China became the third country to deliver the rover to the surface of the Red Planet

The first Chinese mission to explore Mars is being successfully implemented, China became the third country that managed to deliver an automatic station to the surface of the Red Planet.

The landing of the descent module with the Zhuzhong rover (the god of fire) was made on May 15, 2021. Departure of the module from orbit and reaching the surface of Mars took eight minutes, the device landed in the area of ​​the Utopia plain in the northern hemisphere of the planet. A probe remained in orbit, which will perform communication functions and transmit data received both from the surface and from orbit to the Earth.

The rover (rover) delivered to the surface, according to the plans of Chinese scientists, will have to work on Mars for about three months, collecting data on the soil, atmosphere and magnetic fields of the planet. "Chzhuzhong" is a six-wheeled vehicle weighing 240 kg, capable of moving on the surface at a speed of 200 meters per hour. It is equipped with four solar panels and is capable of hibernating in adverse weather conditions.

The Chinese probe for exploration of Mars "Tianwen-1" ("Questions to the sky") was sent to Mars on July 23, 2020. The total weight of "Tianwen-1" reaches 5 tons, of which 1,3 tons are the weight of the descent module, 3,7, XNUMX tons is the weight of the orbital station, which is in the orbit of the planet.

As stated, the main goal of the mission is to search for possible signs of life on Mars. In addition, Chinese scientists want to understand whether conditions on this planet can change in the future so that it becomes suitable for human life.

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[tralflot1832]

Both on, Paris - Dakar was drawn in Martian style. On whom are we bet? Well done Chinese !!!

[Finches]

That's what copy life-giving does! Well done Chinese, but it's hard to imagine that the first attempt of mankind to reach the Red Planet took place on October 10, 1960 in the USSR! Then, due to the accident of the launch vehicle, the launch ended in failure, nevertheless, an automatic interplanetary station had already been designed and sent into flight! Already 60 years have passed, according to the idea of ​​the planets of Alpha-Centauri, they should land, but we still cannot really reach the Moon, but humanity is breathlessly waiting for the release of the 12th iPhone ...

[donavi49]

Well, by the way, they have already broken the USSR record for sustained communication and control of a ground station. Soyuz could only land Mars-3 and the connection was maintained for 14-20 seconds. The Chinese started the second day.

[Murmur 55]

And when the USSR sent its rover ??? Since then, technology has gone ahead. Have compared.

[donavi49]

Well, this is not an indicator. The American Vikings (first 6 years) worked during the same years.

[Mikhalych]

The American Vikings (first 6 years) worked during the same years.

Or maybe they also worked like they flew to the moon?

[Tatyana]

Quote: donavi49

Well, by the way, they have already broken the USSR record for sustained communication and control of a ground station. Soyuz could only land Mars-3 and the connection was maintained for 14-20 seconds. The Chinese started the second day.

Communication with the Soviet rover was interrupted due to the dusty surface of the vehicle with Martian sand, raised by the Martian winds and quickly dusting the surface of the rover.

Chinese scientists - explorers of Mars - took into account this experience of Soviet researchers and designers and made a successful attempt to dump sand from their Chinese rover.
therefore The Chinese rover periodically shakes off the Martian dust - well, like a dog shakes off water after a swim. It is due to this that the connection with the Chinese rover is maintained for a long time.

[Per se.]

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raised by Martian winds and quickly dusting the surface of the rover.

It is interesting how the Yankees "shaken off the dust", considering what kind of sandstorms on Mars. The force of gravity is less, the atmosphere is more rarefied, which is why tons of sand and dust are even more dangerous, since the sand and dust mass rises above the surface more easily and does not encounter much resistance from the rarefied air. If the atmospheric air is discharged, this does not mean that the sand will be as discharged, as tons of sand and dust rise in hurricanes that often cover the entire planet and rage up to 50-100 Earth days at a speed of up to 100 m / s.

It's amazing what reliable technology NASA uses, the Saturn-5s with the miracle F-1 engines were previously unsurpassed in reliability and payload capacity.
Probably, the miracle rovers that can ply Mars for ten years, too, for a long time, no one can surpass, as with the Moon, at least another 50 years.

[vadim dok]

Of course you're right! The Americans DO NOT have a single rover, everything was filmed in Hollywood + cartoons!

[Victor Tsenin]

There is, of course, such an opinion, but the "scam" has not been proven)

[Blackmokona]

Sent the Mars rover to the USSR. But unsuccessful.

M-71 - The M-71 series consisted of three AMS designed to study Mars both from the ISM orbit and directly on the planet's surface. For this purpose, the Mars-2 and Mars-3 AMS included both an artificial satellite - an orbital vehicle (OA) and an automatic Mars station, whose soft landing on the planet's surface was carried out by a descent vehicle (SA). The automatic Mars station was equipped with the world's first Mars rover PrOP-M. AMC M-71C did not have a descent vehicle, it was supposed to become an artificial satellite of Mars. AMS M-71S was not launched into the interplanetary trajectory and was named as the satellite "Cosmos-419". Mars-2, Mars-3 were launched on May 19 and 28, 1971. The Mars-2 and Mars-3 orbiters operated for more than eight months and successfully completed most of the flight program for artificial satellites of Mars (except for photography). The soft landing of the Mars-2 descent vehicle ended unsuccessfully, the Mars-3 descent vehicle made a soft landing, but transmission from the automatic Martian station stopped after 14,5 seconds.

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Well, by the way, they have already broken the USSR record for sustained communication and control of a ground station. Soyuz could only land Mars-3 and the connection was maintained for 14-20 seconds. The Chinese started the second day.

We had it back in 1971, when communication technology from such a distance was only in its infancy, and they did not know about Martian dust storms at all. Mars-3 hit just one of them immediately after landing.

The Chinese are now using the knowledge of the pioneers.

[Mountain shooter]

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That's what copy life-giving does! Well done Chinese,

Well done, you won’t say anything. And sat down and drove off. And they solve the problems themselves ...

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That's what copy life-giving does! Well done Chinese,

Well done, you won’t say anything. And sat down and drove off. And they solve the problems themselves ...

haven't gone yet ... even while there is no photo from the landing site ... we are waiting

[Pandiurin]

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That's what copy life-giving does! Well done Chinese,

Well done, you won’t say anything. And sat down and drove off. And they solve the problems themselves ...

haven't gone yet ... even while there is no photo from the landing site ... we are waiting

There were photos of the surface of Mars at the time of landing. It can be stated that the Chinese have huge problems) The photos looked whitish, low-contrast. Everyone knows that Mars is a "red" planet, while in the first photos there was something more like the moon, in terms of colors. Until the normal light filters pick up such photos, you can not show anyone to anyone.

Looking forward to.

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There were photos of the surface of Mars at the time of landing.

This is a photo from the orbiter.

[Ross xnumx]

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That's what copy life-giving does!

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Well, by the way, they have already broken the USSR record for sustained communication and control of a ground station.

Today I found a video about how the Chinese fought the deserts in the north. And in Russia, with the hands of Rogozin, they are fighting space exploration ... I don’t want to talk about the taiga in Siberia.
Sometimes it becomes scary what kind of people and with what interests are ruling Russia. Although, half of Russia was sold ... It was necessary to come to a conclusion that the hydroelectric power plants of Siberia began to belong to foreign "investors" ...
And respect to China!

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It was necessary to sink that the hydroelectric power station of Siberia

This must be the same - Rogozin has already sold the hydroelectric power station of Siberia! ...

[Stepan S]

Hydroelectric power plants in Siberia began to belong to foreign "investors"

It seems that all large hydroelectric power plants in Russia are controlled by PJSC RusHydro, 60% of which is owned by the state. Which hydroelectric power plants in Siberia are "foreign"?

[Ross xnumx]

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Which hydroelectric power plants of Siberia are "foreign"

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[Cosm22]

What other copying is there?
What did China "copy" in this case?
Failure of the USSR with Mars-3?
Or Russia's failure with Phobos-Grunt, when AMC could not even get out of LEO?
Or Curiosity / Perseverance technologies? So even China's landing algorithms are completely different. The Tianwen-1 probe consists of three parts - an orbiter, a lander, and a rover. The landing module under the protection of a heat shield at an altitude of 70 km is separated from the orbiter under the CNSA program. NASA did not have an orbiter, landing was carried out according to the parachute-motive-sky crane scheme.
In general, I am touched by the constant reminders of jingoistic patriots about Chinese copying. Especially in Russia. What has China supposedly copied from us?
Could it be Russia, not China, that launched the world's first quantum satellite?
Or has you already put the base module of your OS into orbit?
Or made a soft landing on the far side of the moon? And not Chinese, but Russian lunar rovers are crawling on the moon?
Or has it carried out an automatic docking and undocking of a spacecraft in a circumlunar orbit, unprecedented in the history of world cosmonautics, and delivered the lunar soil to Earth?
Or does Russia have an operating hydrogen engine at the LV stage?
Or at least a heavy work carrier, like China? Also, it seems not ... "Proton" is not produced, "Angara" on LKI. Only the average Soyuz-2 flies.
So what and from whom is China "copying"?

[Finches]

Well, there should always be a lawyer ...

[dima314]

I agree completely! All that has been copied by China is at the initial level and for a long time. And now there is nothing to copy from Russia. The Soviet ground has been eaten away and Roscosmos is sitting on modest breads and with a miserable space industry completely without its own electronics. Russia needs to engage in near-earth purely practical projects and not be scattered about PR lunar and Mars programs. Wrong money and wrong competencies.

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What has China supposedly copied from us?

They copy everything on the sly. And we and the Americans and Europeans. This can be seen from the design of their spacecraft, since they buy space technologies or stupidly steal whenever possible. For example, they repeated our Sokol KV-2 rescue suit up to the color of the boots:

Quote: Cosm22

Or has you already put the base module of your OS into orbit?

The ISS Zvezda service module was launched in 2000. Since then, it has been used by Russia for 21 years.

Quote: Cosm22

And not Chinese, but Russian lunar rovers are crawling on the moon?

The lunar rovers were crawling Soviet and they were much more like lunar rovers than the Chinese.

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delivered lunar soil to Earth?

The lunar soil was delivered to Russia long ago.

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Or does Russia have an operating hydrogen engine at the LV stage?

Russia previously produced a complete 12KRB hydrogen stage for India, then transferred these technologies to them for its own production.

Today Russia has a working hydrogen engine. It is called RD-0146. And the development of a new heavy-class oxygen-hydrogen unit for the "Angara" rocket is being carried out successfully, and will soon be done, this year, tests of another RB on this rocket.

As for the Chinese engine, Soviet technologies are used there.

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Or at least a heavy work carrier, like China's?

Russia has two heavy launch vehicles - Proton-M and Angara-A5. According to the plan, the first has two operational launches this year, the second, as part of its tests, has one.

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So what and from whom is China "copying"?

On a large scale - almost everything. There are differences in detail.

[voyaka uh]

"On a large scale - almost everything. There are differences on small things" ///
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You just don't want to admit that China copies with better quality than
from the original. Much faster and more efficiently assembles rockets and vehicles and sends them into space.
Their level of electronics is higher than in Russia. Accordingly, the devices work
better and longer.

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You just don't want to admit that China copies with better quality than the original.

Wrong. Copy quality is worse. For example, in the copy of the DOS station - the Chinese module Tiangong, the floor was made of cloth. But this is of course - by the way.

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Much faster and more efficiently assembles rockets and vehicles and sends them into space.

Rockets are also assembled here quickly and efficiently. As for the spacecraft, you have forgotten that our missile defense system is now under Western sanctions, and all new spacecraft were designed taking into account the western element base and now they are redesigning and import substitution. As an example, the new-generation navigation satellites Glonass-K will be replaced by Glonass-K2, taking into account the domestic EEE, starting with the third device of the series.

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Their level of electronics is higher than in Russia. Accordingly, the devices work
better and longer.

Do not get off with general phrases - name our devices similar to theirs that work worse. Or is it just idle chatter.

[aszzz888]

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... Do not get off with general phrases - name our devices similar to theirs, which work worse. laughing Or is it just idle chatter.

Here it was, and was blown away. Throw, troll and into the reeds. And the main thing is just to get rid of Russia.

[SSR]

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You just don't want to admit that China copies with better quality than
from the original. Much faster and more efficiently assembles rockets and vehicles and sends them into space.
Their level of electronics is higher than in Russia.

In fact, it is here that many go from one extreme to another.
A. At the official level, it was recognized that the Russian Federation is helping China with space and the Chinese are helping the Russian Federation with electronics.
B. The Chinese do not need to copy and maintain, or create a new ISS, so they are engaged in pinpoint space exploration projects.
Q. The Russian Federation does not have so much money to experiment as Musk does and does not have the strength, and again money that would be more actively pumped into lunar and Mars programs without prejudice to current projects.
PS.
Finish with the ISS, and use funds and forces for new projects. It makes no sense to study and spend energy on what has long been studied in space by Russia and the United States, so the Indians and Chinese can focus on new research and tasks.

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A. At the official level, it was recognized that the Russian Federation is helping China with space and the Chinese are helping the Russian Federation with electronics.

The space electronics used in the rocket spacecraft are mainly produced by the Russian Space Systems company.

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B. The Chinese do not need to copy and maintain, or create a new ISS, so they are engaged in pinpoint space exploration projects.

They were denied access to the ISS project. Therefore, they are forced to make their own station, which is also already called international. It is unclear with whom.

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Q. The Russian Federation does not have so much money to experiment as Musk does and does not have the strength, and again money that would be more actively pumped into lunar and Mars programs without prejudice to current projects.

Russia is "experimenting" using a unique domestic bench base. The correctness of this approach is confirmed by the accident-free launches of our new space rockets.

For example, the cycle of ground fire tests of the new RD-171MV engine for the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle has only recently been completed:

Or testing the landing gear of the lunar stations:

Dealing with explosions "in public" is the last century.

[SSR]

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Space electronics used in spacecraft

It is generally recognized as one of the best in the space industry.

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They were denied access to the ISS project.

The United States even blocked the sale of Superjets, but the Chinese are doing the medium-haul in the Alliance with the Russian Federation.

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Russia is "experimenting" using a unique domestic bench base.

Moreover, this area is actively developing.
PS.
A lot of things are happening, but the same comrades that are constantly thrown onto the fan in the direction of the Russian Federation, bashfully keep silent that the Musk's docking station is made in Russia.
And that's just what lay on the surface.

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It is generally recognized as one of the best in the space industry.

Unfortunately, they have delays in some components.

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The United States even blocked the sale of Superjets, but the Chinese are doing the medium-haul in the Alliance with the Russian Federation.

SHFDMS or CR929 is a long-haul liner. Medium-haul - MS-21-300, MS-21-310.

A South African airline wants to order and acquire Superjets now.

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they shyly keep silent that Musk's docking station was made in Russia.
And that's just what lay on the surface.

Wrong. Part of the IDA docking adapter docked to the station was made at RSC Energia. The adapter itself is assembled in Boeing. The other part - uses the international docking station IDS, already assembled by the Americans and based on an androgyne design similar to the APAS-94, but with slightly different characteristics. Although the meter-long ring with locks remained in fact from APAS. It is to IDS that the Cru Dragon ship docks.

[Cosm22]

1. Let's not remember what and from whom Korolyov and Glushko were copied. And how did the legendary R-7 begin? It is unsportsmanlike.
2. The meaning of the word "mine", I see, is not available to the speaking manuals? The Zvezda module, if not in the know, is part of the International Space Station. Russia does not have its own OS. China already has it. At least the basic module.
3. Is it also difficult to understand the difference between the adjectives "Soviet" and "Russian"?
4. Lunar soil in small quantities was delivered to the USSR. But not to Russia.
5. One can be glad that India has a hydrogen stage. As for Russia, it is impossible to say that it has a hydrogen engine. When, at least, the stage of the Russian launch vehicle with a hydrogen engine reaches LEO, then it will be possible to continue the conversation on this topic. I have no desire to start a discussion in the style of Rogozin's "lunar bases" and listen to cheerful reports about the next "breakfasts".
6. Russia has NO heavy carriers today. Proton-M will fly only under previously signed contracts from the existing reserve. It has been discontinued. "Angara" is on the LKI (and it is not known when it will be released from them), it is incorrect to consider its launches commercial or applied.

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1. Let's not remember what and from whom Korolyov and Glushko were copied. And how did the legendary R-7 begin? It is unsportsmanlike.

Why "unsportsmanlike"? Let. Ours, and indeed the global space launch technologies, began with the restoration of German captured technologies used by those in the design of the V-2 rocket.

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2. The meaning of the word "mine", I see, is not available to the speaking manuals? The Zvezda module, if not in the know, is part of the International Space Station. Russia does not have its own OS. China already has it. At least the basic module.

All five ISS modules, which are part of the ISS RS, are manufactured in Russia, using Russian space technologies and are used in the Russian space research and experiments program. As for the "independent" space station, a decision has now been made to re-equip and withdraw the former scientific and power module for the ISS, which is now on the ZEM slipway at RSC Energia, to a retrograde high-latitude sun-synchronous orbit with an inclination of 98 °. This module will become the first module of the ROSS station, the base module of this station, also similar to the NEM, will be delivered there later - in a couple of years.

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3. Is it also difficult to understand the difference between the adjectives "Soviet" and "Russian"?

Russia is the legal successor of the USSR.

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4. Lunar soil in small quantities was delivered to the USSR. But not to Russia.

Lunar soil delivered from three different points of the Moon, from different depths and different in composition, is located at the Institute of Geochemistry of the Russian Academy of Sciences. The next step is the delivery to Earth of lunar soil in a cryogenic state from great depths, scheduled for the next half of this decade in the process of testing the lunar takeoff and landing complex for the International Lunar Space Station.

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5. One can be glad that India has a hydrogen stage. As for Russia, it is impossible to say that it has a hydrogen engine.

More than 100 tests of this engine have been carried out. In the near future, at the stand at the Research Center of the RCP, final tests of this motor will take place under the KBTK.

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When, at least, the stage of the Russian launch vehicle with a hydrogen engine reaches LEO, then it will be possible to continue the conversation on this topic.

The work is in progress. The first launch of the unit is already planned for this FKP.

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6. Russia has NO heavy carriers today. Proton-M will fly only under previously signed contracts from the existing reserve. It has been discontinued.

Russia HAS about a dozen heavy carriers "Proton-M" and launched the production of the heavy rocket "Angara-A5". The new carrier is now on the CIS in the TsiH.

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"Angara" is located on the LKI (and it is not known, the code will be released from them), it is incorrect to consider its launches as commercial or applied.

It is not true, it is known - in 2023, after the launch of six heavy vehicles and two light ones. This year, the third heavy and the first light vehicle are being prepared for launch. Both launches in the third and fourth quarters.

[Cosm22]

1. Then why constantly mention China's copying something? If the USSR was doing the same? Like Russia today in the field of electronic components in the space category, for example? Here, by the way, it is difficult for Russia to get close to the level of China, not by Senka's hat.
2. All five modules are part of the INTERNATIONAL Space Station. Don't get the meaning of what has been said? I can’t help, they begin to study Russian in the elementary grades of secondary school.
There is no NEM on the ZEM slipway. There is just a metal cylinder. Just part of the first stage of the Proton launch vehicle. They didn't even bother with the case, they took the ready-made that was at hand. As for the filling of the module, it is completely absent. There is no end of work there. Perhaps it will be completed by the time the Chinese OS has already exhausted its main resource.
3. And on this basis, Russia boasts of the successes of another state? With the same success, China can consider itself the ancestor of the entire world cosmonautics after the invention of powder rockets during the Jin Dynasty.
4. Everyone is aware of the amount of lunar soil delivered by devices made in the USSR. As for Russia's prospects, the closest real one is at least more or less successfully dropping Luna-25. There is no more talk at all.
5. Should I start talking about what and with what tests are being made in the USA, China, India, Japan? The fact is that there is no hydrogen engine at any stage of any Russian launch vehicle. Point! He's not even on the overclock. What can we talk about? I don’t want to talk about the theme in the style of "do ... build ... implement ... launch ..." I got it in my teeth. China does not feed breakfast, EP, concepts, but does real things in hardware.
6. The work is in progress ... will be ... scheduled ... we will do ... The manuals are not updated?
7. Russia has NO heavy carriers today. "Proton-M" IS OUT of production, "Angara" CANNOT fly with commercial PN. For it is on the LCI.
8. When these test launches are SUCCESSFULLY realized, then there will be a conversation about a heavy carrier in Russia. Today, in fact, it is NOT.
9. Forced to use Caps Lock, tk. the usual text in Russian does not reach some people. They, like parrots, will repeat the same hackneyed and memorized disc from the manual.

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1. Then why constantly mention China's copying?

This is a fact.

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If the USSR was doing the same?

I did. And sometimes he even went overboard.

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Like Russia today in the field of electronic components in the space category, for example?

Where is this "for example"? Give an example. Or are you chatting again?

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2. All five modules are part of the INTERNATIONAL Space Station. Don't get the meaning of what has been said? I can’t help, they begin to study Russian in the elementary grades of secondary school.

We open the manual and read it for non-Russians: ISS consists of two segments - American, which includes Japanese and European modules, and Russian.
The chief directors of the project are the head of NASA and the head of Roscosmos. The ISS RS, as a unit within the station, is controlled by the TsNIIMash MCC from the town of Korolev. What is not clear to you?

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There is no NEM on the ZEM slipway. There is just a metal cylinder. Just part of the first stage of the Proton launch vehicle.

Wow, what cockroaches are crawling in your head. Three sealed housings were produced at the Progress RCC several years ago. One whole year was on the dynamics in TsNIIMash, now it is assembled into a design model of the NEM module.

The second pilot lies behind him on the slipway. You can see it in the photo.

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3. And on this basis, Russia ....

I will repeat once again - Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. This has already been stated more than once.

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4. Everyone is aware of the amount of lunar soil delivered by devices made in the USSR.

This is enough to study the composition of the lunar soil from the places where it was collected.

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As for Russia's prospects, the closest real one is at least more or less successfully dropping Luna-25.

Luna-25 is to make a soft landing where no landing station has ever landed - on the pole. To carry out a set of scientific and applied measures, including the study of the soil at the landing site. Observe lunar space weather.

The next launch on the Moon is the Luna-26 orbital station. The station is being assembled on the already worked out Navigator platform. Will be used in a joint program with China.

The rest is even reluctant to comment. Rave.

[2 Level Advisor]

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I will repeat once again - Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. This has already been stated more than once.

You see, the successor = heir, and if the pope of the Nobel laureate has a son, this does not mean that he is also a Nobel laureate automatically .. it just means that he is the successor of the Nobel laureate .. and he needs to be proud of his achievements, to get the Nobel Prize ONE , and not say that daddy = mine, that's why I'm cool ..
This is the task of Russia - to be worthy of its parent the USSR .. and to stand out for its achievements, and not another person (country) in essence, even though he is your flesh and blood .. Although, and this does not prevent you from being proud of the fact that you have such a cool dad, but the achievements are still his, not yours, whatever one may say ..

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and he needs to be proud of his achievements - to get the Nobel Prize for himself, and not to say that daddy = mine, so I'm cool ..

You did not understand the essence of my answer. More precisely, they misunderstood him in the wrong direction.

Russia DOES NOT NEED to bring soil from the Moon, as the Chinese have now done. Russia has this soil, and although it was delivered back in the days of the USSR, this soil BELONGS to Russia. As a legal successor. Is it clear now? Those. our scientists are free to use it in their research.

Another thing is soil from great depths in its original, frozen form - this is exactly the project we have in our Lunar program. Only not in the current FKP until 2025, but in the next one. The current one has three automatic stations. There should have been four - but one was moved from the 2016 sequestration.

We are consistently implementing our federal space program.

[2 Level Advisor]

well .. we cannot but agree that we do not really need it too much - since we have had it for a long time

[region58]

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They didn't even bother with the case, they took the ready-made that was at hand

At one time, the Americans also used a step from Saturn for Skylab, it turned out quite a bit, spacious.

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At one time, the Americans also used a step from Saturn for Skylab, it turned out quite a bit, spacious.

RCC "Progress" has nothing to do with the creation of "Protons".

[Disant]

6. Russia has NO heavy carriers today.

and thank God. With Energy and Buran, they got into a lot of things in their time, chasing after the Americans.
As the load appears, the heavy carrier will be twisted.
Now at least they spend money on business.
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That's when at least the stage of the Russian launch vehicle with a hydrogen engine reaches LEO, then it will be possible to continue the conversation on this topic.

this phrase is from the same category - to take on weak. The Indians brought hydrogen in the cars to the start, on Vostochny on schedule and the launch pad with communications is also suitable for the rocket. Why spur a horse? does not burn anywhere
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"Angara" is on LKI (and it is not known when it will be released from them)

all terms are announced - when and how many launches, do not mislead the rest.

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and thank God. With Energy and Buran, they got into a lot of things in their time, chasing after the Americans.

He talks about the usual heavy ones. He doesn't have them there. Those ready-made rockets that are in the workshop in Moscow and at the cosmodrome in the KIS are probably phantoms.

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Indians hydrogen in carriages was brought to the start

No, it's more fun there - in tank trucks!

[vadim dok]

If China copied anything, then the United States, which already has 2 rovers, one of which has been operating for a couple of years and a helicopter that has already completed 5 flights.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: vadim dok

If China copied anything, then the United States, which already has 2 rovers, one of which has been operating for a couple of years and a helicopter that has already completed 5 flights.

This is not a helicopter, this is a prototype for studying the possibility of flying. "flights" there, too, more specific hops resemble. It is not supposed to recharge and do many flights over time.
It's just a thing with a very limited resource and perhaps 5 "flights" is almost the entire resource.

Of course, this is important, we checked the flight capability, measured the efficiency of the propeller depending on the speed. The medium there, the discharged rotation speed is probably much higher than that of similar devices on earth.

[Esoteric]

What is Alpha - Centauri. Humanity has not yet entered space (manned astronautics, of course). Orbit is not space, space is further.

[grandfather_Kostya]

By the way, about Alpha Centauri: in 60-some year in the "Technology of Youth" issued a forecast that in 2030 the first starship will go to this address. I am all in impatience, soon they should blab out at what secret factory this starship is already being built.

[Split]

Quote: Finches

but humanity is breathlessly waiting for the release of the 12th iPhone ...

It is not necessary to class me as one of these personalities of "humanity" Personally, I'm waiting for Webb, and not some publicized piece of untranslatable pun, in which the filling costs 30% of its cost.

[TerraSandera]

"Waiting for the release of the 12th iPhone" Can't you ask a modest question? What device do you use? Life-giving copied by the Chinese from the Russians? Or Korean? Or an iPhone of a younger version? :)
Ps soon the Chinese will let us "visit" at their station, if, of course, they want to.

[iouris]

We put on red.

[dSK]

We put on "Roscosmos - Cinema". For filming the first natural cosmofilm a young beauty and a director will fly, the commander of the Soyuz will probably be a part-time operator ...

[xorek]

Well done Chinese! This is what a planned economy and concentration of a country's resources does

[Genry]

Quote: xorek

This is what a planned economy and concentration of a country's resources does

Do not forget that in China, the labor force is ten times greater than that of Russia, and this not only scales the economy, but also allows it to become self-sufficient with a huge domestic market, plus the warm climate reduces the cost of production costs.

[Serpet]

And yet, their technological chains were not destroyed.

[Cosm22]

Yes, technological chains were destroyed to some extent in the dashing 90s.
But the main thing remains - BASE!
Remained great Soviet developments and groundwork, on which we are still sitting. Enterprises remained in Khimki, Moscow, Samara, Voronezh, Perm, Omsk, Krasnoyarsk.
China did not have any of this at all at the beginning of its space journey.
When the PRC was just being formed, the USSR had already completed the EP of a two-stage missile with a range of up to 8000 km.
These were the starting conditions for China.
And what do we see today?
Only the back of the head of the Chinese astronautics going forward. Neither the fat years of oil, nor the waterfalls of petrodollars helped Russia.
And why not?
Because the goals and priorities were set incorrectly. It was necessary not to sit stupidly on the Soviet legacy, but to go further on its basis. Develop. How China does it.
And treading on the spot will never lead to success. More precisely, it did not lead. This is quite obvious.

[Disant]

Because the goals and priorities were set incorrectly.

this is very true

[Alf]

Quote: Genry

with a huge domestic market,

And what prevents the Russian leadership from developing its own domestic market? Sanctions? Or general stupidity?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Alf

And what prevents the Russian leadership from developing its own domestic market?

The people are lazy, they don't want to make money. And since it doesn’t make money, it means there is no effective demand. What is the domestic market?

[Alf]

Quote: Narak-zempo

The people are lazy, they don't want to make money.

Well, yes, well, yes ... The wrong people got caught ...

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Alf

Well, yes, well, yes ... The wrong people got caught ...

But they really don't make shit. Only for food.

[Sunstorm]

Quote: xorek

Wells are Chinese! This is what a planned economy and concentration of a country's resources does

The "Great Wall of China" was probably also built by the followers of Marx / Lenin? China is not a communist country (It doesn't matter that there is a CCP and Red flags, this is an Empire of a new format). And China clearly did not get acquainted with the planned economy and the concentration of resources in the 20th or 21st century.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Tell me, why do you need to deliver a piece of metal to Mars?

[Pechkin]

That's what the planned economy is

Quite the opposite, what is the planned economy in China of private companies such as Alibaba Group, Huawei Technologies, Xiaomi, Tencent, Gree Electric Appliances Inc, etc. The share of state-owned enterprises in the volume of industrial production is steadily declining, and the private sector outstrips the state.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

The planned economy has nothing to do with it. First, it is quite capitalist with strong elements of state planning. Secondly, space science programs around the world are sponsored by the state. Thirdly, in the United States, the economy is not at all planned, but they have the greatest successes.
The success of the Chinese lies in the fact that they competently manage budgetary funds.

[Podvodnik]

All that remains is to congratulate the Chinese comrades and wish them further success.

[donavi49]

There are no photos yet. Now it is turning around and the entire channel is crammed with telemetry commands. According to the plan, on May 22, descent from the platform. The rover itself is small, at the level of Spirit and Opportunity.

But Beck had a misfire at night. The second stage lit up and then died out. A private earth scanning apparatus with a resolution of 90 cm per pixel is lost. But the first step landed softly with parachutes and is already looking around. In general, RocketLab's plan for 2 launches per month failed.

[sergo1914]

Eh. And if we gave them Rogozin? They would have landed on Pluto by this time. And with the Rothenbergs, a colony would have been founded there. Although some may ask how Rogozin, Rotenbergs and the colony are related ...

[donavi49]

By the way, they have already included 2 Voyagers in the national program. One will fly to the heliopause with an attempt to take number 2 in speed, the second will fly to the ice giants (this will probably be the most detailed study of them, because no one is planning any more serious missions).

[sergo1914]

Quote: donavi49

By the way, they have already included 2 Voyagers in the national program. One will fly to the heliopause with an attempt to take number 2 in speed, the second will fly to the ice giants (this will probably be the most detailed study of them, because no one is planning any more serious missions).

Who are they? Rotenberg and Rogozin?

[donavi49]

Chinese. The one who will fly at a distance will have to take the achievement:
According to the project, the Chinese spacecraft will cover a distance of about 100 times the distance between the Sun and Earth by 2049, when the People's Republic of China celebrates its 100th anniversary, Wu Weiren said in a recent interview with the industry newspaper China Space News.

[A song]

When do we pour? On the world's first ship controlled by a robot Fedor

[sergo1914]

Quote: Dainis

When do we pour? On the world's first ship controlled by a robot Fedor

We've been pouring for a long time. This is how Boris Nikolayevich said, “I’m tired, I’m leaving,” and so it is. Well, the robot Fedor is already a little different from what it was before. But promises ...

[A song]

I'll send you a little Latvia:

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Dainis

I'll send you a little Latvia

And what are the achievements of Latvia, except for the red executioners ("Latvian riflemen"), SS executioners and local bandits ("forest brothers")?

[gsev]

Quote: Mikhalych

Lithuania can only fly to the train station.

You probably answered the representative of Latvia. By the way, this country can compete with Russia in the production and export of drones and ultralight aircraft. UAVs from Latvia are bought by France, the USA and Canada. I indicated buyers who have their own advanced aviation industry.

[slipped]

Quote: Dainis

When do we pour? On the world's first ship controlled by a robot Fedor

Fedor is now on a well-deserved "pension". He has successfully fulfilled his mission under the "Investigator" project. The data obtained as a result of its flight has been processed and will be used in the Teledroid project. Work on the latter has already begun.

And we are flying to Mars in 2022, as a new astronomical window opens. We have everything ready, both the rocket and the landing module. We are waiting for ESA - they are lagging behind in the production of the parachute system.

[Linxs]

Not understood. What is it like?
They immediately assure that China can only copy and cannot do anything itself.

[Lech from Android.]

What will Roscosmos say to China's achievement?

[slipped]

Quote: Lech from Android.

What will Roscosmos say to China's achievement?

Roscosmos officially congratulated China on its achievements. We have been working with China on space issues for a long time. They purchase various equipment from us. And earlier, their future instructors of taikonauts studied at the Gagarin CTC.

In addition, we have concluded an agreement with China on joint work on an international lunar station. Practical work in this direction begins after the launch of our Luna-26 orbiter, which is now in production.

[knn54]

Will be the SECOND country to deploy a robotic space exploration vehicle on Mars.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Question: why the heck? Spent millions of dollars shipping a piece of iron to Mars.

[Linxs]

Hmmm ... I hope you're kidding.
Otherwise, I will ask the question differently.
Why the heck Gagarin conquered space? Why did you spend a lot of money and risk a person's life?

[Viktor Sergeev]

I'm not kidding, just logic and reason.
Sending an astronaut to a near-earth orbit made sense, since it is easily accessible, close by, and could be used. Mars is far away, the flight to it on rockets is months. Trying to master something using rockets is a waste of resources. It would be like sending a spaceship at subluminal speed to a planet hundreds of light years away, instead of looking for other means of delivery (for example, using a wormhole).
Resources should be directed to the invention of a new way to travel in space, in order to get to Mars in a maximum of a week, plus carry huge loads. Before the invention of a new way of flying to explore Mars, it was foolish, how foolish it was to send astronauts to the moon.

[Linxs]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Mars is far away, flight to it on rockets is months

I support. Why did they start building ships and railways?
Why did you conquer the oceans with six months of travel?

They would swim on the lake and river and not get involved in these adventures. Didn't spend a lot of gold on such research.
And then for 6 months on a ship they conquered the waves and whims of the oceans and, please note, with a great probability to convey greetings to Poseidon personally. Posthumously.


Think narrowly.




By this principle, the toilet paper did not have to be invented.
Fortunately, burdocks grow and are more environmentally friendly at times. And if they do not grow, then smeared with a pen and so it will go.

[Murmur 55]

Trains and airplanes bring practical benefits, what benefits will Mars bring?

[vargo]

Study. Study of another planet for all the signs that may have once been similar to the Earth. This is a scientific interest, and this is a scientific expedition. Along the way, of course, the possibilities of using the planet for commercial purposes are being studied. While a more convenient delivery method is being created, the place where they will arrive is also being studied. Mars is just convenient for this, and more interesting.

[Murmur 55]

People discovered and overcame the seas and oceans of other continent in order to expand their possessions and possessions of their countries, and Mars will not bring us any benefit for a very long time.

[donavi49]

Amudsen and Scott risked their lives (Scott died on the way back with the entire expedition) but conquered the South Pole in 1912. And ... the first station in 45 years. Serious research in 60. But today there are under a hundred stations on the mainland, unique research is being carried out. Moreover, in all directions, from observing astronomy to capturing neutrinos, from studying the climate to studying ancient bacteria.

If we talk about Mars, then now only the concepts of how to reach Amudsen and Scott are already clear. But so far they are only preparing for this.

[Dkuznecov]

Not in the subject, but for Amundsen and Scott - I will say.
Amundsen risked nothing, he is a seasoned (to put it mildly, by the way) polar explorer.
And he carried the grocery bookmarks far ahead, and calculated everything with the number of sled dogs. Which then fed the rest of the flock. And with the diet.

And Scott contrived (who had zero point experience, zero tenths),
use motonarts (broke immediately)
ponies (their stubbornness (as if I had no idea about it)
mentioned in the diary day after day),
the British were dragging horses, and not vice versa.
Drag Scott with him Heinz sauce, cocoa (well, as without it).
I put straw in my shoes to keep my feet warm. Terror is shorter.

In addition, he increased the estimated number of members of the expedition.
As a result, there was not enough provisions, and the calculations were based on normal
consumption of calories, but in the cold a completely different expense.

But the worst thing is the ruined ambitions of the British crown,
in - the form of a laced tent with Norwegian moisture on the pole.

Without her, the on foot and exhausted Britons had some other
the chances of making it to base camp, out of spite.
But the whole diary is steeped in decadence and
ditched ambition.
I apologize in advance for the offtopic.

[region58]

Quote: DKuznecov

diary steeped in decadence

What joy, if he described the death of the expedition and his own, and he understood it. I read the book in my youth, it made a strong impression.
PS There is a version, quite convincing, that he calculated everything correctly, but the year turned out to be much colder than usual. Hence the kerosene leaks and the lack of provisions.

[Andylw]

Mars won't do us any good for a very long time

will benefit those who are now investing in learning and mastering it.
over time, these countries will colonize Mars and use its resources.
and Russia will remain on the sidelines along with third world countries and without interplanetary flight technologies

[slipped]

Quote: AndyLW

and Russia will remain on the sidelines along with third world countries and without interplanetary flight technologies

These are your fundamentally unrealizable mriyas.

This year Russia has many launches under various programs. Including the resumption of the Russian lunar program. The launch of the AMS "Luna-25" with several small spacecraft is scheduled for October.

[Disant]

with time these countries will colonize Mars and use its resources.

that's what they wrote to you - Mars won't do us any good for a very long time.
everyone has already understood and calculated everything for a long time in all corners of the world... Today's main ideologues of colonizing something are rapidly losing their audience and the ability to feed themselves financially.
let's at least study the country.
and research is, of course, very important.

[Andylw]

if all people reasoned like that, humanity would still be jumping on palm trees

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: AndyLW

will benefit those who are now investing in learning and mastering it.
over time, these countries will colonize Mars and use its resources.
and Russia will remain on the sidelines along with third world countries and without interplanetary flight technologies

Populists rush to Mars, smart ones fly to asteroids - the development of resources in an asteroid field - in the presence of ice and the availability of ore deposits in near-zero gravity, can give a quick result for processing and payback.
Mars, like most rocky planets, has only remnants of ore deposits on the surface - mining on Mars is fraught with the same difficulties as on earth - either open labor-intensive mining, or closed technologically complex.
Potentially, the development of asteroid fields will require significantly less investment in equipment (of course, when finding suitable asteroids).
For example, iron meteorites mainly consist of two iron-nickel minerals - kamazite with a nickel content of up to 7,5% and tenite with a nickel content of 27% to 65%.
Most widespread

IAB group
A significant part of iron meteorites belongs to this group, in which all structural classes are represented. Large and medium octahedrites, as well as iron meteorites rich in silicates, are especially common among the meteorites of this group, i.e. containing more or less large inclusions of various silicates chemically closely related to uinonaites, a rare group of primitive achondrites. Therefore, both groups are considered to be descended from the same parent body. Often, meteorites of the IAB group contain inclusions of bronze-colored iron sulfide troilite and black graphite grains. Not only does the presence of these rudimentary forms of carbon indicate a close relationship of the IAB group with the Carboniferous chondrites; this conclusion allows us to make the distribution of trace elements.

Group IIIAB
After group IAB, the most numerous group of iron meteorites is group IIIAB. Structurally, they belong to coarse and medium-grained octahedrites. Sometimes these meteorites contain inclusions of troilite and graphite, while silicate inclusions are extremely rare. Nevertheless, there are similarities with the Pallasites of the main group, and today it is believed that both groups descend from the same parental body.

http://www.meteoritica.ru/classification/iron-meteorites.php
Those. The most promising is the search for celestial bodies in chemical composition close to octahedrites (they consist of two metal phases - kamacite (93,1% iron, 6,7% nickel, 0,2 cobalt) and tenite (75,3% iron, 24,4 % nickel, 0,3 cobalt.

If "deposits" of such asteroid formations suitable for industrial development are found, then the principle of extraction and processing of iron ore minerals will radically change - "picking" in the upper layers of rocky planets will gradually disappear as archaism.

[Podvodnik]

And then 6 months on the boat

Half a year is the minimum. About the "boat" I agree. When I realized the size, appreciated the seaworthiness, it remained only to admire the courage and stamina of the pioneer sailors. Iron people were. On such fragile boats one on one with a huge ocean.

[Viktor Sergeev]

There is such a thing: a dead-end road. When you have built a boat, you will not rush across the ocean on it, but the flight to Mars is now from the same opera.

[Lech from Android.]

And the hell to get up from the couch to the fridge with beer?

[Murmur 55]

Far from the topic, but wildly interesting (explain if not difficult) what is the PRACTICAL value of these flights ??? It is for us mere mortals! For the state, this is prestige (albeit dubious), for scientists it is food by itself. But what if I know the climate of Mars, what is the structure of the soil, and so on?

[Linxs]

Quote: Murmur 55

But what if I know the climate of Mars, what is the structure of the soil, and so on?

What if you know the earth is round?
It's nothing.
But what if you know that there are 365 days in a year?
What do you care if you know that there are 24 hours in a day?

The sun has risen - ahead of work.
The sun went down - home.
Why did you come up with this stupid watch?
Eh Galileo, Copernicus, what have you done ... why do we need all this knowledge and so what for me personally? They don’t pay money for it, which means they don’t nafig. Need to.



Stop the planet. We must go out ... With such a mindset, it will not lead to any good ..

[Murmur 55]

You think in an interesting way a calendar, hours, minutes I need to plan my time, knowledge of the climate on earth, ideally, can a person get harvests, avoid catastrophes and other troubles, mathematics, physics, everything makes our life easier, and what does MARS have to do with it, except for show-offs like we landed on Mars so we are cooler!

[Linxs]

For some 1500-2000 years, the climate of the Earth was not interesting to anyone.
Everyone said:

- And what to me with the fact that I know the climate, the time in the other hemisphere?
Not? And exactly. Then they thought that the Earth was flat ... Why bother to think about anything if the beer is in the fridge, and the sofa with the TV is next to it.
Not this way?

[Murmur 55]

Are you suggesting to wait 1500-2000 years to benefit from flights to Mars?

[region58]

Quote: LinxS

beer in the fridge, and a sofa with a TV next to it.

[Alf]

Quote: Murmur 55

You think in an interesting way a calendar, hours, minutes I need to plan my time, knowledge of the climate on earth, ideally, can a person get harvests, avoid catastrophes and other troubles, mathematics, physics, everything makes our life easier, and what does MARS have to do with it, except for show-offs like we landed on Mars so we are cooler!

At school, in high school, we were taught the integral, differential, Ohm's law ... Tell me, why do we need it? In Magnet, this is not necessary, but I will calculate the amount on a calculator.

[rusich]

Well done Chinese. Not so long ago they began to fly into space. Already the soil from the moon was delivered, the rover was planted. And only Rogozin is interested in what he is doing. All the best practices of the USSR are used and tryndit in the internet.

[slipped]

Quote: rusich

And only Rogozin is interested in what he is doing.

Roscosmos has a routine.

July 15, i.e. in two months, it is planned to launch a heavy 20-ton module for retrofitting the ISS RS - MLM-U "Nauka". At the moment, the module has successfully passed monthly thermal vacuum tests in a pressure chamber at the cosmodrome and transferred to the slipway for installing the interior, BOT and loading it with cargo delivered to the station.

On June 30, the launch of the Progress MS-17 cargo vehicle to the ISS is planned, the spacecraft will deliver to the ISS RS, including the equipment that will be required for the new Prichal Node Module, which will fly in the fall. At the moment, the TGC is installed in the slipway and is being prepared.

And this month and next, the next commercial cluster launches from Vostochny under the OneWeb program. This month, the launch will take place on May 27 - now the Fregat upper stage is being refueled and a garland of satellites is being assembled for the adapter.

[rocket757]

China became the third country to deliver the rover to the surface of the Red Planet

Go their own way !!! They go forward.

[Mikhalych]

As stated, the main goal of the mission is to search for possible signs of life on Mars.

More likely to find a heart in a vagina * than life on Mars.
* - used a medical name so as not to be banned.

[Charlie]

And what are the first two countries

[meandr51]

Quote: Pechkin

That's what the planned economy is

Quite the opposite, what is the planned economy in China of private companies such as Alibaba Group, Huawei Technologies, Xiaomi, Tencent, Gree Electric Appliances Inc, etc. The share of state-owned enterprises in the volume of industrial production is steadily declining, and the private sector outstrips the state.

The fact that it is slightly superior does not mean the absence of a planned economy and the control of the CCP. The indicators of private companies are included in the general plan, activity is regulated by a combination of monetary and administrative methods. In the USSR, there was not capitalism, but the NEP. Under Stalin, 80% of consumer goods were made by non-state artels, which were included in the planned supply and marketing system. China has perfected the system that Khrushchev killed.

[voyaka uh]

China managed to land on Mars on the first try.
This indicates a very high level of science and engineers.
China has today:
1) unique satellites with quantum communication
2) an active lunar rover on the dark side of the moon, with a stable
radio communication.
3) space station module in orbit
4) spacecraft on Mars

[Linxs]

You are lying.
China can only copy.

[Dkuznecov]

Plusan.
On the first try, and this is not to drive across the road for a beer,
by the way.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: DKuznecov

Plusan.
On the first try, and this is not to drive across the road for a beer,
by the way.

On our technologies.
Those who sold them to the narrow-eyed are already in prison, but if they fly out, you won't catch them.

[NF68]

Again, the "backward" of China has declared itself.

[Synoid]

Well done Chinese.
In general, I'm glad for the success of everyone in this industry, maybe we'll see more apple trees on Mars.

[Disant]

even if you dream up and put the domes on the ground, the radiation will burn everything.
Mars has no magnetic field

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Disant

even if you dream up and put the domes on the ground, the radiation will burn everything.
Mars has no magnetic field

Apple trees on Mars are probably more of an allegory.
The radiation there is not so great that it would "burn" the plants.

[Disant]

The radiation there is not so great that it would "burn" the plants.

what do you think - where does the flour called regolith come from on the surface of the moon? My opinion is the consequences of cosmic bombardment of the surface by cosmic radiation. It's the same on Mars

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Disant

The radiation there is not so great that it would "burn" the plants.

what do you think - where does the flour called regolith come from on the surface of the moon? My opinion is the consequences of cosmic bombardment of the surface by cosmic radiation. It's the same on Mars

You shouldn't think in such complicated ways.
During missions to Mars, direct measurements of the level of radiation on the surface of Mars have already been repeatedly made. It turns out a bit too much for a person, but not so that it would burn out. For a tree of "apple trees", in comparison with a human, much more radiation is needed for fatality.

In terms of radiation, apple trees can bloom under a dome on Mars.
There is a more significant obstacle to this idea, as long as there is no justification for what is needed.

[Disant]

In terms of radiation, apple trees can bloom under a dome on Mars.
There is a more significant obstacle to this idea, as long as there is no justification for what is needed.

everything is interconnected, if we consider colonization, then your obstacle - "what for it is necessary" - is not an obstacle .: apple trees to eat food. People can be hidden underground, only the question will arise about food - for example, the air can be filled with some kind of nuclear reactor-outlet - even the Americans will master it, and the Russians - even more so.
There is nothing to eat, people are sitting in an underground prison, the period of stay even underground will still be limited - the magnetic field is mute. This is a radioactive desert. Death beats from space, without stopping for a second, the cosmic emitter sews through the planet.

During missions to Mars, direct measurements of the level of radiation on the surface of Mars have already been repeatedly made. It turns out a bit too much for a person, but not so much that would burn him out ..

Studies just say that ONE flight of a person back and forth to Mars - and he suffices a dose equal to the entire human life, and when flying under the load from radiation there is frequent disorientation and "cutting out" of the brain for a while.
.
That says it all - people at the current stage of development have nothing to wander around the outskirts of the solar system - only lunar rovers and satellites in orbits.

[Earthwalker]

Well, now we will wait for another song from Rogozin on the Roscosmos website as a reply

[Narak-zempo]

The main thing is not to forget who was the first.

[Alf]

Quote: Narak-zempo

The main thing is not to forget who was the first.

Have already forgotten. This year, they shouted from all the irons that they were the first to go into space, although they never said which country did it. They shouted that "Gagarin is the first man to go into space," however, the word "Soviet" was shyly omitted ...

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Mikhalych

The American Vikings (first 6 years) worked during the same years.

Or maybe they also worked like they flew to the moon?

who gave you a minus, do they honestly believe that the Anglo-Saxons flew to the moon?)))

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Narak-zempo

The main thing is not to forget who was the first. MAY MAY

Have already forgotten. This year, they shouted from all the irons that they were the first to go into space, although they never said which country did it. They shouted that "Gagarin is the first man to go into space," however, the word "Soviet" was shyly omitted ...

You are not looking at the old USSR, this is sacred, I was created there, I was born in the USSR. MAY 9 - once again confirmation - all Hero Cities were honored: Leningrad, Minsk, Odessa, Sevastopol, Kerch, Novorossiysk, Kiev, Brest, Murmansk, Smolensk, Stalingrad, Moscow, Tula,

[Alf]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

Quote: Alf

Quote: Narak-zempo

The main thing is not to forget who was the first. MAY MAY

Have already forgotten. This year, they shouted from all the irons that they were the first to go into space, although they never said which country did it. They shouted that "Gagarin is the first man to go into space," however, the word "Soviet" was shyly omitted ...

You are not looking at the old USSR, this is sacred, I was created there, I was born in the USSR. MAY 9 - once again confirmation - all Hero Cities were honored: Leningrad, Minsk, Odessa, Sevastopol, Kerch, Novorossiysk, Kiev, Brest, Murmansk, Smolensk, Stalingrad, Moscow, Tula,

First, not "You", but "You".
Secondly, my Motherland is the USSR.
Thirdly, the current government is terrified of using the term "Soviet", although it is diligently attaching itself to the achievements of the Great Power.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Alf

Quote: lvov_aleksey

Quote: Alf

Quote: Narak-zempo

The main thing is not to forget who was the first. MAY MAY

Have already forgotten. This year, they shouted from all the irons that they were the first to go into space, although they never said which country did it. They shouted that "Gagarin is the first man to go into space," however, the word "Soviet" was shyly omitted ...

You are not looking at the old USSR, this is sacred, I was created there, I was born in the USSR. MAY 9 - once again confirmation - all Hero Cities were honored: Leningrad, Minsk, Odessa, Sevastopol, Kerch, Novorossiysk, Kiev, Brest, Murmansk, Smolensk, Stalingrad, Moscow, Tula,

First, not "You", but "You".
Secondly, my Motherland is the USSR.
Thirdly, the current government is terrified of using the term "Soviet", although it is diligently attaching itself to the achievements of the Great Power.

I'm not afraid, and our government is not afraid, where are you from at all and what year?
ps May 9 was never from Putin's mouth - Russia !!!
further Russia is the successor of the USSR, all the debts and weapons, I took about the nuclear weapons. Even now we can say - yes, we are strong, we paid off debts, forgiven someone, because we are strong !!!!
I don't like it, the west is waiting for you ...

[Alf]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

I'm not afraid, and our government is not afraid,

Well, remind me, at the 21-year parade, did Putin ever mention the USSR, Stalin and the party?

Quote: lvov_aleksey

where are you from

For the gifted, I repeat, from the USSR.

Quote: lvov_aleksey

which year?

Once again for the gifted, 22.07.73/XNUMX/XNUMX.

and our government is not afraid

Not a single sane person, with the exception of kremlebots, calls this power his own.

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Alf

Quote: lvov_aleksey

I'm not afraid, and our government is not afraid,

Well, remind me, at the 21-year parade, did Putin ever mention the USSR, Stalin and the party?

Quote: lvov_aleksey

where are you from

For the gifted, I repeat, from the USSR.

Quote: lvov_aleksey

which year?

Once again for the gifted, 22.07.73/XNUMX/XNUMX.

I'm a little younger 06-09-1975

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: lvov_aleksey

Quote: Alf

Quote: lvov_aleksey

I'm not afraid, and our government is not afraid,

Well, remind me, at the 21-year parade, did Putin ever mention the USSR, Stalin and the party?

Quote: lvov_aleksey

where are you from

For the gifted, I repeat, from the USSR.

Quote: lvov_aleksey

which year?

Once again for the gifted, 22.07.73/XNUMX/XNUMX.

I'm a little younger 06-09-1975

Yes, he mentioned the Soviet Union, i.e. countries of the USSR that achieved victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote: "Countries of the Soviet Union, then transfer"
ps where did you not voice, i.e. you're not in Russia, it immediately became sad.
I will add, a video on YouTube, from 1min 50 sec. watch Putin's speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cai7p2vLOKA