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The incident in Kazan and government patriotism

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Source: VK


The events in Kazan on May 11, 2021, which affected the entire country, of course, must not be forgotten, conclusions must be drawn. Do not tighten up the turnover weapons, not to turn the country into a zone of "prison romanticism" with ubiquitous cameras, bars, fences and guards. And to engage in the upbringing of the younger generation, genuine upbringing, and not "official", as it is now.

It's about the state of society itself


Major General of the FSB, retired Alexander Mikhailov saidthat the tightening of arms turnover is completely ineffective. He quite rightly noted that firearms are not always used in such terrorist, extremist and psychopathological attacks. For example, when jihadists, religious radicals staged their acts in European countries, they often used knives, axes or vehicles, directing it to crowds of people. It is impossible to prohibit ordinary household items, tools, materials (you can kill with a brick).

The main problem, according to Mikhailov, is the "state of society itself," which lives in an "absolutely electrified atmosphere." In particular, in 2020, amid "covid psychosis" and all kinds of prohibitions, doctors and sociologists around the world noted an increase in mental illness and social tension. People are in the grip of prohibitions, falling incomes, constant stress, intimidation by the threat of death, a virus, "go crazy". In response, society received a wave of suicides, a pandemic of aggression and psychosis around the world.

FSB General Mikhailov also noted the following:

“All the proposals that are being voiced today are purely cosmetic in nature, which, by and large, has nothing to do with the security system. Because the previous terrorist acts have exhausted the measures that could be taken in the state to ensure the safety of not only schoolchildren and kindergartens, but also objects of mass gathering of people. "

Indeed, remember the atmosphere of Soviet society and the then level of security of an ordinary citizen and a child. Open areas of kindergartens and schools, where families with small children and teenagers could walk. Schools where children, parents and teachers shared tea. Who are now banned and are immediately surprised - why there is no mutual understanding, friendship between children in the classes? Hiking to lakes and rivers, trips to theaters and circuses, when there was no need to fill out a million pieces of paper. General bureaucratization has strangled the normal interaction of kindergartens, schools, children and parents in the bud. Solid bureaucracy, which must be confirmed with a piece of paper from the relevant authorities.

Imitation of vigorous activity


Gardens and schools were closed with ugly fences, like railway stations, cameras were stuck. Now they want to plant guards with weapons in every school. Tens of thousands of schools and kindergartens. Tens of billions of rubles will have to be spent on this. Thousands of healthy men will be sitting on a good salary, in isolation from the real economy. The money was obviously taken out of the pockets of the parents, under a plausible pretext. They will take additional measures to prohibit the circulation of weapons, create new difficulties for law-abiding, respectable people. At the same time, bandits and sociopaths do not experience problems with how to find weapons.

The whole country was turned into a zone of "prison romanticism". Bars, fences, cameras and security. And what has become safer? Not! Under Stalin, it was possible to go to the utility store and simply, without inquiries and control, buy smooth-bore weapons and cartridges. No problem. This is how the Stalinist government "feared" the people. Under the tsars, it was possible to buy rifled weapons in the gun store. Nobody was afraid that the "drunken Russians" would shoot each other or go to organize an uprising. At the same time, the level of security in the USSR or in Tsarist Russia was much higher than in modern Russia. There were no huge hordes of officials controlling every step and sneeze.

Modern Switzerland or Israel are examples of a people armed to the teeth. The crime rate is very low. Ideally, a weapon permit could be issued after serving in the army, or after graduating from a university with a military department. Thus, to strengthen discipline and responsibility in society. Why are Russians worse than Americans or Swiss? The authorities, apparently, following the example of the West, consider us "Russian barbarians", from whom it would be nice to take away their axes and knives?

Thus, tightening arms turnover is not an option. As is the security in all schools. This is an imitation of violent activity, "screwing nuts". The question is in the culture and morality of society, in the attitude of the authorities to the people.

Morality at the bottom


You really need to educate the younger generation. Eliminate social injustice. Stop looking to the West, bet on the Russian language, culture and history... To educate the entire population. And the bureaucratic corps should be an example. What example is being shown now? Theft, the bet on the "golden calf", where the "chosen ones", to whom the law is not written, are the rich. Who are the idols, the idols of the crowd? All sorts of artists, pop stars, models, social media idols. Moreover, if you study their biography, then these are usually alcoholics, drug addicts, who took all kinds of drugs, harlots and perverts, sociopaths. People on whom there is nowhere to put brands.

Now in liberal, "elite" circles it is customary to condemn Soviet reality, the Soviet Union. To say that nothing but galoshes was produced there. However, everyone born in the USSR knew and remembered real, genuine heroes - the Great Patriotic War, labor, cosmonauts, pilots, outstanding scientists, travelers, prominent statesmen. What now? The "heroes" of the society were figures of decadent art, pop music - a substitute for genuine culture. In social networks, the most popular personalities are those who compete in degradation, debauchery. Who knows the heroes of the war in Syria? Modern leaders in production, astronauts, pilots, scientists, doctors and teachers? It seems that there is no education, no science, no space, no production, no armed forces in the country. Only livestock nets. All thoughts of getting your daily bread and entertainment. There is nothing else! We live by inertia, on the remains of a base created in Soviet civilization. On the outskirts of the "civilized world".

What are young people proud of? What examples is she being brought up on? Where does the wave of violence and suicide among young people come from? Where do the senseless and bloody massacres against children and children against children come from? Millions of law enforcement officers and security officials are engaged only in eliminating the consequences of emergency situations that have already occurred, imitation of activities, "tightening the screws." The morality of society collapsed to the bottom. The “godless” Soviet society was much cleaner and healthier. Instead of robotics and chess clubs, there are now "registrations" and striptease.

Formal patriotism


Youth policy has failed. Official, formal patriotism cannot replace genuine. Especially when social elevators don't work. Every year we have more and more billionaires and multimillionaires, they are getting richer, and 80% of the people are getting poorer. Law of energy conservation. If it decreases somewhere, then in another place it will definitely arrive. Therefore, it should come as no surprise that the majority of young people adhere to an opposition attitude. And he votes "with his feet", preferring to go abroad, or plans to leave as soon as possible.

State patriotic organizations keep only on minimal funding, they are loose and weak. There is no real ideology. People will not fight for money (when there is an opportunity to run into an answer). At the same time, even in these organizations there is no real patriotic, technical and physical training, which was available in the Soviet Union. Parachute jumps, glider flights and shooting clubs are too expensive for ordinary teenagers under the rule of capitalism.
The only remaining goal in modern Russia is to get a good job, for a lot of money! And that's it, there is nothing else! All the rest is verbiage. Capitalism, a consumer society ("golden calf"), constant search and pursuit of pleasures (hedonism) destroy our society, primarily youth, children, our future. From this vicious system, officials grow, despising the people and creeping before those who are of higher rank. The most terrible Russophobes, cosmopolitans and Westernizers are not in the countries of Western Europe, the USA, the Baltic states or in the Ukraine, they are “our” officials who despise and hate the people, Russia. Which take their families, children and capital abroad, and in Russia "work".

How can you talk about the patriotic education of children, youth and the people in general, when representatives of the "elite" of Russia, officials, judges, deputies, senators and their relatives prefer to rest and live in the West? There they set up "alternate airfields." The people receive a beggarly existence and formal patriotism.

We are taught patriotism by people who have palaces in Russia and abroad, multi-million dollar incomes, children and grandchildren who study in the best universities and schools in Europe and the United States. At the same time, our Motherland is rapidly dying out, and the authorities either do not notice this process, or bring in migrants and give penniless handouts to families who cannot fundamentally solve the situation.

Solid imitation instead of real deeds.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 14 May 2021 10: 10
    +60
    State patriotism is especially pronounced on May 9. They hid the mausoleum. They modestly kept silent about the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Marshals of Victory, members of the State Defense Committee. And who is rewriting history here? Who won the war? They eat through their teeth - the Soviet Union. And who was in charge of it? Who commanded the fronts and armies? Or were they not? Did some penal battalions fight?
    By arms. Why is it that in the countryside, where weapons to the devil, no one shoots schools? In villages, villages, townships, small towns? How do the inhabitants of these settlements differ from the inhabitants of megalopolises?
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 14 May 2021 10: 21
      +2
      This is Kazan. There, under the union, youth gangs killed people on the street. On August 31, 1978, members of "Tyap-Lyap" staged a massive run in the Kazan region. At approximately 20:30, from the side of the River Station, a group of about 50 teenagers, armed with firearms and metal bars, began beating and shooting at all living things. The crowd swept across the area. The bandits acted harmoniously - divided into small groups, they spread down the lanes, leaving behind crippled people, broken windows and set fire to cars. The result of the run - several dozen wounded and two killed. The victims unexpectedly told law enforcement officers that they had no complaints about the bandits.

      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 14 May 2021 10: 27
        +12
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        This is Kazan. There, under the union, youth gangs killed people on the street. On August 31, 1978, members of "Tyap-Lyap" staged a massive run in the Kazan region. At approximately 20:30, from the side of the River Station, a group of about 50 teenagers, armed with firearms and metal bars, began beating and shooting at all living things. The crowd swept across the area. The bandits acted harmoniously - divided into small groups, they spread down the lanes, leaving behind crippled people, broken windows and set fire to cars. The result of the run - several dozen wounded and two killed. The victims unexpectedly told law enforcement officers that they had no complaints about the bandits.


        Youth gangs were all over the country.
        Certainly not as developed as in Kazan.
        But in Kuibyshev (now Samara) in the years 85-88, hundreds of teenagers also walked.
        "Metallurg" went to "Square", "Square" to "Mashstroy", "Pyatnashka" to "Metallurg" ...
        Hundreds, armed with rebar, sticks, explosives.
        We went to a foreign area and beat every local youngster there.
        Cars turned sometimes, but rarely.
        If along the way there was an adult who was beginning to "bullish" - he got the same thing.
        I saw it myself - it was a part of my youth.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 14 May 2021 11: 16
          +4
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Youth gangs were all over the country.

          Take it earlier!

          Fist fights on Shrovetide. The fight was fought wall to wall, that is, by teams. Here it was impossible to use weapons, to beat a prone and fight could only be done with fists. Two villages could fight each other, residents of opposite ends of one large village, monastery peasants with landowners, and so on. The fight itself was divided into three stages, at first the boys fought, after them not married young men, and at the end the adults already stood in the wall.
          Then gradually, over the centuries, everything was transformed into carnage, they forgot about the rules, they began to simply kill. Wild people!
          At the stage of the USSR, such carnage is evidence of the inaction of the police, perhaps it was even beneficial to someone.
          In Ukraine, carnage from everyday motivation (someone else's street, district, etc.) has grown (with the help of someone) into a political plane. This is how the Nazis appeared.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 14 May 2021 13: 23
            +13
            Am I the only one who noticed a certain dissonance in the author?
            At the beginning of the article, Switzerland is mentioned, where weapons are a dime a dozen, and crime is low.
            And a little later, the author suggests "stop looking at the West" ...
            Doesn't fit like that ...
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 14 May 2021 15: 55
              +5
              After reading this article by Samsonov and the comments to it, I understood why they gave me a bunch of minuses in the commentary on the previous article.

              Kazan dude crazydeciding that he was God, he bought a gun and went to kill. There have always been such fiends, maniacs and murderers. That under tsarism, that in the USSR, that in the new Russia. Chikatilo, "Bitsevsky maniac" (he forgot his last name), "Kerch shooter", ... there were a lot of them! And is it possible that the kings and leaders of the state are personally to blame for all the crimes?

              In the previous article on this topic, I wrote that the local leaders are to blame for not taking all the security measures, and I proposed specific measures to prevent such shootings. And they threw cons for it! Silently, without opposition. Someone this very did not suit! Now it is clear that: both Samsonov and the Achtivists who went underground believe that they are to blame in everything only Putin! Putin and only Putin!

              Once again, it remains to be regretted that there is no indicator of who votes and how!
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 May 2021 18: 16
                +2
                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                believe that only Putin is to blame for everything! Putin and only Putin

                The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame.
                Nothing new.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 14 May 2021 22: 07
                  +4
                  Cat threw kittens
                  How are yours cleverly. The kings were responsible for everything in the country, the general secretaries were responsible. Putin has nothing to do with it.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 May 2021 22: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    The kings were responsible for everything in the country, the general secretaries were responsible.

                    And millions of citizens have nothing to do with it. Really clever.
                    1. Normal
                      Normal 16 May 2021 16: 42
                      +3
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And millions of citizens have nothing to do with it.

                      So after all "The cat abandoned kittens - millions are to blame" does not sound. Is not it?
                      Responsibility is always personified if it is real, and not just declared for propaganda purposes.
                      Responsibility cannot be placed on millions of citizens if, at the same time, the rulers of these citizens are removed from responsibility.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 May 2021 17: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Normal
                        Responsibility cannot be placed on millions of citizens if

                        If a particular psycho killed someone, then this is the fault of a particular psycho. If a particular worker makes a marriage, then a particular worker is to blame.
                        Quote: Normal
                        Responsibility is always personified if it is real, and not just declared for propaganda purposes.

                        But many people love to shout on every occasion that the tsar / general secretary / president is to blame for everything, but not himself.
                      2. Normal
                        Normal 16 May 2021 18: 37
                        +4
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That's just ....

                        Brief essence of the article, extract:
                        The point is in the state of society itself.
                        The main problem ...... lies in the "state of society itself", which lives in an "absolutely electrified atmosphere."
                        Imitation of violent activity.
                        The whole country was turned into a zone of "prison romanticism". Bars, fences, cameras and security ...
                        Morality is at the bottom.
                        Formal patriotism
                        Youth policy has failed.

                        Reality is described, isn't it? Are the paints thickened?
                        Then name the reasons why a particular psycho is not the first time (the Kerch events of 2018) arranges a massacre and no one and nothing stops him.
                        Trend.
                        Now who is to blame for this. A concrete psycho is undoubtedly and no one denies this, but he is only the final link in the chain of circumstances that led to the tragedy.
                        But who created the conditions in which this became possible?
                        Millions of citizens?
                        No.
                        The main directions of policy, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, are determined by the President. Not a specific worker who drives marriage, but the President.
                        And here begins the holy fool's ritual - "the cat abandoned the kittens"
                        And when a legitimate rejection of this ritual is expressed
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        Putin has nothing to do with it.

                        You are trying to steer the conversation aside.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And millions of citizens have nothing to do with it. Really clever.

                        In this particular case, it really has nothing to do with it. In any case, if nothing to do with the President, then the citizens who have not been exposed by the authorities, who are deprived of the right to the Constitutional Court and therefore the right to armed self-defense from crazy psychos, are not at all to blame for this situation. Even if they are chasing a marriage somewhere.
                        Psychos kill ordinary citizens and their children, and the President, who determines the policy in which this became possible, is well guarded.
                        Therefore, a cat with abandoned kittens is completely irrelevant here.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 May 2021 19: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Normal
                        The point is in the state of society itself.
                        The main problem,

                        Chikatilo lived in what kind of society? And the rest of the killer maniacs from the USSR?
                        Quote: Normal
                        Psychos kill ordinary citizens and their children, and the President, who determines the policy in which this became possible, is well guarded.

                        Do you want the head of state not to be guarded? Hmm ...
                        Quote: Normal
                        then citizens who have not been exposed by the authorities, who are deprived of the right to the Constitutional Court and, therefore, the right to armed self-defense from crazy psychos are not at all to blame for this situation

                        So what? Nobody blames them for this. The conversation started with this
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        The Kazan dude got crazy, deciding that he was God, bought a gun and went to kill. There have always been such fiends, maniacs and murderers. That under tsarism, that in the USSR, that in the new Russia. Chikatilo, "Bitsevsky maniac" (he forgot his last name), "Kerch shooter", ... there were a lot of them! And is it possible that the kings and leaders of the state are personally to blame for all the crimes?
              2. Usher
                Usher 16 May 2021 16: 20
                -3
                Quote: Gardamir
                Cat threw kittens
                How are yours cleverly. The kings were responsible for everything in the country, the general secretaries were responsible. Putin has nothing to do with it.

                Can you prove it when the kings answered?
                1. Normal
                  Normal 16 May 2021 16: 29
                  +4
                  Quote: Usher
                  Can you prove it when the kings answered?

                  Can. But do you need it? The question is rhetorical, just like yours.
                  Kings answer when they are overthrown.
                  They answer terribly.
          2. Aag
            Aag 14 May 2021 22: 16
            +3
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            After reading this article by Samsonov and the comments to it, I understood why they gave me a bunch of minuses in the commentary on the previous article.

            Kazan dude crazydeciding that he was God, he bought a gun and went to kill. There have always been such fiends, maniacs and murderers. That under tsarism, that in the USSR, that in the new Russia. Chikatilo, "Bitsevsky maniac" (he forgot his last name), "Kerch shooter", ... there were a lot of them! And is it possible that the kings and leaders of the state are personally to blame for all the crimes?

            In the previous article on this topic, I wrote that the local leaders are to blame for not taking all the security measures, and I proposed specific measures to prevent such shootings. And they threw cons for it! Silently, without opposition. Someone this very did not suit! Now it is clear that: both Samsonov and the Achtivists who went underground believe that they are to blame in everything only Putin! Putin and only Putin!

            Once again, it remains to be regretted that there is no indicator of who votes and how!

            For the "body" of your comment from me "-". I agree, it is bad that without step-by-step argumentation. Well, you will agree, it is impossible to answer each phrase in monosyllables (at least). I do not agree with
            expressed by you opinion! "Minus" -logical?
            In the same commentary you write '"Once again, it remains to be regretted that there is no indicator of who votes and how." I absolutely agree with you. Moreover, I have something to add from myself. You are a "plus"! From me ...
            And as you saw it (from my side, -, "zero"!). Another option, -you (me, another member of the forum) wrote a comment, outlined your vision of the situation .... Under (above) the comment you see the final figure! Let's say zero! What is she talking about? Yes, about anything: 1) Nobody read your comment. 2) They read everything (how many, who?), But no one reacted, 3) a lot of people read it, in the comments it was even possible they fought, turning to personalities, or, arguably defending their point of view, -but you may not know about it, -the opinions were divided 50/50, -the result is "0" !.
            ... More ... Surely, I'm not the only one who noticed that there are a number of forum participants stupidly "hyping" on the first comments. Especially, in the "News", "Opinions" section ... (well, yes, today is the day of a freelancer, - Happy holiday, and in the USSR there was an article for parasitism ...))).
            ... And there are a number of comrades, old-timers of the forum, sometimes laconic, But, often, wiser, experienced, knowledgeable ...
            The question is: why is their assessment less significant than, say, the assessment of a forum member who does not get off the forum around the clock (bot?) And pushes populist theses?
            With best wishes to all members of the forum, an appeal to maintain mutual respect and professionalism. hi
            ... here, too ... slipped to populism (no money, but keep in your GOOD MOOD!))))))
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 15 May 2021 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: AAG
              ... And there are a number of comrades, old-timers of the forum, sometimes laconic, But, often, wiser, experienced, knowledgeable ...
              The question is: why is their assessment less significant than, say, the assessment of a forum member who does not get off the forum around the clock (bot?) And pushes populist theses?

              Sorry, I did not quite understand the meaning of your whole somewhat confused, viteevat statement.

              As for the "old-timers", wisdom, reticence and importance.

              I believe that comments on VO exist precisely in order to speak out and defend their point of view. Where, how, what, in what volume and how to speak is the legal right of every participant! And if you can not to defend your point of view due to the lack of facts or illiteracy, but only silently minus with bitterness, then, I think, this is wrong, and very bad, and simply dishonorable.

              About "old-timership". Seniority allowances are given in service and work. And on VO they are appreciated clever, meaningful statements by which each of us is evaluated. If you are silent, you cannot be evaluated. If you (in your opinion) are rated low, then either your statements are incorrect, or a problem with society. Agree that the same statement is evaluated differently in different societies (say, in the zone, among supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and in the State Duma). Today's group of VO activists (about 150 people with foreign "friends" who have joined them) is VERY original, close-knit and has its own preferences.

              And what do you mean by "populist theses"? What do you dislike? Refute (if you can). Prove its right! And with malice to minus in silence is meanness.

              About wisdom. To me very Like complete definition of wisdom: "Wisdom comes over the years. But not everyone. Unfortunately, most people only get old age, illness and insanity."

              Bye. All the best to you!
          3. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 15 May 2021 18: 48
            +4
            Yes, it’s not Putin’s business, I myself have an uncle in the government of the Russian Federation. Retired officer, lieutenant general. All my life I set myself as an example.
            The local government is all rotten, Moscow has long arms, but there are only two of them - the army and the navy. There is one more limb - the National Guard, but this limb can be compared with another that the men have. In the article, the author is right - children need education, I myself constantly see how the children of friends of 8-12 years old do not stick their noses out of their smartphones, if you forbid them (when they visit us), that's all - I'm an enemy of the people! The culture of consumption is implanted very quickly, We are the last generation (generation of the 90s), then there will be no Russians.
          4. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 17 May 2021 09: 51
            +1
            "Bitsevsky maniac" (he forgot his last name), "Kerch shooter",

            Don't mix it all up

            Mass shooting has nothing to do with rapist maniacs, cat tormentors, and other "fiends". There are other motives.

            Kerch and Kazan arrows - young people of about the same age (at the turn of 18-20 years) suddenly blew the roof off.

            Now, 100500 times, a conversation will begin about limiting civilian weapons and strengthening the security of educational institutions. As if it would stop the madman

            Why do guys at this age blow their heads off and we hear more and more about shooting in schools?

            What is the reason? Education? Computer games? Not.

            The reason is the absence of any moral prohibitions in modern society and the inaccessibility of sex for many young guys. Go to high school or university - half-naked girls are locked for hours in the same class with the guys. A guy 17,18,19 years old, the brain is cooked in hormones.

            Read the biographies of the shooters - the quietest in the class. And not very successful losers. Girls do not give such, but they show their boobs to everyone around. and "give" to other classmates. Everything, youthful rage, despair, a sense of universal injustice. Another Kerch shooter is ready

            And you're here again about civilian weapons, punishment and patriotism)))

            This problem has not yet been resolved either in our country or in the West.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 18 May 2021 12: 21
              0
              However, according to sociologists, on average, young men begin sexual activity two to three years earlier than girls. On the other hand. among senior pupils and students there are many loose, weak guys. Well, what girls might like them?
        2. Lord_Bran
          Lord_Bran 17 May 2021 07: 47
          +1
          Well, this is Samsonov. Glory to God, everything is always wrong, everything is wrong.
      2. didra
        didra 15 May 2021 12: 33
        +1
        This did not happen over the centuries, as you put it, but with the move of the village to the city and with the marginalization of people's consciousness, which accompanied the destruction of the traditional way of life.
  2. YOUR
    YOUR 14 May 2021 10: 33
    +12
    And what about Blagoveshchensk in the Amur Region? He came to the technical school and shot him, the peasant was fired from the bank, he came and the one for which he was fired, he slammed. Or Kerch.
    But it constantly turns out that in fact everyone had problems with their heads.
    And our valiant media. Almost direct reporting is from the scene. Almost calling, do the same and they will tell you about you.
    1. Machito
      Machito 14 May 2021 13: 45
      -2
      Quote: YOUR
      And what about Blagoveshchensk in the Amur Region? He came to the technical school and shot him, the peasant was fired from the bank, he came and the one for which he was fired, he slammed. Or Kerch.
      But it constantly turns out that in fact everyone had problems with their heads.
      And our valiant media. Almost direct reporting is from the scene. Almost calling, do the same and they will tell you about you.

      For fanatical crimes, you need to execute a cruel death, and broadcast for days so that everyone sees how the fanatic regrets that he was even born into the world.
  3. Overlock
    Overlock 14 May 2021 11: 08
    +7
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    The victims unexpectedly told law enforcement officers that they had no complaints about the bandits.

    This just speaks of the corruption of the police in Kazan. We didn't have this - they quickly came and dispersed. Someone was simply jailed.
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 14 May 2021 12: 14
      +4
      Quote: Overlock
      We didn't have this - they quickly came and dispersed. Someone was simply jailed.

      And we stood on the sidelines and waited for the ending of the fight. Those who remained lying were loaded into funnels and transported some to the hospital, some to the basement.
  4. Civil
    Civil 14 May 2021 14: 18
    +4
    How can you talk about the patriotic education of children, youth and the people in general, when representatives of the "elite" of Russia, officials, judges, deputies, senators and their relatives prefer to rest and live in the West?

    All our tricks and technologies of attracting not only young people, but also 35-45-55 year olds who are rapidly losing loyalty, who used to be the core of loyal citizens, are destroyed on this.
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 14 May 2021 10: 24
    +11
    To begin with, it is worth reassessing Stalin's personality and his role in building Soviet civilization.
    It is customary to mention it only with the prefixes of repression and totalitarianism. But all this blurring of the eyes does not change the essence of the matter.
    Any ruler after Stalin to this day looks extremely pale and inconspicuous against his background precisely in the context of the position of people in society and the attitude towards them.
    All in good time.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 14 May 2021 11: 20
      +10
      Quote: Anchorite
      To begin with, it is worth reassessing Stalin's personality and his role in building Soviet civilization.

      To be honest, this point does not play a role in terms of school shootings.
      The question is much deeper - what kind of society are we, if society, what are our goals and what kind of country we (someone) builds for us. Since the model of capitalism is taken as a model for the development of the country, then be prepared to perceive everything that happens as one of the integral attributes of this capitalism.
      The question is to minimize this disaster!
  • YOUR
    YOUR 14 May 2021 10: 38
    +13
    There is such a thing. If in my time if the guy did not serve in the Army, the people around were perplexed - are you sick. But now, if they have been taken to the Army, it means that you are a goon and you do not know how to negotiate. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in peacetime should number 1.300 people; at present, the number of the Armed Forces is already less than 000 people. for that on the streets on Land Cruisers with a guards ribbon and inscriptions thanks to the Grandfather for the Victory dissect.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 May 2021 12: 23
      0
      The number of servicemen of the RF Armed Forces is about 900 thousand people, all in accordance with the law. And about the same number of civilian personnel of the Armed Forces.
  • Vend
    Vend 14 May 2021 13: 27
    -5
    Don't tighten up arms
    It is precisely to toughen up and there is no need here about official patriotism. The struggle for increasing age has been going on for a long time, but they do not miss
    1. aglet
      aglet 15 May 2021 10: 23
      +2
      "It is precisely to toughen up and there is no need here about official patriotism"
      right, totally agree with you. was there any shooting in kazan? in Kazan and tighten up! youngster defective schoolchildren shot? here are such defective and press! otherwise the authorities have introduced the principle of collective responsibility and believe that all problems will be solved by themselves. It is necessary to work precisely, and specifically, and not to hit the squares. but now they will quickly adopt some kind of law (our printer is the fastest printer in the world), and a wave will go from Moscow to the very outskirts, rewarding the innocent and punishing the innocent
      1. Vend
        Vend 17 May 2021 11: 55
        0
        Quote: aglet
        "It is precisely to toughen up and there is no need here about official patriotism"
        right, totally agree with you. was there any shooting in kazan? in Kazan and tighten up! youngster defective schoolchildren shot? here are such defective and press! otherwise the authorities have introduced the principle of collective responsibility and believe that all problems will be solved by themselves. It is necessary to work precisely, and specifically, and not to hit the squares. but now they will quickly adopt some kind of law (our printer is the fastest printer in the world), and a wave will go from Moscow to the very outskirts, rewarding the innocent and punishing the innocent

        What is it you have some kind of specific patrimonial ideology? The country has laws for everyone, not for individual regions. Have you forgotten about the Kerch shooter? Or you need trouble to come to your city or family, then you will start thinking not by local standards. It's not about punishment, but about the law on the issuance of a license for firearms.
        1. aglet
          aglet 17 May 2021 16: 03
          +1
          "Have you forgotten about the Kerch shooter?"
          Well, did this knowledge help much in Kazan? and if specifically for such defective birds, work was carried out, you see, and people would be alive
          "Or you need trouble to come to your city or family, then you will start thinking not by local standards."
          and what, there in Kerch, or Kazan, it was not a local resident who was at fault, but some kind of nationwide anonymous criminal. so it is necessary to draw conclusions specifically for a specific vasepupkin, or abdulemagomedov: dropout? no sources of income? noticed in social networks (any)? did not serve in the army? what kind of gun in general, under the supervision of the police, and registered every evening at home. and if anything, then you need to punish, not sparing the young body. the thought will figure out how. otherwise all these screams about a license, about the law, what needs to be toughened up is just an imitation of vigorous activity
          1. Vend
            Vend 17 May 2021 16: 22
            0
            Quote: aglet
            "Have you forgotten about the Kerch shooter?"
            Well, did this knowledge help much in Kazan? and if specifically for such defective birds, work was carried out, you see, and people would be alive
            "Or you need trouble to come to your city or family, then you will start thinking not by local standards."
            and what, there in Kerch, or Kazan, it was not a local resident who was at fault, but some kind of nationwide anonymous criminal. so it is necessary to draw conclusions specifically for a specific vasepupkin, or abdulemagomedov: dropout? no sources of income? noticed in social networks (any)? did not serve in the army? what kind of gun in general, under the supervision of the police, and registered every evening at home. and if anything, then you need to punish, not sparing the young body. the thought will figure out how. otherwise all these screams about a license, about the law, what needs to be toughened up is just an imitation of vigorous activity

            So you yourself answered your claims, it was necessary to tighten the law even after Kerch. Not done, here's another tragedy.
            1. aglet
              aglet 18 May 2021 09: 56
              0
              "So you yourself answered your claims, it was necessary to tighten the law even after Kerch."
              right, toughen up, but for kerch. and now for Kazan. tomorrow there will be somewhere else - for this place and its population, but not vague and useless - for the entire population, but for specific individuals and groups of individuals. and then recently the news passed - one man stabbed three of them in the ECB, with a knife. and what now, throughout the Russian Federation, to tighten the rules for the sale of knives? the authorities, if in any case they are hitting the tails, it is necessary to isolate a layer of potential criminals, and work on them, and not hit the squares. it is not a weapon that kills, but a man with this weapon. these are the people who need to be identified
              1. Vend
                Vend 18 May 2021 14: 30
                0
                Quote: aglet
                "So you yourself answered your claims, it was necessary to tighten the law even after Kerch."
                right, toughen up, but for kerch. and now for Kazan. tomorrow there will be somewhere else - for this place and its population, but not vague and useless - for the entire population, but for specific individuals and groups of individuals. and then recently the news passed - one man stabbed three of them in the ECB, with a knife. and what now, throughout the Russian Federation, to tighten the rules for the sale of knives? the authorities, if in any case they are hitting the tails, it is necessary to isolate a layer of potential criminals, and work on them, and not hit the squares. it is not a weapon that kills, but a man with this weapon. these are the people who need to be identified

                and wait when somewhere else to happen like this and tighten it there? The rules are the same for everyone. I repeat, or in your understanding, everything is equal, but some are smoother? What layer of criminals do you understand what they say? Apparently not. Any citizen can become a criminal under certain circumstances. Tightening and control. The weapon is not a toy for you.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 18 May 2021 14: 46
                  0
                  "What layer of criminals do you understand what they are saying? Apparently not. Any citizen can become a criminal."
                  anyone will not, and those who can become should be identified and controlled
                  "Yes, and wait when elsewhere to happen like this and tighten it there?"
                  why tighten it up there, where nothing happened? this is the principle of collective responsibility, according to which our government works - the main thing is to crow, and then, although it does not dawn
                  "Tightening and control. Weapons are not your toys."
                  how many people in the country are killed with knives with axes, and how many with firearms? will we tighten the rules for dealing with hammers and shovels? to tighten the rules for obtaining permits for the purchase of rope? or, nevertheless, to identify, control and restrict potential criminals?
                  "Any citizen can become a criminal"
                  this is exactly what our authorities think, indiscriminately punishing all citizens for a crime committed by one
            2. Normal
              Normal 18 May 2021 14: 57
              0
              Quote: Wend
              Not done, here's another tragedy.


              The law will be toughened.
              The next psycho will come to school with a Molotov cocktail and a machete (with an ax, it already happened)
              Will you take the following case on your conscience?
              1. Vend
                Vend 19 May 2021 10: 46
                0
                Quote: Normal
                Quote: Wend
                Not done, here's another tragedy.


                The law will be toughened.
                The next psycho will come to school with a Molotov cocktail and a machete (with an ax, it already happened)
                Will you take the following case on your conscience?

                Instead of being tougher, another one will come and shoot the children at school. Will you take over this case and on your own conscience?
                1. Normal
                  Normal 19 May 2021 15: 31
                  0
                  Answer a question with a question.
                  Clear.
                  Well, I'm not proud, I'll answer.
                  NON-toughening the law, like making it tougher, will not protect children in school from psychos.
                  A colleague "aiguillette" has already outlined what to do. You are offering a deliberately useless solution, therefore, you are not primarily interested in the safety of schoolchildren.
                  To the "aiguillette" proposal, I will add - a revision of the attitude and law enforcement practice in relation to self-defense, and the legalization of CCW.
                  This set of measures will help protect normal people, including children, from psychos. In any case, this is much more effective than any tightening and prohibitions.
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 15 May 2021 18: 36
    +4
    In our city, the square was generally fenced off with fences and the police, they were allowed in by invitation, the whole parade and concert were held only for a select few 3 thousand "people" + 200-300 veterans (many veterans were not even invited). Crowds of people huddled near the police cordons 1 block from the square, no one saw anything. But I personally saw how overdressed ladies with children passed waving "invitations".
    left outside the gate, must plow, pay taxes and be silent.
    Such is the Victory Day.
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 15 May 2021 18: 59
      +5
      "Byd-lo" the word was banned, even here. This is our publicity))
  • Finches
    Finches 14 May 2021 10: 12
    .
    The children have not yet been buried, but there is nowhere to put political speculation on the tragedy ... Everyone knows everything - sitting on the couch, what to do and how to do it right! And who is to blame ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 14 May 2021 11: 26
      +12
      Quote: Finches
      The children have not yet been buried, but political speculation on the tragedy has nowhere to go.

      Where is speculation!
      The first time is randomness, the second is coincidence, the third is regularity
      1.3 February 2014 year first in Russia: the tenth grader of the school # 263 Sergey Gordeev came to the geography lesson with a hunting carbine and a rifle. He shot the teacher and took his classmates hostage - 21 teenagers.
      2.On September 5, 2017, in the city of Ivanteevka, Moscow Region, ninth-grader Mikhail Pivnev went to school with a kitchen hatchet, air rifle and explosive devices. He went into the computer science room, where he was taking a lesson with his classmates, but the teacher took the student out into the corridor because of his suspicious appearance. There he hit the woman with a hatchet and shot her in the face.
      3.October 17, 2018, fourth-year student of the Kerch Polytechnic College Vladislav Roslyakov: killed 20 people: 15 students and 5 college employees. Fifteen of them died on the spot, 15 in hospital and one more during transportation. The youngest victim was 4 years old. A total of 15 people were injured.
      4. May 11, 2021: nine victims, 18 people in the hospital, two of them are in intensive care in critical condition. This is the result of a terrible morning at gymnasium No. 175 in Kazan. The 19-year-old boy who called himself a "god" burst into his native school with a gun at the ready to avenge all the insults.
      It's easier to blame someone for
      Quote: Finches
      ... political speculation ..

      what to think about - why is this happening, who is to blame and what to do?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 14 May 2021 14: 43
        +4
        Very indicative selection of "Overlock"! good
        And this is just a small puzzle of children's lawlessness. And it's not about juvenile delinquency. This is a completely different "article". Juvenile delinquency, unfortunately, has always been and will always be.
        Speech - about "inadequate". These are students who have long ceased to see the "red lines" of what is permitted. They are simply "rushing" from impunity. Someone draws feces on the walls, someone with a smile defiantly curses women teachers, someone "makes fun" injuring classmates, someone just sits under a desk in the classroom.
        Under the Soviet Union, children knew the "red lines" of their insolence. The conscripts also knew about the "red lines": "lip", "disbat", etc. Under the USSR, schoolchildren knew perfectly well the prospects of a "special school". And the children in the classrooms themselves regulated "social normality" without any silly tolerance.
        Now in schools of medical psychos and ugly educated - tens of percent. The Russian Federation is trite to save on special schools and purposefully turns a blind eye to socially dangerous children. For the children of the elite, "schools for their own" have been created in which "inadequate" is rejected without problems into schools for "mere mortals".
        ps It is sad that this is already the second generation of "inadequate". Among the parents, there are also enough "medical" and - "upbringing", and - drug addicts, and - real criminals. Today in Crimea, the issue of financing the protection of schools by the Russian Guard is being discussed. I am for". This will not solve all the problems, but the measure is absolutely justified.
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 15 May 2021 19: 20
          +5
          What can I say, just yesterday I was driving from work by bus. Heat, crowd. Mom comes in with a child of about seven years old. This idiot on a crowded bus rushes to the back platform, pushes everyone, kicks, sat down in the vacant seat, although there were elderly people nearby. He began to rage, pinched the ears in front of the adults sitting in front of him, Mom shouted "Maksimka can’t be done, Maksimka calm down" he didn’t care, he made such a madhouse, you can’t describe everything. When they left, the contuctor said, "What a hyperactive child!" that's all. He is not hyperactive, he is not a well-mannered bully who will soon grow up, what will he be like if everything is forgiven him at the age of 7?
    2. Achilles
      Achilles 14 May 2021 11: 27
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      Everyone knows everything - sitting on the couch, what and how to do it right! And who is to blame ...


      You can argue in different ways, but the main idea is that tragedy, like a disease, must be treated systematically by eliminating the root cause.
      We have several such reasons, and they are all interconnected - these are ideology (absence), the education system, the upbringing system, i.e. evolutionary system of human-human interaction.
      Modern technologies are leading to the gradual replacement of a teacher-tutor (English tutor - mentor, tutor, teacher) with a "thinking machine", thereby cutting off human development to a controlled functional, creating a human-function to which the machine-teacher will issue instructions for subsequent execution and she will put down marks for their implementation, assigning him the status that gives the right to benefits.
      Do you recognize the test system, with ready-made answers? But it was imposed on us by the liberoid reformers, who were copied under tracing paper from the manuals of the globalists who need this "human function", because it is ideal for a "brave new world" with "inclusive capitalism"
      The trouble is that human functions will be indifferent to emotions, they will be replaced by emoticons, feelings, they will be replaced by gifs.
      Such a structured, understandable, accountable and controllable system will churn out "quiet boys sitting at the computer", inside which a monster will ripen. A monster who has nothing to restrain, because morality, love, feelings do not fit into machine logic, they will be replaced by simulacra.
      Therefore, a human function will be the same as killing or drinking a can of cola, because these are just functions. After all, if a "smart machine" assigns the status of "bio-waste" to a person due to the fact that he has not completed the task, then another person will be able to eliminate him.
      Terrible? Certainly.
      The Kazan killer is the forerunner of the "human function" who grew up in the existing system of education and upbringing. Therefore, in the courtroom, more than one muscle on his face did not flinch, he was calm, he was not tormented by nightmares for what he had done and, I suppose, he does not even understand what he is being punished for.
      After all, he did what Bill Gates and others like him dream of - reduced the population, removed the "bio-waste"
      All this is disgusting!
      Among the young people, the killer has already found followers who wrote in chats "but you can repeat this in 171 schools" in order to extend the "May holidays"
      Take a look and think. Will such monsters be held back by frames, alarm and control systems? After all, their inner rational monster does not know mercy and compassion.
      That is why it is necessary to restore our values, to form an ideology, to restore the educational system, to replace a tutor-teacher with a PEDAGOGUE teacher, to replace services with an education system - and all this is the basis of Russia of the future.
      To such an unpopular work must be transgressed now, or rather yesterday.
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette 14 May 2021 19: 49
        +8
        The education system in both the USSR and the Russian Empire was based on the priority of public interests and values ​​over personal ones. It was based on Orthodox spiritual and moral values. They have permeated literature and history, which shape the worldview of a person. The communal life of the Russian peasantry was based on the priority of public interests over personal ones. The Russian Empire, like the USSR, collapsed within one century and was discredited in the minds of many people. In modern Russia, before our very eyes, there has been a liberal revolution in and the substitution of values, which are based on the Catholic paradigm of the priority of the interests of the individual. "I am the center of the world, my interests are above all." It is necessary to restore the priority of public interests over personal interests in all spheres of society.
  • Dizel200
    Dizel200 14 May 2021 10: 14
    0
    And there were excesses in the USSR. You just don't know. Speculation, although some of the provisions of the article are correct
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 14 May 2021 10: 40
      +8
      There were no executions of children.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 14 May 2021 11: 00
        0
        Quote: YOUR
        There were no executions of children.

        They were nowhere to be found.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 14 May 2021 11: 31
        +10
        Quote: YOUR
        There were no executions of children.

        In April 1950, in the village of Giska (near Bendery, Moldavian SSR): a military instructor brought a package of 12 kg of tol to the school and blew it up during classes in one of the classes. The explosion was caused by an unrequited love for one of his colleagues. The building was destroyed, 23 people were killed (including the military commander), many were injured. The entire school graduated that year only had 5 students. The tragedy turned out to be classified, it was forbidden to mention it. In 2007, a memorial monument was unveiled in the village.
        1. alstr
          alstr 14 May 2021 12: 15
          +7
          On December 17, 1981 in the city of Sarapul, two soldiers with machine guns took hostage a whole class of 30 people. only thanks to the chances and high professionalism of the KGB officers, no one was hurt.
          There was also a shooting at school (like in Moldova or Ukraine), if I remember correctly, in the 60s.
          And that's just what we now know. Because such cases were kept secret and nondisclosure subscriptions were taken from everyone.
      3. svp67
        svp67 16 May 2021 07: 49
        0
        Quote: YOUR
        There were no executions of children.

        "The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR informs about an emergency that took place in the Perm region. On February 11, this year (1958), at about 7 pm, a student of construction school N6 of the Main Directorate of Labor Reserves under the Council of Ministers of the USSR, located in the village of Lyamino, Chusovsky district, Perm region, Tselousov M.G., born in 1934, the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the school, being drunk, entered the premises of this school, hacked the doors of the offices of the director and secretary of the school, as well as the library premises, took a small-caliber rifle from the library , owned by the local organization DOSAAF, and went out into the street.
        While on the street, Tselousov fired several shots from a rifle, with which he killed the workers of the construction and assembly department "Gubakhtyazhstroy" Laletin, born in 1935, and Bakhonkin, born in 1940.
        After that, Tselousov went into the girls ’hostel, where he killed Maltsev, Sukhoroslov, Smelov, students of the construction school with several shots from a rifle, wounded Druzhkov, Chupin, Erokhin, Barmatov, Dudin, Mokrushin, Kopytova and a student of the same school, Lelekin, all 1940-1941 born . Druzhkova and Chupin died in the hospital.
        Citizens of the village about the incident at school were informed by the district commissioner Ponosov, who, together with a member of the police assistance brigade, detained and disarmed Tselousov.
        The investigation in this case is conducted by the deputy head of the Perm Region Office of Internal Affairs, representatives of the regional prosecutor's office and the Office of labor reserves.
        The head of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Militia Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR was sent to the scene. "

        In April 1950, in the village of Giska (near the city of Bendery, Moldavian SSR): a military instructor brought a package of 12 kg of tol to the school and blew it up during classes in one of the classes. The explosion was caused by an unrequited love for one of his colleagues. The building was destroyed, 23 people were killed (including the military commander), many were injured. The entire school graduated that year only had 5 students. The tragedy turned out to be classified, it was forbidden to mention it.
  • for
    for 14 May 2021 10: 15
    +9
    Ideally, a weapon permit could be issued after serving in the army, or after graduating from a university with a military department.

    It is early to distribute, first the society must be cured.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 10: 21
      .
      Quote: for
      first, society must be cured.

      from what exactly?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 14 May 2021 10: 32
        +9
        from what exactly?

        From capitalism. And his type of charms.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 10: 36
          -2
          Quote: paul3390
          From capitalism. And his type of charms.

          Oh, that's it. And how are you going to treat consumerism? Do you have a recipe too?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 May 2021 10: 38
            +15
            Sure. You need to treat consumers like you. In order to understand that a person was born not only to eat, fuck and consume, consume ..

            Besides - Avon China under the leadership of the Communist Party .. Not - not an argument?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: paul3390
              Besides - Avon China under the leadership of the Communist Party .. Not - not an argument?

              No, not an argument. In China, it stimulates domestic consumer demand. Under the leadership of the Communist Party.
              Quote: paul3390
              In order to understand that a person was born not only to eat, fuck and consume, consume ..

              Clear. He was born to build communism, but at the same time secretly dreaming
              Quote: paul3390
              eat, fuck and consume, consume ..

              Quote: paul3390
              It is necessary to treat consumers, something like you.
              I have everything that is needed in the quantity and quality that a person of my wealth can afford.
              And you, as I understand it, accepted the schema and abandoned vulgar material values?
              1. Aag
                Aag 14 May 2021 21: 08
                0
                "... I have everything that is needed in the quantity and quality that a person of my wealth can afford.
                And you, as I understand it, accepted the schema and abandoned vulgar material values? ... "
                Judging by most of your comments, you are a very intelligent person.
                ... On the other hand: how do you yourself assess, -thanks to what, or, say, -with what, WHOM, did it happen?
                Looks like I'm going to hear again the theory of the division of the world into sheep and wolves? hi
                True, interesting ...
                And even more interesting is why I do not feel fierce hatred towards you (for now))), as an ideological antagonist.
            2. Esoteric
              Esoteric 15 May 2021 11: 15
              +3
              Not an argument. Where did you see socialism with the presence of private ownership of the means of production, billionaires, with the merciless exploitation of the working class, the absence for most of the pensions in general, and other social benefits? Where "social rating" thrives, and you are no longer a person, but a byte in a computer.
              There is capitalism under red flags, its worst kind is state capitalism.
          2. sergo1914
            sergo1914 14 May 2021 10: 51
            +6
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Quote: paul3390
            From capitalism. And his type of charms.

            Oh, that's it. And how are you going to treat consumerism? Do you have a recipe too?


            Yes, bourgeois muzzle. The moral code of the builder of communism. (Well, I could not restrain myself, sarcasm ...)
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 11: 01
              +1
              Quote: sergo1914
              Yes, bourgeois muzzle. The moral code of the builder of communism. (Well, I could not restrain myself, sarcasm ...)

              laughing
        2. Deniska999
          Deniska999 14 May 2021 10: 41
          +4
          And under socialism there were youth gangs in Kazan in the 70s. See comment above. So they grew up in the 50-60s. And why didn't they instill spirituality?)
        3. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 14 May 2021 11: 35
          +7
          From capitalism. And his type of charms.


          Not this way. Where have you seen living capitalists in your country after 1917? Your power is all, absolutely all, in the hands of former communists, Komsomol members and KGB agents and their children.

          They first scorned socialism, then rebuilt their local, neo-feudal paradise, and now the capitalists are to blame for you? Yes, go and take a walk in the same Scandinavia, fortunately close and look at the capitalists and workers there. This is where socialism triumphed categorically.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 May 2021 12: 27
            +2
            How tired .. Well, how much can you explain - having a party membership card does not make a person a communist yet ..
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 15 May 2021 21: 27
              0
              How tired .. Well, how much can you explain - having a party membership card does not make a person a communist yet ..


              This is an excuse ... :) If socialism, communism failed, then children with party membership cards who were not communists were in the majority. But not about it now. And about the fact that you have not seen capitalism in order to find fault with it and accuse it of all sins. bully
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 14 May 2021 11: 13
        +3
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        from what exactly?

        Since February 1, swearing has been banned on social networks. I would have forbidden it in a direct conversation. BUT. Before prohibiting mate, you need at least to begin with asphalt roads. This is me here for this:
        It turns out that you need to protect from the state
  • tatra
    tatra 14 May 2021 10: 18
    -1
    All this is the result of the capture of the USSR by the enemies of the communists. BUT they never admit guilt either for their crimes, or for their mistakes, stupidity, worthlessness. They always have others to blame, but not themselves. EVERYTHING they did, spoke and wrote, they proved that they are not worthy and not capable of owning the country.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: tatra
      BUT they never admit guilt either for their crimes, or for their mistakes, stupidity, worthlessness.

      Well, are you, friends of the Communists, ready to admit all your failures and stupidity? Economic, administrative, economic, ideological - the list is long and different. Or what - "it's not us, it's all of them ..."?
      Start with yourself, auntie.
      1. tatra
        tatra 14 May 2021 10: 58
        -2
        Just recently I wrote a comment that when I write about the enemies of the communists, I already know in advance all their answers to me - malice against me and the communists, a cowardly "switch of arrows" to the communists. The enemies of the communists are incorrigible, you are capable of creating a bunch of problems for the country and the people, but you are not capable of either solving problems, or even honestly discussing what you have done. So, already in the comments is your "ideology" and this was in the USSR ", together with thinking about what is happening now and what to do about it.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 11: 07
          -2
          Quote: tatra
          malice against me and the communists

          Well, in my opinion, you are the only one exercising malice here. Auntie, with your obnoxious philippics, you repel potential adepts from your sect laughing
          Or you don't need volunteers, and I confuse your grumbling with messianism?
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 14 May 2021 11: 36
          +7
          Quote: tatra
          when I write about the enemies of the communists, I already know in advance all their answers to me - malice against me and the communists, a cowardly "shift of arrows" to the communists.

          Come on with the communists! This problem has no party affiliation, you just need to distinguish between communists and members of the CPSU, mentally ill from healthy.
          Tselousov M.G., born in 1934, the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the school, being drunk, entered the premises of this school, broke into the doors of the offices of the director and secretary of the school, as well as the library premises, took a small-bore rifle in the library belonging to the local organization DOSAAF , and went out into the street.
          While on the street, Tselousov fired several shots from a rifle, with which he killed the workers of the construction and assembly department "Gubakhtyazhstroy" Laletin, born in 1935, and Bakhonkin, born in 1940.
          After that, Tselousov entered the girls' dormitory, where several shots from a rifle killed students of the construction school Maltseva, Sukhoroslov, Smelova, wounded Druzhkova, Chupina, Erokhin, Barmatova, Dudina, Mokrushina, Kopytova and a student of the same school Lelekin, all born in 1940-1941 ...
        3. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 15 May 2021 19: 48
          0
          I know only one true communist - my friend's mother, she works as a leading specialist at a defense plant, she was called to Moscow - she refused. She is 78 years old, she is not allowed to retire, there are no more such specialists in our region.
          Let me give you an example: she is a chemical technologist with many patents. The plant ordered Japanese machines, but under the terms of the contract, the replacement of lubricating fluids and maintenance is carried out by Japanese specialists for money. For 5 years of operation of these machines, the plant would have spent the same amount as when purchasing them. In six months (this was when she was 72 years old), she developed and patented a lubricant that was 1.4 times more effective than the Japanese one from the manufacturer. As a result, the Japanese MOT was abandoned.
  • Smoked
    Smoked 14 May 2021 10: 19
    +12
    Blah blah blah. The older generation will not be able to offer ANYTHING to the current one. They live in a global world with an almost common culture and civilization.
    By the way, who doesn't know. The Moscow shooter, who killed a teacher, a policeman and wounded another policeman, has long been at large because he was recognized as sick after a couple of years of examinations (this is hello to the miracle tests of psychologists), and punitive psychiatry has been canceled. Who wants to can find him, talk about life, can teach patriotism yes. Good luck to you dreamers.
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 May 2021 10: 39
      +3
      Wait, wait ... you are misunderstanding the concept of punitive psychiatry. This does not mean that the perpetrator is released. He is sent for compulsory psychiatric treatment. And the prohibition of punitive psychiatry means that a person who has not committed a crime cannot be sent to such treatment.
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 14 May 2021 10: 43
        +6
        So it is, they treated me for a while, taking them out of society and returning them back. As far as I know, nowadays it is impossible to close a mentally ill person for life.
        1. nnm
          nnm 14 May 2021 10: 49
          +3
          The term is determined only by a court decision. If there is no reason to be discharged, he will be in prison for life.
          That is, it can only be released by the court at which the treating psychiatrist, lawyer and prosecutor express their position before the court.
        2. Sentinel-vs
          Sentinel-vs 14 May 2021 10: 56
          +3
          It cannot be closed for life, but the commission will extend and extend the treatment without admitting that the patient is recovering. Google YouTube interviews with criminals undergoing psychiatric treatment. Almost none of the patients who have committed serious crimes leave the hospital. Usually they are treated there until death.
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        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 14 May 2021 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: Overlock
          Prosecutor - drunk or maniac from a bandit from the high road?
          Yes, the moderators will forgive me, but "you can't throw words out of the song"

          For this fake, I'll write to you to the moderator. For the fact that you have no brains to filter information and bring VO under a fine from Roskomnadzor.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 14 May 2021 16: 25
            +2
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            For this fake, I'll write to you to the moderator. For the fact that you have no brains to filter information and bring VO under a fine from Roskomnadzor.

            1. No need to be rude, children were not baptized together
            2. In form, a really nefarious sight
            3. In fact, for the content of the video, the prosecutor was dismissed by the Attorney General of the country according to his own report. For some reason, he did not defend his honest name in court. Obviously, he does not believe in our justice or ... The excuse "I am not me" did not pass.
            4. I apologize to you for your moral torment hi
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    2. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 14 May 2021 11: 04
      +3
      By the way, who doesn't know. The Moscow shooter, who killed a teacher, a policeman and wounded another policeman, has long been at large because he was recognized as sick after a couple of years of examinations (this is hello to the miracle tests of psychologists)


      According to the latest information, he is still being treated in a closed hospital.

      https://www.mk.ru/incident/2020/01/29/vyyasnilos-mestonakhozhdenie-poteryavshegosya-shkolnogo-strelka-iz-moskvy.html
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 14 May 2021 11: 14
        0
        Thank you for the information, but it still needs to be checked, because we live in Russia and an unsubscribe is just an unsubscribe.
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 14 May 2021 11: 48
      +5
      Quote: Smoked
      The older generation will be unable to offer ANYTHING to the current one. They live in a global world with an almost common culture and civilization.

      Unfortunately, this is exactly the case.
      You can tell children about kindness and creativity with foam at the mouth, prove the correctness of honesty, and that "light" always wins over "darkness" ... and then it gets on the Internet and on the street, and there is another world that lives completely on other laws and extolled not at all for goodness and truth ...
      Quote: Smoked
      The Moscow shooter, who killed a teacher, a policeman and wounded another policeman, has long been at large because he was recognized as sick after a couple of years ...
      I will allow myself to doubt your words.
      For a double murder "a couple of years" ....
      For those murderers whom the commission recognized as insane, the court determines the period of compulsory treatment in a psychiatric hospital of a specialized type (and not a couple of years), and at the end of this period, the offender goes for treatment to the psychiatric department at the place of his registration, and he has been there for so long. as much as the medical commission deems necessary, until he potentially ceases to be dangerous to others.
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 14 May 2021 12: 28
        0
        And you look, on the same wiki there is interesting information. In fact, now it is not known where he is and what he is doing.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 14 May 2021 10: 22
    -9
    Modern Switzerland or Israel are examples of a people armed to the teeth. The crime rate is very low.
    There is also the United States with a "to the teeth" armed population and the largest number of prisoners in the world ...
    Under Stalin, it was possible to go to the utility store and simply, without inquiries and control, buy smooth-bore weapons and cartridges. No problem. This is how the Stalinist government "feared" the people. Under the tsars, it was possible to buy rifled weapons in the gun store.
    And why does a person need a firearm in a peaceful life? And how does possession of a firearm help against a terrorist who infiltrates a school? Are schoolchildren allowed to go to lessons with weapons? Or teachers?
    Here you need to look for some other solution ...
    It is impossible to prohibit ordinary household items, tools, materials (you can kill with a brick).

    It is still much more difficult to commit mass murder with a brick than with a firearm ...
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 14 May 2021 10: 35
      +6
      It is still much more difficult to commit mass murder with a brick than with a firearm.

      Come on! You accelerate harder in a car - and at a stop .. How many such cases were there? More people died from cars than from firearms. But to prohibit - the sun-faced for some reason wished it was the weapon. Apparently the reflex worked ..
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 14 May 2021 10: 58
        -5
        Quote: paul3390
        More people died from cars than from firearms. But to prohibit - the sun-faced for some reason wished it was the weapon.

        Those. are you in favor of banning cars?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 14 May 2021 11: 17
          +10
          I am for logic. If they care so much about the safety of citizens - let them start with the most dangerous weapon .. Or they can't stand their brains with their stupid pointers.
          1. Woodman
            Woodman 14 May 2021 11: 45
            -4
            Quote: paul3390
            Or they can't stand their brains with their stupid pointers.

            So far, your logic in this context looks more like just such a pointer.
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 14 May 2021 12: 09
            +8
            Quote: paul3390
            I am for logic. If they care so much about the safety of citizens



            The logic, Pavel, is that a simple mother with many children and PM cannot buy for herself, if we talk about the legalization of a short barrel, and the "golden youth" will immediately be "in trend", and cool barrels will also be added to expensive foreign cars. The most important thing is that as now the owner of the old Zhiguli is not a competitor to the owner of Ferrari, the same will happen with a weapon, with the right to shoot (or an unpunished shot).

            Just as drug addiction cannot be cured by legalizing drugs, so bandits and low morale cannot be destroyed by fully arming society. First you need to deal with corruption, which is off the charts in the country. The question is how to make honest judges and conscientious guards of the law ... Probably, a different social system is needed.

            Therefore, in a healthy society, the armament of society is useless, but in a sick society it is useless, it will only get worse.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 14 May 2021 13: 43
              +7
              Quote: Per se.
              a different social system is needed.

              I agree !
              PS Has "Dunno on the Moon" been banned yet?
              But Cipollino will soon be banned ...
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 14 May 2021 14: 20
                +6
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                "Dunno on the Moon" hasn't been banned yet?
                Yes, Nikolai Nosov portrayed capitalism brilliantly. As a child, I never thought that I would live on such a “Moon” instead of the “Flower” or “Solar” city.
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 14 May 2021 14: 27
                  +5
                  Quote: Per se.
                  on such a "moon" will happen to live.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 14 May 2021 10: 23
    +7
    We discussed, talked, but everything will remain as it is! No staff, no money! You look, parents will be obliged to pay for security. This has already happened. The commission will run through, give instructions and that's it! So these commissions go every year, but what's the point?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 May 2021 11: 00
      +7
      Quote: From Tomsk
      everything will remain as it is!
      1. Pensive Lawyer
        Pensive Lawyer 14 May 2021 11: 09
        0
        Sorry, of course, for the rough question, but personally, how are the law enforcement agencies interfering with you? To me personally, only tow trucks are on the road and sometimes when the traffic controller does not really come across.
        And I somehow did not touch the restrictions.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 14 May 2021 12: 10
          +3
          They should interfere with a law-abiding citizen, although there are unfortunate exceptions.
          PS I do not like total control, from cameras on the roads, in yards, offices, Internet shops, phones, etc., etc.
          And our correspondence will be read by those who are entitled to it ...
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 14 May 2021 13: 28
            +2
            NOT must, so right ... Typo, damn it!
          2. Pensive Lawyer
            Pensive Lawyer 14 May 2021 13: 42
            0
            Well, as I was born immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union, I don’t know another world, because all my conscious age I live in this
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 14 May 2021 13: 47
              0
              Well, I was born in the USSR, even under Stalin I.V .....
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 14 May 2021 12: 30
          +5
          Good question!! Our country has about 1.3 million police officers of all stripes. But we - they don't see a fig, except during the dispersal of rallies. What, then, is all this wild horde doing?
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 14 May 2021 10: 25
    +14
    For the first time I agree with Samsonov. Now "our" elect will roll out a bunch of stupid decisions, from which only law-abiding ones will have problems. But in fact, the problem is in upbringing. But this problem is too tough for them, they have to work and invest money.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 14 May 2021 10: 36
      +7
      And what - like the servants of the people once rolled out sensible solutions ??? what
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 14 May 2021 11: 02
        +8
        Quote: paul3390
        like a servant of the people
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 14 May 2021 10: 47
      -1
      I agree. For the first time, there was no stream of consciousness and Samsonov earned my personal approval. Stupid decisions are, in my entire history, a common thing with us. This is from a series of Soviet advertising - fly by Aeroflot. And what the hell else was there to fly?) Here real changes are needed. And the question certainly cannot be solved with money. Without slogans, without beautiful speeches, without any kind of clowns who are now grazing on everything fried. I always did not understand one thing - why the state uses so little social networks. After all, through them you can also influence for good ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 May 2021 10: 38
    0
    Solid imitation instead of real deeds.

    To tell А easier than easy, but go to Б .... somehow it is not popular with those who speak / shout А, at every corner.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 14 May 2021 10: 46
    +3
    I am glad that Samsonov finally regained his sight. And then all the collective West is to blame for all our problems.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 May 2021 11: 21
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      I am glad that Samsonov finally regained his sight. And then all the collective West is to blame for all our problems.

      Well, tomorrow's training manual will again be about the "collective west".
  • don-1500
    don-1500 14 May 2021 10: 56
    +3
    Oksimiron "The Last Call", I think that the Kazan and Kerch killers repeatedly played this track in their headphones, getting unhealthy excitement. Oksimiron is the idol of the youth, no one cares, and it doesn’t care so much that it’s too late to do something.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 14 May 2021 10: 57
    +5
    And I (to my surprise).
    Late 60s, we boys 10-12 years old from a working-class suburb
    could "embroider" for days in kilometers and in complete safety.

    Once we flooded on bikes to a lake 12 km away. We got into a downpour and through the woods we barely crawled out onto the highway 40 km (!) From the city to the dwelling. We, as relatives in each hut, were dried, fed, watered (at home they would have been whipped properly). After we equipped it for the road (bread, water, milk, bacon) and we had already overcome these 40 km on the asphalt in the evening. I don't remember what happened at home.


    ч
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 14 May 2021 11: 12
    +6
    In Soviet times, even in an inflamed brain, this did not occur. There were no private security companies, there was the most terrible enemy of slobs, a cleaning lady, woman Masha. And no one was a decree to her, not a director, ..., no one. And the parents did not even think to complain about her. And education in schools ..., and the presentation of knowledge .... My daughter, after two months of working as a teacher of literature, with tears quit her job. This is who we educate, I mean the students. With which everything is possible. Limitless. Add to this the ban on smoking (show "Just you wait" after 24-00, the wolf smokes there) and the propaganda of violence, cruelty and drug addiction in the daytime. Whoever thinks that I am slandering, let him sue me.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 14 May 2021 11: 24
    -2
    Quote: Smoked
    So it is, they treated me for a while, taking them out of society and returning them back. As far as I know, nowadays it is impossible to close a mentally ill person for life.

    Close, and how. Those who are unwanted .... sad
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 14 May 2021 11: 45
    +2
    There is no real ideology.
    .... Why? Yes, anti-Soviet
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 May 2021 12: 46
    +1
    I'm afraid that in the system
    where everything is advertised, little will change. Here they say that there have been such cases before. Who knew about them? Direct advertising to both the terrorist and the Internet, where such scum sit. I know of a case when the investigator promised the young man not to divulge his name. He started rolling in hysterics. And here, and where he studied, and what is ill. Such people should be punished without a name, without a surname. On TV, meetings with famous people with a knife and an ax.
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  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 May 2021 13: 31
    +6
    Ideally, a weapon permit could be issued after serving in the army, or upon graduation from a university with a military department.

    And how, in this case, should the representatives of small peoples who do not serve and do not particularly go to universities? But at the same time they hunt - and this is part of their culture and life. How to be for people living in hard-to-reach areas in which there are wild animals? What should they do if they were "unlucky" to graduate from the military department or serve? In rural areas, there are often high levels of criminalization - what should a person do with property, an ax to defend themselves? When they come to rob and kill his family. No, this is definitely not an option.

    Eliminate social injustice. Stop looking to the West, rely on the Russian language, culture and history. To educate the entire population. And the bureaucratic corps should be an example

    Holy saints, you really want to shoot "Poplar" at the mosquito.
    There will be no solution to these problems. Those in power have long wanted to spit on what they should be.

    Where does the wave of violence and suicide among young people come from?

    Our entire society is permeated with a disgusting depression, our entire modern culture, some kind of sad rogue low-grade hopelessness, these 100500 films-serials about endless storms in a glass between the police and criminals, with typical names and completely inexpressive plots full of stupidity, blood and despondency - that's our cultural message, I would even say a regular cultural message to the masses. We are so proud of our primacy in space and some kind of highly spiritual qualities - but to shoot a normal TV series or serial "on the topic" of space or a SIMPLE_NORMAL_INTERESTING_INTELLECTUAL teenage series, a la those that were filmed in the early 2000s by the Australians - no, we cannot and do not want it give birth.
    Our modern public (not academic) culture is rejected by its one-sidedness, primitiveness, cruelty and emptiness.
    This is the environment that surrounds our youth, and this youth goes "to these your Internet", is saturated with a foreign cult-substrate of different quality and message - so sharply contrasting with our reality and our cultural message. The facade of our country facing its own population is completely unaesthetic, it kills dreams, often kills hopes - here is the answer to the wave of violence and suicide among young people.

    The only remaining goal in modern Russia is to get a good job, for a lot of money! And that's it, there is nothing else! Everything else is verbiage

    This is the reality and the most "winning" strategy in it at the moment. You can scourge and brand all this as much as you like - and some uncle will roll in a hammock in Bali with a laptop, read you or me and giggle into his beard. If the system has not been organized in a compromise enough way for all its participants, it will inevitably be pulled apart in this way - regardless of my or your desire. This is a question in the competence of those in power and not of the mythical "people".

    How can you talk about the patriotic education of children, youth and the people in general, when representatives of the "elite" of Russia, officials, judges, deputies, senators and their relatives prefer to rest and live in the West? There they set up "alternate airfields." The people receive a beggarly existence and formal patriotism

    People vote as they voted) Most are happy with everything ..

    How can you “teach patriotism” at all? It sounds like "impotence treatment" - if a person is not a patriot, then in most cases he has NOTHING to love the country in which he lives. I didn't deserve it. There is one way to change this - to earn it. It's so easy!
    1. Anzhey V.
      Anzhey V. 14 May 2021 13: 47
      +3
      Thanks for the adequate comment. At least someone really looks at the root.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 14 May 2021 14: 40
      +2
      People vote as they voted)
      ... Now, in the administrations, they are collecting votes in support of the United Russia, they do not even collect, but demand to collect, register on a well-known website, attract relatives and electronic voting, in support, there is a minimum and maximum how many votes this or that settlement should give support and threaten punishments. So that's it. I remember in Soviet times, my parents did not go to the polls for some reason. Two funny girls came with a ballot box. Oh, you couldn't come? Yes, it's okay, vote, we brought you the ballot box. Well, then it was clear, but now?
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 14 May 2021 15: 31
        +2
        "We will leave now, but I, as the head of the cultural department of our house .... I suggest you take some magazines in favor of the children of Germany - A fifty-kopeck piece ...
        No, I won't. - But why do you refuse? - I do not want. - You do not sympathize with the children of Germany? - I do. - Oh, sorry for fifty dollars? - Not. - So why? - I don't want to ... "-" Heart of a Dog "
      2. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 14 May 2021 15: 32
        +4
        I myself, being an observer in the 2012 elections, saw an absolutely horse-like scale of falsifications - in our case, one of the two ballot boxes was stupidly replaced in WHOLE, there were ballots neatly folded in half for EdRo (and there were more of them than it should have been in this ballot box in general) - nobody scratched themselves. On a national scale, such tricks could add (and have added) about 8-10 +% of votes for EdRo (in the Duma) - however, even without all these dirty tricks and machinations, it is worth recognizing that the majority voted for EdRo and its personalities, so they vote ... Whatever happens, no matter what tricks-bites and somersaults our economy does, no matter what isolation we find ourselves in, the majority still votes for the current course. There, of course, these numbers rule, apparently for the beauty and career building of those who give "good" indicators. But people for the most part (even if this is no longer the overwhelming majority as in 2007 some) are really like the skin from the priests of a rhinoceros - absolutely impenetrable. So I personally believe that despite the admin resource, falsifications, etc., the share of the blame for sliding into the abyss lies with ordinary voters, people who do not want to see, think and express their disagreement, they will mutter in kitchens or complain about a shitty pension, but at the same time, they will regularly go and vote for the current course. Nobody even forces a substantial part of them, does not put pressure on them and does not coerce - this is a completely voluntary decision.
        I have no idea how bad it should be and in what dynamics for these people to "wake up". In my opinion this is unrealistic.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 14 May 2021 15: 44
          +2
          And the essence of the elections is such that suppose you go to vote for the newly created "violet" party, in the end it turns out that the vote will be with one of the parties that have passed the 5% barrier. The names of the parties are known. This barrier does not allow the formation of coalitions, new parties. And let's not forget, 5% are funded by the state. By the way, this is a question, Zyu also raised, his request was satisfied.
        2. bandabas
          bandabas 14 May 2021 16: 00
          +4
          About voter turnout. The majority of voters simply do not want to vote for "YEDRO" and do not see an alternative in the so-called "opposition". Full of promises. In 2005, the column "Against all" was removed. So let them return to the upcoming elections and the alignment among the population will really become visible.
        3. aglet
          aglet 15 May 2021 10: 58
          +1
          "I myself, being an observer in the 2012 elections, saw an absolutely equine scale of falsifications - in our case, they stupidly changed one of the two"
          "- no one scratched themselves"
          and you too, being an election observer? Or did you supervise from Edr?
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 15 May 2021 12: 16
            0
            I watched from the Communist Party. After a whole day of observation and with a heap of calculations, I laid it all out at the local branch of the party - there they grabbed their heads, began to call somewhere (although it was already at night). Looking there again a week later, I found out that all their efforts (and mine) were given a turn from the gate, because there was no video recording system on the site (they had already installed them on the Duma, on the presidential ones), the ballot boxes were opened and sealed in front of us, etc.
            With the filigree precision of a special operation, 1 third-party person entered (or sat all day somewhere in the back room) into the precinct (he was at school), at the moment when the chairwoman was pushing good words (after a typo of the ballot boxes) - and replaced one of the 2 ballot boxes entirely, i.e. There were ballot papers neatly folded in half and there were 600 more of them than there should have been in that ballot box.
            Everything was covered with aerobatics in general. Except for me, none of the observers even thought of counting who was there and what was throwing into the trash cans - it was much more interesting for them to burst or chatter all day long, so my hands were tied here too, alas.
            1. region58
              region58 16 May 2021 03: 22
              +1
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              all their efforts (and mine) were given a turn from the gate

              Who gave? And in what form? As an observer, have you applied somewhere with a corresponding statement? Through State services, for example? Your story is not very believable, excuse me ...
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 14 May 2021 14: 05
    -7
    The main problem, according to Mikhailov, is the "state of society itself," which lives in an "absolutely electrified atmosphere."

    Indeed, remember the atmosphere of Soviet society and the then level of security of an ordinary citizen and a child.

    Eliminate social injustice.

    Theft, the bet on the "golden calf", where the "chosen ones", to whom the law is not written, are the rich.


    Just word for word what I wrote yesterday - this society is painful, and the situation can only be changed by changing the political system ..
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 May 2021 14: 26
    +7
    Surprisingly, Samsonov, wrote a normal article. And I agree with many conclusions (not with all of course). On a hike, now it is not possible to go with children, you will also be fined and God forbid, children are the minimum, children will come with bruises and bruises, parents They will be dragged around the courts. This is not the time when, after returning from the campaign, and we often walked, of course there was preliminary preparation, we were proud of the bruises and scratches. It is expensive and again, in order to organize a competition in this sport, you need to get permission. In totalitarian times, both competitions and demonstration performances were held in our town, after the demonstrations they ran to the Military Hill to see. There was not a large reservoir, with sand the beach, so in it the models of ships competed, of different categories, from sailing ships, to modern at that time. Now there is really a swamp. In our school, in ours, there was industrial training, we received diplomas of navigators and minders and the training was real, on the real vessel "Vasily Kolarov" and scrubbed it and went out into the sea. Those who followed this path, diplomas helped to enter the sailor. In another school, they received a license to drive a car, in another school they trained locksmiths.
    But childhood, of course, was lousy, there were no gadgets, social networks, sausages, jeans, milk, sour cream, etc. smile Yes, about gangs, it was. There was a school for a school, but when it came time for me to join the ranks of the "fighters", this was no longer the case. I did not participate. The city people, with the rest of the villagers, beat fiercely the boys from another village, the reason is simple, the residents of this village during the Second World War, the Germans were greeted with bread and salt. But they also somehow reconciled. But reconciled on the basis of what? Interests, music, sports, sections, etc. How will you go to beat the one with whom you are engaged in the same section. And how will he beat you if you yesterday gave him a cassette with Pinky to rewrite either with Resurrection or Alpha? (Reveler, hit of all times and peoples of the USSR)
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 14 May 2021 21: 26
      +1
      Ha. We went to the 80s to a labor camp near Armavir. In my opinion, next to Belorechensk. Murmansk region, Vorkuta and Muscovites. Murmanskaya and Vorkuta with the locals crushed Muscovites. There was a tradition every year. And, as a rule, there were no problems between the northerners and the local ones. And so ... Strawberries, cherries, apples. And, dumplings at the exit from the station in Armavir for the weekend. Double or triple servings.
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 14 May 2021 15: 06
    -3
    Parachute jumps, glider flights and shooting clubs are too expensive for ordinary teenagers under the rule of capitalism.
    In the USSR, once upon a time there were even DOSAAF aero-clubs. It seems like you could learn to fly. And then they somehow suddenly quietly drooped. Many years after the collapse of the USSR, it turned out that they were closed or severely restricted, because they suddenly began to fear that "ordinary teenagers" would begin to fly away ... from the paradise of socialism into the "domination of capitalism." laughing There was also a similar absurd situation with the disappearance of karate sections and an unofficial ban on teaching it. Probably they were afraid that they would beat ... laughing It seems like karate was very much encouraged and popularized by a series of patriotic films, and there was nowhere to study it. sad
    The only remaining goal in modern Russia is to get a good job, for a lot of money! And that's it, there is nothing else! All the rest is verbiage.
    And what else could be the main goal of any reasonable person? No, I understand, it would still be nice to be engaged in the conquest of the universe, but after all, it is also desirable to do this for good money, and not just like that.yes PS: Slightly simplified the situation, brought it to the point of absurdity to make it clearer.
    Capitalism, a consumer society (the "golden calf"), ... are destroying our society .... From this vicious system, officials grow up who despise the people ...
    Our officials do not grow out of capitalism. repeat
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 18 May 2021 11: 32
      0
      - They did not encourage karate ... Art. UK 219. - up to five man-years ... wink
  • bandabas
    bandabas 14 May 2021 15: 24
    +3
    Another imitation of violent activity began. That is, another window dressing.
  • iouris
    iouris 14 May 2021 15: 37
    0
    There can be no "official" patriotism.
    Patriotism in an individual is either present or absent.
    Departmental leaders' imitation of concern for the people and state interests for the sake of increasing budgetary allocations is a betrayal.
  • l.jensen
    l.jensen 14 May 2021 16: 27
    -2
    To many, I see the wrong formation again. Not tired of changing the system? They built communism, then sicism, then returned to nutritionalism. Nothing was ever built. Why didn't they break anything in other countries, didn't build anything out of ... isms, but just reformed what is, removing the unjust, obsolete? Without any shocks and grandiose experiments over their country. You have already gone in a circle and returned to where you started. On the second round? Again civil, enemies of the people, repression, terror, poverty, deficiency, injustice, leaders, and a bright future? ... Do you really think this has not affected the mentality of society, and the fact that you now have it is not natural? I can disappoint you, this should have ended, but this is only the beginning. Do you think you can educate young people? What they do not see is that all you have achieved is defeat and collapse. It seems to me that reforms are needed aimed at making citizens interested in the development of the country, then the mentality will change and the youth will change.
    1. Hanurik
      Hanurik 14 May 2021 20: 53
      0
      "Uncle, are you a fool?" (from)
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 14 May 2021 22: 14
    +3
    Good article, all on the topic. The point is not at all about weapons, but about the long-term destruction of those important life values, moral foundations in society .. Total corruption, the work of officials for show, sweeping problems under the carpet, complete censorship on television, where only mostly narrowly limited information from the heading ( Tsar of All Russia Tsar) All this flies like a snowball from a big mountain. People who have found the Soviet era sadly remember the peaceful sky overhead, schools without guards and cameras, open courtyards of playgrounds without admissions and barriers. And most importantly, living then we felt safe and at the same time did not have a whole army of police, National Guard and other services. Why was it possible then and not possible today? Why is a fool crying for every second person driving today? Why were people then more humane and did not try to shit on each other's heads? Why the communists could create an educated developed society, they could establish all the processes of educating a person as a person who will benefit society, and yet 3 presidents cannot do this so far. And I'll tell you what's the matter - it's the system. And this system worked under the Soviets like an expensive Swiss watch without a single glitch.
  • Aag
    Aag 14 May 2021 23: 45
    +3
    Quote: Bearded
    Quote: YOUR
    And what about Blagoveshchensk in the Amur Region? He came to the technical school and shot him, the peasant was fired from the bank, he came and the one for which he was fired, he slammed. Or Kerch.
    But it constantly turns out that in fact everyone had problems with their heads.
    And our valiant media. Almost direct reporting is from the scene. Almost calling, do the same and they will tell you about you.

    For fanatical crimes, you need to execute a cruel death, and broadcast for days so that everyone sees how the fanatic regrets that he was even born into the world.

    Well, stop wailing! Quarter, wheel, hang for that, for, that ... Are you, man, or a woman a hired mourner?
    Of course, I share the grief with the relatives and friends of the victims; I hope for the professionalism of the doctors, good luck to them and the wounded, fortitude to those close to you! ...
    But, since we are, shall we say, at a somewhat specialized forum, let's discuss how to make sure that such tragedies do not recur, that there were no prerequisites for them. hi
    What do they offer? (Impose!)
    - "Tighten" arms turnover ... Nuuu, maybe I partially agree ... The next thing: will they ban gas cylinders, cans of gasoline, trucks? Everyone should stand, everyone should be afraid !? (thanks to the Author, - he mixed up the topic from a different angle , -do not hang, burn alive, tea is not the first time ...)
    - Strengthen (deepen) (expand) psychological testing ... Will you find psychologists? Now the record is 1,5 months! And many know how this happens. And NOT ALWAYS because the "psychologists" are crooked, corrupt ...
    -Transfer all objects (which are all? -Schools, kindergartens, colleges, universities, youth theaters, secondary schools, shopping centers, further on the list) under the protection of the Russian Guard?
    Those. to imprison guys 18-20 years old with weapons ... The initiators at least know the procedure for using weapons? The statistics of the state of emergency in the Armed Forces with the use of small arms? ... Don't remember Evsyukov? BUT! This is the same department headed by Mr. Zolotov!
    It's him today on the air "Vesti FM broadcasting: they say service in the RF Armed Forces is a fig, the level is not the same ... 21 years old ... For a minute (!) - the head of the security department (!)
    ... And nobody edited it!
    ..Just like yesterday on TV news: "our correspondent from Kazan, from the scene:" Good afternoon! I always run in the morning ... "... Background pictures are fast, bloody children ... We what, completely beguiled the coast?! Or on purpose? ...
    ... ... Continue, sorry ...
    And nothing that conscripts carry officers, warrant officers on public roads in trucks ...
    Agree, there is a bias in logic.
    ... There are no words, populism, companionship ... (((
  • didra
    didra 15 May 2021 13: 01
    -1
    The real cause of mass murders is massive, the degradation of moral feeling. Behind the cries of the need to punish the bastards of the murderers and the attacks on the authorities, there is a general unwillingness to take responsibility for what is happening. In fact, modern urban Russia is a Western-style society composed of non-Western people. Modern Russia is a country of consumers! With this arrangement of life, all (this is a hyperbole) events are evaluated through meeting the needs of consumers. The people themselves are perceived as an aggregate mass consumer. HERE ARE SOME OF THESE SATISFIED CONSUMERS AND KILL BY FLYING OFF THE REEL.
    1. iouris
      iouris 15 May 2021 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: didra
      the cause of the massacres is massive, the degradation of moral sense

      And where is the state in this scheme? It is it that intensely forms this feeling. As a result, we have what we have. This is called collapse.
      1. didra
        didra 15 May 2021 13: 26
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        Yes, you are right, the role of the state is important, as well as the role of religiosity (churchliness) and traditional consciousness of people. Russia has three pillars: the Christian faith, the countryside and historical statehood. One of these pillars (traditional peasant culture) has collapsed, the second (faith) is in decline. Here is the result: the state is failing.
  • Jager
    Jager 15 May 2021 20: 50
    +1
    The answer to comrade Samosonov about the "golden calf".
    We have 30 years as capitalism - a state ideology.
    ANYONE in this system is configured to "steal and dump". This is not the USSR.
    A familiar deputy, one of the few decent ones, tried to fight. Long ago in the cemetery.
  • Nicola
    Nicola 16 May 2021 20: 51
    0
    I support the author. There is no ideology, what the country is building is unknown, but what happened, everyone feels on himself.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 17 May 2021 11: 10
    0
    To such an extent, the low professionalism of the highly seated, a simple example, everyone will have a conversation with a psychologist, and where they will go, now, look there such queues, mom do not worry, who will decide this, by the squares, by the computer, you retire money you can't find, everyone broke in there and offer some non-marketing solutions. You need to start with upbringing, as it was in the USSR, but you can’t even do that, just talk, boltology and promises. The question is not in the circulation of weapons and their quantity, severity, but in EDUCATION, but what kind of upbringing is in question, when young people see how their parents live, working two or three jobs and receiving pitiful handouts, how their grandparents live ., how close to the body, oligarchs and all other sycophants live. As they promote their children to high positions, ordinary people do not have any growth. This is where the problems of the Far Eastern partisans, Kerch, and now Kazan come from. And in the aggregate, this speaks of a complete failure and mediocrity of domestic policy in the field of pedagogy, education, social justice, nothing good from your decisions, only problems and deterioration in the life of the SIMPLE PEOPLE, a swamp, rotten and rotten.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 18 May 2021 12: 01
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    - If we accept that social consciousness has a certain inertia of development, then everything that happens today can be explained as follows:
    - The moral code of the builders of communism was very successfully superimposed on the centuries-old education of the Russian people in the spirit of the Gospel commandments ... And this code almost copied them. However, the main component was removed from the context - the Fear of God!
    - God sees everything, he cannot be deceived, reckoning for sins (read - offenses) is inevitable! Pursuing certain goals (gaining full power over a citizen - the Church is also power), the Bolsheviks pulled out this core, laying a kind of time bomb under the psychology of the future society.
    - For some time (inertia!) The symbiosis of the old and the new teachings worked successfully - they stole, killed, committed adultery less laughing .... BUT!
    - There is no God, all-seeing and rewarding ... But a person can be deceived, persuaded, eliminated in the end ... And where the Bible taught to love your neighbor, reality taught to take away and divide!
    - And now, after many years, if we take into account the supposed inertia of thinking, we are approaching the peak of the development of the "heresy" of the era of social reality.
    - There is no Paradise - neither evangelical nor communist, but in order to enter the one that is proposed now, you just have to steal (to one degree or another, or how else - the initial capital) and kill, let alone deceive - sweet sugar!
    - And the saddest thing is that it will take more than a dozen years before our deserted (or deserted?) Society will return to genuine values! Such is the theory ... wink
  • andybuts
    andybuts 21 May 2021 17: 18
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    Quote: sergo1914
    Capitalism, a consumer society ("golden calf"), constant search and pursuit of pleasures (hedonism) destroy our society, primarily youth, children, our future. From this vicious system, officials grow, despising the people and creeping before those who are of higher rank. The most terrible Russophobes, cosmopolitans and Westernizers are not in the countries of Western Europe, the USA, the Baltic states or in the Ukraine, they are “our” officials who despise and hate the people, Russia. Which take their families, children and capital abroad, and in Russia "work".

    How can you talk about the patriotic education of children, youth and the people in general, when representatives of the "elite" of Russia, officials, judges, deputies, senators and their relatives prefer to rest and live in the West? There they set up "alternate airfields." The people receive a beggarly existence and formal patriotism.


    so after all, in their opinion, the grandfathers won in spite of, and now we will also be able to fight for the capital of the powerful and the rich because of the Russian spirit