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Knife attack in Yekaterinburg killed three people

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Three people died as a result of an attack by a man with a knife in Yekaterinburg, the attacker was detained. The incident took place in the afternoon on May 17.

According to reports, the attack took place in a park near the railway station. The reasons for the attack are currently unknown, it is reported that the man was intoxicated. The death toll also varies. According to one version, they were drinking companions of the attacker, according to the other - random passers-by who walked towards him.

The attacker was detained by police officers together with a military patrol from the EW Brigade of the Central Military District. At the same time, at the time of his arrest, he tried to attack law enforcement officers, to suppress this, fire was opened on him from a service weapons... As a result, the attacker received a gunshot wound. Initially, it was reported that the man was killed during the arrest, but the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Sverdlovsk Region denied this information.

Currently, police officers are working at the scene, the square where everything happened is cordoned off. The attacker himself was taken to a medical facility to provide medical assistance after being wounded. The Yekaterinburg Online portal is broadcasting live from the scene.

The Investigative Committee has not yet commented on the incident, only confirmed that the conflict occurred on the basis of drinking alcoholic beverages.
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  1. swnvaleria
    swnvaleria 17 May 2021 11: 47
    -14%
    obviously the vodka is not fresh
    1. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 17 May 2021 12: 21
      +7
      Yes, there was a get-together. The scientific dispute, as always, smoothly turned into a battle on homemade swords, and the guards who approached took the winner. Classic.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 17 May 2021 14: 39
        +3
        D, Artagnan has laid down the glorious trinity. Dumas was wrong ..
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 May 2021 16: 34
        +4
        Quote: Yuri V.A
        The scientific dispute, as always, smoothly turned into a battle on homemade swords, and the guards who approached took the winner. Classic.

        ... one passage from the blessed Augustine about which we did not agree
        ©
  2. Roman070280
    Roman070280 17 May 2021 11: 47
    +42
    We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 17 May 2021 11: 51
      +1
      It turns out like this.
      1. For example
        For example 17 May 2021 12: 38
        +13
        Quote: Roman070280
        We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

        It is necessary to toughen the turnover of people. wink
        Some troubles from them. : laughing

        We started from a distance ...

        Everyone should have their hands in handcuffs.
        Free only at work, with an urgent need to use these same hands.

        They all have gags in their mouths. Remove only with the earplugs of the interlocutors stuck in.
    2. Wilderness
      Wilderness 17 May 2021 11: 57
      +36
      I would have banned public gardens and train stations, there is only debauchery and stabbing.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 01
        +27
        Quote: Wilderness
        I would have banned public gardens and train stations, there is only debauchery and stabbing.

        And kitchens for one thing .... everyday life is thriving in kitchens .. Again, knives are mostly stored there ..
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 17 May 2021 12: 05
          +15
          No more than one knife per family.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 08
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            No more than one knife per family.

            You can introduce a bureaucratic position - it will issue it on application ... I don't know how it is now, otherwise there was something similar about the firearm in the ideas from above - it is stored in the cop, but you have to write why where and how much ..
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 17 May 2021 12: 10
              +10
              When the Japanese captured Okinawa, one knife was left in the village. He was chained in the main square. When a peyzanin had to cut something off (chop a sausage), he came there.
              Cheap and cheerful. Note to the deputies.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 11
                +2
                Quote: Pereira
                When the Japanese captured Okinawa, one knife was left in the village. He was chained in the main square. When a peyzanin had to cut something off (chop a sausage), he came there.

                Well, there is historical practice - you can refer ..
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 17 May 2021 12: 13
                  +15
                  And you can also chain a gun. If you want to hunt a bear, bring it, take a gun and hunt.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 16
                    +9
                    Quote: Pereira
                    And you can also chain a gun. If you want to hunt a bear, bring it, take a gun and hunt.

                    But this is a thought .. fresh, original on the cutting edge ..
              2. jovanni
                jovanni 17 May 2021 12: 44
                +7
                Quote: Pereira
                When the Japanese captured Okinawa, one knife was left in the village. He was chained in the main square. When a peyzanin had to cut something off (chop a sausage), he came there.
                Cheap and cheerful. Note to the deputies.

                No, it won't work with us. The same deputies will trample the sausage without a queue. In addition, with their salaries they have this sausage - heaps !!! The poor peasant will die of hunger while he is standing in line to share a piece of brawn with the household ...
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 17 May 2021 14: 12
                  0
                  The peasant will wriggle out. The brawn can be cut with a dough cutter.
                  1. eckons
                    eckons 18 May 2021 12: 19
                    +2
                    You know how many drinking buddies you can kill with such a mold.
              3. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 17 May 2021 19: 43
                0
                Quote: Pereira
                When the Japanese captured Okinawa, one knife was left in the village. He was chained in the main square. When a peyzanin had to cut something off (chop a sausage), he came there.
                Cheap and cheerful. Note to the deputies.
                Knives were banned ...
                And sickles ... for agricultural work - The people of Japan got the hang of the sickle Kama "bad deeds" to do ...
                kama sickle japan
                am
        2. prior
          prior 17 May 2021 12: 36
          +1
          Don't forget about forks, about forks! This is also a stabbing weapon.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 38
            +6
            Quote: prior
            Don't forget about forks, about forks! This is also a stabbing weapon.

            A person can be killed with anything suitable and even sometimes about anything ...
          2. Brturin
            Brturin 17 May 2021 12: 43
            +2
            Quote: prior
            don't forget about the forks!

            Then put a limit on "Ilya Muromets and Nightingale .." for children under 16, there is a prince with a fork .....
          3. dauria
            dauria 17 May 2021 20: 58
            +2
            Don't forget about forks, about forks! T


            BUT...! So that's why they didn't give forks in the army ... recourse
      2. 210ox
        210ox 17 May 2021 14: 43
        +9
        And ban the weekend. From them all the evil on Monday.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 18 May 2021 12: 14
        0
        You can also ban the policemen who walk past these drunks and do not care.
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 17 May 2021 11: 58
      +7
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      Well, this idea is not new! In the past, for example, hospitable hosts, organizers of dinner parties, dinners in decent society were obliged to have silver cutlery! They say that a silver knife (and even with a rounded tip) will not be able to encroach on an important guest due to hooligan motives in a drunken state! yes
      1. Evil troll
        Evil troll 17 May 2021 12: 04
        +7
        Chopped on forks, two blows - eight holes!
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 17 May 2021 12: 14
        +10
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        They say that a silver knife (and even with a rounded tip) will not be able to encroach on an important guest because of hooligan motives in a drunken state!

        Therefore, Nikolaich, important guests scrambled from the guests, pitted with forks, taking with them serving trophies sticking out in the back laughing
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 17 May 2021 12: 37
          +2
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          important guests scrambled out of the guests, pitted with forks, taking with them serving trophies sticking out in the back

          "All sorts of things go around here, then the forks disappear ..." by the way, a quote from Maria-Sophia-Frideric-Dagmar (Romanov)
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 May 2021 12: 06
      +17
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      ... screwdrivers, hammers, axes, cast iron pans ... laughing
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 17 May 2021 12: 15
        +6
        Beaks with which the brains of the peasants peck.
      2. prior
        prior 17 May 2021 12: 38
        +6
        Especially the pans! In the hands of the weaker sex, this is just a killer weapon that has no analogues. what
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 17 May 2021 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Roman070280
        We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

        ... cast iron pans ... laughing
        Late we realized ...
        Try to find a real one in the store. cast iron skillet - for a long time only made of thin Teflon-coated iron ... or luminous.
        Real cast iron only in old stocks from grandmothers or thrifty elderly mother-in-law.
        sad
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 17 May 2021 20: 44
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Late we realized ...
          Try to find a real cast iron skillet in the store - for a long time only made of thin Teflon-coated iron ... or luminium.
          Real cast iron is only in old stocks from grandmothers or a thrifty elderly mother-in-law.

          By ordering on the Internet, they will even send you a titanium one, if there would be money.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 18 May 2021 08: 17
          0
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Try to find a real cast-iron skillet in the store - for a long time only made of thin Teflon-coated iron ... or luminium. Real cast iron is only in old stocks from grandmothers or a thrifty elderly mother-in-law.

          Cast iron can be found on sale. But as for the REAL cast iron, then you are right. The cast iron that I came across was some kind of coarse-grained and in appearance very different from the cast iron from which two pans are made, which I inherited from my mother, and to her from my grandmother. Nothing burns on them, and they are eternal, unlike Teflon ones, which need to be changed every 2 years.
    5. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 15
      +5
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.
      Only plastic, and after 5 years ... of owning a smooth barrel! laughing Otherwise, all the Motherland is in danger now ..., three and to the next world on Monday in the park, one alcoholic ...
      1. out of habit
        out of habit 17 May 2021 19: 24
        +2
        "Only plastic, and after 5 years ... having a smooth barrel"

        After 5 years of owning a blunt knife.
    6. figwam
      figwam 17 May 2021 12: 21
      +10
      Quote: Roman070280
      It is necessary to tighten the turn of knives

      A person kills, so it is logical to toughen the turnover of people.
    7. vadimtt
      vadimtt 17 May 2021 12: 24
      +3
      With some knives? It is logical to start toughening up with vodka and moonshine wassat
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 17 May 2021 12: 28
        +6
        It was already, the people began to poison themselves with a fake substitute.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 17 May 2021 13: 19
          +1
          On the other hand, the percentage of abnormalities among children born in 1986-1988 has sharply decreased. Normal people did not drink a surrogate.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 17 May 2021 20: 47
            0
            Quote: Sergej1972
            On the other hand, the percentage of abnormalities among children born in 1986-1988 has sharply decreased. Normal people did not drink a surrogate.

            Nicholas II also introduced a dry law - the Russian Empire collapsed. Gorbachev introduced dry law - the Soviet empire collapsed. So you need to be careful.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 17 May 2021 12: 50
        +7
        Quote: vadimtt
        It is logical to start toughening up with vodka and moonshine

        Are you encroaching on holy things? laughing
    8. paul3390
      paul3390 17 May 2021 12: 28
      +11
      Curiously, when Yevsyukov shot a bunch of people, for some reason the guarantor did not immediately respond with proposals to immediately tighten the issuance of weapons to the police, such as to issue only after 25, only Makarov with three cartridges, only after daily help from a psychologist and other nonsense ...
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 12
        0
        Quote: paul3390
        only Makarov with three rounds

        No, you only need one to shoot yourself.))
    9. Pavel73
      Pavel73 17 May 2021 12: 31
      +3
      A bit wrong. You just have to imagine they have a shotgun in their hands ... A booze with a 12-gauge multi-charge shotgun. To imagine its possible completion, special imagination is not required.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 May 2021 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: Pavel73
        A booze with a 12-gauge multi-shot shotgun.

        This is called hunting.
    10. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint 17 May 2021 12: 31
      +7
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      And alcohol. And to toughen people turnover too. And then they are born, they die. They completely got out of the hands.

      Blue is evil!
      1. gsev
        gsev 18 May 2021 01: 58
        +1
        Quote: Flashpoint
        And alcohol.

        The 1917 revolution and perestroika happened after the fight against the green serpent. So no one (the government) will restrict alcohol.
        1. Flashpoint
          Flashpoint 18 May 2021 04: 01
          +1
          Quote: gsev
          Quote: Flashpoint
          And alcohol.

          The 1917 revolution and perestroika happened after the fight against the green serpent. So no one (the government) will restrict alcohol.

          In the USSR, too, the green snake was attempted. The vineyards were chopped. The volumes of the bottles were shuffled.
          They only made it worse. So - no conclusions have been drawn since 1917.
          And now - times are somewhat different, the era of the global Internet and the media. The alcohol is not that strong, but
          and you shouldn't write it off.
    11. CYM
      CYM 17 May 2021 12: 37
      +9
      And forks ... And if we seriously need to urgently restore the state system of prevention and compulsory treatment of drug addiction, alcoholism and mental disorders. Of course, their causes must be eliminated, but in the conditions of wild capitalism, the propaganda of egocentrism and consumerism, this is unrealistic.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 15
        0
        Quote: CYM
        And if seriously, we urgently need to restore the state system of prevention and compulsory treatment of drug addiction, alcoholism and mental disorders. Of course, their causes must be eliminated, but in the conditions of wild capitalism, the propaganda of egocentrism and consumerism, this is unrealistic.

        What kind of money do you need ?! But what about Courchevel and the like? It's easier to ban knives.))
    12. jovanni
      jovanni 17 May 2021 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      That's right! And also the turnover of dump trucks - he alone can transfer a bunch of people ...
    13. barclay
      barclay 17 May 2021 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      And also forks and skewers with nails.
      Spring is such a time. The psychos have another seasonal exacerbation. And nothing can be done about it. With the spring warming, especially as it gets dark, drunken screams and howling are heard from every gateway. People in degrees begin to go crazy in the fresh air.
      It's trite, but booze is a prerequisite for an emergency. This requires increased police work.
      Yes, at every corner, in every gateway and square, there should be intensified patrolling for the purpose of prophylaxis, prevention, etc. As for the holidays, strengthening is done. There is no other way. You can't dress every hidden psychopath in a straitjacket in advance.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 17
        -5
        Quote: barclay
        And also forks and skewers with nails.

        And also hammers, axes, pry bars, wrenches, adjustable wrenches, gas wrenches, clamps ..., etc. etc.))
    14. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      And introduce a mandatory interview with Rosgvardia employees when buying them ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 03
        +5
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And introduce a mandatory interview with Rosgvardia employees when buying them ...

        Hopefully paid?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 13: 08
          +10
          Quote: mat-vey
          Hopefully paid?

          Sure! Passed the interview - pay 500 rubles and get a sticker "RR" ("Approved by the Russian Guard"), which must be stuck on the knife. A kitchen knife without a sticker - a fine of 5 rubles. Rosgvardia is allowed to enter the apartment for the purpose of checking the stickers without a warrant. Was the sticker washed off under the tap? Fill out the form on public services, restoration - 000 rubles. in 250 days. Until you receive a new sticker - hand over the Rosgvardia kitchen knife for storage, the cost of storage is 10 rubles / day. Delivery for storage in a period exceeding a day from the moment of loss of the sticker - a fine of 50 rubles.
          Etc. etc....
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 10
            +11
            Eeeee hmm .. you are not by any chance working in state structures? winked Painfully professionally laid out wink
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 13: 12
              +4
              Quote: mat-vey
              Eeeee hmm .. you are not by any chance working in state structures?

              I am on the other side of the barricades, a findirector at production :))))) I know by heart the "hunches" of our powers that be :)
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 15
                +3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                I am on the other side of the barricades, a findirector at production :)))))

                AAA well then, I understand ... sorry for the bad suspicions negative
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 13: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  .I apologize for the bad suspicions

                  Yes, no problem :))))) For ours, just let us ban something - such a feeder will not be allowed
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Yes, no problem :))))) For ours, just let us ban something - such a feeder will not be allowed

                    And you suggest ... negative
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 14: 10
                      +4
                      Believe me, there are more than enough "literates" without my prompts ...
                      They will organize a new department for this business, and will introduce general positions ...
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 17 May 2021 14: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        They will organize a new department for this business, and will introduce general positions ...

                        Are you again? ...
                  2. out of habit
                    out of habit 17 May 2021 19: 35
                    +2
                    Cops fight crime ...
                    Why is the findirector on the other side of the barricades? laughing
            2. NDR-791
              NDR-791 17 May 2021 13: 16
              +3
              Quote: mat-vey
              Painfully professionally laid out

              It seems that everything has been thought out for a long time. Just as written. I feel the bill will go into the Duma tomorrow, the day after tomorrow it will be approved in three readings at once.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2021 13: 20
                +6
                Quote: NDR-791
                the day after tomorrow will be approved in three readings at once.

                Moreover, the day before yesterday ...
              2. mat-vey
                mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 24
                -1
                Quote: NDR-791
                It seems that everything has been thought out for a long time. Just as written. I feel the bill will go into the Duma tomorrow, the day after tomorrow it will be approved in three readings at once.

                If for the good of the electorate, then why not?
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 19
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        And introduce a mandatory interview with Rosgvardia employees when purchasing them.

        And then employees, what if ...))
    15. krops777
      krops777 17 May 2021 13: 17
      +1
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.


      I wonder what Zolotov will say to this.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 21
        0
        Quote: krops777
        I wonder what Zolotov will say to this.

        Why is that interesting? What is ordered, he will say ...
      2. Grif
        Grif 18 May 2021 17: 03
        0
        And more bricks.
    16. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 17 May 2021 13: 17
      +4
      You can kill with your bare hands. It is also necessary to tighten the turnover of bare hands.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 May 2021 13: 32
        +7
        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
        You can kill with your bare hands. It is also necessary to tighten the turnover of bare hands.

        Duc and it was already One has only to remember how karate was forbidden in the 80s! angry stop
    17. Catfish
      Catfish 17 May 2021 13: 34
      +2
      Especially kitchen ones !!!
      From the age of eighteen, a certificate from a psychiatrist, and only one knife in one hand!
      To entrust the supervision of execution to the valiant "Rosguards" (you see, her boss will buy another mansion for himself) laughing
    18. nonsense
      nonsense 17 May 2021 13: 35
      +5
      how it is in the army ... I remember in the army, on the parade ground, a weekly list of accidents in the corps was read out to us. And orders to prevent. For example, one soldier fell from the roof of a barracks about four floors. Order: close and seal the roof passages in all parts! Or a warrant officer and a contract soldier went to the fuel and lubricants warehouse to find out how much fuel was left in a certain tank and whether there was any at all. The ensign in a simple way opened the lid, and looked with his head inside the tank - he inhaled steam of solarium there, lost consciousness and fell inside. The soldier wanted to find out how the "mikhalych" was there, alive and also bent over the cistern to look and also lost consciousness and fell inside! - The order, the top of the army bureaucracy and the ability to cover your back with a piece of paper - go to the fuel and lubricants warehouses at least three times! wassat
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 17 May 2021 16: 42
        0
        Quote: nespich
        how it is in the army ... I remember in the army, on the parade ground, a weekly list of accidents in the corps was read out to us. And orders to prevent.

        And we were told at the military department that there were no worse days than after reading out such lists. For the personnel immediately tried to repeat the part of the sounded: "And so it was possible ?!"
    19. Glad
      Glad 17 May 2021 14: 53
      +2
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      Not to toughen up, but to prohibit. And at the same time, prohibit the use of forks, corkscrews, kitchen hatchets, peelers, can openers and toothpicks (they are also sharp). Skates (including roller skates) are also prohibited. So are ski poles.
      Spoons, pushers, rolling pins, etc. should be produced only of the established sample and exclusively from plastic. Obligate to register, license and allow their use by citizens from the age of 25.
      Before starting to use, conduct theoretical lessons and trainings. Type: "A dining spoon, civilian, consists of a hold and a scoop. It is used by holding in the right hand with a simultaneous rotational movement towards oneself with the subsequent redirection of the food composition on the spoon into the mouth opening. Before using it, it is recommended to exercise on a model of food made of plasticine or papier mache".
      1. Azis
        Azis 17 May 2021 20: 26
        0
        You forgot about ice axes !!!
    20. Alf
      Alf 17 May 2021 20: 20
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      We need to toughen up the turnover of knives.

      Not "toughen up", but "forbid". Allow the possession of knives only by the military and the National Guard. And for home use, to produce special knives without cutting edges. Urgently issue a contract for the development of these Rusnano knives in the amount of 100500 billion wooden ones. laughing
    21. Esaul
      Esaul 18 May 2021 09: 47
      0
      And vodka by itself
  3. Ka-52
    Ka-52 17 May 2021 11: 50
    +5
    The attacker himself was taken to a medical facility to provide medical assistance after being wounded.

    and then he will be safely cured. The trial will turn out to be humane, a couple of years of investigation will be counted as a term and having received a "top ten" a good fellow on parole will be released in 5 years. The killer is armed and resists - the shooting should be done to kill, and not render harmless the criminal
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 May 2021 11: 59
      +3
      Quote: Ka-52
      The killer is armed and resists - the shooting must be carried out to kill, and not to neutralize the criminal

      And then another Evsyukov will spread a knife to everyone and say, "They attacked me, I will defend myself ..."
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 May 2021 13: 18
      +1
      Quote: Ka-52
      The trial will turn out to be humane, a couple of years of investigation will be counted as a term and having received a "top ten" a good fellow on parole will be released in 5 years.

      Something you weighed a lot to him. I know of one such person - he walks around and shows off. He stabbed four of them, gave them four years. what
  4. ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 17 May 2021 11: 50
    +10
    Blueprint is evil.
  5. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 17 May 2021 11: 52
    +4
    A knife is such a thing that you can make it out of anything. Toughen up, do not toughen up, but you can kill with a knife even with a very blunt one. Yes, a screwdriver or a pen too.
    This is the question of the inefficiency of the work of the precinct on the ground. We got used to receiving a salary for 20 years and writing certificates on rounds in the office!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 17
      +4
      A knife is such a thing that you can make it out of anything. Toughen up, do not toughen up, but you can kill with a knife even with a very blunt one. Yes, a screwdriver or a pen too.
      This is the question of the inefficiency of the work of the precinct on the ground. We got used to receiving a salary for 20 years and writing certificates on rounds in the office!
      and forks to ban ???, "one blow, four holes", or a torn artery, to the heap! wink
      1. Flashpoint
        Flashpoint 17 May 2021 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: Intruder
        A knife is such a thing that you can make it out of anything. Toughen up, do not toughen up, but you can kill with a knife even with a very blunt one. Yes, a screwdriver or a pen too.
        This is the question of the inefficiency of the work of the precinct on the ground. We got used to receiving a salary for 20 years and writing certificates on rounds in the office!
        and forks to ban ???, "one blow, four holes", or a torn artery, to the heap! wink

        Don't be afraid of the plug,
        Beware of the spoon!
        One hit -
        Stretch your legs!

        And ban the plates. You can break and arrange a massacre with fragments.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 48
          +2
          Don't be afraid of the plug,
          Beware of the spoon!
          One hit -
          Stretch your legs!

          And ban the plates. You can break and arrange a massacre with fragments.
          stools made of birch or metal alloy, up to a pile of cast-iron frying pan - banned by a separate act of the UN Security Council, as non-conventional types ... good
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 17 May 2021 13: 38
        +3
        Prohibit everything! And everyone !!!
        Forward, towards the dawn! Hurray !!! Long live!

        (And they say that the famous fur-bearing animal on soft paws has already set off on a journey).

        Hi Denis. smile drinks
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 May 2021 14: 10
          +1
          Hi Denis. smile drinks
          Mutually and hello Konstantin! good
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 May 2021 13: 53
        +2
        Quote: Intruder
        and prohibit forks ???

        Why are there forks? If the wife misses the forks, then a family scandal can not be avoided! Do you need it? In the 90s, I often had to work on the outskirts and stay up late ... dragged a bag with a tool ... on top there was always a "decent" in weight and size hammer and a "good" in length and sharpening screwdriver! Rescued! And no pretense ... instrument (!) And my personal! And you can also get hold of "jawars" (aka kubatan ...) ... Buy bolts, for example, 100x16 mm ... nuts suitable for them ... here are the "jawars" and are ready! Just don’t tell cops about yavara ... talk about hardware (it is!) To the dacha, for a car ... wink
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 May 2021 14: 14
          +5
          Rescued! And no pretense ... instrument (!) And my personal! And you can also get hold of "jawars" (aka kubatan ...) ... Buy bolts, for example, 100x16 mm ... nuts suitable for them ... here are the "javars" and are ready! Just don't tell the cops about yavara ... talk about hardware (it really is!) To the country, for the car ...
          And I took the chain, from the VAZ 2101 timing belt, at night and in a dark area I saved my life and health more than once, and even against a knife ..., and the police have no reason, I carry it from the garage after repairing the car engine ... and truncated! laughing
          1. out of habit
            out of habit 17 May 2021 19: 43
            +1
            "saved life and health more than once,"
            Did you spend your youth in Harlem?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 17 May 2021 20: 47
              +1
              "saved life and health more than once,"
              Did you spend your youth in Harlem?
              in a small Siberian town in the south of Siberia, in the 90s, there were simply ethnic problems with the locals in disadvantaged areas of this city, I had to go from training in the evenings, and other street criminals, there lived freely, mostly drag dealers ...
              PS It still exists, that chain is like a memory of dashing youth and youth in those areas ...
    2. nonsense
      nonsense 17 May 2021 13: 37
      0
      comrade, what other precinct is there station square! Nobody lives there - what's the local police officer? how should he work there?
    3. Obliterator
      Obliterator 17 May 2021 20: 59
      -1
      Quote: mojohed2012
      This is the question of the inefficiency of the work of the precinct on the ground. We got used to receiving a salary for 20 years and writing certificates on rounds in the office!

      And what is the jamb of the district police officer here?
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 18 May 2021 09: 31
        0
        Because nothing has changed in the police-police, only the first 2 letters. As before, they drew "separate assignments" of investigators and interrogators in their offices, when it was necessary to make a round of door-to-door rounds with their feet - they put a certificate into the case that they were bypassed, but this did not give any results. Or an undercover plan of work with a certificate of control of the area's undercover network for detecting crimes - they also sit in the office for years and draw that everything is underway. And the inspectors out of their own safety - for show, they write, they say, all the documents are available, and then at the table - to help themselves! Nothing has changed since the early 2000s. Only their salary has grown. Not all, but many work this way.
        In reality, only those who are "motivated" by connections, top officials or financially are digging.
        All have long resigned themselves to the fact that the police are taking care of themselves, and this is how they react to high-profile cases and no more ...
        And if there are no rounds at least once a week, there is no real work to collect explanations and testimonies on the ground, to check the place of residence of those who have been imprisoned, and so on - this is where everything comes from.
  6. Smoked
    Smoked 17 May 2021 11: 52
    +3
    It is high time to put everyone on the register in the durk and check monthly if the cuckoo has flown. There is no other way to achieve security, yes.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 17 May 2021 11: 59
      +3
      It's high time to put everyone on the register
      Here the number of idiots per square meter exceeds all permissible norms at times, the whole country will then become a big fool.
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 17 May 2021 12: 06
        +3
        Most likely so. For how safe that will become! Indeed, when registered in a durka, neither the right to a car will be given either to a weapon or to a normal job.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 17 May 2021 14: 23
        +3
        And we are all held for fools anyway, haven't they noticed? It remains only to formalize it with a certificate. laughing wassat
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Smoked
      It is high time to put everyone on the register in the durk and check monthly if the cuckoo has flown. There is no other way to achieve security, yes.

      Durki together with other hospitals have been successfully optimized.
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          1. Smoked
            Smoked 17 May 2021 12: 13
            0
            Duc medical examination will not be carried out by the National Guard, but by a medical worker.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 15
              +2
              Quote: Smoked
              Duc medical examination will not be carried out by the National Guard, but by a medical worker.

              Oh yes, why spend there .. in Ross, the guards are recruiting trusted people - you can entrust them .. and pay the superiors the savings on doctors.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 19
      +3
      It is high time to put everyone on the register in the durk and check monthly if the cuckoo has flown. There is no other way to achieve security, yes.
      every housewife in Russia, to register in the Durkee !? negative She has such access to knives, various and without consideration, with the acquisition and storage ... that every terrorist will envy! laughing
    4. Doccor18
      Doccor18 17 May 2021 12: 23
      +3
      Quote: Smoked
      It's high time to put everyone on the register and check every month if the cuckoo has flown off.
      Exactly!
      Only here is one problem ... where to get 300 thousand psychiatrists ..?
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 17 May 2021 13: 17
        0
        In the National Guard. Define their ailment into a feat!
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 17 May 2021 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Doccor18
        where to get 300 thousand psychiatrists ..?

        Yes, you can buy a psychologist's diploma in every transition. A psychiatrist is a little more expensive, but in the same place.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 17 May 2021 14: 48
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          Quote: Doccor18
          where to get 300 thousand psychiatrists ..?

          Yes, you can buy a psychologist's diploma in every transition. A psychiatrist is a little more expensive, but in the same place.

          It can and can be bought, but working with such a "masterpiece" will not work for a long time. With the existing system of continuous education and advanced training, a fake will be revealed very quickly ...
  7. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 17 May 2021 11: 53
    +1
    Think about it! It is necessary to introduce a short-barreled as in the USA, so that they can defend themselves or not!
    Or they will crush the owners of weapons, disarming the population.
    Tighten the nuts, but not there.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 May 2021 12: 04
      0
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Think about it! It is necessary to introduce a short-barreled as in the USA, so that they can defend themselves or not!
      Or they will crush the owners of weapons, disarming the population.
      Tighten the nuts, but not there.

      Just then a guy was walking down the street with a gun ...
      Against the background of the fact that none of the oncoming- no one!!!! did not call the police - they hope that if they had a cop - they will detain him - it is pointless ...
      They will be just as purple as they are now - OUT depending on whether they have a COP ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 14
        +3
        Quote: your1970
        They will be just as purple as now - regardless of whether they have a KSa ...

        So there is a classic - "If you are killed, we will leave"
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 21
        +4
        Against the background of the fact that none of the oncoming-none !!!! did not call the police - they hope that if they had a cop
        Well .., not everyone was born a hero to immediately rush with his bare hands on a chela with a pomp of 12 gauge walking down the street, so surprisingly !? winked
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 May 2021 12: 58
          +2
          Quote: Intruder
          Against the background of the fact that none of the oncoming-none !!!! did not call the police - they hope that if they had a cop
          Well .., not everyone was born a hero to immediately rush with his bare hands on a chela with a pomp of 12 gauge walking down the street, so surprisingly !? winked

          And having a pistol, they will go straight into a shootout with him? Yes Yes.....

          Quote: mat-vey
          So there is a classic - "If you are killed, we will leave"

          Dial 02 5 minutes after we parted with him. Just dial ... God bless him with the reaction of the police - the worst thing is that none of the passers-by reacted in any way ... "Well, a man is going to kill someone, just think ... Let the police have a headache - for this they get paid" - this is the worst ... Mass indifference ...


          There was a TV program - spring, mud, between two puddles lies a cleanly dressed man, not a bum / drunk, aged, with a briefcase .. Like a heart attack .. Lies silently ...
          About 90 (!!!!) people have passed, the place seems to be brisk ...
          The bulk- stepped over (!!!!!) through it (so as not to wet your feet), 40 percent - walked around in a puddle ...

          She helped to get up and brought to the bench - 1 (one !!!!!!!!!) schoolgirl.

          In the Ambulance, not one, not one of the passers-by called at all ...

          And you naively hope that these people, having KS, will try to detain an armed criminal? Oha, schaz ... They're through living a person stepped over ...
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 17 May 2021 12: 13
      +5
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Think about it! It is necessary to introduce a short-barreled as in the USA, so that they can defend themselves or not!

      I knew one character, worked together at the same time. He once got a PM injury, officially. Dragged him in a shoulder holster for two months. Then I see: no holster. I ask what is it? Answers: tired, heavy and gets in the way. The person mostly moved by car.
      So I think, how many of those hungry for a short-barrel will carry it with them on an ongoing basis for years? But you also need to travel regularly to practice shooting.
      It seems to me that even if pistols are allowed, they will mostly lie at home. Accordingly, for self-defense against aggressors with knives in the fresh air are completely useless.
      1. CYM
        CYM 17 May 2021 12: 52
        +1
        The situation is similar in Moldova, where the Constitutional Court has been allowed since 1998. http://www.gunza.ru/faq/weamoldova.html
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 May 2021 14: 06
        0
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        even if pistols are allowed, they will mostly lie at home.

        Well ... burglars can get it ... But even without burglars (!) ... how often do attacks happen? 1. A person passes by a tree ... jump out from behind a tree and beat a pipe (hammer) on the head from behind ...; 2. A person enters the entrance ... they beat him on the head from behind (with a pipe, a hammer ... underline the necessary! Not in the list, add!) ... Pistols will be added to the trophies, acromy of wallets, wallets ...
        1. gsev
          gsev 18 May 2021 02: 17
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          .Pistols will be added to the trophies, acre of wallets, wallets ...

          The registered weapon has been shot and its characteristics are entered in the card index. The Moldovan experience shows that crime drops sharply when perpetrators realize that the victim can be armed and can kill the perpetrator. In addition, for example, in recent years, there have been no terrorist attacks in the PRC. In Russia, about 100 people die from terrorist attacks a year. Apparently it is not possible to reduce the level of violent mortality to less than 5 people per year in Russia. Several orders of magnitude more die from alcohol, drugs, incurable sexually transmitted diseases. It is economically more profitable for the state to allow the death of hundreds of people from psychos and terrorists per year than to maintain a half-million army of armed guards in schools and kindergartens.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 18 May 2021 02: 46
            0
            Quote: gsev
            there have been no terrorist attacks in the PRC in recent years

            Is firearms (pistols) freely available in the PRC?
            For example, in China, where the rate of premeditated homicide is consistently kept at a very low level, only 0,53 people per 100 inhabitants, this figure is largely ensured by extremely tough anti-weapon legislation and harsh law enforcement practice. In the PRC, it is illegal for any civilian to manufacture, own, transport and trade weapons. The death penalty is highly likely to be expected for anyone who seriously violates the law, and long prison sentences are common practice for minor offenses.
            The experience of China and other countries (for example, Germany) shows that reducing crime primarily depends not on the presence or absence of firearms in the public domain, but on the effectiveness of various government agencies (primarily law enforcement agencies) and on the effectiveness of their work! It is also necessary to pay attention to such "aspects" inside Russia! And more ... the number of murders per 100.000 population in the "super.armed" USA in 2018. amounted to 4,96 ... In Russia, in 2019. this number is 4,9!
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 18 May 2021 08: 51
          +1
          Well ... burglars can get it ... But even without burglars (!) ... how often do attacks happen? 1. A person passes by a tree ... jump out from behind a tree and beat a pipe (hammer) on the head from behind ...; 2. A person enters the staircase ... they beat him on the head from behind (with a pipe, a hammer ... underline the necessary! Not in the list, add!).
          In order to reduce these facts of the seizure of personal civilian weapons, you need to train and twirl your head in a park or in a dark entrance, especially at night! yes
  8. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 17 May 2021 11: 57
    -1
    We must ban knives, and put a couple of Russian guardsmen with machine guns in each park!
    1. hhurik
      hhurik 17 May 2021 12: 08
      +4
      EW units still need to be banned, they irradiate individuals with a weak mind during exercises, do not go to a fortune-teller. Then patrols walk the streets, looking for zombies in squares.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 22
      +3
      We must ban knives, and put a couple of Russian guardsmen with machine guns in each park!
      Intrascope, dog handlers and everywhere Bruno's spirals around the perimeter and a couple of drones with thermal imagers in the sky ??? laughing
      1. Flashpoint
        Flashpoint 17 May 2021 12: 36
        0
        Quote: Intruder
        We must ban knives, and put a couple of Russian guardsmen with machine guns in each park!
        Intrascope, dog handlers and Bruno's spirals everywhere around the perimeter and a couple of drones with thermal imagers in the sky ??? laughing

        Who is Bruno that has spirals everywhere? laughing
        PS: but what about the claymore mines, kamikaze with rotten ketchup on commodity carts and pits with stakes?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 52
          +2
          What kind of Bruno is that he has spirals everywhere


          Spirals of Bruno appeared during the First World War, the hostilities of which were characterized by the massive use of wire barriers, the Frenchman Bruno proposed to pre-wind the wire (barbed wire) on a drum and quickly mount the resulting barbed spiral in the field. Later, the spiral barbed wire fences were called "Bruno's Spiral". The installation of multi-row wire fences took time. The Bruno spiral, prepared in advance, made it possible to quickly build up obstacles in the areas of the breakthrough and was used to restore the destroyed obstacles and arrange them at new lines.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 17 May 2021 14: 26
            +3
            Quote: Intruder
            The Bruno spiral, prepared in advance, made it possible to quickly build up obstacles in the areas of the breakthrough and ...


            At the same time, the "Bruno spiral" appeared. This is a wire spiral that could be made at the factory and delivered in a compact form, in a special cylindrical tin case. The cover was opened and the "spring" of barbed wire straightened, giving 10 meters of finished wire fence, which remained to be attached to the ground with wooden stakes.
            By the way, barbed tape appeared later ...

            It was also used in the "Bruno spirals" ...
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 17 May 2021 12: 36
      +5
      We have about 140 million people in our country. The number of policemen of all stripes is somewhere around 2.3 million. Total - somewhere around a policeman for every 60 digs. What we have? And the fact that a guard should be in every front high-rise building !! Judging by their number. Do you even see a lot of them on the streets? Well - besides the dispersal of rallies? Yes shish there, I already forgot when the last time I saw the patrol in my area.

      The question is - what is all this horrible horde of healthy, well-fed men doing with a healthy salary and a 45-year-old pension for an incredibly difficult service ??
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 May 2021 13: 04
        +3
        Quote: paul3390
        The number of police officers of all stripes is somewhere 2.3 Million

        "Cut the sturgeon, otherwise there won't be any living in the village !!!" (C) anecdote
        You cut the number, yeah .. belay lol fool .. And then in this figure lebertasts usually include the army, and customs, and border guards
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 17 May 2021 13: 15
          +3
          For the alternatively gifted - this is the number of all the people of the sovereign, and not just the police specifically .. In addition to it, we have a lot of siloviki inside the country.
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 17 May 2021 13: 23
          -1
          Quote: your1970
          "Cut the sturgeon, otherwise there won't be any living in the village !!!" (C) anecdote

          If you want - cut the sturgeon, but if you want:
          Approximately every 57th resident of Russia works in power structures. This is stated in the research "Project", dedicated to the security forces. In general, about 2,6 million Russians are employed in law enforcement agencies.

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          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 17 May 2021 23: 43
            0
            Most of the data is incorrect. You would at least double-check the information, and not post the first thing that comes to hand.
      2. Obliterator
        Obliterator 17 May 2021 21: 04
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        The question is - what is all this horrible horde of healthy, well-fed men doing with a healthy salary and a 45-year-old pension for an incredibly difficult service ??

        We are protecting the capitalist gentlemen from you, obviously.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 May 2021 17: 06
      0
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      We must ban knives, and put a couple of Russian guardsmen with machine guns in each park!

      Zhvanetsky immediately remembered ...
      Place turnstiles at the end of each street. Of course, you can walk like that, and to your health, but this is recklessness - wherever I want, I go there. Place turnstiles at the end of each street. Just because. Let them let them through for now. Don't be scared. They only let know with a bang. And the attendants in bandages. Let them stand and let them pass. Their very presence, the very look ... You walk at them - your face burns, after them - your back burns. And they don't ask anything ... yet. This is the whole effect. And it already disciplines. You can block it at any time. Special teams have access to any house and so on.

      Along the contour of the squares - along the checkpoint. A man walks along the fence, hands - on the fence. Well, let's say, three or four rounds of the fence - and into the entrance, where no one detains him, although the attendants, of course, are standing. A special paint on the fence, well, there, prints and so on. Yes, my God, no one will take off the fence - there is nothing to be afraid of. But in the event of an emergency ... prints on the fence, and where are you going? In the meantime, let them pass without documents. Although you must have it with you, and this is mandatory in case of checking, reconciliation, emergency. That is, when you go to the person on duty, you already want to present something. If you pass without presentation, you will only suffer. Over time, no one will be ashamed of checks. Shame will go untested. Moreover, to appear unexpectedly and anywhere, like now. Or shout: "My home is my fortress" - from inner licentiousness.
      © Turnstiles
  9. Normal
    Normal 17 May 2021 11: 57
    +5
    It is necessary to revise the law enforcement practice in relation to self-defense and legalize the CCW
  10. usr01
    usr01 17 May 2021 12: 03
    +1
    "We are not like that, life is like that ...." (c) "Boomer"
    So they fly off the coils ... here and there.
    And they suffer ... whoever is caught by the arm, and the whole society "winds up" further ...
    "There is no stability" (c) "Moscow does not believe in tears"
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 17 May 2021 13: 06
      +1
      Quote: usr01
      We are not such, Life is so...."

      Such. Blue. yes "The guy is good, the vodka is bad ..."(with)
  11. vl903
    vl903 17 May 2021 12: 09
    +4
    notice all such problems from men. I suggest that all men be toughened, released only during the period of permitted hunting for duck and fluffy game, annually a crazy certificate is not cheaper than 30 thousand and all those who are longer than 12 cm or shorter than 5 cm should be banned altogether. Tsar's decree, without asking anyone !!! and these, ppm in blood !!! too !!! prohibit and do not let go !!!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 24
      +3
      notice all such problems from men. I suggest that all men be toughened, released only during the period of permitted hunting for duck and fluffy game, annually a crazy certificate is not cheaper than 30 thousand and all those who are longer than 12 cm or shorter than 5 cm should be banned altogether. Tsar's decree, without asking anyone !!! and these, ppm in blood !!! too !!! prohibit and do not let go !!!
      Yes, it's easier to kill in the hospital, and everyone else will die anyway, after 60-90 years of a global pandemic! good
  12. El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 17 May 2021 12: 10
    +2
    How does this news relate to the military-political topics of the site?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 26
      +4
      How does this news relate to the military-political topics of the site?
      And hell, bro knows him ... since May 11, a new news trend on VO (for testing public reactions), you can see !!!
  13. Stepan S
    Stepan S 17 May 2021 12: 11
    +8
    I read two dozen comments and suggestions on the necessary measures. I realized that no one cares just to write a few words. In fact, no measures can prevent such incidents. Not the ban on knives, the closure of parks, kitchens and the distribution of pistols. District police officers with Rosgvardia will also not save, but if there was no such indifference to what is happening, then it would be possible to save someone. How many people passed by the shooter in Kazan, who was going to school with a gun? And how many people passed by these drunks, until their roof was blown off and the next passers-by fell under the distribution ..
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: Stepan S
      but if there was no such indifference to what is happening, then it would be possible to save someone.

      Can you tell me what your reason for this same indifference was? I remember earlier, when the society of hunter-fishermen was with Dracov's permissive measures, it was easier and there was no such shooting in schools? What is the phenomenon?
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 17 May 2021 12: 30
        +2
        People were kinder before, and alcoholics are not so aggressive. And shooting in schools with hunter-fishermen has a connection, albeit weak. Previously, it would not have been possible to buy a gun just like that, but now please. But why do they go to school to shoot, and not to the mayor's office, or the police department? After all, in the mayor's office there is a guard at the entrance, not a grandmother, I'm not talking about the police, you can't go beyond the turnstile there. But at school, the kids are defenseless, what is it that pulls these bastards there ..
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: Stepan S
          Previously, it would not have been possible to buy a gun just like that, but now please.

          All relatives had "official" guns ...
          Quote: Stepan S
          People were kinder before, and alcoholics are not so aggressive.

          I wonder why recourse
          Quote: Stepan S
          That's just why they shoot go to school

          That's just why they even go to shoot ..
          1. Stepan S
            Stepan S 17 May 2021 12: 43
            +1
            That's just why they even go to shoot ..

            The pernicious influence of the West. Have seen enough.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 45
              0
              Quote: Stepan S
              The pernicious influence of the West.

              Ooooo what .. well, all the troubles from him ..
              1. Stepan S
                Stepan S 17 May 2021 13: 19
                +2
                Do you have your own answer to this question? Or do you think that Putin, as always, is to blame?
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Stepan S
                  Do you have your own answer to this question? Or do you think that Putin, as always, is to blame?

                  And he including ... That would seem America during the Great Depression, but how it seems to be ... Homo homini lupus is the basic rule and spirit of capitalism.
                  Further more "fear and fear" will be ..
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 17 May 2021 14: 31
              +2
              The pernicious influence of the West. Have seen enough.
              Precisely, even in a personal-intimate orientation, they have already introduced their European values ​​into our brackish mind ...!? winked
      2. your1970
        your1970 18 May 2021 17: 10
        -1
        Quote: mat-vey
        I remember earlier, when the society of hunters and fishermen was with Dracov's permitting measures, it was easier and there was no such shooting in schools?

        The father-in-law bought a single-barreled gun in the selmag for 16 rubles in the early 70s, without anything, at all ... They seized it from him already in the 90s ... he did not hunt with him ...
        I was small (70s), but I remember (I really wanted to !!) - we sold small things in sports goods. Without licenses and permits - sporting goods ...
        Where did you see the draconian measures, I do not know ...
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 18 May 2021 17: 45
          -1
          Quote: your1970
          Where have you seen the draconian measures, I do not know

          Can you see the phrase "easier"?
          1. your1970
            your1970 18 May 2021 19: 09
            -1
            Sorry, I didn't understand your idea ...
            You seem to be suggesting further simplify arms sales - than it was before? Yes?
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 18 May 2021 19: 10
              -1
              Quote: your1970
              You seem to be proposing to simplify the sale of weapons even more than it was before? Yes?

              And what is your reading logic based on making such conclusions?
              1. your1970
                your1970 18 May 2021 19: 19
                -1
                Quote: mat-vey
                Quote: your1970
                You seem to be proposing to simplify the sale of weapons even more than it was before? Yes?

                And what is your reading logic based on making such conclusions?

                On your post
                Quote: mat-vey
                And the phrase "easier" can you see it?

                So simplify or complicate?
                Do you just remember that "everything was easier before"?
                Please clarify your idea, otherwise I, for example, cannot understand you for the third time ...
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 18 May 2021 19: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: your1970
                  Do you just remember that "everything was easier before"?

                  Where was it about “everything?” You yourself think of something, and then complain that you cannot understand?
                  What do you think - if earlier it was easier to get hunting weapons, then it doesn't follow that it is more difficult now? Or do you get that now you need to simplify? If to simplify, then about how it was before or how it is now?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 18 May 2021 20: 53
                    0
                    That is, you cannot formulate your thought in an understandable (even to me !!) form ...
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 19 May 2021 03: 38
                      -1
                      Quote: your1970
                      understandable (even to me !!)

                      And why is "me" not with a capital letter? It's even YOU !!!
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 19 May 2021 06: 11
                      0
                      And you are funny ... Oh - YOU ..
    2. fax66
      fax66 17 May 2021 12: 22
      +3
      Noteworthy is the headline "Knife attack in Yekaterinburg led to the death of three people." You wait straight - TERRORIST !!! ANOTHER AVENGER !!! You will definitely drop by and read it.
      And then - a drunken stabbing .... But as served - all in a stream, "for sure - the empire of evil, lawlessness and thugs."
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 42
      +4
      In fact, no measures can prevent such incidents. Not the ban on knives, the closure of parks, kitchens and the distribution of pistols. District police officers with Rosgvardia will also not save, but if there was no such indifference to what is happening, then it would be possible to save someone. How many people passed by the shooter in Kazan, who was going to school with a gun? And how many people passed by these drunks, until their roof was blown off and another passers-by fell under the distribution ..
      And ... what do you actually propose, to oblige grandmothers and old people to knit different bukhariks in the park with household goods in hand, or to shove the teachers' breasts into 12 gauge in the school yard !? Then why do other guys in armor with a service officer walk the streets, and have a salary with seniority, how many are there for the size of the civilian population in a given country !?
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 17 May 2021 12: 51
        +2
        Quote: Intruder
        And ... what do you actually propose, to oblige grandmothers and old people to knit different bukhariks in the park with household goods in hand, or to shove the teachers' breasts into 12 gauge in the school yard !?

        To oblige ... well, and if they violate the rights of criminals, figure it out later ...
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 May 2021 14: 05
          +2
          To oblige ... well, and if they violate the rights of criminals, figure it out later ...
          Exactly, God forbid, plastic string bags from Magnet - light bodily and moral will cause, a crowd of attendants! belay
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 17 May 2021 14: 23
            +1
            Quote: Intruder
            Exactly, God forbid, plastic string bags from Magnet - light bodily and moral will cause, a crowd of attendants!

            Well, how many precedents are there ...
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 17 May 2021 14: 28
              +3
              Well, how many precedents are there ...
              What do you mean !? If you are talking about the inertness of the public in public places, about the fear of crime cultivated for decades, with a low culture and even more weapons culture, the unwillingness of the citizens themselves to solve problems on the spot, and if, with exceeding the necessary requirements, and to answer before a jury, then yes ... and there will be even more .., there are not enough kindergartens with cannibalism in broad daylight .., but it’s a pity for the children, they naively think that all these adults will be able to protect them in their children's life !!!
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 17 May 2021 14: 31
                +2
                Quote: Intruder
                What do you mean !?

                When the defender gets a sentence longer than the criminal, or the person who reported the crime himself becomes the only suspect.
      2. Stepan S
        Stepan S 17 May 2021 13: 21
        +2
        You can just call the guys with service weapons and in bulletproof vests, and not pass by, scolding "the Soviet government, which brought people."
    4. Normal
      Normal 17 May 2021 12: 53
      0
      distribution of pistols

      In what comments and from whom did you see it.
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 17 May 2021 13: 22
        0
        Why did I have to see it from someone? I wrote it myself, on my own.
        1. Normal
          Normal 17 May 2021 13: 38
          0
          What for?

          Why replace the demand for a revision of the attitude towards self-defense and the right to arms with your own fabrications?
    5. Tank hard
      Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 29
      0
      Quote: Stepan S
      I read two dozen comments and suggestions on the necessary measures. I realized that no one cares just to write a few words.

      You have misunderstood everything. The people simply make fun of the situation of tightening and prohibitions and weapons, for most individuals fully understand that prohibitions will not solve the problem. The "prohibitors" again "fight" not with the cause, but with the effect.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 18 May 2021 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Tank Hard
        "Prohibitors" again "fight" not with the cause, but with the effect.

        Yes, they do not "fight" anything - they represent a struggle.
  14. Kushka
    Kushka 17 May 2021 12: 19
    +2
    Let's remember "Mulya, don't make me nervous". One whistle of the janitor
    and as if out of the ground, a policeman in a white jacket grows up.
    Of course, there are spontaneously committed crimes (fights).
    But the criminal is a man, and purely subconsciously strive and
    commit a dirty deed and go unpunished. therefore
    staying in the park, seeing the patrol twice, will most likely refuse
    from intention. And what places to patrol, in the police of everyone
    the cities are well known. "Demonstration of the flag" kind of. Another thing,
    how it's done. I had to see how the police guys were having fun
    and enthusiastically communicate with girls, you see classmates met.
    Serving in pure form.
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 17 May 2021 12: 34
      +1
      There are no pure patrols now, as you are used to seeing in the movies, especially on foot. This is rather an exception in some areas. They can walk at the station, or in a city where there is a part of the National Guard nearby and conscripts are taken out on patrol in the evenings. For half a year of quarantine, when it seemed like it was impossible to go out on the street unnecessarily, I did not see a single police squad in my area.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 17 May 2021 13: 20
        +2
        In Gorbachev's time, the London correspondent of the newspaper
        "Trud" with many years of experience as a Moscow car enthusiast,
        having mastered driving in Longdon in this way, I suddenly wondered-
        there is no police anywhere (AIM in his understanding). And now, having achieved
        interview with a police officer, he began to find out this
        question. The official could not understand in any way what they wanted from him.
        Finally, when I could hardly understand, he raised his eyebrows in surprise.
        What for?!. There are Rules, there are signs, there are markings. Of this
        quite enough. Everything is just - observe. Understand
        themselves, in short. Well, if we haven't figured it out, we'll come ....
        That's the way it is for you. There is an Admin Code, there is a Criminal Code
        code, there is Responsibility - figure it out for yourself.
        Well, if you were stabbed to death, so be it, we'll come and figure it out.
      2. Kushka
        Kushka 17 May 2021 13: 27
        +1
        Work from the fact, so to speak.
        A man sits in the garage. Another comes -
        Listen, the Lada won't start!
        Right now, let's go and figure it out.
        So here too - the duty officer, the district militia officer, is sitting.
        A man comes - Listen there Petka
        Roly on the head with an ax.
        Right now, let's go and figure it out.
    2. hhurik
      hhurik 17 May 2021 12: 37
      +4
      You are a criminal alive - have you ever seen, communicated? wink Selfish and violent clients - they are oligophrenic in a significant number at different stages, very many cannot read and write, they have to read the protocols aloud. For them, the "dirty thing" in your understanding is the usual behavior, they suddenly wanted to. Everything happens for them all of a sudden, regardless of place, time, etc. So it is not necessary to ascribe your vision of the surrounding reality to them - their life is completely different. Just like those who wanted to eat, they stole the bread. And the police have been reduced and continue to be reduced at an accelerated pace, in order to save the budget.
      So - to blame for the deed, of course, extremely dangerous knives. Forbid, definitely.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 57
        +2
        For them, the "dirty thing" in your understanding is the usual behavior, they suddenly wanted to. Everything happens for them suddenly, regardless of place, time, etc. So you don't need to attribute your vision of the surrounding reality to them - their life is completely different. Just like those who wanted to eat, they stole the bread.
        Toda, remember old Colt, and the fact that he would be very right now !?
        1. hhurik
          hhurik 17 May 2021 14: 03
          +5
          No, it won't. Now it is easier to buy a shot-sorter than to get a driver's license. Are there many applicants? And it will be the same with pistils, the same people who already have bullets will buy. In general, the population has an extremely negative attitude towards bullets and their owners as dangerous eccentrics. Hunters / self-defenders won't let you lie.
          1. vl903
            vl903 17 May 2021 16: 54
            -1
            well, cars are much more dangerous. how much pressure? 40 thousand a year? the day before yesterday only two children on a pedestrian were knocked down 200 meters from my house .... let's ban cars !!!!
          2. Obliterator
            Obliterator 17 May 2021 21: 14
            0
            Quote: hhurik
            No, it won't. Now it is easier to buy a shot-sorter than to get a driver's license. Are there many applicants? And it will be the same with pistils, the same people who already have bullets will buy. In general, the population has an extremely negative attitude towards bullets and their owners as dangerous eccentrics. Hunters / self-defenders won't let you lie.

            And there is. The number of owners of weapons is falling, people are gradually losing interest in weapons. Here thieves "horsemen" will certainly want to arrange a pistol for themselves if possible. For this audience the worst thing.
          3. Intruder
            Intruder 18 May 2021 09: 00
            +2
            Hunters / self-defenders won't let you lie.
            , There is such laughing , For 6 months my family got used to me, exactly as: "a self-defense freak", as well as most of my acquaintances and friends, then everyone got used to the constant wearing of a belt holster and when there are signs of problems, even potential ones, now friends ask: "and you took trunk?" or "have you with you ...?", only six months and everyone got used to it, as well as to the cell phone in my hand ... yes
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 17 May 2021 12: 57
        +2
        In Russia today 914 people are on the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 500 million. During the Soviet era, the Ministry of Internal Affairs employed 147 people. by 623 million almost 000% fewer employees by almost twice the population and coped well, sometimes better .. how is it still abnormal - don't you think? even if you cut them by 250, it's still abnormal.
  15. prior
    prior 17 May 2021 12: 41
    +4
    Better yet, prohibit boys, youths and men, they are such fighters.
    However, modern girls are no less cruel.
    In short, ban everyone! And that's it!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 12: 59
      +3
      Better yet, prohibit boys, youths and men, they are such fighters.
      However, modern girls are no less cruel.
      In short, ban everyone! And that's it!
      Precisely, all these passing primates who think they are smarter than Nature itself and its Creator, you need to cleanse your beloved planet from cancer ... ??? laughing
  16. Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 17 May 2021 12: 46
    +2
    Quote: El Chuvachino
    How does this news relate to the military-political topics of the site?

    The military patrol took part in the arrest!
  17. vl903
    vl903 17 May 2021 13: 01
    +1
    Seriously, the country needs a healthy ideology, work with young people, there should be a shared goal in society. the police must have the support of the population and the population must have the support of the authorities in the merciless fight against crime and the prevention of crime by sick people. adequate people should have weapons. how to do it? probably we should not reinvent the wheel, copy solutions from other countries and our history. just do not need to talk about what is in the baltics, israel, switzerland, etc. people are better and therefore they can and we cannot. Well, one must understand that such cases can only be reduced, completely impossible to prevent. and another question about the shooters, did they have a planned brainwashing?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 14: 08
      +2
      Seriously, the country needs a healthy ideology, work with young people, there should be a shared goal in society. the police must have the support of the population and the population must have the support of the authorities in the merciless fight against crime and the prevention of crime by sick people. adequate people should have weapons. how to do it? probably we should not reinvent the wheel, copy solutions from other countries and our history. just do not need to talk about what is in the baltics, israel, switzerland, etc. people are better and therefore they can and we cannot. Well, one must understand that such cases can only be reduced, completely impossible to prevent. and another question about the shooters, did they have a planned brainwashing?
      Well, yes, it's better with simple examples: parking in places for the disabled, mountains of garbage in parks after barbecues, giving way to a lane for fire brigades and an ambulance ... and a lot more - these very "better" ... wink
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 May 2021 13: 22
    +1
    Spring, May, aggravation ..
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 17 May 2021 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: Angry 55
      Spring, May, aggravation ..

      During a period of massive cuts in production, the surge in crime does not depend on the season.
  19. ALEKSEY
    ALEKSEY 17 May 2021 17: 46
    +1
    Why is everyone humorous? ... This is an obvious continuation of the theme of the terrorist attack in Kazan. A special operation called "Reasons for strengthening control over the population." You can see at least that laws and other regulations on tightening control measures are riveted under the public opinion formed on emotions. Video cameras, policemen, bans, identification of people by technical means, social ranking of children and adolescents. I'm not one of the criminals, but even I feel uncomfortable with this pressure on society. Just don't get fired up right away - try to study the local press of other countries. There the same thing is going on now. Even similar reasons are "made". What was called conspiracy theory is increasingly finding practical implementation. PS September 11, the twin towers - was also an occasion ... remember in what aspects the US was untied (about Iraq).
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 17 May 2021 20: 35
      0
      Quote: ALEKSEY
      Why is everyone humor?

      Why cry then? Are you afraid of "total control"? Throw away your favorite cell to begin with.))
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 18 May 2021 09: 08
      +1
      Why is everyone humorous? ... This is an obvious continuation of the theme of the terrorist attack in Kazan. A special operation called "Reasons for strengthening control over the population." You can see at least that laws and other regulations on tightening control measures are riveted under the public opinion formed on emotions. Video cameras, policemen, bans, identification of people by technical means, social ranking of children and adolescents. I'm not one of the criminals, but even I feel uncomfortable with this pressure on society. Just don't get fired up right away - try to study the local press of other countries. There the same thing is going on now. Even similar reasons are "made". What was called conspiracy theory is increasingly finding practical implementation. PS September 11, the twin towers - was also an occasion ... remember in what aspects the US was untied (about Iraq).
      No need to panic, everything has long been calculated and predicted for 100 years ahead, the outbreak of a global pandemic and massive lockdowns, then the massive introduction of constant wearing of masks (especially cheap rags from the store or from the market ...), social distance (standing in the store only by drawn lines on the floor) and fines, the mandatory already passing the analysis when crossing the state border, and then ... with a laser tattoo on the arm with the number, the index of the health certificate and, at the end, the caste society of the Future, with a safety collar (from oneself) on the neck, with an activity tracker of the body (under a light sauce of the state's care, you can apply to save the lives of citizens) and the position on the map of the city / area and places of registration of citizens! good
  20. Free Island
    Free Island 18 May 2021 02: 39
    +1
    To hold the next conference of the head of Rosgvardia and Putin, at which the head of the Rosgvardia will carry another nonsense in the style of "increasing the age from which you can pick up a knife until the 21st year. To buy a knife, enter a medical examination, courses, customs duty. To purchase a real kitchen knife, you must first hold a wooden knife for five years "
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 18 May 2021 09: 13
      +1
      To acquire a real kitchen knife, you must first use a wooden knife for five years. "
      Yes, composite first ... and then after 5 years, steel will be allowed ... and up to 2 mm. (with a blade length - up to 90 mm) blade thickness, and more, register as XO, and all the torments of Hell, with the purchase of a certified safe with installation only by a government organization! good
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 May 2021 06: 06
        +1
        Do you remember the Soviet registration of hunting knives, for starters ...
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 19 May 2021 09: 43
          0
          you will remember the Soviet registration of hunting knives
          now is not Soviet times !? and household goods and tourist knives, began to make whoever is not lazy and of good quality, by the way, the import is unlimited, almost nothing, the main thing is that the technical parameters are in the given range !?
  21. ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 18 May 2021 04: 36
    +1
    Well, now the sale of knives will probably be toughened.
  22. Esaul
    Esaul 18 May 2021 09: 50
    -1
    To what Putin has brought the country, we are already killing each other ...
  23. bogart047
    bogart047 18 May 2021 11: 26
    0
    will they squeal about the need to ban knives?
  24. Anachoret
    Anachoret 18 May 2021 11: 43
    -1
    forgive me if we tighten the turnover of knives, but what documents do you need to collect on the slicer then?))