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Black deed: the tragedy in Kazan as a reason for the return of the death penalty

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Source: ria.ru


Terrible routine


After the first shock from News indignation came from Kazan. From how easily and naturally 19-year-old Ilnaz Galyaviev did his dirty work. In the first days after the massacre, a mass of facts surfaced, raising uncomfortable questions. To power, to others, to yourself.


Source: ria.ru

On May 12, the Investigative Committee of Tatarstan announced that Galyaviev had been diagnosed with a serious brain disease. Some Telegram channels (unfortunately, they are now the most efficient news providers) even called this disease - encephalopathy. However, this does not mean anything concrete - under the encephalopathy can hide organic brain lesions of different nature and scale. The Kazan killer, according to the Investigative Committee, went to doctors several times with complaints of headaches. He was not registered with a psychiatrist and narcologist, and the military commissariat approved him as a conscript. As we know, Galyaviev legally received permission to purchase weapons literally a couple of weeks before the massacre of children and teachers. Was it due to a tragic confluence of factors, or is there any negligence in the controlling structures?


Source: ria.ru

Even more paradoxical are the recordings of surveillance cameras on the streets adjacent to the gymnasium. If the footage is indeed Galyaviev, then he was not afraid of anything on the way to school and did not hide his intentions. Of course, he is clearly a psychopath, but what were the passersby thinking as the man in black walked past with a bag and a hunting rifle? Or the drivers of passing cars, who did not bother to spend five minutes, stop and dial the alarming 112. Apparently, they thought that a cosplay festival was organized near the school.

Worst of all, the psychopath didn't bother too much with the planning of the mass murder. He just took weapons, cartridges, equipped himself and went to school, where he spent more than one year. Galyaviev walked the usual route, knew all the nooks and crannies in the building and most of the employees. The realization of the routine of murder makes you especially uncomfortable.
The investigation has yet to find out all the circumstances of the Kazan tragedy, but the failure with the security system in the educational institution is already clear. In the footage taken by eyewitnesses, you can see the details of the entrance lobby in the school yard. There is no hint of the presence of electromagnetic locks and a video camera on the openwork door. Usually it is issued by an internal opening button located at a distance from the fence. To prevent an unwanted element from reaching and opening the entrance from the outside. The elementary security logic dictates that no outsider should enter the school grounds without the knowledge of the guard or watchman. You don't have to go far for examples. In the Tyumen region, where I live and work, the vast majority of schools are equipped with such access control systems. Moreover, many educational institutions are equipped with video cameras that make it possible to unambiguously identify a person with a hunting rifle at the gate. In schools with more than 1 students, booths with security guards were additionally installed at each entrance. Initial jokes about turning schools into impregnable forts died down after May 11.

Skeptics will probably argue that even such measures will not save the school from attack. Of course, an organized terrorist gang will not be stopped even by ten guards with truncheons, cameras and locks, but a lone psychopath like Galyaviev will be forced to look for a new target for an attack. And this is a waste of time and a high probability of being captured by the security forces. Someone will remember the "oil" Tyumen region. They say that chickens do not peck money, so they allow themselves such security measures. But Tatarstan is far from being a subsidized region and the situation itself, when a murderer in the capital of the region freely enters school with a gun at the ready, it cannot be anything other than a shame. In addition, it looks very dull история with payment for the services of private security companies. Allegedly, the school did not have the funds to renew the contract. Not found or did not want to? And, finally, why are issues not related to the educational process solved at the expense of the school (or, worse, parental money) budget? Kazan Municipality is not able to take it upon itself? According to the children's ombudsman Anna Kuznetsova, every tenth school in Tatarstan is not guarded.

We can only hope that elementary security systems will appear in the gymnasium No. 175 in Kazan. Only now they will be paid for with the blood of students and teachers.

Responsiveness


In the Kazan tragedy, a certain interest is aroused by the reaction of the authorities and legislators. As usual, everything revolves around the karmic “forbid” and “toughen up”. Tighten the procedure for the sale and registration of weapons. As it became known, Galyaviev received a weapon permit two weeks before the execution of the children. That is, he first planned the attack, and then acquired a gun. Some lawmakers believe that it is time to tighten the screws on the Internet. It is not clear just what tools the state has in this area - most of the servers are located abroad. In fact, the problem of access can be solved only by cutting off the Internet altogether. Otherwise, unfortunately, there is no way. An example of Telegram once "forbidden" is an excellent illustration of this. The already outdated slogans about the corruption of the younger generation with bloody computer games were heard. It turned out corny. However, as an option to get your portion of fame on the wave of tragedy, it is quite applicable. In general, much of the response to school killings is like trying to solve the problem with as little financial cost as possible.


Source: sputniknews-uz.com

The opposite effect of various prohibitive measures should not be disregarded. For example, initiatives to make it more difficult to access small arms. Firstly, it stimulates the underground arms market, which can turn into even greater tragedies. Secondly, domestic manufacturers of civilian weapons will inevitably suffer. Ultimately, Russia's innocent hunting community and associated markets and infrastructure will suffer.

Some commentators, without really coming up with anything, threw in the abstract:
"The correct school guard does not depend on the watchman, not on the soldier, but on the head."
Nobody is ready to tell what exactly is required from the head. Some, however, dare to give quite tangible advice. For example, psychologist and business consultant Maria Zaburmakh. In her opinion, the work on the prevention of such tragedies should begin with the cultivation of a culture of conflict that inevitably arise in life. Maria obviously has a very rough idea of ​​school life and how many children go through psychologists and class teachers. Besides, what kind of culture of raising the conflict can we talk about if a psychopathic killer realized a couple of months ago that he was a god. And besides, with organic brain damage.

But there were also quite common ideas among the initiatives. On the introduction of an age limit for the possession of weapons and obtaining a permit only after serving in the army. State Duma Deputy Alexander Khinshtein sees a way out, first of all, in increasing the level of safety in schools. If necessary, educational institutions should be turned into fortresses, and entrance and exit should be organized only according to individual cards. But this requires a lot of money and political will.
The massacre at school, by the way, is far from the first in Russia, again raised the question of the justice of the death penalty. Since 1996 in our country, as you know, there has been a moratorium on the legalized killing of scum who have committed the most serious crimes. Then this decision was dictated more by political motives than ephemeral humanity.

The country sought to get closer to the "enlightened" West and expected approval in return for a moratorium. It is not worth talking about the fate of our relations with European humanists. Maybe we should already return to the highest measure? Moreover, the Kazan tragedy simply obliges us to do this. If necessary, let us recall all the pros - the need for lifelong support for the scum, the feelings of the victims' relatives and the absence of a “last frontier” for hardened repeat offenders. One can forget that forensic examination may fail in the event of a Kazan execution - the identity of Ilnaz Galyaviev has been unambiguously established, there are a lot of witnesses and video materials. After all, the article could be limited to aggravated murder of minors. If an appropriate plebiscite is held in Russia tomorrow, the overwhelming majority of the population will vote for the return of capital punishment. At least in the appendix to Galyaviev's crime.

The main heroes of the Kazan tragedy, however sad it may sound, were the teachers. Not law enforcement agencies, not security guards, but teachers and school administration. After the explosion in the foyer, they promptly notified by intercom and messenger that there was a terrorist at the school. Most of the teachers managed to close the doors and hide the children. And 26-year-old English teacher Elvira Ignatieva covered the students at the cost of her life ...
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  1. yehat2
    yehat2 13 May 2021 10: 05
    +12
    Listen to his interrogation. A man with trash in his head and complete inadequacy.
    The state's punishment system is not aimed at revenge, but at protecting society from incidents.
    How will the death of this patient affect others who have the same mess in their heads? No way!
    Therefore, I believe that just this case is not at all a reason for the return of the death penalty.
    In other matters, it is not worth turning the matter into a farce, as the fate of Breivik looks like.
    A much more serious reason is corrupt officials and fraudsters who cause damage worth billions of rubles.
    Here they are worthy of the death penalty, which China, the United Arab Emirates, Iran, the United States and others are doing quite successfully.
    This guy managed to kill several people with a gun, and a big thief indirectly kills people in hundreds, if not thousands.
    And sets an example for others.
    And about this case, you need to think about the upbringing of people and the system that in the USSR did not allow people to "perish".
    Strengthening the security of schools is also a strange idea. Examples of the effectiveness of such activities are visible in the United States - it does not help at all.
    It is necessary to engage in prevention, not confrontation and consequences.
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 13 May 2021 10: 24
      +25
      If an appropriate plebiscite is held in Russia tomorrow, the overwhelming majority of the population will vote for the return of capital punishment. At least in the appendix to Galyaviev's crime.
      Definitely. You can add more articles for terrorism and treason.
      1. prior
        prior 13 May 2021 11: 05
        +12
        You can add more articles for terrorism and treason.

        Yes. But all this and terrorism and treason was provoked by someone's theft and corruption.
        This means that the death penalty should also be introduced for large-scale theft and corruption.
        1. dorz
          dorz 13 May 2021 11: 16
          +9
          Quote: prior
          This means that the death penalty should also be introduced for large-scale theft and corruption.

          The opinion of the authorities has already been repeatedly voiced about the inadmissibility of the resumption of the death penalty for serious crimes and the concern of the "servants of the people" is understandable.
          1. prior
            prior 13 May 2021 11: 18
            +13
            It is this "anxiety" that clearly shows who "stole and ate bacon".
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 13 May 2021 16: 19
              -9
              The article is correct. The only pity is that in some places they hope for "maybe" and almost everyone quite quickly forgets the sad consequences of sloppiness and it continues. And it is not the authorities and not Mishustin and Putin who are to blame for this.

              And there would have been no execution if there had been a video camera at the entrance and TWO guards, one of whom was tracking the entrance through it. I'm not talking about the security guards' weapons, instant locking of doors and turnstiles, alarming broadcasts around the school. All this have make school principals, not Putin.
              1. Pavel Vladimirov
                Pavel Vladimirov 15 May 2021 04: 43
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                2 guards are not enough, it is better for 5. and if there are not enough men in the country, they will hire migrants.
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          3. 210ox
            210ox 16 May 2021 09: 44
            +1
            They are not even afraid of the death penalty itself. And the fact that if the moratorium is lifted, foreign business trips will be covered. The fish has long been rotten and rotten.
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        3. Achilles
          Achilles 13 May 2021 15: 50
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          Quote: prior
          Yes. But all this and terrorism and treason was provoked by someone's theft and corruption.
          This means that the death penalty should also be introduced for large-scale theft and corruption.

          Better not the death penalty, but send to uranium mines and to very hard work associated with a great risk of spoiling his health, just imagine he is sitting in a cell (for life) and working at such work and he will have one thought and thus will realize that he will die here sooner or later, it is much harder than just death, and then show on TV what became of him there and how hard it is, so that the next one hundred times think before stealing (corrupt officials) and for other individuals (terrorists, serial killers, etc.). One can argue: to scare a suicide bomber with the death penalty is just to make you laugh. It is already demoralized, it was going to die and is ready for this. that is, this method cannot be used to defeat the terrorist.
          A suicide (who goes to shoot and commit suicide) threatens to be shot - to ease his fate, if you want to remove, so to speak, sin with his nasty little soul: he has already overcome the fear of death, overcame the strongest instinct for self-preservation. Ie this scum will not stop the psychic electric chair.
          Serial killers and psychopaths are mental patients, but they will kill for the rest of their lives, but their death will not be an obstacle for other serial killers - they are crazy, they are driven by other instincts and reflexes. That is, by executing one, we will not stop the other, although we will save tens and hundreds of innocent lives.
          Execute corrupt officials. Well, they are being executed in China, and why are they stealing less? If the embezzlers had been taken out, then there would have been no one to execute, and they are being executed to this day, which means that the supreme measure does not work.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 16 May 2021 09: 47
            +1
            Come on about the mine. You have no idea how they work there and what it is all about. Specialists are hired there for good money and a social package. And I will not repeat about labor and health protection at all. There is a queue for many years.
        4. Pushkar
          Pushkar 13 May 2021 16: 07
          +9
          Quote: prior
          Yes. But all this and terrorism and treason was provoked by someone's theft and corruption.

          "Why did you kill the children?" "Yes, my neighbor is such a thief, such a thief!" "You didn't kill your neighbor, the innocent!" "Duck, after all, the neighbor is such a thief, such a thief!"
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 19: 49
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            Quote: Pushkar
            "Why did you kill the children?"

            Shevchenko voiced the true reasons very well.
        5. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 13 May 2021 20: 31
          +5
          Quote: prior
          But all this and terrorism and treason was provoked by someone's theft and corruption.

          Seriously? That is, Khava Barayeva blew herself up after watching the "investigation" about "Dirt Room ©"in a non-existent" Putin's "palace, and her nephew was captured by the GKZ on Dubrovka, after watching" He's not Dimon for you "? Apparently Skripal and others were forced to betray their Motherland by corruption scandals? Do you seriously think so, or do you post such game out of despair? hopelessness, in the sense that it is necessary to "regurgitate" something, but in the manual there was not a single suitable paragraph.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 13 May 2021 13: 04
        +4
        Quote: SERGE ant
        Definitely. You can add more articles for terrorism and treason.

        articles - then you can add and you can return the death penalty, but who and how it will be applied - are you thinking? After the events in the 30s, the USSR approached this issue very carefully.
        And I must say that most of the sentences were completely fair. And now, do you believe the judges to whom you want to entrust such a weapon? Exactly? And it will not be so that then there will be the death penalty for late alimony?
        Do you want to walk on the rake again? I'm not very good, because I have not forgotten the names of Yagoda, Yezhov, Khrushchev, who sent tens of thousands of people to be shot. If the death penalty is to be returned, this cannot be done in an environment where the court is corrupt through and through. How many scandals with judges every year - look at what tough they are doing.
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 13 May 2021 14: 44
        +3
        Quote: SERGE ant
        Definitely. You can add more articles for terrorism and treason.

        Executing a murderer is, of course, a fair thing, but what does it decide? In the conditions of our places of imprisonment for "life sentences" the average term of their life is 4-7 years. This is what the statistics say. But most importantly, people are killed and they cannot be returned. We need to somehow prevent these crimes. I agree with the author, it is necessary to provide a barrier at the entrance to the educational institution. And not as a watchman, but by technical means. To develop a typical "entrance group" with access by cards, biometric parameters, etc., which would cut off strangers from the interior of the establishment. If we recall especially high-profile crimes of this kind, then the overwhelming majority of criminals were those students or former students who had unresolved conflicts either with the teaching staff or with classmates. To prevent these situations, I think it would be interesting to consider the possibility of introducing classroom guidance not as a "passing load" for 5000 additional payments, but as a separate full rate. The task of such a specialist could be set to lead the students of the class during the entire period of his studies at school. This CR should be the link between the school and the student's family. Then he could influence the conflict conditions around the child, determine the amount of additional attention required to minimize the child's failures in school disciplines, etc. As an option. It's just that today the inner world of an individual child is hanging in the air, no one cares about him. Except for some of the parents. But most of them are not specialists in child psychology. I am not saying that this will solve all the problems, but I think it can significantly reduce them. And to begin with, conduct a pilot vehicle. experiment to try. Maybe something more sensible and work out. It's just that no one is proposing systemic measures today. Tightening the rules for acquiring weapons will not reduce the number of those wishing to avenge old, perhaps far-fetched, grievances. The only thing that will change is the type of weapon used.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 19: 51
          +5
          Quote: Hagen
          Executing a murderer is, of course, a fair thing, but what does it decide?

          The threat of death for what you have done is the strongest demotivator, which life is not.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 13 May 2021 19: 58
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The threat of death for what you have done is the strongest demotivator, which life is not.

            You think so. Can you cite any research?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 20: 03
              +2
              Quote: Hagen
              Can you cite any research?

              Violent crime statistics with capital punishment versus none.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 13 May 2021 20: 12
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Violent crime statistics with capital punishment versus none.

                Statistics are just bare numbers. At different times, there were different ideological, economic and other conditions that have a noticeable impact on the state of crime. This is a difficult question, over which many copies have been broken, and no one has been able to prove anything to anyone. And it’s not so important today. Crime prevention, impact on the causes of growth / decline in rates - this is where energy should be directed. Children do not become pranksters in peacetime overnight. They go to this for a long time on their own and with the help of not good "senior comrades". Seeing and re-targeting the child in time, and at the same time raising the quality of education and positive motivation for self-development - that's what is more important, I think.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 20: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  and no one managed to prove anything to anyone

                  How could I not? And who doesn't care? Do not lead the dialogue into the jungle of taftology, there are numbers, there is an understanding that the threat of death is perceived as the strongest demotivator on a subconscious, instinctive level.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  See and retarget the child in time, and at the same time raise the quality of education and positive motivation for self-development

                  A. Here I agree. But judging by the trends in education, this is not what the current government is striving for. She needs a competent consumer, and nothing more.
        2. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 13 May 2021 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: Hagen
          In the conditions of our places of imprisonment for "life sentences" the average term of their life is 4-7 years. This is what the statistics say.

          Really?
          Quote: Hagen
          Statistics are just bare numbers.

          Some of those who were replaced at the PZ in the late 90s are still imprisoned, and the special colony is very different from the general or strict regime. I have not seen it myself, but I watched a couple of documentaries about maniacs, just from the colony for "death row".
      4. Devyatomayets
        Devyatomayets 13 May 2021 17: 11
        +5
        Quote: SERGE ant
        articles for terrorism

        Support.

        Quote: SERGE ant
        treason

        Blurred abstract garbage which twist and twirl as I want in the name of political conjuncture. Let me remind you that Beria, who gave us the atomic bomb, as well as the Stalinist hero Abakumov, were executed just for treason, as, allegedly, Japanese-Polish-Anglican-German spies.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 13 May 2021 10: 28
      +3
      Where did he get a certificate from a neurologist for a weapon ?!
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 13 May 2021 11: 24
        +1
        I'm also very interested in how this guy got a weapon, and a rather dangerous one.
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 13 May 2021 16: 49
          0
          Quote: yehat2
          I'm also very interested in how this guy got a weapon, and a rather dangerous one.

          It's actually easy to go through a psychiatrist and a neurologist. Does he ask the usual questions? Are you worried about something? Not. Look at you - everything. They will check your blood for drugs, a neurologist will check your wrong system. With a hammer under the knee - that's it.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 19: 57
            +1
            Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
            It's actually easy to go through a psychiatrist and a neurologist.

            During interrogation, he said that he had bought the certificate. That. that this is true is no secret to anyone. Top twenty who issued the certificate, this is the solution.
            1. Ilya22558
              Ilya22558 14 May 2021 08: 46
              +2
              A weapon certificate can be bought easily, in any medical center that issues weapons / driver's certificates, etc., but to obtain it you need to provide two more certificates: the first from the district psycho-neurological dispensary at the place of registration, that you are not registered and there are no restrictions to ownership (interview with a psychiatrist), the second from the district narcological dispensary also at the place of registration, that you are not registered and there are no restrictions on ownership (here you need to talk to a district narcologist), and she is issued only if there is a negative analysis for drugs. In short, getting these two certificates of hemorrhoids is still the same, and in their absence, no medical organization will issue a weapon certificate (sell).
              So the question is specifically to the district PND (psycho-neurological dispensary)
        2. Devyatomayets
          Devyatomayets 13 May 2021 17: 27
          +1
          Quote: yehat2
          I'm also very interested in how this guy got a weapon, and a rather dangerous one.


          I got it through the connivance of our state, which found the guy reliable enough to wield not only a gun, but also an assault rifle, grenades, a tank, an armored vehicle, an RPG, and artillery:

          The military registration and enlistment office recognized Ilnaz Galyaviev, who organized the shooting at a school in Kazan, fit for service, despite the brain damage. This became known to the LIFE SHOT Telegram channel.
        3. Alf
          Alf 13 May 2021 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: yehat2
          I'm also very interested in how this guy got a weapon, and a rather dangerous one.


          Any questions ?
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 14 May 2021 08: 24
            +2
            the question was rhetorical.
            we have quite a few people who are regularly caught at the intersection of a solid line while driving, but their license does not magically disappear.
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 13 May 2021 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: Clever man
        Where did he get a certificate from a neurologist for a weapon ?!

        And besides a psychiatrist, you also need a neurologist? He seems to have nothing to do with the psyche.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 13 May 2021 15: 05
          +2
          besides the psyche, there is also a banal reaction of the nervous system
          never seen your finger jump on the trigger? That's when thoughts often arise, whether a person was at a neurologist.
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 13 May 2021 22: 11
            0
            Quote: yehat2
            never seen your finger jump on the trigger?

            I have not seen, I think hilariously. Apparently on the trigger.
      3. Pushkar
        Pushkar 13 May 2021 16: 14
        +2
        Quote: Clever man
        Where did he get a certificate from a neurologist for a weapon ?!

        The Internet is full of ads for a fee, and a completely outside psychiatrist who does not even know whether this person is registered or not, gives a certificate.
    3. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 13 May 2021 10: 48
      +13
      I am for the death penalty for infanticides, murderers of defenseless women and old people, unequivocally.
      It will be humane in relation to our society ... peace-loving human rights activists began to disgust me after another murder of a child, a pregnant woman or a frail old man who was slaughtered by bandits for a penny pension.
      1. Stone
        Stone 13 May 2021 11: 25
        +4
        You cannot scare such people with a simple death; moreover, they will also write themselves down as martyrs. Death for such should be so painful that normal people would lose consciousness from horror. Then, maybe someone, from such crimes, she will scare away.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 13 May 2021 13: 29
          +2
          It will be especially great if a person is accused by mistake and tortured to death))?
          1. Lycan
            Lycan 13 May 2021 14: 21
            +2
            Quote: Clever man
            it will be great if a person is accused by mistake and tortured to death

            That is, special drugs + polygraph. Quite working modern tools.
            1. Devyatomayets
              Devyatomayets 13 May 2021 17: 47
              +2
              Quote: Lycan
              That is, special drugs + polygraph.


              And will the same doctors inject you with special drugs and read the results of the polygraph, that the "hero" of the article was twice recognized as suitable for handling weapons at medical examinations?
              1. Lycan
                Lycan 14 May 2021 10: 48
                0
                There is no need to juggle. In any case, in order to achieve the maximum required result, the most experienced and motivated specialist is required. And what is going on there at the medical commissions - let us leave to the conscience of the bosses and personnel officers of these medical commissions, as well as the military enlistment offices. I explain the problem of everything that worries us: the "culture of production" should be improved - this includes any activity, even honey. survey.
            2. smart ass
              smart ass 14 May 2021 08: 57
              0
              Will you entrust a person's life to a machine?
              1. Lycan
                Lycan 14 May 2021 11: 06
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                Quote: Clever man
                Will you entrust a person's life to a machine?

                Cardiograph, pacemaker, magnetorez. a tomograph, an X-ray machine - is it not "trust in a machine"? Yes, these systems are much simpler than what we are talking about, but the technology does not stand still. Technology is the future of the development of areas where human abilities are not enough (or they are temporary (until a specialist retires).
                1. smart ass
                  smart ass 14 May 2021 22: 06
                  0
                  Everything that you have listed does not kill people. Would you trust the machine to pass judgment on your son and carry him out ?!
                  1. Lycan
                    Lycan 15 May 2021 21: 05
                    0
                    "Directly" does not kill, but indirectly - life depends.
                    Quote: Clever man
                    Would you trust a machine to pass judgment on your son and carry him out?

                    The machine should be properly debugged, protected from hacking. And for the first considerable period, the judges should work in parallel to correct decisions. And - what, in fact, is the difference - will it allow the same an error of an experienced judge or a robot, if the decision-making algorithm (methodology for completing the task) is the same?
                    Quote: Clever man
                    Would you trust a machine to pass judgment on your son and carry him out?

                    If the authorities consider it expedient to employ automated decision-making systems, we will not have to choose between trust or distrust. As with electronic payment systems, which are gradually replacing cash, on which, by the way, the lives of our children also depend, and which (electronic payment system) can also be blocked for specific purposes. person. Do you have any long-term "choice" on this topic? I don't think so.
                    1. smart ass
                      smart ass 16 May 2021 09: 11
                      0
                      You did not answer my question
                      1. Lycan
                        Lycan 16 May 2021 12: 20
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                        Answered.
                        Quote: Lycan
                        Do you have any long-term "choice" on this topic? I don't think so.

                        We'll have to trust.
          2. Stone
            Stone 14 May 2021 00: 01
            0
            There are crimes in which the criminal is obvious, such as a beast in Kazan. In any case, there should be a delay of several years for the investigation. And as for the executioners, a one-time normal fee, but at least 100 thousand (rubles of course), I think there will be quite a few people willing, the competition will have to be held.
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 14 May 2021 09: 17
              +1
              yes, this is one of the protection elements
              in the USSR after the war, they preferred to postpone the death penalty for 2-3-5 years, so that
              enable the judicial system to correct a possible error,
              because too many cases have accumulated when they rushed to execute an innocent person.
              pause is normal.
            2. smart ass
              smart ass 14 May 2021 22: 07
              -1
              Yeah, a competition of the same psychopaths)))
          3. Alexander Seklitsky
            Alexander Seklitsky 15 May 2021 15: 01
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            Do you have doubts about the guilt of this shooter?
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 15 May 2021 16: 29
              0
              I have doubts about the effectiveness of our judicial system
              1. Alexander Seklitsky
                Alexander Seklitsky 15 May 2021 16: 40
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                Well then, the investigating authorities. They are the ones who collect the evidence base. Of course, I understand that miscarriages of justice are possible, but still there must be a mechanism that, in special cases, will be able to lift the moratorium, in particular, as in this case. And as for me, the execution should be public, by hanging. How they dealt with punishers, collaborators and Nazi criminals.
        2. Pushkar
          Pushkar 13 May 2021 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Sten
          Death for such should be so painful that normal people would lose consciousness from horror.

          Will you torture?
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 13 May 2021 17: 42
            +2
            Quote: Pushkar
            Will you torture?
            Relatives of the killed.
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 13 May 2021 22: 41
              +1
              Quote: bk0010
              Relatives of the killed.

              Did you ask them if they want to become katas? The power of the law is not in the horror of punishment, but in the inevitability of punishment.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 13 May 2021 22: 50
                +1
                Quote: Pushkar
                Did you ask them if they want to become katas? The power of the law is not in the horror of punishment, but in the inevitability of punishment.
                They cannot provide inevitability, but for my own I will provide such horror that the devil will become sick.
              2. Stone
                Stone 14 May 2021 00: 05
                0
                Crime is crime strife. In this case, this is no longer even an attack, it is some kind of non-human atrocity. And he should not be judged by human laws.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: Pushkar
            Will you torture?

            After seeing the photos of the class with the murdered children sent to me, I remembered the film "Law Abiding Citizen".
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 14 May 2021 22: 08
              0
              Yeah a movie for the mentally disabled)))
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 May 2021 06: 46
                0
                Why? Just a fair retribution, carried to the point of absurdity.
                1. smart ass
                  smart ass 15 May 2021 16: 30
                  0
                  Where did he climb out of the cell, kill and climb back))) delirium of a madman)
        3. Alf
          Alf 13 May 2021 18: 03
          +2
          Quote: Sten
          Death for such should be so painful that normal people would lose consciousness from horror.

          Kylo and uranium. And the daily broadcast of the state.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 13 May 2021 13: 07
        +2
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I am for the death penalty for infanticides, murderers of defenseless women and old people, unequivocally.
        It will be humane in relation to our society ...

        it's all great. And I have a question - when they start to sentence the men who killed their wife for self-defense, will you also agree with this? Do you want that?
        And why is it impossible to introduce executions to parricides, murderers of defenseless husbands?
        I urge you not to give up your beliefs, but to carefully and reasonably approach what you propose. Because basically it sounds, excuse me, sheer tin and nonsense and nothing reasonable.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 13 May 2021 17: 46
          +1
          Self-defense is a separate issue ...
          But what passes through the crime bulletin sometimes resembles a horror movie.
          Two teenagers tied the girl up, raped and threw her tied up in the river alive ... is it like nonsense or what?
          But they will only be given a maximum of 10 - 12 years for this ... they will go out again and kill someone ... how to stop this holiday of death for ghouls.
          The abolition of the death penalty did not stop and did not reduce either the number or the cruelty of murders ... gentlemen, human rights defenders live in a different reality, they do not care about the victims, they do not care about their suffering and torment, the main thing for them is that the killer feels comfortable in prison.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 14 May 2021 09: 45
            -1
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            But they will only be given a maximum of 10-12 years for this ... they will go out again and kill someone

            just let's go without psychosis.
            adolescents are a separate conversation. Many children do not understand the consequences of abuse.
            And, having matured, they will already choose their path differently
            And you propose either to kill them, or to prepare hardened criminals out of them.
            Is it too little in schools to spend a few hours explaining the problem?
            After all, teenagers are not aware of anything, and I myself have witnessed many cruel showdowns back in Soviet schools, simply because adults do not have the leisure to raise children.
            But often there were well-wishers who incited the youngsters to do various things.
      3. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 13 May 2021 13: 10
        +1
        I am for the death penalty for infanticides, murderers of defenseless women and old people, unequivocally.
        It will be humane in relation to our society ...

        So such people jump from the tower about the "left roof" ...
    4. Ka-52
      Ka-52 13 May 2021 11: 17
      +5
      A much more serious reason is corrupt officials and fraudsters who cause damage worth billions of rubles.
      Here they are worthy of the death penalty, which China, the United Arab Emirates, Iran, the United States and others are doing quite successfully.

      neither in Iran, nor in the UAE, nor in the United States, economic crimes are not grounds for the application of punishment in the form of the death penalty. Do not mislead people
      and in general I suggest not to speculate on the Kazan tragedy for the sake of your political convictions.
    5. Horon
      Horon 13 May 2021 11: 17
      +9
      How will the death of this patient affect others who have the same mess in their heads?

      The death of this bot will exclude its maintenance at the expense of the taxes of the relatives of the victims. Eliminate his early release and a new threat from his inadequacy. For one thing, it will indirectly stop those who think they are immortal and invulnerable from attempts to verify this delusion. Relieve society from the possibility of such bots to give offspring.
      The state's punishment system is not aimed at revenge, but at protecting society from incidents.

      The right to revenge is one of the conditions for protecting society and ridding it of antisocial characters. The conclusion is one of the types of punishment, read revenge.
      A much more serious reason is corrupt officials and fraudsters who cause damage worth billions of rubles.

      Sorry, but when your loved one or you "chpoknet" so "sick" from the fact that he is a creative person and it is so convenient for him, then you can speculate about "corruption and corrupt officials" that you dragged out of place! fool
      And about this case, you need to think about the upbringing of people and the system that in the USSR did not allow people to "perish"

      In the USSR, there were also such cases, but the censorship simply did not let them through. Less, but there were. In this situation, minimizing such information played a positive role, not causing a wave of such incidents in people with such inclinations, plus the tougher work of psychiatry, which was later called punitive. Now the Internet is bringing up, and there anyone inadequate can find their like-minded people, as a result, inadequacy and adequacy take very vague forms. Once upon a time, sexual attraction between persons of the same sex was considered inadequate, but now they are pushed out as giftedness, moreover, even pedophilia is being legalized in some countries! How can the upbringing system help against this background and in the context of the global nature of the Internet? Such people do not need upbringing, since in any team they will feel like strangers and again run to the Internet reality where there are like-minded people, they need psychiatrists, not even psychologists. And most importantly, society must determine the boundaries of adequacy, so that the sick in the head do not become "creative" or "special" people with broad views of their freedoms, but are defined precisely as patients with inappropriate behavior.
    6. tech3030
      tech3030 13 May 2021 12: 33
      +3
      I think that if God forbid misfortune happens to your loved ones, you will speak differently.
    7. krops777
      krops777 13 May 2021 12: 56
      +4
      A man with trash in his head and complete inadequacy.


      Personally, my opinion is that he just makes a fool of himself and it is clear why, his trick with his partner is a well-planned action, it is not in vain that the entire investigation was taken over by the FSB and personally this issue is now supervised by Bortnikov, here it clearly smacks of terrorism.
      This ghoul did not work anywhere until the 4th year, he studied well, he does not communicate with his parents, but he found money for everything, then the further you start digging, the more questions. And the powers that be are all trying to shift the focus somewhere, then let's return the death penalty, then we will ban weapons and so on, not a word about organized terrorism. And yet, IMHO, now they are making pitiful but attempts to shield him, then his head hurts, then the encephalogram is bad, and they come up with something else. I would not be surprised if high-ranking officials are involved in this, but these are already theories.
    8. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 13 May 2021 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: yehat2
      The state's punishment system is not aimed at revenge, but at protecting society from incidents.

      There would be several times fewer incidents if the state devoted time and money to educating the younger generation. Starting with nurseries and kindergartens. There are 20 digital TV channels in Russia - what is shown there for teenagers? what can they have as an example to follow? where is the history of the country told? about ancestors who could be proud of?
      We saved on the education of young people - in the future, there will be spending on the maintenance of inadequate in prisons.
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 13 May 2021 20: 43
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        There would be several times fewer incidents if the state devoted time and money to educating the younger generation ...
        We saved on the education of young people - in the future, there will be spending on the maintenance of inadequate in prisons.

        Fair enough, that's just the word "state"should be replaced with"parents"or, at worst,"parents and state", in that order. Give your parents more time for their children, rather than leaving them at the mercy"these internet of yours", in general, there would be an order of magnitude less problems. You can open at least 100500 channels with the correct content, but children, without proper education and, suddenly, supervision, as they watched, will continue to watch Internet channels of various freaks, damages, whores and shit rappers , as well as quite mature scoundrels, provoking various lewd practices. hi
  2. Anachoret
    Anachoret 13 May 2021 10: 07
    +4
    too many questions to the terrorist attack itself.
    why there were two attackers and the second was shot, and then bam and a loner. moreover, synchronously with this event, the same event was prevented in Simferopol. it is very likely that everything was directed by someone.
    this was the anniversary of the decree on the deportation of the Crimean Tatars and terrorist acts of intimidation could well have been planned, but then the special services worked at 5 (or still at 4, taking into account the number of victims)
    It is also worth considering:
    1) will the death penalty solve the crux of the matter? no way. the void will be filled by another shooter, and the lifelong will be a sobering shower for others. once and dying is not as scary as growing old behind bars, realizing that the world has changed, and the guy fucked up his life - he will regret it a hundred times. while others, looking at this example, will ponder.
    2) schools can be surrounded by energized barbed wire and machine-gun towers can be placed around the perimeter, but this will not solve the problem of cockroaches in the head.
    3) the problem of a liberal society is the doom to loneliness, and here is the key difference with a socialist society. it is better to spend money on free circles and clubs of interest. all over the world, the index of happiness includes such an indicator as involvement in such associations. this will allow you to identify "oddities and dangerous thoughts" in the early stages and they can be directed in the right direction. for example, if there is an accumulation of aggression - take it away with sports, there may be a bunch of options. including professional clubs to oblige to introduce a wide selection, and not just for those who can pay.
    you can think over many options and deal with the consequences, but this will not solve the problem
    and the injured children cannot be returned back.
    you don't wish that to an enemy, to be honest
    condolences to all parents and relatives!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 May 2021 10: 26
      +5
      Quote: Anchorite
      will the death penalty solve the crux of the matter? no way

      Perhaps he will decide, at least partially. I have another question: if the military commissariat recognized him as fit for service in the army (and this happens at the age of 18), then why at the age of 19 he was not in the army, but walked around the city? It is possible that in the army all his deviations would have been revealed earlier, and he would not have had free access to weapons.
      And at least a couple of words should have been written about the second guy! Random guy? Partner? Or do they simply refuse to recognize a terrorist act and another gang?
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 May 2021 10: 34
        +2
        if the military commissariat recognized him as fit for service in the army (and this happens at the age of 18), then why was he not in the army at the age of 19


        There he could have access to more serious weapons and with even more serious consequences, although there is nowhere more serious.
        But there are questions to the medical board - how was he allowed to pass?
        1. SERGE ANT
          SERGE ANT 13 May 2021 10: 38
          +9
          Yes, easy. Do not know how to do it? You can buy any certificate, even for a weapon, even for a license. This is where control should be tightened for a long time, so that later you would not be surprised how such weapons are acquired or driven.
          1. Avior
            Avior 13 May 2021 10: 43
            +1
            we are talking about a medical board at the military registration and enlistment office
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 May 2021 20: 07
            +4
            Quote: SERGE ant
            This is where control should be tightened for a long time

            The problem is that tightening under the current government will simply increase the price. And that's all. hi
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 13 May 2021 10: 50
          +7
          Quote: Avior
          if the military commissariat recognized him as fit for service in the army (and this happens at the age of 18), then why was he not in the army at the age of 19


          There he could have access to more serious weapons and with even more serious consequences, although there is nowhere more serious.
          But there are questions to the medical board - how was he allowed to pass?

          Yes, that everyone got to the bottom of the medical commission? He is healthy! He is simulating. So he will be punished. Piosto he is a geek and .... like Chikotilo for example. Destroy the scum like a mad dog.
          1. Avior
            Avior 13 May 2021 11: 23
            -1
            anyway, the examination will be
            if recognized as sane, it will be necessary to look for a motive.
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 13 May 2021 12: 07
              +6
              Everything is correct. Everything is according to the law. But I would destroy such people ... even with mental disabilities. There must be justice.
        3. Normal ok
          Normal ok 13 May 2021 11: 01
          +7
          Quote: Avior
          if the military commissariat recognized him as fit for service in the army (and this happens at the age of 18), then why was he not in the army at the age of 19


          There he could have access to more serious weapons and with even more serious consequences, although there is nowhere more serious.
          But there are questions to the medical board - how was he allowed to pass?

          Somehow in 1990, a new recruit with congenital chronic renal failure (actually disabled since childhood) entered our unit. He nearly died a few days after his arrival. The hospital was pumped out. Then they were discharged. But, here's the question: how was he even called?
          1. Avior
            Avior 13 May 2021 11: 24
            +4
            I witnessed an epilepsy attack in school
            1. Kushka
              Kushka 13 May 2021 11: 40
              +4
              In Liepaja in a radio training, in 1971, soon
              after the arrival, the guy died from Botkin! Can
              just imagine the degree of liver damage, but passed
              two commissions - at the place of residence and naval.
              Four cadets and an officer accompanied "home".
              Have had enough.
          2. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 13 May 2021 12: 15
            +8
            Quote: Normal ok
            Somehow in 1990 he entered our unit

            In the holy 90s, everyone rowed including the lame, oblique and humpbacked. This is me as a sailor (in the Navy and the Airborne Forces - the most stringent selection was) with a vision of -4 I say.
            At that time, "passed the commission" is not about health, but about the level of well-being.
          3. Alf
            Alf 13 May 2021 18: 07
            0
            Quote: Normal ok
            Somehow in 1990, a new recruit with congenital chronic renal failure (actually disabled since childhood) entered our unit. He nearly died a few days after his arrival. The hospital was pumped out. Then they were discharged. But, here's the question: how was he even called?

            Everything is very simple, the military registration and enlistment office is fulfilling the draft plan. In the training, the foreman explained, the military commissar fulfilled the plan, well done, and then we commission.
      2. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 13 May 2021 20: 45
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        if the military commissariat recognized him as fit for service in the army (and this happens at the age of 18), then why at the age of 19 he was not in the army, but walked around the city?

        I was a student.
      3. would
        would 14 May 2021 11: 02
        0
        I have another question: if the military commissariat recognized him as fit for service in the army (and this happens at the age of 18), then why at the age of 19 he was not in the army, but walked around the city?


        It's very simple - a citizen received a secondary vocational education (at the TISBI college), which gives him a deferment from military service for the duration of his studies.

        And at least a couple of words should have been written about the second guy! Random guy? Partner? Or do they simply refuse to recognize a terrorist act and another gang?


        Or, everything is much simpler - the messages about the second arrow do not correspond to reality. For example, someone started a rumor, or at the very initial stage, the authorities really thought that there was a second. This happens all the time.
      4. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 15 May 2021 15: 11
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        why at 19 he was not in the army, but walked around the city?

        elementary watson ... the postponement was
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 13 May 2021 10: 43
      +18
      Quote: Anchorite
      too many questions to the terrorist attack itself.
      why there were two attackers and the second was shot, and then bam and a loner. moreover, synchronously with this event, the same event was prevented in Simferopol. it is very likely that everything was directed by someone.
      this was the anniversary of the decree on the deportation of the Crimean Tatars and intimidation actions could well have been planned, but then the special services worked on 5.
      will the death penalty solve the crux of the matter? no way

      The death penalty is a punishment for an ALREADY committed crime!
      The execution will save potential victims and criminals in the future. This one came out with his hands up ... that is, he wants to live. He feigns madness. The purchase and registration of a weapon speaks of his sanity. Who went through the procedure will confirm that this is a long, many months, multi-step running around. ..and emotions cannot pass it.
      I will explain ...
      1. Go to the Russian Guard and get a list of required documents.
      2.Pass a multi-day medical examination ... at least 7 rooms ...
      3. Pay the state fee.
      4. Take a photo.
      5.Buy, bring and install a safe ...
      6. Complete training and get help.
      7. Find a district police officer, show him the future storage conditions and get a report.
      8. Obtaining a hunting ticket ... is also a separate procedure.
      9.Bring all this to the Russian Guard and write a statement.
      10. You are waiting 30 days for the result of checking you on the bases ...
      11. You get a license.
      12. Buying weapons at the store.
      13. You take him to the Russian Guard.
      14. Within 2 weeks you receive a permit for carrying and storage.
      Will the psycho go through all this without breaking along the way?
      This is a terrorist! Carefully preparing a terrorist attack! I am for the death penalty bastard.
      The question for everyone is: Is it easy for everyone to get a weapon? Is it worth tightening the already one of the most cruel laws in the world? And thus complicating the life of MILLIONS of law-abiding citizens?
      And if he went to school with a chainsaw? Would Putin have ordered to tighten the circulation of chainsaws in the Russian Federation?
      1. Ptolemy Lag
        Ptolemy Lag 13 May 2021 11: 41
        0
        The precinct now does not check the storage conditions for weapons, everything is done by Rosgvardia officers from the LRO.
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 13 May 2021 12: 04
          +2
          Thanks for the amendment. But where there is no opportunity for the Russian Guard, district police still work.
        2. krops777
          krops777 13 May 2021 12: 28
          0
          The precinct now does not check the storage conditions for weapons, everything is done by Rosgvardia officers from the LRO.

          In remote areas and where there is no National Guard, this duty is assigned to the precinct.
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 13 May 2021 13: 15
            +2
            They have never been from the permit, but the district police officers check it almost every year.
        3. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ 13 May 2021 13: 14
          +1
          And the district police officer checks every two years. Was recently
      2. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 13 May 2021 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Barkhan
        Pass a multi-day medical examination ... at least 7 rooms ...

        Two years ago I did it - about two hours in queues, plus I waited until it was ready. In total, about five. Moreover, he actually did it, and did not buy it. Just not a clinic, but a specialized center in Armavir.
    3. Horon
      Horon 13 May 2021 11: 36
      +8
      will the death penalty solve the crux of the matter? no way. the void will be filled by another shooter, and the lifelong will be a sobering shower for others.

      The death penalty will solve the issue of humanity in relation to victims and rid society of the geek. Lifetime this and many more did not stop, but it will hang the content of this bot on the society affected by it. Only destruction, and even at the expense of his relatives, with a mandatory ban on burial. Such graves should not even have.
      the problem of a liberal society is the doom to loneliness and here the key difference with a socialist society

      Yes Yes! One with a bowl, and seven with a spoon! An excellent example for collectivism! In Soviet society, there were also such.
      involvement in such associations. this will allow you to identify "oddities and dangerous thoughts"

      Just about a pair of each creature! And nothing that terrorists are also listed in clubs of interest ?! And the oddities in such associations are not only not noticed, but developed and used!
  3. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 13 May 2021 10: 09
    -3
    Ilnaz has cerebral atrophy, he is not afraid of the death penalty. And RV is worse than execution. Criminals have been rotting in cells for decades. Not a single serial killer has been released. They killed quickly and stealthily, and the state takes their lives from them slowly and according to the law.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 13 May 2021 10: 19
      +2
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      Ilnaz has cerebral atrophy, he is not afraid of the death penalty.

      As one of the measures to prevent such cases!
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 13 May 2021 10: 57
      +10
      This villain will be supported all his life by the money of the parents of the children he killed through taxes ... is that fair?
      No, and again no ... it's not fair.
      And besides, there is a chance for him to be released for some reason.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 13 May 2021 12: 46
        +2
        This villain will be supported all his life by the money of the parents of the children he killed through taxes ... is that fair?
        They are recognized as disabled, and a mustache - he does not owe anything to anyone, now they will be sent to Moscow for treatment, and then only supervision and care of the state, and we will pay all this from our own pockets in the form of taxes ... yes , he has a severe brain damage, if not forgotten ...!? hi
    3. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 13 May 2021 13: 16
      +1
      and the state takes their lives from them slowly and according to the law.

      At the expense of children, retirees, teachers ...
  4. garri-lin
    garri-lin 13 May 2021 10: 10
    -2
    It is not necessary to return the death penalty. It is enough to place online cameras in prisons where life sentences are actually held. So that people see how they are treated there. A quick easy death? Well, I do not. A person who deserves a life sentence must live long and suffer every day. And the townsfolk should naturally know how he suffers. So that unreliable elements understand that death is better than any kind of survival.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 13 May 2021 11: 25
      -4
      Quote: garri-lin
      It is enough to place online cameras in prisons where life sentences are actually held. So that people see how they are treated there.

      Quote: garri-lin
      And the townsfolk should naturally know how he suffers.

      Don't you think this is sadism? And new psychos from such views will only appear
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 13 May 2021 14: 17
        -1
        Sadism in what? Demonstrating the lawful treatment of criminals? Saw it will of course be cruel but the line of sadism clearly will not cross. The law is not that harsh. But for the majority of ordinary people in their youth, it will clearly be a revelation in what conditions and how criminals are kept in relation to whom, if there were no moratorium, the highest measure would have been applied. And then thanks to the cinema, they think that there will be a suite and a life of vkayf.
  5. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 13 May 2021 10: 12
    +11
    According to any polls, official and not so-70-80% for the abolition of a moratorium that nobody needs. I am ready to apply for the vacancy of the executioner of all this scum in the first lines.

    Elvira rest in peace.
  6. Jcvai
    Jcvai 13 May 2021 10: 17
    +3
    IMHO, life-long hard labor in harmful industries isolated from the outside world as a punishment tool will be more effective: self-sufficiency (food, heating, etc. due to work after deducting security and housing costs in order to avoid "resort release"), and the possibility of rehabilitation as insurance in case the innocent gets in (the system is imperfect)
  7. vl903
    vl903 13 May 2021 10: 17
    +5
    if we compare this tragedy with a malfunction of the mechanism that occurred due to the bolt, then the reaction is 90%: the bolt is melted or first cut into pieces with a grinder, then burned and poured with acid. the car in the garage, the driver's license is not issued. But it must be: why the bolt broke? - the material is not the same? constructor error? misuse? and what to do so that the car would go and not break down? the death penalty must be returned, and it is understandable with this patient, but also for those who make such history textbooks in the first place
  8. Bradley
    Bradley 13 May 2021 10: 20
    -5
    Strongly against the death penalty. If the death penalty is introduced, a bunch of innocent people will be flooded.
    Galyaviev will not see freedom for a long time, if he sees it at all. And to kill him, it will compare with him.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 13 May 2021 10: 30
      -4
      Who google for the death penalty how many people were executed while chikatilo were looking
      1. tatra
        tatra 13 May 2021 10: 45
        +8
        Enough of your anti-Soviet myths. One criminal, Kravchenko, was executed. And it is precisely this example of Chikatilo that the enemies of the communists always present as an "objective argument" for the prohibition of the death penalty.
        And the enemies of the communists themselves recognized their Perestroika as bad and Yeltsin's rule as bad, but they continue to do what they did during Perestroika and under Yeltsin, including the abolition of the death penalty by the lackey of the West, Yeltsin.
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 May 2021 11: 20
          -4
          One criminal, Kravchenko, was executed.

          It was lucky that the investigator was replaced, and that Chikatilo could not stop even for a while. For two years we were promoting a whole group under the watchtower.

          In September 1983, in the Rostov tram depot, the police detained a certain Shaburov, who was suffering from mental retardation. Soon he reported that together with his friend Kalenik, also mentally retarded, he had made a car theft and killed children. Kalenik was detained, after which several more people from the boarding house for the mentally retarded were arrested. The investigation into these persons was unofficially called the "Case of Fools". The detainees made confessions about the murders they allegedly committed, but they were constantly confused about the details (the place of the murder, the victim's appearance and clothing, etc.), confessed to committing crimes that occurred after their arrest.
          In the meantime, the murders continued ..... For committing these murders, several more mentally retarded were detained, according to the investigation - members of the same gang. They continued to give conflicting testimony, but the killings did not stop. After the leadership of the investigation passed to Issa Kostoev, in 1985 the "Case of Fools" was terminated, and all those detained on it were released [3].
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 13 May 2021 13: 32
          0
          Are you an ardent communist?
        3. Bradley
          Bradley 13 May 2021 17: 53
          -1
          Enough of your anti-Soviet myths. One criminal, Kravchenko, was executed. And it is precisely this example of Chikatilo that the enemies of the communists always present as an "objective argument" for the prohibition of the death penalty.
          And the enemies of the communists themselves recognized their Perestroika as bad and Yeltsin's rule as bad, but they continue to do what they did during Perestroika and under Yeltsin, including the abolition of the death penalty by the lackey of the West, Yeltsin.

          How did you get bombed.
          What does the Union have to do with it?
          There will certainly be mistakes or falsifications, and for them I will kill a person! Do you understand this?
          They will come home to some Alyosha, present a crime and arrange a tower. A year later, it turns out that Alyoshka was innocent. Alyoshka was a good father, he has two daughters and two sons, a beautiful wife, but a disabled woman due to an accident (cannot walk).
          Tell me, are you ready to support the families of the innocent victims? You will go and tell your family that this is normal, but the other was definitely to blame.
          It's easy to throw your lives off the couch, isn't it?
          1. smart ass
            smart ass 14 May 2021 08: 59
            0
            I completely agree with you
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 13 May 2021 11: 07
        +10
        And how many people were killed by recidivists who were released do not want to count?
        Only the death penalty will stop their bloody path.
        1. Kushka
          Kushka 13 May 2021 11: 49
          +4
          In our city, a guy in a fight killed a man.
          Well, a fight, well, it's a young thing, well, you can't figure it out,
          "who is the first," well, the most humane Soviet court
          shorter than 7 years. Came out, got married. Lived, lived, wife
          what not so said, hit, killed. Well, everyday life,
          well convicted, shorter than 10 years. Came out, got a job
          tractor driver in the quarry. He worked, twisted the nuts. And the master
          take it, and he said something wrong. I killed it with a tire iron.
          They shot him. SOCIETY GIVED THREE LIVES until it finished
          this ........ Each killed had a father, mother, wife, children.
          THEY ARE INCORRECT! AND THE PRISON DOESN'T FARE THEM!
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 13 May 2021 12: 55
            -7
            shorter than 7 years.

            So the question is not about 7 years or shooting ..
            The question is life, or shooting ..
            If we are already replacing the death penalty, then the alternative should be the most severe punishment, and not 7 or 10 years.
            So if they were sentenced there for 7 years, it means they did not consider the crime to be serious.
          2. Avior
            Avior 13 May 2021 16: 11
            0
            It is not clear why for the second murder such a short time
            Should be lifelong automatically
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 13 May 2021 14: 20
          0
          Life without appeal. With the obligatory effort so that the content pays off.
      3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 May 2021 14: 51
        +1
        Ukraine. Poltava. Early 2000s. Sleeping microdistrict "Sady-1". Three young (about 14-15 years old) scum first rape, and then kill the same young girl in the basement. And the guy from the same entrance that evening replaced the concierge, and, literally, an hour or so. Whether he heard the screams or not, I don't know, and I am not familiar with the criminal case, although at that moment it was a resonant case for the whole city. As a result, those three paid off and got out, and the innocent was put on the pan (he has been serving 17 or 18 years in Vinnitsa). How many courts were later to review this case, but in no way, and the years have already passed ... This is how a person is serving for not his own. So there have been, and will be, miscarriages of justice.
        And if you remember 1934-38, no, it's better not to remember! ...
    2. vl903
      vl903 13 May 2021 10: 31
      +2
      death was and will be. no matter how much you hide your head in the sand. and nothing fairer was invented. life-long weaker measure. torture is already too much and raises doubts in the psyche of those who offer. a soldier is learning to kill the enemy at all, I hope you will not compare him with a maniac, or as here, with faulty human material?
    3. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 10: 45
      +2
      Bradley (Nagatoro-san)
      "
      Quote: Bradley
      If the death penalty is introduced, a bunch of innocent people will be flooded.

      Do you still think that they are being executed according to the "plan"?
      Quote: Bradley
      And to kill him, it will compare with him.

      Where such confidence? By killing a mosquito on your body or a rabid dog in your yard, do you equate yourself with a mosquito or a rabid dog? In the comments, people write that he needs to be awarded a life sentence, so that he would feel everything on himself. Maybe so. Only I think that a person with mental disabilities is unlikely to perceive all this. Because of his deviations, he will consider everything as normal life, IMHO.
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 13 May 2021 18: 00
        0
        Do you still think that they are being executed according to the "plan"?

        Not in this case. Mistakes and frauds are inevitable, and this is the execution of an innocent person!

        Where such confidence? By killing a mosquito on your body or a rabid dog in your yard, do you equate yourself with a mosquito or a rabid dog?

        Well, you have compared too. )
        The same can be attributed to the shooter, because for him is like a mosquito, like a dog, like a person ...

        In the comments, people write that he needs to be awarded a life sentence, so that he would feel everything on himself. Maybe so. Only I think that a person with mental disabilities is unlikely to perceive all this. Because of his deviations, he will consider everything as normal life, IMHO.

        In prison he will not be bored. The guards and other inmates will constantly bully him.
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 19: 06
          +1
          Bradley (Nagatoro-san)
          Errors have always been and will be. Doctors are wrong too. Aren't there few deaths due to medical error? I don’t know how he will be in prison! But at one time, there was a TV story about how Tsapko (if I'm not mistaken) eating crabs in a cell.
          1. Bradley
            Bradley 13 May 2021 19: 10
            0
            Even criminals have their own ideas, and the kid shot kids. Either they put him down in prison, like a pedophile, or he will fall on the edge.
            He is no one, no one will carry crabs for him.
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 19: 20
              0
              Bradley (Nagatoro-san
              Is Tsapko an angel? Got to jail by a misunderstanding?
              1. Bradley
                Bradley 13 May 2021 19: 24
                0
                Is Tsapko an angel? Got to jail by a misunderstanding?

                I don’t know who it is. But there are those who actually ended up in jail due to a misunderstanding or an embroidered case.
                1. Bumblebee_3
                  Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 19: 29
                  0
                  Bradley (Nagatoro-san)
                  The 51-year-old owner of the house, Server Ametov, his 48-year-old wife Galina, 19-year-old daughter-in-law Elena and her one-year-old daughter Amira were killed; guests: Vladimir Mironenko with his wife Marina, daughters Alyona and Irina, father-in-law and mother-in-law Viktor and Lydia Ignatenko. [7] In addition, the criminals dealt with Ametov's neighbors who came to visit - 36-year-old Natalia Kasyan and her 14-year-old son Pavel [8]
                  From the wiki.
                  1. Bradley
                    Bradley 13 May 2021 19: 33
                    +1
                    This does not mean that this particular character is to blame. Right?
                    Yes, he may or may not be guilty. In twenty years, it may well happen that a real killer comes along and confesses.
                    That is why I am against the death penalty.
                    In the case of the shooter, everything is clear, he himself confessed, there are vidos. But this is not a reason to return the death penalty, and it is impossible to use it singly for the “chosen one”.
                2. Bumblebee_3
                  Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 19: 32
                  +3
                  Bradley (Nagatoro-san
                  "The rest of the guys wool the rooms in the house and dealt with the guests. Mironenko's two daughters, five and two years old, and the wife of Server Ametov's son, Lena, were pushed into the bathroom so that the neighbors would not hear the screams."

                  The farmer interfered with my business, undermined my authority. Therefore, I wanted him to suffer himself and see how his loved ones suffer. We dragged him into the hall - he was still breathing, and before his eyes we dealt with the rest. Then they threw the bodies into one heap, and on top, on the pile of corpses, put the nine-month-old Amira - Ametov's granddaughter. She was alive, crying. The bodies were doused with gasoline and set on fire. We looked at our watch and were surprised - we did it all in ten minutes. "
                  Ibid.
                  Well, where are the "concepts" in the criminal world?
                  1. Bradley
                    Bradley 13 May 2021 19: 34
                    0
                    The farmer interfered with my business, undermined my authority. Therefore, I wanted him to suffer himself and see how his loved ones suffer. We dragged him into the hall - he was still breathing, and before his eyes we dealt with the rest. Then they threw the bodies into one heap, and on top, on the pile of corpses, put the nine-month-old Amira - Ametov's granddaughter. She was alive, crying. The bodies were doused with gasoline and set on fire. We looked at our watch and were surprised - we did it all in ten minutes. "
                    Ibid.
                    Well, where are the "concepts" in the criminal world?

                    Morals are everywhere. There are enough of them on the streets.
                    1. Bumblebee_3
                      Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 19: 44
                      +2
                      Bradley (Nagatoro-san
                      I agree with you. There is also an old Russian proverb - "Do not renounce money and prison"
                      1. Bradley
                        Bradley 13 May 2021 19: 59
                        +1
                        I agree with you. There is also an old Russian proverb - "Do not renounce money and prison"

                        drinks
    4. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 13 May 2021 11: 09
      0
      Overwhelmed by a bunch of bandits, murderers and rapists do not mind them.
  9. Deniska999
    Deniska999 13 May 2021 10: 36
    +3
    For a start, we need to "stop stigmatizing mental illness and make it socially acceptable to seek psychological help." I will add that if a person talks about "bipolar", then this is not a reason to joke about him. It is better to suggest contacting a specialist, and not self-medicate.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 13 May 2021 11: 06
      +4
      Quote: Deniska999
      if a person talks about "bipolar", then this is not a reason to joke about him. It is better to suggest contacting a specialist, and not self-medicate.

      And we have specialists - "the sea" ......
      To find a professional child psychologist or psychiatrist, you need to search so much ... and the road, in the final case, will still lead to Moscow or St. Petersburg ... And this is very expensive and almost inaccessible for the bulk of ordinary families.

      By the way, what is the salary of a psychologist at school? ...... In many schools, vacancies are open, but specialists are in no hurry to close them ...
      And the teacher now is clearly not a "educator", the Ministry of Education has assigned him several other functions ...
      Psychiatry is an integral part of healthcare, and the same thing happens there, as with all Russian medicine ...
      There are millions of certified "psychologists" and "lawyers" in the country, but psychology and jurisprudence, to put it mildly, are not at the highest level ...
      So the question of the "death penalty" is certainly important, but it is clearly not the main one and not the first on the agenda ... and not even the tenth ...
  10. Dmitry Zverev
    Dmitry Zverev 13 May 2021 10: 37
    +12
    The trouble with our society and officials-leaders is that we cannot draw correct conclusions from what happened. Immediately - "prohibit civilian weapons !!!", "The age limit for weapons - only from 85 years old !!", "The death penalty is urgently introduced !!!". Citizens! Look in the wrong direction. Not only is medicine on its knees in our country, only because of covid it has even begun to be mentioned, so our psychiatry generally lies below the level of the Baltic Sea. The laws have made that a psychiatrist should ask an insane psycho for permission if he wants to be treated !!!! And if the psycho does not want to be treated, he will walk down the street until he kills someone. After all, there are a lot of such cases, and many here were in the discussion on this site. In Soviet times, psychos were kept in special hospitals in straitjackets, and now they walk the streets and shoot people with all kinds of weapons. We'd rather feed psychos in hospitals and pay high wages to staff than keep killers for life. The money is the same, but people will be alive.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 13 May 2021 12: 30
      +3
      The best and most adequate commentary. hi
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 13 May 2021 12: 59
      -4
      The laws have made that a psychiatrist should ask an insane psycho for permission if he wants to be treated !!!!

      Exactly!!
      The daughters of judges, having run over people, are released, and this does not surprise anyone, the Berezovskys and the Abramovichs are suing for stolen money, hiring lawyers for the same money who defend them according to the law .. The Kadyrovs and their fellow tribesmen on the bridge collide like two rams, then kill each other , and no ends .. Sur around ..
  11. Olgovich
    Olgovich 13 May 2021 10: 47
    -1
    a non-human with a non-human brain has superhuman deeds.

    Examine thoroughly (to be 100% sure) and in a madhouse. Forever and ever.

    To toughen, to strengthen, to pinch, of course, it is not out of place, on the other hand, no one walks the streets in a helmet, and in fact, it happens, it is not out of place ...
  12. novel66
    novel66 13 May 2021 10: 52
    0
    But where are the vigorous supporters of the legalization of short-barrels ???
    1. Bumblebee_3
      Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 11: 03
      +7
      novel66 (novel)
      I'm here! You have not wondered how easily a criminal got - bought, a more formidable weapon than a short-barreled one. To be clear, I am not at all calling for short-barreled distribution.
      1. novel66
        novel66 13 May 2021 11: 08
        -2
        in this case, the short-barrel would be more dangerous - the secrecy of wearing, a high rate of fire, thank God it was not there.
        thanks for the tip hi
        1. Bumblebee_3
          Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 11: 13
          +5
          novel66 (novel)
          Pay attention to the fact that the criminal walked with a weapon without hiding! Plus, the criminal is already armed! But not me! Imagine a situation where one of the teachers was also armed and could shoot the criminal, preventing so many children from dying. Sincerely.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 13 May 2021 12: 14
            +3
            I am not an ardent supporter of the widespread proliferation of weapons among the population, but ...
            Quote: Bumblebee_3
            ... one of the teachers was also armed and could have shot the criminal, preventing so many children from dying ...
            at least the same young girl - teacher Elvira
            And 26-year-old English teacher Elvira Ignatieva covered the students at the cost of her life ...
            having a pistol with me, she could just shoot the bastard as soon as she saw him ...
            This is a difficult question. But, the further I look at what is happening on the streets, the more I am inclined to think that the legalization and arming of the population does not seem such a whim ...
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 12: 43
              +2
              Doccor18 (Alexander)
              To be honest, I don't think Elvira Ignatieva could have neutralized or stopped the attacker. She's really a victim. It is very difficult to immediately understand something, it is very difficult to react. But here's another teacher (a man), I think that they are in this lyceum, could take action, hearing the shots and screams of horror of children. The tragedy in Kazan raises many questions. Such tragedies have already happened: Kerch, Baku. Now Kazan. God grant that this would not happen again. My sincere condolences to the parents of the deceased children. Children should bury their parents!
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 13 May 2021 12: 49
                +1
                Quote: Bumblebee_3
                I don't think Elvira Ignatieva could have neutralized or stopped the attacker.
                Without knowing the person, it is difficult to state something unambiguously ...
                Once I saw two girls in the shooting range, so they would have stopped more than one such undersized man, on occasion ...

                Quote: Bumblebee_3
                God grant that this would not happen again. My sincere condolences to the parents of the deceased children. Children should bury their parents!

                I subscribe to your words. There is nothing to add.
                1. Bumblebee_3
                  Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 13: 00
                  +2
                  Doccor18 (Alexander)
                  This bastard was going to kill! What did the young teacher think when she saw a former student of her school? We are not given to know. Perhaps she greeted him with a smile. (I am now describing a meeting with my class teacher. After graduation, I went to school to thank my teachers. Yes, I walked with a huge bouquet of flowers. All the teachers greeted me with a smile. Unfortunately, by that time, my FIRST teacher.)
          2. Dedkov
            Dedkov 13 May 2021 13: 01
            0
            Quote: Bumblebee_3
            novel66 (novel)
            Pay attention to the fact that the criminal walked with a weapon without hiding! Plus, the criminal is already armed! But not me! Imagine a situation where one of the teachers was also armed and could shoot the criminal, preventing so many children from dying. Sincerely.


            Let's imagine other situations:

            For example, a young man with a gun comes to meet you. He does not hide it, does not direct it at you, does not show hostility (yet !!!). You also have a weapon with you, for example, a pistol in a holster. But a man with a gun walking to meet you does not see him. And what would you do ??? Will you be the first to shoot someone coming to meet you? And what if it is not adequate and in the next moment decides to shoot at you, the gun saves you ??? And if he is inadequate, he is stupidly a psychopath, and neither laws, nor the knowledge that everyone has a firearm, nor adequate logic affects him. How can a pistol help you in this situation ???

            Or better yet. Let's assume that the trunks would be in school children. Yes, parents would buy them, but someone could not ensure the storage of weapons in a place inaccessible to a child, and someone specially bought them for their baby: "He is already an adult and must be ready to defend himself." Are you sure that this will not happen within the country? (It seems that we have not yet coped with the roads, but in general, in my opinion, they did not take fools). So, what do you think is more likely: such children will stop the terrorist or accidentally shoot themselves, or shoot the teacher for a deuce or someone else because THEY ARE STILL CHILDREN?

            And if the person who comes to meet you with a weapon is a child? Are you ready to cover it with your pistol?

            Not everything is so simple in my opinion ...
            1. Bumblebee_3
              Bumblebee_3 13 May 2021 13: 07
              +1
              Dedkov (Alexey)
              Quote: Dedkov
              And if the person who comes to meet you with a weapon is a child? Are you ready to cover it with your pistol?

              If this "child" kills other children - yes, he is ready to shoot!
              1. Dedkov
                Dedkov 13 May 2021 13: 46
                +3
                Quote: Bumblebee_3

                If this "child" kills other children - yes, he is ready to shoot!

                And I will do this in this particular situation, but I understand correctly that you will shoot ONLY THEN, when at least one shot was already at someone, and someone probably already died?
                That is, in fact, you are proposing not to prevent the tragedy, but, if possible, to reduce the number of victims to a minimum. Undoubtedly, the fewer victims the better, but you don’t think this is not the most effective method, because it doesn’t allow you to avoid victims in principle.

                With all due respect, I'm not getting to the bottom, just how can I imagine that this, even the "only" shot was fired at my daughter .... This should not be the case in principle!
            2. Doccor18
              Doccor18 13 May 2021 13: 28
              +1
              Quote: Dedkov
              And what if it is not adequate and in the next moment decides to shoot at you, the gun saves you ???

              If he misses or does not kill from the first shot, then he saves.
              And without weapons, it turns out that your chances of survival tend to zero ...

              And as for the weapons in children at school, this is already too much, this will never happen in Russia. Here it seems that adults will be banned soon, everything is smoothly going towards this ...
        2. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 13 May 2021 11: 46
          +3
          An armed criminal can ONLY be stopped by an ARMED CITIZEN!
        3. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 13 May 2021 11: 49
          0
          High rate of fire? Do not make me laugh. Self-loading hunting weapons reload quickly.
        4. Garm
          Garm 13 May 2021 11: 53
          -1
          Firstly, a self-loading gun - the same rate of fire as a pistol. Secondly, he walked with him openly, where does the secrecy of the short-barreled?
    2. vl903
      vl903 13 May 2021 11: 14
      +1
      I'm here! short-barreled even according to the scheme that is now safer than a car. intuitively everyone understands its danger. and the shkolota who rushes by car 2 meters from the gate of the kindergarten at 70 km / h does not understand the danger and will not understand.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 May 2021 12: 30
        +6
        Quote: vl903
        shkolota who rushes by car 2 meters from the gate of the kindergarten
        In our case, the shkolota will not only rush on an expensive foreign car, but also with a short-barrel.
        My old friend's car was rammed by a jeep, one under ... nka with connections, they quickly found "witnesses" and "alcohol" in the blood, they blamed a person from whom there was no living space, they were afraid to touch the coffin, everything was fastened together. .. The judge changes investigators, the materials are lost, the friend is in the grave, and this bastard is free.
        Do you think that if someone is shot, out of fear for his priceless skin (self-defense), he will not be smeared? It's your mistake to believe that only morally pure people will have a short-barrel. Also, one should not hope that in front of the gun everyone will fall down, as they say, "an awl in the liver, no one is eternal." A criminal is a criminal that acts meanly, on the sly. Also, it is necessary to fight the cause, not the consequences, one weapon and the "Wild West" cannot solve the problem.

        Here one "warrior" gave an interesting phrase.
        An armed criminal can ONLY be stopped by an ARMED CITIZEN!
        An armed or unarmed criminal can only be stopped by a strong and courageous person. If a "hero" without a gun feeds complexes, so he will be more dangerous for ordinary people, showing his "courage" where the skin is safe, scare children in the sandbox, and force himself to respect. For bandits with machine guns, then what will they ask for a pistol? This is my personal opinion, and yes, you can kill with both a pencil and a shoe lace, but it is much more convenient and easier to do it with a pistol, even for a child. Therefore, one legalization of short-barrels and the right to shoot is a very controversial solution to problems.
        1. vl903
          vl903 13 May 2021 12: 51
          +3
          the major now buys premium and walks without problems. in the baltics, there is a free short-barreled for former citizens of the USSR. and CITIZEN meant a responsible member of the community. recently on the news, a psycho ran around the city, cutting people. A policeman who was not on duty rushed after him, a passer-by shot at the psycho from trauma, to no avail. the policeman twisted it like. who benefits from giving criminals punks and psychos an advantage? in general, this is from the field of tolerance, vegetarianism and attempts to hide one's head from reality, it seems to me
  13. Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 13 May 2021 10: 53
    +4
    A couple of years ago, I wrote in one comment that it is necessary to somehow limit the influence of the Internet at the international level.
    They put so many minuses, there was so much criticism for my comment. After all, the Internet is a good thing, but only for honest people.
    Criminals use it for their own purposes.
    Changing something in one country is of little use, it is necessary to do something together, but probably not everyone has a desire.
    I am far from being a specialist in this area, I express only my opinion.
    Once again, condolences to the family.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 13 May 2021 12: 21
      0
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      it is necessary at the international level to somehow limit the influence of the Internet.

      Necessary.
      But as?
      It is very difficult to do this even within the framework of one state, but on a global scale it is a utopia. Moreover, with a huge number of those who earn money or solve some of their issues in a terrible way using the Internet.
  14. prior
    prior 13 May 2021 11: 00
    -5
    Encephalopathy is how Covid spread across Russia - a country of drowning people,
    the oligarchs drowning in luxury, and the rest of the Russians drowning in poverty.
    Encephalopathy - as a result of liberal democracy.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 13 May 2021 12: 29
      0
      Quote: prior
      Encephalopathy is how Covid spread across Russia - a country of drowning people,
      oligarchs drowning in luxury, and other Russians drowning in poverty.
      Encephalopathy - as a result of liberal democracy.

      You are confusing an organic disease, which does not depend on the will of a person, with the concept of a general decline in literacy of the population associated with socio-economic changes in the country.
      A person is not sick because he wants this, but becomes dull from his own laziness and weakness.
  15. leks
    leks 13 May 2021 11: 26
    +2
    RF officials live in another country, more precisely in a parallel one. For the protection of state institutions, they play tenders for tens of millions of rubles and hire professionals to guard their institutions.
    For the protection of schools and kindergartens, they allocate a penny which is enough for a salary of 15 thousand and a security guard for a pensioner who, at the most, will have time to press a button. Why did this ok go to school, because he knew that it’s the easiest way to get there, he didn’t go to the local duma, etc., etc.
    I believe that it is necessary to raise the age of obtaining weapons, at least from 21 years, and preferably from 25. Psychological examination and tests. Usually, for a psychologist, it all boils down to checking the accounting for a couple of questions and a certificate in your pocket, at most 10 minutes to get a certificate, not counting the queue.
    Service in the army has nothing to do with it at all, a person could not serve for some kind of physical disability, but psychologically he is healthy. In this case, Jae is not safe from the fact that an adult uncle, after 20 years of impeccable possession of weapons, will not go crazy and he will open fire to kill.
    To our great regret, society is mentally sick without exception, especially young, weak minds suffer. For decades, showing people that violence and murder is the norm, making heroes of such people by making films about them, showing programs about them will not lead to anything good.
    Unfortunately, this will be repeated more and more often, people simply do not have a barrier in their heads. If thirty years ago we all discussed outright maniacs like Chikatilo, now more and more often these are the murders.
  16. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 13 May 2021 11: 35
    +1
    I'm not sure if this character is mentally healthy. In any case, in the video from the police station where he is recorded on the bench, he is clearly not himself. And in general, the return of the death penalty in exceptional cases is long overdue. The death penalty is fair. The system / state will not have to use the tricks that the system now sometimes resorts to - killing odious figures quietly. The people who were in the "White Swan" claimed that the same terrorist Raduyev died for a life sentence for a reason. The state - society should indicate a line of no return, upon which a person / criminal should be executed. And it is clear that this exceptional measure should be used for mass killings.
  17. Dedkov
    Dedkov 13 May 2021 11: 47
    +5
    On many sites the same thing: a complex problem is supposed to be solved in a simple way: "to allow the death penalty", "to prohibit the sale of weapons", "to sell weapons only to a certain category of persons," "to strengthen the security of educational institutions," etc.
    In my opinion, none of this will work. The problem is much deeper, and therefore cannot be solved by a simple method.

    A whole range of measures is needed, the creation of a special system.
    The system that was in the USSR can be taken as a prototype. For example, I think that the undoubted advantage of that system is that children requiring "special attention" during their upbringing studied in specialized schools. Simply by the fact that children will always be cruel to all such, "not normal". Who in the class did not have someone who could be bullied or at least one of the classmates with whom it was "dumb to be friends" or even sit at the same desk? How much do you think such children have adequate ideas about society? Therefore, I think that special schools are needed. And yes, for such schools, teachers with specialized education are needed, psychologists of a certain qualification are needed, special educational standards are needed, and much more like that. First of all, mentors help to become a normal member of society, especially during adolescence, when the authority of the parents decreases. And this, accordingly, requires funding, and changes in legislation, and the development of educational programs for the training of personnel, and the training of such personnel and much more.

    Also, somehow it is necessary to solve the issue of protecting teachers from students. The fact that today the teacher is powerless and can not react in any way, not to some non-fulfillment of educational requirements, but to outright bullying, insults and humiliation on the part of students who, for example, are ready for anything for the sake of likes on the social network and are specially engaged in provocation, and filmed videos are posted on the Internet. Google - there are a lot of such videos and situations on the Internet. I know people who, after serving on the front lines in hot spots, are afraid to teach physical education to children - "I will say the wrong thing, I will be accused of harassment and then prove that I am not a pedophile." Uitel should not go to work with fear of children, but with a desire to teach new things. What do you think, if a teacher is afraid for himself, will he protect your child from bullying?

    And the situation with the Internet and information must also be considered as a complex. In Israel, now, too, it all started with videos for the sake of likes. What prevents this from happening again in our country? Bullying on the Internet, blue whale groups, recruitment to sects and prohibited structures, promotion of ideas of homosexuality, racism, polygamy, etc. - it's all on the internet now. And most of this content in the form of games, "vidos", "memics", lyrics, opinions, bloggers and other material is aimed specifically at children. This also requires reflection in the strategy for solving the indicated problem.

    And one should not look to the West in terms of building such a strategy and an education system based on it. There is even more chaos there: teachers there are cut off their heads for screaming, and they go to schools with weapons to shoot, and girls because of transgender boys are afraid to go to the toilet and whatnot.

    It's time to understand that while we are solving complex issues with simple methods, it is likely that our children are sitting at the same desk with those who tomorrow can take up arms and come to kill them.
    1. kill the fascist
      kill the fascist 13 May 2021 12: 11
      +2
      The death penalty is not the eradication of the problem, but only the retribution of society - the shooting of a sick animal. And, perhaps, he will warn someone from committing a crime and, therefore, will save someone's lives. In general, it is clear that there is simply no solution - only a set of measures in different areas and spheres of the state and society.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 May 2021 13: 44
        +2
        Quote: Kill the fascist
        The death penalty is not the elimination of the problem

        The death penalty for certain crimes is one of the main measures to solve (even eradicate, if you will) the problem.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 May 2021 13: 58
      -1
      Quote: Dedkov
      A whole range of measures is needed, the creation of a special system.

      Yes, who would doubt it. Only these measures should be applied to everyone without exception. Forgive me, this is not a deputy mandate, not a fat wallet, an unfamiliar surname simply should not be taken into account.
      One simple point: what do you remember about tobacco-free practices? Result? Someone has very warm hands on these closed boxes and inflated prices. Everything!!! All that was needed was to move the sale of alcohol and tobacco to separate establishments (departments with an isolated entrance) using a bank card. And the opening hours of such establishments from 08.00 to 23.00 are quite acceptable.
      There are a lot of useful factors here: here is the fight against illegal activity, and the absence of the need for collection, and relief in the area of ​​paying taxes.
      You can read how they fought for cleanliness in the streets in Singapore. And for this we have come up with a slogan: "Cleanly, not where they clean up, but where they don't litter", forgetting to mention the length of the "chopik", which needs to be hammered into the hole by donkeys so as not to shit.
  18. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 13 May 2021 12: 28
    +2
    As for the measures to combat this phenomenon, I will undersign a little ..
    1) It is proposed to introduce the death penalty - IMHO is ineffective, because sick people or religious extremists themselves often strive to perish, seeing in this some kind of valor or the final chord of the act. The same Roslyakov - he committed suicide, he would have been vryatli stopped by the understanding that he would have been executed later - he was clearly not going to surrender.
    2) It is proposed to give permission for weapons only to those who have served in the army - IMHO stupidity, because the same
    Galyaviev was recognized as fit for military service (like Shamsutdinov, for example) - in an "acute" situation, he (and people like him) could arrange a massacre in a military unit, which also happened more than once in our country.
    Moreover, if a person has served, he can also "explode", even if from the point of view of the system he possesses the proper qualities (Major Evsyukov). For representatives of small peoples who have a reservation, hunting is often one of the means of feeding themselves - such a decision would create a legal incident. Finally, in the stories of such "school shooters" it is not uncommon for the perpetrator to simply steal a weapon from his relatives or parents - the daddy will have a barrel, he will steal it, and all lawmakers will sit in a puddle together.
    3) It is proposed to "tighten the rules for issuing permits" - the ongoing issuance of such permits and, in general, medical certificates in our country implies a fair amount of formalization, we all see this very well. For a psychologist, such a "Galyaviev" for a very limited timing will be indistinguishable from the average modern mud, who watches anime, plays shooters and plays with energy drinks. Formal "tightening" within this formal procedure itself will lead to the fact that they will more often give up for "trouble-free acceleration".
    If I agree with anything, it’s with a radical reform of the permitting system.
    On the other hand, this can give rise to bureaucracy, and in conditions of general inefficiency and venality - to expand the niche of fake certificates.
    4) It is proposed to make "Fort Knox" out of each school - a frankly stupid idea. A child who goes to school every day, even with very average abilities, will find a loophole in this system of yours. He will push the weapon through the window in the outhouse or the back door in gym - if he resists.
    Imagine for a moment a "school guard" - a person sits all day long, he is relaxed, dull, dispersed - if you put such a "guard" against a person who carefully planned everything and daily studies such a "guard" as a hunter - the job of a guard is a pipe.
    And then a school like "Fort Knox" simply turns into a prison with a bunch of victims and a psychopath inside - all these magnetic locks and remote buttons - this will play against people who will try to escape.
    Suppose we have a conditional Roslyakov - and he has a shotgun and explosives. Tell me, will someone stop him by locking himself in a classroom with a wooden or PVC door? Yes, not really. A person who is methodical and concretely moved to his head can disable several locks in the classes of interest to him ahead of time - and that's all. So measure number 4 is a relative defense, not realizing the full depth of methodology and sophistication of psychopaths.
    5) It is proposed to "eliminate anonymity on the Internet" - well, or something like that. Mr. Volodin, as always in his repertoire, always eliminates something and punishes someone. So, we live in the era of high-speed mobile Internet and all sorts of goPro "nibs, streams, etc. All this is done quickly, works quickly - tell me HOW and what can interfere with a moved person immediately before his march or during it, in the mode" online "- to highlight all this so that someone there and somewhere there has time to react? How will the system react to those who just want to hyip on this topic without real malicious intent? All these absurd measures remind me of the logic that suicides should be tried catch in flight.

    Of all that was proposed in a couple of days - the most reasonable for me personally seemed to increase the age of issuing a weapon permit - with the possibility of earlier receipt in the case of really long and dreary checks in many instances. This is not 100% protection, but the most effective sounding measure to me.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 13 May 2021 23: 38
      +1
      I personally thought the most reasonable ...


      The most reasonable in the case of attrition of the mentally ill would be supervision by specialists. That is, a person who wants to receive a weapon can be registered and periodically examined, observed in a special group of candidates for handling weapons and observed for several years; while time passes, you can prepare and pass some technical exams, prepare a safe for storage and solve other office technical issues. Having received permission to continue observing, albeit not so intensely. It's not about the age of issuing the permit, but about the dynamically changing state of health ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 14 May 2021 00: 33
        0
        I agree with you, but all these stages of the "selection of astronauts" is a thing incompatible with reality and the volume of licensing, it seems to me. Of course, we need to strive for this, because we are not the United States and traditionally there was very strict legislation on the possession of weapons, but now the system exists in a certain position of consensus between the interests of market participants - consumer-producers. Producers have a lobby, this lobby will be as opposed to the "maximum" option as you are talking about. Because for them it is "deferred profit" and a reduction in this very profit - after all, hemorrhoids are very good. weed out cool. So I don’t think it will really come to the hard option that you are talking about. They will seethe, toughen up a little and calm down.
        Here much more interesting moments came out - this monster was easily sold saltpeter, judging by the latest information, it was a few kilograms at least. He found the blueprints for the w / y on the Internet and made 2 fully functional ones - that is, his "capacity" was enough to handle all this, and the surrounding conditions allowed him to do this and get everything he needed.
        For me, a completely natural question arises - whether such a madman will not spit saliva on a firearm in case of tightening, and whether he will be engaged in a / c more tightly, because here the hole is much more gaping in reality. After all, trouble can be done by an ogogo, not comparable to a gun.
        So what is there - exactly in the complex what to do with all this. A problem, unfortunately ..
        One could assume that some kind of questioning at the stage of a school psychologist could serve the cause of security - but considering again the realities of our country .. and potentially this is in general an inhuman deed because it is uniform segregation ..
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 14 May 2021 09: 49
          0
          I agree with you, but all these stages of the "selection of astronauts" is a thing incompatible with reality and the volume of licensing, it seems to me.


          This is not how it works - for example, you voluntarily become monitored by a psychiatrist at the age of 14 in a group wishing to obtain special civil rights and occasionally you are observed periodically for 2-3 years, including with several tests for drug markers. In return, all sorts of preferences, such as simplified medical board for the psychiatric part, driver's license, specific types of work or profession or service in the army and navy - as a counselor, pilot, security guard, military driver, etc., simplified admissions to sports competitions and dangerous sports and tourism (which is important for youth and the sports industry, sports structures).
          Then there are examinations and observation according to medical indications or once every 10-15 years.
          Everything is smeared out for several years and does not greatly strain either the medical system or the population and gives some time to understand each individual person and his problems and even cure him if the disease is treated.
          And this is not much different from the existing 5-year gap between smooth and rifled weapons: the only difference is that you cannot simply do nothing here - on the contrary, you need to pass exams for weapons and traffic rules, etc., deal with health problems, etc. to such a system should be gradual.
          As for other things, it may make sense to instruct private organizations and even specialized private detective agencies to identify dangerous patients - they will send a competent psychiatrist for a medical examination to the school under an agreement with its director or with an employer at work and will do their work on conscience.
  19. Roman070280
    Roman070280 13 May 2021 12: 31
    -5
    In general, much of the response to school killings is like trying to solve the problem with as little financial cost as possible.


    The problem can only be solved by changing the political system ..
    And at this stage, a significant part of society is sick ..
  20. Roman070280
    Roman070280 13 May 2021 12: 50
    -8
    The death penalty is too easy for him ..
    I didn't seem to have done anything .. but I'm sure if I were faced with a choice - I would rather be shot than rot all my life in a cell .. And his life is still long ..
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 May 2021 12: 58
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      The death penalty is too easy for him ..

      These need to be sewn into a pig's skin and buried on a dark night, in an unknown place.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 May 2021 13: 41
      0
      Quote: Roman070280
      And his life is still long ..

      And what is it like for the parents of murdered children to realize that this scum is still alive and can be released on parole? Let's not cry so the beard doesn't come off. Read my opinion below.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 13 May 2021 14: 27
        -9
        Let's not cry so the beard doesn't come off.
        Nobody cries for him ..
        That's why I say - just shoot, and the end is too easy ..
        But spending a long life in a cell is much more serious and difficult .. This is my opinion ..

        With regard to parole - this is already a question for parole ..
        Since, instead of being shot, a person is imprisoned - here, as it were, no parole should be assumed .. For the punishment should be HARDER than death ..
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 May 2021 12: 55
    0
    Black deed: the tragedy in Kazan as a reason for the return of the death penalty
    fool Was it impossible to shoot him on the spot? foolOr we will understand the quality of the shit in the head of the ghoul, which so captures and loads our system, and for one and feeds. angry And good people go to sleep ...... brains. stop
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 13 May 2021 13: 04
    +2
    Of course, he is clearly a psychopath, but what were the passersby thinking as the man in black walked past with a bag and a hunting rifle?
    They thought they had no weapons themselves. So getting involved in the affairs of an armed man is not their business. Slaves do not interfere in the affairs of the owners. People who have weapons in their hands at work, too, saw no reason to intervene - they have not their own weapons, but the weapons of the owner, so they can only be used by order.
    All this happened because it could not but happen. And it will happen an uncountable number of times. Having reintroduced the master-slave relationship model in the state, what result did the masters expect? It will not be long to wait for an escalation, when the owners will already be on fire, with indifference, and even with passive, but very weighty support from the people. Undertook to own? Well, prove it right!
    And no one is obliged, should not and does not want to help you, such a state. The sheriff does not care about the problems of the Indians. So the sheriff's problems do not concern the Indians at all!
  23. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 May 2021 13: 14
    0
    Whoever issued him a weapon permit could have looked into his face. Yes, and ask a couple of questions. This terrorist will get what he deserves. The author deliberately bypasses the Soviet school, where the guard was Aunt Masha with a rag. Everywhere chicanery, formal replies. In Soviet society. There was no talk about the coming war. And with the remembrance it was easier. Once a year, either at the cemetery, or a minute of Silence. Now, from an early age, a person is taught that his life will not be long. Change the atmosphere of mood in society. I understand there are people with sadness inside. But this is their business. To pull people out of the astral plane, and what in return? Life, of course, is not a holiday, but it is not a continuous memorial service either.
    1. valek97
      valek97 14 May 2021 08: 18
      0
      And what are the reasons not to give? Formally, everything is observed. The psychiatrist issues a conclusion that he is not registered with him. Rosgvardia checks the paperwork, conditions. There are no advanced test options. And to the point. I went to the psychiatrist's B - are there any complaints? Not. Free. My main comment is below. Only the system can fight the system.
  24. Dedkov
    Dedkov 13 May 2021 13: 16
    -1
    Quote: Roman070280

    The problem can only be solved by changing the political system ..
    And at this stage, a significant part of society is sick ..


    I don't quite understand how a change in the political system will save us from psychos in schools and on the streets. I thought that for this, in particular, the methods of diagnosis, treatment and content should be improved. You suggested a new method for me. Can you explain in more detail?
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 13 May 2021 13: 44
      -5
      I don't quite understand how a change in the political system will save us from psychos in schools and on the streets. I thought that for this, in particular, the methods of diagnosis, treatment and content should be improved.


      You can, of course, treat psychos .. But it's even better when these psychos are just initially fewer!
      And in a society where man is a wolf to man, where constant stress, attacks .. simply put - when there is no justice (I think it doesn't need to be explained) .. here involuntarily anger, anger and so on accumulate ..

      Well, Mikhail wrote a couple of posts above with regard to the "state" ..
      How about a better life, talk - in response - we have capitalism, the state does not owe you anything, take care of yourself, forget about the past, there is no socialism, etc.
      And then the questions - why were everyone indifferent to the man in the mask and with a gun on the street .. Yes, because I myself would have walked by, and did not give attention .. In our life, you can not be surprised at anything .. And if you give attention - better stay away .. take care of yourself..
      And this cannot be compared with a society half a century ago .. There they still perceived themselves more as a unit of society, and not as the only I .. sometimes even rejected by this society ..
      One I ended up embittered .. took up a gun .. (and under the USSR there was crime, but less)
      The second I just averted myself .. passed by without stopping by the hand .. (in the USSR, such indifference was much less common .. I myself, at school, once forgetting my tie, almost cried - there was less hatefulness !!)
      1. Dedkov
        Dedkov 13 May 2021 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: Roman070280

        You can, of course, treat psychos .. But it's even better when these psychos are just initially fewer!
        And in a society where man is a wolf to man, where constant stress, attacks .. simply put - when there is no justice (I think it doesn't need to be explained) .. here involuntarily anger, anger and so on accumulate ..

        Well, Mikhail wrote a couple of posts above with regard to the "state" ..
        How about a better life, talk - in response - we have capitalism, the state does not owe you anything, take care of yourself, forget about the past, there is no socialism, etc.
        And then the questions - why were everyone indifferent to the man in the mask and with a gun on the street .. Yes, because I myself would have walked by, and did not give attention .. In our life, you can not be surprised at anything .. And if you give attention - better stay away .. take care of yourself..
        And this cannot be compared with a society half a century ago .. There they still perceived themselves more as a unit of society, and not as the only I .. sometimes even rejected by this society ..
        One I ended up embittered .. took up a gun .. (and under the USSR there was crime, but less)
        The second I just averted myself .. passed by without stopping by the hand .. (in the USSR, such indifference was much less common .. I myself, at school, once forgetting my tie, almost cried - there was less hatefulness !!)

        Thank you very much for your reply. Totally agree with you. Simply by the term "political system" I do not understand much else, and therefore I asked you to explain in more detail. I am glad that even though we sometimes use different terms, our points of view coincide in many respects at the ideological level.
  25. Sergey3
    Sergey3 13 May 2021 13: 33
    0
    Whoever says anything, but personally I am for the return of the death penalty. Most of the regulars of all kinds of social networks are those serving sentences, including life sentences. I personally think that there should not be a life sentence, but there should be deprivation of life.
  26. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 May 2021 13: 38
    +4
    It happened again ... Again, advice, moral teachings, prevention techniques fell down ...
    Expert opinion:
    State Duma Deputy Alexander Khinshtein sees a way out, first of all, in increasing the level of safety in schools.

    What a sensible suggestion. And in 2004 he did not see in Beslan? Was he young or hadn't he “wiped himself off” in the State Duma yet?
    I am attentive to the proposals of living people (ordinary citizens). These are their children who go to ordinary Russian schools. It is they who, letting their children go to lessons, should feel fear (!!!) for the safety of the child within the walls of the institution.
    And they, as it turned out, are a great many, ranging from maniacs and ending with sadistic classmates.
    I unequivocally express my attitude towards murderers or people who have infiltrated preschool and school institutions - the death penalty (it can be public, as in China), regardless of the degree of guilt. He took a weapon, entered a school (another institution) - an exceptional measure. No amnesties or discounts for rabies and tick bites. The state simply MUST be cruel in saving the lives of young citizens.
    Equipping school gates is a matter of several months (during the summer holidays).
    In addition, educational institutions should have the right to refuse to teach children who stand out among their peers by “exclusive” norms of behavior.
    School should not be a juvenile correctional facility. Only training and educational work in the learning process.
    Whoever does not like these rules - welcome to special schools with an accelerated method of teaching literacy and work skills in the future profession.
    The selection criteria should be the same for everyone, regardless of the financial situation in the family and the "height of the position" of the parents.
    1. valek97
      valek97 14 May 2021 08: 14
      +1
      ha-ha, we have closed all schools with a special bias. You can find my comment below. The system can fight the System. No other way. Isolated cases are not an indicator.
  27. Laurus
    Laurus 13 May 2021 15: 00
    +2
    Definitely for the death penalty. If only because the dead will never kill anyone again, will not rape or cripple anyone. Well, the moral side of the issue cannot be discarded - what is it like for the relatives of the victims to know that the killer of a loved one is alive, has hypothetical chances to go free and live the life of a normal person.
  28. iouris
    iouris 13 May 2021 15: 25
    0
    The death penalty is initially only for government officials.
    "Tragedy in Kazan" - has a name, surname and other attributes.
  29. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 13 May 2021 15: 55
    -1
    No laws and prohibitions can stop a criminal! He sneezed at them! He will bypass! And ordinary law-abiding citizens will suffer! The state's attitude towards people must be changed! People are not second oil and payers of fines and taxes! The safety of the state and every individual citizen must be in the priority and the highest value!
  30. yehat2
    yehat2 13 May 2021 17: 20
    0
    Quote: Ka-52
    neither in Iran, nor in the UAE, nor in the United States, economic crimes are not grounds for the application of punishment in the form of the death penalty. Do not mislead people

    oh how? One of the princes was recently executed in the UAE. He stole much more than he was supposed to.
    He was convicted, calling it treason and hello.
    In the United States, yes, sentences are rarely fatal, but here's the bad luck - those who really annoyed influential structures usually do not even live to see the end of the trial.
    About Iran. One of the crimes is drug dealing. The death penalty is provided for this. And of course,
    in addition, sabotage, theft, extortion, speculation, the production of bad food, the use of compromising evidence, etc. are punishable by death. And of course, nothing to do with the economy ...
  31. Devyatomayets
    Devyatomayets 13 May 2021 17: 22
    0
    Opponents of the death penalty do not unreasonably cite many examples of mistakes when executions of innocent people are executed.

    But what to do with this kind of fruit like the Kazan Inhuman? A man almost shot people on camera, prematurely announcing on social networks that he would kill them, was caught at the crime scene and then told everyone that yes, he killed them because he is GOD. This is perhaps the case where the death penalty must be returned unambiguously.

    Questions remained for the E-shniks as well. They would not have caught people for criticizing the authorities, but preventively catch such real dangers. And then they were completely lazy at the stateharchas. If he had written freedom to Navalny and that he was going to the picket, he would have been intercepted immediately on the way. And here he wrote that he was going to kill people and half of the city passed waving a gun and no one paid attention.

    So the FSB-Schniks would not use sticks for schoolchildren who want to "blow up the FSB building" in Minecraft, but fight with a real danger. Otherwise, it will turn out as under Andropov, when the authorities caught truants from the factory in cinemas, and missed the conspiracy about the collapse of the USSR!
  32. bk0010
    bk0010 13 May 2021 17: 54
    0
    but what were the passersby thinking as the man in black walked past with a bag and a hunting rifle?
    What's the problem? I, too, sometimes go with a bag and a gun. And he didn't kill anyone.
    To prevent an unwanted element from reaching and opening the entrance from the outside.
    to organize entrance and exit only according to individual cards.
    Useless: take advantage of someone entering or exiting. You can make a vestibule (while one door is open, the other does not open), but this is not an option for a school, it will take all day to enter and exit one at a time.
    That is, he first planned the attack, and then acquired a gun.
    This is not a fact at all: it takes a lot of time to acquire a gun, at least a couple of months, and if you work, then half a year.
    over the prevention of such tragedies should begin with the education of a culture of conflict
    It is useless: they have been repeating about "Thou shalt not kill" since childhood, if you decide to kill, then any culture will be ignored.
  33. samarin1969
    samarin1969 13 May 2021 18: 19
    0
    There were also Beslan and Volgograd. And the topic of the death penalty for perpetrators and accomplices was not particularly raised. On the one hand, there is absolutely justified retribution. On the other hand, there is the level of corruption in the "authorities" and the unlimited possibilities of "setting up" with the help of technical means.
    Now not only Trump, but the deputies of the Russian Federation are proposing to arm me and my fellow teachers. Quite a ridiculous task for "marivanna". laughing
    But to strengthen ALL schools with a turnstile, video surveillance, a perimeter fence, a tight access control, a couple of armed fighters for the day shift is quite realistic and effective. At the same time, a lot of rubbish among teenage crime will be cleaned out.
  34. Tatyana Pershina
    Tatyana Pershina 13 May 2021 20: 29
    +1
    The death penalty is not capital punishment, as there are crimes for which no punishment will be sufficient. The death penalty is the highest measure of SOCIAL PROTECTION. That is, when a person ceased to be a person and became simply dangerous to society, he must be destroyed.
  35. BAI
    BAI 13 May 2021 21: 01
    0
    What is there to argue about? In this case, the guilt is undeniable. There are no problems with the shooting of an innocent, as in the case with Chikatilo. Even if the patient is sick, they shoot mad dogs. This is necessary so that they do not multiply and do not spoil the gene pool.
    After all, now more and more young people - de.bi.lo.v go to murder for the sake of hype - they will not be shot in any case. And then there was amnesty, etc. There are very high chances of being released. Here is this type - he does not repent of anything.
  36. Tavrik
    Tavrik 13 May 2021 21: 51
    0
    but the failure with the security system in the educational institution is already clear.

    So far, the failure with the youth education system in the country is understandable.
  37. Tavrik
    Tavrik 13 May 2021 21: 59
    +1
    Quote: Per se.
    Also, it is necessary to fight against the cause, and not with the consequences.

    And there is. Only there are a lot of reasons: social injustice, stratification of society, lack of social lifts, unemployment, hopelessness, lack of prospects, the cult of "success and wealth", etc. They cannot be overcome. Therefore, we will fight the consequences.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 14 May 2021 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: Tavrik
      Therefore, we will fight the consequences
      There used to be such an anecdote with the phrase - "Petka, you can't pump the whole Ural (river)", this is to fight the consequences. The reasons, you understand, are already a plus.
      To the topic of the article, the teachers would have weapons, but not the fact that the tragedy would have been prevented. Personally, I was engaged in sports pistol shooting, I can imagine the process, but most of them are far from being snipers, who else would have died from a stray bullet in a shootout, a separate topic, like that, if an armed teacher would have time to use a weapon.
  38. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 14 May 2021 02: 22
    +1
    Tracking and preventing this kind of crime is almost impossible. Demands are now being heard to toughen arms legislation, which also will not give any result. Such psychopaths have been and will always be. Sincerely condolences to the parents and relatives of the victims. And the death penalty must be restored, such can no longer be re-educated and the list of execution articles can be expanded: terrorism, crimes against childhood, corruption, treason.
    1. valek97
      valek97 14 May 2021 08: 09
      0
      you cannot prevent, you can shorten it, my comment is below.
  39. valek97
    valek97 14 May 2021 08: 09
    0
    People are like a herd, they do not see the system, they see persons. And it is necessary to fight the system, only the system can identify and counteract this. Not one blunder was made here: the collapse of education, the collapse of psychiatry, budget optimization, underfunding. Add to this corruption, which makes already meager budgets even less. The output is a weak system on all fronts. Where it could be caught, there are gaps, they are systemic and this is not solved at the level of kitchens, it is decided at the level of the state and regions. To solve them you need to go to vote. And when we have a majority policy (party), which cannot do anything, there are only opportunities to raise a bucha, or hope that they will listen, but will not take note. If you bet - then please argue.
  40. Grognag
    Grognag 16 May 2021 12: 49
    0
    I do not think that in Kerch and Kazan the presence of the death penalty would have stopped someone, it is necessary to reconsider the approach to ensuring security in such institutions, by the way, I want to note that in kindergartens the approach to security is the same, at best, an evil grandfather, the world is changing with this unfortunately nothing can be done, the only way out can be armed guards and not one person, but at least two, and yes, if necessary, turn into a fortress, there will certainly be populists who will say nuuuuu that you are expensive, let them then appreciate the life of their child in rubles
  41. Nikolay Migashkin
    Nikolay Migashkin 17 May 2021 11: 44
    0
    There is also our fault in the tragic events of Kazan. With our connivance, schools were turned into regime institutions like colonies:
    - the personal influence of the teacher has disappeared as a way of forming the mind and culture of thinking from the whole to the parts;
    - ethics disappeared, it was replaced by temporary placement points and disciplinary requirements;
    - the didactic laws of teaching have disappeared, they teach not life, the profile of the needs of regions, cities and villages, but abstract competencies;
    - the introduction of uniform standards destroyed the thousand-year experience of student-centered learning and the forms of an individual approach, taking into account typologies, which were created in the East five thousand years ago, and in Europe for more than three thousand years.
    - in education there is no formation of reason, educational standards and methods do not distinguish between reason, reason and experienced knowledge based on feelings and devices;
    - the culture of thinking has disappeared from the whole to the parts, which forms cooperation with people and with nature on the laws of doing good, bringing up responsibility on the basis of honor, conscience, dignity in the consciousness.
    - in educational institutions, the love for children and students has disappeared, which turns them into a Temple that teaches the love of life, for teachers and classmates. Love creates traditions, rules that persist for life, as the basis for striving for joy, doing good, achieving justice in organizing a happy life.
    This is the reason for the emergence of unmotivated terrorism in Russia, when adolescents cannot free themselves from negative moods for a long time and act according to the principle "If I feel bad, then let others feel worse." For the same reason, schoolchildren even kill their parents if they did not allow them to turn on the computer or if they didn’t give money for beer.
    Best regards, Nikolay Migashkin
  42. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 17 May 2021 13: 33
    0
    Return the highest measure of social protection ... stop looking at the "enlightened" west ... there is nothing interesting for us in our understanding of the surrounding reality.