"Admiral Gorshkov" went to the White Sea for the final tests of the "promising" missile

Russian Frigate of the North fleet "Admiral Gorshkov" will take part in the final tests of a promising missile weapons... According to the press service of the Northern Fleet, the frigate is making the transition from Murmansk to Severomorsk.

According to the information provided by the press service of the fleet, "Admiral Gorshkov" after arriving in Severomorsk will make the transition to the White Sea, where it will begin the final tests of the promising missile. Arrival of the ship for testing is scheduled for Thursday.

The message does not contain information about what kind of weapon will be tested, but earlier the frigate participated in surface tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile. Based on the text of the message, if the tests are called final, then this may indicate that the surface tests of the Zircon are coming to an end. And taking into account that earlier it was reported that surface and underwater tests of the missile were carried out in parallel, we can expect reports of the beginning of tests of the Zircon from the nuclear submarine Severodvinsk.

In early March of this year, some media outlets, citing sources in the defense industry, reported that the Zircon hypersonic missile test program was accelerating with the aim of adopting the missile into service in the first half of 2022. In April, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu confirmed the completion of the Zircon tests by the end of this year.

Comments

[Victor_B]

"Admiral Gorshkov" after arriving in Severomorsk will make the transition to the White Sea, where it will begin the final tests of the promising missile.

Well here are the goodies!
Let the adversary "rejoice"!
Otherwise, they completely lost their fear ... They declared the Black Sea their puddle.

[hirurg]

Key phrase - final tests.
And then we think.)

[Barberry25]

and then you need to think about the version for launching from the TA ... something, and the Zircons are asking to be placed on the diesel-electric submarine ... If it is not technically possible, then you need to lay Cupids

[lucul]

and then you need to think about a version for launching from a TA ... something, and the Zircons are asking to be placed on the diesel-electric submarine ..

But this will already be a real nightmare of nightmares for AUG)))
The same submarine detected the AUG for 100 km, launch - and these 100 km Zircon flies in 1 minute. Even aviation in the air will not have time to lift))))

[dranthqu]

So they do not seem to be planning to fight with a salvo of anti-ship missiles, but AEGIS + SAMs on escort ships.

[Barberry25]

It all depends on the nature of the attack .. you can, for example, launch 10-20 anti-ship missiles Zircon to defeat an aircraft carrier, or you can "gnaw" the order by attacking the cover destroyers .. In general, when organizing the issuance of the control center, zircons with zircons can become a real headache .. To understand, for 8 years from the moment of laying one Ash to its transfer to the fleet, you can safely build 6 Warsaw women ... I do not see any problems with the Cupids after entering the series ... and 6 deplets in 3 salvoes will destroy any AUG ... Moreover, if 1 deplete is found, 5 more will remain, and not Zero, as is the case with Ash ..

[dranthqu]

Please tell me, how exactly will reconnaissance and target designation be organized? And how do you propose to promptly and synchronously withdraw low-speed submarines at a distance of 100 km from the aircraft carrier?

[Barberry25]

1) I did not talk about 100 km, the detection of AUG is carried out by various means: from space and radio-technical reconnaissance to the use of UAVs of different types - air and underwater, and in the case of a threatened period, submarines already go to sea

[Piramidon]

Quote: dranthqu

And how do you propose to promptly and synchronously withdraw low-speed submarines at a distance of 100 km from the aircraft carrier?

Depends on courses. On a collision course, the speeds add up.

[Barberry25]

but you can also use underwater drones to search for aircraft carriers ..

[hrych]

Quote: hirurg

Key phrase - final tests.
And then we think.)

Further massive armament of ships and the beginning of underwater launch tests. Behind the bench, throw, flight tests of the prototype and now the test firing from the UVP of the combat ship is being completed. There was no launch to the maximum range yet. So, apparently he will complete the ship tests.

[venik]

Greetings, Dmitry!
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Quote: hrych

There was no launch to the maximum range yet.

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I do not know! I would not be so sure of that ..... We just could and not inform... We don't even know exactly the appearance of the "Zircons", not to mention the performance characteristics ... Of course, there are some "pictures", some "expert opinions"

[hrych]

Hi Vladimir! This is just a stratospheric modification of Onyx, which flew 14 kilometers (the bottom of the stratosphere) on the march section, and in the final section sneaks towards the target at a height of 10 meters (above the water). More than two and a half swings flies at a height. Here Zircon rises to the upper part of the stratosphere, accelerates to hypersound and dives towards the target. The hypersonic Brahmos-2 was the key a little earlier. The Indians blabbed about him. We know that Brahmos is an export Onyx. And when tested on a freeze frame, Zircon showed a clear Onyx profile. It is clear that when designing, our engineers had to rely on supersonic missiles. And Onyx is the most perfect one. It is clear that more heat-resistant materials are used, close to the fairings of the Dagger and Vanguard. The line-up shouldn't change much. Perhaps in the direction of increasing fuel, the mass of the warhead has been reduced. Here, a huge kinetic blow and a large land mine are not required, and the SBS itself is more compact.

[venik]

Quote: hrych

This is just a stratospheric modification of Onyx, which flew 14 kilometers (the bottom of the stratosphere) on the march segment, and in the final segment sneaks towards the target at a height of 10 meters (above the water). More than two and a half swings flies at a height.

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Dima! Not everything is so simple here! The problem in the air flow around a flying body (including and highly rarefied) at hypersonic speeds - this is a special "song"! It is very different from the "usual" already supersonic flight at speeds of 2-4 M. As far as I remember from the well-forgotten already "universal" course at speeds> 5M, in addition to strong surface heating, vortices and shock loads can occur which in those days almost anyone did not succeed .... True, even then rumors circulated that either at the Keldysh Center, or at the Research Institute of Applied Mathematics, or at TsAGI, this problem was basically solved (which is confirmed by Avangard, Dagger and " Zircon").
But the fact that "Zircon" is outwardly similar to "Onyx" - I strongly doubt it! The difference in speed is too great! Onyx's frontal resistance will become simple colossal!!! And vibrations ... Another aerodynamic scheme is needed here ...
The "Dagger" is another matter - there are clearly visible similarities with the "Iskander". BUT! The 9M723 is already a rocket that develops a speed close to hypersonic on its trajectory (more than 4.5M, and according to some sources even 5+ M).
Well, okay - sooner or later we will her (or his?) we will see without fairing! Although curiosity gnaws!

[hrych]

Quote: venik

But the fact that "Zircon" is outwardly similar to "Onyx" - I strongly doubt it! The difference in speed is too great! The frontal resistance of the Onyx will become simply colossal !!!

This is where the task of discharging the stratosphere is, to reduce resistance. Then the declared altitude of 28 km is interesting. But because about 25 km the temperature is at minus 56 degrees, it begins to rise higher and by 40 km it will reach zero degrees. Therefore, 25-30 km is the optimal altitude. There is a strong vacuum to reduce the resistance. But there is also oxygen for the engine. And the temperature for cooling the case is as low as possible. Those. the lower the more resistance. Higher, more atmospheric temperature and oxygen drops. Actually why the MiG-31 loves to fly at these heights and launch the Dagger accordingly. The X-32 is simpler, it has its own oxidizer, it does not need atmospheric oxygen, so it can climb higher in order to dive farther. Although Tu22M3 launches it from the lower part of the stratosphere. The experimental, hypersonic Kh-22B climbed as much as 70 km to dive at the gate.

[venik]

Quote: hrych

Then the declared altitude of 28 km is interesting. But because about 25 km the temperature is at minus 56 degrees, it begins to rise higher and by 40 km it will reach zero degrees.

Quote: hrych

And the temperature for cooling the case is as low as possible.

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Well, actually, at 40 km, the atmospheric temperature is 250.4 K or -22.75 C, but this is not important. All uniform heating of the skin can reach several hundred degrees.
But the density of the atmosphere - yes! This is critical (minimum sufficient to maintain stable combustion in a ramjet engine). And this is just somewhere approx. 28 km:

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Quote: hrych

Actually why the MiG-31 loves to fly at these heights and launch the Dagger accordingly.

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So he (MiG) cannot be higher - theater operations are not allowed .... And the "Dagger" itself seems to climb up to 70 km .... He, like the "Bure", oxygen unnecessarily: "I carry everything with me ".

[hrych]

Here is a clearer graph of density versus height

Those. to 25-30 km altitude, the air density drops sharply and the difference with the surface, where Onyx flies with two swings, is almost a hundred times. Zircon accelerates 4 times faster, not a hundred times. The problem, of course, is when diving to a target to the surface, but the body must withstand strong heat for four seconds before meeting the target. And in the case of the SBS, the detonation immediately upon entering the dense layer. It is stated that the Dagger accelerates to hypersound at an altitude of 20 km; in the darkness of the atmosphere, the launch was also caught close to the practical ceiling of the MiG-31. The sky darkens sharply from 20 km. Therefore, it makes no sense to climb 50 km. The figure of 50 km is taken from Iskander, allegedly its main flight trajectory goes at such an altitude. Factually unknown. There is one more nuance. If the dagger is launched strictly horizontally, then flying strictly in a straight line for 1000 kilometers, it will find itself ... at a different, higher altitude, because it flies straight, but the earth is round You can even calculate If there is no elevation difference, well, there is an ocean, then flying strictly in a straight line will increase the altitude by 7850 meters.

[venik]

Quote: hrych

If the dagger is launched strictly horizontally, then flying strictly in a straight line for 1000 kilometers, it will find itself ... at a different, higher altitude, because it flies straight, but the earth is round wassat

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Dmitriy! For this, the "Dagger" must fly at a speed exceeding the First space speed - 7910 m / s (or> 26 M at an altitude of 30 km) !!!!
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Quote: hrych

If there is no elevation difference, well, there is an ocean, then flying strictly in a straight line will increase the altitude by 7850 meters.

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And we will not take into account the force of gravity ??? Ah ah ah!

[hrych]

This is theoretically, hypothetically.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Victor_B

Let the adversary "rejoice"!

you must complete successfully the tests first !!!!!!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

you must complete successfully the tests first !!!!!!!

So far, all stages (reportedly) are going well. I knock on wood.

[Real Pilot]

Naval news pleases!
"Kazan" (boat) was finally handed over and accepted, now "Zircon" is completing tests

Great, because these missiles will also be on the new boat.

[xorek]

Quote: RealPilot

Naval news pleases!
"Kazan" (boat) was finally handed over and accepted, now "Zircon" is completing tests

Great, because these missiles will also be on the new boat.

Here's a good comment ..! I join you, otherwise they began to whine below

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: RealPilot

Naval news pleases!

unfortunately not all (!), and not always (!)...
https://topwar.ru/182891-minoborony-razryvaet-kontrakt-s-peterburgskoj-zvezdoj-na-postavku-sudovyh-dizelej.html ... Вот раскачают и обанкротят "Звезду"... , что может ещё сильнее ударить по скорости сборки и gearboxes for 22350 (!).... Personally, it never makes me happy .... more alarming (!)...
So news, news - strife ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

They will rock and bankrupt the "Zvezda" ...

"Zvezda" has already been cleaned up by TMK owner Dmitry Pumpyansky

The ZVEZDA plant, which produces engines for the latest warships, has gone under the control of the Sinara transport group from Yekaterinburg.

https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/peremeny_na_zavode_zvezda_-_dozhdutsya_li_korabli_svoih_dvigateley.html

[venik]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

Here they will swing and bankrupt "Zvezda" ..., which can hit even harder on the assembly speed and gearboxes for 22350 (!) .... Personally, it never pleases me ... more alarming (!) ...

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Dear namesake! Bankruptcy of an enterprise does not always mean the liquidation of production facilities! Quite the opposite - in world practice, in most cases bankruptcy - this change of ownership and / or form of ownership (at least this applies to the case of bankruptcy on claims of creditors). The liquidation of the same production capacity occurs only when the products of the enterprise not in demand, while repurposing impractical... When Public Joint Stock Company "Zvezda", then its products are just in demand, but with the management of the enterprise - just problems ..... (I admit there are likely to have been caught stealing, well, or at least absolutely incompetent people are sitting). So that bankruptcy (if it does take place, which is not yet a fact) may well benefit the enterprise! Moreover, the state and shipyards (to which "Zvezda" owes a lot) may become the new owners.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: venik

Bankruptcy of an enterprise does not always mean the liquidation of production facilities!

agree (!), but any shocks and perturbations almost never lead to increased efficiency of the enterprise in this period (!)... Usually, just at such intervals, the speed of production of finished products decreases (!)...

Quote: venik

In the case of the Zvezda Public Joint Stock Company, its products are in demand, but there are problems with the management of the enterprise.

?! or an attempt to capture it by USC ? !!

Quote: venik

Moreover, the state and shipyards can become new owners.

I am not sure that if the enterprise is reassigned, let's say USC, it will get better (!).
http://cast.ru/news/sudostroenie-v-teni-bespoleznoy-nadstroyki.html
I didn't notice from them greater efficiency in management (!). Slogans about a successful escape from the problems of import substitution, sorry, but I do not take it for business (!)... Center for Marine Gas Turbine Motors, USC does not create (as well UDC, which is no less surprising) ?! Enterprise "Saturn", can not quickly increase capacity in the creation of a gas turbine engine, (as to run quickly and successfully in two directions at once: aviation and marine gas turbine engine building), - not possible in principle !!!
So does it make sense to bankrupt him, or just find mechanism of effective control over the PURPOSE use of funds that the company receives through GOZ, for me the question is open ?!

Quote: Piramidon

https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/peremeny_na_zavode_zvezda_-_dozhdutsya_li_korabli_svoih_dvigateley.html

as for the 2018 link provided by uv. Stepan, then guarantees that in three years, in the case of the transfer of "Zvezda" into the hands of the USC, he with the same sadness, will not throw off a similar (!).... That /link/ at one time she also looked - optimistic ?!

[venik]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

any shocks and perturbations almost never lead to increased efficiency of the enterprise during THIS period (!). Usually, just at such intervals, the speed of production of finished products decreases (!) ...

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Far from always, Vladimir, far from always! Although, of course, it happens! I just happened to see (and more than once) when the enterprise literally came to life "before our eyes"!
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Quote: Vl Nemchinov

?! or an attempt to capture it by USC? !!

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? Given that the company is literally inundated with orders ?? I doubt however! ..... From my own experience: most likely - a mess in management (misappropriation of funds, withdrawal of finances from the enterprise, etc., etc.). Although I will not argue: I practically do not know "Zvezda". And what exactly is going on there - too!
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Quote: Vl Nemchinov

I am not sure that if the enterprise is re-subordinated, let's say USC, it will get better (!).

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Well, it's not a fact that USC will be subordinated!

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: venik

Far from always, Vladimir, far from always! Although, of course, it happens! I just happened to see (and more than once) when the enterprise literally came to life "before our eyes"!

I envy your optimism (!)... But God forbid, as they say ...

Quote: venik

Well, it's not a fact that USC will be subordinated!

with Rakhman's love for lobbying and receiving large orders under the state defense order for USC ... ?! And then, with his skill "switch the arrows to the subcontractor" (as in this case with a star ?! love for bravura reports /including on the success of import substitution in the creation of serial gas turbine power plants/ ...(!), pretentious statements (!), and mass "one-time bookmarks" (as with a couple at once "Ash-M" and UDC in Kerch (at once PAIR ?!), without a ready-made and run-in at the stand at least an experimental power plant for them) ... ?!...
I would really like to believe that I am mistaken .... but for now, my observations, they do not allow me to think so. Unfortunately (!)...

[maiman61]

After all, we put universal launchers, they can also work with zircons. But these installations are not on new media either.

[Catfish]

"Gorshkov" is located in the White Sea, and what does the Black Sea have to do with it? "Where is the river, and where is the estate?"

[antivirus]

a neighbor has fresh borscht, and I'm dismantling an old Porsche .................................... again they will build platforms for launching missiles - as we started in the early 60s, we still live on the Strategic Missile Forces and other missile weapons, without AV

[mark2]

Yes, you demoniac still can't calm down about the Aircraft Carriers.
Why build something that will be sunk by a submarine with one missile, or one plane with a similar missile.
Aircraft carriers are a waste of money with unclear prospects for their use. Why are there applications, they even have nowhere to base them. Only Murmansk. All eggs in one basket.
In addition, there were so many articles on the topic of aircraft carriers, but no one, I repeat, no one said what the purpose of their construction was except "to have them, because the Americans have them."
To have everything that the Americans have, victory in military affairs cannot be won. The enemy must be surprised.
And why do the possessed, somehow derogatory mention the Strategic Missile Forces?
Do you really think that with conventional weapons Russia will be able to defeat the United States and its six with a combined population of one billion? Or are you just fools?
It is also clear with Europe. If nuclear weapons are used in Europe, then all the nastiness as a result of Atlantic cyclones will be drawn to us. But zaluzhnikov definitely burn. It will be expensive to get there by transports.
And for Europe, aircraft carriers are unnecessary. It is safer on dry land.

[Yuri V.A]

And, to people like you, it is useless to explain something. Such people will quickly see the light and change their clothes immediately after the official publication of the decision to build domestic aircraft carriers and will also briskly begin to anathematize dissidents.

[sustav75]

In their opinion, the Chinese are completely fools, since they are building their aircraft carrier fleet at an incredible pace! Why, then, do our boobies all go in with "Kuznetsov" ?! There is only one reason for the absence of an aircraft carrier fleet in Russia, it is a lack of money and a lack of qualified personnel and technologies! The rest of the chatter of the urapatriots, only from the evil one ...

[Yuri V.A]

Anyone else's experience is not a decree for them, they still cannot understand why the Soviet Union, having initially relied on the development of submarine forces and naval missile-carrying aircraft, later began to build full-fledged aircraft carriers.

[mark2]

it is useless to explain something to people like you

Okay. Failure to explain means poor knowledge of theoretical material. Those. supporters themselves have little idea of ​​the need for the construction of avian carriers.
Better a conclusion than throwing a show-off in front of those who have neither aircraft carriers nor the means to destroy them, I do not find.

[Yuri V.A]

You can't even tell the difference between the possibility and the need for an explanation. Since you were not helped to understand the topic "so many articles", wait for clear instructions and regulations.

[antivirus]

just joking at the supporters of AB. but not everyone understands my thick humor ................................ it is necessary to study the comments for 1-2 years.
all coastal-oceanic countries have Av to protect their own! wealth is a coastal location and cannot be hidden inland. it just so happened in France and Angles and the United States and China - megalopolises 1-10-100 km from the seas (open for the passage of enemies). we have at least 1000 -1500 km.

[Alceers]

Transfer from Murmansk to Severomorsk. Now we will cover every re-mooring in the media.?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Well, why dig up to the words. Apparently the authorities consider such a Great Campaign an achievement! Do not spoil his mood.

[mark2]

Well, not everyone can rejoice at the promises of the Americans about the possible invention of another wunderwafe.

[Dart2027]

According to the information provided by the press service of the fleet, "Admiral Gorshkov" after arriving in Severomorsk will make the transition to the White Sea, where will begin the final tests of a promising rocket

[tralflot1832]

As far as I remember, on May 9, the ships of the Northern Fleet and nuclear submarines or SSBNs always came near Murmansk Alyosha. So for the men, everything is the other way around from the ball to the ship. We left Severomorsk on May 11 in Severodvinsk tomorrow, they will successfully shoot, the next submariners will go for testing on the nuclear submarine Severodvinsk .. They promised to shoot at the maximum range at a target simulating an aircraft carrier, it will go at a speed of 30 knots, we are waiting.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: xorek

Quote: RealPilot

Naval news pleases!
"Kazan" (boat) was finally handed over and accepted, now "Zircon" is completing tests

Great, because these missiles will also be on the new boat.

Here's a good comment ..! I join you, otherwise they began to whine below

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Good luck to the crew ... and the promising rocket.

[gig334]

I advise you to watch the video with Sivkov on this topic. Just listen carefully to the entire video, turning off the cheers of patriotism and turning on the thinking abilities.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: gig334

I advise you to watch the video with Sivkov on this topic.

He is still positive, apparently such a character. I assess the situation even worse. Every year the defense capability falls, the equipment is becoming more and more physically and morally obsolete. The overwhelming majority of the "new" technology is already obsolete.
We have a disaster at the videoconferencing There are 9 AWACS throughout the country (A-50U 4 units), 15 tankers, ~ 250 modern fighters. How many of them actually fly, what capabilities they have (especially AWACS) are very controversial issues. This is comparable to separately the Japanese and separately the British-French Air Force (let me remind you there are 30 states in NATO). We are not even close to China and the United States. It is not worth relying on air defense, only Israel has a successful experience of using it, and even then in very specific conditions.
There remains only strategic nuclear forces, they are the real defense of the country now, other types and branches of troops are no longer capable of it.

[Barberry25]

eh ... I remember 2008 ... that year the Air Force was as strong as it once was ... and in 1, how strong they were

[OgnennyiKotik]

Uryakalok can be easily recognized by the abundance of meaningless emoticons, divorced from the objective reality of messages.

Now let's move on to dry numbers.
Take 1999, the last year of Yeltsin and the damned 90s.
Joint Air Force and Air Defense Forces:
260 MiG-29, 340 Su-27, 280 MiG-31 - total 880 modern fighters / interceptors. + 20 pieces A-50

Moving on to 2008, now Putin has been in power for 8 years, oil prices have exceeded $ 100 per barrel.
Air Force + Air Defense:
266 MiG-29, 342 Su-27, 188 MiG-31 - total 796 already let down, but quite modern fighters / interceptors. + 20 pieces A-50

Another 13 years have passed (2021), oil prices are consistently above $ 60, Putin is stable with Power, everything is stable.
Videoconferencing:
88 MiG-29, 103 Su-27, 85 MiG-31 - 276 already obsolete (note above, I did not consider obsolete (MiG 23/25) fighters)
110 Su-30, 94 Su-35 - 204 (all together 480) modern fighters / interceptors. + 9 pieces A-50

So, the degradation of the Air Force is just a fact, in a few years the number of fighters will drop to 300-350, while maintaining the current course.
Extracts from MB by year:

[Cottodraton]

But the crybabies "thinking" are always distinguished by their fawning in front of a potential enemy, a bunch of waste paper and footcloths. The main message is always the same - "Katz offers to surrender."
Zadolbali, honestly

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Cottodraton

The main message is always the same - "Katz offers to surrender."

I propose to be rich and strong. Here they are leasing and selling Russia right now:

[Barberry25]

it remains to remember not the payroll, but the real combat capability of the machines and not the military balance, and it is very nice to read about "quite modern" .. yeah .. such modern and combat-ready that almost never flew ...

[gig334]

It is difficult to adequately communicate when the site is filled with urapatriotism, except for the minuses, they are not capable of anything. Like children. A disaster not only in the Aerospace Forces, but also with the surface fleet. And the new weapons, which there is absolutely nothing to be brave about, but hurray the patriots are already drowning everyone with zircons, which are not even in service at all. In short, it is possible to list the failures in the defense industry for a long time, all the problems are well described in this video.

[Denis Rumyanny]

The Turkish operator carried out the Armenian S-300 in a minute. Between your evening coffee and watching YouTube videos. So, by the way. But our uryakaloks have one answer - the hands-on Armenians, Syrians, Arabs, Egyptians, etc., etc. It’s as if the Russian operators of Pantsirei would not throw air defenses against "those who do not have an analogue world" in battle.
But they will run in the same way. When you hear the sound of a UAV but do not see it on the radar, no one will die for the Sechins-Stouretkins.

[Cottodraton]

Yes, you often flog nonsense, like children, gentlemen. What to talk about seriously with whiners? Are you a military expert? Weapons specialist? Not.
I have already caught such "know-it-alls" more than once that they stupidly carry a blizzard or lie, on the topic where I work and tell me how things are going there. It pisses me off, to put it mildly ...
Why do you think that everyone should be like you, "rippers and truth bearers"?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: gig334

A disaster not only in the Aerospace Forces, but also with the surface fleet.

She's everywhere. It's just that aviation is the main element in defense capability, since the 30s of the last century, without gaining air superiority it is impossible to wage a war, this is the guaranteed destruction of all land and sea forces.

[Nikolaevich I]

Is the press service of the fleet mocking us? No, to immediately say what kind of "promising rocket"! So no ... suffer, they say, in ignorance ... suffer ... run into a conflict with your wife, giving up your favorite borscht, cooked by her! Fiends!