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American edition: the Russian fleet can measure its strength with the USA and NATO in the Black Sea

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The US Navy is three times the size of the Russian Naval fleet, but Russia can compete against the US and NATO in the Black Sea. This is the conclusion reached by the author of an article for the American magazine The National Interest, Chris Osborne.


The Russian fleet is much smaller than the American and NATO fleet, but in the Black Sea it is able to withstand the ships of the alliance, the author writes. Recently, Russia has been "openly and persistently" expanding its presence in the Black Sea region, building up its forces by introducing new ships into the fleet.

Compared to modern and huge American ships, small ships under construction by Russia, at first glance, do not pose a danger, but this is a delusion. Russian ships are a threat if you know what they are armed with. And if you believe the Russian media, Osborne notes, Russia is completing tests of hypersonic missiles that will be put into service with the frigates of the Russian fleet.

According to the author, the Russian Navy does not have large ships and aircraft carriers, but there are 64 modern submarines, 85 corvettes and 55 patrol boats capable of creating a serious threat in the Black Sea for US and NATO ships capable of entering there, since aircraft carriers and other large ships The US Navy cannot enter the waters of this sea.

Summing up, Osborne writes that the Russian fleet is more suitable for coastal defense, posing a threat to NATO ships that have entered the Black Sea, but otherwise the American fleet is stronger.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 20 May 2021 16: 09
    +8
    To summarize, Osborne writes that the Russian navy is more suitable for coastal defense.


    Indeed, we are not going to attack anyone, but we also have the forces of deterrence - retaliation ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 20 May 2021 16: 12
      +4
      American edition: the Russian fleet can measure its strength with the USA and NATO in the Black Sea
      ... The question is ... who would dare to check it?
      1. cniza
        cniza 20 May 2021 16: 14
        +9
        Especially in the Black Sea, there are enough forces in Crimea, without Ch.F ..
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 20 May 2021 16: 16
          +15
          Yes, there are enough coastal launchers to drown anyone
          1. cniza
            cniza 20 May 2021 16: 20
            +8
            Quote: Shurik70
            Yes, there are enough coastal launchers to drown anyone


            For insurance, aviation or in a complex ...
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 20 May 2021 16: 48
              +8
              Very, very funny article! The insolence of the amerikosov is unlimited!
              "Recently, Russia has been" openly and persistently "expanding its presence in the Black Sea region, building up its forces by introducing new ships into the fleet."
              What is the impudent American indignant at? The fact that Russia is in its sea ​​near своих coast creates a fleet to counter the attack?

              "According to the author, the Russian Navy does not have large ships and aircraft carriers, but there are 64 modern submarines, 85 corvettes and 55 patrol boats capable of creating a serious threat in the Black Sea for US and NATO ships capable of entering there ..."
              А why US and NATO ships to enter the Black Sea? After all, the Black Sea is closed to outsiders sea ​​and very far from the USA! You could even say the USA is on the other side of the Earth! Looking for an adventure on your butt around the globe? Oh well... laughing
              1. cniza
                cniza 20 May 2021 16: 53
                +4
                They are accustomed to commanding and prodding everyone, therefore they go all out, they feel that everything, their time is running out ...
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 59
                  -6
                  Quote: cniza
                  They are accustomed to commanding and prodding everyone, and therefore they go all out, I feel that everything, their time is running out ...


                  There are 8 million jobs in America.
                  The country is really on the rise of the economy.
                  And you bury her again and again.

                  Here one person wrote that the US pension funds have almost 100 trillion in savings. Pension savings and interest on them.
                  And all of you are trying to stretch the national debt, even if it is 30 trillion, on the fact that America will soon fall.
                  Yes, she does not even notice her duty.
                  Ordinary Americans live, buy houses on mortgages, trucks for 200 thousand dollars and work for them.
                  Ordinary Americans.
                  Would you like to watch the video blogs of ordinary Russian-speaking immigrants in the United States.
                  How they really live and how they really exist.

                  No one there even bothers with some kind of geoglobal problems.
                  But in our Russian communication - every second writes. that America is kirdyk and that he feels it, that just about ...
                  How do you feel?
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 20 May 2021 17: 02
                    +1
                    There are 8 million jobs in America.
                    The country is really on the rise of the economy.
                    And you bury her again and again.


                    Where do you see that I am burying them? I say that their sole power is coming to an end ...
                    1. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 20 May 2021 17: 14
                      -6
                      Quote: cniza
                      There are 8 million jobs in America.
                      The country is really on the rise of the economy.
                      And you bury her again and again.


                      Where do you see that I am burying them? I say that their sole power is coming to an end ...


                      I am very afraid, but everything goes to the point that their power will be undivided for many hundreds of years.
                      All these green projects about any kind of "decarbonization" of the world - leads to a total technological superiority of the West over the rest of the world, and in fact a ban on the technological development of those who do not fit into the "greenworld and decarbon" ...

                      Very profound consequences of modern "environmental protection".
                      They play this card very subtly ...
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 20 May 2021 17: 19
                        +2
                        Yes, here they can acquire additional leverage, but without China, and without Russia, they will no longer rule, and then India, Brazil are on the way ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 20 May 2021 18: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        All these green projects about any kind of "decarbonization" of the world - leads to a total technological superiority of the West over the rest of the world, and in fact a ban on the technological development of those who do not fit into the "greenworld and decarbon

                        But this is serious, but not the fact that they will get it the way they want.
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 20 May 2021 17: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Here one person wrote,

                    his nickname is not "Munchausen" by chance?
                    "CalPERS real estate investment totaled $ 35,3 billion, total assets - $ 267,5 billion.
                    However, good financial indicators do not allow the fund to reach an acceptable level of capital adequacy: over the year, the fund's assets to liabilities ratio grew by only 3 percent - up to 68 percent of the total volume of liabilities; in fact, the fund has a $ 112 billion hole in capital, the prospects of which are very dim to close.
                    Where? where are the trillions?
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 20 May 2021 18: 40
                      +3
                      Quote: poquello
                      in fact, the fund has a $ 112 billion hole in capital, the prospects of which are very dim to close. "
                      Where? where are the trillions?

                      There are enough holes, many where ... it's not in vain that the striped ones want to rip off countries that have REAL RESOURCES, and not paper savings!
                      By the way, this very much shows that it is NOT POSSIBLE to achieve by simply printing paper wrappers and providing jobs in the SPHERE of SERVICES, real, vital indicators !!!
                      Even a lemon of hairdressers, financiers, stock traders, officials, cannot compensate for the losses in the REAL SECTOR OF THE ECONOMY, PRODUCTION!
                      Printed candy wrappers do not chew ice, and you can buy NOT EVERYTHING for them! And then it will be even tougher !!!
                  3. rocket757
                    rocket757 20 May 2021 18: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Would you like to watch the video blogs of ordinary Russian-speaking immigrants in the United States.
                    How they really live and how they really exist

                    Are you looking at everyone and everything?
                    There is EVERYTHING there! Some smear it with oil, and others, oh, how they swear at their American life ...
                    Who are you for, who do you believe?
                    And in general, it is important for us as AT US, and there they can be on their own, on their own ...
                    By the way, we don't call them to us, like, get us orphaned and unhappy, and ours, who like to poke in that direction, are not interesting to us.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 20 May 2021 16: 17
          +4
          Empty chatter on a "fashionable" topic.
          1. cniza
            cniza 20 May 2021 16: 19
            +4
            Well, this is a throw-in from the United States, their specialist will not find on the Crimea map ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 20 May 2021 16: 25
              +5
              Those who are supposed to know where it is and what the situation is.
              They sit, keep quiet, because idle chatter is not about them.
              1. cniza
                cniza 20 May 2021 16: 50
                +3
                So they are for their inhabitants, they say, America is everyone, everywhere and always ...
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 20 May 2021 16: 17
        +4
        Quote: rocket757
        American edition: the Russian fleet can measure its strength with the USA and NATO in the Black Sea
        ... The question is ... who would dare to check it?

        The power is there, the mind is not needed! Only here a lot of factors are not taken into account by the Americans: courage, loyalty, ingenuity, and much more. They don't have it and they never will
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 May 2021 16: 23
          +2
          To say about the Yankees that they don't have anything like that .... is probably not worth it. They have those who are aware of everything that is needed ... this is like the last frontier, from the reckless, fatal actions of irresponsible politicians.
          Such people do not climb into the public, it is not customary for them.
          Politicians, business are one thing, but making decisions that can lead to disaster is another.
          So with them, so with us, so almost everywhere.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 41
          -4
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: rocket757
          American edition: the Russian fleet can measure its strength with the USA and NATO in the Black Sea
          ... The question is ... who would dare to check it?

          The power is there, the mind is not needed! Only here a lot of factors are not taken into account by the Americans: courage, loyalty, ingenuity, and much more. They don't have it and they never will


          Ever read the history of military operations of the countries of the world?

          Apparently not.
          I understand that patriotism, but patriotism based on one's own illiteracy, and deliberate belittling and underestimation of the enemy - leads to terrible defeats, up to "washing out entire nations and peoples from history, about which we now only know what they once were" ...
          1. frruc
            frruc 20 May 2021 18: 09
            +3
            SovAr238A
            Ever read the history of military operations of the countries of the world?

            In what big military battles and battles was the US Army noted?, Please remind me. Otherwise I can’t remember. Perhaps in the distant civil war of the north and south. And no one underestimates the enemy, I assure you, on the contrary.
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 20 May 2021 18: 44
            0
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Ever read the history of military operations of the countries of the world?

            Well, well, well, enlighten us uninformed about the great military operations that the Yankees carried out ???
            So, for example, compare with other battles in which the Yankees, there was nothing to do because of ...
      3. Anachoret
        Anachoret 20 May 2021 16: 30
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        American edition: the Russian fleet can measure its strength with the USA and NATO in the Black Sea
        ... The question is ... who would dare to check it?


        it was a diplomatic permission)
        USA commands, you can measure)
        Directly we will immediately bring 64 submarines, 85 corvettes and 55 patrol ships to the Black Sea and we will play like little children in the bathroom with NATO)
        we need at least a support point or a full-fledged base in Cuba or Venezuela) so that our anti-submarine technologies can be run in there too) there the water is clear and the conditions are favorable)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 20 May 2021 18: 51
          0
          Why arrange a competition of fleets in that ... limited water area ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
          She is shot through by the coastal systems, covered by aircraft up and down.
          Imported ships can only show a flag there and ... not speak, once again.
      4. frruc
        frruc 20 May 2021 17: 31
        +1
        According to the author, the Russian Navy has no large ships and aircraft carriers, but there are 64 modern submarines, 85 corvettes and 55 patrol boats that can pose a serious threat to US and NATO ships in the Black Sea.

        No ships or boats are needed. It will be enough to be escorted by coastal missile systems and then calmly sink to the bottom.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 20 May 2021 16: 11
    +2
    This is how we face off against the Americans in the Caribbean.
    The overwhelming advantage of us in the Black Sea, and mattresses in the Caribbean.
  3. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 20 May 2021 16: 13
    +3
    What nonsense. It has been known since the Second World War that the fleet cannot effectively resist a massive attack by military aircraft. Without air supremacy, the fleet is doomed to defeat, no matter who and what forces would not enter the Black Sea. At present, only the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Armed Forces can create such air supremacy in this region.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 30
      -7
      Quote: From Tomsk

      At present, only the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Armed Forces can create such air supremacy in this region.


      So I wanted to ask you in return - why are you talking about such nonsense?
      Look at the map.
      75% of the coastlines of the Black Sea are NATO countries and they sincerely sympathize (there are even more who want us to be defeated than the Americans and NATO members).


      NATO countries have combat aviation, which they can transfer to the zone of the potential Black Sea conflict - like carrots. 3 times more than ours.
      And airfields as well as dirt.


      Well, you at least the materiel of military affairs, study at least a little ... Look at the maps there, study the quantitative composition of aviation.
      1. Aleksandr97
        Aleksandr97 20 May 2021 16: 36
        +7
        Why were they ashamed to paint the Crimea in the color of Turkey ??? tongue
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 47
          -6
          Quote: Aleksandr97
          Why were they ashamed to paint the Crimea in the color of Turkey ??? tongue


          Sorry, I didn't see that the Crimea is still painted in Ukrainian - green ...
          But this does not change the essence.
          1. Aleksandr97
            Aleksandr97 20 May 2021 17: 08
            0
            Article 5 “The Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America will be regarded as an attack against them as a whole, and therefore agree that in the event such an armed attack takes place each of them, in exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the victimized Contracting Party, or the Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack, by the immediate implementation of such individual or joint action, which it considers necessary including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region. "
            A simple summation of the weapons and military equipment of NATO countries is hardly correct with regard to their probable participation in hostilities. Again, the opposition to the transfer of equipment is minimal through the destruction of runways and airfield infrastructure also needs to be taken into account.
          2. forester1971
            forester1971 20 May 2021 17: 43
            +1
            Sorry, I didn't see that the Crimea is still painted in Ukrainian - green ...
            But this does not change the essence.

            The fact that Crimea is Russia changes the state of affairs in the Black Sea region quite dramatically. In addition to additional airfields for aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, there are positions of coastal RKs, as well as air defense. And they almost completely cover the entire Black Sea.
            Or do you think that Crimea was returned only to sunbathe and swim on its beaches.
      2. From Tomsk
        From Tomsk 20 May 2021 17: 02
        +4
        Apparently, you know the materiel of military affairs less than mine. And explore at your leisure the Russian air defense system in the region. At least.
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 20 May 2021 19: 33
        0
        And what, all sorts of different kinds of enthusiasm were kindled to climb under our anti-aircraft systems? And there are enough of them there.
        By the way, the problem with airfields is solved once or twice, so no one will go there. From a distance, it's safer.
  4. Asad
    Asad 20 May 2021 16: 15
    0
    Tell me please, why would the adversaries go to the Black Sea at all? Also, ours will reach the Mediterranean.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 22
      -5
      Quote: ASAD
      Tell me please, why would the adversaries go to the Black Sea at all? Also, ours will reach the Mediterranean.


      How will our people "get it" - if we are surrounded in the Black Sea by NATO countries and their sympathizers?
      Are we going to fight all NATO countries alone?
      Even the Soviet Union could not afford this, and paid for all the armies of the Warsaw Pact in every possible way ...

      And here, another hat-shaper ...
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 20 May 2021 19: 09
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Are we going to fight all NATO countries alone?

        The times when dead Romanians were buried in piles near Voronezh are over, now they and others like them will die right in their homeland. And they know it. Here it is inappropriate to talk about shapkozakidatelstvo, the strategy of a modern war with a strong enemy, thank God, no one checked, because all parties know or assume how it will all end. There can be no talk of any NATO consolidation when you are threatened with total destruction. These "allies" will sit quietly in their holes, even if half of the NATO countries from which they will fly to us will be either responded or involuntarily destroyed.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 20 May 2021 20: 44
          -1
          Quote: kventinasd
          The times when dead Romanians were buried in piles near Voronezh are over

          As well as those times when the Romanians destroyed in 41-42. partisan movement in Crimea
  5. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 20
    +4
    According to the author, the Russian Navy does not have large ships and aircraft carriers, but there are 64 modern submarines, 85 corvettes and 55 patrol boats that can pose a serious threat to US and NATO ships in the Black Sea.


    Where did they get these numbers?
    What kind of news is this complete nonsense?
    1. smaug78
      smaug78 20 May 2021 16: 24
      0
      You are right, we have embellished our navies
  6. vavilon
    vavilon 20 May 2021 16: 23
    0
    In the event of an escalation, taking into account modern technologies, the strikes will most likely be applied not only to ships, but primarily to decision-making headquarters, and the Yankees behind the lake this time will not be able to sit out
  7. boris epstein
    boris epstein 20 May 2021 16: 23
    0
    And what has the NATO fleet generally forgotten in the Black Sea? This time. Aircraft carriers do not allow the Turks to pass through the straits. These are two. Not only warships of the Black Sea Fleet, but also coastal missile complexes and aviation will destroy the NATO fleet in the Black Sea. These are three. The NATO fleet in the Black Sea will get the ships of the Caspian Flotilla. These are four. Well, do not forget about the electronic warfare systems. It's five.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 37
      -3
      Quote: boris epstein
      And what has the NATO fleet generally forgotten in the Black Sea? This time. Aircraft carriers do not allow the Turks to pass through the straits. These are two. Not only warships of the Black Sea Fleet, but also coastal missile complexes and aviation will destroy the NATO fleet in the Black Sea. These are three. The NATO fleet in the Black Sea will get the ships of the Caspian Flotilla. These are four. Well, do not forget about the electronic warfare systems. It's five.


      Another lover of the spherical idea ...


      Are you going to "smash" the NATO fleet in the NATO sea?
      Indeed, in fact - this is the last 20 years - just like that.
      Turkey? to NATO (its fleet is seven times stronger than ours, and there are plenty of aviation)
      Romania, Bulgaria? to NATO (there is no fleet, but all its aviation, infrastructure, all its airfields and naval base will be provided for the rest of NATO members).
      Georgia and Ukraine? no, they are not in NATO, but they are worse than NATO ... they will provide everything, they will also lick the boots of the NATO members and whiten their anus - if only against Russia.

      So stop throwing propaganda into the masses.
      Learn the realities.
      The Black Sea is the NATO Sea!
      This will show you the usual geographical map, the composition of the armed forces.
      And the usual comparison.



      And yes.
      they also have coastal missile systems and aviation, which is many times larger than ours.
      But you probably don't know about it.
      In the training manuals, there is no team to write about this ...
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 20 May 2021 16: 44
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        The Black Sea is the NATO Sea!

        The Black Sea is the sea of ​​the Russian Federation. This is recognized even by the NATO military and is included in the A2 / AD zone of Russia according to their own classification.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 May 2021 16: 52
          -5
          Quote: vvvjak
          Quote: SovAr238A
          The Black Sea is the NATO Sea!

          The Black Sea is the sea of ​​the Russian Federation. This is recognized even by the NATO military and is included in the A2 / AD zone of Russia according to their own classification.


          Can I have an example of a confession document?

          The same declaration of Montreux states:
          Article 20
          In times of war, when Turkey is a belligerent, the provisions of Articles 10-18 will not apply; the passage of warships will depend solely on the discretion of the Turkish Government.

          And NATO is NATO. The Turks will fight.
          1. kot423
            kot423 20 May 2021 17: 06
            +2
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Article 20
            In times of war, when Turkey is a belligerent, the provisions of Articles 10-18 will not apply; the passage of warships will depend solely on the discretion of the Turkish Government.

            Don't give a damn, you don't take into account the capabilities of the missiles:
            “American ships will not be allowed here. The Bal and Bastion complexes completely cover the Black Sea. NI gave the correct analysis ", - explained Yuri Knutov."
            https://polit.info/541085-knutov-obyasnil-kak-rf-mozhet-zablokirovat-korablyam-ssha-vkhod-v-chernoe-more?utm_source=warfiles.ru
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 20 May 2021 17: 11
              -5
              Quote: kot423
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Article 20
              In times of war, when Turkey is a belligerent, the provisions of Articles 10-18 will not apply; the passage of warships will depend solely on the discretion of the Turkish Government.

              Don't give a damn, you don't take into account the capabilities of the missiles:
              “American ships will not be allowed here. The Bal and Bastion complexes completely cover the Black Sea. NI gave the correct analysis ", - explained Yuri Knutov."
              https://polit.info/541085-knutov-obyasnil-kak-rf-mozhet-zablokirovat-korablyam-ssha-vkhod-v-chernoe-more?utm_source=warfiles.ru


              Spherical horses again.
              Well, tell us why, for example, during the first attack on Baghdad, the first to fly were electronic warfare planes, armed with PRLR, as well as several dozen helicopters.
              Well, several hundred sabotage groups.
              First of all, they destroyed communication lines, power lines, generating sets, if possible.
              Blocked the work of the radar.
              Destroyed those radars, which nevertheless turned on.
              The next day they did the same.
              And only then, several tens of hours later, a massive invasion began.

              It was the same with Yugoslavia.

              So why do you think that NATO will "drill" against Russia without being puzzled by their usual preparation for a strike?

              Maybe just because you don't know military history?
              1. kot423
                kot423 20 May 2021 17: 14
                +3
                Quote: SovAr238A
                familiar to them, preparation for the blow?

                The key word is "familiar". Again, let me remind you of the doctrine - no one canceled a preemptive strike on airfields, etc., and comparing Russia with Baghdad and Yugoslavia is such a thing ...
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 20 May 2021 17: 18
                  -5
                  Quote: kot423
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  familiar to them, preparation for the blow?

                  The key word is "familiar". Again, let me remind you of the doctrine - no one canceled a preemptive strike on airfields, etc., and comparing Russia with Baghdad and Yugoslavia is such a thing ...


                  I remember the words of a marshal of one (of the Soviet Union) - who said that America would lose in Iraq.
                  I remember the words that NATO will lose in Yugoslavia.

                  How will you strike a preemptive strike?

                  On Turkish, Georgian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Hungarian, Czech, Greek, and other bases, including those fragments from Yugoslavia ...

                  Do we have such forces that we could strike a preemptive strike against 10 countries at once?
                  1. kot423
                    kot423 20 May 2021 17: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    We have such powers

                    Are you a high-ranking MoD official to say no?
                    There is a rule in nata and mattress: "unacceptable losses" :. That's why you had to start, and not puff up your cheeks, carrying delirium. Given our doctrine, the presence of all kinds of weapons (yao, high-precision, hyper, conventional, etc.) - nata and mattresses will break your head 100500 times before deciding on something.
                  2. bk0010
                    bk0010 21 May 2021 01: 11
                    0
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Do we have such forces that we could strike a preemptive strike against 10 countries at once?
                    One at a time - by state, but in full.
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 20 May 2021 20: 47
              -1
              Quote: kot423
              you do not take into account the missile capabilities:

              you take into account the possibilities:
              1. The United States is going to place its "Tomahawks" in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders. Anti-missile defense bases will appear in Poland and Romania.
              https://topwar.ru/163960-amerikanskie-rakety-v-polshe-i-rumynii-naceleny-na-rossiju-kak-nam-otvetit.html
              2.Aegis Ashore missile defense complex with American missile interceptors RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 (SM-3)
              https://topwar.ru/176023-na-chto-sposobny-amerikanskie-obekty-pro-v-rumynii-i-polshe-harakteristiki-i-potencialy.html
              ????????
              1. kot423
                kot423 20 May 2021 21: 45
                -1
                AND? Are you trying to surprise me with something? Subsonic tomahawks = it is easier and cheaper to shoot them down than over, hyper. They go by gps, which is jammed (or modified for hundreds of kilometers). Yes, there is (was) a stray to go according to the laid down map, but it is necessary to try to update them, and this time, + the mattresses are removed (changed) by the tracking satellites. Aegis? This is not the one who died on the cookie from electronic warfare? So you haven't convinced me.
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 21 May 2021 11: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: kot423
                  AND? Are you trying to surprise me with something? Subsonic tomahawks = it is easier and cheaper to shoot them down than over, hyper. They go by gps, which is jammed (or modified for hundreds of kilometers). Yes, there is (was) a stray to go according to the laid down map, but it is necessary to try to update them, and this time, + the mattresses are removed (changed) by the tracking satellites. Aegis? This is not the one who died on the cookie from electronic warfare? So you haven't convinced me.


                  If you are still convinced that a 5 kilowatt transmitter can "beat to death" a 6 megawatt Aegis, then you need to tangibly go to school ...

                  GPS is jammed only in a very limited radius.
                  Now it is no more than 5 kilometers.

                  Rockets go along several SN, in the absence of GPS signals, or their distortion, they go along the Terkom, along the reference points.
                  Maps are updated every 3-4 months - this is an ongoing, regular routine.
                  After updating the algorithm and technical base (it happened 3 years ago) - the calculation of the flight task and its loading into the rocket takes no more than 40 minutes.

                  It is extremely difficult to shoot down tomahawks - they go below 60 meters above the ground. Decreasing in flat areas up to 30 meters.

                  The only ones who shot down the tomahawks were the Iraqis, at one reference point, shooting in pursuit from MANPADS. Visually observing the missile flying overhead and firing at it.

                  I don’t remember any information that an Iraqi air defense missile system would have shot down a Tomahawk.
                  I did not see information that during any hostilities, any aircraft detected a flying Tomahawk and was able to intercept and destroy it.

                  So the whole underestimation of subsonic cruise missiles, be it Tomahawk or Caliber, is very wrong.

                  Just for the most modern air defense systems, it is precisely subsonic missile launchers flying at an ultra-low altitude, yet a more complex target than supersonic and hypersonic missiles that fly at high altitudes ...
        2. Aleksandr97
          Aleksandr97 20 May 2021 20: 16
          +2
          I support! Return the historically correct name RUSSIAN SEA on our maps !!!!! soldier
      2. kot423
        kot423 20 May 2021 16: 58
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        Learn the realities.

        Do not write nonsense about a horse in a spherical vacuum. Any attack in the black, Mediterranean, or even in any puddle is a war with all that it implies. You here crucify about the strength of Nata and mattresses - forgetting the new doctrine of Russia - to beat back, or preemptive to everything that is, up to nuclear weapons, and not only on the attacker, but also on mattresses in the first place (decision-making centers). Now turn on your brain and think - do you need nuclear ashes here (even if they have 1 ships, aircraft and coastal complexes)?
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 May 2021 17: 06
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          Quote: kot423
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Learn the realities.

          Do not write nonsense about a horse in a spherical vacuum. Any attack in the black, Mediterranean, or even in any puddle is a war with all that it implies. You here crucify about the strength of Nata and mattresses - forgetting the new doctrine of Russia - to beat back, or preemptive to everything that is, up to nuclear weapons, and not only on the attacker, but also on mattresses in the first place (decision-making centers). Now turn on your brain and think - do you need nuclear ashes here (even if they have 1 ships, aircraft and coastal complexes)?


          Do we need nuclear ashes?
          Well, what do you personally need?
          That your wife, your children, your grandchildren - everything burned down due to some kind of coastal conflict?

          Even if in Soviet times Khrushchev and Kennedy agreed to do without nuclear war, although in those years it would have been "relatively" with fewer consequences. than now.

          And yes.
          Did you know that during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Americans installed 32 rockets with 1,5 megaton charges in Okinawa. Just for Vladivostok.
          Including sobered many heads from Cuba.
          1. kot423
            kot423 20 May 2021 17: 11
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            Quote: SovAr238A
            Do we need nuclear ashes?
            Well, what do you personally need?

            The question is incorrect and you are leaving your own inflated topic.
            To me - no, but: 1. I'm not going to sit like a 404 "my hut on the edge". 2. The conversation is about an attack on the Russian fleet - I reminded you of the doctrine and the consequences. 3. In here, too, not a pan-headed sit, as in a mattress = discuss some hypothetical hnyu from Osborne, and even with a "smart look", as you - while forgetting the elementary things concerning this - there is nonsense about a horse in a spherical vacuum.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 20 May 2021 17: 25
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              Quote: kot423
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Do we need nuclear ashes?
              Well, what do you personally need?

              The question is incorrect and you are leaving your own inflated topic.
              To me - no, but: 1. I'm not going to sit like a 404 "my hut on the edge". 2. The conversation is about an attack on the Russian fleet - I reminded you of the doctrine and the consequences. 3. In here, too, not a pan-headed sit, as in a mattress = discuss some hypothetical hnyu from Osborne, and even with a "smart look", as you - while forgetting the elementary things concerning this - there is nonsense about a horse in a spherical vacuum.


              Suddenly ...
              How you turned everything upside down.
              At first, they themselves announced that we would strike with nuclear weapons, and then they turned over and changed their shoes on the fly, accusing me of avoiding my own inflated topic ...
              Troll, sweetie?
              Fatty!
              1. kot423
                kot423 20 May 2021 17: 27
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                Quote: SovAr238A
                First, they themselves said that we will strike with nuclear weapons

                Quote: SovAr238A
                hit back, or preemptive to everything that is, up to nuclear weapons

                And where did I say that nuclear weapons will certainly be used in the first turn?
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Troll, sweetie?
                Fatty!
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 21 May 2021 01: 11
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            Quote: SovAr238A
            Do we need nuclear ashes?
            Well, what do you personally need?
            Yes.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 20 May 2021 20: 48
          +2
          Quote: kot423
          or preemptive to all that is, up to nuclear weapons

          Do you believe in preemptive nuclear weapons? After all
          Quote: kot423
          ... in return ...
          the same will arrive
  8. smaug78
    smaug78 20 May 2021 16: 23
    +3
    Why should the US Navy enter the World Cup. he will do his job and from the Mediterranean ..
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 20 May 2021 16: 55
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      Likewise, the Russian navy, aviation and missile forces can do their job in the Mediterranean from the Black and Caspian Seas, and don't forget about Russian air defense and missile defense.
  9. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 20 May 2021 16: 30
    -1
    That's all they are haunted by the project of the Stalin Strait ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 20 May 2021 20: 49
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      That's all they are haunted by the project of the Stalin Strait ...

      Where is this strait?
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 May 2021 16: 56
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    85 corvettes - where did God send so many? In the Russian Sea, there are hopes for coastal missile systems, because our fleet there, as elsewhere, is still very weak, to be honest.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 20 May 2021 17: 08
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    How dare these brazen Russians confront NATO in the Black Sea - the beacon of freedom and democracy in the world? laughing laughing laughing
  12. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 May 2021 18: 30
    +3
    * The US Navy is three times the size of the Russian Navy, but Russia can compete against the US and NATO in the Black Sea. This is the conclusion reached by the author *
    In my provincial opinion, the author came to the correct conclusion.
    Bo, be at least eight times the size of the U.S. Navy ...
    How will this help him in the Black Sea?
    Then take out the sunken vessels. In order not to interfere with shipping ...
    We don't have * Communes * ...
    It must be understood that any more or less serious NATO steamer entering the water area is immediately taken to be escorted by the coast and the sea.
    I think the capitalists understand this very well. hi
  13. Adimius38
    Adimius38 20 May 2021 18: 37
    +1
    Well, here, to be more precise, not only the fleet is involved, but also the coastal defense and aviation. An easy walk here will definitely not be even despite the number of NATO ships that may be pulled into the Black Sea. In general, the author is disingenuous, everything that he has listed is not in the Black Sea, and certainly there are no 85 Russian corvettes and 64 submarines in the Black Sea. This is the entire fleet and it is scattered across different fleets. But if we compare the Black Sea fleet of 2008 and now, things are definitely better.
  14. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 20 May 2021 20: 05
    +1
    This idiet has forgotten about the coastal defense of Russia.
  15. Zhenya Khazarsky
    Zhenya Khazarsky 20 May 2021 22: 56
    +1
    According to the author, there are no large ships in service with the Russian Navy ...


    Eagles with Atlanteans choked somewhere wink
  16. zwlad
    zwlad 21 May 2021 09: 21
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    but the rest of the American navy is stronger.

    Who would doubt American exceptionalism.
  17. Outsider
    Outsider 21 May 2021 15: 33
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    Quote: cniza
    There are 8 million jobs in America.
    The country is really on the rise of the economy.
    And you bury her again and again.

    Where do you see that I am burying them? I say that their sole power is coming to an end ...

    - Of course it does. Soon all power in the world will pass to China. And then Americanophobes, shedding burning tears, will remember the blessed time when the United States was the world gendarme ... lol
  18. 1536
    1536 21 May 2021 16: 32
    +1
    Indicative in this regard is the history of the Spanish "Invincible Armada", which consisted of 130 ships, but was defeated in the attack on the British coast in 1588 by the English fleet due to its sluggishness. But when the English fleet decided to attack the Spanish coast, it in turn was defeated.
    You can also talk about the glorious victories of F.F. Ushakova, P.S. Nakhimov, who had a much smaller number of ships than the enemy had, led Russia to glorious victories at sea in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries.
    In the 1941th century, there were also great admirals in Soviet Russia. For example, N. Kuznetsov - People's Commissar of the USSR Navy. It was he who strengthened the fleet on the eve of the German attack on the USSR in XNUMX. And on the eve of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, he gave the order to bring ships and naval aviation into combat readiness, which allowed the Soviet fleet to avoid losses on the first day of the war and to give the Germans a worthy rebuff.
    So the Americans, in my opinion, risk not reading in some XXII century about the victories of the Russian fleet in the XXI century, if they finally decide to commit aggression against the Russian Crimea or in the Baltic, or in the Pacific Ocean, or near Arkhangelsk (favorite point the British invasion of Russia). Others will read.