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"One of the Best": In Kiev announced its intention to purchase an analogue of the Israeli "Iron Dome"

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Kiev intends to purchase missile defense systems, such a possibility is being considered. According to Ukrainian Defense Minister Andrei Taran, the country needs a complex similar to the Israeli "Iron Dome".


According to the head of the Ukrainian defense department, Kiev assessed the events taking place in Israel and confirmed the need to create a powerful anti-missile defense in the country. Taran called the Iron Dome complex "one of the best" missile defense systems and said that Ukraine needs to acquire "something similar to this complex." At the same time, Kiev is counting on international assistance in purchasing a missile defense system.

The minister said that since last year, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry "has been taking some action" to create an anti-missile defense. It is known that back in 2020, Kiev announced its desire to adopt the American Patriot air defense system or the European MEDAS complexes. But the matter did not go beyond dreams, since there is nothing to pay with Ukraine, and no weapons are supplied under promises to "pay later".

Of course, there is hope for the United States, which is providing military assistance to Ukraine, but no one will give up expensive anti-aircraft systems "for this". Even Poland, which is the main vassal of the Americans in Europe, is forced to buy weapons from the United States, and there is nothing to say about Ukraine.

Kiev has repeatedly stated that the country lacks antimissile defense against the background of "aggressive Russia", which has "thousands of missiles" in service. The existing Soviet / Russian-made S-300 and SAM systems are not capable of providing the necessary protection.
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  1. Cananecat
    Cananecat 19 May 2021 07: 42
    +9
    Yesterday only in Russia it was said that Ukraine will create its own missile defense system, which will be the best in the world. Better than the Patriots and S 400 ... and here, here you are ... you need to buy and who would help with money ... who should you believe? recourse
    1. Civil
      Civil 19 May 2021 07: 44
      +8
      According to Ukrainian Defense Minister Andrei Taran, the country needs a complex similar to the Israeli "Iron Dome".

      Do they think they make homemade rockets out of chimneys in the LPNR ?! lol
      1. Kaman
        Kaman 19 May 2021 07: 57
        .
        Taking into account the fact that in the latest version the Iron Dome works on drones, airplanes and cruise missiles (a few days ago the Iron Dome shot down a drone), as well as a very humane price tag (one rocket costs $ 40000), Ukraine's decision to purchase the Iron Dome is correct.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 19 May 2021 08: 05
          +2
          Kaman (Kaman)
          Today, 07: 57
          NEW

          -1
          Considering that in the latest version, the Iron Dome works on drones, airplanes and cruise missiles .. (
          and how many iron pipes launched from Palestine were knocked down by the kumpol? laughing
          1. Kaman
            Kaman 19 May 2021 09: 52
            -7
            90% of those flying to urban development. And the iron pipes look like this:
            1. Fungus
              Fungus 19 May 2021 11: 00
              0
              Conventional tube rockets. Nothing wrong.
              1. Gregory 1
                Gregory 1 19 May 2021 13: 34
                0
                Quote: Kaman
                Taking into account the fact that in the latest version the Iron Dome works on drones, airplanes and cruise missiles (a few days ago the Iron Dome shot down a drone), as well as a very humane price tag (one rocket costs $ 40000), Ukraine's decision to purchase the Iron Dome is correct.

                The iron dome showed the likelihood of hitting targets P = 0.85 - 0,9 during the last shelling of Israeli territory.
                The probability of the defeat of the Russian SAM Pantsir-SM (S1M), Buk-M3 within P = 0,9999.
                Therefore, the Iron Dome is still far from Russian air defense systems.
                1. stone
                  stone 19 May 2021 14: 29
                  0
                  That is why they (Armor and Buki) are so abundantly amazed laughing
                  Write already 0,99999999999, why be shy ?!
                  1. Gregory 1
                    Gregory 1 19 May 2021 14: 38
                    0
                    Quote: stone
                    That is why they (Armor and Buki) are so abundantly amazed
                    Write already 0,99999999999, why be shy ?!

                    Learn advanced mathematics - probability theory and mathematical statistics. I write, unlike you, as it is, and as I know! wassat
                    1. stone
                      stone 19 May 2021 17: 02
                      -3
                      I have already unlearned my own. And to begin with, you need to tighten up Russian so that you can formulate your thoughts correctly. wink
                      1. Gregory 1
                        Gregory 1 19 May 2021 17: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: stone
                        I have already unlearned my own. And to begin with, you need to tighten up Russian so that you can formulate your thoughts correctly.

                        Leave to yourself, your own, unsubstantiated assumptions. You - did not study well if there is no knowledge.
                      2. stone
                        stone 19 May 2021 19: 22
                        -2
                        But you have knowledge about what is not in nature (0,9999), but only in advertising campaigns. Okay, go celebrate the pioneer day! lol
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 19 May 2021 19: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: stone
                  them (Armor and Buki) are so abundantly amazed

                  Here are just our base under their protection in complete safety, and how many missiles there missed the hole ... Iron dome?
                3. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 19 May 2021 20: 08
                  -1
                  "Abundantly" struck the Syrian Shell, which had shot to the last piece of iron, and another, from which the crew of the Arabs escaped. And what about Khmeimim, did something fly over there? Is something "abundantly amazed" there? Congratulations, with your glances at the Russian air defense systems during normal hostilities, a surprise awaits you! Well, however, as always, debilov was regularly enough to get away from Russia, as well as jackals when the sherkhans were fed up.
              2. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 16: 39
                -1
                Quote: Gregory 1
                Quote: Kaman
                Taking into account the fact that in the latest version the Iron Dome works on drones, airplanes and cruise missiles (a few days ago the Iron Dome shot down a drone), as well as a very humane price tag (one rocket costs $ 40000), Ukraine's decision to purchase the Iron Dome is correct.

                The iron dome showed the likelihood of hitting targets P = 0.85 - 0,9 during the last shelling of Israeli territory.
                The probability of the defeat of the Russian SAM Pantsir-SM (S1M), Buk-M3 within P = 0,9999.
                Therefore, the Iron Dome is still far from Russian air defense systems.

                Zh.K. allows you to close an area with a radius of 70 km (~ 15000 sq. Km). How many armor batteries do you need to cover the same area?
                1. Gregory 1
                  Gregory 1 19 May 2021 17: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: andreykolesov123
                  Zh.K. allows you to close an area with a radius of 70 km (~ 15000 sq. Km). How many armor batteries do you need to cover the same area?

                  You take the SAM: Boom-M3 (range D = 70 km in radius), Pantsir-SM for your question, then you will receive an answer, while there will already be a network-centric air defense system, superior to the Iron Dome air defense system many times.
                  1. andreykolesov123
                    andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 19: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Gregory 1
                    You take the air defense system: Boom-M3 (range D = 70 km in radius), Pantsir-SM for your question, then you will receive an answer, while there will already be a network-centric air defense system that is many times superior to the Iron Dome air defense system.


                    Zh.K. is the network-centric missile defense system. A single radar provides data to multiple batteries, which allows for very flexible defense planning. You need a radar for every Shell battery. What is the cost of Shell missiles?

                    Buk-M3 is a different class of air defense / missile defense, Israel has several analogues such as Hetz-2, Hetz-3 and American patriots.
                2. D16
                  D16 19 May 2021 20: 49
                  +1
                  Zh.K. allows you to close an area with a radius of 70 km (~ 15000 sq. Km). How many armor batteries do you need to cover the same area?

                  Selected unique Jewish chutzpah fool ... At the residential complex the covered area is 150 km2, and the radius is, respectively 7. The shell covers the dome over the covered area like a bull to a sheep, and with new short-range missiles, according to B.K. And most importantly, he can quickly change positions laughing And the new Thor too. You should read Wikipedia more closely. And then the S-300PM has already been leveled with its craft. wassat
                  1. andreykolesov123
                    andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 21: 03
                    0
                    Quote: D16
                    and the radius, respectively, is 7

                    https://tass.ru/info/11363181

                    "The" Iron Dome "is designed to destroy ballistic targets within a radius of up to 40 km with a technical range of the anti-missile missile up to 70 km."

                    As the president of Izvinistan says: "Call out."
                    1. D16
                      D16 19 May 2021 21: 36
                      0
                      "The" Iron Dome "is designed to destroy ballistic targets within a radius of up to 40 km with a technical range of the anti-missile missile up to 70 km."

                      Open the wrong one. Everything is described there in Russian, not journalist. laughing
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB
                      Each battery can protect an area of ​​150 square kilometers [8]. (C)
                      So there is no need to rave and quote the nonsense of journalists. Even in this nonsense, the combat radius for some reason was reduced to 40 km.
                    2. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 22: 00
                      0
                      Quote: D16
                      Open the wrong one. Everything is described there in Russian, not journalist.

                      in your non-positive infa about the first version, and it differs from the modern one as win 3.11 from win10
                    3. D16
                      D16 19 May 2021 22: 22
                      +1
                      in your non-positive infa about the first version, and it differs from the modern one as win 3.11 from win10

                      Come on! What changed? Has the rocket grown? And then 90kg x 3m x 160mm look somehow unconvincing against the dimensions of the missiles, which really fly and shoot down at 75 km. For comparison, 5V55R. Please love and respect. 1665kg x 7,25m x 508mm. Will you say an old rocket? Yes, old. An example is newer, but flying only 50 km - 9M96E:
                      330kg x 4,75m x 240mm. Warhead - 24kg. Perhaps Israel is on Mars, or the Jews have alternative physics? wassat
                    4. andreykolesov123
                      andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 22: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: D16
                      or do the Jews have alternative physics?

                      or the Russians have outdated technologies and thieving managers in the military-industrial complex.
                    5. D16
                      D16 19 May 2021 22: 37
                      0
                      Gee-gee-gee ... lol Drain protected laughing .
                    6. D16
                      D16 19 May 2021 22: 48
                      0
                      or the Russians have outdated technologies and thieving managers in the military-industrial complex.

                      Probably in Europe there is also a problem with managers and technologies.
                      Aster 15 flies 30 km. Weight 300 kg.
              3. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 22: 21
                0
                Quote: D16
                up to 40 km.

                40 km radius gives 5000 sq. km.
              4. D16
                D16 19 May 2021 22: 52
                0
                40 km radius gives 5000 sq. km.

                What about
                Zh.K. allows you to close an area with a radius of 70 km (~ 15000 sq. Km).
                ?
                Although these are also fairy tales told by journalists. You yourself know what nationality laughing
              5. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 23: 13
                0
                Quote: D16
                40 km radius gives 5000 sq. km.

                What about
                Zh.K. allows you to close an area with a radius of 70 km (~ 15000 sq. Km).
                ?
                Although these are also fairy tales told by journalists. You yourself know what nationality laughing

                the rocket itself can fly 70 km, I did not take into account that the complex uses it at a radius of up to 40 km. 5000 sq km is not bad either.
              6. D16
                D16 20 May 2021 07: 08
                -1
                the rocket itself can fly 70 km, I did not take into account that the complex uses it at a radius of up to 40 km.

                Doesn't fly. Zh.k. short-range missile defense system. With the introduction of an additional TT accelerator, by analogy with the aster15, the price of the rocket and the complex will fly into the ceiling, and the BC under the plinth. You can't put many of these toys to intercept missiles flying on a mixture of sugar and saltpeter. So if you are not interested in the promised land salary, stop distributing this selective Jewish chutzpah.
              7. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 20 May 2021 09: 15
                +1
                Quote: D16
                the rocket itself can fly 70 km, I did not take into account that the complex uses it at a radius of up to 40 km.

                Doesn't fly. Zh.k. short-range missile defense system. With the introduction of an additional TT accelerator, by analogy with the aster15, the price of the rocket and the complex will fly into the ceiling, and the BC under the plinth. You can't put many of these toys to intercept missiles flying on a mixture of sugar and saltpeter. So if you are not interested in the promised land salary, stop distributing this selective Jewish chutzpah.

                open the news and read what flies and what does not fly and stop spreading selected Russian lies.
              8. D16
                D16 20 May 2021 11: 09
                -1
                open news and read what flies and what doesn't and stop spreading

                So you learn the performance characteristics of the air defense missile system from the news? lol You know, the same, that they poured into a puddle, but you continue with perseverance worthy of a better use to hang noodles to ignorant people.
                Ps I would very much like to read about the modernization of housing estates. Preferably with letters and numbers. And why did the Europeans have Aster15, with a shorter range, more than three times harder? Are they all pro-salipolymers, or do the Jews still have alternative physics? laughing
              9. D16
                D16 20 May 2021 14: 26
                -1
                Russian lies

                Come on! Well, refute my selective Russian lies, with numbers from more serious sources than the media.
              10. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 20 May 2021 15: 32
                +1
                Quote: D16
                Come on! Well, refute my selective Russian lies, with numbers from more serious sources than the media.

                Why should I look for information for you? the English-speaking and Hebrew-speaking wiki is enough for me, where the range of 70 km is indicated. If the range was 10 times less than the declared one, then for Zh.K. there would not be a line of foreigners (including the United States) willing to buy it. Obviously, an international scandal would break out.
              11. D16
                D16 20 May 2021 21: 36
                -1
                And what is far to go. Here is a classic example that people either cannot adequately translate, or deliberately stuff one and the same get on:
                https://missilery.info/missile/iron-dome
                Enjoy lol
                Someone S.V. Gurov writes that
                Range: 70km (s)
                designed to protect Israeli territory from unguided rockets, artillery shells and mortar mines at a distance of 4 to 70 km, as well as to intercept aircraft, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles at an altitude of 10 km. (s) fellow
                But at the same time:
                One Iron Dome battery can provide anti-missile defense for an area of ​​150 sq. Km. (S) lol We calculate the radius. Still 7 km negative .
                Let's look at the characteristics of the Tamir interceptor:
                Maximum range, m 17 (s) lol Where is 70 km? request
                Where the 17km came from in the advertisement is understandable in principle. By inertia, at the end, it will fly this distance, but there is no talk of any interception.
                So the question is where are the numbers 4 and 70 km? Elementary. In the original it was said that the housing estate. designed to intercept missiles FLYING at a range of 4x to 70 km. It is understandable. Rockets 70+ fly fast and very high. Stupidly will not get it. The complex is needed there more seriously. Like a Patriot. Immediately everything falls into place and the great domed peremogy of Israel ends.
                And what guided someone Gurov S.V., who squeezed his illiteracy into a publication that I previously respected, and where the moderators who skip this nonsense look, I am very fond of.
    2. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 19 May 2021 23: 17
      -1
      Quote: D16
      Although these are also fairy tales told by journalists. You yourself know what nationality

      in russia it is so accepted, if someone does not like it, then they immediately write it down as a Jew you and the Jews are almost gone, and all of you, out of habit, put on a Jewish hat to each other. confidentially.
    3. D16
      D16 20 May 2021 06: 55
      -1
      you and the Jews are almost gone, and all of you, out of habit, put on a Jewish hat to each other.

      Those who remained until retirement will not leave. Small fry cannot compete with the locals in praising Israel, and those who earn more here prefer to love their historical homeland from a distance. laughing
  • APASUS
    APASUS 19 May 2021 08: 44
    +13
    Quote: Kaman
    Ukraine's decision to purchase the Iron Dome is correct.

    There are a couple of unsolvable problems for Ukraine:
    1 This is in Israel where the border with the Gaza Strip is 40-50 km, a dome can cover the direction, while Ukraine only has 2295 km with Russia.
    2 Where is Zin's money, even covering Kiev with such a complex will cost very decent money
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 May 2021 09: 02
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Where is the money zing

      As always. "We have another wish. Give me money."
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 May 2021 09: 10
        +3
        Quote: Piramidon
        As always. "We have another wish. Give me money."

        A fundamental and guiding desire, not just another one.
      2. forester1971
        forester1971 19 May 2021 13: 29
        +1
        The key phrase of the Kiev defense minister's statement is that they "are counting on international assistance."
        That is, nothing new - Ukraine continues to walk the world with outstretched hand.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 19 May 2021 14: 30
          0
          Quote: Forester1971
          The key phrase of the Kiev defense minister's statement is that they "are counting on international assistance."
          That is, nothing new - Ukraine continues to walk the world with outstretched hand.

          They may put pressure on the fact that this is to protect all of Europe from "Russian aggression", and Sumeria is an outpost.
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  • Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 19 May 2021 08: 16
    +3
    The solution may be correct ... But here's its implementation ...
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 19 May 2021 07: 46
    +11
    Quote: Canecat
    .. and here, here you are ...

    Well, the F35 has already been purchased, now it's the turn of the Dome to dream! lol
    1. nnm
      nnm 19 May 2021 07: 56
      +4
      No no no, what kind of "purchased" ?! The farm cunning of non-brothers does not know such a word! Only "expects to receive" laughing
    2. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 19 May 2021 08: 17
      +3
      And the aircraft carrier? And the aircraft carrier !?
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 19 May 2021 08: 25
        +4
        Easily.
        Inflatable aircraft carrier, cheap and practical!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 19 May 2021 08: 31
          +6
          Quote: unhappy
          Inflatable aircraft carrier, cheap and practical!

          And here on VO there was a cool article, like doing all sorts of things with children from cardboard, even from used boxes. Can the Ukrainians advise her?
          1. Evil troll
            Evil troll 19 May 2021 08: 51
            +2
            Their chief designer Rostik has been building impenetrable tanks from cardboard boxes for many years.
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 19 May 2021 09: 30
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            And here on VO there was a cool article, like doing all sorts of things with children from cardboard, even from used boxes. Can the Ukrainians advise her?

            Don’t worry, it’s right, Rostik Abramov is in charge of the topic yes
          3. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 19 May 2021 13: 24
            +4
            Quote: Egoza
            on VO, a cool article was, like all sorts of things with children made of cardboard, even from used boxes to do.

            Well, you can do all sorts of things not only from used boxes:
  • wow
    wow 19 May 2021 07: 47
    +3
    You can trust anyone, even the Papuans from the Mumbo-Yumbo tribe. But the skakuas from the ukraine tribe cannot be trusted even for a penny!
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 19 May 2021 07: 57
    +3
    And who interferes with stealing in two directions at once: making your very own complex on your computer, writing off billions on it, and then paying Israel, getting kickbacks and getting some iron scrap under the guise of missile defense.
    Business in Ukrainian is like a joke: I don't need what you would do, I need you to get bogged down. So here: I do not need to do something, I need to steal.
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 19 May 2021 07: 58
    +2
    In addition to the language, Banderlog has nothing. They probably have a unit that comes up with all sorts of nonsense, from the best air defense missiles in the world, which they have almost already made, to the banal (HELP WHO WHAT CAN) Bandera's anger chokes them.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 May 2021 09: 11
      0
      Quote: Alexander 3
      In addition to language, Banderlog has nothing

      And in fact there is no language. Each village has its own version of the Polish-Austrian-Russian surzhik.
  • knn54
    knn54 19 May 2021 08: 01
    +5
    The system cost Israel almost a quarter of a billion dollars and would have been IMPOSSIBLE without a public-private partnership with the involvement of specialists and investments from the United States.
    Under Yanukovych, the Ukroboronprom concern was mothballed from any public-private partnership, so long as capital from NATO countries did not enter the defense industry of Ukraine.
    Everyone can see what the "de-conservation" led to under Poroshenko and Zelenskiy.
    Due to a lack of funds, almost 20 enterprises were given into private hands.
    In the management of the concern "inter-brigade", which simply finishes him.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 19 May 2021 08: 06
      +1
      "One of the Best": In Kiev announced its intention to purchase an analogue of the Israeli "Iron Dome"
      do they think that Russia will buy "qasams" from Palestine?
  • Hagen
    Hagen 19 May 2021 08: 07
    +1
    Quote: Canecat
    told that Ukraine will create its own missile defense system, which will be the best in the world.

    The key word will be. Those. there are thoughts to create, but nothing is said about real actions and quality possibilities. All the talk about the "iron dome" is in a tentative tone. It must be borne in mind that the creation of a missile defense system is a very expensive business, no less expensive is the use of this system in battle. In Israel's experience, one target is intercepted with two missiles. One launch costs Israel 30-40 thousand evergreens. The battery of the "dome" can simply be emptied with two volleys of BM-21 (one missile, from Soviet stocks to be disposed of, about $ 500). The question remains: when will Ukraine grow its economy to a level capable of digesting such unproductive costs? The answer, I think, is obvious .... Very soon. I think that the current politicians of Kiev will not see the conceived system during their lifetime.
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 19 May 2021 08: 40
    +1
    Quote: Canecat
    Yesterday only in Russia it was said that Ukraine will create its own missile defense system, which will be the best in the world.

    "Cast iron kovpak" is called.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 19 May 2021 19: 03
    -1
    Quote: Canecat
    here you are ... you need to buy and who would help with money

    Therefore, all such statements are empty chatter. They have no money to buy an LCD and will not have it.
  • nnm
    nnm 19 May 2021 07: 46
    +4
    Even I am already beginning to feel ashamed of non-brothers, in whom even the highest officials of the state behave like beggars of the porch.
    Although, after Poroshenko was baptized on a loan from the IMF, there is little surprise.
    Well, I understand that they are taking this "help" and stuffing their pockets, but so humiliate themselves ...

    Moreover, further, talking about the "iron dome", Taran does not even understand what he describes the abyss between the next "Wishlist" in terms of the Voederwaffe describes the current state of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex:
    “Also, the Ukrainian army received three sets of blades for the Mi-24 manufactured by Motor Sich.
    The MINISTER dreams of an air defense missile defense, but publicly brags about three sets of blades.
    Oh, the wrong country was called Honduras ...
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 19 May 2021 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      Although, after Poroshenko was baptized with a loan from the IMF, there is little surprise

      So I beg of you ... he ransacked his loot in this loan. )))
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima 19 May 2021 08: 29
        +3
        So I beg of you ... he ransacked his loot in this loan. )))

        Only to whom he prayed fig knows him) ...
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 19 May 2021 08: 12
      0
      Quote: nnm
      Even I am already beginning to feel ashamed of non-brothers, in whom even the highest officials of the state behave like beggars of the porch.

      I think you shouldn't take their shame so close to your heart. Present-day Ukraine, meaning their political class, is no longer the people who once were one people with us. Today it is a hostile society, whose economic and moral-political failures and failures should satisfy us, at least.
    3. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima 19 May 2021 08: 19
      +1
      Oh, the wrong country was called Honduras ...

      I would say - eh, hurry up with the creation of the country ...
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 19 May 2021 08: 37
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      which even the highest officials of the state behave like beggars on the porch.

      And I remember a scene in an old play where a beggar talks to Lenin and says: "We are the beggars most of all suffered (from the revolution). I did not fall below the merchant's guild. I had three thousand gold in the bank, but now?" ... Well, something like this.
      So the Ukrainian "beggars" are the same.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 19 May 2021 07: 47
    +2
    Non-brothers want a lot of things, but everywhere they have to rely on international assistance laughing
  • Professor
    Professor 19 May 2021 07: 47
    -3
    Finally, news about Ukraine. good
    According to the head of the Ukrainian defense department, Kiev assessed the events taking place in Israel and confirmed the need to create a powerful anti-missile defense in the country. Taran called the Iron Dome complex "one of the best" missile defense systems and said that Ukraine needs to acquire "something similar to this complex." At the same time, Kiev is counting on international assistance in purchasing a missile defense system.

    All assistance should be reduced to international funding, since there is no alternative to the system on the market yet (there is simply no equivalent in the world request ). The USA itself buys LCDs.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 19 May 2021 07: 55
      -1
      Quote: Professor
      The USA itself buys LCDs.

      No reason not to drink? ))
      The LCD has all the trick in my opinion in Isk.In ... the missiles themselves are not so difficult to manufacture.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 19 May 2021 07: 54
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Finally, news about Ukraine. good

    All assistance should be reduced to international funding, since there is no alternative to the system on the market yet (there is simply no equivalent in the world request ). The USA itself buys LCDs.

    Right. Until you praise yourself ...)))
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 May 2021 07: 58
      -3
      Quote: Tagan
      Quote: Professor
      Finally, news about Ukraine. good

      All assistance should be reduced to international funding, since there is no alternative to the system on the market yet (there is simply no equivalent in the world request ). The USA itself buys LCDs.

      Right. Until you praise yourself ...)))

      Read the article:
      ... Complex "Iron Dome" Taran called "one of the best "examples of missile defense and said that Ukraine needs to acquire "something similar to this complex."
      Am I Ukrainian Defense Minister Andriy Taran? fool
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  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 19 May 2021 07: 54
    +1
    LCD was made for Israel, in the event of a war with a more or less normal enemy it is useless.
    1. Vladislav Trofimov
      Vladislav Trofimov 19 May 2021 07: 58
      +3
      in the event of a war with a more or less normal enemy, this is useless.
      justify ...
      a rocket is fired ... no matter what it is fired from ...
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 May 2021 08: 02
      -4

      Victor Sergeev (Victor Sergeev)
      Today, 07: 54
      NEW
      +1
      LCD was made for Israel, in the event of a war with a more or less normal enemy it is useless.
      So yes, the events with Palestine showed what I can do)) laughing bonce. According to some reports, it intercepted less than 50% of the iron pipes. For ukronatsik will do. laughing
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 19 May 2021 08: 04
        +1
        Well, to be honest, when there is a massive raid of 2000 missiles, it is normal to shoot down 50%, the system is simply overloaded, both in terms of the number of targets and the number of interceptors. But on the other hand, how much money Israel spent, they beat them with cheap homemade products, and they shot them down with expensive anti-missiles. There, more damage was caused not by missiles, but by measures against them.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 19 May 2021 08: 08
          -2

          Victor Sergeev (Victor Sergeev)
          Today, 08: 04

          0
          Well, to be honest, when there is a massive raid of 2000 missiles, it is normal to shoot down 50%, the system is simply overloaded, both in terms of the number of targets and the number of interceptors. But on the other hand, how much money Israel spent, they beat them with cheap homemade products, and they shot them down with expensive anti-missiles. There, more damage was caused not by missiles, but by measures against them.
          And this is a fact! good But those, more than 50% of those who arrived in Isravil, did their job - they finally destroyed the myth of the unparalleled world of Kumpol. wink
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 19 May 2021 08: 09
            -1
            This is yes. But the result will be the same: even more money to improve the missile defense system. It seems to me that the missile attack provoked the Israeli military-industrial complex, I would not be surprised that the components for the missiles are supplied from the factory where the LCD components are made.
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 19 May 2021 08: 13
              -2

              Victor Sergeev (Victor Sergeev)
              Today, 08: 09

              0
              This is yes. But the result will be the same: even more money to improve the missile defense system. I think that rocket fire provoked the Israeli military-industrial complexI will not be surprised that the components for the missiles are supplied from the factory where the LCD components are made.
              Colleague, now adherents will tear you to pieces, hold on. Based on your comet, it turns out that the military-industrial complex isravil makes money on the blood of their compatriots? A bold guess!
            2. Professor
              Professor 19 May 2021 08: 17
              0
              Quote: Victor Sergeev
              This is yes.

              What "yes"? ZhK intercepted 90% of missiles. Look at the numbers launched, the number of intercepted missiles and those that broke through. The main problem of ZY is rockets launched along a flat trajectory. From Gaza to Sderot, 5 km and missiles launched by direct fire are hardly realistic to intercept.

              In general, Ukraine does not need LCDs. They have nothing to cover.
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 19 May 2021 08: 36
                0

                Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
                Today, 08: 17

                0
                Quote: Victor Sergeev
                This is yes.

                What "yes"? ZhK intercepted 90% of missiles. Look at the numbers launched, the number of intercepted missiles and breakthroughs ...
                because at urgent requests)) laughing yours, warriors. privalov, and so on. do not meddle in your relations with Palestine, it’s completely parallel to me, how many missiles flew at you, and how many were shot down by kumpol. But these are stated)) laughing 90% suggest a simple thought - you're lying as always. In many media it goes about 50-50, and I suppose that is the best case. And at worst, the results of kumpol are much, much more modest. Well, yes, you are there under them, under the iron pipes, to live and think that today the pipe did not come at you. And tomorrow? Your porridge, and as you brew it, sip it.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 19 May 2021 09: 03
                  -3
                  Quote: aszzz888
                  In many Media goes about 50-50, and I suppose this is at best

                  For example?
                  1. aszzz888
                    aszzz888 19 May 2021 09: 05
                    -1

                    Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
                    Today, 09: 03

                    -1
                    Quote: aszzz888
                    In many media it goes about 50-50, and I suppose this is at best

                    For example?
                    not small, you will find it yourself
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 19 May 2021 10: 08
                      -1
                      Quote: aszzz888

                      Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
                      Today, 09: 03

                      -1
                      Quote: aszzz888
                      In many media it goes about 50-50, and I suppose this is at best

                      For example?
                      not small, you will find it yourself

                      The drain is counted. good
                      1. aszzz888
                        aszzz888 20 May 2021 04: 08
                        -1
                        Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
                        Yesterday, 10: 08
                        The drain is accepted. good
                        Yes, I thought you were getting older! laughing
                        So I imagine - you run around the sandbox shouting: "I won, I won!" and the snot of happiness flows ... wassat lol tongue
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 20 May 2021 06: 16
                        0
                        Quote: aszzz888
                        Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
                        Yesterday, 10: 08
                        The drain is accepted. good
                        Yes, I thought you were getting older! laughing
                        So I imagine - you run around the sandbox shouting: "I won, I won!" and the snot of happiness flows ... wassat lol tongue

                        In the next, keep your fantasies to yourself:
                        Quote: aszzz888
                        In many media it goes about 50-50, and I suppose that is the best case.
              2. stone
                stone 19 May 2021 14: 36
                0
                because at urgent requests)) laughing yours, warriors. privalov, and so on. do not meddle in your relations with Palestine, it’s completely parallel to me, how many missiles flew at you, and how many were shot down by kumpol. But these declared)) laughing 90% suggest a simple thought - you're lying as always. In many media it goes about 50-50, and I suppose that is the best case. And at worst, the results of kumpol are much, much more modest. Well, yes, you are there under them, under the iron pipes, to live and think that today the pipe did not come at you. And tomorrow? Your porridge, and as you brew it, sip it.

                It feels like your saliva is splashing out of your mouth! We need to calm down, maybe take a pill. lol Professor won is calm, although his country is at war.
                1. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 20 May 2021 04: 02
                  -1

                  stone
                  Yesterday, 14: 36
                  NEW This feeling, etc.

                  ... aszzz888 (sheriff)
                  4
                  Yesterday, 08: 36
                  I am completely parallel-violet how many missiles flew at you, and how many were shot down by a kumpol.
                  This is your answer too. laughing As for the "feelings", what kind of madam would you hold them for your own, explain to her tongue
            3. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 19 May 2021 08: 40
              0
              Capital) NPP. There are actually many options. If according to the mind
              1. Professor
                Professor 19 May 2021 09: 04
                -3
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Capital) NPP. There are actually many options. If according to the mind

                Hmm ... LCD intercepts missiles with a range of 70 km. Are terrorists already 70 km from Kiev? From the South Ukrainian nuclear power plant?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 19 May 2021 09: 38
                  +4
                  Well, you are like a little one) they have been fighting with Russia for 7 years already)
            4. Revolver
              Revolver 19 May 2021 08: 57
              0
              Quote: Professor
              They have nothing to cover.

              Tohes?
      2. Vladislav Trofimov
        Vladislav Trofimov 19 May 2021 08: 15
        +5
        you are not good at counting ...
        damage from missiles not intercepted, insurance payments ... an order of magnitude higher than the price of the missiles themselves.
        I remember how much the state spent on the restoration of housing, compensation for damage to health, loss of property, etc. ... after Operation Cast Lead, when there was no Kipat Barzel yet, and what after Operation Cloud Pillar .. ...
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2021 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      According to some reports, it intercepted less than 50% of the iron pipes.

      I came up with the data myself. Let the video see where hundreds of rockets are detonated in cities in Israel.
  • Shimshon
    Shimshon 19 May 2021 11: 42
    0
    Naturally. A more or less normal enemy will be rolled out with carpet bombing and the work of MLRS and cannon artelery, and not, as it is now, surgical demolitions of buildings and sealing of tunnel infrastructure.
  • Romario Argo
    Romario Argo 19 May 2021 07: 56
    +2
    The minister said that since last year, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry "has been taking some action" to create an anti-missile defense.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Their women are sent to the "PHOTO" session. Either to the Arabs or to Israel. You look the pennies will earn
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 May 2021 07: 59
    -4
    Taran called the Iron Dome complex "one of the best" examples of missile defense ..
    I wonder what the Jews promised him for this? A tent for a couple of weeks, when will it wash off unnecessary? laughing
  • prior
    prior 19 May 2021 08: 05
    +3
    And as a result, it will end as always - the iron from the "Iron Dome" Ukrainian ensigns will take away for the repair of the roofs of their khatynoks and fences for the hogs. laughing
    1. Vladislav Trofimov
      Vladislav Trofimov 19 May 2021 08: 16
      +2
      Ukrainian ensigns will take away ...
      how the Russians stole the doomsday plane ... propellers from the frigate ... electronics from the "Kuzi" ..... ???
      1. prior
        prior 19 May 2021 08: 20
        0
        Not an airplane, but electronic stuffing. Not in a barn for their own needs, but to create new means of electronic warfare that have no analogues in the world. bully
  • Tagan
    Tagan 19 May 2021 08: 07
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Tagan
    Quote: Professor
    Finally, news about Ukraine. good

    All assistance should be reduced to international funding, since there is no alternative to the system on the market yet (there is simply no equivalent in the world request ). The USA itself buys LCDs.

    Right. Until you praise yourself ...)))

    Read the article:
    ... Complex "Iron Dome" Taran called "one of the best "examples of missile defense and said that Ukraine needs to acquire "something similar to this complex."
    Am I Ukrainian Defense Minister Andriy Taran? fool

    Yes, calm down and don't rush to twist your finger at your temple - it's indecent.)) No one was going to compare you with the Ukrainian Minister of Defense, because I understand that it would be very offensive)) he has nothing to do with it.
  • Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 19 May 2021 08: 10
    0
    Intentions, intentions ...
    Ukraine is one of the best examples confirming the statement "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
  • Tagan
    Tagan 19 May 2021 08: 21
    +1
    Quote: Vladislav Trofimov
    in the event of a war with a more or less normal enemy, this is useless.
    justify ...
    a rocket is fired ... no matter what it is fired from ...

    Uh-huh, and from what it was released, and how it flies, and at what speed, etc. The same as shooting from a slingshot))
  • HAM
    HAM 19 May 2021 08: 36
    +4
    Envious eyes, grabbing hands .... they would all "buy" .... all these eulogies to someone else's technology, a "subtle" hint, partners MUST all this give Ukraine ... they "save" the world ... shame ... but before they could do something themselves.
    Having ditched their military-industrial complex, now they frighten the people with computer missiles ...
  • keeper03
    keeper03 19 May 2021 08: 48
    0
    Does Kiev have a printing press of bucks ?! smile Or am I missing something? !! laughing
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 19 May 2021 08: 53
    +1
    In Kiev, they announced their intention to purchase an analogue of the Israeli "Iron Dome"
    Maybe they will buy it, but in a single copy, and will be shown on holidays. But what about the update of the Ukrainian Air Force with F-16 fighters?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 19 May 2021 09: 04
      +2
      Quote: Ash Poseidon
      Maybe they will buy it, but in a single copy, and will be shown on holidays.

      Or a layout made of plywood and cardboard is smittered. And what, it’s okay to ride at parades, but it’s cheaper. But to save how much lard and vodka you can buy!
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 19 May 2021 09: 06
    +2
    Skakuas would buy an ox, but a butt is naked. In words, they will soon have the best in the world.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 19 May 2021 10: 11
    +1
    They already have the "Enamel Dome" and "Aluminum Dome" superior to the LCD in at least two parameters:
    1. Individual remedy
    2. You can also cook borscht in it
    On this topic.
    As they rightly noted, they simply do not need it, the wrong scale. But wants aaa!
    Young guys will see an expensive foreign car at our place, - "And I'll take one for myself, too!"
    There is no road to your village!
  • Shahno
    Shahno 19 May 2021 16: 46
    -1
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Quote: Gregory 1
    Quote: Kaman
    Taking into account the fact that in the latest version the Iron Dome works on drones, airplanes and cruise missiles (a few days ago the Iron Dome shot down a drone), as well as a very humane price tag (one rocket costs $ 40000), Ukraine's decision to purchase the Iron Dome is correct.

    The iron dome showed the likelihood of hitting targets P = 0.85 - 0,9 during the last shelling of Israeli territory.
    The probability of the defeat of the Russian SAM Pantsir-SM (S1M), Buk-M3 within P = 0,9999.
    Therefore, the Iron Dome is still far from Russian air defense systems.

    Zh.K. allows you to close an area with a radius of 70 km (~ 15000 sq. Km). How many armor batteries do you need to cover the same area?

    Well, in our case, 10 batteries. We covered the positional area. 100 * 50 km
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  • Max PV
    Max PV 20 May 2021 00: 33
    -2
    Interestingly, someone told them that the "Iron Dome" is a specialized system for the specific conditions that have arisen in Israel? No other country makes such systems, and obviously will not. And why? And the fact is that the Iron Dome is designed to defeat a small number of extremely simple targets in ideal conditions. Yes Yes exactly. Targets do not maneuver from the word at all, the weather is constantly clear (visibility of a million to a million), which allows the use of an optical seeker, the enemy does not have electronic warfare equipment, which greatly reduces the cost of missile avionics, having formed into guidance and target detection systems, the Jews were able to save money on the package , which has extremely mediocre performance characteristics, and most importantly, targets fly in dozens of maximum ... Stop! - You will say - but what about other air defense systems, for which such a number is prohibitive? And here is the difference in goals - other air defense systems are designed to work on aircraft and CD, and unguided rockets should not hit at all, since it is not economically profitable, and outside Israel it is impossible, since the Palestinians release hundreds of missiles per day, and the slogan "Gradov" in one salvo the same amount.
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 May 2021 05: 52
      +1
      Quote: Max PV
      And the fact is that the "Iron Dome" is designed to defeat a small number of extremely simple targets in ideal conditions.

      Seriously ?

      Quote: Max PV
      Targets don't maneuver from words at all,

      RSZO maneuvers?
      to school urgently
      Quote: Max PV
      which allows the use of an optical seeker

      optical?
      fool
      Quote: Max PV
      and unguided rockets should not hit at all, since it is not economically profitable,

      but of course - they don't kill anyone.
      Why amaze them then?
      .
      Quote: Max PV
      Stop! - You will say

      Lord. the country is waiting for heroes. scientists - but give birth ..
      1. Max PV
        Max PV 20 May 2021 09: 10
        -1
        Seriously ?

        More than. A non-maneuvering ballistic target flying in the interception area at a speed of 300-450 m / s (the initial speed is higher, but it drops to the point of interception), in the absence of electronic countermeasures.
        RSZO maneuvers?
        to school urgently

        Yes ... Indeed, it's time for you to go to school - to learn to read. I wrote: "non-maneuvering".
        optical?
        fool

        Yes, many sources indicate a radar or an active radar in general, but this is clearly a delusion - the price of the entire Tamir rocket is less than the ARL of the seeker - $ 40000. This error is obviously caused by the shape and material of the ballistic fairing dropped on approach to the target:

        The very same GOS is:

        Obviously not radar.
        but of course - they don't kill anyone.
        Why amaze them then?

        Well, well, and you intercept a full salvo of the Grad battery (160-240 missiles), and not ten or fifteen at a time. The "Dome" fire control radar "only" 200 (a very good indicator) accompanies targets, and the battery contains 60-80 anti-missiles.
        For the "especially gifted" I wrote that in Israel the use of the "Iron Dome" is justified, since the potential damage exceeds the cost of the missile defense system, and in other conditions it does not work that way. Look for tables of ammunition consumption for cannon artillery and MLRS for suppressing / destroying a hectare of prepared defense (detachment position), and estimate the cost of intercepting such a number of shells. As a countermeasure, MLRS are conducting counter-battery warfare. But in Israel, I repeat, there are specific conditions: MLRS missiles threaten not the troops, but the peacekeepers, and the Palestinian missile launchers are even cheaper than the missiles themselves, and are located in residential buildings, therefore you have to dodge with anti-missiles.
        Lord. the country is waiting for heroes. scientists - but give birth ..

        Are you talking to yourself?
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 20 May 2021 09: 17
    +1
    Quote: D16
    you and the Jews are almost gone, and all of you, out of habit, put on a Jewish hat to each other.

    Those who remained until retirement will not leave. Small fry cannot compete with the locals in praising Israel, and those who earn more here prefer to love their historical homeland from a distance. laughing


    everything is in your hands, you voted for your "elite". bring to power people who care about Russians.
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 20 May 2021 23: 45
    0
    Buy on sho? Exhaust from natural gas collectors (GCI)?