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The loss of over a thousand missile launchers: the consequences of the early decommissioning of cruisers in the US Navy

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The loss of over a thousand missile launchers: the consequences of the early decommissioning of cruisers in the US Navy

The United States has a heated debate about development prospects fleet... In the face of a shortage of funds, it is planned to take radical measures, including a reduction in the number of ships. However, opponents believe that actions of this kind are beneficial only to the opponents of the United States.


Over a thousand rocket launchers retired


The controversy unfolded in connection with the current plans to decommission a number of pennants, thereby obtaining funds for the construction of new ships. This primarily concerns cruisers, landing docks and LCS littoral ships.

If we reduce the number of cruisers as proposed by the [US Navy], then we will lose over a thousand (namely, 1200) missile launchers. The question is how to replace them?

- said Congressman Rob Wittman, talking about the cancellation of the consequences of early cruisers. At the same time, he noted that indications of the possible commissioning of new ships in 4-5 years are unacceptable.

We are talking about the massive decommissioning of Ticonderoga-class cruisers, each of which is armed with 8 Harpoon anti-ship missiles and 122 Tomahawk missiles. Currently, there are 22 ships of this class in service (out of 27 built).

The situation is similar with landing ships: if their numbers are reduced in accordance with the current proposal, then the fleet will lose a quarter of its capabilities in organizing an invasion.



Joy for the opponents of the USA


I am not saying that we should not retire these systems. I say we have to do it right. We need to make sure we have a transition plan [...] Our opponents will look at this drop in [combat potential] and say, "Wow, this is our opportunity."

- said Wittman at a special conference.

According to Congressman Elaine Luria, who strongly disagrees with the decommissioning of cruisers, it is necessary to be ready for the battle for Taiwan in the next decade, and not to count on the fact that the war with China will flare up in 2045.

And about. Deputy Secretary of the Navy James Gerts said at the same conference that it is necessary to maximize the return on the resources seized from the taxpayer. In his words, you cannot fall in love with equipment and cling to it with all your might - the product used must be able to carry a combat load:

The cost of maintaining a ship for too long can be exhausting on the budget. My first priority is to maximize the return for every dollar the taxpayer gives me.


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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 17 May 2021 10: 52
    +4
    "Axes" are becoming obsolete, hypersound will most likely not fit into old cells, and this is not counting the wear and tear of the ships themselves, it's too early to rejoice, in my opinion.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 May 2021 10: 56
      +3
      And so this is just talk.
      1. novel66
        novel66 17 May 2021 11: 06
        -3
        and the boats are a pity, beautiful
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 13: 28
          +2
          sorry beautiful

          yeah, just 4 channels for 4 radar target illumination
          air defense cruiser type
          1. novel66
            novel66 17 May 2021 16: 05
            +1
            at no aegis ???
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 17: 39
              0
              at no aegis ???

              in space - yes, there SM-3 rules,
              but for low-flying targets, only 4 channels for Ticonderoga
              for Arleigh Burke only 3 channels
              and the choice of missiles is not great, only SM-2 and SM-6
          2. 3danimal
            3danimal 17 May 2021 17: 39
            +2
            First: target illumination is needed only for SM-2 / 2ER, Sea Sparrow with semi-active seeker.
            Secondly: unlike the same "Hurricane" or "Fort", the illumination is needed only in the final section of the trajectory of the rocket, before that it is guided by the autopilot.
            What it looks like: 20 missiles are launched at 10 targets, as they approach, the AN / SPG-62 radar illuminates the desired target, after which they immediately switch to the next, then to the next, and so on.
            And the advantage of BIUS AEGIS lies in the ability to control all this in real time.
            Thirdly, when using SM-6 missiles (which are now the majority), illumination is not needed at all. The autopilot guides the missile defense system, receives a course correction (if necessary), then the seeker locks the target.
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 17: 48
              +1
              before that it is driven by the autopilot.

              I agree that the theoretical ones can hold up to 20 missiles in the air, but highlight only 4 targets from the Cr Ticonderoga
              when using SM-6 missiles, no illumination is needed at all

              I agree,
              BUT, apply this scheme against the Zircon anti-ship missiles at a speed of 3,7 km / s. - not work
              Radio horizon = 40 km
              Hardware processing and issuance of control center Aegis = 8 seconds
              SM-6 launch and target declination, speed gain 2 seconds
              Dead zone SM-6 = 5 km
              Zircon will tear the side of Ticonderoga when the SM-6 will only lean towards the target
              So they are withdrawn from the US Navy, this is like text between the lines under the article
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 17 May 2021 18: 25
                0
                BUT, apply this scheme against the Zircon anti-ship missiles at a speed of 3,7 km / s. - will not work

                These Zircons were given to you smile This RCC does not fly at low altitude at all, because it will burn at the same time.
                Examine the table with the dependences of the heating temperature on the speed and altitude (atmospheric density):

                Radio horizon = 40 km
                Hardware processing and issuance of control center Aegis = 8 seconds
                SM-6 launch and target declination, speed gain 2 seconds
                Dead zone SM-6 = 5 km
                Zircon will tear the side of the Ticonderoga when the CM-6 only tilts towards the target.

                And all calculations fall apart after the specification (available in all open sources) flight characteristics .. Be careful. By the way, where does the data on the Aegis reaction time come from? It is regularly updated. Do you have your own man in the US Navy? smile
                Zircon flies along a quasi-ballistic trajectory, reaching an altitude of 40 km at its peak. Bright and noticeable, it will be detected from a distance of 700 km, fired from a maximum distance of 260-300 km.
                With an average speed, 8M will fly 200 km in 80-100 s, during this time up to 200 SM-6 (1 missiles per second, from the bow and stern MK-41 installations at the same time) can be fired at it, if there were so many request
                Dead zone SM-6 = 5 km

                There is also an ESSM with a range of 50 km, OBT and an overload of 60g.
                And SeaRAM with a range of 10 km (like Kortik, but each SAM has its own seeker).

                The main weakness of ultra-long-range high-speed anti-ship missiles is target designation. It should be quite accurate.
                For Ticonderoga (LRASM anti-ship missiles) as part of the AUG, it will be provided by the E-2D AWACS (with AFAR), flying at a distance of 300 km with a radio horizon of 430 km.
                And for Gorshkov?
                Say - "Liana"? But these are 4-6 satellites moving in orbits (1 revolution in 1-2 hours), which is not enough for the World Ocean.
                Or, return to the tactics of "tracking with weapons", when a frigate is constantly on duty 30 km from a group of ships of a potential enemy, so that at the right time it can transfer the control center and attack itself.
                But who will let him?
                The same "Tiki" have a cruising range of 6100 km at 30 knots, for an atomic AB this is generally a normal operating speed when lifting the wings.
                So they are withdrawn from the US Navy, this is like text between the lines under the article

                Maybe because many are almost 30 years old? And they are being built to replace the Berks flight III?
                1. Romario_Argo
                  Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 18: 54
                  0
                  These Zircons were given to you smile This anti-ship missile does not fly at all at a low altitude, because it will burn out at the same time

                  find out soon
                  tantalum alloy withstands quietly 3000 degrees
                  and by the way, like anti-ship missiles - Zircon runs at an altitude of 5-10 meters
                  There is also an ESSM with a range of 50 km

                  rather 5 km.
                  will provide AWACS E-2D (with AFAR)

                  as well as the nominated destroyer of the radio patrol, the E-2D will be destroyed
                  since the E-2 will be cleaned with the R-33, R-37 our Dryers, Carcasses or MiGs
                  Say - "Liana"? But these are 4-6 satellites, not enough for the World Ocean

                  you have a primitive idea of ​​space RTR reconnaissance
                  pay attention to the radio visibility zone of the device, and there are 4-6 of them, they overlap each other
                  and the selection and issuance of the control center is located in Moscow
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 17 May 2021 19: 20
                    +1
                    tantalum alloy withstands quietly 3000 degrees

                    But not 5700 'at 10M at the surface. Anobtanius? Adamantium? smile
                    and by the way, like anti-ship missiles - Zircon runs at an altitude of 5-10 meters

                    No, not at this speed (on the Moon or Mars - please)
                    Look for more information.
                    you have a primitive idea of ​​space RTR reconnaissance

                    Seriously? About primitiveness:
                    rather 5 km.

                    This is a joke? Or are you too lazy to search?
                    as well as the nominated destroyer of the radio patrol, the E-2D will be destroyed
                    since the E-2 will be cleaned with the R-33, R-37 our Dryers, Carcasses or MiGs

                    Carcasses? Please enlighten which Tu-brand fighters are in service with us?
                    AUG will not come closer than 2000 km to the coast.
                    And on AB is based an air wing for 60 carrier-based multipurpose fighters.
                    4 of them will always be close to E-2, but he sees further.
                    pay attention to the radio visibility zone of the device, and there are 4-6 of them, they overlap each other

                    One reconnaissance satellite will NOT be able to view half of the Earth, even from a distance of 39000 km. How do you even imagine this ??
                    And during the threatening period, the AUG will observe radio camouflage. Anti-nuclear warrant when the escort is 20-40 km from AB.
                    I associate such dreams with the desire for "freebies".
                    To bypass the Ferrari team on the Priora.
                    Will not work. We'll have to invest heavily and fork out. Like the Chinese.
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 17 May 2021 21: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: 3danimal
                      But not 5700 'at 10M at the surface. Anobtanius? Adamantium?
                      Tin, actually. And this is not a joke: the rocket is not an airplane, the required lifetime is extremely limited, and the evaporating tin will perfectly cool the rocket. Another thing is that the engine that can produce cruising hypersound at low altitudes does not exist.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 17 May 2021 21: 52
                        +1
                        Tin at 5700 'will melt and fly off instantly (oncoming stream of incredible force).
                        Shielding like a Shuttle? But the Shuttle is in the shaky upper atmosphere and slows down, here the person proposes to maintain the speed until the hit.
                        It has nothing to do with physics, more - with computer games ..
                      2. bk0010
                        bk0010 17 May 2021 21: 55
                        0
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        Tin at 5700 'will melt and fly off instantly
                        No, it works fine. Okay, don't want to be tough, there are more cunning options: https://habr.com/ru/post/405195/
                      3. 3danimal
                        3danimal 18 May 2021 07: 29
                        +1
                        New ablative protection for missiles and aircraft does not evaporate even at 3000 ° C

                        Even here the threshold is 3000 '.
                        As a result, overheating cannot be sustained for speeds over 5-7M. (I gave the table)
                        There is no question of any 3,7 km / s at low altitude.
    2. Grif
      Grif 18 May 2021 18: 15
      0
      I don't find anything beautiful. Freaks are rare.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 17 May 2021 11: 27
    +7
    "Axes" become obsolete "////
    ----
    Tomahawks have recently been modernized, some have been turned into anti-ship missiles, replacing the GOS.
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 17 May 2021 17: 35
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Tomahawks have recently been modernized, some have been turned into anti-ship missiles, replacing the GOS.

      Subsonic anti-ship missiles are in any case the last century. Especially considering the advanced naval (and not only naval) air defense / missile defense of Russia.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 May 2021 17: 49
        +3
        Is not a fact. Subsonic anti-ship missiles are stealth. Like JASSM.
        And they are only "at the beginning of the journey."
        She flies slowly and low. Radars do not flop her. It hits neatly
        to the right vulnerable point.
        Optics against the background of water such a rocket is also poorly flooded.
        Only from a fighter flying from above in the course of the rocket itself,
        it is easy to knock it down.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 17 May 2021 20: 44
          -1
          Let's admit. Although there are a lot of "ifs" here.
          I'm more interested in what will become of all this stealth when photonic radars are adopted. And before that, not so long.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 May 2021 21: 10
            +2
            Photonic radar is an ultra-short wavelength radar. Sub-millimeter range.
            Further (even shorter) - already lasers (lidars).
            Such waves decay rapidly in the atmosphere and are easily absorbed by surfaces.
            The shorter the wave, the less distance the radar operates. But the picture is very clear.
            For stealth, it is not the rofar that is dangerous, but the meter radar. Such waves cannot be absorbed by a stealth cover and are difficult to completely disperse to the sides. But the "picture" is very approximate.
            But for these reasons, modern air defense works in the centimeter and decimeter ranges.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 17 May 2021 21: 59
              -1
              You know little about the principles of photonic radar, or you confuse it with something else. https://naukatehnika.com/fotonnye-radary-fotonika-stels-texnologii.html
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 17 May 2021 22: 09
                +1
                From your link:
                "The target is illuminated by a stream of specially polarized light, and the photons reflected from the target are used to compose an image of the target."
                Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/fotonnye-radary-fotonika-stels-texnologii.html
                naukatehnika.com

                Such a device is called a lidar. Used in geology,
                police on helicopters in the city. Scanning an object with light.
                Works at short distances.
                If the light does not need to be returned, then it is a laser.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 17 May 2021 16: 09
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    and this is not counting the wear and tear of the ships themselves
    I heard that they have problems with the hulls, they stuffed too much there, they crack. Therefore, with a comparable displacement, Arlie Berks made significantly fewer launchers, using the vacated displacement to strengthen the hull.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 May 2021 10: 54
    +8
    It will not be possible to quickly compensate for the departure of Ticonderoga, even in the United States "with a machine". Although the ships are old, they are one of the key links in the fleet, they are part of all AUG.
    1. Serpet
      Serpet 17 May 2021 11: 37
      +23
      Quote: Doccor18
      The ships, although old, are one of the key links of the fleet, are part of all AUG

      The Americans really have nothing to fully replace "Tiki" with. Personally, from the features of these ships, I like the helicopter deck in the center - the minimum impact of pitching on takeoff / landing.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 17 May 2021 11: 42
        +4
        Yes, and two AUs managed to deliver.
        The ship really turned out to be very serious (and, one might say, revolutionary for its time).
        1. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A 17 May 2021 11: 51
          +4
          The revolutionary was Spruens, to whom Aegis was added, and later the VPU.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 17 May 2021 13: 32
        +1
        Personally, from the peculiarities of these ships, I like the helicopter deck in the center.

        For some reason, they don't do this anywhere else.
        But the radar is serious there. Air defense / missile defense AUG cruisers are controlled.
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 May 2021 17: 04
          +1
          Quote: Alex777
          For some reason, they don't do this anywhere else.

          Our "Sarych" also has a helipad close to the center of mass - the impact of rolling is minimal. But the hangar is only movable.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 17 May 2021 17: 13
            0
            Our "Sarych" also has a helipad close to the center of mass

            It is clear why - one development time.
            The pilots on Sarychi swore at such a decision.
            You talk about pitching, but forget about pitching. Taking into account the height of the site, it is quite significant. hi
            1. bayard
              bayard 17 May 2021 17: 17
              0
              I, too, have always disliked this arrangement, but on the Sarychi a stern tower with a double-barreled gun appeared. After all, he was developed as an escort and to support the landing forces, and the helicopter was an option - it flew in / out ... sometimes spent the night.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 17 May 2021 17: 24
                +1
                It is generally accepted that the second tower was redundant.
                China has modernized a pair of Sarychs - they changed the missile launchers, installed VPUs instead of girders, made a stationary helicopter hangar, expanded the helipad and removed the aft tower.


                True, the seven-barreled guns, as in the picture, were not installed. Our 4x6 AK-630s were left. hi
                1. bayard
                  bayard 17 May 2021 18: 39
                  +2
                  The plans of the Soviet Navy were to modernize the entire Sarychey fleet (and Frigates 1155) under the UVP with the dismantling of the aft tower. Instead of a beam - "Calm", in place of the aft tower 3 - 4 UKSK (24 - 32 KR) for "Onyx" and "Granatov". And with the hangar and the expansion of the helipad, they were going to get better.
                  Did not make it .
                  Moreover, instead of 8 "Mosquitoes" in 2 launchers, they were going to install two launchers x 6 "Onyxes" = 16 pcs.
                  And UKSK - specifically for "Pomegranates" (daddy "Caliber").
                  It would be a shaped beast.
                  And with that in marketable quantities.
                  And 1155 planned to modernize - up to 48 KR in UKSK (in place of the second tower), Onyx in inclined PU (12 pcs), PLUR "Waterfall" and "Calm" instead of one of the SAM "Dagger" (the second remained in place).
                  It was also a beast.
                  And the 1155 series had to continue in a completely new guise. There is already a tower from "Sarych" (double-barreled gun), 64 KR in UKSK, "Calm", "Dagger", 12 - 18 "Onyxes in inclined launchers," Waterfall ", and one of their helicopters could be AWACS.
                  And this is in the presence in all versions of the incomparable "Polynomial" at that time.
                  When compared with the Burks, only the long-range air defense system was lacking. But in shock weapons, our animals outnumbered their opponents by at least two heads ...
                  Would have surpassed.
                  Not fused.
                  Maybe that's why it didn't grow together because "could" ...
                  And the Chinese are great - they are learning.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 17 May 2021 19: 16
                    0
                    Inclined 2x6 Onyx did not work on the Rollback and testing was quickly curtailed.
                    And the Chinese, yes, they installed inclined launchers of their CDs instead of Mosquitoes.
                  2. Alex777
                    Alex777 17 May 2021 19: 19
                    0
                    A little clarification: the Chinese did not remove the aft towers.
                    On the 956E they were, but on the 956EM they were not originally.
    2. lucul
      lucul 17 May 2021 11: 49
      0
      It will not be possible to quickly compensate for the departure of Ticonderoga

      As I understand it, 10 Tikanderogo out of 22 will be written off. If we consider that the annual maintenance of the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers costs the US Navy $ 85 million, and the cruiser will pull even more in cost, then a saving of at least $ 10 billion a year is planned.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 17 May 2021 14: 29
      -4
      Especially with such hard workers as mattress makers))) when one shipbuilder, a nationality especially respected in the United States now, started a small fire in order to go home early - the nuclear submarine had to be written off)))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 May 2021 10: 54
    -2
    Yes, you will not say anything, the US fleet is good, the strongest in the world! But the Fed's printing press is malfunctioning. Fleet optimization is coming. Or a social package or the fleet, they chose the fleet. I hope they will be optimized, and China is happy.
    1. Ryusey
      Ryusey 17 May 2021 11: 41
      0
      War is coming and the fleet will be optimized "by itself".
  • zwlad
    zwlad 17 May 2021 10: 56
    +3
    Again, the division of the budget pie, the funds from which they want to redirect to the construction of new ships, instead of maintaining the combat readiness of the morally obsolete ones. Everything is logical.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 17 May 2021 11: 03
    0
    The Americans did a great job with Perry - a ship for a given price. We need to go further - the entire fleet is at a given cost. Build in such a way that not a cent exceed the naval budget.
    1. Evil troll
      Evil troll 17 May 2021 11: 08
      -2
      The main thing is to calculate the budget with a margin. There are all sorts of switches for fifty bucks and stuff.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 May 2021 11: 21
    +8
    we will lose over a thousand (namely 1200) missile launchers ... Our opponents will look at this drop [of combat potential] and say: “Wow, here is our opportunity»
    Possibility of what? Attack the United States as a result of the decommissioning of several ships? So, judging by the statements, the Americans gathered for a "battle" with China over Taiwan. You first figure it out in yourself, and then decide with whom and where you will fight.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 17 May 2021 11: 35
    +1
    Well, Arlie Burke continues to build, so replacing 22 cruisers will not be a problem. Arleigh Burke is not much inferior to Ticonderoga in armament.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 17 May 2021 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Well, Arlie Burke continues to build, so replacing 22 cruisers will not be a problem. Arleigh Burke is not much inferior to Ticonderoga in armament.


      Berks have less PU by 23%.
      Tika is still considered and is the main fire control ship in naval formations (including Burke).

      so it is inferior even now, after 30 years and new modifications ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 17 May 2021 14: 20
        0
        Well, they will add AUG instead of 1 Ticonderogi 2 Arleigh Burke and that's it. The AUG air defense control is now coming from Ticonderoga, but it will not be a problem to move it to an aircraft carrier.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          17 May 2021 15: 13
          +1
          In the American Navy, ships are more often reduced to so-called battle groups, rather than aircraft carrier groups, where the cruiser is the leader.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 17 May 2021 14: 30
      0
      Well, if 25% for B / C and guidance channels is not much, then I am calm for Matrasoland)))
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 May 2021 11: 39
    0
    They will not disarm in principle ... they will invent, create something different, new.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 May 2021 11: 50
    +1
    In general, I did not understand, as always otmaza, the US fleet is going to the battle in the South China Sea for the Spartli archipelago? Taiwan will fall into the Chinese embrace anyway, he uses the experience of the Crimea 100%. the historical unification of Taiwan and the PRC. Hong Kong, as an example, unexpectedly returned to the historic harbor.
  • Yuri V.A
    Yuri V.A 17 May 2021 11: 56
    +1
    That's the reason to urgently build 15-20 large destroyers. The miscalculation with the Zamvolts backfired.
  • Siegfried
    Siegfried 17 May 2021 12: 03
    -1
    Perhaps aggravation in Palestine is Iran's response to Israel's actions. Iran pays Hamas now $ 30m. $ a month instead of $ 70 million a year earlier.
  • serg v zapase
    serg v zapase 17 May 2021 12: 14
    +1
    It is not clear what kind of joy for the opponents of the states is being said. Well, they will write off a dozen or more boats, so this is neither cold nor hot. The joy is that they are not transferred, for example, to Ukraine, Bulgaria or Taiwan.
  • nonsense
    nonsense 17 May 2021 13: 41
    -1
    nothing, the Americans are cunning people. They will stick these launchers on land in some next Romania with Poland "for protection from North Korea" ...
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 May 2021 14: 27
    +1
    When I write that before I say how bad everything is in the Navy, let's see what the sworn friends are like - and I get a bunch of "minuses". But now they are officially announcing that the most powerful fleet on the planet (while the most visible one is not long left) has a lot of problems. I would like to ask the citizens of Timokhin and Klimov (or is it the same thing), am I an amateur or where?))) And what does it mean, I talked about this a couple of years ago. There was an interesting little article, a retired commander, in the "New York Times", unfortunately not kept.
  • grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 17 May 2021 18: 26
    +1
    In the face of a shortage of funds, it is planned to take radical measures, including a reduction in the number of ships.

    Immediately to the point: "American, hand over your iPhone - buy the right to patronize one Ticonderoga sailor's cabin!
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 19 May 2021 10: 23
    -2
    considering that Ticonderogs were produced back in the 80s, it is not surprising that they were going to be written off
    it will be in us the ships of the 70s will be patched, while the admirals are sawing loot on mercury and other non-combat utensils
  • Diverter
    Diverter 23 May 2021 21: 14
    0
    the decrease in the number of missile launchers in mattress mats for some reason makes me very happy.