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The American edition explained what the French fighters were doing in the region of the "occupied" Crimea

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The American edition explained what the French fighters were doing in the region of the "occupied" Crimea

The appearance of French fighters over the Black Sea in the region of the Crimea peninsula "occupied" by Russia is by no means accidental; Paris was conducting a secret operation in this region. This is the conclusion reached by the author of an article published in the American edition of Forbes, David Ax. He explains the emergence of the French aviation over the Black Sea.


This week, on Tuesday and Wednesday to be more precise, two French Mirage 2000D fighters were seen over the Black Sea near Crimea, accompanied by a C-135FR air tanker. Russian air defense forces twice raised their fighters to "intercept". In the first case, it was the Su-30SM, and in the second, the Su-27. Russian pilots, making sure that the French planes did not violate the borders, calmly went to their airfields, the author writes.

However, things are not what they looked, Aix argues. The thing is that containers with reconnaissance equipment were suspended under the belly of the French Mirages along with missiles. The 400-kilogram Thales Analyzer Superhétérodyne Tactique or ASTAC capsules contain sensors similar to those installed on the Gabriel reconnaissance aircraft. They allow you to detect enemy radars.

Thus, the French conducted a reconnaissance operation under the nose of the Russian air defense, using conventional fighters equipped with special equipment instead of special reconnaissance aircraft, the author of the article claims. Due to the fact that the range of combat aircraft is shorter, two Mirage 2000Ds were accompanied by a C-135FR air tanker.

The author is convinced that the French used the only way to collect information about the Russian air defense system at a time when the situation in the region remains "tense".
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 14 May 2021 12: 19
    +18
    The appearance of French fighters over the Black Sea
    What are the frogs to do here? At home, let them deal with the generals and the army in the country ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 May 2021 12: 21
      +15
      I remembered Shukshin in "They fought for the Motherland" - Doletalsi, your mother is in the grave! Doletalsi ... That's it, Sashka, roughly you need to beat them!

      Lucky for the French ... laughing
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 May 2021 13: 45
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        I remembered Shukshin in "They fought for the Motherland" - Doletalsi, your mother is in the grave! Doletalsi ... That's it, Sashka, roughly you need to beat them!

        A trifle, but nice:
    2. Anachoret
      Anachoret 14 May 2021 12: 29
      +1
      Well, this is called "confusion") when there is nothing to brag about in domestic politics, French warships and planes plow the expanses of the Black Sea basin)
      along the way, this can be considered a provocation with a target for the future) after all, the macron is already a political corpse, and his successors will have to build relations with Russia after such provocations)
      if they climb to put up and kiss passionately, the pro-Macron press will shout about the Kremlin's agents in Paris)
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      2. dimy44
        dimy44 14 May 2021 13: 35
        +7
        In your opinion, the Ministry of Defense Headquarters draws information only from the media? No, this is what we get here only what everyone can know.
      3. frruc
        frruc 14 May 2021 14: 06
        +4
        Cheshire:
        Glory to the eggs, at least someone explained to the Russian debi lamas

        "Glory to Ukraine" is from the same eggs, only a side view ??? fool What else can you hear from potheads.
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 14 May 2021 20: 15
          -3
          Yes, I see, sarcasm is not available for many ... Your comment is not at the right place, as is the definition of a pan-head. Aren't you afraid of your shadow?
    4. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 14 May 2021 13: 46
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      What are the frogs to do here? At home, let them deal with the generals and the army in the country ...

      This is called too clever themselves. The author see a master of fantasies? For this, apparently he is there (in the publication) and are kept? The French do not trust their NATO allies, in particular the United States with their RCs, RQ-4B Global Hawk 21, it turns out, where Do they care about "MIRAGES"?. In reality, this is a test of the nerves of Russia, and at the same time to show their benefits for the senior owner. That's what they try as they can.
      1. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 15 May 2021 11: 11
        0
        Why don't they trust. Most likely this is a mission within the framework of the same NATO and is planned. The reaction to French aircraft was not very aggressive, as all the same, Russia is interested in partnership with France. What could the French have found out? The entire air defense system operates in standby mode, detection lines and interception lines are all relative. Here you can deliberately underestimate the indicators.;))
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 18 May 2021 06: 09
          0
          Quote: Letun_64
          The reaction to French aircraft was not very aggressive, because

          Yes, no matter whose planes, France is not and is not a friend and not an enemy, and so ..... In case of violation of the border, they will be destroyed. Moreover, in recent years, the instruction for air defense pilots on the use of weapons during interception has become much tougher, even tougher than under the USSR. svoi-rakety-30 /
  2. slipped
    slipped 14 May 2021 12: 20
    +3
    ".... when the situation in the region remains" tense ". laughing

    Indeed, it is still only May, and there are already a lot of tourists on the beaches in Sochi. Heat.

    Here at lunchtime:

    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 14 May 2021 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: slipped
      and vacationers on the beaches in Sochi are already rampant.
      They don't seem to fly near Sochi. But according to the weather in Sochi, I can confirm it myself, just from the sea. The water in the sea is somehow layers: alternating from cold to very cold. But then in the sun ... Whisper.
      1. slipped
        slipped 14 May 2021 12: 45
        +3
        Quote: Bad_gr
        They don't seem to fly near Sochi.


        They fly. Most often, drones are located at a distance of 30-40 km from the coast.
      2. Avior
        Avior 14 May 2021 13: 21
        +8
        this is an upwelling - the raising of cold water from a depth. It is typical for the Crimea, and in Sochi it is observed.
        Locals call it nizovka.
        The temperature, even at the height of summer, quickly drops to 10-15 degrees.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 14 May 2021 15: 33
          0
          Quote: Avior
          this is an upwelling - the raising of cold water from a depth. Typical for Crimea

          We call this phenomenon a runaway. The warm upper layer of sea water is blown away by a strong north wind, and in its place cold sea water rises from below .. a kind of overturn of water layers. Let's say yesterday there was warm excellent water of 25 degrees, and today I dived and oops !!!! Ice, 15 degrees! ... Two or three days and warms up ..
          1. Avior
            Avior 14 May 2021 15: 41
            +1
            In Crimea, it was like 9 degrees in the middle of July
            The heat was incredible, and I climbed into the water and immediately got out, having drunk before and after swimming :))
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 14 May 2021 15: 50
            +1
            Quote: 30 vis
            ... and today I dived and oops !!!! Icy
            Somehow, in such a period, we sat in a company on a pebble by the sea, basking in the sun. The water was icy. A latecomer approached, to whom everyone in a crowd confirmed that the water was like fresh milk, but everyone had already bought it. He dived into the sea from the dam and jumped out so quickly that the hair on his head remained dry, although he dived upside down (it seemed like his hair stood on end).
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 14 May 2021 22: 16
              0
              Quote: Bad_gr
              that the hair on his head remained dry, although he dived upside down (there was such an impression that the hair stood on end).

              There, not only on the head, the hair stands on end ... Some places are compressed to the point of not wanting! But it rejuvenates the body!
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 May 2021 13: 59
        0
        Quote: Bad_gr
        The water in the sea is somehow layers: alternating from cold to very cold. But then in the sun ... Whisper.

        They sang ... The water is not right for them ... laughing
        I drove to Red Lake yesterday. Water: from "you can stand ankle-deep" to "let the walruses swim." I was enough to "go into the water and splash in shallow water." But two women (apparently due to the lack of something that rises to the throat) made a "swim" of 5 meters. There was also a local aborigine with a dog (a person who lives on the lake all year round is a kind of homeless person who moved from the Michurin gardens due to their demolition and the beginning of the construction of the Ice Palace). Uncle did a swim of fifty meters. After the winter ice-hole, the water in May is fresh milk for him.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 14 May 2021 14: 28
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          They sang ... The water is not right for them ...

          smile I have been swimming in the sea for 4 years all year round. Of course, if there is no storm and rain. In Sochi, the water does not drop below + 8 °. To swim, then I swim, but I would not call such a water temperature (even today's) comfortable.
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 May 2021 13: 17
      +2
      I do not want to say anything, but the shaft of vacationers in a particular photo is not visible.
      1. slipped
        slipped 14 May 2021 15: 23
        +5
        And it’s not summer either. laughing And lunch time. There are many for May.
  3. Torins
    Torins 14 May 2021 12: 23
    +1
    Bastards sad We need to fly the same flight on the border with Poland.
  4. novel66
    novel66 14 May 2021 12: 29
    +5
    everyone around is stupid, one
    David xx
    clever.....
  5. Wolf
    Wolf 14 May 2021 12: 29
    +6
    The last time the Franks, Napoleon's EU were mixed in this way, the culture remained in Paris, famous for "Fast".
    What will happen now? Maybe life will teach to write Cyrillic and Vodka replace wine? laughing
  6. Stepan S
    Stepan S 14 May 2021 12: 30
    +1
    the French used the only way to collect information about the Russian air defense system

    Their ally and member of the NATO bloc has an air defense complex similar to those in Crimea. Let them gather information there. Or is it safer to do it on our shores?
    1. frruc
      frruc 14 May 2021 16: 11
      0
      It is impossible to collect all information about the air defense system, since air defense is available both in the ground forces, and in the Russian Navy and Aerospace Forces, and all are on alert according to the schedule.
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 May 2021 12: 32
    +1
    And what could the French see with their containers?

    The location of the mobile air defense system S-400 found? ))

    To do this, you do not need to burn kerosene and drive fighters with a tanker, a ticket to the Crimea is enough.

    So it is, for the sake of prestige, to drive planes, and the Americans praised their lackeys, they say, well done, they are so strong and brave.

    I wonder why Rafali was not sent? They probably take care of the expensive parts nowadays.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 May 2021 12: 37
    0
    the French conducted a reconnaissance operation under the nose of the Russian air defense
    What brave Frenchmen are "under the nose of the Russian air defense", but without violating the border. When our strategists fly in the Atlantic Ocean and in the Alaska region in neutral airspace, we do not shout that under the nose of the American air defense. American reconnaissance planes fly there systematically, so didn't they share information with the "ally" that they had to carry out the "operation" themselves? David Ax overdid it in his laudatory ode to the French Mirages.
  9. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 14 May 2021 12: 43
    0
    This is clear from no mattress explanations. They worked as targets for the calculations of the C - 400)))
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 May 2021 13: 24
      +1
      They worked as targets for the calculations of the C - 400)))

      correctly.
      This is called "opening the air defense system."
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 14 May 2021 13: 37
        0
        if so then what for fighters? they have specialized aircraft with more sensitive reconnaissance equipment than the container. would have intercepted them exactly in the same place. and what did they reveal? mobile radars that are here today, and tomorrow where?
        French Air Force "outstanding operation" smacks of delirium wink
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 May 2021 16: 33
          +1
          it is possible that the air defense response to the appearance of combat aircraft differs from the response to the reconnaissance aircraft.
          there are mobile radars, but there are not. and mobile ones are likely to stand in equipped positions, and will not just ride like that.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 14 May 2021 18: 53
            0
            Quote: Avior
            it is possible that the air defense response to the appearance of combat aircraft differs from the response to the reconnaissance aircraft.

            yes, it seems as always the same. planes take off to intercept.
            Quote: Avior
            there are mobile radars, but there are not.

            true, only the location of the stationary has long been known and there is no point in flying for this. see how far the fighter will go and whether it can get closer than the reconnaissance plane? then what for a refueller?
            Quote: Avior
            and mobile ones are likely to stand in equipped positions, and will not just ride like that.

            true, but in peacetime the reserve positions will not fire, and in the pre-war time there is no sense in the peacetime position data.
            all the same nonsense. no matter how you look at it laughing
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 May 2021 19: 01
              0
              yes, it seems as always the same.

              Give a link that the air defense reaction to the approach of the carrier of nuclear weapons is the same, as well as to the reconnaissance. Interesting.
              then what for a refueller?

              and where did they come from?
              true, but in peacetime the reserve positions will not fire, and in the pre-war time there is no sense in the peacetime position data.

              opening an air defense system is a common procedure.
              one of the types of intelligence.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 May 2021 19: 18
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Give a link that the air defense reaction to the approach of the carrier of nuclear weapons is the same, as well as to the reconnaissance. Interesting.

                nothing interesting. every time something flies at the border, they raise planes to intercept, whether fighters, scouts, or B-52s.
                Quote: Avior
                opening an air defense system is a common procedure.
                one of the types of intelligence.

                Duc what is opened? radar on duty? so from this zero sense.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 14 May 2021 14: 59
        0
        And if they suddenly change their position?
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 May 2021 15: 44
          +1
          This is not done once, and there are not a million positions.
          In this way, both stationary positions and possible mobile ones and air defense composition in principle are revealed.
          A well-known trick.
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 14 May 2021 17: 35
        +1
        There are more suitable tools for opening an air defense system. The French were "led" by one or two radars, the rest were in the "no radiation" mode.
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 May 2021 17: 56
          +1
          Who knows. These are combat aircraft, not scouts.
          Besides, carriers of nuclear weapons.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 14 May 2021 17: 58
            +1
            But in this case, a "drying" hung nearby, so that bad thoughts would not come into my head.
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 May 2021 18: 00
              -1
              drying was so that the border would not be crossed
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 14 May 2021 20: 32
                0
                So if they crossed them, the S - 400 would have got them easily, the distance is ridiculous.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 15 May 2021 07: 07
                  -1
                  Do you know about the radio horizon?
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 15 May 2021 09: 54
                    0
                    The border follows the line of territorial waters, 12 nautical miles from the coast. At what altitude did the French fly? I don't think it's 100 meters.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 15 May 2021 09: 58
                      0
                      I do not know
                      but they could have been a hundred meters away.
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 15 May 2021 10: 02
                        0
                        Ask on this site, comrades who are either former or current pilots, what kind of pleasure is it to fly at an altitude of 100 m at a speed of 1200 km / h?)))
                      2. nks
                        nks 17 May 2021 20: 31
                        0
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        what pleasure is it to fly at an altitude of 100 m at a speed of 1200 km / h?

                        Although they flew, of course, at altitude standards precisely because they carried out RTR, and not an air defense breakthrough, apparently the pleasure is just super (and even much lower than 100m) - they love phrases :)))


                      3. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 17 May 2021 21: 45
                        -1
                        Do you want to say that the French pilots are suicides?))) These are quite wealthy people, whose main task is to quietly and calmly fly off their calendar "twenty" and leave to fly to a private company or retire, quite worthy, by French standards ))) and suicide is definitely not included in their plans)))
                      4. nks
                        nks 17 May 2021 21: 48
                        0
                        I want to say that a military pilot is generally a dangerous profession, and French pilots are, first of all, well-trained professionals. You have the wrong idea about their tasks.
                      5. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 17 May 2021 21: 54
                        -1
                        Do you know what their tasks were? Do you have any acquaintances in the command of the French Air Force?))) I want to tell you that a sense of self-preservation is present in any person if he is "in order with his head." And this feeling is even more powerful in a person who lives in a prosperous, prosperous country. Who knows that a decent pension is not at all "just around the corner", which will allow you to live in your own pleasure. Such a person will never take extreme risks, especially out of stupidity. And this is inherent not only to the French, but also to the Anglo-Saxons and Germans. So, do not suspect them of suicidal tendencies)))
                      6. nks
                        nks 17 May 2021 22: 10
                        0
                        I do not need to have acquaintances at AdlA - the doctrinal documents of the Ministry of Defense and the oath are public. You just shouldn't be judged by yourself.
                      7. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 17 May 2021 22: 22
                        -1
                        Doctrinal documents are bare theory, like the Military Regulations. But it is impossible to live by it. Regarding measuring for yourself))) the nasty crack with which a stone bursts when 7,69 hits it - is remembered forever. And then oaths are forgotten, loud words about heroism, military duty, etc. I really want to become small and inconspicuous, because the second time, the "spirit" may not miss))) when you stay in my place - then we will discuss) ))
                      8. nks
                        nks 17 May 2021 22: 29
                        0
                        Caliber - it is 7,62. And there is nothing to discuss with you - you even confuse tasks with the nature of your personality.
                      9. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 18 May 2021 00: 08
                        -1
                        Go to Wikipedia - you will discover a terrible military secret, which weapon had a caliber of 7,69 mm.)))) Or do you think that besides 7,62, there are no other calibers in the world?)))
                      10. nks
                        nks 18 May 2021 00: 13
                        0
                        I know which weapon the 7,69 had. Have you identified the "cod" gauge?
                      11. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 18 May 2021 00: 16
                        -1
                        Not. To the deceased, it was already unnecessary, therefore they took it with them as a trophy)))
  • keeper03
    keeper03 14 May 2021 14: 04
    0
    What's not clear here ?! request Carried out a special assignment by order of the US Department of Defense! wassat soldier
  • jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 14 May 2021 12: 56
    0
    Is this what you need ??)
  • yfast
    yfast 14 May 2021 13: 01
    +1
    Russian pilots, making sure that the French planes did not violate the borders, calmly went to their airfields, the author writes.
    How could the pilots be convinced by looking around? Why then radars, is it cheaper and more accurate?
  • cniza
    cniza 14 May 2021 13: 02
    +4
    Thus, the French conducted a reconnaissance operation under the nose of the Russian air defense, using conventional fighters equipped with special equipment instead of special reconnaissance aircraft, the author of the article claims.


    There are many such people ...
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 14 May 2021 13: 05
    0
    those. there are no normal scouts, and you have to make an imitation of full-fledged intelligence from a ram and sticks?
  • 1536
    1536 14 May 2021 13: 08
    +2
    Russia has already fought a coalition of countries including Britain, France, Turkey and the Kingdom of Sardinia that joined them in 1853-1856. The war was fought for control of the Black Sea and the Balkan Peninsula. In 1854, the British, French and Turks laid siege to the city of Sevastopol. The heroic defense of Sevastopol lasted 349 days. Russian soldiers and officers showed miracles of heroism and fortitude. And the soldiers of the coalition, naturally, "miracles" of meanness and cruelty. Alas, Russia showed in that war that its industry could not provide the army with modern weapons and in abundance. As a result, she was defeated. Apparently, both the British and the French (the reduced social responsibility of this country is known), and the Turks and Italians sleep and see in order to repeat what happened on the Black Sea and in the Crimea 168 years ago.
    And all this modern bunch of scoundrels is still confident that the war will be local in nature. Their headquarters, located in london, paris and rome or "sardinia", as well as the headquarters and command posts of their current curator from across the ocean, will remain intact. Where such confidence? From the reports of their scouts and informers, who screech that the promise to the people in the event of military aggression will not be fulfilled to strike at the headquarters that planned this aggression?
    As the saying goes, the French "did not understand anything, learned nothing." But is it only the French?
    1. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 14 May 2021 14: 05
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      Apparently, both the British and the French (the reduced social responsibility of this country is known), and the Turks and Italians sleep and see in order to repeat what happened on the Black Sea and in the Crimea 168 years ago.

      Only something has changed - ground-based anti-ship missiles, they reach 120-240 km from the peninsula
      11th Coastal Missile and Artillery Brigade (Utash) - 4 launchers
      15th Coastal Missile and Artillery Brigade (Sevastopol) - 4 launchers

      Not to mention the Su-24, Su-34, which will lock the Bosphorus if necessary.
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 14 May 2021 15: 08
      -1
      I would not agree with the defeat.
      While the British trampled under Sevastopol, the Russian army in Transcaucasia slowly but surely wound kilometers deep into the Ottoman Empire. We have advanced two hundred kilometers on a front of 600 kilometers. In Crimea, Russia already kept an entire army group. As part of one army corps, the personnel of the Black Sea fleet and the local militia.
      There was a possibility that Austria Hungary and Prussia would enter the war on the side of Great Britain. Therefore, Russia went to peace. Romania was torn away from the Ottoman Empire as a result of the war.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 May 2021 13: 32
    +2
    Yes, now the RC 135 is flying, without disturbing anything, reached Abkhazia, spinning Novorossisk-Crimea. Cool, the transponder is on, progress is obvious.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 May 2021 13: 46
    0
    Who needs it, these paddling pools have long been enlightened through and through.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 14 May 2021 14: 01
    +2
    What of that.
    We removed the operating modes of the radar in mode 1.
    Who said that in a combat situation, air defense will stick to this range?
  • va3610
    va3610 14 May 2021 15: 40
    0
    "Thus, the French conducted a reconnaissance operation under the nose of the Russian air defense, using conventional fighters equipped with special equipment instead of special reconnaissance aircraft," the author of the article claims.
    And ours didn't even know ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 May 2021 15: 51
      -1
      They knew they did not know, but the reaction to combat aircraft under the nose will be different from reconnaissance aircraft
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 14 May 2021 17: 20
    +1
    An almost useless method of reconnaissance, because in peacetime no one works on combat frequencies, besides, the data of the C300,400 work has long been removed, back in Syria, and the locations of the air defense systems are known.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 May 2021 19: 03
    0
    Mirage 2000 produced 614 units, lost since 1984 in various flight accidents 58 units, especially the French with the Greeks.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 15 May 2021 03: 44
    0
    - "However, everything is not how it looked, says Aix" - it is not clear that "theirs" are handing over or just another chatter for the people !?.
  • zenion
    zenion 15 May 2021 20: 27
    0
    For reconnaissance, special planes of the type of fighters are used. With high altitude and speed with the ability to fight off pursuit.