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"The problem is not in the aircraft carriers, but in the planes": the Chinese media about the weaknesses of the Russian fleet

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"The problem is not in the aircraft carriers, but in the planes": the Chinese media about the weaknesses of the Russian fleet

Currently, the only aircraft-carrying ship of the Russian Navy is the Admiral Kuznetsov, which began service in 1991. He is expected to return to the squad in the coming years. fleet after the completion of the overhaul. But how useful is it for the Russian Navy, especially compared to the role played by American aircraft carriers in the US Navy?


They tried to answer this question in the Chinese edition of Eastday. As indicated, the ship's tonnage, the number of aircraft on board, and a number of other characteristics make it similar to the American aircraft carriers. However, "Admiral Kuznetsov" is much inferior to them in combat potential.

The main problem is not with [Russian] aircraft carriers, but with aircraft. The Su-33, despite its superior combat effectiveness, has unstable takeoff and landing characteristics.

- is considered in the Chinese edition, indicating weak, in the opinion of the author, places in the Russian fleet.

In addition, the Russian aircraft carrying pennant is not able to take on board relatively heavy support aircraft, such as AWACS, tankers, and electronic warfare aircraft.

At the same time, the carrier-based fighter aviation China itself is represented by the J-15 aircraft, which was created after careful study of the Su-33 prototype purchased in Ukraine. Although a number of observers in the PRC object to the claims of copying the Su-33, claiming a complete upgrade of the equipment and armament of the vehicle. At the same time, the J-15 itself can hardly be called a carrier-based fighter with undeniable combat effectiveness. But the Chinese media decided not to mention this.

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  1. lucul
    lucul 20 May 2021 19: 29
    +1
    The main problem is not with [Russian] aircraft carriers, but with aircraft. The Su-33, despite its superior combat effectiveness, has unstable takeoff and landing characteristics.

    Its dimensions and weight are large, yes)))
    The more composites are introduced into its airframe, the less weight will be, and the lower the specific load on the wing, and the better the takeoff and landing characteristics of the Su-33 will be.)))
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 20 May 2021 19: 58
      +7
      We will also hopefully wait for the ship version of the Su-57.

      And here it will be possible to talk about new aircraft carriers, the project of which will already be decided by our Ministry of Defense by that time. For aircraft carriers are a synthesis and synergy between ships and aircraft. And it is better if they are optimally compatible from the outset.
      1. lucul
        lucul 20 May 2021 20: 04
        -5
        We will also hopefully wait for the ship version of the Su-57.

        Yes, it has a good (low) wing loading.
        For aircraft carriers are a synthesis and synergy between ships and aircraft.

        It’s just bezishodnosti. The main disadvantage of the aircraft is its low operating range caused by the limitation on the amount of fuel, which in turn is caused by the inefficiency (low efficiency) of the engine.
        As soon as a new aircraft engine is invented, which will not have such fuel restrictions, the aircraft carriers will disappear like battleships.
        Indeed, if the aircraft has a combat radius of 10 km and a speed of 000 km / h, then a floating airfield (maintenance) is not really needed.
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 20 May 2021 20: 39
          +6
          Quote: lucul
          As soon as a new aircraft engine is invented, which will not have such fuel restrictions, the aircraft carriers will disappear like battleships.
          Indeed, if the aircraft has a combat radius of 10 km and a speed of 000 km / h, then a floating airfield (maintenance) is not really needed.

          Such aircraft engines (powerful and super-efficient) are now impossible. In addition, overflight in the airspace of other countries (overflight permission) fundamentally limits the operation of aviation from its territory.
          1. lucul
            lucul 20 May 2021 20: 52
            +1
            Such aircraft engines (powerful and super-efficient) are now impossible.

            It was once thought that it was impossible to invent anything more complicated than a steam engine.
            In addition, overflight in the airspace of other countries (overflight permission) fundamentally limits the operation of aviation from its territory.

            Everything rests on the height - no one makes a claim to flying satellites.
            1. ugol2
              ugol2 20 May 2021 21: 22
              +17
              Quote: lucul
              It was once thought that it was impossible to invent anything more complicated than a steam engine.

              Throughout its history, mankind has come up with 3 types of engines - steam, internal combustion engine and jet. Also electric, of course. And due to the fact that 50 years ago the main scientific thought turned to the road of virtuality / computerization, nothing new from the field of "hardware" is expected in the near future. You won't have any flying saucers.
              A refrigerator with three Zetta bytes of RAM will be, but there will be no plates
              1. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 21 May 2021 07: 26
                +2
                Quote: ugol2
                A refrigerator with three Zetta bytes of RAM will be, but there will be no plates

                And the iron with wai fay? laughing
                1. sifgame
                  sifgame 21 May 2021 12: 32
                  +2
                  well, there are teapots that interfere with the iron
                  1. KLV
                    KLV 22 May 2021 09: 46
                    0
                    Well, there are teapots. What is stopping the iron?
              2. geniy
                geniy 21 May 2021 09: 41
                -2
                [/ quote] Mankind in its entire history has come up with 3 types of engines - steam, internal combustion engine and jet [quote]

                You don't seem to know anything at all! Because in addition to steam and conventional internal combustion engines, and a jet
                in fact, even the jet is subdivided into several fundamentally different types. Firstly, liquid-jet is one thing, and turbo-jet is quite another. And there is also a pulsating air-jet and a direct-flow air jet. The steam engine is also divided into two fundamentally different types: piston and steam turbine. And there is also an external combustion engine - Stirling. And among the internal combustion engines - this is both a gasoline and a diesel engine. And personally, I am going to make an adiabatic engine. And besides the piston ICE, I hope to create a Rotary engine - there are several types of them and the Wankel is just one of them. And that's not saying anything about electric motors, and atomic ones. Not even stuttering about photon engines.
              3. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 21 May 2021 20: 56
                0
                The topic slipped through that we had made a nuclear engine and weapons based on it. The principle of operation is very interesting to know, or is the working fluid heated again by a nuclear reaction?
        2. Avior
          Avior 20 May 2021 21: 18
          0
          if such aircraft, with a cruising speed of 4000 km per hour appear, then aircraft carriers will be needed all the more - they will almost instantly provide aviation in the theater of operations
          1. sifgame
            sifgame 21 May 2021 12: 36
            0
            By that time, the aircraft carriers themselves will dissect the vastness of the oceans at a speed of 1000 km / h)))
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 May 2021 16: 43
              0
              Quite possible:))
          2. husband
            husband 21 May 2021 14: 23
            -3
            There is already such a thing. Starship from SpaceX. He took off in somewhere in Altai, the first step sat back. The lead ship went to the target, the coordinates of which were established by the satellite constellation. It can be lighter and smaller than the starship and carry a swarm of unmanned vehicles, powerful radar and hypersonic missiles. The entire air raid will be completed in half an hour and then the flight back to base.



            There is one "but" in this. The current cult of ignorance in our country.
        3. Maikcg
          Maikcg 21 May 2021 00: 07
          +6
          And the price is not even by the weight of gold, but by the weight of diamonds. And all the same, 2.5 hours to fly or 7,5 minutes (let's say the avik crawled up to the enemy for 500 km), the pilots from the avik will be cheerful and full of fuel in case of trouble, and the pilots from the base are tired and with half-empty tanks, and yet still fly back ...
        4. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 21 May 2021 13: 22
          +2
          if the aircraft has a combat radius of 10 km and a speed of 000 km / h

          I'm sorry, but I remembered the saying about grandmother and what would happen to her if ...
          And teleportation is even cooler. Imagine, a funnel appears in the sky over the White House and the red-star Su-57 with Daggers fly out of it and give everyone ...
          In the meantime, let's discuss what we have and the technologies that we have.
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 20 May 2021 20: 06
        +9
        The game is not worth it yet .. the capacity of the "Kuznetsov" is scanty, the functionality is dubious, given the size of the orders for the Su-57 - it seems to me that the "Kuznetsov" will be written off rather than the ship version will have time for it. I don’t see much sense for it, we will find out for promising aircraft carrier projects at least in 2024. So far, I am more inclined to believe that if there are any progress in this direction, it will not be until the end of the 2020s.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 20 May 2021 20: 28
          +8
          Undoubtedly, it is necessary first of all to modernize the existing Su and Migi, and to talk about the deadening of the Su-57 only with at least more aircraft carriers in service.
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 20 May 2021 20: 58
            +4
            it was necessary at one time to develop the VTOL theme of the Yak-141 type. It seems to me that it is more obviously profitable to launch such aircraft from ultra-short runways. no wonder the striped has a corresponding modification of the penguin
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 20 May 2021 21: 05
        +3
        AV is, first of all, supply vessels and bases. as everywhere -10% ceremonial flights and 90% opa in soap.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 20 May 2021 21: 52
      -1
      the problem is not that the planes are bad, but that the aircraft carrier has no missions in Russia
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 21 May 2021 01: 17
        0
        Quote: vladimir1155
        the problem is not that the planes are bad, but that the aircraft carrier has no missions in Russia

        What are the missions of the US aircraft carriers? Name such tasks directly so that there are no doubts - Americans know how to count money!
        1. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 21 May 2021 13: 39
          0
          What are the missions of the US aircraft carriers?

          Well, if in one word - then expeditionary. Autonomous action at a great distance from the main bases. This, to put it mildly, is not related to the defense of the Motherland, but rather the opposite.
          Therefore, if we are not going to share the world with the United States, then most likely we do not really need aircraft carriers. It's really expensive and troublesome. Setting aside ambition, it’s possible to inflict unacceptable damage in a cheaper way. If the oligarchs suddenly decide to share, then we can acquire such pribluda. But eio is unlikely, from the field of teleportation.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 22 May 2021 00: 31
            0
            Quote: Souchastnik
            Well, if in one word - then expeditionary. Autonomous action at a great distance from the main bases.

            And how is this justified economically? Why won't the same tasks pay off for our aircraft carriers?

            Quote: Souchastnik
            This, to put it mildly, is not connected with the defense of the Motherland, but rather the opposite.

            Are you aware that the Americans are not defending their homeland, but their national interests? If Russia defends its national interests, are they really so financially insolvent that they won't pay off a couple of three aircraft carriers?
            Quote: Souchastnik
            Therefore, if we are not going to share the world with the United States, then most likely we do not really need aircraft carriers. It's really expensive and troublesome.

            And if we are going to share the world with the Americans, will we need aircraft carriers? Or so, if we have aircraft carriers, will we be able to claim the division of the world?

            Quote: Souchastnik
            Setting aside ambition, it is possible to inflict unacceptable damage in a cheaper way.

            And why should it, unacceptable damage, be inflicted if the Americans do not attack us? They will simply overwhelm everyone with their aircraft carriers for communicating with us, and Russia will wither away alone. If they stop buying weapons, oil / gas, grain from us, and in general they will stop trading with us, they will not give loans, they will not even talk, ambassadors will be recalled, the borders will be closed, then what?
            1. Souchastnik
              Souchastnik 24 May 2021 09: 09
              0
              And if we are going to share the world with the Americans

              Good luck in your endeavors.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 24 May 2021 22: 43
                0
                Quote: Souchastnik
                Good luck in your endeavors.

                It was a question.
                Beginnings are not mine, but the process is already underway.
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 21 May 2021 16: 52
          -1
          Quote: bot.su
          What are the missions of the US aircraft carriers?

          the tasks of the US aircraft carriers are aggression against small, poorly armed states with the aim of plundering their resources and turning their population into impoverished slaves, spreading hunger of death and tears
          Quote: bot.su
          Americans know how to count money!

          The US Federal Reserve prints astronomical amounts of unsecured money, forcing the whole world to use it and receives share premium from global inflation, the US government receives some of this money in the form of non-repayable loans from the US Federal Reserve, and may contain aircraft carriers ... intended to punish those small banana countries who do not want to use the dollar and pay emission tax to private owners of the US Federal Reserve. Russia does not have such a loan, and has no purpose to spread rot around the world, Russia does not need an aircraft carrier.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 22 May 2021 00: 08
            +1
            Quote: vladimir1155
            the tasks of the US aircraft carriers are aggression against small, poorly armed states with the aim of plundering their resources and turning their population into impoverished slaves, spreading hunger of death and tears

            And what are the last ... well, let's say the five countries punished in this way?
            Quote: vladimir1155
            The US Federal Reserve prints unsecured money in astronomical amounts,

            Quote: vladimir1155
            Russia does not have such a loan,

            What prevents us from doing the same? What prevents France, Germany, China from doing the same? After all, why can't Zimbabwe print money to at least have enough money for food?
            Quote: vladimir1155
            Russia does not have such a loan, and has no purpose to spread rot around the world, Russia does not need an aircraft carrier.

            This is how you decided for the leadership of Russia? Sorry, Vladimir Vladimirovich, I didn't recognize you in makeup!
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 22 May 2021 06: 59
              -1
              Quote: bot.su
              And what are the last ... well, let's say the five countries punished in this way?

              Belarus Syria Libya South Ossetia Iraq Serbia
            2. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 22 May 2021 07: 26
              -2
              Quote: bot.su
              What prevents us from doing the same? What prevents France, Germany, China from doing the same? After all, why can't Zimbabwe print money to at least have enough money for food?

              you can print it, but the world will not use them, all the listed countries are totally controlled by the world behind the scenes, like Russia, through the international organizations of the IMF, WTO, Unicef, Soros Foundation, Gates Foundation, Committee of 300, Bilderberg Club, etc. large financial and industrial groups control the world and directly because they can give loans or not, they set at their own discretion prices for gas, oil, metals, food, through TNC lobbyists who give money to politicians (presidents, parliamentarians,) for elections and eliminating those who are not obedient (for example, US President Kennedy was killed just a week after his idea to nationalize the US FRS) If you bought an apartment on a mortgage, then part of your apartment already belongs to the US FRS and the US FRS now, according to a law diligently made for her, can expel you outside.. . the world is ruled by a lot of money and they buy everything from the head of the committee on legislation of this or that parliament, to the minister, to Hollywood and the Internet through which the thoughts of the population are controlled, supposedly spontaneous rallies and color revolutions of the intoxicated masses are organized in those countries whose governments are not something pleased the US Federal Reserve and its private owners ... President De Gaulle was first wanted to be killed for sending paper dollars to the US in exchange for gold, and then De Gaulle was overthrown by the hands of students drugged with propaganda .... who killed Hugo Chavez and Maduro? Who killed General Rokhlin? Prosecutor General Skuratov's gene? who gave Colonel Kvachkov 10 years for attempting a coup with crossbows? (compare to just 1 year in bulk for large-scale theft) what is Zimbabwe? Russia under the heel of a colonialist, we pay tribute to the Americans in the form of offshore freedom and "sovereign" funds, we send a third of GDP to the United States ...., we abolish pensions at the behest of the IMF, we "voluntarily" cancel export duties on resources and increase the tax burden on Russians, we are diligently destroying our industry and agriculture through tax and legislative lawlessness, just recently the Russian Federation agreed to increase its tribute to its American master through environmental fees, but how does the Russian Federation finance the fascists in Ukraine? do we supply them gas and diesel fuel for free so that they can bomb the Donbass? .... and you mean AB .... about an independent currency, okstyte! The Russian Federation does not have the right to print money as it wants, the ruble is a simulacrum, supposedly the currency, those few cents that are legally in the vaults of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, this is a legally dependent currency without the right to issue, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not belong to the Russian Federation ... and you are in Africa gathered at AB ... not funny.
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 22 May 2021 10: 05
                +1
                The Internet was carried out to the psychiatric hospital !? belay
  2. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 20 May 2021 19: 36
    +12
    All the same, the SU 27 is a very beautiful aircraft.
    1. BABAY22
      BABAY22 20 May 2021 19: 47
      +16
      And we don't keep bad people at all
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 20 May 2021 20: 38
      +5
      Quote: ssergey1978
      All the same, the SU 27 is a very beautiful aircraft.

      Everything beautiful flies well
  3. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 20 May 2021 19: 49
    +15
    And what's wrong - the Su-33 took into account all the shortcomings that were in the previous model of the carrier-based fighter. The front and main landing gear of the Su-33 are reinforced and have special technical units for ship towing and mooring. The front support has become telescopic and two-wheeled, can be rotated 60 degrees. This turning of the wheels increased the maneuverability of the aircraft on the deck of the aircraft carrier. Also, the pressure in the wheels of the fighter was increased, the vertical tail height was significantly reduced, the quality of the wings during takeoff and landing was improved, this could be achieved by increasing the wing area. In general, the Su-33 is the longest and most powerful ship-based fighter in the world.
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 May 2021 20: 21
      -1
      And what is wrong there - in the Su-33, all the shortcomings that were in the previous model of the carrier-based fighter were taken into account.

      which model is it in?
    2. Runoway
      Runoway 20 May 2021 23: 34
      +2
      And what is wrong there - in the Su-33

      There was an article on VO during the campaign in the SAR that the avionics on aircraft are older than the ancient ones (from sighting complexes to radar stations), and in fact losing several aircraft due to an air finisher is of course ..........
  4. t-12
    t-12 20 May 2021 19: 53
    +5
    The problem is in aircraft carriers (only one piece, and then in repair), and in airplanes (we need inexpensive, unobtrusive drones), and in the escort fleet (there is essentially none), and in supply bases (they are not there either), and in sailors with pilots (who lose experience without going to sea).
  5. iouris
    iouris 20 May 2021 19: 57
    +4
    The problem is always money (or rather, lack of money).
    1. lucul
      lucul 20 May 2021 20: 07
      -4
      The problem is always money (or rather, lack of money).

      In football, they usually say this - you play the way your opponent allows you.
      So it is here - Russia lives as the enemy allows it.
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 21 May 2021 13: 43
        -1
        In football, they usually say this

        So go play football ...
    2. bayard
      bayard 20 May 2021 23: 39
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      The problem is always money (or rather, lack of money).

      Who - who, but Russia has no money problems from the word at all.
      A chronically surplus budget (budget revenues ALWAYS exceed expenditures), a huge money-box of $ 600 billion. and a huge part of the economy does not pay taxes AT ALL - request offshore.
      The problem is the lack of CONSCIENCE.
      And mind.
      A tenth of that same "reserve pod" is enough to rebuild a full-fledged aircraft carrier fleet. of 6 aircraft carriers and escort ships, air wings for them and basic infrastructure.
      Tell me, do you need 10% of this egg-box if we still don't have a Fleet?
      If to this day we do not have AWACS, PLO aircraft, because of greed and stupidity, there are still no new VTA Il-76MD90A aircraft ... Due to stupidity and greed, the existing MAPLs pr. 971 -... have not been repaired. they simply "did not find the money" ...
      But there is money for the monstrously expensive and suboptimal Ash trees, and they do not spare them.
      Last year, the government "saved" 1 TRILLION rubles from the budget, without spending it on social benefits and development programs of the country ... This money was allocated in order to SPEND it on the goals necessary for the state and society, but it was NOT SPENDED!
      SAVED them.
      And this 1 trillion would be enough for the construction of TWO nuclear-powered aircraft carriers of the "Storm" type in the amount of 100 tons. displacement.
      The amount needed to build two nuclear supercarriers is simply ... saved by careless officials in ONE year.
      And the amount spent on one Winter Olympics, which everyone has long forgotten, is equal to the cost of building 6 (SIX!) Such aircraft carriers and full air wings for them.
      The FIFA World Cup was also worth about that ...

      So tell me what our state lacks?
      Exactly, is it money ?!
      Or is it all the same of MIND, HONOR and CONSCIENCE?
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 May 2021 00: 25
        0
        I remembered :)

        hi
      2. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 21 May 2021 13: 51
        0
        So tell me what our state lacks?

        This is for you, my friend, to the barricades. Or in "Doom-2".
        And the state does not have enough honest and competent (or competent and honest) managers and specialists, it still lacks technology, production capacity and even little things.
        1. bayard
          bayard 21 May 2021 15: 00
          0
          Quote: Souchastnik
          This is for you, my friend, to the barricades

          This was just not enough for us. On one of the fragments of the Empire and the Russian World, the barricades have already been brought to Bandera.
          Quote: Souchastnik
          Or in "Doom-2".

          Never indulged in such.
          Quote: Souchastnik
          And the state does not have enough honest and competent (or competent and honest) leaders and specialists

          On the other hand, there were heaps of officials and defective managers, twice as many as in the Soviet Union on just one stub of the Great Empire.
          Quote: Souchastnik
          there is still not enough technology, production capacity and even little things.

          But this is just a profitable business. There would be desire and RESPONSIBILITY for the assigned work.
  6. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 20 May 2021 20: 02
    +6
    aircraft carriers will be. everything has its time. but this is not a priority task for today.
  7. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 May 2021 20: 25
    +1
    Yes, no!
    I allowed myself to disagree with the Chinese partners.
    If there is no aircraft carrier, then what should the airplanes be sharpened / pilots trained for?
    China there with Japan, butts with other hemorrhoids.
    RF with whom ?!
    Covering submarines in positions? So as long as AV is built ... Fifty years somehow provided access to the sea.
    Moreover, the open sky seems to have been banned now.
    Already a bonus!
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 May 2021 20: 51
    +1
    As I understand it, during the discussion on our new aircraft carriers, we will have them only if they create a new carrier-based aircraft. All costs are considered, the aircraft carrier itself, the shipyard and aviation.
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 20: 55
      +3
      The fact is that the discussion has been going on for years and nothing is clear to this day)
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 20 May 2021 21: 04
        +1
        At least, problems have emerged that need to be solved and how much it will cost. There is an understanding that it is necessary to equip the basing site, it will not be on the roadstead, driving the reactor over itself. A nuclear aircraft carrier from scratch is very expensive, and one will not do the same.
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 21: 10
          +2
          The problems are clear, the concept of application is also, as I understand it, in the range, there are several basing options. But since there is no definition, there is no solution, and therefore there is an answer to the question (what, where, when and how), that's what I want to say.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 20 May 2021 21: 25
            +2
            They are afraid to waste that kind of money, maybe it is necessary to first build a fleet of the oceanic zone? There are bases, but where to build?
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 21: 35
              +3
              Smart men with VO broadcast that in addition to the Star, there is an option at the shipyards of Leningrad. Well, about money, there is a long and sad story, I don't even want to discuss it, otherwise I will be upset and so the operation next week. Do not blame me)
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 21 May 2021 00: 12
                +2
                Successful operation, health. The most important thing is not to wind yourself up, everything will be fine. Even during our lifetime, the aircraft carrier Major General Apakidze Timur Avtandilovich will be laid down! We will wait all together !!! soldier
  9. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 20: 54
    +4
    > has unstable takeoff and landing characteristics

    A sudden revelation, a hack from the PRC checked it himself and never deceives, never.

    > declaring a complete renovation of the equipment and armament of the vehicle.

    Oh, that changes things.
  10. Drugov
    Drugov 20 May 2021 21: 05
    +2
    So what is the "deep" meaning of this article? Is that some kind of Chinese, what is it that thinks there? Dear editors, stop turning the still respected publication into a yellow-haired merchant of second freshness sturgeon.
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 21: 37
      +1
      The fact that if you do not discuss foreign opinions, a vast field of discussion is lost, at least. Even the devil has a right to be heard, remember? You got excited about the trader, all such traders would be interesting b)
      1. Drugov
        Drugov 20 May 2021 21: 44
        +2
        Of course, you need to pay attention to articles with serious content and deep analysis, but forgive me in this case, we have a libel "nothing". In addition to the fact that hunghuz thinks that Su 33 is bullshit, there is nothing else. What is this opinion based on? Statistics, technical characteristics, expert opinion, raid data, etc., etc. This is not, he just does not like something, period.
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 22: 03
          +1
          Okay, then, probably, you should suggest which PRC publications to pay attention to, in this context, and which not.
          The only thing is that RF technology is often negatively covered in the same NI, what are we going to do, also ignore? Personally, the opinion of this fool only smiled at me, there are few such opinions here, I took it as a moment of humor, to be honest)
          1. Drugov
            Drugov 20 May 2021 22: 13
            +1
            I will skip an attempt to pick me up by hinting at my competencies, or rather their absence in the field of research in Asian or world media on the topic of militarization and military about a thousand, I will skip past, because I think that specialists should be engaged in such an analysis and they receive a salary for this, and if these experts want to amuse its readers, it would not hurt to mark such "works" with notes like "a minute of humor" and then there will be no negative attitude towards such materials.
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 23: 08
              0
              Negative thinking imposes such harmful thoughts on you. I didn’t tease and didn’t expect to make a list of handshakes. The term joke is probably familiar to you?) Thinking in the head, in which direction we direct, we will experience such emotions. The Chinese fool from the article only causes a smile, well, smile, there is a lot of interesting information on VO to be upset about this all, well, really.
              And about the mark, here, you know, you can send a rational proposal to the administration of the resource, how are you going to do it?
              1. Drugov
                Drugov 20 May 2021 23: 46
                0
                I'm afraid such a rac proposal may cause a wave of criticism, because as you say, everyone's brain is different, and therefore, for someone, perhaps this opus will be a very entertaining and meaningful work. The initiative, as you know, is punishable))
                1. Victor Tsenin
                  Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 23: 51
                  0
                  No, it is not punishable when an individual correctly describes his point of view, in the sense that a layman or a conditional customer is trying to impose his point of view, and you need your own. A thinking person knows what, to whom, when and how to do it. Well, and the fact that your mood has improved, I am sincerely glad) Without sarcasm and other nonsense, well, we will enjoy it further)
  11. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 20 May 2021 21: 49
    +3
    The point of restoring and maintaining the Kuzi in working order is only one thing - to preserve carrier-based aircraft as a class. This does not mean airplanes, but pilots who will not lose their experience and pass it on to the new generation.
    Talking now about the Russian aircraft carrier, when we do not have enough banal destroyer frigates in the entire fleet, is nothing more than discussing the physical properties of a spherical horse.
    First, you need to solve the problems with propulsion systems for destroyers, rivet them in the right amount, and then think about who to give them under protection.
  12. Fedor M
    Fedor M 21 May 2021 00: 55
    0
    Here's the thing, the Russian Navy has no problem with missiles. This is what our partners need to be concerned about.
  13. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 21 May 2021 02: 00
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    Quote: lucul
    We will also hopefully wait for the ship version of the Su-57.

    Yes, it has a good (low) wing loading.
    For aircraft carriers are a synthesis and synergy between ships and aircraft.

    It's just out of desperation. The main disadvantage of the aircraft is its low operating range caused by the limitation on the amount of fuel, which in turn is caused by the inefficiency (low efficiency) of the engine.
    As soon as a new aircraft engine is invented, which will not have such fuel restrictions, the aircraft carriers will disappear like battleships.
    Indeed, if the aircraft has a combat radius of 10 km and a speed of 000 km / h, then a floating airfield (maintenance) is not really needed.

    The presence of the AUG indicates an offensive doctrine. All "hot spots" of the planet are located near Russia.
    Are aircraft carriers so invulnerable in modern conditions?
  14. Kelwin
    Kelwin 21 May 2021 03: 22
    +1
    Yes, actually not a question - go in and see how the deck tonnage decides. When two links 31x plow half of the country, sue. hi
  15. DLord
    DLord 21 May 2021 03: 25
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    It's time to rename the site to "aircraft carrier review"
  16. amr
    amr 21 May 2021 06: 36
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    Quote: bayard
    So tell me what our state lacks?
    Exactly, is it money ?!
    Or is it all the same of MIND, HONOR and CONSCIENCE?

    can self-reliance?
  17. Martian
    Martian 21 May 2021 09: 08
    +1
    Aircraft carriers of Russia and the hell are not needed ..... There are no tasks and attendants for their maintenance. China needs it - it will spill the Pacific Ocean, bend it over ...
  18. gurzuf
    gurzuf 21 May 2021 12: 02
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    It seems to me that I am not an expert who will correct the topic, all these Chinese lamentations about our fighters rather as potential competitors for export, and not about LTH.
  19. wow
    wow 21 May 2021 12: 29
    +1
    Well, what kind of Chinese cow would bellow ...!?
  20. ramzay21
    ramzay21 22 May 2021 07: 23
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    The Chinese bought our unfinished Varyag, bought our Su 33, lured away personnel who had lost their jobs from Nikolaev, and as a result they have our former Varyag, another exactly the same aircraft carrier, and their first nuclear aircraft carrier is almost ready. They have competent leaders, they can only be envied.