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"The decision is not final": the military-industrial complex allowed the extension of the APRKSN series of the Borey project

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A series of Borei-A project submarine strategic missile carriers can be continued, this issue is under consideration.


About this in an interview RIA News said a member of the military-industrial complex and the Marine Collegium under the government Vladimir Pospelov.

Answering the question about the completion of the Boreyev series after the laying of the ninth and tenth missile submarines, Pospelov said that this was not a final decision, the series could be continued, since the APRKSNs of this project meet the requirements of the Russian fleet and have great modernization potential.

He did not name the exact number of additional Boreyevs, this issue will be resolved based on the needs of the fleet and the limitations of the START-3 Treaty, which determines the number of warheads and launchers.

Currently, four Boreas are in service in the Navy, of which three projects 955 (Borey) of the 4th generation - the strategic missile cruisers Yuri Dolgoruky, Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh, as well as one submarine missile carrier of the modernized project "Borey-A" - "Prince Vladimir". Another "Borey-A" - "Prince Oleg" is undergoing state tests.

Three more APRKSNs are under construction at Sevmash - Generalissimus Suvorov (laid down on December 26, 2014), "Emperor Alexander III" (laid down on December 18, 2015) and "Prince Pozharsky" (laid down on December 23, 2016). Two more Boreas-A "Prince Potemkin" and "Dmitry Donskoy" will be laid down during this year.
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  1. Torins
    Torins 17 May 2021 08: 36
    +12
    Good news!
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 17 May 2021 09: 03
      +6
      Good news!

      rather yes than no
      a new contract is needed START 4 under the USA, RF, China, India, England, France, Israel, Pakistan
      who else has SNAO (?) (!)
      1. For example
        For example 17 May 2021 09: 22
        +10
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        a new contract is needed ...

        You need to be ready to repel aggression from any side.

        Restrictions are beneficial only to those who lose.

        It is necessary to develop weapons not included in START3, but capable of controlling the aggression of any state. Including China, India and other "allies".
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 May 2021 09: 51
          +6
          Quote: For example
          It is necessary to develop weapons not included in START3, but capable of controlling the aggression of any state. Including China, India and other "allies".

          For this, the deployment of the MRBM and the KRBD will be enough, but for this, first, they must appear in service. And the construction of "Boreyev-A", which costs the cost of the modern frigate 22350, even purely for economic reasons, seems to be the most optimal. In terms of strategic delivery vehicles, even under the current agreement, we still have a very good lag.
          1. hrych
            hrych 17 May 2021 10: 29
            +2
            Quote: bayard
            To do this, it will be enough to deploy MRBM and KRBD

            I also like MT or TBD, as anyone likes the abbreviation. The population of countries, including the United States, such as
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            China, India, England, France, Israel, Pakistan

            as well as Japan, Turkey and other EU countries are concentrated on the coast. Moreover, all these countries are located in a strip of latitudes from the North Pole in 4-7 thousand kilometers. Those. it is extremely convenient to shoot with a Bulava from the Arctic in half to one and a half less, its maximum range and you can not leave your territorial waters. Well, the taplovo trail from the satellite is not visible due to the ice crust.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 17 May 2021 14: 11
              +2
              laughing Well, our treaty is unlikely to refuse .. I personally wonder .. is it stronger than Boreyas noisier Ashes .. And then the idea came up to make boats-arsenals from Boreyev .. All the same, 50 hypersonic missiles are quite powerful .. Especially if you develop with a range of 2,5 , 3-XNUMX thousand km ..
              1. hrych
                hrych 17 May 2021 14: 31
                +4
                Ash has an acoustic system in the bow compartment, so he sees (hears) further. Zircons are sharpened for it. Borey is the fastest SSBN, it is slightly inferior in speed to multipurpose aircraft, which does not allow the latter to intercept it. But Borey himself is not fast enough to engage in interception, or climb to a strike distance within a thousand kilometers. He already has the Caliber nomenclature through the TA-533. But having an RPL on board, with an intercontinental range and separable IN blocks and wiping out large countries in a salvo, makes it the most powerful weapon on the ground. Its main task is to be in the inaccessible zone, being able to reach any point on the planet. And why should he deal with smaller and more dangerous tasks, when for this there is Ash with Antem with a bunch of vertical launchers, there are Shchuki-B and some titanium nuclear submarines with TA-533, as well as Varshavyanka with the Caliber nomenclature, from anti-submarine missile torpedoes, Anti-ship missiles and strategic ZM-14.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 17 May 2021 14: 49
                  -1
                  the number of submarines is limited by agreement ... the control center at ranges over 100 km is still external, but in which case, putting several nuclear submarines into the open sea with a total salvo of 150 missiles will close the issue of the danger of AUG and others like them .. + such boats will be in fact, they are identical to strategists, which will ensure the exit of strategists + Ash is much more expensive than Borey ...
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 17 May 2021 15: 10
                    +6
                    Not the number of boats is limited, but the total number of missiles and warheads. 10 nuclear submarines are 160 Maces (no more than 700 under the contract, plus 100 non-deployed ones) and 640 warheads (4 BB, although it seems that the contract is limited to no more than 3. I will not lie.). The contract limits deployed blocks to 1550. So no problem. AUG does not threaten us as a continental power. And the development of over-the-horizon control systems, i.e. ZGRLS, Sputnikovaya Liana, etc., now there will also be a satellite radar with YSU, they allow you to control the enemy's fleet in real time and direct BR, hypersonic / supersonic carriers, as well as long-range Caliber for a thousand kilometers. Cover the SBCh course, so that they did not have time to escape. And the anti-ship missile system, with flying into the plane, is pampering against third countries. We will certainly beat the Americans with the SBS in squares.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 17 May 2021 15: 17
                      -1
                      Well, yes .. let's build a nuclear submarine for 20 lard and place only 5 missiles there .. aha .. Or throw 2 warheads on a rocket .. this is what an economy ... I repeat-Borei-inexpensive and well-oiled submarines .. And as shown practice wins the quantity with good quality .. For example: a T-34 tank or frigates Oliver Hazard Perry .. Ash is a good submarine, but at best in the 22nd year there will be only 3 of them, and the same Boreyev already 6. fleet, after the construction of the series, the question of how many and when to build to replace the old Dolphins will be raised ...
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 17 May 2021 15: 34
                        +4
                        Not 5, but 16 missiles. Everything fits into the contract and does not even reach a third. There are 3 ashes, but there are 7 Antaeus to them, which will include a bunch of Zircons. 10 Pike with Calibers, 2-3 titanium nuclear submarines and Varshavyanka with Halibuts. Well, with the Poseidons, new power. There is also Belgorod with Khabarovsk nuclear submarines. In a word, there is something to answer the adversary.
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 17 May 2021 18: 08
                        -2
                        and what is the name of the titanium project? And yes .. the fleet must be strong and in the future have long-range missiles such as Caliber-M and Zircon-M with a range of up to 3 km .. the conflict of nuclear weapons to automatically lose Russia ... we need a MASS nuclear submarine, not a piece project
                      3. hrych
                        hrych 17 May 2021 18: 19
                        +1
                        So Ash is that. And Borey is not yet completed as the SSBN. That would be 10-12 pieces, then you can think. So far it will be 6. I repeat, Borey is good, but inferior to Ash and enemy multipurpose vehicles in speed. I repeat, Boreas, he is calculated how to get away and hide. And Ash, on the contrary, catch up and destroy the enemy SSBNs and a similar multi-purpose vehicle. Concurrently attack the formations of the enemy and his base with cities at a dangerous distance. And so that Ash, that Borey are essentially cut Pike-B with inserted missile compartments. The mace is of course large and although there is no hump, it protrudes slightly. Ash, opposite to Pike, had leash increased in length.
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 17 May 2021 18: 30
                        0
                        so he should not chase someone to shoot torpedoes ... the task of the Arsenal is to sniff and, on order, fire a volley at the detected enemy ships and bases + they can be used as carriers of aerial reconnaissance drones-based on x-101 missiles, and naval reconnaissance on In fact, by the 27th year, the issue of the transfer of strategists to Borei will be resolved ... And what next? Therefore, I propose, in order not to waste time, after launching to the water to lay as arsenals boats, so that while a decision is made not to waste time
                      5. hrych
                        hrych 17 May 2021 18: 56
                        0
                        There will be other technologies. Now, Poseidon is no longer even a perspective. An Unlimited Range Petrel has appeared. The moment will come when the Petrel will dive, fly out of the water. There will be a cross between Poseidon and Petrel. Such systems will not need a carrier submarine at all. Borei and Ash will serve until that time.
                      6. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 17 May 2021 19: 52
                        +1
                        That Poseidon, that Petrel work on the principle of-launched and forgotten .. I went to pray .. for underwater reconnaissance drones they are not suitable because they are expensive and one-of-a-kind .. a. you need something massive ... For me, the scheme Ash-M-hunter, Borey-A strategist and Borey-K arsenal, in principle, will allow you to unify, simplify and increase the series, and therefore the capabilities of the fleet
              2. Barberry25
                Barberry25 17 May 2021 18: 16
                0
                Or are you talking about the Barracuda? Not the newest appl ... I repeat ... the problem is in the absence of a MASS product ... here you need to launch the Cupids in the series and mini-Boreas ..
              3. hrych
                hrych 17 May 2021 18: 28
                +1
                Titanium multipurpose 4. Of which 2 Barracudas are in reserve. 2 Condors in service on the Northern Fleet. Do not throw them away. Antei, having lost the specialization of assassins of aircraft carriers, will now acquire zircons. 7 pieces are not to be thrown away. And of course to build Ash. This is the best multipurpose boat, slightly, but surpasses the enemy. And Borey will obviously yield to them because of the hump, albeit very small.
              4. Barberry25
                Barberry25 17 May 2021 18: 34
                +1
                the price and terms .. in fact either 1 Ash or 2 Borea-K. And I repeat .. the task is not to chase an enemy nuclear submarine, but to be a threat of strike .. + Let's say that we have problems in some country .. there are no aircraft carriers, but you need to subtly hint and ensure the presence .. in that case the Americans send Ohio, but we? and the construction of, say, 4 arsenals will allow you to calmly solve the problem ... and if anything, convert them back into strategists at the ship repair facility faster than building new ones ..
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 17 May 2021 18: 58
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        We will certainly beat the Americans with the SBS in squares.

        Some of the navies here don't get it at all.
        I completely agree with your conclusions on Borey - especially with this statement:
        Quote: hrych
        Its main task is to be in the inaccessible zone, being able to reach any point on the planet. And why should he do smaller and more dangerous tasks,
  2. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 17 May 2021 19: 45
    0
    "You can't harness a horse and a quivering doe in one cart ..." (c)
    Quote: hrych
    Ash has an acoustic system in the bow compartment, so he sees (hears) further. Zircons are sharpened for it. Borey is the fastest SSBN, it is slightly inferior in speed to multipurpose aircraft, which does not allow the latter to intercept it.

    1. At 885, the SAC antennas are spaced along the entire hull (bow, on the VU fence, conformal along the sides and there is also a GPBA ...
    2. We do not know yet, maybe 2M39 and under TA 533 are also sharpened ... and not only under UKSK, if they will be without TPK ...
    3. For the 955s, the task was not to "chase" other submarines. And from the torpedo "a rare bird will fly to the middle of the Dnieper" (c) laughing
    Quote: hrych
    And the anti-ship missile system, with flying into the plane, is pampering against third countries. We will certainly beat the Americans with the SBS in the squares.

    Hrych, I certainly do not claim the laurels of "new tactics", but this is a new vision of the problem of combating NK ... should be patented, otherwise the hour is uneven, they can steal your Grina!
    Quote: hrych
    Borei is good, but inferior to Ash and enemy multipurpose vehicles in speed.
    So for him speed is not the main criterion of efficiency! He's not an Oryol trotter, but APRK SN ... however! laughing
    Quote: hrych
    that Ash, that Borey, in fact, cut Pike-B with inserted missile compartments.
    Apparently that is why they have project numbers - 885 and 955, and not 971 ... But this is a direct oversight of "classifiers" and designers ...
    Quote: Barberry25
    This is the best multipurpose boat (we are talking about the 885 project), slightly, but superior to the enemy. And Borey will obviously yield to them because of the hump, albeit very small.
    Poor Borik ... again he didn't make a face! Humpback, you say? And there - in the Kalashny row !!!! (This is the level of analysis of the combat qualities and performance characteristics of the strategic carriers of our MSNW!)
    In short - we got up to the mice! And apparently this is not the limit ...
    But.
    1. hrych
      hrych 17 May 2021 20: 00
      +2
      Is the 2M39 Poseidon type? Firstly, the so-called concept of "aircraft carrier killers" in the form of Tu22 with X-22 and Antey with Granite, of course, relied on a nuclear SBS. And a powerful one. Granite is semi-megatonic, and X-22 is megatonic. Jumping out from the horizon in front of the target, these guys were immediately blown up. Rather, they should have been undermined. And then, the mother - the blast wave itself will tear apart any trough, a group of troughs. And why in the nomenclature of warheads Granite and X-22 SBCH? To jam the fish? I was the first to come up with AUG to cover? And land mines, for testing, for local wars, which do not envisage a clash between the USSR and the USA. Or is it not so? An example in the studio? Do not propose an intervention of the twenties.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 May 2021 21: 03
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        Is the 2M39 Poseidon type?

        Sorry, "described" repeat ! Of course - 3M22 !!! yes
        (And there is a hole in the old woman! laughing )
  • ccsr
    ccsr 17 May 2021 13: 46
    +2
    Quote: bayard
    And the construction of "Boreyev-A", which costs the cost of the modern frigate 22350, even purely for economic reasons, seems to be the most optimal.

    I assume that the issue here is not so much in terms of cost as in changing the views of the top military leadership on our strategic nuclear forces. As I have said for a long time, it is the operational capabilities of the Boreyevs that play a decisive role in extending the series, if, of course, it takes place. So structural changes in the fleet will take place in favor of nuclear submarines, no matter how regretted our fans of aircraft carriers and missile cruisers.
    1. bayard
      bayard 17 May 2021 14: 00
      +2
      SSBNs alone cannot solve all the problems - their targets can only be stationary objects on enemy territory and their bases abroad, but no one canceled the tasks of combating enemy fleets and their submarines, but for this, both surface forces and naval aviation are needed in the entire range (a special role and need for aviation submarines), and MAPLs in sufficient numbers, and already surface forces for combat stability need high-quality air cover, operational reconnaissance and target designation for long-range anti-ship missiles.
      But today we have a big shortfall in strategic delivery vehicles, even within the framework of the START-3 treaty, which apparently they want to make up for at the expense of Boreyev-A and Bulava. Moreover, all Dolphins will be written off within 10-15 years.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 17 May 2021 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: bayard
        But today we have a big shortfall in strategic delivery,

        That is why it is necessary first of all to deal with SSBNs, and everything else is naval according to the residual principle.
        But this is not even the point, but the fact that the entire surface fleet and aviation of the Navy do not have the ability to hide from detection by modern reconnaissance means, but submarines have a chance to be undetected at a decisive moment. Therefore, it is better to have more nuclear submarines on alert than the developed infrastructure of the fleet, which will be destroyed in the first 30 minutes during an exchange of nuclear strikes.
        I will not hide, even in Soviet times, smart people in our army knew that as long as there was combat duty of our strategic nuclear forces, we would not see any real tank battles, because with such forces, no one could oppose us with anything. So they played cards on the FKSHU in the districts and groups of troops, although many senior officers did not believe in this nonsense, realizing that it would not come to this even in Europe.
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 May 2021 19: 13
          +1
          Quote: ccsr
          That is why it is necessary first of all to deal with SSBNs, and everything else is naval according to the residual principle.

          So it seems about that and the article. The Boreyev series are going to continue. Only the surface forces of the Fleet, as well as the base anti-submarine aviation, will have to ensure their safe deployment. And the SSBNs in the combat deployment areas need MAPLs, which are almost gone and new projects are not being developed.
          "Ash" is something completely different.
          This is the SSGN.
          Such will be sent to enemy shores and bases.
          And the enemy's anti-submarine aircraft should be dispersed with something. And preferably not with the basic aviation, because it will have time in case of WHAT, only ... to take revenge ... But not to save in any way.
          That is why "Kuznetsov" is being repaired. But one such AV air defense / PLO will not be enough for us - purely due to the impossibility of its constant presence at sea.
          So the strategic nuclear forces are very important, but they themselves need protection. And the tasks facing our Fleet and the Armed Forces as a whole are not only in a retaliatory strike against the aggressor. And the Syrian company is a witness to this. Remember how we tried to define the projection of power with the support of Venezuela ... and how difficult it was to do without the Navy.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 17 May 2021 20: 34
          +1
          Quote: ccsr
          So they played cards on the FKSHU in the districts and groups of troops, although many senior officers did not believe in this nonsense, realizing that it would not come to this even in Europe.

          - FKSHU -? You probably meant with KSHU ...
          - Districts and GV played in the General Staff of the Armed Forces ... "in a" narrow circle of limited persons "- 5-6 people ... together with the commander ...
          - At the same time, senior officers did not even doubt the pace of the offensive and the tasks in terms of time and boundaries of their solution ...
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 18 May 2021 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            - FKSHU -? You probably meant with KSHU ...

            Front-line command and staff exercises or games - twice a year, at least on-site or in places of permanent deployment.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            - Districts and GV played in the General Staff of the Armed Forces ... "in a narrow circle of limited persons" - 5-6 people ... together with the commander ..

            I don't know how they could play in the General Staff, especially since there were enough of their exercises in the General Staff to seriously deal with district problems. Considering the number of districts, one can imagine what kind of a stream of such exercises would be required to be carried out - the forces and means and the GOU would not be enough for this.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            - At the same time, senior officers did not even doubt the pace of the offensive and the tasks in terms of time and boundaries of their solution ...

            Of course, they did not doubt, only no one saw the point of capturing the desert contaminated territory, where epidemics raged after the exchange of nuclear strikes. The very meaning of the conduct of hostilities was lost in this situation - many already understood this then.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 17 May 2021 11: 10
    -3
    - this is a quiet uzas - everyone is in submariners - there is no AB and will not be ..........................
    when. when?
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 17 May 2021 13: 42
    -2
    Quote: Torins
    Good news!


    It is bad news...
    Our SSBNs are the most vulnerable component of the nuclear triad.
    There is no systemic protection.
    There are no PLO aircraft, no ships to protect the exits from the bases, and the areas where the base station can be carried.
    An increase in the number of SSBNs, and the number of missiles carried on them, accordingly automatically reduces the number of silo and ground-based missiles in the Strategic Missile Forces.
    Which are much more protected systemically, but are also located in the depths of our territory.
    And they have a chance to retaliate, even after the start of a preemptive strike by the Americans.
    So the news is essentially from the category of "treacherous" ...
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 17 May 2021 19: 04
      +1
      Quote: SovAr238A
      An increase in the number of SSBNs, and the number of missiles carried on them, accordingly automatically reduces the number of silo and ground-based missiles in the Strategic Missile Forces.

      Just do not speculate on this, forgetting that the flight time with SSBNs can be half as much as with our stationary silos. And this will be a decisive factor in favor of the Premier League for the foreseeable future. Or do you completely ignore this element of operational use, hoping that the Americans will not deal with missile defense systems - this is a naive assumption.
  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 17 May 2021 08: 49
    -7
    The continuation of the series does not contradict common sense and even the pseudoscientific occultism of numerology. But obscurantists from the Klim-Tim sect may have a special opinion!))) good
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 17 May 2021 09: 02
      +3
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      Continuation of the series does not contradict common sense

      Mattresses always have a series of devil knows how many pieces ...
      So that everything is correct.
    2. bayard
      bayard 17 May 2021 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      But obscurantists from the Klim-Tim sect may have a special opinion!))

      As far as I know, both Klimov and Timokhin, being themselves submariners in the past, have always defended the development and expansion of the NSNF. And in the current military-political situation, the development of those types of strategic weapons that we can build up with the least cost is most preferable.
      "Borei" are mass-produced, the cost of such an SSBN is about 550 million dollars. , technologies have been worked out. So they need to be increased. Judging by the number of strategic delivery vehicles, the Russian Federation can lay 8 more such SSBNs.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 17 May 2021 11: 44
        +2
        Judging by the number of strategic delivery vehicles, the Russian Federation can lay 8 more such SSBNs.

        The basing issue must first be resolved.
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 May 2021 12: 06
          0
          I think that all new SSBNs will be based on the Northern Fleet. There and maybe in the old days it was based. In order to be based on Kamchatka, you first need to build a Pacific Fleet. Ensure proper security of the bases and high-quality maintenance of SSBN data in these databases.
          Kamchatka does not meet these requirements today, so it is wiser to leave the MPS and SSGNs there - both new construction and after repair / modernization. And the SSBNs available there may be relocated to the Northern Fleet in the short term, where the service is two heads higher, and the safety is better provided by far. I think not forever, but until the Pacific Fleet is brought into proper condition.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 17 May 2021 13: 15
            +2
            I think that all new SSBNs will be based on the Northern Fleet. There and maybe in the old days it was based.

            The INF Treaty is gone, however.
            And the states of the BR with a glider at 2700 km are developing ...
            1. bayard
              bayard 17 May 2021 13: 50
              +1
              To do this, it is necessary that we have something similar to appear in service. And if we have CDs, then there is no MRBM yet. Hopefully so far.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 17 May 2021 20: 55
              0
              Quote: Alex777
              The INF Treaty is gone, however.

              And what does the INF Treaty have to do with it? If APRK SN pass according to the START nomenclature!
              Quote: Alex777
              And the states of the BR with a glider at 2700 km are developing ...

              However, they are trying to catch up with us ... but something "catching up" does not work ... Our dermocratists have not sold them the know-how yet ... the "KGB" put a paw on them ... But there were attempts ... AHA.
              Quote: bayard
              if we have CDs, then there is no MRBM yet.

              Ams, unlike European "partners", also thought so, miserable ... bully
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 17 May 2021 21: 02
                0
                And what does the INF Treaty have to do with it? If APRK SN pass according to the START nomenclature!

                Despite the fact that in those days, when we had a lot of APRKSN based in the North, NATO did not have MRBMs.
                And they could not threaten the naval bases in the North.
                Now the States are developing such missiles and it looks like the States will deploy them in Europe.
                With all the ensuing consequences for APRKSN.
                However, they are trying to catch up with us ... but something "catching up" does not work ..

                The longer they catch up, the better.
                But you will not claim that they will never catch up? wink
                So far, the arms race is financially weakening the United States. Until.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 17 May 2021 21: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Alex777
                  when we had a lot of APRKSN based in the North, NATO did not have MRBMs.
                  And they could not threaten the naval bases in the North.

                  Colleague! The bases of the Northern Fleet were in the tasks of the SSBNs of small Britain ...
                  But the MRBM in Europe is about the CER and the goals at the CE theater.
                  These bastards have everything according to their "roles" and for a long time ... We covered the bases of the Northern Fleet of ours and S-400, the Angles and the Saxons counted - and the united kingdom increased the number of SBPs on carriers by 40% ...
                  So ...
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 17 May 2021 21: 19
                    -1
                    We covered the bases of the Northern Fleet of ours and S-400, the Angles and the Saxons calculated - and the united kingdom increased the number of SBPs on carriers by 40% ...
                    So ...

                    So it is necessary to put the S-500 on duty. wink
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 17 May 2021 21: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: Alex777
                      So it is necessary to put the S-500 on duty.

                      Prometheus is planned for the Central Economic District and the capital ... And only then for other industrial and economic centers of the country ... And the naval base and the S-400 can cover ... The warheads do not have time to accelerate from D to 5000 km to 20M ... Therefore, 400 - they can still work on them ...
                      AHA.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 17 May 2021 13: 49
        +4
        Quote: bayard
        both Klimov and Timokhin, being themselves submariners in the past

        There is no doubt about the submariner Klimov-Mina, but the fact that Timokhin became a "submariner" is a discovery for me - in my opinion, something does not coincide here.
        1. bayard
          bayard 17 May 2021 14: 09
          +2
          In one of his last articles, he wrote that he was an officer in the combat command of an anti-aircraft division. It seems like at the Pacific Fleet. I remember from personal correspondence that he is well acquainted with the Pacific theater of operations and the issues of the covert deployment of MAPL / SSGN from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk through the straits of the Kuril ridge. It was by no means a dilettante's syllable.
          Another thing is that he had never talked about his maritime past before.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 17 May 2021 18: 41
            0
            Quote: bayard
            Another thing is that he had never talked about his maritime past before.

            Most likely, he did not have it - usually those who served for many years immediately see who served, and who, except for the urgent, has nothing behind them. Timokhin may have served, but most likely in the Ukrainian army - this was noticed by some authors.
            1. bayard
              bayard 17 May 2021 18: 54
              +1
              Quote: ccsr
              Timokhin may have served, but most likely in the Ukrainian army - this was noticed by some authors.

              The Ukrainian army did not have an anti-aircraft division. request
              It is unlikely that a person will write this about himself, and not in a commentary, but in an article. But he served, most likely not too long.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 17 May 2021 19: 19
                0
                Quote: bayard
                The Ukrainian army did not have an anti-aircraft division.

                They even had space troops after the collapse of the USSR, so the naval aviation had something in Saki, as far as I remember.
                By the way, the anti-aircraft specialty is far from being a submariner - something does not fit.
                Quote: bayard
                But he served, most likely not too long.

                This may be, though it is not clear in what position. But this experience does not correspond to his ambitious conclusions in his own articles - they are too biased and often simply distort the essence of naval problems. At least I noticed this a long time ago - populism strongly reeks of them ...
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 17 May 2021 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: Scharnhorst
      The continuation of the series does not contradict common sense and even the pseudoscientific occultism of numerology. But obscurantists from the Klim-Tim sect may have a special opinion!))) good


      In my opinion, it contradicts.
      specifically on the issues of ensuring the security of strategic nuclear forces.
  • Lord_Bran
    Lord_Bran 17 May 2021 09: 02
    +1
    Good thing, you have to take it. The bigger, the better.
    1. For example
      For example 17 May 2021 09: 25
      +2
      Quote: Lord_Bran
      Good thing, we must take ...


      I will throw off the card number.
      Transfer the loot. wink

      Shipment in a couple of years. laughing
    2. prior
      prior 17 May 2021 10: 07
      +4
      "And also such a thing as combinatorics is important ...."



      It is not enough to have a lot of "Boreis", it is also important to keep them in a combat ready state.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 17 May 2021 11: 46
        +1
        That's it.
        And it is important to be able to take them out to sea unnoticed. hi
        1. Comrade I
          Comrade I 17 May 2021 18: 17
          +1
          Yes, at least just safe.
  • wolf46
    wolf46 17 May 2021 09: 03
    +1
    The need to bookmark the 11th and 12th buildings just shouts, and in the next year or two! Until the end of the 20s, on the one hand, SSBNs of previous generations will have to be written off, and on the other hand, the Borei will have to be sent for repairs.
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 17 May 2021 09: 08
    .
    limitations of the START-3 Treaty, which determines the number of warheads and launchers.
    ..... it is necessary to build, to rent out to India or Iran. and ideally the DPRK .because suddenly, if urgently needed, they will be nearby
    1. For example
      For example 17 May 2021 09: 28
      +5
      Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
      ..... it is necessary to build, lease to India or Iran ...


      Offer it to Aeroflot.

      Urgent and non-returnable delivery of vipperson to the dreamland.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 17 May 2021 15: 08
      +1
      The missile technology nonproliferation treaty applies to intercontinental Bulava, however. wink
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 May 2021 10: 01
    +1
    Maybe this is how it should be, it is better to see from above.
  • dranthqu
    dranthqu 17 May 2021 10: 05
    +6
    I wonder where the news about the creation of the accompanying forces got lost? It seems that to ensure the operation of these boats, 1,5-2 times more PLATs (or multipurpose nuclear submarines) are needed, as well as lot surface forces of PLO, at the rate of at least 3-4 PLO ships per SSBN. If Ash trees are still under construction, albeit in insufficient quantities, then there is no rumor or spirit about the PLO.
  • SVD68
    SVD68 17 May 2021 11: 18
    0
    If we also take into account the news that the Boreis will go to the Northern Fleet, it seems that they seriously thought about reducing the vulnerability of the NSNF. And the way to increase the number of SSBNs on alert is the only undeniable one.
  • Glagol1
    Glagol1 17 May 2021 20: 04
    -2
    How much can Borei-A cost?
    100 billion boat + 20 billion ammunition + 5 billion tests, training, and more. In total, let's say 125 billion per circle. How to pull it?
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 18 May 2021 14: 04
    -1
    definitely, good news, boreas can be boldly made 4 more pieces in class A and it is possible to make 3-4 pieces for an arsenal of cruise missiles, 100-150 missiles each)
    and you can slowly withdraw from the turnover of old strategists in order to reduce the mess according to the models)