The first batch of modernized ACS 2S3M "Akatsiya" was handed over to the Ministry of Defense

The Ministry of Defense has received the first batch of 2S3M "Akatsia" self-propelled artillery mounts that have passed the modernization. The delivery was carried out within the framework of the state defense order.

The delivery of the ACS was carried out by Uraltransmash, the only plant in Russia that manufactures and, accordingly, repairs self-propelled artillery installations. The ACS "Akatsia" transferred to the Ministry of Defense underwent major overhaul and modernization. The details of the modernization were not disclosed, it is stated that all imported components have been completely replaced on the machines, and new communications have been installed.

The press service clarified that all the self-propelled guns handed over to the military are equipped with spare parts and accessories and the necessary tools.

How many cars in the transferred batch are not reported, it is noted that this is the first transfer to the military that have undergone overhaul with the modernization of the ACS 2S3M2 "Akatsia". All work was completed on time within the framework of the state defense order.

ACS 2S3M2 "Akatsiya" - self-propelled artillery mount of 152 mm caliber. The basic version of the self-propelled guns entered service with the Soviet army in 1971. In the late 1970s, the ACS were upgraded to the 2S3M standard, and then the 2S3M1, receiving a new fire control system and communications equipment. In 2004-2009, part of the Akatsy was upgraded to the 2S3M2 level.

Despite its age, the Akatsiya self-propelled gun is still one of the main artillery systems of the Russian army. The mass of the modernized ACS is 27 tons, the effective fire range is from 17 to 20 km, depending on the type of ammunition. The main purpose is destruction and artillery, tanks, self-propelled guns and other armored vehicles, destruction of field and long-term defensive structures.

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[Alien From]

Artillery God of War! Serious car, the photo is so generally fire!

[Orange bigg]

Msta-SM2 and Coalition-SV are even more serious and need to be purchased. But they want to see us cheap and angry, so they modernize the obsolete Acacia.

[bistrov.]

Msta-S, Coalition and Akatsiya are artillery systems of different classes, some are designed to solve tactical tasks, while others are operational, in particular, Akatsiya to support the action of shock tank formations, and Msta-s, the Coalition of actions of the type of combined arms army.

[svp67]

Quote: bistrov.

and Msta-s, .... actions such as a combined arms army.

I don’t know how and where, but in our tank division we had quite an artillery regiment on "Msta-S"

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: bistrov.

Msta-S, Coalition and Akatsia - artillery systems of different classes

To illustrate.
In WWII, the Red Army had a 152mm ML-20 howitzer cannon, but as soon as they began to attack, they also needed a 152mm D-1 howitzer of 1943, much cheaper. Not in exchange, but in addition.
Because there are a lot of fire missions that can be solved with less long-range systems with a more economical consumption of resources.
If the opponents are comparable in power, then the one who uses the available resources more rationally wins the war.

[Zaurbek]

We at the lectern were shooting with 122mm and 152mm howitzers of 38 years old .... they look alike. The projectile is the same as it is now ... the calculations are the same (It would be a fairy tale with the automation of calculations). They differ only in range and they have to manually open the shutter.
And so, if there is no task of re-shooting someone in range (like Syria or Afgan or Chechen companies), I don’t want to shoot. And there are many more in warehouses.

[carstorm 11]

Even in the days of the USSR, there was both MSTA and Akatsia. Divisional artillery simply cannot be replaced with a click.

[Barberry25]

various workshops are engaged in modernization and production ... and the one that the Coalition, that Msta, the troops are similarly going ..

[svp67]

Well, that ... while there is not a sufficient number of newer 152-mm self-propelled artillery systems, the modernization of the Akatsy is one of the ways to keep them in a more or less modern state. That's just to strain the power of the manufacturer for this, apparently it was not worth it

[Genry]

Quote: svp67

Well, that ... while there is not enough newer 152-mm self-propelled artillery systems,

Acacia is great for supporting offensive operations. It is lighter than the "Coalition" - therefore it is more mobile; shorter range - higher accuracy when using conventional shells and faster approach; simpler barrel - cheaper maintenance and replacement.

[Guru]

That's just to strain the power of the manufacturer for this, apparently it was not worth it

If
Msta-SM2 or Coalition-SV are released on the stream, but if it is NOT? So they are engaged in the modernization of "Akats". The news is, of course, good in principle, but in general, the bell is alarming.

[Vadim237]

This is a call about what is simply being spent on purchases of the Coalition MOE wants. And Acacia has long become outdated both physically and morally.

[hagen]

Quote: Vadim237

And Acacia has long become outdated both physically and morally.

Is it possible in more detail than the modernization of Acacia does not suit you? Although the details of the modernization are not disclosed, I think that the main idea of ​​this action is to prepare the hardware for network-centric control. To repel, for example, a breakthrough of the Barmaley from the south or to revive the Banderaites, it will be quite successful.

[Vadim237]

Its firing range is 25 kilometers maximum and it cannot be increased in view of the resource and design features of the barrel, and in real combat such light self-propelled guns can destroy the same NLOS Spike ATGM, whose firing range of 30 kilometers is not suitable for a modern war with a modern enemy. And in general, the disunification of guns of the same caliber in the troops is not the best in organization and maintenance.

[hagen]

Quote: Vadim237

such self-propelled guns can be destroyed by the same ATGM Spike NLOS, which has a firing range of 30 kilometers for a modern war with a modern enemy, it is not suitable

What is the likelihood of a "modern war", meaning a war with an enemy of equal technical equipment? I think that the likelihood of local conflicts of the "Chechen" or "Syrian" type is much higher. And there the mass of the barrels used and their mobility will be more important. So the available artillery is still very useful. Of course, it would be nice to replace every old car with two new ones. But this is too costly economically. And it’s unreasonable.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Very suitable for modern warfare. In addition to firing along a hinged trajectory, there is also the possibility of direct fire. And the 152mm caliber looks very convincing for that.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Vadim237

She has a maximum firing range of 25 kilometers.

Interestingly, what target do you plan to hit at a distance of 30 km with conventional 152mm ammunition?
Is it something stationary the size of a stadium?

[Alex777]

How do you like the target position of the MLRS Hurricane?
The LPNR had such a task.

[Captain Pushkin]

So how? Did you manage to solve it? How did they shoot, at what expense?

[Alex777]

By nightfall, BM Grad was dragged to the front line and covered at the limit. Lucky ...
Colleagues did not specify the type of shells.
Unlucky yet, Banderas fired at them with impunity. They thought they were out of reach.

[Captain Pushkin]

Judging by the commentary, you also have no idea for what purpose you can effectively fire from a howitzer at a distance of 30 km.
Otherwise, they would not have "moved" to the MLRS BM21.

[Alex777]

Otherwise, they would not have "moved" to the MLRS BM21.

As you wish.
You asked - I answered how everything was in a particular case. Didn't go anywhere.
The LDNR fighters did not have long-range artillery. But it would be useful to them.

[Captain Pushkin]

Was. The quantities are small. Msta-B and Hyacinth.

[Alex777]

Here's another fresh topic ...

The rocket artillery units subordinate to the command of the joint forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have worked out deployment at firing positions and targeting a mock enemy near the border with Crimea, the press service of the command reported.

https://vz.ru/news/2021/5/14/1099197.html

[Zaurbek]

So there is a 220mm caliber for ethical purposes Malka uses either a 130mm gun or already MSTA.

[lelik613]

A variety of cutlery is served at the table, although you can get by with just one spoon. "Acacia" is pretty well configured and if given a good guidance system will still serve. By weight, it is half the weight of the Coalition. And the range depends on the ballistics of the barrel and this is also solvable.

[TerraSandera]

Well, all the tools are important, all the tools are needed. The required number of coalitions and msta will never be, it is too expensive. For some tasks, these are quite enough. Correction with UAVs will make them fit for their tasks.

[alexmach]

Well, all the tools are important, all the tools are needed. There will never be the required number of coalitions and msta, it is too expensive

Why not? looked at Wikipedia. Apart from those "Acacia" that in 2016 were listed in storage, the number of Msta-S of all modifications and Acacia was approximately equal. If we systematically purchase new systems, then Akatsii could simply be put into reserve.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

MSTA and the Coalition have a higher silhouette, it is more convenient to stop enemy tanks that have broken through with the help of Acacia. And roll out to direct fire too.

[alexmach]

Well, these machines were not created for this at all. Don't do that with them.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The 203-mm B-4 howitzer was also not created for that, but worked with direct fire on the streets of Berlin.

[alexmach]

In order to work on the streets of Berlin, it was necessary to go from Stalingrad and Moscow to this very Berlin. And in order to do this, the weapon must work well, first of all, for its direct purpose, without this in any way. This is the most important thing, and with this there are questions to Akatsia in modern conditions, and the rest of the fantasy flights about tanks on direct fire and the streets of Berlin or at least Berdichev is already the tenth thing.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Your questions can be lived through, the howitzer is quite suitable in modern conditions. Therefore, it is being modernized.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

If there is a sight for direct fire, then this is the direct purpose. And leave the shame of using it for direct fire for the uninitiated.

[Zaurbek]

If you find fault, then MSTa has better flatness and a longer direct fire.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The MSTA strikes further, it is heavier, the silhouette is higher, it is unlikely that it will be so close to the front edge to go straight ahead.

[Zaurbek]

So that at 88 anti-aircraft guns, the same silhouette was not low ..... Not a PT gun at all.

[Vapolk]

Acacia is a howitzer!!!
Self-propelled howitzer with "bulletproof armor".
The main purpose of howitzers is firing from a closed firing position !!!
And the optical sight is placed on the self-propelled guns in case of repelling an attack of tanks on the march or a firing position during a breakthrough. And in the Acacia 2 ammunition load, there are only two !!! cumulative projectiles from 46 in the ammo rack, located in special places separately from others.
Tanks can also shoot with a closed fire and are equipped with a panorama, but it turns out that this is not very good for them in view of the design features. (I hope the details are not needed.)

[113262a]

We are waiting for us! Msta and the coalition do not shine for Donbass, but Akatsia with Carnations to replace d-20, d-30 is the most!

[Paranoid50]

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We are waiting for us!

Windrose is changeable and the strong Nord often blows out. Expect so.

[113262a]

Yes, sir, and it didn't blow like that ...)))

[Zaurbek]

There were long-range Soviet 130mm guns ... they were supplied to Syria with Jews to shoot when it turned out that Soviet 152mm guns were not being fired.

[Ros 56]

To help the peasants in Donbass, send a 42-year-old sucker to help them, and let this Acacia bloom there.

[Diverter]

I think this is wrong. These are deprecated methods. Establish the location of the Nazis and fire the MLRS Smerch from a safe distance for the soldiers. It is possible to remove from storage and, after service, to dispose of old OTRK. (As an option) and it is desirable that the warheads be incendiary, volumetric detonating. Let them burn alive. Although the ACS can be sent for installation on support nodes, etc.

[Paranoid50]

Damn it, out of habit to any "artillery" material I'm waiting for Lopatov's comment.
Lost somewhere ...

[garri-lin]

Unfortunately yes. It's been a long time since he was seen. I hope I'm just tired of arguing with incompetent people and therefore does not enter.

[lucul]

Unfortunately yes. It's been a long time since he was seen. I hope I'm just tired of arguing with incompetent people and therefore does not enter.

Whether alive, otherwise anything can happen.
On one resource, they were also surprised at the disappearance of the author, and then they found out that he died of cancer ...

[garri-lin]

I was also worried about this topic. I always read his comments with pleasure. I hope he's okay.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is a car so a car, and then it's all about a Turkish mortar on wheels without a roof.

[Ovsigovets]

ACS 2S3 "Akatsiya" in total in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation 1850, of which 1000 are in storage ... 850 in units ... and then there are 3 options - removal from service and for scrap - which is expensive and not zealous ... we do nothing , we leave it at the 2C3 level - it's cheap, but stupid ....... or upgrading to the 2C3M2 level is expensive, BUT it is reasonable ..... "offer criticizing" (C) ... replace with Msta-CM2 and Coalition-SV is of course great, BUT throwing money around like this is just the height of idiocy ... let them build new ACS and modernize these

[sustav75]

In 1941, in the western direction, the USSR had about 12 thousand tanks not of the first freshness, such as BT2-5, T-26 and others! The Germans knocked out all this "wealth" in a few weeks! Few lessons for our bureaucrats economists! For themselves, they are building new mansions, palaces! Instead of modernizing old Khrushchev buildings ...

[Barberry25]

1) deliveries of the modernized SM2 are underway, 2) the modernization of Acacia and Carnations is carried out IN ADDITIONAL ... and not INSTEAD

[Ovsigovets]

Well, apparently for the production of exclusively novya is not enough little little .... add? or talk and that's it?

[Diverter]

Not a tanker, but my opinion is that this SPG is needed as an addition to tanks. With the task of their direct support. Therefore, the performance characteristics of ACS for such tasks are more than excellent. For other tasks - other ACS.

[Zaurbek]

Not. This is an art system - a howitzer for inflicting art strikes and quickly getting out of the place of firing, deploying in a different place, automatic topographic location from the central launcher ... transmission of firing and shot settings from it. And in case of counter-battery fire (if they did not have time to swoop), the armor protects against fragments of HE shells.

[Diverter]

I think that it is no longer suitable for counter-battery shooting

[Zaurbek]

His gun was not suitable even during the last wars with Israel .... The Syrians were urgently supplied with 130mm howitzer cannons. And they began to develop other 152mm systems

[Zaurbek]

Now, of course, kamikaze drones, new ATGM systems of the Spike type (with a range of 20-30 km), will change tactics and force to rethink such systems as howitzers ... change the capabilities of howitzers.

[Nikolay293]

Acacia is not outdated yet! She worked well in South Ossetia.

[Palirsit]

Well, my friends, this news is bad enough for our armed forces, judge for yourself now the age of modern technologies and the range of 17 km is very small because there are drones and satellites that will not even allow you to approach this distance, well, of course, there are active rockets "Krasnopol" whose range is 20 km, but this range is very small, and besides, very little is fired with this projectile (I personally served on this technique and personally saw how the chief of artillery watched the video and collected this projectile on it), that is, preparations for this there is no projectile now, that with regards to Syria or Afghanistan, then this technique there because of the heat and sand just boils and stands, so if at least the length of the barrel was increased, it might be useful, but there are much more successful 2s19 C "in which the range is also lame (27 km with an active rocket projectile), but could at least be upgraded to a longer range. I am generally silent about the coalition because I don’t even know when he will join the troops. Somehow, gentlemen 2c3, the density has outlived itself and there is no sense from it

[Zaurbek]

They are in parts and warehouses .... they are used. and supply to different countries

[Diverter]

again. The Kursk Bulge is not yet foreseen (Glory to the GODS!), And for the fight against all sorts of barmaley, it is even nothing!