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Equipment on the platform K-4386 "Typhoon-K" and its prospects

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Equipment on the platform K-4386 "Typhoon-K" and its prospects

K-4386 armored car without additional equipment. Photo "Remdizel"


Currently, several promising armored vehicles for various purposes from the Typhoon-K family are at different stages of testing. In the near future, the necessary measures will be completed, and the new equipment will enter service with the ground and airborne forces, as well as special forces.

Armored car for the landing


About a year ago, the project of the K-4386 Typhoon-VDV armored car, developed by the Remdizel enterprise, moved to a new stage, which later contributed to the regular appearance of certain News... In early May 2020, the Ministry of Defense announced the expected completion of the project. In the near future, it was planned to begin state tests of experimental equipment, according to the results of which a decision was to appear on adoption.

On the eve of the Army-2020 forum, in August last year, the development organization spoke about the recent completion of the state tests of the K-4386. The launch of serial production was expected. The deliveries of armored vehicles could have begun as early as last year. Later, in October, some details of the tests were revealed.


"Typhoon-VDV" with a cannon combat module. Photo "Remdizel"

On May 2, 2021, the Ministry of Defense announced that the Typhoon-Airborne Forces were being tested in the airborne troops. These activities have entered their final phase, and based on their results, plans for the future will be drawn up. They will determine the possibility of adopting the armored car for service and set the delivery time for the equipment.

On Victory Day, several K-4386 armored cars took part in parades in Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod. Apparently, experimental or pre-production equipment participating in military trials entered the mechanized column. It can be assumed that serial Typhoons-Airborne Forces will participate in the parades next year.

Air defense


On the basis of the K-4386 armored car, the Typhoon-PVO air defense combat vehicle was created. It retains a unified body and other units, but has different target equipment and weapons. Such an armored car is offered as a protected transport for anti-aircraft gunners of the ground forces or airborne forces, which is why it carries an installation with a large-caliber machine gun and several MANPADS. The project was developed by the Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol.


Typhoon-Air Defense. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The anti-aircraft modification of the Typhoon was demonstrated during the Army Games in 2019, and at the Army-2020 it was shown in an open exhibition and at shooting. Then, in October, such equipment was again involved in shooting practice, this time during maneuvers at the Kapustin Yar training ground.

In January 2021, IEMZ Kupol announced that development work on Typhoon-Air Defense would be completed in the third quarter of this year. Preparations for future serial production have already begun.

In early April, it was announced that Typhoon-Air Defense would take part in the parade on Red Square for the first time. Soon after, training began, and on May 9, the new equipment passed through Moscow as part of a mechanized column.


Typhoon-VDV at the parade in Moscow, May 9, 2021. Photo by AP RF

No new reports on the progress of design work, tests or other activities have yet been received. At the same time, the known information from Kupol suggests that the situation will change in the coming months. News about the Typhoon-Air Defense will start coming in on a regular basis, and then we can expect reports of acceptance into service and the launch of the series.

Self-propelled artillery


Also, on the basis of the K-4386 "Typhoon-K" armored car, a promising self-propelled mortar 2S41 "Drok" was created. A new set of equipment and weapons for such a sample was developed by the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" as part of a larger project to create advanced mobile artillery systems.

In the recent past, the organization-developer has repeatedly shown models of "Gorse" at domestic exhibitions. For the first time, a full-fledged prototype was shown at the Army-2020 in an open exposition. Firing capabilities were not demonstrated.


Typhoon-VDV at the parade in Nizhny Novgorod. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

On May 9, 2021, the experienced Drok, along with other developments of the Burevestnik, entered the mechanized column at the parade in Nizhny Novgorod. Perhaps in the near future, the 2S41 mortar will be able to reach the larger Moscow parade.

It is known that a promising self-propelled mortar is currently undergoing the necessary tests. Details of these events have not yet been announced. Also, even the approximate dates of their completion and the arrival of the Drok product into service remain unknown. Perhaps data of this kind will be announced in the near future.

On a common platform


To date, not only the K-4386 armored car with wide capabilities has been created, but also a number of specialized combat vehicles based on it. Now they are undergoing the necessary tests, and in the near future it is expected to be put into service with subsequent deliveries of equipment to the troops. It is expected that vehicles of all models will positively affect the capabilities of army units.


Shooter and weapon Typhoon-Air Defense. Photo by AP RF

K-4386 is a four-wheel drive two-axle armored vehicle, built according to the hull scheme. The hull is made of metal armor with ceramic elements, which provides 4th level of protection against bullets and fragments according to OTT and 3rd class of mine protection - up to 4 kg under the bottom. The single internal volume of the cockpit accommodates seven energy-absorbing crew seats.

The armored car is equipped with a domestic diesel engine with a capacity of 350 hp. with automatic transmission. With a total weight of 13,5 tons, the car is capable of reaching a speed of 130 km / h. Overcoming obstacles was ensured, incl. ford. The armored car complies with the restrictions of the military transport aviation and is suitable for parachute landing.

An important feature of the two-axle Typhoon-K is a solid reserve of carrying capacity and strength, which makes it possible to install various combat modules on it. This opportunity has already been used, resulting in an anti-aircraft modification, "Typhoon-VDV" with a cannon-machine gun module and "Drok" with a mortar installation. Perhaps in the future there will be new modifications with different equipment.


Mortar 2S41 "Drok" in Nizhny Novgorod. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Family perspectives


Thus, thanks to the K-4386 project, a modern multipurpose protected platform with wide capabilities and high characteristics appeared at the disposal of our army. It can be used as an armored infantry vehicle or as a carrier of combat modules and weapons. All of these features are already being used in several projects.

K-4386 and modifications are at different stages of testing. Among the specialized models, the modification for the Airborne Forces has advanced the farthest: in the near future, the issue of its adoption into service will be decided. Then in the troops it will be possible to wait for an air defense vehicle and a self-propelled mortar. The emergence of new projects is not excluded.

In general, the Typhoon-K family has advanced quite far, and the processes of its development inspire optimism. Obviously, new messages about the progress of current projects - and about the successful bringing of samples to acceptance into service - will appear in the near future. And then, for example, at the Army-2021 forum, they can announce new developments that will have to further reveal the potential of the basic platform.
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  1. Peak
    Peak 19 May 2021 05: 47
    +4
    Mortar 2S41 "Gorse

    Machine weight - 14 t
    Target hitting range (MAX) - 6000 m.
    Target hitting range (MIN) - 100 m.
    Rate of fire - 12 rounds per minute.
    Ammunition - 40 min.
    Maximum speed 100 km / h, cruising range 1200 km


    In the descriptions of this complex, such a factor is rarely mentioned that the barrel of a mortar, developed on the basis of the well-known 82-mm mortar 2B14 "Tray", can be removed from the turret module of circular rotation, and be used in the standard version of an infantry mortar, for which it is transported by car standard base plate and biped ...

    Actually, placing the mortar in a closed tower on a special recoil mechanism enhances the security of the calculation in comparison with many variants of "classmates-competitors" from the line of self-propelled mortars based on automobile chassis, placed in an open armored hull.

    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 May 2021 09: 09
      +1
      And how to charge it on a car, if it's a standard barrel?
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 09: 36
        +2
        Loading, breech, respectively, the barrel is different and under a new mine of greater power.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 May 2021 10: 33
          +1
          How then can it be put on the stove on the ground?
      2. Peak
        Peak 19 May 2021 10: 33
        +2
        Quote: Zaurbek
        And how to charge it on a car, if it's a standard barrel?

        Elementary - the standard breech is screwed on (the simplest operation), and the barrel is installed on the tower with its own breech (loading and descent mechanism).

        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 May 2021 10: 34
          +2
          Then it is logical ...
          1. Peak
            Peak 19 May 2021 10: 36
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Then it is logical ...

            Moreover, it is extremely practical, which gives the advantages of using the mortar both on and off the vehicle.

            And such universalism for the Airborne Forces is worth a lot.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 11: 01
              +2
              I like the "Drok" by the possibilities of escorting, it is quite possible to include it as an escort vehicle in convoys. And there is a machine gun, and you can take revenge on the attackers with a mortar, even if they want to hide in the ditch.
              1. Peak
                Peak 19 May 2021 11: 07
                -1
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                I like the "Drok" by the possibilities of escorting, it is quite possible to include it as an escort vehicle in convoys. And there is a machine gun, and you can take revenge on the attackers with a mortar, even if they want to hide in the ditch.

                For such escorting "Gorse" is redundant, enough "Tiger" with the same machine gun on the turrets and AGS.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 11: 14
                  -1
                  The AG-30's ammunition is rather weak, and nothing has been heard about the 40-mm Balkan for a long time. And all this, depending on which enemy will arrange an ambush. They can meet in the mountains, and with recoilless guns, in the mode they fired and hid. And the minimum firing range is appropriate. In addition, in the 82 mm caliber, you can expect the appearance of ammunition with remote detonation, just to deal with the enemy who has taken refuge. Even better is 120 mm, but then direct fire from such a machine will become impossible.
                  1. Peak
                    Peak 19 May 2021 11: 18
                    -1
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    The AG-30's ammunition is rather weak, and nothing has been heard about the 40-mm Balkan for a long time. And all this, depending on which enemy will arrange an ambush. They can meet in the mountains, and with recoilless guns, in the mode they fired and hid.

                    In such a case - "so as not to hide", and support (escort) of convoys from the air is provided ...
                    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                      Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 11: 20
                      0
                      From the air, they will not help if the enemy managed to get close or if the weather is not flying. And the mortar is the very thing, and even with direct fire.
                      I read that the French had a similar armored vehicle, but with a weaker mortar and without automated guidance systems, of course.
                      1. Peak
                        Peak 19 May 2021 11: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        mortar is the very thing, and even with direct fire

                        What makes you think that he has a "direct fire", if the shooting is carried out routinely, "at mortar", when the minimum distance to the target, which can still be reached, starts from 100 meters, and this is ideal.
                      2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 11: 26
                        +1
                        If there is a tower, then there is a direct (or semi-direct), aiming, as you like, I'm not an artilleryman.
                      3. Peak
                        Peak 19 May 2021 11: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        If there is a tower, then there is also a direct (or semi-direct), aiming, as you like

                        Well, yes, or - "from the corner".
                        Let's agree not to attribute to a weapon those properties that it does not have.
                      4. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 11: 35
                        0
                        Excuse me, if "Vasilek" hits with direct fire, then why is there no mortar in the tower? If the sight of the mortar is not equipped with such an opportunity for shooting "by eye", then this is bad. Self-propelled howitzers, at least, have a sight for direct fire.
                      5. Peak
                        Peak 19 May 2021 11: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Excuse me, if "Vasilek" hits with direct fire, then why is there no mortar in the tower? If the sight of the mortar is not equipped with such an opportunity for shooting "by eye", then this is bad. Self-propelled howitzers, at least, have a sight for direct fire.

                        With these questions, please contact the customers of the product (VDV) and the developers.
                        And find out from them what and how, what they wanted to get, and what happened in the end.
                      6. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 12: 26
                        0
                        That is, about the impossibility of direct fire, are these just your assumptions?
                      7. Peak
                        Peak 19 May 2021 15: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        That is, about the impossibility of direct fire, are these just your assumptions?

                        At the expense of assumptions -
                        For firing a 2B9 "Cornflower" mortar with direct fire at armored targets, a special cumulative mine has been developed, the minimum range of such firing is 800 meters... The maximum range when firing on a hinged trajectory is 4200 meters.

                        So draw conclusions about the suitability of even a "Cornflower", even a mortar based on "Sanei" - "Gorse" for "smoking out barmaley from ambushes on patrol convoys" with direct fire ...
                      8. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 16: 49
                        -1
                        The possibility of direct fire is an unconditional plus of a breech-loading mortar, even if the range is not great. And as for redundancy, this is completely out of place, even 152-mm Akatsia self-propelled guns were used to guide the columns, and they did not complain about redundancy. And here is a very versatile wheeled vehicle with a much greater motor life.
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 19 May 2021 12: 58
      +1
      Are you again? They don't ambush you 12,7. Then they carry without recoil. Decide already. And understand. Mortar for a completely different
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 13: 06
        -1
        Your ignorance does you no credit. It was the recoilless weapons that carried the spirits to ambushes in Afghanistan, they are much lighter than the DShK. Large-caliber machine guns are placed where it is not planned to withdraw with them and there is no need to change position. And the mortar is the most convenient weapon for repelling ambush attacks, so they were used. Aggressive ignorance is bad, very bad.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 19 May 2021 13: 48
          0
          KORD works confidently with bipods. 12,7 since the days of the Afghani have lost so much weight.
          AGS even 30 mm is much better than a mortar at the distances from which the columns are fired.
          And I will repeat myself. The most dangerous enemy is always the highest priority target. Be the Typhoon the strongest machine in the convoy and the second will be razed. (The leader will be immobilized first.) He has very little armor. Until the target finds it will already burn. Not for that.
        2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 13: 52
          -2
          Since the escort vehicles are a priority goal, without them we will go and hide defenseless in the back, and how will we emerge, how will we throw off the awning and show everyone? wassat
        3. garri-lin
          garri-lin 19 May 2021 14: 11
          -1
          Could be so. But it is better for the escort vehicle to have high combat stability. So that I was not engaged in self-defense, but fulfilled the task. The column was guarded.
        4. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 14: 28
          -3
          And what is in your understanding of the high combat stability of the escort vehicle? Do you need a 152 mm self-propelled howitzer or a ZU-23-2 in the back? I can't keep up with the wide flights of your thoughts, then we will go under the awning without escort cars, because they will be fired at, then give stability.
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        6. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 17: 29
          -1
          So the escort armored personnel carriers were the first to try to knock out, so what? Shall we give them up too because of your anticipatory fearfulness?
        7. garri-lin
          garri-lin 19 May 2021 20: 27
          -1
          How about the BMP? Have you forgotten about the BMP?
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 19 May 2021 18: 09
        +1
        Quote: garri-lin
        Typhoon 7,62 does not hold armor piercing.

        The article directly says that the armor in the 4th class according to OTT (NOT GOST, but OTT) - from a rifle 7,62 mm with t.s. protection.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 19 May 2021 12: 55
    0
    It is easier not to carry the stove but the Tray assembly. So as not to bother with installation / dismantling. The price of a mortar barrel is minuscule. The weight is even less.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 19 May 2021 11: 14
    +1
    Quote: PiK
    Elementary - the regular breech is screwed

    Do mortars "love" to screw breeches? In the "world" there are several self-propelled mortar systems, where muzzle-loading (!) Mortars are used, even "inventing" "muzzle-loading" automatic loaders for them!
    1. Peak
      Peak 19 May 2021 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Do mortars "love" to screw the breeches?

      "Loves-loves not" does not channel here. They have to periodically carry out this procedure when servicing the mortar.
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      In the "world" there are several self-propelled mortar systems, where muzzle-loading (!) Mortars are used, even "inventing" "muzzle-loading" automatic loaders for them!

      Well, why "invent" such a system, if you can "hide" everything inside the machine, and, moreover, make the system more universal and flexible?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 19 May 2021 12: 33
        0
        Quote: PiK
        use muzzle-loading (!) mortars, even "inventing" "muzzle-loading" automatic loaders for them!

        Well, why "invent" such a system ...

        “And yet it turns!” - as Galileo said, who was almost burned for “heresy”! recourse
        1. Peak
          Peak 19 May 2021 15: 01
          -1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          “And yet it turns!” - as Galileo said, who was almost burned for “heresy”!

          Nevertheless, the inventors of "bicycles" are not particularly honored.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 19 May 2021 15: 16
            0
            Quote: PiK
            Nevertheless, the inventors of "bicycles" are not particularly honored.

            Why celebrate them? They already live well! If you only knew how many new models have appeared only since the beginning of the 21st century! And what a trend they are!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 May 2021 05: 48
    +1
    Thank you, Cyril, for the information.
    All of these features are already being used in several projects.

    The possibilities of using such equipment for small sabotage groups or units in local conflicts are undoubtedly in demand. Any technique, and even more specialized, is better than a duffel bag and packing on the shoulders. The increased mobility of the subunit allows it to solve tasks in a short period of time and leave the combat area (or conduct defense with greater opportunities.
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    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 19 May 2021 15: 27
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Any technique, and even more specialized, is better than a duffel bag and packing on the shoulders

      Technique, unlike a duffel bag and packing on the shoulders, needs fuel and road, and the carrier of the packing can carry it for several days even without soldering on moral and volitional qualities.
  • mark1
    mark1 19 May 2021 06: 22
    +3
    I did not understand what, in addition to comfort, this technique gives specifically to the Airborne Forces. Taking into account the dimensions (not small), the protection class would be good 5-6, the inability to swim, probably, should be compensated by the possibility of using some kind of auxiliary floating facilities (inflatable casings, pontoons) or the ability to forcing along the bottom. Well, and so on. "Harmful" fantasies, in my opinion, far from the Airborne Forces, leading to the appearance of a BRDM with enhanced mine protection ...
    But for the Rosgvardia and patrolling the roads, the machine is the very thing.
    I expect well-deserved "phi" in the style - "well, that's deflope! ..."
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 19 May 2021 06: 48
      0
      Absolutely agree. In terms of weight and number of soldiers, it is comparable to the BMD-4M. But in terms of armament, it is not even close. And the Typhoon-VDV has no opportunity to swim. Highway mobility? Is it really necessary for the Airborne Forces? After all, they are from heaven and into battle!
      And in general, for the sake of stuffing the pockets of shareholders of various firms and small firms, we have a terrible disunification not only on the scale of the Armed Forces, but also in specific branches of the armed forces and military units.
      And with the notorious "stool", by the way, thanks to the efforts of the head of the State Aviation Technical University Shevchenko, they just began to stubbornly fight her. But the new boss, Bibik, probably doesn't think so. Is that bad.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 May 2021 09: 12
        +2
        BMD, there is a BMD ...... this is a patrol car ... a semi-MRAP. reconnaissance, convoys to accompany, a bunch of special vehicles made on its basis. There are civilian units and a resource. you can't stuff all this into a BMD
        1. mark1
          mark1 19 May 2021 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          ... this is a patrol car ... semi-MRAP. reconnaissance, accompany the columns,

          And in the Airborne Forces, what should he do?
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 09: 56
            0
            Pull the howitzer with you.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 19 May 2021 10: 32
            0
            The Airborne Forces itself and its functions are controversial ...... it replaces both Gaz66 and UAZ and in some way BMD .... all these machines are in the Airborne Forces and they do something.
            1. mark1
              mark1 19 May 2021 12: 06
              0
              Truck and armored car replace each other in very rare cases - it will be bold.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 19 May 2021 12: 08
                +1
                Unarmored trucks in the army are planning to change to armored ... Urals, Kamaz, etc. And they try to protect from mines
              2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 12: 10
                0
                In your opinion, is it better to hang bulletproof vests on the doors of trucks as in Afghanistan?
                1. mark1
                  mark1 19 May 2021 12: 30
                  +1
                  In general, one continuous "deflop".
                  Bullet-proof vests as they were hung up and will be hung up - the 4th class of protection is available. Mine protection - let's agree closer to the middle (from the bottom), the hood helps. It doesn’t pull on a universal platform, would develop the "Vodnik", he could possibly have pulled it out (and still would have swum somehow). But babos are sawn perfectly - cost / efficiency beats cost.
                  1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                    Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 12: 33
                    +1
                    The constant mention of "babos" is already reminiscent of a mental disorder. If they wanted more expensive, they pushed the more expensive versions of Typhoon-K or U wherever possible.
                    1. mark1
                      mark1 19 May 2021 12: 46
                      0
                      Sergey Alexandrovich, how old are you? Adults already represent the economy more or less sensibly.
                      "Typhoons" K and U are also large and heavy (well, completely non-fertile)
                      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 12: 48
                        0
                        Enough to come to an understanding that not everything can be explained by money.
                      2. mark1
                        mark1 19 May 2021 12: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Enough to come to an understanding that not everything can be explained by money.

                        In this case, demagoguery.
                2. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 19 May 2021 13: 22
                  0
                  Typhoons, like the Tigers, can have different armor and weight ....... The main thing is not to force the paratroopers on the BMD to patrol the captured area and perform police functions ..... Like in Chechnya or Afghanistan. For this there is a MRAP ....
                  1. Old tanker
                    Old tanker 20 May 2021 06: 54
                    0
                    That is, you propose to have 2 sets of equipment in one department? One for combat, one for patrolling. What kind of game?
                    We now have military police to patrol, not the Airborne Forces.
                    Most likely, BMD and BTR-D will remain in the linear units of the Airborne Forces. But in the anti-aircraft, reconnaissance, commandant and other combat support will be "Typhoons-K / VDV".
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 20 May 2021 08: 15
                      0
                      Where does ATGM and Mortar belong?
                    2. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 21 May 2021 16: 31
                      0
                      ATGM - in the anti-tank battery of the regiment. A mortar in a mortar platoon of a battalion fire support company. There is also a platoon of MANPADS, which can be planted on the Typhoon-Air Defense. As well as the remaining machine-gun and grenade-launcher platoon of this company on the Typhoonki. And this company will be on a single base
              3. Blackgrifon
                Blackgrifon 19 May 2021 18: 07
                +1
                Quote: mark1
                Bullet-proof vests as they were hung up and will be hung up - the 4th class of protection is available.

                4 class of protection according to OTT - why else are body armor?
                1. mark1
                  mark1 19 May 2021 18: 28
                  0
                  Protection against bp 5,45 AK-74 from 7,62 AKM, especially 7.62x54 does not protect.
                  1. Blackgrifon
                    Blackgrifon 19 May 2021 18: 41
                    +2
                    Again. You give data according to GOST, which has not been valid for several years, and in the article - class 4 according to OTT (the cat has not been completely published, but data about the cat can be found. For example, "armored according to the domestic level 2, which implies protection from bullets with a heat-strengthened core of a 5,45 × 39 mm cartridge from AK-74, bullets with a heat-strengthened core of a 7,62 × 39 mm cartridge from AKM and bullets with a non-heat-strengthened core of a 7,62 × 54 mm cartridge from SVD "(https : //topwar.ru/173132-arzamasskaja-strela-mladshaja-sestra-tigra.html) - this is in relation to the Arrow).
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 19 May 2021 13: 03
      0
      There, the price is astronomical. It is still unclear which is cheaper than Typhoon or bmd. (Joke)
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 May 2021 13: 23
        0
        The new BMD-4s aren't cheap either. There is a panoramic night light and a sight and much more.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 19 May 2021 13: 50
          0
          Tobish is much more powerful. And talk about the price of Typhoon comes up regularly. At one time they even wanted to give up the hydropneumatic suspension. And she is an element of BM stabilization.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 19 May 2021 15: 59
            +2
            It is necessary to compare the serial sample ... and nothing new is cheap in the Russian Federation. We pay taxes, take loans, get salaries ... And the typhoon is not a UAZ by design
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 19 May 2021 16: 38
              0
              Typhoon is not a UAZ. We need to wait and compare the price of the serial weapon with the price of other weapons.
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 16: 52
                0
                So what are you not waiting for, but scattering statements about astronomical prices?
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 19 May 2021 17: 05
                  0
                  Because the Ministry of Defense has already raised this topic. Without numbers, but with slightly fucking intonations. Even here, on VO there was an article. How expensive is not said but what is dear is recognized.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 19 May 2021 17: 13
                0
                Well Typhoon Wu, for example, costs 68 million rubles.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 19 May 2021 17: 16
                  0
                  Just a different type of technique. In the Typhoon of the Airborne Forces, a lot of innovative things have been implemented. One active hydropneumatic suspension is worth a lot. Nice car but not an army one.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 19 May 2021 09: 45
    +1
    And how long have they gone into battle and from the sky?) They are more and more on the ground for a long time. And yet, the wheels are decently cheaper in operation and the BMD resource is not rubber. As for the unification ... everything is adjusted to the Typhoon K and U and Tornado platforms. They displace everything else in a very systematic manner.
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 21 May 2021 16: 37
      0
      So they constantly teach from the sky and into battle, including the landing of equipment. They are constantly working on their main purpose.
      Well, wheeled vehicles will never completely displace tracked vehicles.
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 19 May 2021 13: 02
    +1
    Figs with him with BMD 4. The weight is the same as that of an armored personnel carrier and the wheels are half as much. And at the same time they claim that the permeability is high. Do you believe it? I personally do not.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 19 May 2021 16: 02
      +1
      This is not an BTR-80. he has a TK ... and they did it. This is not a cutting edge car. It is not necessary to cross the trenches.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 19 May 2021 16: 44
        0
        Through the trenches it may not be necessary. But otherwise, how? Rugged terrain? Damp virgin soil or soggy primers rolled out by tanks? We laughed when the Humvees got stuck in the sand. Then they justified themselves patriotically when the Tigers driven off the road got stuck in the sand. This could cost the lives of the soldiers. The usefulness of the MILITARY equipment should be high. And the Typhoon most of all resembles a police armored car, old-fashioned to ersatz war. For PMCs, riot police also ride on it. Not soldiers.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 May 2021 16: 45
          0
          The Tiger has very good cross-country ability ...... it is regulated by weight and protection class.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 19 May 2021 17: 03
            -1
            Tiger versus Typhoon fluff. And the Typhoon weight of 13,5 tons is the weight of the base configuration. Without BM. Armor from 5,45.
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 19 May 2021 18: 12
              0
              Where did you get the idea that he has only 5,45 mm armor? The article directly states that protection is in class 4 for OTT, and this is at least armor-piercing rifle 7,62 by 54. The usual 5,45 mm holds 1 class of protection. Even Gazovskaya Arrow is of 2nd class.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 19 May 2021 20: 39
                -1
                Protection class 4 holds an armor piercing 7,62 × 54? Oh, I don’t remember I don’t remember. Although I will not argue.
        2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 16: 55
          0
          Your perception of an armored car as a policeman is your problem, this is primarily a tractor, in the Airborne Forces for the D-30 howitzer. And it is much better than the GAZ-66 for this.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 19 May 2021 17: 07
            -1
            And the Shell is even better.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 17: 09
              +2
              But the service life of tracked vehicles is lower, and sometimes the tracks fly off. And for what then the GAZ-66 was intended, they would have abandoned it with an orientation towards MTLB, but they did not do that.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 19 May 2021 17: 13
                -2
                The caterpillars fly off. Just like the wheels fall off. And the two-axle Typhoon, having lost the wheel along with the hub, will not go anywhere. Unlike the same armored personnel carrier. Motorcycle skaters carried a lot of things and carried a lot. As if for this purpose they were created.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 17: 20
                  +1
                  GAZ-66, having lost a wheel and a hub, would it look better?
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 19 May 2021 18: 00
                    -2
                    Why change one thing that doesn't fit very well. On the other, which is also not perfect? It didn't even sew on soap, but soap on soap.
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            2. Old tanker
              Old tanker 21 May 2021 16: 42
              0
              MT-LB is not intended for leasing. But in the ground forces it is MT-LB anti-tank "Rapiers" that carry.
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich 21 May 2021 21: 43
                0
                It depends on where, we did not have a "Rapier" at all, at least I did not see them, and MTLB as tractors too. The ZIL-131 and the Ural were used as tractors.
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 May 2021 17: 07
          0
          The D-30 has already ceased to be produced. This is both a tractor and an armament carrier.
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 17: 12
            0
            The Airborne Forces have no other howitzer, nor are they self-propelled guns. While it is in service, it must be pulled with something. Tracked vehicles are not always suitable for this.
            The D-30 is regularly declared obsolete, but no one can offer anything in return. In the United States, the large-caliber Browning has been in service for about 100 years, and they are not particularly worried about this.
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 19 May 2021 18: 17
    -1
    Quote: Old Tankman
    And in general, for the sake of stuffing the pockets of shareholders of various firms and small firms, we have a terrible disunification not only on the scale of the Armed Forces, but also in specific branches of the armed forces and military units.
    And with the notorious "stool", by the way, thanks to the efforts of the head of the State Aviation Technical University Shevchenko, they just began to stubbornly fight her. But the new boss, Bibik, probably doesn't think so. Is that bad.

    1. Kamaz and Remdizel are one and the same, and they made the car unified according to the Typhoon program. Which they started with Stouretkin. By the way, Kamaz is a 40% state company, unlike, for example, GAZ and the Urals.
    2. The resource of the BMD is MUCH less than that of the wheeled vehicle, and any detonation under the bottom turns it into a sea of ​​debris. And with ergonomics in it is not very good.
  • Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 08: 50
    0
    Did the GAZ-66 give you a lot of what you have listed? Was he swimming, had the appropriate protection class or had auxiliary floating craft?
    I remember that he even performed his direct purpose as a tractor of the D-30 howitzer with difficulty.
    1. mark1
      mark1 19 May 2021 09: 24
      0
      But he (GAZ-66) is not an armor but a truck and their tasks (with the Typhoon) are different.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 09: 28
        0
        They have exactly the same tasks, one is defenseless and weak, and the other is protected and powerful, both tractors and a platform for different weapons.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 19 May 2021 06: 28
    0
    Fourth class of protection. Guaranteed protection against bullets of the Kalashnikov assault rifle 5.45. And there is no guarantee against AKM bullets.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 19 May 2021 06: 59
      -1
      over the past 15 years, which version of the armored car? I've already lost count.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 May 2021 09: 15
        0
        I'm wondering how it will be bred into niches with Tiger 2 ....
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 19 May 2021 09: 46
        0
        Which was adopted by the Ministry of Defense en masse? Tiger and Lynx. The Ministry of Defense did not buy anything else in this class in large quantities.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 19 May 2021 07: 23
      0
      And the stained-glass windows of the windshields seem to hint that it is categorically not recommended to go to the distance of a direct shot (the cannon module on the roof) for this car. With a mortar, it's a little better - you can smack from closed positions.
      Its niche is analogous to a jihad mobile. Only factory, not artisanal.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 May 2021 09: 14
        0
        There is still an option with Cornet ...
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 10: 12
          -1
          The medical most controversial option, too high for this, although still better than nothing.
          1. Peak
            Peak 19 May 2021 10: 47
            +1
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Medical most controversial option, too high for this


            You are confusing the concept ambulance , large enough and roomy, and small "squat" means of evacuation of the wounded from the battlefield ("front end conveyors")


            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 10: 53
              -1
              Something tells me that with such armor it is possible to go to the front edge. Or the car turns out to be too narrowly intended.
              1. Peak
                Peak 19 May 2021 10: 56
                -2
                Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                Something tells me that with such armor it is possible to go to the front edge.

                If only - "according to the situation."
                There are few, very few examples in the history of wars when opponents allowed each other to freely collect and evacuate the wounded and dead.

                Armor, in this case, protection during transportation in the frontal zone.
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 10: 58
                  0
                  The armor, according to the sensations, is no worse than that of MTLB, where there is an opportunity to drive up quite a replacement.
                  1. Peak
                    Peak 19 May 2021 11: 01
                    -2
                    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                    The armor, according to the sensations, is no worse than that of MTLB, where there is an opportunity to drive up quite a replacement.

                    All this already refers to the practice of application, which rests entirely with the command in a particular sector or situation.

                    The main thing is that there will be a car in the army, but they will figure out how to use it.
                2. loki565
                  loki565 19 May 2021 17: 04
                  0
                  As the war in the DPR showed, they were evacuated from the front line on the motalygs, but the enemy was "frightened" thinking that such an attack was starting, and began to heap mortars. An armored car is much better suited for these purposes, it is quieter, its speed and maneuverability are greater.
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 19 May 2021 12: 26
            +3
            Medical most controversial option
            Medical is just not controversial at all. Quite to myself
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 12: 28
              0
              Isn't it high?
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 19 May 2021 12: 33
                0
                Isn't it high?
                For what? Anything lower than some medical kung based in the Urals
                1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                  Sergey Aleksandrovich 19 May 2021 12: 35
                  -4
                  It's easier to push a stretcher into a UAZ loaf or MTLB. So the question remains.
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 19 May 2021 12: 46
                    0
                    It's easier to push a stretcher into a UAZ loaf or MTLB.
                    In the UAZ - I do not argue. Truth and capacity there is no. But in motorcycling - I would argue.
        2. loki565
          loki565 19 May 2021 17: 07
          0
          There is still an option with Cornet ...

          Yes, much needed modifications
  • The Dragon
    The Dragon 19 May 2021 11: 55
    0
    And the "Lens" is also made on this basis?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 19 May 2021 22: 51
    -3
    The armored car is equipped with a domestic diesel engine with a capacity of 350 hp. with automatic transmission.
    Why does a domestic armored car need an automatic transmission - is it designed to move on the autobahns, to carry tourists? sad
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 20 May 2021 09: 52
      0
      And on the BMP semi-automatic, then for what? Let the driver-mechanic switch the speed with re-gas, so what?
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 21 May 2021 16: 50
      +1
      With an automatic transmission, driver fatigue on the march is significantly reduced and control is easier.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 May 2021 13: 06
    -2
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    And on the BMP semi-automatic, then for what? Let the driver-mechanic switch the speed with re-gas, so what?
    Ask the developers. When I was taught at the school to drive the BMP-1, the instructor did not require any re-gas movement, and without her I coped perfectly with changing gears.
    PS "Speeds" do not switch - switch gears. lol
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 20 May 2021 13: 53
      -1
      Because there is a semiautomatic device. And if you installed your dream, a box without synchronizers, you would have enjoyed driving like a GAZ-52 with a gas switch. The box will be simpler, as in your dreams, except that you already start quickly from a grenade shot and you won't be able to get away.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 May 2021 14: 06
    -1
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    Because there is a semiautomatic device. And if you installed your dream, a box without synchronizers, you would have enjoyed driving like a GAZ-52 with a gas switch. The box will be simpler, as in your dreams, except that you already start quickly from a grenade shot and you won't be able to get away.

    I don’t understand what is the connection between the BMP gearbox and the Typhoon? Laughed - with the help of automatic transmission want to dodge a grenade shot, rzhunimagu! lol wassat
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 20 May 2021 14: 30
      0
      Laugh on, rzhinimagi, but that's exactly how they got away from the grenade launcher shots, either braking abruptly or starting abruptly. And, you say, I graduated from a military school.
      So be it, as a career soldier, I will reveal a military secret. An RPG-7 grenade or a recoilless gun flies relatively slowly, if you notice a flash from a shot in time, then the driver has 2-3 seconds to get away from being hit.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 May 2021 14: 36
    0
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    Laugh on, rzhinimagi, but that's exactly how they got away from the grenade launcher shots, either braking abruptly or starting abruptly. And, you say, I graduated from a military school.
    So be it, as a career soldier, I will reveal a military secret. An RPG-7 grenade or a recoilless gun flies relatively slowly, if you notice a flash from a shot in time, then the driver has 2-3 seconds to get away from being hit.

    I don’t need to tell you how fast the PG-7V shot flies - he shot himself, and they shot at me in some not so distant regions. Tell your children fairy tales about the semi-automatic gearbox on the BMP-1, dodging with the automatic transmission, and the flight speed ... your thoughts. lol I do not need. In general, my dear to you ... in the garden, in the garden - right there! wassat
  • Radikal
    Radikal 21 May 2021 18: 32
    -1
    Quote: Old Tanker
    With an automatic transmission, driver fatigue on the march is significantly reduced and control is easier.

    Are you judging by your Lexus? They themselves marched in a convoy, on tracked, or automotive vehicles, at what distances, what kind of transmission the equipment had, how many manual transmissions or automatic transmissions were out of order - how did they change them, and did they change at all? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 21 May 2021 18: 47
    0
    Quote: Old Tanker
    With an automatic transmission, driver fatigue on the march is significantly reduced and control is easier.

    If the Allison cars on these armored cars start to fail at the start of the war, will you order them from the States? sad lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 May 2021 18: 25
    0
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Old Tanker
    With an automatic transmission, driver fatigue on the march is significantly reduced and control is easier.

    If the Allison cars on these armored cars start to fail at the start of the war, will you order them from the States? sad lol

    Why are we silent - old tttt ... ankist? Do you have contacts to supply boxes from the States? winked wassat
    And figs there - experts so your "aunt" are already accustomed to automatic transmission, and there - they advise .... We won the world war on a primitive "Zakhara"! Here is an example - Bussings, Daimlers, and other Tatras pissed away our "lorry"! And why? And because it was possible to repair it "on the knee", that's the whole story! And where will you find yourself with your "comfortable" automatic transmission - in the desert, if it "croaks"? That's it. I do not expect an answer. sad