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The Polish press reminded readers how Hitler offered Piłsudski a joint attack on the USSR

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The Polish press reminded readers how Hitler offered Piłsudski a joint attack on the USSR

In the Polish press, a material was released, which tells about a historical fact from 1935. The publication Wirtualna Polska reminded its readers how Adolf Hitler, at the initial stage of his stay in power in Germany, sent an envoy to Warsaw to discuss "an important issue" with Józef Piłsudski. It is noted that the leader of Nazi Germany suggested that the Polish leader unite for a subsequent attack on the Soviet Union.


By the time Hitler sent a delegation led by Goering to Warsaw, Jozef Pilsudski was already seriously ill, he had very little to live.

Polish historians say that Pilsudski categorically rejected Hitler's proposal for a joint attack on the USSR. At the same time, the Polish press decided not to mention the fact that it was Pilsudski who was one of the first European leaders to sign an agreement with Nazi Germany - a non-aggression pact. Later (after the death of Piłsudski), the Polish side, along with the Munich Agreement, used this pact as a base for its own security during the invasion of Czechoslovakia.

The meeting of the Hitlerite delegation with Pilsudski took place in January 1935. Polish authors write that "Jozef Piłsudski was outraged by the German proposal."

All this is presented in the Polish press in the following vein: Pilsudski at one time refused to invade the USSR, but the USSR "invaded Poland in September 1939". Moreover, the Polish media does not specify exactly which "territories of Poland" are being discussed and where they came from ...

Comments of Polish readers in the mentioned edition:

Great discovery ... So Pilsudski had plans to argue in favor of France. You need to honestly talk about it and not distort history.

If he (Pilsudski) then agreed, then our ancestors would have shared the fate of the Hungarians, who became cannon fodder on the eastern front. Dictators always need cannon fodder.

If he had agreed then, Poland today would at best be the size of one of its provinces.

But now we are signing agreements with an equally terrible enemy - Ukrainian Bandera. We also finance them, employ millions to work in our country.
Photos used:
Wikipedia / Bohdan Wendorff, Prezydenci RP, Szkice Biograficzne, London 1954 (Kancelaria Prezydencka RP)
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 14 May 2021 11: 05
    +2
    Yeah, tell me more that if he agreed, Poland would have swallowed the Reich. laughing

    If he had agreed then, Poland today would at best be the size of one of its provinces.


    Logic if he carried patrons and further divorced from reality children's dreams and fantasies that are not compatible with reality.

    The Polish press reminded readers how Hitler offered Piłsudski a joint attack on the USSR

    As a result, Hitler attacked Poland, but the Poles are not at all embarrassed by this fact in their fantasies.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 14 May 2021 11: 11
      +18
      And the Polish press did not think about the question where did it get a part of East Prussia, Silesia, Pomerania, with such cities as Stettin (Szczecin), Breslau (Wroclaw) and so on? After all, this is the territory of Germany before 1937! And so it was the "bloody" Stalin who gave them all this. fellow What can I say, they "thanked" us for this ... belay
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 14 May 2021 11: 18
        +8
        The Poles in their history textbooks boldly write that they themselves defeated Germany and occupied the lands you listed. Although everyone knows that Germany was defeated by the USSR, after which part of Germany's lands went to Poland (black on the map), and part became the GDR (green on the map), while Germany, under an agreement with the Anglo-Saxons, was under the occupation of the USA, Great Britain and France. Well, the Kaliningrad region has now gone to the USSR (red on the map).
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 14 May 2021 11: 27
          +7
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Well, now the Kaliningrad region has ceded to the USSR (red on the map)

          Do not forget that still part of East Prussia was seized by the now "sovereign" Lithuania.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 14 May 2021 12: 08
            +3
            We must not forget the Poles to demand the return of the territories that were theirs before 1939.
            But forget to give, which were not theirs until 1945
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 14: 35
          -7
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Poles in their history textbooks boldly write

          Agree, it would be funny if the texts of Polish textbooks were written in the Russian Ministry of Defense, as they once did for the NDP))
          History at school cannot be presented in a derogatory tone. But, by the way, I'm rather curious about what they write in modern history textbooks in Serbia (since a friend from this country has joined the thread).
      2. Wolf
        Wolf 14 May 2021 12: 39
        +5
        Is this a BIG QUESTION? Germany is not the heir to Prussia !!! , and has no right on the Pruska land and the Prusian border!
        If Germany were the heir to Prusia, then they would speak PRUSSIAN AND WRITE THIS SO THAT ALL THE SLAVS WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS!
        So what is left for Comrade Stalin than what would Poland add to the Prus lands? smile
        1. out of habit
          out of habit 14 May 2021 12: 43
          +6
          Your writings, too, not every Slav will understand.
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 14 May 2021 12: 48
            +6
            I agree with you, but some people understand and this is enough! wink
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 14 May 2021 12: 49
              +7
              And most of those, and this is IMPORTANT, did not hammer the RODNI LANGUAGE! wink
            2. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 14 May 2021 12: 57
              +6
              Quote: Wolf
              I agree with you, but some people understand and this is enough! wink

              To be honest, your writing always looks like you always deliberately distort the Russian language, posing as a foreigner (supposedly a Serb). This is very noticeable. Trust me. You then distort a lot in one post, then hardly distort in another. You are clearly not a Serb. Throw a mow under the Serb. Just don't tell me otherwise. It's all on the face. I just wanted to write this to you for a long time.
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 14 May 2021 13: 06
                +3
                How did you come to that conclusion? I am a Serb and from the military Krajina (Serbian Ukraine) and male and female country. The fact that I once write better depends on the word and MISLI and dialects, there is no one about who and where I am from. There is no curvature of the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE here, I do not write in RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, just USE RUSSIAN KIRILITS !!! So it would be vigledalo approximately, and if a Slovak or a Czech wrote in Cyrillic Ruskoy, and you wondered if Polaki would be puffed with Russian Cyrillic, you would understand them by 60 -70%!
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 14 May 2021 13: 10
                  +1
                  I wrote to you above how I came to this conclusion.
                  So it would be vigledalo approximately, and if a Slovak or a Czech wrote in Cyrillic Ruskoy, and you wondered if Polaki would be puffed with Russian Cyrillic, you would understand them by 60 -70%!

                  I doubt very much. I'll give you a quote from a Serbian site. By the way, Serbs now write in Latin, as it turned out, well, it's good that at least not in Arabic for now.
                  .Crno-beli važe za apsolutnog favorita na papiru, budući da su u dosadašnjem toku prvenstva osvojili 92 boda i upisali 30 pobeda te se nalaze na drugom mestu na tabeli. Takođe, kod kuće igraju neprikosnoveno ove sezone, do sada nisu doživeli niti jedan poraz i imaju skor od 17 pobeda i samo jedan remi.

                  S druge strane, Zmajevi imaju veliki motiv - borba za opstanak. Takođe, vetar u leđa daju im i pobede od 4: 2 nad Napretkom u prethodnom kolu, kao i trijumf nad Čukaričkim (2: 1) na prethodnoj utakmici kod kuće.

                  Ove sezone, Partizan je u dva navrata uspevao da savlada Voždovac. U ligaškoj utakmici Zmajevi su u potpunosti dominirali u prvom poluvremenu, ali nisu uspeli to i da valorizuju, te su crno-beli slavili sa 2: 0. Drugi meč odigrali su u okviru četvrtine finala Kupa, tim iz Humske porazio je mladi sastav ekipe sa Krova rezultatom 4: 0.

                  Šef stručnog štaba Predrag Rogan svestan je kvaliteta i snage protivnika, ali isto tako ističe da njegov tim ipak ima motiv više.

                  “Parni valjak! Kolega Stanojević je izvanredno posložio tim, igraju čvrst, agresivan i direktan fudbal. Kod kuće nisu izgubili ni bod i apsolutni su favorit. S druge strane, mi nikome ne pretimo, ali je činjenica da smo izuzetno motivisani. U mom timu vlada sjajna atmosfera, stvorili smo pozitivan ambijent i možemo mnogo toga da pokažemo protiv Partizana. Utakmica se igra 90 minuta, spremni smo svih 90 minuta da se borimo. Sve je u našim rukama i imamo čemu da se nadamo. Uz maksimalan respekt prema protivniku, idemo sa ciljem da ostvarimo pozitivan rezultat “, zaključio je gospodin Rogan.

                  https://www.srbijasport.net/n/69235/motivisano-na-partizan---sve-je-u-nasim-rukama/f
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 14 May 2021 13: 16
                    0
                    We must try and see, this is much better than drawing conclusions without reason! wink
                    1. Orange bigg
                      Orange bigg 14 May 2021 13: 18
                      +3
                      Above, I gave you a quote from a Serbian site. To be honest, nothing is clear at all. Can you translate?
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                      2. Wolf
                        Wolf 14 May 2021 13: 36
                        +2
                        Eto that you copied grief, just write in Cyrillic, if possible in Russian and then tell me what is clear and what is not? Can ? smile
                      3. Wolf
                        Wolf 14 May 2021 13: 43
                        +2
                        Crno-beli važe za apsolutnog favorita na papiru, budući da su u dosadašnjem toku prvenstva osvojili 92 boda i upisali 30 pobeda te se nalaze na drugom mestu na tabeli. Takođe, kod kuće igraju neprikosnoveno ove sezone, do sada nisu doživeli niti jedan poraz i imaju skor od 17 pobeda i samo jedan remi.

                        Black and white even for the absolute favorite on paper (papyrus) because in the championship they won 92 baud (points) and 30 victories and are in second (other) place on the table. Also playing home flawlessly this season ....... etc. smile
                      4. Wolf
                        Wolf 14 May 2021 13: 45
                        0
                        Can you understand now? laughing
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                3. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 14 May 2021 13: 27
                  0
                  Translate my quote from a Serbian site.
                4. Wolf
                  Wolf 14 May 2021 13: 53
                  +2
                  PREVALIZED the quotation is often enough, if you need more you can !!!
                5. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 14 May 2021 14: 06
                  +7
                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Translate my quote from a Serbian site.

                  Namesake, in vain they got to the bottom of the man - the Wolf is really from Serbia, on the site for the eighth year. As they say, stay longer - learn more. yes
  2. Understanding
    Understanding 14 May 2021 18: 55
    -4
    Yes, yes, Wolf is a clear troll. Fatty and arrogant.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 14 May 2021 12: 46
    +2
    But here it is not necessary to hammer the politicians famous for today like DONALD TUSK, his grandfather honestly served Hitler as an officer of the Abwehr, and the surname Tusk has an interesting origin from both male and female sides, and did they come to Poland from Germany?
  • Proxima
    Proxima 14 May 2021 13: 08
    0
    Quote: Wolf
    Is this a BIG QUESTION? Germany is not the heir to Prussia !!! , and is not entitled to the Pruska land and the Prusian border

    If you were such clever heroes in the year 1937, you would have made territorial claims to Germany. It's a good thing, your Silesia, you did not refuse Lvov and Vilna either. Great fellow Poland? - "from mozha to mozha"?
  • Wolf
    Wolf 14 May 2021 14: 07
    +2
    MANY LADIES DO NOT UNDERSTAND CHOO IN REALITY WAS THE CREATION OF GERMANY! You can understand common ludi, but there are no "HISTORIANS" !!! They deserve their credentials to be used for toilet paper !!!
    IN REALITY HAPPENED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRUSS AND LUZHICHKA SERBS (ALL SLAVS) AND IT WAS DONE BY PRUS OTO VON BISMARK !!!
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 14 May 2021 13: 57
    0
    Quote: Proxima
    And the Polish press did not think about the question where did it get a part of East Prussia, Silesia, Pomerania, with such cities as Stettin (Szczecin), Breslau (Wroclaw) and so on? After all, this is the territory of Germany before 1937! BUT,

    Well, then back in 1945 the territories you listed were German, and already in 1937 ...
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 14 May 2021 13: 38
    +5
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Yeah, tell me more that if he agreed, Poland would have swallowed the Reich. laughing

    Only the Reich? This is shallow, Khobotov! © smile
    Polska od morza do morza - Poland from sea to sea!
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 May 2021 13: 57
      +3
      So let them, their wards, the ancient navigators, dig up two seas on the western and eastern borders of Poland and they will be from walrus to walrus.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 14: 48
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Poland from sea to sea!

      Why is there a sea! To the Atlantic! Cameroon is "still useless" ....
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  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 May 2021 11: 20
    +9
    "Jozef Pilsudski was outraged by the German proposal"
    An attempt to whitewash the leadership of the then Poland, which was no better than today. Kohl said A, then say B. And the comments of Polish readers, frankly speaking, surprised me with a sober attitude to history.
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  • demo
    demo 14 May 2021 12: 11
    +3
    But now we are signing agreements with an equally terrible enemy - Ukrainian Bandera. We also finance them, employ millions to work in our country.
    I was always surprised that the Poles "forgot" the events of the 40s. That also surprised me. that the Ukrainians "do not remember" the time they were in the Rzeczpospolita.
    Forgot? Or just postponed the "solution to the issue" in the far corner?
    And for what? What should be the "great goal" for the sake of which one can forget what the Banderaites were doing in Polish (and their own) lands?
    I am silent about the Jews. This is a special topic.
    So what could be the purpose behind the temporary amnesia?
    There is only one thing - to provoke Russia into such actions that will leave such a stain on it, so that "the entire" syphilized "collective West" would say in a united impulse - THERE IS NO RUSSIA AND RUSSIAN FORGIVENESS!
    And the policy of our leadership, moreover, is toothless. She is also indulging in the promotion of anti-Russian tendencies in Ukraine.
    It has long been known that the basic principle of relations with bullies is the principle of the first strike. But there are nuances here.
    It is necessary to beat either the strongest (and he sits across the ocean and incites), or the weakest, who is used as "cannon fodder".
    It is not enough that the Poles themselves will not dare to take such a rash step, to provoke Russia, but in this case they will still remain in the role of that "hyena of Europe" that Churchill prescribed to them. That after "debriefing" to chop off someone else's property.
    I can't see anything else.
    1. out of habit
      out of habit 14 May 2021 13: 05
      +1
      Do you think it is possible that Poland will be able to "chop off" something from Ukraine with the aforementioned actions of Russia? Will Russia give?
      PS
      For some reason, Jews are always a special topic. wink
      1. demo
        demo 14 May 2021 14: 30
        -2
        Nobody will ask Russia in an extreme situation.
        And in Russia, if, by the way, there are people in the country's leadership whose children, grandchildren, ex-wives (is it a question!), Material resources are located precisely in those countries that conduct such a rabid and arrogant policy (the word politics doesn't even fit).
        And in sue, neither God nor the Devil is remembered.
        Therefore, special! wink
      2. gsev
        gsev 16 May 2021 17: 52
        0
        Quote: out of habit
        Do you think it is possible that Poland will be able to "chop off" something from Ukraine with the aforementioned actions of Russia? Will Russia give?

        I think if the Poles took the Rivne, Lviv and Chernivtsi regions, Russia would have nothing against it. The Poles would quickly teach the local squadrons to respect Polish statehood and save Eastern Ukraine from Western Ukrainian punishers. On the other hand, in the long-term plans of Poland, all of Ukraine and also the colonies in the Kuban, and in the short-term, at least, all of Right-Bank Ukraine ..
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 14: 23
      -4
      Quote: demo
      And the policy of our leadership, moreover, is toothless.

      That's right, comrade!

      laughing
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 14 May 2021 21: 33
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Right,

        Oral-oral, especially for runners walking under the criminal prime minister, who, for his own benefit, today does not even spare his (?) People. How is it that today's Hamas inquiry of pencils hasn’t come in yet? laughing
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 23: 03
          -4
          Quote: Paranoid50
          How is it that today's Hamas inquiry of pencils hasn’t come in yet?

          I have no idea, I am not in charge of the news on VO. Ask the Jews. But something tells me that they give your favorites in arafats according to the tinsel. Brace yourself. laughing
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 14 May 2021 23: 48
            +1
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            they give your favorites in arafatki.

            laughing laughing laughing In general, on the drum - here we are, as they say, above the fight.
            Well, evil children are swarming in the sandbox - and the devil is with them. yes It just finishes off the fact that the whole runaway party, having a lot of problems at the place of residence, first of all squeezes here, it is not clear what horn. request
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 14 May 2021 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: demo
      That also surprised me. that the Ukrainians "do not remember" the time they were in the Rzecz Pospolita.

      what's so surprising? then there were no Ukrainians. how do they remember that I will? request
      1. demo
        demo 14 May 2021 16: 52
        +4
        You are more careful with such statements.
        The Ukrainians were still at the time of the construction of the pyramids in Egypt (according to Ukrainian scientists who were educated in Ukrainian educational institutions, from the best Ukrainian professors).
        Probably in the days of Babylon, Ukrainian migrant workers went there for a sabbath. hi
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 15 May 2021 01: 22
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        then Ukrainians did not exist

        The Black Sea has existed for millennia, and it is reliably (according to Kyevy) proven that it was dug up by ancient yards. wassat
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 14 May 2021 13: 39
    +6
    Polish authors write that "Jozef Piłsudski was outraged by the German proposal."

    Translating into normal language: the Germans asked too much from the Poles and offered them too little. smile
    1. gsev
      gsev 16 May 2021 17: 59
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Translating into normal language: the Germans asked too much from the Poles and offered them too little

      The Germans apparently did not ask for much. Stalin, for example, was pleased with the results of the negotiations. Perhaps Pilsudski foresaw that Hitler's plans to conquer the USSR were unrealistic and such an attempt would not lead to sustainable long-term acquisitions. Perhaps Pilsudski hoped that repression and collectivization would lead to a new civil war in the USSR and the Poles without Germany would be able to move their borders to the east.
  • Wolf
    Wolf 14 May 2021 14: 08
    -1
    MANY LADIES DO NOT UNDERSTAND CHOO IN REALITY WAS THE CREATION OF GERMANY! You can understand common ludi, but there are no "HISTORIANS" !!! They deserve their credentials to be used for toilet paper !!!
    IN REALITY HAPPENED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PRUSS AND LUZHICHKA SERBS (ALL SLAVS) AND IT WAS DONE BY PRUS OTO VON BISMARK !!!
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 May 2021 15: 53
    +3
    A funny typus in the history of Poland, Exactly 90 years ago, on May 12, 1926, Marshal Jozef Pilsudski, relying on troops loyal to him, raised a revolt against the Polish government and the president, which ended in a coup d'etat (in Polish - zamach) and the establishment of a military dictatorship. So he decided to take the country out of the crisis "in the Latin American way", as a result of which, against the background of a catastrophic economic recession in Poland, five governments were replaced in six months. Managed to stage a military coup by overthrowing the legally elected government of Vincent Vitos. Great champion of democracy laughing
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 14 May 2021 16: 33
      0
      Gennadiy, Pilsudski department, something is not so, but the reasons are not reached, for this Poland received everything and what happened from 26g. up to 39g. .He highlighted that the "government" does not work for the benefit of the people but there is no realized reason. Rusia when allowed the destruction of Prussia made a BIG MISTAKE !!!
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        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 20: 39
          -2
          Quote: Wolf
          His mat was Luzhichka Serbian

          Bismarck is half Serb ...
          Now I have seen everything.
          1. Wolf
            Wolf 14 May 2021 20: 58
            0
            Yes Paragraph 100% SLAVS AND 100% BALVAN !!! wink
            1. Wolf
              Wolf 14 May 2021 21: 18
              0
              AND GERMANY IS NOT AN HEROR OF PRUSIA, IT IS OCCUPANT AND DESTROYER AND PRUSIA AND LUZHICHKOY OF SERBIA !!! wink So yes to the border of Germany where the francs are close to France !!! smile
            2. Wolf
              Wolf 14 May 2021 21: 45
              0
              You can calmly add to the photo from his autobiography that he realized from the First World War that he was 100% BALVAN !!!
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 14 May 2021 21: 48
                0
                And I especially understood this in the Second World War or the Great World War !!! wink
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 May 2021 16: 50
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    "Jozef Pilsudski was outraged by the German proposal"
    An attempt to whitewash the leadership of the then Poland, which was no better than today. Kohl said A, then say B. And the comments of Polish readers, frankly speaking, surprised me with a sober attitude to history.

    Here you can see that these were warm meetings with flowers, with an interesting cultural program in museums, historical sites, a banquet attended by famous Polish statesmen. Everything that the super-Arians will then try to destroy, and save the Soviet troops for some reason. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 May 2021 16: 54
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    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Quote: rotmistr60
    "Jozef Pilsudski was outraged by the German proposal"
    An attempt to whitewash the leadership of the then Poland, which was no better than today. Kohl said A, then say B. And the comments of Polish readers, frankly speaking, surprised me with a sober attitude to history.

    Here you can see that these were warm meetings with flowers, with an interesting cultural program in museums, historical sites, a banquet attended by famous Polish statesmen. Everything that the super-Arians will then try to destroy, and save the Soviet troops for some reason. laughing

    Himmler in Poland
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 14 May 2021 17: 18
      0
      The first photo with Himmler symbolically showed the eye. Both Czechoslovakia and Polshshu have already been covered by Angliska intelligence. And one and the other did what the British needed! wink
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        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 20: 43
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          Quote: Wolf
          LIKE TODAY RUSSIA, UKRAINE AND BELARUS !!!

          Is Yugoslavia still in one piece?
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  • xorek
    xorek 14 May 2021 18: 13
    +3
    Do you remember Chamberlain? With his boastful statement "I brought you the world" ..
    It seems that they have already agreed that Hitler will trample on Russia ..
    And then Churchill will win Germany, we will help Russia and vice versa .. The main thing is that they kill each other!
    And if Hitler had reached an agreement with Poland, then they would have been the punishers of the highest class, and all these Bandera and others would have been under their command of Panam!
    Then there would have been many times more victims. It was not for nothing that the main concentration camps were located on the territory of Poland. negative
    Now everything is repeated again, only everything will be much worse for Russia. soldier
  • Igor Ushakov
    Igor Ushakov 15 May 2021 22: 25
    0
    In the end, it all boiled down to the following - Poland was created as a counterbalance to Germany, until the USSR was taken seriously, then they began to raise Germany as a counterweight to the USSR. However, the Poles stubbornly did not want to notice the threat from the west, and they planned to expand to the east.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 19 May 2021 11: 44
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    The talks between Poland and Germany look like the hiss of two snakes that want to swallow each other.