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The timing of the start of overhaul and modernization of the TARKR "Peter the Great"

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Flagship of the North fleet the heavy nuclear missile cruiser (TARKR) "Peter the Great" will be sent for overhaul and modernization, work on the ship is already planned. This was told by Vladimir Pospelov, a member of the military-industrial complex and the Marine Collegium under the government.


According to Pospelov, the TARKR "Peter the Great" will be upgraded immediately after the completion of work on the same type of cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", the ship has been included in the repair plan. At the moment, the volume of planned work on the ship has not been determined, this will be done only after the modernization of the "Admiral Nakhimov" RIA News his words.

According to the latest news, TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" will return to the fleet either at the end of 2022, as stated by the Ministry of Defense, or in 2023, according to sources in the defense industry. Thus, "Peter the Great" will start modernization in any case, either in 2023 or 2024.

It can be assumed that the modernization of the "Petr" will not differ much from the "Nakhimov", because the ships are of the same type and no one will spend extra funds on the development of a new modernization project. But the volume of work carried out will depend on the funds allocated for this.

The exact nomenclature of weapons of the modernized TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" is unknown, but instead of a missile system with an anti-ship missile system "Granit" the cruiser has already received unified launchers UKSK 3S14, for cruise missiles "Caliber", "Onyx", "Bramos" and possibly "Zircon". Also, the cruiser was to receive the Fort-M and Pantsir-M air defense systems, as well as the Paket-NK and Otvet anti-submarine missile systems. Let's hope that "Peter the Great" will also receive new weapons.

TARKR "Peter the Great" was laid down at the Baltic shipyard on August 25, 1986, launched on April 25, 1989. In 1992 he received the name "Peter the Great". It entered the Northern Fleet on April 18, 1998. Today - the only "Orlan" project 1144, which is in service. It is the largest nuclear powered non-aircraft operating ship in the world.
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 17 May 2021 13: 45
    +16
    A comrade served on Petra, for 3 years he did not bypass everything) great news, the main thing is not to move "to the right"
    1. For example
      For example 17 May 2021 13: 49
      +5
      the cruiser has already received unified launchers UKSK 3S14, for cruise missiles "Caliber", "Onyx", "Brahmos"and possibly" Zircon ".

      About how!
      Are you going to shoot Indian rockets? wassat
      Onyx did not suit the author? request
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 17 May 2021 14: 13
        +10
        You have to understand that the author listed all the anti-ship missiles that he knew))) but in general I wanted to know more about the modernization of the Nakhimov, of course, without violating the secrecy regime.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 14: 57
          +9
          the author listed all the anti-ship missiles that he knew)))

          not all
          for place 20 torpedoes and RPK-6M PLUR Waterfall - 20 new PLUR Answer
          most likely, the wider modernization will be
          will supply 4 canvases of the Yenisei radar station from the S-500
          under PR 77N6 (space), 40N6 missiles from S-400 (400 km), 9M96E2 from S-350 (150 km)
          well, 80 anti-ship missiles are cool, like Nakhimov's
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 17 May 2021 15: 25
            +2
            Thanks, I read that too. I would like it to be more substantive, with drawings (not detailed) and approximate calculations (not secret). What you have listed is from the category of good intentions, I'm wondering how real it all is - "in hardware". I would like to hear the opinion of shipbuilders, armed men, electronics engineers.
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 15: 28
              +3
              I think that the article just says between the lines that it will be determined by 2023
              will run the BIUS on Nakhimov to interface with all air defense systems and missile systems
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 17 May 2021 20: 19
              +4
              Quote: TermNachTER
              I would like it to be more substantive, with drawings (not detailed) and approximate calculations (not secret).


              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 17 May 2021 21: 48
                +3
                Thank you. Informative and interesting. Now, God forbid, so quickly.
          2. Model101
            Model101 17 May 2021 20: 51
            +4
            was laid down at the Baltic Shipyard on August 25, 1986, launched on April 25, 1989

            In three years, in three. Will there be more of this ??
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 17 May 2021 21: 48
              +3
              Alas, the Soviet Union had a planned economy, not semi-savage capitalism.
            2. ramzay21
              ramzay21 18 May 2021 07: 43
              +2
              So here and Pike B they built faster than Salmon under the USSR, which, according to Putin, could only make galoshes.
          3. arkadiyssk
            arkadiyssk 18 May 2021 15: 12
            0
            It would be delusional nonsense - to put equipment different from Nakhimov. The risks are huge in terms of timing - so Nakhimov will be modernized in almost 10 years, and Peter will also be run in for a new 10? It can easily be exactly the same as with the original series - when each ship was different from the next and everything was not really brought to the end.
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      3. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 15: 07
        +1
        Onyx did not suit the author?

        I would have thought of something else, that they can also spoil the new CR X-50
        it is shorter than Calibers, 6 meters long, range 1500 km.
        I think it will find their goals
    2. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 13: 59
      +11
      A comrade served on Petra, for 3 years he did not bypass everything) great news, the main thing is not to move "to the right"

      Well, you can't even go around the whole sea minesweeper, I haven't been to the SPS secretary's cabin), although they were given 3 days to study the ship, after which they had an exam. And try to be mistaken when answering how to get from the first corridor there to the third cockpit, or from the trawl view room to the hydroacoustic compartment
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        1. Ruslan Sulima
          Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 14: 12
          +3
          Comrade conscript could not serve there for three years, the ship was not part of the fleet under the USSR, it was only built. It entered the Northern Fleet in 1998.

          Well, let's be fair, the term was not mentioned there. Maybe a cricket, maybe a failed midshipman, you never know such ShMiPs released)
      2. Machito
        Machito 17 May 2021 14: 19
        +5
        Peter will most likely be armed in the same way as Nakhimov. They would be paired with Kerch helicopter carriers with AWACS helicopters, and a warrant of frigates, corvettes, Ash. And we will have two KUGs for visiting the seas of sworn friends.
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 May 2021 16: 10
          +4
          Quote: Bearded
          They would be paired with Kerch helicopter carriers with AWACS helicopters,

          Orlan normally takes on board 3 helicopters. One of them may well be AWACS, if such helicopters were still available. Judging by open sources, there are only 2 of them in our fleet, and both are on Kuznetsov. We need new developments (RLK) and the production of such / similar AWACS helicopters in an amount of at least 30 pieces. for all fleets.
          And he (“Nakhimov”) will go together with “Kuzya”, and when “Peter” comes out of the modernization, he may already be paired with something on the way.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 17 May 2021 16: 57
            -3
            someone calculated the reaction of "neutral Brazil" and Indonesia with Colombia, to such KUG-AUGi? the truth is, there is also Argentina and India with China ... and it’s not strange with Vietnam ...
            not in welders and RLK (-S) business --- but in the relics of the veins of the diplomats of the Russian Federation, and the "collective Deripaska". These are the customers of the demonstration of the power of "my country" - while the yacht is in short supply.
            1. bayard
              bayard 17 May 2021 17: 11
              +3
              Quote: antivirus
              not in welders and RLK (-S) business --- but in the relics of the veins of the diplomats of the Russian Federation, and the "collective Deripaska".

              Deripaska promised to improve and even become a little bit good. Perhaps he will even pay taxes (not all, but for decency). And it is possible that these "citizens of the world" will start returning their capital to Russia ... Otherwise, democracy will confiscate it.
              But they want to negotiate preferential terms for themselves - like, we continue not to pay taxes, but we (partly) invest the profit in Russia.
              But the elections will soon be held and again everything will remain the same.
              But their business still needs protection.
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 17 May 2021 17: 21
                +3
                Deripaska's protection - in his detachment to the necessary people in the Russian Federation and the United States from the EU (owners of money)
      3. sanek45744
        sanek45744 17 May 2021 14: 46
        -2
        AHAKHA 3 days well, it already sewed. there is no need to tell such tales.
        1. Ruslan Sulima
          Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 17: 05
          +2
          AHAKHA 3 days well, it already sewed. there is no need to tell such tales.


          Full minus! Was not, do not la-la. This is how I was taught, I was taught this way. If in three days I could not study the ship, find out all the paths of movement, where is what room, the path to the berbaz, we in Novozernoye had just such a thing. You either fumble, or in burnouts at the gathering.

          I, damn it, even now remember how to go if necessary, I may not say the numbers of the vestibules, but, let's say, the 3D model of the ship is still in my head, and the egg of the hydroacoustics, and the "dickhead" of the BCH-2 radio operator,
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 17 May 2021 17: 54
            +3
            Ahah again funny. What makes you think that I was not there? I was there and it’s just funny to me from what you write.
            1. Ruslan Sulima
              Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 18: 11
              -2
              Ahah again funny. What makes you think that I was not there? I was there and it’s just funny to me from what you write.

              Did you go out in burnouts? Dust from Moscow? Or Meshcheryakov from Volgograd, skiing with a Crimean Tatar (I can't remember his last name) or trying to drown himself from the young?
              1. sanek45744
                sanek45744 17 May 2021 20: 25
                +3
                Yes, you're stuck in the edge. I served in the KSF on a steamer. What you write about 3 days is complete bullshit. Not an officer for 3 days will not do anything to you. Leave your stories to yourself. In 3 days you will not exactly understand where what you will not understand in 3 days still where you are. And ali stories about write-offs are generally game.
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                  1. sanek45744
                    sanek45744 17 May 2021 20: 56
                    +2
                    Okay, I see you have zero adequacy. Let's say goodbye. A month is given for everything to pass the test. During this time, you are just a passenger on the ship and no one puts you on watch. For 3 days, it’s stupid that no one will tell you everything you’re talking about.
                    1. Ruslan Sulima
                      Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 21: 40
                      -4
                      Okay, I see you have zero adequacy

                      Smiled)
                      A month is given for everything to pass the test. During this time, you are just a passenger on the ship and no one puts you on watch.

                      Are you a midshipman or a former? ... Sorry, but even a cap came to our cockpit as a last resort, it was easier for him to play a drill) ...
                      3 days ... 3 days to explore the entire ship
                      Although stop ...
                      I was from school, I was taught how to work with GUS ...
                      I have 3 days ...
                      1. sanek45744
                        sanek45744 17 May 2021 21: 58
                        +1
                        And what does the cap have to do with it? If you are talking about the vessel that you had in the photo, maybe 3 days were enough for you. I'm talking about big steamers. No, I served as a mattress. Ahah of the whole ship. No one will teach the whole ship. Your combat post and actions with the RBZ.
                      2. Ruslan Sulima
                        Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 22: 10
                        -3
                        Your combat post and actions with the RBZ.

                        You stupid, got into the conversation ...
                        Well, you can't even go around the whole sea minesweeper,

                        You can talk about anything ...
                        I have the honor! Petty officer of the second class of the reserve, commander of the hydroacoustics department of mine detection stations VUS 345
                      3. sanek45744
                        sanek45744 17 May 2021 22: 30
                        0
                        Ahahah, I'm telling you you're inadequate. You are comparing a vessel with a large steamer. Tell me what I said stupidly. everyone on the ship must know their combat post and actions in the RBZh and that's it. and if you were strained by the type of luxury oil, then this is purely your problem and it is not necessary to introduce people into confusion. as a little boy puts minuses to me, you still please go to my mother. Usually anchors like you are dull at first for a terrible and then when they become fierce for a year. all do not write more, I understood everything about you.
                      4. Ruslan Sulima
                        Ruslan Sulima 17 May 2021 23: 11
                        -2
                        Ahahah, I'm telling you you're inadequate. You are comparing a vessel with a large steamer. Tell me what I said stupidly. everyone on the ship must know their combat post and actions in the RBZh and that's it. and if you were strained by the type of luxury oil, then this is purely your problem and it is not necessary to introduce people into confusion. as a little boy puts minuses to me, you still please go to my mother. Usually anchors like you are dull at first for a terrible and then when they become fierce for a year. all do not write more, I understood everything about you.


                        Yes, I'm talking to you about your stupidity ... I was well taught, according to the combat book I was the commander of the first emergency batch, I had to extinguish it a couple of times. With oils in general, it's class, however, at times, when our little ones gave us the go-ahead, the pills are tough.
                        I remembered the arrival of such a little mustachioed, like on a visit after demobilization.
                        Yelling, let me go, I served here!
                        Well, here I was on the bottom. One and a half calls from the gangplank, I go out, watch me like this and so, can I bang this condom? This? Yes, you can I once touched his face on his karasevka. Bayonet-knife to me, I change you from the watch.
                      5. sanek45744
                        sanek45744 18 May 2021 00: 22
                        -1
                        how stubbornly stupid!
  • antivirus
    antivirus 17 May 2021 16: 52
    +1
    Our fleet has not yet grown in importance and scale of tasks to be carried out to TARKR or TAKR "Borodino" ... at the village of Borodino, the fate of the Poles and others in Europe was decided.
    and how hot will someone have AB "Kulikovo Pole"! .... with the dimensions of the deck as on the Kulikovo Pole ..... we are waiting ...
    in the meantime, boulevards and school grounds need to be swept more thoroughly to gain competencies
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 18 May 2021 08: 53
    0
    Taking into account almost 30 years of Nakhimov's downtime, where should you go to the right?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 May 2021 13: 47
    0
    Well, well, we will have two of the most powerful ships in the world! Murmansk and Severomorsk will sleep peacefully, unlike Norway and England.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 May 2021 16: 08
      -2
      Who minus slapped, guys from the Far East, for what you need to share?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 May 2021 13: 47
    -14%
    It is a pity that two cruisers of the same type will go to waste, the hulls are good, you can use them to create helicopter carriers or light aircraft carriers on their basis.
    1. LifeIsGood
      LifeIsGood 17 May 2021 13: 49
      +5
      O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project than to remodel hulls that are already 30 years old ...
      1. For example
        For example 17 May 2021 13: 55
        -15%
        Quote: LifeIsGood
        O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project ...

        So why didn't you build it? wink
        If everything is so simple and cheap, why don't dozens of new "Eagles" ply the vastness of the ocean?
        1. LifeIsGood
          LifeIsGood 17 May 2021 14: 06
          +3
          What are you talking about and why?
          This is from the topic "We are talking about airplanes, and you are here with the prices of bread" ...
        2. max702
          max702 17 May 2021 14: 10
          -1
          Quote: For example
          Quote: LifeIsGood
          O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project ...

          So why didn't you build it? wink
          If everything is so simple and cheap, why don't dozens of new "Eagles" ply the vastness of the ocean?

          What for? What's the point in this? What will happen to the country?
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 17 May 2021 14: 10
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      can be used to create helicopter carriers on their basis, or light aircraft carriers.

      what fantasy did you use?
      1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 17 May 2021 14: 24
        +1
        Duc, here, on the Military Review in the "Armament" section, the article "Requiem for the Soviet Navy .."

        ... 7. Construction of a new light training aircraft carrier (assault helicopter ship) or re-equipment of the Project 1144 missile cruiser for an aircraft carrier (for example, repair with modernization of the TARKR "Ushakov" or "Lazarev" as an aircraft carrier). The presence of the second "deck" will allow to supply Kuznetsov for proper repair (or to provide the Pacific Fleet's "ship deck").

        If I have not forgotten how to read, they directly spoke in the conversion of Eagles into light aircraft carriers ...
        1. Scharnhorst
          Scharnhorst 17 May 2021 14: 42
          +4
          Do not read Klimov's hysterical articles with abusive comments from Timokhin before lunch.) soldier
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 17 May 2021 15: 11
            +1
            Quote: Scharnhorst
            articles by Klimov with abusive comments from Timokhin.)

            you know, it seemed to me that this is one person !!!
          2. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 17 May 2021 15: 30
            -4
            Quote: Scharnhorst
            Do not read Klimov's hysterical articles with abusive comments from Timokhin before lunch.)

            when Klimov writes that he knows, it can be read, and when he is not for the sake of self-interest, but only by the will of Timokhin, who sent him, proposes to drive the aircraft carrier to Kaliningrad, showing a deep misunderstanding of the depths ... of ports and canals ... but ... with this Klimov objectively proved the uselessness of a bulky aircraft carrier, constrained by the draft and size, when the leaders of the totalitarian destructive sect of aircraft carriers have been looking for months for whatever purpose to attach it and cannot find that they are already trying to attach it to Kaliningrad
          3. Thrifty
            Thrifty 17 May 2021 15: 38
            0
            Gneisenau, oh Scharnhorst, do you forbid reading Klimov and Timokhin, or forgive the members of the forum not to read them? am
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 17 May 2021 18: 04
              0
              Quote: Thrifty
              Gneisenau, oh Scharnhorst, do you forbid reading Klimov and Timokhin, or forgive the members of the forum not to read them?

              about! yes, you are forbidden here too !!!! ..... if it seems to you that you are constantly forbidden to do something, then, perhaps, it’s in you, don’t you think?
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 17 May 2021 14: 43
          +1
          Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          there they directly spoke in the alteration of the Eagles into light aircraft carriers ..

          I can not find it, throw the link pliz.
          1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 17 May 2021 14: 46
            +1
            https://topwar.ru/182909-rekviem-sovetskomu-flotu-upuschennye-vozmozhnosti-tjazhelyh-atomnyh-krejserov-proekta-1144.html

            The article "Requiem for the Soviet Navy. Lost Opportunities for Project 1144 Heavy Nuclear Cruisers". Posted in the "Armament" section yesterday at 03:51.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 17 May 2021 15: 10
              -1
              Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
              The article in the "Armament" section was posted yesterday

              could not master ...
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 17 May 2021 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: NEOZ
        what fantasy did you use?
        Not fiction, the comrade remembered the realities of the Second World War. It's just that now this experience is irrelevant.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 17 May 2021 16: 30
          +1
          Quote: bk0010
          Not fiction, the comrade remembered the realities of the Second World War. It's just that now this experience is irrelevant.

          remind which fighting have the ships been converted to aircraft carriers?
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 17 May 2021 16: 31
            +1
            Cruisers, battleships.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 17 May 2021 16: 43
              +1
              Quote: bk0010
              Cruisers, battleships.

              what kind? specify the names. I will study this topic
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 17 May 2021 16: 49
                +1
                The battleship Hyuga, for example, the heavy cruiser Ibuki, the battlecruiser Saratoga, for example, is easily googled.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 17 May 2021 17: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: bk0010
                  The battleship "Hyuga"

                  Displacement standard 35-900 t
                  At the stern, a small 60 meter flight deck was built for launching a squadron of aircraft and a storage hangar.
                  The planes were supposed to be launched from the ship using a catapult, but land either on conventional aircraft carriers or at ground bases.
                  Quote: bk0010
                  battle cruiser Saratoga

                  The same type with Lexington (CV-2) - Saratoga is also built on the basis of unfinished building battle cruiser. the most successful version of the aircraft carrier from the alterations.
                  Displacement standard 36 t
                  ps
                  "Vikramaditya" - aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy
                  rebuilding from the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Gorshkov" through deep modernization.
                  Standard displacement 38 tons,
                  Aviation group 14-16 MiG-29K
                  PPP
                  Heavy nuclear missile cruiser of project 1144 "Orlan"
                  Displacement 23 tons (standard).
                  I suspect that the Peter the Great aircraft carrier will carry 4-6 MiG29K fighters and 2 helicopters ... the restructuring of this cruiser will result in several billion dollars ...
                  looks like even unscientific fiction !!!!!
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 17 May 2021 21: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    I suspect that the Peter the Great aircraft carrier will carry 4-6 MiG29K fighters and 2 helicopters ... the restructuring of this cruiser will result in several billion dollars ...
                    Yes, even 8-12, light aircraft carriers are not needed. A TAKR is needed.
          2. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 18 May 2021 07: 18
            0
            The Japanese converted an unfinished battleship of the Yamato-Shinano type into an aircraft carrier.
            True, as they say, the alteration was not entirely successful - due to the design features of the corps, the air group turned out to be very, very modest.
            However, it was passed - a fact hi
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 17 May 2021 15: 35
      0
      Has it become easier? fool fool fool The country does not have a fleet, ships are going on needles en masse, and for expressing their opinion, herds are inadequate, without explaining their antics, they stupidly minus! fool fool THE HOUSING CAN BE USED TO CREATE HELICOPTERS, OR LIGHT NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS - minus at least to the crap, I will not give up my opinion! !! am
      1. bayard
        bayard 17 May 2021 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        THE HULL CAN BE USED TO CREATE HELICOPTERS, OR LIGHT NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

        It could be . If only one had realized it 10 - 15 years ago. Such work can only be carried out in Severodvinsk, and there everything is occupied by "Nakhimov", after which "Pyotr" will go for modernization. The rest just can't wait. Therefore, they refused to pull such a colossus from the Pacific Fleet (there was an idea to puzzle Zvezda (in Bolshoy Kamen) with such (modernization) work, but the terms of putting the shipyard into operation are a lot delayed, and no one wants to occupy the dock for a long time - they have orders for supertankers and gas carriers for 10 - 15 years ahead.
        So there are hopes for the modernization of only two Orlans. But if the samples of weapons and CIUS work on them successfully, then in the future it is possible to lay heavy destroyers or cruisers with similar weapons in St. Petersburg. And the cost of their construction will not be greater than the modernization of Orlan ($ 1,5-2 billion).
        In the meantime, we would have to wait for the first frigate 22350 from the domestic power plant. And so that the next ones already go rhythmically. And so far you can only dream about monsters - there is not enough money or resources for everything at once.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 17 May 2021 16: 39
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        THE HULL CAN BE USED TO CREATE HELICOPTERS, OR LIGHT NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

        Do you have an education 26.03.02.01/XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Shipbuilding and technical operation of ships and ship equipment?
        on what basis do you make the assumption that hulls can be used? ... give examples of the successful use of warship hulls for the manufacture of aircraft carriers?
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 17 May 2021 17: 51
          0
          NEOZ-I do not understand, you FORBIDDEN to express my opinion? I do not want to be rude, but there are simply no normal words for your insolence! !!!!!!!!!
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 17 May 2021 17: 58
            +1
            Quote: Thrifty
            NEOZ-I didn't understand

            I will try to convey to make it clear ...
            Quote: Thrifty
            do you FORBID me to express your opinion?

            no one forbids you, where did you get the idea?
            Quote: Thrifty
            I do not want to be rude, but there are simply no normal words for your insolence! !!!!!!!!!

            to be interested in what your opinion is based on do you consider impudence?
            1. Thrifty
              Thrifty 17 May 2021 18: 31
              +1
              NEOZ - based on the words of a ship engineer, who in the 60s was in one design bureau, the leading designer for warships! They will allow him to voice his surname, someday, I'll write to you in a personal message! His opinion completely coincides with mine in terms of the crime of simply writing off and disposing of the hulls of warships, without the possibility of their application, restructuring, in a different form, a variant of a warship! This cruiser has been standing for a long time, wear is not critical, it can be rebuilt!
    4. bk0010
      bk0010 17 May 2021 16: 24
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      buildings are good
      No, ditched (rumored).
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 17 May 2021 13: 54
    +2
    Quote: LifeIsGood
    O_o ..... it's cheaper to develop and build a new project than to remodel hulls that are already 30 years old ...

    The building is designed for 50 years.
    1. bayard
      bayard 17 May 2021 16: 29
      +3
      Quote: Pavel57
      The building is designed for 50 years.

      This means that they have another 15 - 20 years of residual resource. Even if today they are driven into modernization and completed in a record 5 years ... how many will remain there?
      But apart from Severodvinsk, there is nowhere to modernize them. And there "Nakhimov" is not finished yet. And then "Peter" will come in. And in ten years ... the remaining hulls will not stay afloat.
      That is why only two ships are being upgraded.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 17 May 2021 14: 02
    -4
    the volume of work carried out will depend on the funds allocated for this
    what belay
    1. LifeIsGood
      LifeIsGood 17 May 2021 14: 08
      +1
      Can be assumedthat the modernization of the "Petr" will not differ much from the "Nakhimov", because the ships are of the same type and no one will spend extra funds on the development of a new modernization project. But the volume of work carried out will depend on the funds allocated for this.

      This is the spread of the author's thoughts on the table, do not pay attention ...
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 17 May 2021 14: 20
    0
    On the "Nakhimov" someone warmed up their hands quite well, if the repair of "Peter" does not differ, then oh!

    And so, it is better, instead of an extra ten "Calibers", in the ammunition load of the heels of good long-range patrol / target designation drones, and with fifty one-off, simpler and cheaper. Anything will be more useful both in life and in battle.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 17 May 2021 14: 59
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov
    ..... they directly spoke about rework ...

    Alteration - it’s always wrong.
    The girl comes to work and swears in the morning.
    Employees ask - what happened?
    - Imagine, yesterday I leave the office and
    I meet a classmate! So he grabbed on
    hands and almost on hands brought into the restaurant!
    Then the hotel, in general, did everything right!
    I came home, and my to ..... took redo
    and ruined everything.
  • demiurg
    demiurg 17 May 2021 16: 06
    +1
    The most beautiful BODs could carry the Packet, Fort and Carapace.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 17 May 2021 16: 21
    +2
    It can be assumed that the modernization of "Petr" will not differ much from "Nakhimov",
    I really hope so. To be updated and strengthened to the maximum.
  • Alien ...
    Alien ... 17 May 2021 18: 29
    -1
    Good news. There was a hope that nothing would be done with him. Will serve - and at rest ...
  • Lair
    Lair 18 May 2021 12: 04
    -1
    Many commentators who want Peter to undergo the same rearmament as Nakhimov forget the fact that the repair and modernization of Nakhimov cost the country and the navy enormous funds (100 billion rubles minimum) and went beyond a decent amount of time 3 years ago (Initially, the modernization of Nakhimov was planned to be completed in 2018, now they are talking about 2023). They also forget one more important fact now - Peter is currently limited in combat capability, he cannot go on a long campaign, he needs urgent repairs. Therefore, it is necessary to repair Peter right now, if we want to have a combat-ready ship. And to re-equip Peter, it will be enough to install UKSK 3S14 (for Caliber and Onyx) and install the Package, as well as repair existing weapons. Otherwise, the repair and modernization of Peter again will take 10 years and a hundred billion rubles.