Polish press: The situation in Israel and the Gaza Strip has reached a "boiling point", Russia joins in

The world press is actively discussing the situation in the Middle East. This is a new round of the Arab-Israeli conflict, as a result of which there are casualties on both sides and destruction of civilian infrastructure. Israel is "pouring" rockets on the Gaza Strip, and Hamas's combat wing is trying to keep up, attacking Israeli territory with hundreds of missiles, many of which are missed by the Israeli multi-level missile defense system, without providing high guarantees of protection.

Against this background, unrest continues in a number of cities in Israel. So, cars were set on fire in Haifa, at least 60 injured were reported. Riots and clashes with the police manifested themselves on the night of May 13 in Hadera, Jizr al-Zarka in the north of the country. Several dozen people were detained. It is reported that they set fire to tires, threw stones at law enforcement officers, used firecrackers and smoke bombs.

Clashes continued in Lod, whose mayor recently described the situation as similar to a civil war.

In the press of different countries, the events are covered in different ways. While some are calling for de-escalation, others are unambiguously occupying one of the parties to the conflict, calling for decisive action.

The Polish press writes that the situation in Israel and the Gaza Strip "has reached a boiling point." Polish observer Piotr Byalchik notes that "Russia is entering the case, demanding the urgent convocation of the Madrid Four." This is a structure that includes representatives from the UN, Russia, the United States and the European Union).

The publication Wirtualna Polska writes that Sergei Lavrov is calling for the convening of such a format in order to end the violence in the confrontation between Israel and Palestine.

Earlier, Sergei Lavrov had a conversation with UN Secretary General Antonio Guteris. It is noted that the organization is ready to assist in de-escalation, including the end of violent actions in the area of ​​the Al-Aqsa mosque. At the same time, it is noted that the parties must stop the conduct of hostilities on the principle of reciprocity.

Several hours ago, the Russian Foreign Minister and the UN Secretary General held a press conference.

Comments

[Victor_B]

The situation in Israel and the Gaza Strip has reached a "boiling point", Russia steps in

From my couch you can see that Russia doesn’t fucking get into this witch’s cauldron!
Let the toad and the viper figure it out on their own ...
There is no right there.
Both sides are to blame!
It is not possible to reconcile them!

[novel66]

well, at least temporarily calm down so that people do not die

[For example]

Quote: novel xnumx

well, at least temporarily calm down so that people do not die

Why not think about Donbass?

Russian people are dying there.
Divided the Russian people into parts and arrange wars.

We got these traps. If a Jew died in Israel, it is a tragedy.
And the war in Donbass is a normal state for the West.

People in Odessa were burned - the whole west doesn't give a damn.

So I don't give a damn about the problems of the Jews. Let them all burn in the fire at least.

[novel66]

it's hard to argue too

[NIKN]

Hi Roma. There is something to object, of course 200% right For example
But in a situation, it is necessary to be present, preferably from the beginning, and not later when someone will appoint you a place. (This also applies to Donbass) Otherwise, you will only answer uncomfortable questions. like where were you then .... and you know what's the catch? in the question of where you were then in the fact that we were not there then and not how.

[novel66]

Hi Kolya the fact is that Donbass is our pain - and somewhere we can be impartial

[NIKN]

Roma I'm talking about the same, Donbass is closer, but with regards to the issue in the topic where we are not there, there is someone who decides. Were it not for us in Tajikistan, the Americans would have been there when the troops were withdrawn from Afghanistan ... well, something like that. It is necessary to be, and how is the question.

[novel66]

there are more enemies, we won't have time everywhere

[Nikon O'Conor]

let's not be Americans, poke our nose where we are not at all in business. I agree with Roman there are more pressing problems.

I'm talking about the same, Donbass is closer, but with regards to the issue in the topic where we are not there, there is someone who decides.

Someone decides everywhere ... We will not interfere when the Chunga-Changa tribe conquered and ate the Bungo-Ubungo tribe ...
I'm exaggerating, of course, I'm sorry I got into the conversation.
Sincerely

[NIKN]

The dilem is slightly in the other direction. The option "... my house is on the edge ..." already seemed to be ... the choice is for everyone and no one can prohibit it ... "choose ...
Best regards

[Pensive Lawyer]

The question of maintaining and increasing influence in various regions.
We call ourselves, and what can we be shy about, we are a superpower. So to speak, awakening after more than twenty years of sleep.
This status obliges us to behave accordingly. Of course, there is no need to go straight into the head, as the Soviets did. But we must designate our presence and participate in all significant squabbles.
Since in the European region we are unable to act effectively because of the Russophobia that has already taken root there during our "sleep", we are building up our influence where the attitude towards Russia is neutral - in Asia.
Considering that in Asia one can rather speak of the dislike of the population for the United States, our confrontation with them on a number of issues is even a plus.
It is important not to give Asia into the arms of China, but to divide zones of influence with it, especially given the fact that Asia is now very promising - in the future they will be able to compete with Europe for primacy on the continent.

[MSG363]

There were, and from the very beginning. It was Stalin's idea to create a Jewish state in that area, the British were naturally against, their zone of influence, consider a colony in the Middle East. The Americans were also not eager to create something there, the interests at that time were different. Stalin pushed through this project, the very Soviet Jews wanted to create a Jewish Autonomous Region in Crimea, this naturally did not smile at him. So he decided that there they belong, at the same time spoil the blood of the British. This is the history of Israel. Yes, in the first Arab-Israeli war, even weapons were thrown to the Jews, they say, help

[mojohed2012]

I agree with the inaction in Donbass. Here's the high-likes, impudent accusations of us blowing up ammunition depots in Europe and Ukraine suggest an idea.
Why are our MTRs sitting? Isn't it time to conduct sabotage operations in the Krajina? Or finance and organize local Krajinskie pro-Russian proxy guerrillas?
Providing local explosive devices, weapons and ammunition is an American tactic. Why are we so noble and honest, but they spit in our face and accuse us of the opposite, but we endure and do nothing? The Western world is vile, it is necessary to act more decisively, but not openly.

[For example]

Quote: mojohed2012

Why are we so noble and honest, but ...

Are you talking about the Russian people or about the political leadership?

[Victor_B]

Quote: mojohed2012

Providing local explosive devices, weapons and ammunition is an American tactic. Why are we so noble and honest, but they spit in our face and accuse us of the opposite, but we endure and do nothing? The Western world is vile, it is necessary to act more decisively, but not openly.

In fact, we have not owed anything to anyone for a long time!
Around CAPITALISM!
We too.
It's time to start playing according to their rules and spit in their insolent face!

[mojohed2012]

Here I am about the same. It is necessary to revive through the exploration of the Kharkov partisans of 14 years, the anti-Maidan movement in the belt of the pro-Russian regions of the South-East.

[vargo]

Quote: mojohed2012

we need to act more decisively, but not openly

Maybe you just do not hear about our actions just because they are "not open"?

[Nikon O'Conor]

I agree 100%. If the Russian Federation is accused of all sins, it is like an indulgence. Our "Petrovs and Boshirovs" can act freely. They hang everything on us, a couple more warehouses, 3 submarines and 10 military factories will not change the weather))
The main thing is NOT a NEWBOY !!!! He alone does not work ...))))

[Captain Pushkin]

A submarine ... a "newbie" ... in the ocean to float up belly ... Cool!

[Nikon O'Conor]

Just imagine the article "The Times":
A submarine of the Royal Navy of Great Britain surfaced belly up in the North Sea, poisoned by a Russian "novice". It is also reported that the crew of the boat is in serious condition, but nothing threatens their lives.
This will be the bottom

[Ren]

Quote: mojohed2012

Or finance and organize local Krajinskie pro-Russian proxy guerrillas?

Have you ever heard about:

Two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment!
And three Ukrainians are a partisan detachment with a traitor!

So it is problematic to partisan there, for example, among the Natsiks - every second informer of the SBU / MVD, although once UNA-UNSO (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) defended Transnistria, fighting for the Russian world and the right to speak their native Russian ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: For example

So I don't give a damn about the problems of the Jews. Let them all burn in the fire at least.

To say that I fully support, just decency does not allow ...
But in fact I agree! +

[Pensive Lawyer]

So we don't need to support Israel. On the contrary, you need to help Palestine.
Two birds with one stone - we will raise the attitude of Muslim countries and at the same time secure our territory - radicals in most cases will choose other countries for their anger and terrorist attacks.

[lis-ik]

Quote: For example

Why not think about Donbass?

There you will not collect advantages from partners, and so every barrel has a plug, only where it is not needed.

[zenion]

novel66. This will be until a new government is created without a king, or until the king is imprisoned.

[Ka-52]

From my couch you can see that Russia doesn’t fucking get into this witch’s cauldron!
Let the toad and the viper figure it out on their own ...

while the Jews were proud that they were bombing bleeding Syria, Hamas was leading a garage assembly of ersatz-RZSO right next to them. On roller skates, they blurt them out with the skill of an experienced grandmother, who prepares pickles for the winter.

[borberd]

Quote: Ka-52

while Jews were proud of bombing bleeding Syria

Wow, how much pathos. Syria as a whole state no longer exists and will not exist.

Quote: Ka-52

at their side, Hamas led a garage assembly of ersatz-RZSO

This is not a Hamas assembly, it is most likely factory-made Iranian missiles ferried through Egyptian tunnels.

[Ka-52]

Wow, how much pathos. Syria as a whole state no longer exists and will not exist.

and how does this justify Israel, you are not our pretentious?

This is not a Hamas assembly, it is most likely factory-made Iranian missiles ferried through Egyptian tunnels.

this is not an assembly Hamas or probably factory Iranian missiles? You made both a statement and an assumption in one sentence.

[hagen]

Quote: Victor_B

From my couch you can see that Russia doesn’t fucking get into this witch’s cauldron!

Since the early 2000s, we have been members of the Middle East Settlement Commission, and even earlier, we have actively worked in the Arab-Israeli direction. Are you suggesting to jump out and crawl to the side? The United States is only dreaming about it. This is already a matter of principle and preserving one's face before the Arab world and the world in general. While we are there in authority. Is it hard for you to carry it? I don't think you delved into the depth of the issue and the consequences of refusing to be active in it.

[For example]

Quote: Hagen

We have been members of the commission since the early 2000s

Who are we"?

And what have you achieved so far?

Russia has stopped the spread of terrorism in Syria.
The military did it.
The order was given and it was carried out.

Who are you and what are you doing?

The officials are in the dark. Every member of a commission.
And as soon as a roasted cock pecks in the bureaucratic ass, the army is forced to save these pecked ones.

What exactly did you do in your commission?

[NIKN]

Quote: For example

Who are we"?

And what have you achieved so far?

Great. That's why they did not achieve this because "...Who are we"

[hagen]

Quote: For example

Who are we"?

We are the USSR / Russia. The rest can be found on the net. Information is freely available. I am not doing an educational program for the illiterate.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Hagen

I don't think you delved into the depth of the issue and the consequences of refusing to be active in it.

Doesn't it bother you that this "activity" doesn't affect anything? The Yankees back up their initiatives with money, so that their proposals are beneficial to both sides. And the Russian Federation simply shakes the air with tautological rhetoric, since the 2000s, without achieving AT LEAST ANY result, in principle?

[hagen]

Quote: And Us Rat

Doesn't it bother you that this "activity" doesn't affect anything?

In fact, Russia saved the country from extinction in the Middle East. Russia is quite successfully resolving issues with OPEC. Without Russia, the Iranian deal would not have taken place at all, and the United States would not have done so publicly. And with complete confidence, political scientists from the EU declare that under today's Russia Yugoslavia would not have been bombed. There are enough weighty cases for which Russia’s opinion is heeded. And more confused by the fact that adults read "Murzilka" more than something more serious.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Hagen

In fact, Russia saved the country from extinction in the Middle East. Russia is quite successfully resolving issues with OPEC. Without Russia, the Iranian deal would not have taken place at all, and the United States would not have done so publicly. And with complete confidence, political analysts from the EU declare that under today's Russia Yugoslavia would not have been bombed. There are enough weighty cases for which Russia’s opinion is heeded.

Let's say, but how does all this relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict?
The fact is that Russian activity since the 2000s has a little less impact on the Arab-Israeli conflict than IN ANY WAY.
What is the point of continuing to try to climb where you are point-blank?

[hagen]

Quote: And Us Rat

Let's say, but how does all this relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict?

Are you asking about this out of curiosity, or do you want to demonstrate knowledge of the subject? The Arab-Israeli problem is the Middle East. You cannot be "places" there. Either you are there, you are everywhere. Either you are not "somewhere", and in other places you are nobody.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Hagen

Are you asking about this out of curiosity, or do you want to demonstrate knowledge of the subject? The Arab-Israeli problem is the Middle East. You cannot be "places" there. Either you are there, you are everywhere. Either you are not "somewhere", and in other places you are nobody.

Trying to find the logic. The very fact that the Russian Federation stubbornly climbs into the issue in which it frankly has no influence does not greatly contribute to improving its reputation on the world stage.
It's like shouting out your opinion through a closed door, behind which are negotiations that you were not allowed to enter.

[hagen]

Quote: And Us Rat

It's like shouting out your opinion through a closed door, behind which are negotiations that you were not allowed to enter.

You were there to state something so shocking? I don't think so ... Do you want to think that your country is "nothing"? For God's sake, count. Because you are really nothing, and nothing depends on your opinion. So it will not decrease ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Hagen

You were there to state something so shocking?

And I do not need to assert anything, I am voicing the facts, for all the years, since the collapse of the USSR, Israel simply ignores all Russian gestures in the sphere of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Ignores any statements by the Russian Foreign Ministry on this topic and rejects any proposals for mediation. .
Why continue to knock on the closed door that no one will open?

[moscowp]

Nobody pokes anywhere. The diplomats will meet, then, on behalf of the UN, they will issue a call for a mutual ceasefire, and offer mediation in the negotiations. Israel, as usual, will refuse mediation, this is where all the participation of the world community, including us, will end

[Piramidon]

Quote: Victor_B

From my couch you can see that Russia doesn’t fucking get into this witch’s cauldron!

So it seems that it does not bother, but why not speak from the rostrum of the UN. Do you really want to completely send Russia to the margins of international relations, sit quietly and be silent?

[prior]

If it is impossible to reconcile, then it is necessary to arm.
And until the last person who disagrees with the truce ...

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Victor_B

From my couch you can see that Russia doesn’t fucking get into this witch’s cauldron!

And you are doing the right thing! I know these Palestinians not by hearsay. In Europe, I somehow had to communicate with them. A huge mass of narkusha. They smoke grass like cigarettes. They don't like to work, but for that they accept help from Israel. They are dying of hunger but the children are stamped. I tell them, man, you starve and create children every year. They are on social security. Moreover, they are not peaceful. This is one side of the coin. I myself am from Azerbaijan (originally) a Muslim. They should and should have been, more elite Muslims, but in reality they say that we are brothers and we kiss passionately. Moreover, they help the Armenians, and in the Koran it is written that if a Muslim settles for the life and wealth of another Muslim, he will not even feel the smell of heaven. Lying Muslims are like the Persians. Therefore, show your friend and tell you who you are. Now let's talk about the Jews. There are many Jews living in Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan has very close relations with Israel. Many immigrants from Azerbaijan live there and to this day have warm relations and there are also lobbyists. Israel helped Azerbaijan with weapons of the 21st century. Thanks to Israel, Azerbaijan is restoring its territory. Israel helps and lobbies Azerbaijan all over the world. If this is not friendship, what is it? Therefore, more than 70% of the population in Azerbaijan is for Israel. Of course there are also against Israel, these are those who do not know what these Palestinians are. That is, if a Muslim is educated in his faith, he will never look at a Palestinian as a co-religionist. The only thing for me is that I feel sorry for the losses among the civilian population. Palestinians are like Armenians to me. Sly. They build their headquarters and warehouses in busy places, in the building and in the middle floors. Why? Are you hiding behind the civilian population? And these are people in your opinion? So, like that.

In the photo, Yasser Arafat's hot kiss with an Armenian priest. And these scenes are valid to this day.

[the finish]

Yes, you are "my friend" a fascist! And all your comments are strictly in one direction and smell like it!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: finish

Yes, you are "my friend" a fascist!

This is not the case that you can turn everything upside down.
See

And read
Meeting between Adolf Hitler and Jerusalem mufti Amin al-Husseini.
twice - in the summer of 1940 and in February 1941 - he sent his proposals to Berlin to sign an Arab-German cooperation agreement. In accordance with it, Germany had to recognize "the right of the Arab countries to resolve the Jewish question in accordance with their national interests."
Hitler asked the mufti to understand that the time had not yet come for an anti-British uprising. He noted that Germany is already at the gates of the North Caucasus (on November 22, the Wehrmacht took Rostov), ​​and intends to move forward. After the German army reaches the southern exit from the Caucasus, the path to the Middle East will open in front of it. Then the hour will strike for the liberation of the Arab people, and Germany will be able to destroy the Jewish element, preserved in the Arab sphere with the help of Great Britain.

Who is the fascist?
And who do you support?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: finish

Yes, you are "my friend" a fascist! And all your comments are strictly in one direction and smell like it!

Is the truth and facts already called that? Fascist? Hmm. strange.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: finish

Yes, you are "my friend" a fascist!

Said the man with a veiled swastika on his profile picture! And laughter and sin.

[bobwings]

I agree with every word.
I will add from myself that as a Jew, a native of Baku, I love and deeply respect Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, among whom there are many of my closest friends for many years.
We in Israel ardently support Azerbaijan, lobby, carry out explanatory work and much more.
Azerbaijanis and Jews have always supported each other in difficult times, ever since the March 18 events, when the Armenians massacred 10000 Azerbaijanis in their own country.
Our friendship is an example of correct relations between peoples.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: bobwings

I will add from myself that as a Jew, a native of Baku, I love and deeply respect Azerbaijan

Thank you. Everything is mutual !!! Azerbaijan is not only a friendly country for you, but also a home. Always welcome!!!!

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Victor_B

It is not possible to reconcile them!

and it is not a priority TASK for Russia ... Especially now !!!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Victor_B

that Russia doesn’t shit into this witch’s cauldron

Absolutely agree. There is no need to go where you were not invited, it brings nothing but problems. Russia has enough worries that require attention, in addition to other people's showdowns.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Victor_B

that Russia doesn’t shit into this witch’s cauldron

Absolutely agree. do not go where you were not invited. Russia has enough pressing concerns, in addition to other people's showdowns.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Oo my sofa refused to start at all, there are Merkavas and his seaworthiness in the desert is so-so

[Ross xnumx]

I read it and put it down. In this situation, my sofa stands parallel to Viktor Petrovich's sofa, and the thought:

Quote: For example

Why not think about Donbass?

Neither add nor add. The rest is pouring from empty to empty.

[A. Privalov]

There were still not enough Poles here. How are they sided with this conflict? Where a horse with a hoof goes, there is a cancer with a claw.
Abu Marzuk from the Hamas Politburo already phoned Bogdanov yesterday asking for help in negotiating a ceasefire with Israel. The Egyptians have traditionally been involved in indirect negotiations. Let's see what comes out of this swarm.

[Avior]

Aren't you surprised that the activities of the Russian Foreign Minister are covered by the Russian media for some reason according to the Polish press?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Avior

Aren't you surprised that the activities of the Russian Foreign Minister are covered by the Russian media for some reason according to the Polish press?

Not. Not surprising. This is the editorial choice of VO.
I assure you, if you wish, you can search the net for posts on this topic from Ethiopian, Malaysian and even Australian Aboriginal media.
Moreover, the further the narrators are from the point of events, the more completely exotic details the curious reader will learn.

[Avior]

and what exactly is exotic in the part of the article dealing with the "Polish press" that would justify a reference to it?

The Polish press writes that the situation in Israel and the Gaza Strip "has reached a boiling point." Polish observer Piotr Byalchik notes that "Russia is entering the case, demanding the urgent convocation of the Madrid Four." This is a structure that includes representatives from the UN, Russia, the United States and the European Union).

The publication Wirtualna Polska writes that Sergei Lavrov is calling for the convening of such a format in order to end the violence in the confrontation between Israel and Palestine.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Avior

what exactly is exotic in the part of the article that concerns the "Polish press" that would justify a reference to it?

Ask the editorial staff why, having two dozen Russian media accredited in Israel, she quotes Poles.

[Avior]

It is even more surprising that, based in Moscow, she writes about Lavrov from the words of the "Polish press."

if the stars light up -
means - it is necessary for someone?

[210ox]

Personally, it doesn't surprise me. This is at the instinct level of the Poles. At the word "Russia".

[Wedmak]

I’ll agree, there is nothing for us to get into this matter, let them figure it out themselves. Israel are heroes when it is necessary to bomb Syria from the sly ... well, let them figure it out for themselves.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Wedmak

I’ll agree, there is nothing for us to get into this matter, let them figure it out themselves. Israel are heroes when it is necessary to bomb Syria from the sly ... well, let them figure it out for themselves.

Did the Israelis ask someone to intervene?

[Wedmak]

I mean, we shouldn't go there. In general, even if they asked, it would be them, purely local showdowns. I have already expressed my opinion about Israel as a country and Israel's attitude to the surrounding countries.

[Krasnodar]

It is not necessary to climb there, I agree.

[parma]

Quote: Wedmak

I mean, we shouldn't go there. In general, even if they asked, it would be them, purely local showdowns. I have already expressed my opinion about Israel as a country and Israel's attitude to the surrounding countries.

We climb there ourselves, because Hamas are always welcome guests in Moscow, and their methods are not terrorist, but liberating according to our official point of view ... except for Syria, Iran and groups like Hamas, other political groups in the Middle East are now quite restrained and even friendly towards Israel ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnodar

Did the Israelis ask someone to intervene?

Israel will figure it out on its own, it has more experience in showdowns with the Falestins.

[Usher]

What does the Polish press have to do with it? What more authoritative sources do not exist?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Usher

What does the Polish press have to do with it? What more authoritative sources do not exist?

Apparently, the one who posted this message on VO was the first to come across a Polish article and he did not search further. True, he took the video about the press conference from the RT channel

[Boris55]

Perhaps Israel is the only country that cannot get along with its neighbors. They need to follow an example from us - ~ 200 nationalities and a sea of ​​confessions, but we live peacefully. Do not fence off with fences, but "smear" everyone, including ourselves, in an even layer throughout the entire territory. What prevents this is the conviction of one's exclusiveness and reliance on strength (on the 6th priority).
Devastation starts from the head.

[mojohed2012]

The Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah do not have the strength and means to defeat the Tsakhal in an open battle and throw the Jews into the sea. But they can hit tanks and armored vehicles of the IDF in street battles in buildings, knock out the infantry, holding the defense lines. Mine the paths of movement of the Tsakhal's columns.
All this, of course, is bad and people are dying, but if we consider the very facts of the conduct of hostilities by both sides, then there is not much confidence that the IDF will easily suppress the attacks of the Palestinians on Israel with the introduction of troops. There, in fact, there is a civil war, but the Tsakhal is not Israel's defense army, but the Jews. Palestinians there are considered goyim and aliens from the very beginning of the creation of Israel. And they consider the Jews to be invaders and occupiers. So there is a whirlwind of incessant conflicts.

[Boris55]

Quote: mojohed2012

And they consider the Jews to be invaders and occupiers.

Aren't they right? We came in large numbers here from Europe and began to bend our fingers ...

[Professor]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: mojohed2012

And they consider the Jews to be invaders and occupiers.

Aren't they right? We came in large numbers here from Europe and began to bend our fingers ...

Explain this card pliz. Can not understand anything.

[Boris55]

Quote: professor

It's unclear.

I don't read English, but a few words are clear without translation.

To integrate and to integrate ourselves is the future of all mankind.
An example of peaceful coexistence of the peoples of the planet in the future is Russia.

[Professor]

Quote: Boris55

I don't read English, but a few words are clear without translation.

Well .... it's not in English. At all. Of course, a few words are understandable. I even understood all the words, but I just didn't understand the meaning of these cards.

For example, on the first map the marked territories of "Jews" and "Palestinians". This is misleading because in 1947 it was the Jews who were called "Palestinians". Have you seen Golda Meir's passport? Moreover, the entire territory was under the British Mandate.

The second map shows the "Plan for the partition of Palestine" which the Jews accepted, but the Arabs are still not ready to accept. There was no talk of any Arab "Palestine". This name was invented only in 1964.

The third map shows Fylystyn in 1967, but the Arab part was then occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

I still do not understand what you wanted to say with these cards?

Quote: Boris55

To integrate and to integrate ourselves is the future of all mankind.

Amen. Are you integrating into Europe or China?

Quote: Boris55

An example of peaceful coexistence of the peoples of the planet in the future is Russia.

No comment.

[Piramidon]

Quote: professor

No comment.

If the "bearers of democracy" hadn't interfered with us ... Who constantly pours kerosene into ethnic strife? Everything comes from the outside.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: professor

This is misleading because in 1947 it was the Jews who were called "Palestinians". Have you seen Golda Meir's passport? Moreover, the entire territory was under the British Mandate.

Here is her press conference where she talks about it

“I basically deny that as far as the Palestinians are concerned, I think that everyone who lives here, who was in the country before the war of independence, we are all Palestinians, fact, I have an old passport. 21 'to 48'

[2 Level Advisor]

"What hinders this - the conviction in its exclusivity and reliance on strength"
This is not only an Israeli invention .. Some countries of the world behave in the same way ..

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Boris55

They need to follow an example from us - ~ 200 nationalities and a sea of ​​confessions, but we live peacefully.

Oh, not to jinx it!
In 88, in Sumgait, I practically felt the fruits of the "peaceful coexistence" of peoples in the USSR. I happened to be there at that moment on a business trip from Nefteprommash. An unforgettable experience, I will tell you ...
Of course, the time has flown by, the USSR in the past, and Sumgait in a completely different country. But in general, people have not changed for the better over the years, on the contrary, alas ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Boris55

Devastation starts from the head.

I cannot disagree and will even support it with documents.
Palestinian National Charter
July 17 1968 city
Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This is a general strategy, not just a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people declare their absolute determination and firm resolve continue their armed struggle and strive for an armed people's revolution for the liberation of their country and his return to it
Article 21: Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves in armed Palestinian revolution, rejects all decisions that replace the full liberation of Palestine, and rejects all proposals aimed at eliminating the Palestinian problem or its internationalization

A total of 32 points, which were drawn up with the help of the USSR, after the defeat in the Six Day War.
Realizing that military force would not work, they switched to undermining the state of Israel.

[cniza]

At the same time, it is noted that the parties must stop the conduct of hostilities on the principle of reciprocity.

And there are no other options, sooner or later, but this will happen, the sooner the fewer people will suffer ...

[Alien From]

Only the Polish nose was missing there ...

[Dikson]

Hamas reported that Kornetom destroyed the Merkava with a crew .. - direct hit, the tower was blown off .. there is no video confirmation of Israel's reaction to this ..

[Krasnodar]

This is avia.pro posted

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Dikson

Hamas reported that Kornetom destroyed the Merkava with a crew .. - direct hit, the tower was blown off .. there is no video confirmation of Israel's reaction to this ..

Duck.

[APASUS]

“Russia is entering the business,

Petrov and Bashirov ................ Do the Poles know how to attract Russians to the conflict?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: APASUS

Do the Poles know how to attract Russians to the conflict?

In this case, it seems that they know. This is already part of karma - to say "ha-ta-ta" to the kids who are playing pranks in the sandbox and put everyone on their own pot.
And then the tomboys completely dispersed: they throw pencils at each other, the Easter cakes trample ... fidgets, in a word.

[Vladyka Ecumenical]

As far as the Middle East or especially Israel is concerned, Russia is the first to rush to solve problems. And as for the case of our brothers from Donbas, then 7 years of indistinct mooing, all sorts of Minsk and Normandy, and at this time the brothers die every day.
I also have a younger brother and I cannot imagine that he is somewhere (fought / fought alone), but I stayed away and supported him only with words.

[Revolver]

Russia should not interfere in the showdown between Israel and the plasticines, and Israel should not interfere in the showdown between Russia and the Banderostan. By the way, when there was a vote in the UN condemning the "occupation" of Crimea by the Russian Federation, the Israeli delegation was absent. To vote against the condemnation organized by the Obama administration meant to exacerbate already not the best relations with this Kenyan, but also to spoil relations with Russia and personally with Putin is also not the best option. So they just didn't show up.

[tralflot1832]

I believe that on the part of Israel there is an inappropriate use of force, either against the Gaza Strip or against the Palestinians on its territory! These are the fruits of double standards.

[Krasnodar]

That's the problem - too adequate. For Hamas, the bulk of its headquarters and warehouses are located on or below the middle floors of residential high-rise buildings. The Israelis first inform the residents of the impending bombing via SMS and phone calls, giving them time to evacuate, which becomes known to the militants and their leadership. Thus, in most cases, it is not possible to cover a large accumulation of pseudo-Islamists and their weapons.

[tralflot1832]

And only Gaza is shooting, is there still Palestine next to Jerusalem? The one that is hiding, or is simply hanging on the Israeli budget. And on the local Arabs in Israel, protesters with stones against the police state, tell me. I'll give a parallel with Belarus, based on Western politicians. ...

[Krasnodar]

She doesn't rock the boat, as she snapped off well at the beginning of the 40s, and now she feels pretty good, incl. on Israeli grandmothers (Jews are not the main sponsor). As regards the local Arabs in Israel, their speeches are not political, but nationalistic, now there are interethnic clashes, wounded by both Jews and Arabs. From the police gets to both. Arabs burn cars and synagogues, Jews beat Arabs and smash their shops. Hindus and Muslims at the end of the XNUMXs of the last century, something like

[tralflot1832]

Why didn't it work with Gaza for shekels. Or they border on Egypt, not Syria.

[Krasnodar]

What does Syria have to do with it?
It borders Israel, without intersecting with the Palestinians.
With Gaza - in 2005 there were general Palestinian elections, Fatah won. Hamas won on the territory of Gaza - so in a couple of weeks they massacred about 2 thousand Fatahs and took power. In 2006, they captured an Israeli tanker by shooting his fellow soldiers, so Israel, for its part, arranged a blockade on them. Since then, there have been showdowns of varying intensity.

[tralflot1832]

And the eastern borders of Palestine with whom, with Syria, probably. And who in Syria you are trying to bomb, not the Iranians, and their logistic base. Well, you have a peace treaty with Egypt, and you won’t go anywhere from it. Especially Sinai is the fiefdom of the bearded. , so you have to endure for the sake of treaties. Everything is decided by the politicians and not the citizens who chose them. Only two options are approved or not.

[Krasnodar]

With Jordan. Iranians are bombed in Syria - what have the Palestinians got to do with it? In the fight against ISIS, Israel is helping Egypt. Well, in Israel, over the past two years, five, in my opinion, elections have passed, so everything is not so simple

[tralflot1832]

I apologize, I have never been in such a hole in the world and will never be. This region should be viewed on a world map with a microscope. I know Algeria, I know Cyprus with France and Spain. I don’t know Palestine.

[Krasnodar]

Well, how - the Motherland of Christianity

[tralflot1832]

This is where the Jews chose Barrabas for the place of Christ. Even I do not really believe. There is a creator, but on Alpha Centauri it sounds different. Yes, hard times in the Middle East.

[Krasnodar]

Well, about Barrabas for the places of Jesus, I personally do not believe, since the mention of such a custom in historical and religious literature is mute from the word at all, but I do not pretend to be one hundred percent knowledge))
Gd is one for all - I agree. But tsimes is different - the moral and ethical basis of modern civilization was created there, even though Palestine itself is a hole in the BV. About hard times - no, they were harder.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, it's been five years in Israel in the last two years, in my opinion

So far four, but you are not very mistaken, I think by the fall there will be fifth.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: tralflot1832

And the eastern borders of Palestine with whom, with Syria, probably.

And it's not destiny to open the card? Is this an overwhelming task for you?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

For Hamas, the bulk of its headquarters and warehouses are located on the middle floors of residential high-rise buildings or under them.

This is the building where the middle echelon of the Hamas commanders lived. The middle floors were occupied by the operations planning headquarters, the commander of the communications system, and the logistics and supply department.
In the basement of the house, a warehouse of weapons and missiles.
A dummy was released on the roof of the building so that they would leave this building, they already know that there are 20-25 minutes for evacuation well, and after

First, they were engaged in inciting the inhabitants of East Jerusalem, then they fired rockets at Jerusalem, they opened an account, but now they are paying.

[Krasnodar]

Yes I know. Is everything calm in cities with a non-mixed population?

[prior]

It's time for Iran to take part and "thank" Israel for "all that is good."

[I'm walking by]

And with music cease to exist? I'm for that. But you are probably expecting something else? Do you really think that a couple of thousand militants will suddenly make the Iranian army stronger than the Israeli one?)

[tralflot1832]

It's too early, not all of the AA defenses are used up. But your guess may be true. The Palestinians endure AA defenses.

[Krasnodar]

Against the Iranian attack, other air defense weapons will be used that have not yet been used

[tralflot1832]

Someone calculated that 1600 cassams have been used. Iran is not up to your turmoil now, 500 billion of Chinese investments are at stake. Erdogan is closer to this topic. 200 tons of pipes are more convenient to deliver from Turkey than from Iran. If you follow the laws of logistics.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, not only and not so much Kassams are - Katyushas, ​​Grads, Fajers (Iranian Katyusha with an improved engine), etc. The Turks are not playing with the supply of weapons - Israel can begin to intensively help the Turkish Kurds, and intercept the ships. ))

[tralflot1832]

And you have intercepted many Turkish and Iranian ships that are under escort to Haifa for inspection. If your Navy is not engaged in this, then politicians need the people to live in fear.

[Krasnodar]

Several Iranian intercepted

[tralflot1832]

With a factory in Haifa for inspection, or it was limited to pturs in a container on the move. Marine traffic speaks only about shelling of Iranian ships, it is not known by whom and it is not known what. The smart will understand.

[Krasnodar]

With the delivery to the port of Ashdod and the demonstration of confiscated weapons and ammunition)).

[tralflot1832]

Please provide the ISO number, the affiliation is calculated for two times! Even a photo is not needed. It looks like two buses of compromising evidence on Iran.

[Krasnodar]

Offhand
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Карин_А

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

Offhand

[tralflot1832]

And what kind of container? The deckhouse of the photo of the ship from which these containers were removed! 27 years of the sea, you can't fool me!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

? the deckhouse of the photo of the ship from which these containers were removed!

Under the Panamanian flag, Klos-C is escorted to the southern Israeli port of Eilat by Israeli warships ( seen in the photo below) On March 8, 2014, after being intercepted by the Israeli fleet, the military said it was transporting advanced missiles from Iran to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip. Israeli naval commandos hijacked the ship on March 5, 2014 in the Red Sea between Eritrea and Sudan. The Israeli flag is visible on the boat in the foreground.

Quote: tralflot1832

photo of the ship

If it's a steamboat, then I'm a diesel locomotive

[tralflot1832]

I need a sign under the navigator's room to know the history of this steamer. It should be there. Otherwise, it's the "Flying Dutchman".

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

I need a plaque under the navigator's room to know the history of this steamer.

A-A-A-A-A!
Or maybe bring this plate on a plate with a blue border?
You are not looking for suckers there!

[tralflot1832]

Do not consider us as suckers of Russian sailors! There is no sign, no precedent.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

! No sign, no precedent.

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2021/04/report-outlines-how-iran-smuggles-arms-hamas
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26451421
https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/international-enforcement-actions/israel-intercepts-ship-red-sea-carrying-iranian-weapons-gaza
THE WHOLE WORLD IS STUPID!
WE ARE RUSSIAN SEAFARERS
AND IN ISRAEL THERE IS A JEWISH MOSSAD!

[tralflot1832]

We have seen how your Mossad is working since Monday.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

Erdogan is closer to this topic. 200 tons of pipes are more convenient to deliver from Turkey than from Iran, if you follow the laws of logistics.

And where will they put them in the port of Ashdod?
Once they already tried to do this, received 11 corpses and broke off relations with Israel, and today the "sultan" wants to make peace with Israel, but so far they have not even spoken to him on this topic.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

Palestinians endure air defense.

At this stage, the coffins are being taken out.

Quote: tralflot1832

But your guess may be valid.

What would you understand.
In the Gaza Strip, 2,1 million people live, Hamas is about 40 thousand. For the sake of these monsters, no one will go to use the weapons that can be used in a war against a hostile state.
In Gaza, strikes are being made on a bank of military targets, the following targets are the symbols of Hamas, banks, ministry buildings, and if this is not enough, a ground operation is being prepared.
Everything will be done so that Hamas would only lick its wounds for 10 years.

[Krasnodar]

G-d grant it to be so, but remembering Bibi from the previous "rounds", then I doubt it. A serious ground operation is needed, it is necessary to take control of entire sections of the Sector, demolish all buildings, if not the quarters from which Israeli soldiers are being fired, and other very tough actions for which Bibi does not have a sufficient size of the primary sex characteristics, with artillery.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

G-d grant it to be so, but remembering Bibi from the previous "rounds", then I doubt it.

You are right 100%
Now everything looks different
Previously, all the time they looked around what they would say in America and Europe and were careful.
In 2014, they began to demolish high-rise buildings with headquarters for 51 days, no targeted liquidations were carried out.
Now on the third day, there are no skyscrapers and headquarters, 10 commanders of your flight and about 30 commanders of different levels have been destroyed, they know the tunnels where they are hiding and blew them up, they remained there.
Sem groups with Cornets have been destroyed today. Artillery works on the squares where the settlers lived. The call-up of 7000 reservists has just been announced and vacations from the bases have been closed. When asked whether a ground operation would be launched, the IDF information representative answered unequivocally, YES!
When asked if there was pressure from the United States and Europe to stop the operation, the answer was unequivocally NO, but on the contrary, everyone said that Israel has every right to respond to a missile salvo at the capital and the civilian population.
Let's see how we know politicians are the same women with reduced social responsibility, but in public office.
very harsh actions for which Bibi does not have a sufficient size of the primary sexual characteristics.
This is the last "nightingale song" of his
He won the crown.
And now they took off their masks and put on their helmets.
THE MILITARY OFFICE ACCEPTS UNANIMOUSLY CONTINUE

[Krasnodar]

Inshallah, as the neighbors say))

[Knell wardenheart]

Their problems are now above the roof, and to climb into it. Hamas has the resources for hundreds of stupid missiles that will shit on a penny once again, and in order to equip life or just PREPARE NORMALLY at least once - yes, never.
Even if this issue is resolved diplomatically, it will come out again after a while, how not to regulate. A stupid occupation and fortunately this is NOT OUR PROBLEM.

[Brother]

THE MOST ORDINARY GENOCIDE! and THIS IS THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE LEADERS OF THE STATE.

[borberd]

The state of Palestine never existed in history, so nothing could be lost in principle. Yes, and all this territory did not belong to the Arabs, but to the British and were ruled by them. Therefore, the pictures with the alleged plasticine card are fake. Ayelet Shaked never said such words, so this is a fake.

[Brother]

Nuuu ... yes, the UN decision on the state of Israel and the state of Palestine hmm ... for you "not a decree"
My mom was 9 years old (1941-1942) was in the occupation. And in front of her eyes, a Wehrmacht soldier took a newly born small child by the leg and threw it out of the way ... the child died.
... How it happened he worked in Germany ... and talked with an elderly German (most likely somewhere around the age of his parents) .. about my story what my grandmother told me, he also said the same as you - "This is a fake"

[Iris]

The UN decision was a "refusal" to the Arabs themselves. They did not even think to agree with him - and why, if the Jews can be thrown into the sea? Therefore, instead of forming a "state of Palestine", they attacked by forces of the armed forces of five countries exactly the day after the proclamation of the state of Israel.
But now they love to remember this decision, 70 years later.
Your stale leftist propaganda has nothing to do with either the past or the present of the state of Israel.

[borberd]

As far as I remember, the names of the states were not named there, it was about the division into a Jewish and a potentially Arab state. Moreover, the territory for the Arab state was seized by Jordan. And from 1948 to 1967 it held this territory. Until Israel recaptured it in 1967.So yes, fake cards, and Arab wishlist.

[Alexfly]

Russia must definitely deal with the Israeli issue, at the very least, but up to 20% of immigrants from the USSR live there .. So their children will also think about their origins .. Why mold enemies right from the cradle?

[Shahno]

The ground operation is getting closer ...
And He watches everything ..

[Ovsigovets]

Our dear Israelis ... Jews .... but let’s figure it out and don’t make the nerves "TO THE WHOLE WORLD COMMUNITY" ...... otherwise the Poles have already "pacified"))))))))))) ))))))))

[Gunther]

Of course it is bad that anti-Semites are genocidal against Semites-Palestinians, but getting involved in this showdown, despite Putin's statement, is stupid, let Rejeperdogan, as a "defender of Islam", climb there, but without Russia.

[Alexander Malyshenkov]

Well, judging by the fact that Jews in our media run the country, they think we will not help the Jews or not)