinder over the wall.
    This is the root of their problem - wanting to SOLVE the problem, they are fixated not on the result, but on the compulsive elements of a rather narrow spectrum.

    Guys, I'm always happy to chat. Formulate what you want, ba sof.
  • nivander
    nivander 28 May 2021 11: 56
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    Well, yes --- the Tsakhals can only fight the Arabs. Any other army with an acceptable level of discipline and modern equipment is a terrible danger for the real.
    1. I'm walking by
      I'm walking by 30 May 2021 18: 31
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      Shapkozakidatelstvo - it's just stupid and harmful.
  • Alexander Myasnikov
    Alexander Myasnikov 31 May 2021 19: 40
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    just nobody supported Israel. He has no friends and allies.