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Americans are testing the Soviet submachine gun Sudaev

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One of the mass samples of small arms weapons development of the times of the Great Patriotic War is the Sudaev submachine gun. According to the most conservative estimates, from 1942 to 1945, more than half a million units were produced in the USSR. The general indicators of PPP production exceed 2 mln.


At the same time, the prevalence and effectiveness of weapons turned out to be such that PPS are used to this day. They can be seen in Afghanistan, Syria, in other places where armed conflicts continue or break out.

Despite the very limited aiming range, the submachine guns of the Aleksey Sudaev system are often honored today, including from experienced shooters.

Attention is drawn to the review that is presented in relation to the submachine gun in question in the United States.
The author of the video presents variants of the PPS, including the "new" one - under the caliber of 9 mm. The standard PPS, we recall, was created for a caliber of 7,62 mm.

From video:

We will shoot with different cartridges. We would like to see the difference between 9 and 7,62 mm. You can even try single shots, but you need to get used to it.

The shooting is carried out "in the American style" - even a teddy bear was decided to be used as a target.

The Americans conduct test firing from the PPS:

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  1. Finches
    Finches 14 May 2021 10: 36
    +5
    I had a chance to shoot from a PPS - a cool machine! If Sudaev had not died early (at 34 in 1946), it is quite possible that the evolution of submachine guns under an intermediate cartridge in the USSR would have taken a different path.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 May 2021 10: 42
      +3
      Here the saying goes like never before: Simple and tasteful! hi
    2. nonsense
      nonsense 14 May 2021 10: 55
      +3
      recourse Th it is somehow tricky ... do not understand "submachine guns" or "under an intermediate cartridge" ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 14 May 2021 11: 28
        +2
        The history of automatic weapons chambered for 7,62 - is that better?
      2. novel66
        novel66 14 May 2021 12: 13
        +3
        between pistol and rifle
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 May 2021 10: 41
        +1
        7,62x25 mm (7,63) Mauser - pistol cartridges.
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 May 2021 10: 21
          +2
          To be precise, PPS used TT cartridges.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 16 May 2021 10: 29
            +2
            I do not argue ..... patrot TT himself leads a pedigree from 7,63 ..... I do not remember now, some of them can shoot someone else's cartridge, and some cannot. And the difference in caliber - someone measures on the grooves, and someone without.
          2. alexbyrcev
            alexbyrcev 17 May 2021 00: 49
            -1
            And even more precisely the Mauser cartridge 7,63X25.
    3. EEE226
      EEE226 16 May 2021 10: 13
      +1
      Design just for wartime! And the fact that PPS was made even in besieged Leningrad confirms this well.
  2. Evdokim
    Evdokim 14 May 2021 11: 07
    0
    What are they doing in their garage? Or a type of scrap metal restoration?
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 14 May 2021 11: 23
      +3
      There are very liberal gun laws in some states. In some places, even completely legal automatic weapons imported before sixty some year.
      1. Desperado
        Desperado 14 May 2021 11: 30
        +3
        Since 1986, the United States has banned the sale of fully automatic weapons (however, submachine guns, machine guns, etc., manufactured before 1986, may remain in the possession of people and be sold by them privately). In 1994, another restriction was introduced - rapid-fire rifle magazines must not hold more than 10 cartridges (accordingly, it is allowed to own and privately resell magazines purchased before 1994).
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 14 May 2021 11: 33
        +2
        There are very liberal gun laws in some states.

        But they monitor the observance of these "liberal" laws very strictly. We noticed that the presenter did not have a license to own an automatic weapon and he was demonstrating PPS without a barrel. I don’t know the laws of the United States, but it seemed to me that he was afraid to touch the active weapon.
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 May 2021 11: 26
      +2
      it looks like a remake, or some kind of Chinese or some other version
      Do Americans seem to have automatic weapons prohibited?
      1. Finches
        Finches 14 May 2021 12: 06
        +1
        PPP and Finns decently riveted!
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 May 2021 13: 25
          +2
          maybe the Finns. They bear little resemblance to the Soviet ones.
          1. John22
            John22 14 May 2021 21: 20
            +1
            The Finnish PPS has a 9 mm cartridge and a straight magazine. The same store is in the GDR and Spain.
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 May 2021 21: 38
              +1
              It is important that this is not the original Soviet PPP, so they need to be told directly that they are testing
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 15 May 2021 10: 42
            +1
            With a wooden stock, was it really like that?
            1. ssergey1978
              ssergey1978 16 May 2021 16: 46
              +1
              The Poles did it with a wooden butt and the markings were 43/52, but I don’t remember about the caliber, perhaps 9x19
  3. Konnick
    Konnick 14 May 2021 11: 29
    +4
    These don't test, they just joke. There are much more informative videos, although they link to one of them. And PPP is brilliant in terms of manufacturability. The price-quality ratio of modern plastic toys is very far from the PPP.
  4. Constanty
    Constanty 14 May 2021 11: 40
    +1
    These are not really originals, but some kind of "folders" with American-made cameras - of terrible quality, as you can see from the film.

    No factory marks either on the Polish PPS-43/52 (there should be 11 in the oval), or on the allegedly original PPS-43

    You can compare the quality of the original cameras

  5. impostor
    impostor 14 May 2021 11: 59
    +4
    The undoubted plus of the design is simplicity. And one more thing: the barrel with the receiver on top, and the trigger is removed downward - the weaver and picatinny will sit monolithic on the receiver, the collimator does not have to be re-shot
  6. Adimius38
    Adimius38 14 May 2021 17: 14
    0
    Well done, they shoot such interesting programs with our own weapons.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 May 2021 20: 04
    -1
    PPS was significantly better than PPSh.
    But the PPSh has already been launched into mass production, and replace
    they did not take him on Sudaev.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 May 2021 21: 51
      +2
      The PPS had less metal thickness and a simpler design - for example, in the shape of the barrel casing, open from the bottom.
      On the one hand, this made the PCB lighter and easier to manufacture, on the other hand, it reduced the rigidity of the structure, and, accordingly, reliability.
      Especially taking into account the fact that in the PPS the fundamental drawback of the PPSh was corrected - a short bolt box, which in real operating conditions led to the failure of the damper, which significantly reduced the accuracy, and then the butt plate of the box.
      In addition, due to the short movement of the shutter, the rate of fire was unnecessarily high, which led to overexpenditure of ammunition and overheating of the barrel.
      The quality of PPSh manufacturing varied markedly at different factories.
      There was also a problem with all stamped products - with an increase in the number of copies, the quality of stamping deteriorated due to the wear of the punch and matrix.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 15 May 2021 10: 47
        +2
        For PPS, the rate of fire was reduced by displacing the return spring from the central axis of the bolt movement.
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 May 2021 11: 15
          +2
          And the length of the shutter stroke
          In the PPS it is noticeably more than in the PPSh.
        2. John22
          John22 18 May 2021 18: 41
          0
          How, then, "displacement of the return spring from the central axis of the shutter movement" can affect the rate of fire of the PP?
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 18 May 2021 18: 51
            0
            Quote: John22
            How, then, "displacement of the return spring from the central axis of the shutter movement" can affect the rate of fire of the PP?

            There is a slight skew of the shutter, as a result of which its some braking, which in turn reduces the rate of fire.
            PySy because of what the imbalance arises you will ask?
    2. John22
      John22 14 May 2021 21: 54
      +2
      PPS-43 was not designed for infantry, but for tankers, reconnaissance, landing, etc. In addition, the People's Commissar of Armaments Ustinov wanted to promote the PPSh-2 into production (he did not agree with the test results) and banned the production of PPS at the factories of the People's Commissariat. Sudaev was sent to besieged Leningrad to establish the production of PPS-42 at the remaining capacities.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 15 May 2021 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: John22
        PPS-43 was not designed for infantry, but for tankers, reconnaissance, landing, etc.

        In addition, the PPS armed officers - commanders of platoons, companies, and in some places also battalions.
  8. John22
    John22 14 May 2021 21: 37
    +3
    1. The Polish PPS-43/52 had a caliber of 7,62 mm for the TT cartridge.
    2. In the video at the beginning it was said, but not done: comparative single shooting at the maximum range. It would be interesting to be convinced, once again, of the advantage of the Soviet cartridge in terms of effective range.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 May 2021 10: 45
      0
      Now, of course, a lot of cartridges ... but 7,62 is not deservedly forgotten. For PP, it is quite possible to use
      1. ssergey1978
        ssergey1978 16 May 2021 16: 51
        0
        Time has put everything in its place. 7.62x25 space was not found. He does not have any advantages, but there are disadvantages.
    2. Avior
      Avior 15 May 2021 11: 24
      0
      The effective firing range is determined by a complex of factors.
      The pistol cartridge has that 9 mm, that 7,62, insufficient flatness, after 200 meters, a significant steepness of the trajectory.
      Theoretically, in polygon conditions, at a precisely measured distance, this can be compensated for by the sight, but in areal conditions it is impossible - and the enemy will not stand at the measured distance, and you cannot determine the range with an accuracy of several meters, and you will be tortured to rearrange the sight all the time
      Therefore, the 500 m sights were very quickly replaced with 100-200 m flip sights on almost all sub-stations during the war. This is the limit of the real effective shooting of a conventional pistol cartridge.
      The Americans, in order to get an effective range of 300 m, even with single ones, had to use 2-3 times more powerful cartridge for their Carbine than conventional pistol cartridges.
      hi
  9. Tycoon
    Tycoon 16 May 2021 10: 28
    0
    A good pistol is a machine gun for its time, but now it is 100% outdated, but the fact that it is still used is there are still tribes that run with spears and swords ...
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 17 May 2021 06: 16
      0
      Quote: Tycoon
      so there are still tribes that run with spears and swords ...

      Are you talking about the Americans with their 1911 Colt or M2? laughing Although if you are seriously right, this is still a wartime weapon.
  10. Tycoon
    Tycoon 16 May 2021 10: 30
    0
    Question to the author - what is American style shooting ???? Or, as always, you need to make an injection in the American side ????
  11. bunta
    bunta 13 June 2021 21: 52
    +1
    Why are there no articles or videos on "Russians Testing Thompson's Submachine Gun"?