The timing of the start of overhaul and modernization of the TARKR "Peter the Great"

Flagship of the North fleet the heavy nuclear missile cruiser (TARKR) "Peter the Great" will be sent for overhaul and modernization, work on the ship is already planned. This was told by Vladimir Pospelov, a member of the military-industrial complex and the Marine Collegium under the government.

According to Pospelov, the TARKR "Peter the Great" will be upgraded immediately after the completion of work on the same type of cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", the ship has been included in the repair plan. At the moment, the volume of planned work on the ship has not been determined, this will be done only after the modernization of the "Admiral Nakhimov" RIA News his words.

According to the latest news, TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" will return to the fleet either at the end of 2022, as stated by the Ministry of Defense, or in 2023, according to sources in the defense industry. Thus, "Peter the Great" will start modernization in any case, either in 2023 or 2024.

It can be assumed that the modernization of the "Petr" will not differ much from the "Nakhimov", because the ships are of the same type and no one will spend extra funds on the development of a new modernization project. But the volume of work carried out will depend on the funds allocated for this.

The exact nomenclature of weapons of the modernized TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" is unknown, but instead of a missile system with an anti-ship missile system "Granit" the cruiser has already received unified launchers UKSK 3S14, for cruise missiles "Caliber", "Onyx", "Bramos" and possibly "Zircon". Also, the cruiser was to receive the Fort-M and Pantsir-M air defense systems, as well as the Paket-NK and Otvet anti-submarine missile systems. Let's hope that "Peter the Great" will also receive new weapons.

TARKR "Peter the Great" was laid down at the Baltic shipyard on August 25, 1986, launched on April 25, 1989. In 1992 he received the name "Peter the Great". It entered the Northern Fleet on April 18, 1998. Today - the only "Orlan" project 1144, which is in service. It is the largest nuclear powered non-aircraft operating ship in the world.

Comments

[Alien From]

A comrade served on Petra, for 3 years he did not bypass everything) great news, the main thing is not to move "to the right"

[For example]

the cruiser has already received unified launchers UKSK 3S14, for cruise missiles "Caliber", "Onyx", "Brahmos"and possibly" Zircon ".

About how!
Are you going to shoot Indian rockets?
Onyx did not suit the author?

[TermNachTer]

You have to understand that the author listed all the anti-ship missiles that he knew))) but in general I wanted to know more about the modernization of the Nakhimov, of course, without violating the secrecy regime.

[Romario_Argo]

the author listed all the anti-ship missiles that he knew)))

not all
for place 20 torpedoes and RPK-6M PLUR Waterfall - 20 new PLUR Answer
most likely, the wider modernization will be
will supply 4 canvases of the Yenisei radar station from the S-500
under PR 77N6 (space), 40N6 missiles from S-400 (400 km), 9M96E2 from S-350 (150 km)
well, 80 anti-ship missiles are cool, like Nakhimov's

[TermNachTer]

Thanks, I read that too. I would like it to be more substantive, with drawings (not detailed) and approximate calculations (not secret). What you have listed is from the category of good intentions, I'm wondering how real it all is - "in hardware". I would like to hear the opinion of shipbuilders, armed men, electronics engineers.

[Romario_Argo]

I think that the article just says between the lines that it will be determined by 2023
will run the BIUS on Nakhimov to interface with all air defense systems and missile systems

[Bad_gr]

Quote: TermNachTER

I would like it to be more substantive, with drawings (not detailed) and approximate calculations (not secret).

[TermNachTer]

Thank you. Informative and interesting. Now, God forbid, so quickly.

[Model101]

was laid down at the Baltic Shipyard on August 25, 1986, launched on April 25, 1989

In three years, in three. Will there be more of this ??

[TermNachTer]

Alas, the Soviet Union had a planned economy, not semi-savage capitalism.

[ramzay21]

So here and Pike B they built faster than Salmon under the USSR, which, according to Putin, could only make galoshes.

[arkadiyssk]

It would be delusional nonsense - to put equipment different from Nakhimov. The risks are huge in terms of timing - so Nakhimov will be modernized in almost 10 years, and Peter will also be run in for a new 10? It can easily be exactly the same as with the original series - when each ship was different from the next and everything was not really brought to the end.

[Romario_Argo]

Onyx did not suit the author?

I would have thought of something else, that they can also spoil the new CR X-50
it is shorter than Calibers, 6 meters long, range 1500 km.
I think it will find their goals

[Ruslan Sulima]

A comrade served on Petra, for 3 years he did not bypass everything) great news, the main thing is not to move "to the right"

Well, you can't even go around the whole sea minesweeper, I haven't been to the SPS secretary's cabin), although they were given 3 days to study the ship, after which they had an exam. And try to be mistaken when answering how to get from the first corridor there to the third cockpit, or from the trawl view room to the hydroacoustic compartment

[Ruslan Sulima]

Comrade conscript could not serve there for three years, the ship was not part of the fleet under the USSR, it was only built. It entered the Northern Fleet in 1998.

Well, let's be fair, the term was not mentioned there. Maybe a cricket, maybe a failed midshipman, you never know such ShMiPs released)

[Machito]

Peter will most likely be armed in the same way as Nakhimov. They would be paired with Kerch helicopter carriers with AWACS helicopters, and a warrant of frigates, corvettes, Ash. And we will have two KUGs for visiting the seas of sworn friends.

[bayard]

Quote: Bearded

They would be paired with Kerch helicopter carriers with AWACS helicopters,

Orlan normally takes on board 3 helicopters. One of them may well be AWACS, if such helicopters were still available. Judging by open sources, there are only 2 of them in our fleet, and both are on Kuznetsov. We need new developments (RLK) and the production of such / similar AWACS helicopters in an amount of at least 30 pieces. for all fleets.
And he (“Nakhimov”) will go together with “Kuzya”, and when “Peter” comes out of the modernization, he may already be paired with something on the way.

[antivirus]

someone calculated the reaction of "neutral Brazil" and Indonesia with Colombia, to such KUG-AUGi? the truth is, there is also Argentina and India with China ... and it’s not strange with Vietnam ...
not in welders and RLK (-S) business --- but in the relics of the veins of the diplomats of the Russian Federation, and the "collective Deripaska". These are the customers of the demonstration of the power of "my country" - while the yacht is in short supply.

[bayard]

Quote: antivirus

not in welders and RLK (-S) business --- but in the relics of the veins of the diplomats of the Russian Federation, and the "collective Deripaska".

Deripaska promised to improve and even become a little bit good. Perhaps he will even pay taxes (not all, but for decency). And it is possible that these "citizens of the world" will start returning their capital to Russia ... Otherwise, democracy will confiscate it.
But they want to negotiate preferential terms for themselves - like, we continue not to pay taxes, but we (partly) invest the profit in Russia.
But the elections will soon be held and again everything will remain the same.
But their business still needs protection.

[antivirus]

Deripaska's protection - in his detachment to the necessary people in the Russian Federation and the United States from the EU (owners of money)

[sanek45744]

AHAKHA 3 days well, it already sewed. there is no need to tell such tales.

[Ruslan Sulima]

AHAKHA 3 days well, it already sewed. there is no need to tell such tales.

Full minus! Was not, do not la-la. This is how I was taught, I was taught this way. If in three days I could not study the ship, find out all the paths of movement, where is what room, the path to the berbaz, we in Novozernoye had just such a thing. You either fumble, or in burnouts at the gathering.

I, damn it, even now remember how to go if necessary, I may not say the numbers of the vestibules, but, let's say, the 3D model of the ship is still in my head, and the egg of the hydroacoustics, and the "dickhead" of the BCH-2 radio operator,

[sanek45744]

Ahah again funny. What makes you think that I was not there? I was there and it’s just funny to me from what you write.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Ahah again funny. What makes you think that I was not there? I was there and it’s just funny to me from what you write.

Did you go out in burnouts? Dust from Moscow? Or Meshcheryakov from Volgograd, skiing with a Crimean Tatar (I can't remember his last name) or trying to drown himself from the young?

[sanek45744]

Yes, you're stuck in the edge. I served in the KSF on a steamer. What you write about 3 days is complete bullshit. Not an officer for 3 days will not do anything to you. Leave your stories to yourself. In 3 days you will not exactly understand where what you will not understand in 3 days still where you are. And ali stories about write-offs are generally game.

[sanek45744]

Okay, I see you have zero adequacy. Let's say goodbye. A month is given for everything to pass the test. During this time, you are just a passenger on the ship and no one puts you on watch. For 3 days, it’s stupid that no one will tell you everything you’re talking about.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Okay, I see you have zero adequacy

Smiled)

A month is given for everything to pass the test. During this time, you are just a passenger on the ship and no one puts you on watch.

Are you a midshipman or a former? ... Sorry, but even a cap came to our cockpit as a last resort, it was easier for him to play a drill) ...
3 days ... 3 days to explore the entire ship
Although stop ...
I was from school, I was taught how to work with GUS ...
I have 3 days ...

[sanek45744]

And what does the cap have to do with it? If you are talking about the vessel that you had in the photo, maybe 3 days were enough for you. I'm talking about big steamers. No, I served as a mattress. Ahah of the whole ship. No one will teach the whole ship. Your combat post and actions with the RBZ.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Your combat post and actions with the RBZ.

You stupid, got into the conversation ...

Well, you can't even go around the whole sea minesweeper,

You can talk about anything ...
I have the honor! Petty officer of the second class of the reserve, commander of the hydroacoustics department of mine detection stations VUS 345

[sanek45744]

Ahahah, I'm telling you you're inadequate. You are comparing a vessel with a large steamer. Tell me what I said stupidly. everyone on the ship must know their combat post and actions in the RBZh and that's it. and if you were strained by the type of luxury oil, then this is purely your problem and it is not necessary to introduce people into confusion. as a little boy puts minuses to me, you still please go to my mother. Usually anchors like you are dull at first for a terrible and then when they become fierce for a year. all do not write more, I understood everything about you.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Ahahah, I'm telling you you're inadequate. You are comparing a vessel with a large steamer. Tell me what I said stupidly. everyone on the ship must know their combat post and actions in the RBZh and that's it. and if you were strained by the type of luxury oil, then this is purely your problem and it is not necessary to introduce people into confusion. as a little boy puts minuses to me, you still please go to my mother. Usually anchors like you are dull at first for a terrible and then when they become fierce for a year. all do not write more, I understood everything about you.

Yes, I'm talking to you about your stupidity ... I was well taught, according to the combat book I was the commander of the first emergency batch, I had to extinguish it a couple of times. With oils in general, it's class, however, at times, when our little ones gave us the go-ahead, the pills are tough.
I remembered the arrival of such a little mustachioed, like on a visit after demobilization.
Yelling, let me go, I served here!
Well, here I was on the bottom. One and a half calls from the gangplank, I go out, watch me like this and so, can I bang this condom? This? Yes, you can I once touched his face on his karasevka. Bayonet-knife to me, I change you from the watch.

[sanek45744]

how stubbornly stupid!

[antivirus]

Our fleet has not yet grown in importance and scale of tasks to be carried out to TARKR or TAKR "Borodino" ... at the village of Borodino, the fate of the Poles and others in Europe was decided.
and how hot will someone have AB "Kulikovo Pole"! .... with the dimensions of the deck as on the Kulikovo Pole ..... we are waiting ...
in the meantime, boulevards and school grounds need to be swept more thoroughly to gain competencies

[SARANCHA1976]

Taking into account almost 30 years of Nakhimov's downtime, where should you go to the right?

[tralflot1832]

Well, well, we will have two of the most powerful ships in the world! Murmansk and Severomorsk will sleep peacefully, unlike Norway and England.

[tralflot1832]

Who minus slapped, guys from the Far East, for what you need to share?

[Thrifty]

It is a pity that two cruisers of the same type will go to waste, the hulls are good, you can use them to create helicopter carriers or light aircraft carriers on their basis.

[LifeIsGood]

O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project than to remodel hulls that are already 30 years old ...

[For example]

Quote: LifeIsGood

O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project ...

So why didn't you build it?
If everything is so simple and cheap, why don't dozens of new "Eagles" ply the vastness of the ocean?

[LifeIsGood]

What are you talking about and why?
This is from the topic "We are talking about airplanes, and you are here with the prices of bread" ...

[max702]

Quote: For example

Quote: LifeIsGood

O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project ...

So why didn't you build it?
If everything is so simple and cheap, why don't dozens of new "Eagles" ply the vastness of the ocean?

What for? What's the point in this? What will happen to the country?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Thrifty

can be used to create helicopter carriers on their basis, or light aircraft carriers.

what fantasy did you use?

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Duc, here, on the Military Review in the "Armament" section, the article "Requiem for the Soviet Navy .."

... 7. Construction of a new light training aircraft carrier (assault helicopter ship) or re-equipment of the Project 1144 missile cruiser for an aircraft carrier (for example, repair with modernization of the TARKR "Ushakov" or "Lazarev" as an aircraft carrier). The presence of the second "deck" will allow to supply Kuznetsov for proper repair (or to provide the Pacific Fleet's "ship deck").

If I have not forgotten how to read, they directly spoke in the conversion of Eagles into light aircraft carriers ...

[Scharnhorst]

Do not read Klimov's hysterical articles with abusive comments from Timokhin before lunch.)

[NEOZ]

Quote: Scharnhorst

articles by Klimov with abusive comments from Timokhin.)

you know, it seemed to me that this is one person !!!

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Scharnhorst

Do not read Klimov's hysterical articles with abusive comments from Timokhin before lunch.)

when Klimov writes that he knows, it can be read, and when he is not for the sake of self-interest, but only by the will of Timokhin, who sent him, proposes to drive the aircraft carrier to Kaliningrad, showing a deep misunderstanding of the depths ... of ports and canals ... but ... with this Klimov objectively proved the uselessness of a bulky aircraft carrier, constrained by the draft and size, when the leaders of the totalitarian destructive sect of aircraft carriers have been looking for months for whatever purpose to attach it and cannot find that they are already trying to attach it to Kaliningrad

[Thrifty]

Gneisenau, oh Scharnhorst, do you forbid reading Klimov and Timokhin, or forgive the members of the forum not to read them?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Thrifty

Gneisenau, oh Scharnhorst, do you forbid reading Klimov and Timokhin, or forgive the members of the forum not to read them?

about! yes, you are forbidden here too !!!! ..... if it seems to you that you are constantly forbidden to do something, then, perhaps, it’s in you, don’t you think?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich

there they directly spoke in the alteration of the Eagles into light aircraft carriers ..

I can not find it, throw the link pliz.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

https://topwar.ru/182909-rekviem-sovetskomu-flotu-upuschennye-vozmozhnosti-tjazhelyh-atomnyh-krejserov-proekta-1144.html

The article "Requiem for the Soviet Navy. Lost Opportunities for Project 1144 Heavy Nuclear Cruisers". Posted in the "Armament" section yesterday at 03:51.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich

The article in the "Armament" section was posted yesterday

could not master ...

[bk0010]

Quote: NEOZ

what fantasy did you use?

Not fiction, the comrade remembered the realities of the Second World War. It's just that now this experience is irrelevant.

[NEOZ]

Quote: bk0010

Not fiction, the comrade remembered the realities of the Second World War. It's just that now this experience is irrelevant.

remind which fighting have the ships been converted to aircraft carriers?

[bk0010]

Cruisers, battleships.

[NEOZ]

Quote: bk0010

Cruisers, battleships.

what kind? specify the names. I will study this topic

[bk0010]

The battleship Hyuga, for example, the heavy cruiser Ibuki, the battlecruiser Saratoga, for example, is easily googled.

[NEOZ]

Quote: bk0010

The battleship "Hyuga"

Standard displacement 35-900 tons
At the stern, a small 60 meter flight deck was built for launching a squadron of aircraft and a storage hangar.
The planes were supposed to be launched from the ship using a catapult, but land either on conventional aircraft carriers or at ground bases.

Quote: bk0010

battle cruiser Saratoga

The same type with Lexington (CV-2) - Saratoga is also built on the basis of unfinished building battle cruiser. the most successful version of the aircraft carrier from the alterations.
Displacement standard 36 tons
ps
"Vikramaditya" - aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy
rebuilding from the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Gorshkov" through deep modernization.
Displacement standard 38 tons,
Aviation group 14-16 MiG-29K aircraft
PPP
Heavy nuclear missile cruiser of project 1144 "Orlan"
Displacement 23 tons (standard).
I suspect that the Peter the Great aircraft carrier will carry 4-6 MiG29K fighters and 2 helicopters ... the restructuring of this cruiser will result in several billion dollars ...
looks like even unscientific fiction !!!!!

[bk0010]

Quote: NEOZ

I suspect that the Peter the Great aircraft carrier will carry 4-6 MiG29K fighters and 2 helicopters ... the restructuring of this cruiser will result in several billion dollars ...

Yes, even 8-12, light aircraft carriers are not needed. A TAKR is needed.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

The Japanese converted an unfinished battleship of the Yamato-Shinano type into an aircraft carrier.
True, as they say, the alteration was not entirely successful - due to the design features of the corps, the air group turned out to be very, very modest.
However, it was passed - a fact

[Thrifty]

Has it become easier? The country does not have a fleet, ships are going on needles en masse, and for expressing their opinion, herds are inadequate, without explaining their antics, they stupidly minus! THE HOUSING CAN BE USED TO CREATE HELICOPTERS, OR LIGHT NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS - minus at least to the crap, I will not give up my opinion! !!

[bayard]

Quote: Thrifty

THE HULL CAN BE USED TO CREATE HELICOPTERS, OR LIGHT NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

It could be . If only one had realized it 10 - 15 years ago. Such work can only be carried out in Severodvinsk, and there everything is occupied by "Nakhimov", after which "Pyotr" will go for modernization. The rest just can't wait. Therefore, they refused to pull such a colossus from the Pacific Fleet (there was an idea to puzzle Zvezda (in Bolshoy Kamen) with such (modernization) work, but the terms of putting the shipyard into operation are a lot delayed, and no one wants to occupy the dock for a long time - they have orders for supertankers and gas carriers for 10 - 15 years ahead.
So there are hopes for the modernization of only two Orlans. But if the samples of weapons and CIUS work on them successfully, then in the future it is possible to lay heavy destroyers or cruisers with similar weapons in St. Petersburg. And the cost of their construction will not be greater than the modernization of Orlan ($ 1,5-2 billion).
In the meantime, we would have to wait for the first frigate 22350 from the domestic power plant. And so that the next ones already go rhythmically. And so far you can only dream about monsters - there is not enough money or resources for everything at once.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Thrifty

THE HULL CAN BE USED TO CREATE HELICOPTERS, OR LIGHT NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

Do you have an education 26.03.02.01/XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Shipbuilding and technical operation of ships and ship equipment?
on what basis do you make the assumption that hulls can be used? ... give examples of the successful use of warship hulls for the manufacture of aircraft carriers?

[Thrifty]

NEOZ-I do not understand, you FORBIDDEN to express my opinion? I do not want to be rude, but there are simply no normal words for your insolence! !!!!!!!!!

[NEOZ]

Quote: Thrifty

NEOZ-I didn't understand

I will try to convey to make it clear ...

Quote: Thrifty

do you FORBID me to express your opinion?

no one forbids you, where did you get the idea?

Quote: Thrifty

I do not want to be rude, but there are simply no normal words for your insolence! !!!!!!!!!

to be interested in what your opinion is based on do you consider impudence?

[Thrifty]

NEOZ - based on the words of a ship engineer, who in the 60s was in one design bureau, the leading designer for warships! They will allow him to voice his surname, someday, I'll write to you in a personal message! His opinion completely coincides with mine in terms of the crime of simply writing off and disposing of the hulls of warships, without the possibility of their application, restructuring, in a different form, a variant of a warship! This cruiser has been standing for a long time, wear is not critical, it can be rebuilt!

[bk0010]

Quote: Thrifty

buildings are good

No, ditched (rumored).

[Pavel57]

Quote: LifeIsGood

O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project than to remodel hulls that are already 30 years old ...

The building is designed for 50 years.

[bayard]

Quote: Pavel57

The building is designed for 50 years.

This means that they have another 15 - 20 years of residual resource. Even if today they are driven into modernization and completed in a record 5 years ... how many will remain there?
But apart from Severodvinsk, there is nowhere to modernize them. And there "Nakhimov" is not finished yet. And then "Peter" will come in. And in ten years ... the remaining hulls will not stay afloat.
That is why only two ships are being upgraded.

[tlauicol]

the volume of work carried out will depend on the funds allocated for this

what

[LifeIsGood]

It can be assumedthat the modernization of the "Petr" will not differ much from the "Nakhimov", because the ships are of the same type and no one will spend extra funds on the development of a new modernization project. But the volume of work carried out will depend on the funds allocated for this.

This is the spread of the author's thoughts on the table, do not pay attention ...

[Jacket in stock]

On the "Nakhimov" someone warmed up their hands quite well, if the repair of "Peter" does not differ, then oh!

And so, it is better, instead of an extra ten "Calibers", in the ammunition load of the heels of good long-range patrol / target designation drones, and with fifty one-off, simpler and cheaper. Anything will be more useful both in life and in battle.

[Kushka]

Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov

..... they directly spoke about rework ...

Alteration - it’s always wrong.
The girl comes to work and swears in the morning.
Employees ask - what happened?
- Imagine, yesterday I leave the office and
I meet a classmate! So he grabbed on
hands and almost on hands brought into the restaurant!
Then the hotel, in general, did everything right!
I came home, and my to ..... took redo
and ruined everything.

[demiurg]

The most beautiful BODs could carry the Packet, Fort and Carapace.

[bk0010]

It can be assumed that the modernization of "Petr" will not differ much from "Nakhimov",

I really hope so. To be updated and strengthened to the maximum.

[Alien ...]

Good news. There was a hope that nothing would be done with him. Will serve - and at rest ...

[Lair]

Many commentators who want Peter to undergo the same rearmament as Nakhimov forget the fact that the repair and modernization of Nakhimov cost the country and the navy enormous funds (100 billion rubles minimum) and went beyond a decent amount of time 3 years ago (Initially, the modernization of Nakhimov was planned to be completed in 2018, now they are talking about 2023). They also forget one more important fact now - Peter is currently limited in combat capability, he cannot go on a long campaign, he needs urgent repairs. Therefore, it is necessary to repair Peter right now, if we want to have a combat-ready ship. And to re-equip Peter, it will be enough to install UKSK 3S14 (for Caliber and Onyx) and install the Package, as well as repair existing weapons. Otherwise, the repair and modernization of Peter again will take 10 years and a hundred billion rubles.