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Russian front-line bombers Su-34 will cover the Northern Sea Route

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Russian front-line bombers will cover the Northern Sea Route; the decision to deploy these aircraft at Arctic airfields has already been made.


The military department will place a squadron of Su-34 in the Arctic, they will be deployed on the Franz Josef Land archipelago and the New Siberian Islands. Airfields "Nagurskaya" on the land of Alexandra and "Temp", located on Kotelny Island, are preparing for the deployment of aircraft. Currently, the necessary infrastructure is being prepared for the bombers, including the construction of closed warm hangars. In addition, parking lots for Il-78 tanker aircraft are envisaged, which will have to provide combat duty for the Su-34.

According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, which were shared with us "News", citing sources in the military, it is planned that the Su-34 will enhance the capabilities of the combat aviation in the Arctic. It is assumed that front-line bombers will be able to conduct patrols, reconnaissance and strike at ground and sea targets, covering the Northern Sea Route.

In March of this year, it was reported that the Ministry of Defense had made a decision to test the Su-34, Su-35 and Be-200 in Arctic conditions. To this end, Su-34s were sent to the Arctic from the Shagol airfield in the Chelyabinsk region, the Be-200 was tested on Franz Josef Land, but there has been no information about the Su-35 so far.

Note that the Ministry of Defense pays great attention to strengthening Russia's position in the Arctic. To date, most of the northern airfields have been reactivated and reconstructed, becoming all-season. The MiG-31 and S-400 air defense systems were put on alert in the region.
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    1. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 19 May 2021 10: 14
      0
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Ondal and TOV UN

      What is your comment about?
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      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 19 May 2021 10: 17
        +2
        Sorry. The site is mowing.

        https://t.me/fotozak/1861
        .The photo graced the cover of the 60th anniversary of FSUE RFNC-VNIITF im. Academician E.I. Zababakhina ".
        In 2015, to the 60th anniversary of FSUE RFNC-VNIITF im. Academician E.I. Zababakhina ”, which is, without exaggeration, the federal center for the development of nuclear weapons, has issued a commemorative booklet.

        The printed issue, which has become available only now on the Web, describes the history of the formation of the scientific center, and also expresses gratitude to its main persons.

        The front-line bomber Su-34, armed with 10 simulators of tactical thermonuclear bombs (IAB), adorns the cover.

        https://www.topnews.ru/news_id_364477.html
      3. Stepan S
        Stepan S 19 May 2021 15: 49
        -1
        Well comrade, okay. Cryptographer, I guess)
      4. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 19 May 2021 21: 10
        +1
        Recently, such shoals often occur. hi
  2. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 19 May 2021 10: 12
    -3
    Who can still walk along the NSR besides Russians?
    No one in the world has such icebreakers anymore and will not appear in the next 30 years.
    Who to cover from? Whom will front-line bombers bombard?
    1. vargo
      vargo 19 May 2021 10: 15
      +15
      Do not forget that during the warm season, shipping there is quite possible without icebreakers. In addition, from year to year there is less and less ice. And according to the assurances of experts, this trend is more and more clear
      1. Terrible_L.
        Terrible_L. 19 May 2021 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: vargo
        Do not forget that during the warm season, shipping there is quite possible without icebreakers. In addition, from year to year there is less and less ice. And according to the assurances of experts, this trend is more and more clear

        got ahead hi
    2. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 19 May 2021 10: 18
      +1
      I have not checked it myself, but they say that the ice in the Arctic is melting. The advantage, expressed in the availability of good icebreaker staff, in this case, may come to naught
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 19 May 2021 15: 50
        +1
        In the summer, the presence of icebreakers will not be critical, but the summer is short there, but in the winter, i.e. 9 months without them in any way. Navigation must be year-round, otherwise it is not profitable.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 19 May 2021 16: 29
          +4
          Quote: Stepan S
          ... the summer is short there ...

          But - little snow!
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 May 2021 11: 05
      -3
      You yourself will find that the states are preparing to resist there? And what will they defend the freedom of navigation on our NSR?)))
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 25
        -4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        freedom of navigation on our NSR?

        Why did you decide that the NSR is "our"?
        Is there at least one international document where this would be approved?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 May 2021 11: 35
          +4
          It is enough for me that the state considers it so. To which he has every right.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 50
            -2
            Quote: carstorm 11
            our state considers it so. To which he has every right.

            Our state does not consider it “like that”, since it has no right to think so. At present, a huge amount of work is underway to find legal opportunities for the "privatization" of the NSR, and a propaganda campaign has also been launched to "legitimize" the Russification of the NSR.
            But this is so, as a "educational program" ...
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 19 May 2021 12: 14
              +1
              Why do I need an educational program on this topic? I know very well about the 234 UN Convention which we use and so on. It's just that no one there is developing or developing anything except us. Most of it takes place in our territorial waters. and no one closes him from the world. It's just that everything will be there according to our rules from the age of 13. That's all.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 19 May 2021 12: 56
                -3
                Quote: carstorm 11
                It's just that everything will be there according to our rules from the age of 13.

                What do you mean? What "rules" are we talking about?
                1. Stepan S
                  Stepan S 19 May 2021 15: 52
                  -1
                  For example, what's in our ter. waters there can only move ships flying the flag of Russia. This practice is "popular" in the United States.
        2. Free Island
          Free Island 19 May 2021 13: 20
          +3
          I advise you to read international law all the same. Extension of the continental shelf of Russia plus 12 miles of the sea zone. So it turns out that our SMP
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 19 May 2021 13: 40
            -3
            Quote: Free Island
            So it turns out that our SMP

            Rather, bring your calculations to the Presidential Administration, where they will be appreciated at their true worth, and they will stop spending money on "research" of international lawyers in the field of maritime law.
    4. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 19 May 2021 12: 47
      +3
      The question is posed incorrectly ... "Walk", maybe no one can (and cannot ...). But even now there are enough people who want to "prevent" this movement. And to destroy these intentions, already on the "distant approaches" (taking into account the length and depth of the guarded and defended perimeter), the Su-34 is quite capable. As knowledgeable people write, "... for XNUMX/XNUMX SEARCH, DETECTION, CLASSIFICATION and DESTRUCTION of surface and underwater targets in any weather conditions in the presence of active electronic countermeasures."
    5. svp67
      svp67 19 May 2021 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Whom will front-line bombers bombard?

      Surfacing nuclear submarines ...
  3. bayard
    bayard 19 May 2021 10: 22
    +12
    Bombers in the Arctic? ... seem to be preparing to stop the appearance of NATO ships in these latitudes. This is not only a matter of the Northern Sea Route, but also of covering the areas of combat deployment of our SSBNs. And the Su-34 is capable of loitering for a long time and carrying specialized containers, including radar. For the absence of AWACS aircraft, this is at least some kind of solution to the issue.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 07
      -1
      Quote: bayard
      This is not only a matter of the Northern Sea Route, but also of covering the areas of combat deployment of our SSBNs.

      Can you tell us more about the "combat deployment areas"?
      What kind of "areas" are they, where are they located, and how can the Su-34 "cover" these areas? Did you write all this seriously, or in the order of delirium? Do you know how to use front-line bomber aviation in "combat deployment areas"?
      1. bayard
        bayard 19 May 2021 12: 00
        +1
        Su-34 will most likely fly with containers for surface reconnaissance - control of the water space.
        Quote: Bez 310
        What are these "areas" such where they are located,

        This is a terrible military secret. bully and the appearance of enemy surface ships there is highly undesirable. The RF Armed Forces have an extreme shortage of patrol aircraft and their (which they have) technical equipment. Well, and threaten with your presence.
        Quote: Bez 310
        Do you know how to use front-line bomber aviation in "combat deployment areas"?

        Here they will be as naval scouts. But if the Front starts here too, yes apply.
        Maybe their cabin is more suitable for high latitudes smile not so freezing. what

        Well, not strategic bombers to intercept them?
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 19 May 2021 13: 04
          +8
          Quote: bayard
          The RF Armed Forces have an extreme shortage of patrol aircraft and their (which they have) technical equipment.

          And what is the Su-34 better than the "patrol aircraft" in terms of technical equipment? What exactly is the Su-34 better? And what kind of "patrol aircraft" is this, where and for what purpose does it "patrol"? Do you have any specific knowledge in this matter, or are you just "on your own"?
          1. bayard
            bayard 19 May 2021 15: 12
            +1
            It was not I who made the decision to place such planes. I assumed what they could be used for there and in those conditions.
            And what do you think - the navigator's understanding, why in those latitudes and on those islands there are strike aircraft?
            Bomb the hummocks?
            Or is it because the new RLR, RTR and FRR pods are primarily integrated on these aircraft?
            And is it for this purpose that the Il-78 is based there?
            Quote: Bez 310
            Do you have any specific knowledge in this matter, or are you just "on your own"?

            I'm just carrying it.
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 19 May 2021 15: 21
              +4
              Quote: bayard
              Why should there be strike aircraft in those latitudes and on those islands?

              Su-34 aircraft are not needed there, they have no goals and objectives.
              I have already written below, I will repeat - all these movements with the deployment of aircraft at the restored Arctic airfields have only one purpose - to show that a lot of money was not spent in vain. This is my personal, incompetent opinion, I have no information that there was more stolen than invested in the case. In general, I have already said too much ...
              1. Stepan S
                Stepan S 19 May 2021 15: 55
                -1
                This is my personal incompetent opinion

                Perhaps that's enough
              2. bayard
                bayard 19 May 2021 17: 02
                +1
                Quote: Bez 310
                Su-34 aircraft are not needed there, they have no goals and objectives.

                And I think the same. Therefore, except for driving them a little with containers, I see no other task for them. Maybe for a diversion.
                And the budget is now being mastered for everything. If only without much benefit.

                But.
                In recent times, representatives of the US Navy and the Pentagon have repeatedly stated that US warships intend to patrol the Northern Sea Route, ensuring freedom of navigation.
                Surface ships.
                So maybe not just for the sake of cutting tactical bombers appeared in those parts. And although they were not previously referred to as naval aviation, such wishes were expressed.
                And getting warm on contracts under capitalism is a sacred thing.
                The rollback percentage and the final result are important.
      2. vinschu
        vinschu 19 May 2021 15: 34
        +4
        You would introduce yourself so that the local audience has less "ambition". I almost always give you a plus.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 19 May 2021 15: 42
          +2
          Quote: vinschu
          You would introduce yourself so that the local audience has less "ambition". I almost always give you a plus.

          Thank you.
          I am not of interest to the majority of visitors to this resource, I do not see the point in some kind of presentation. Honestly, I'm not bringing anything "to the masses" here, nobody needs it, I just have fun reading the opinions of "experts" and reacting to the most stunning ones.
          1. vinschu
            vinschu 19 May 2021 15: 49
            +4
            My purely selfish desire is to get acquainted with the opinion of the Professionals. There are less of you here.
  4. Anachoret
    Anachoret 19 May 2021 10: 27
    0
    as the NSR develops there will be more enemy submarines)
  5. kit88
    kit88 19 May 2021 10: 32
    +14
    Seriously, they took up the Arctic, since the Su-34s flew to Nagurskoye to live, cover the flanks from potential friends (Somali pirate, I apologize, there are no places in those parts, the climate is not the same)
    From there to the NSR, it will be under 1000 km.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 May 2021 10: 53
      +3
      To control the NSR, a modern fleet of aircraft based on civilian airliners with AFAR and other reconnaissance pribluds is needed ...
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 May 2021 10: 36
    +1
    If you give them a CD ... with a range of up to 1000 km ... then you can shoot through the Pole
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 May 2021 10: 50
      0

      Zaurbek (Zaur)
      Today, 10: 36
      NEW
      0
      If you give them a CD ... with a range of up to 1000 km ... then you can shoot through the Pole
      And for a good deed, nothing is a pity! smile Let's give! good
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 May 2021 10: 49
    -2
    It is assumed that front-line bombers will be able to conduct patrols, reconnaissance and strike at ground and sea targets, covering the Northern Sea Route.
    But this is already an adult! good good good
  8. Bez 310
    Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 03
    +3
    They don't even know what else to come up with ...
    From whom will the Su-34 planes "cover" the NSR?
    Where will these planes "patrol", which ground targets will they strike? Nonsense...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 May 2021 11: 06
      -1
      Does your experience in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense say that? )))
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 15
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Does your experience in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense say that?

        Are you clever? Oh well...
        I have superficial knowledge in the application of FBA, and I would like to somehow push the horizons of the unknown, especially towards the NSR. This is such an interesting topic, so many "pluses" can be earned on this, bearing in mind some manic interest in the SMP on the part of our leaders. And ordinary people work in the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, and nothing human is alien to them.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 May 2021 11: 38
          -4
          I asked a simple question: do you have the knowledge and experience of strategic planning, or is your point of view visibility from the battle couch?) Well, just to perceive you as a pro in this matter?)
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 19 May 2021 11: 55
            +4
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Well, just to perceive you as a pro in this matter?

            Your opponent, a pro in the field of combat use of the Tu-22m2, from the navigator's workplace. He can also tell tales from the life of the Soviet Gavan garrison.
            In matters of combat use of the Su-34, he certainly does not understand.
          2. Bez 310
            Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 56
            +7
            Quote: carstorm 11
            to perceive you as a pro in this matter?

            You can consider me competent in the use of aviation to destroy surface ships and submarines.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 19 May 2021 11: 41
          -4
          Quote: Bez 310
          I have a superficial knowledge of the FBA application.

          If such knowledge, that is, none, is it really possible to judge and interpret. Talk about nothing.
          By the way, FBA planes are quickly turning into naval attack aircraft, there is experience (Su-24)
          Quote: Bez 310
          meaning some manic interest in the SMP on the part of our leaders

          Not only our leaders, that's the point.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 19 May 2021 11: 54
            +4
            Quote: bober1982
            , FBA aircraft are quickly turning into naval attack aircraft, there is experience (Su-24)

            Do not be silly.
            But if there is a desire to say nonsense, then please specifically - where, when, with what weapon, the "naval attack" Su-24 hit the surface ship? Well, based on the experience that "is".
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 19 May 2021 11: 57
              -1
              In naval aviation, the Su-24, how is it classified?
            2. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 19 May 2021 13: 06
              +1
              About 15 years ago, a couple of times the American AUG was "opened". With a fly-over and an imitation of an approach to landing, on a deck, with a fussy running of the “dumbfounded” crew ... Su-2 and at top speed went to the aircraft carrier .... Russian aircraft twice passed over the aircraft carrier conducting detailed aerial photography. , the first plane took off from the "Kitty Hawk", it turned out to be EA-24B, an electronic warfare plane, unarmed, one against two Russian fighters !!! It took the Americans 27 minutes to take their F / A-24 fighters into the air. ... Four days later, Russian intelligence sent the Kitty Hawk commander photographs taken by Su-6MR pilots of American sailors rushing across the deck. " And just do not need to assure that it was an "accident". Moreover, TODAY, the modern Russian Su-30 in the Russian Arctic, can be much more than the Soviet Su-18 in the Pacific theater ...
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 19 May 2021 13: 20
                +5
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                And just do not need to assure that it was an "accident".

                No, it was not an accident.
                AUG was detected and tracked by Il-38 aircraft of the Pacific Fleet Air Force, and the Su-24 used the information received for provocative actions. And even with information about the location of the AUG, the Su-24 crews found the target with great difficulty.
                I know much more about this case than was reported in the press, and it is simply impossible to explain the flight of the Su-24 pair "from the side of common sense".
                1. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze 19 May 2021 13: 42
                  -1
                  No need to change the topic. With all due respect to your "much more" than reported in the press, knowledge. In the meantime, re-read your post, once again, if it does not complicate. Did you "ask for an example"? .. From the experience "which is"? .. They gave you an example. As the saying goes, "You ordered? .. So get it ..." The Su-24, relying on "current" intelligence information, conducted a SUCCESSFUL training attack on the US Navy strike aircraft. such is the experience "as it is." Moreover, - REALLY ... Regarding crying about some "provocative actions", name at least one case (from experience, "which is" ...), when Russian strike aircraft, being in international airspace, when meeting with "partners", she was not accused of such.
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 19 May 2021 13: 56
                    +4
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    The Su-24, relying on "up-to-date" intelligence, conducted a SUCCESSFUL training attack on the US Navy strike aircraft.

                    No, it is not.
                    In this case, the Su-24 pair did not carry out a "training attack", but with great difficulty found the target with the previously known coordinates. But this is not the point, but the fact that the Su-24 cannot inflict any damage to the AVM at all.
                    To be honest, I had to strain to remember what the conversation was originally about. So, it turned out that we started talking about the use of the Su-34 in the Arctic, to protect the NSR.
                    Since it is not at all clear from whom the NSR should be protected, if no one attacks the NSR, we can conclude that the Defense Ministry leadership has finally wondered if we are too "bulging" in the Arctic? And suggestions for the use of recovered airfields that nobody needed - we will plant MiG-31, Su-34, and we can also plant "strategists" ...
                    And why all this is needed, the experts from the Voennoye Obozreniye website will justify, they don't care what to argue about, the process itself is more important to them. We are not talking about the qualifications of these experts; they all know how to use Google, a mouse and a keyboard.
                    Then I take my leave, I have no more strength to endure ...
                    1. ABC-schütze
                      ABC-schütze 19 May 2021 14: 40
                      +3
                      Then, - you "catch up" ... As a sofa expert, a beginner, I dare to suggest that flights, specifically, over the sea area, in strike aircraft, belong to the category of the most difficult. Moreover, the Su-24 went at an extremely low altitude, extremely high speed and in radio silence. In short, "realizing intelligence information", they searched for the target, practically, by visual signs. Which is always "not easy to eat." For this, lamenting about the "huge difficulties" of the search did not impress me. Well, I do not exclude that you are a tough "master of combat use" and could solve a similar search task in such conditions without "much stress" ... I was especially amused by your - "no one attacks." Yeah ... So, MO needs to "just wait" for "someone to get together" to do it. And just then, "it will be high time" to deal with airfields, and acquire the skills of flying in the air in the Arctic zone ...
                2. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze 19 May 2021 13: 47
                  0
                  By the way, and if it does not make it difficult, specify what is "common sense"? .. For example, is it present in the determination of the annual US military budget? .. Already for decades unable to cover their aggregate national debt with real, REALLY liquid assets? ..
                  1. ramzay21
                    ramzay21 20 May 2021 10: 57
                    +1
                    The United States produces oil and gas as much as the Russian Federation, but in addition to this, the United States produced 2018 Boeings in 800, ten million cars, millions of iPhones, most computers in the world use their software, their Caterpiller works in all countries of the world, including us, they are leaders in medical and space technology, seed and breeding stock, oil and gas equipment, and many other sectors. This is not liquid assets for you? There, one Apple is more expensive than all our companies.
                    Their pension and investment funds have assets worth $ 100 trillion, with a national debt of $ 20 trillion, they invest all over the world and our country suffers from sanctions, because of which their investors cannot buy our assets, and you are quoting delirious then printing presses.
                    1. Stepan S
                      Stepan S 20 May 2021 17: 19
                      0
                      There, one Apple is more expensive than all our companies

                      So what? Tesla's capitalization is 4 times higher than Volkswagen, and earns 8 times less. All these are exaggerated figures that have no relation to reality.
                      1. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 21 May 2021 07: 10
                        +1
                        How are they inflated? This is the money that all their shares are worth in the market. If they give so much for Tesla, then it costs so much. Or can you suggest another technique?
            3. Stepan S
              Stepan S 19 May 2021 16: 00
              -2
              And where did the Tu-22m2 hit a surface ship?
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 19 May 2021 16: 31
                +4
                Quote: Stepan S
                A Tu-22m2

                I personally watched (from the battle formation) as the Tu-22m2 regiment launched a tactical attack on the AVM.
                About "amazed" - the Tu-22m2 had something to amaze with, but the Su-24 does not have such a weapon.
                1. Stepan S
                  Stepan S 20 May 2021 14: 32
                  -1
                  He went on the attack and struck, it's not the same thing. You mentioned it yourself - I was amazed.
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                    1. Stepan S
                      Stepan S 20 May 2021 16: 31
                      0
                      Thanks for the video, it was interesting to watch.
        3. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze 19 May 2021 12: 56
          0
          Just in case. Regarding the "manic interest" - just today, the Arctic Council met. And I read somewhere that Russia is far from the only member of it ...
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 19 May 2021 11: 40
    +1
    I always liked their appearance, not only in the Union they made beautiful ones.
  10. iouris
    iouris 19 May 2021 14: 52
    +4
    Well, there will be about twenty Su-34s deployed there (in the Arctic), so what? What, in general, does it mean to "cover the Northern Sea Route"?
  11. isv000
    isv000 19 May 2021 20: 19
    +1
    In the early 90s, the heart was bleeding when the Arctic was exposed and abandoned. How many air defense regiments have been disbanded! And now there is a rainbow in the sky - even our regiment has been restored and, apparently for undeserved suffering, made the guards. But they just shoved it afterwards, don't spoil it - in Tiksi ...
    1. Asad
      Asad 20 May 2021 06: 26
      +1
      What regiment are we talking about? He served in air defense in Norilsk.
      1. isv000
        isv000 20 May 2021 12: 08
        +1
        414th Brest, revived and put in Tiksi. I served on the mountain, 1st ZRDN, RTB ...
  12. Termit1309
    Termit1309 19 May 2021 22: 07
    +1
    Quote: bober1982

    Your opponent, a pro in the field of combat use of the Tu-22m2, from the navigator's workplace. He can also tell tales from the life of the Soviet Gavan garrison.
    In matters of combat use of the Su-34, he certainly does not understand.

    You will decide there anyway. This opponent in some comments is an anti-submarine pilot in these bomber navigator. But always with an escort telling his biography.
  13. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 May 2021 23: 07
    0
    For these tasks, another fifty aircraft are needed.
  14. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 20 May 2021 07: 50
    +1
    you need to develop coastal aviation, not mindless aircraft carriers! Hooray! pilots will not have to risk in vain, trying to get on the swinging deck, the planes will be in warm hangars
  15. Dikson
    Dikson 20 May 2021 13: 11
    -1
    For. IL-78 will also build warm hangars? Plus, there will be a separate bulldozer-auger battalion of airfield cleaning .. And on = good if - to fit the submarine removed from the submarine and from its reactor to record the runway with heating .. and heat the hangars from it .. Then we'll live! Ps. Familiar Uzbeks at Fetisov’s dacha were doing this — all street lanes and entrances and stations for cars — all with hot pipes under the asphalt .. Well, the Arctic is certainly not the Moscow Region, - you will have to install more powerful boilers ..))
  16. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 20 May 2021 15: 58
    0
    Americans regularly send their warships to the sea zone, which China has declared as a zone of its economic interests, to annoy the Chinese.
    If Su34 will sit in the North, then Russia is kind of gently hinting in advance to amers