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The Ministry of Defense terminates the contract with the St. Petersburg "Zvezda" for the supply of marine diesel engines

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The Ministry of Defense terminates the contract with the St. Petersburg "Zvezda" for the supply of marine diesel engines

The Ministry of Defense terminates the contract with the St. Petersburg plant "Zvezda" for the supply of marine diesel engines. As reported "Business Petersburg", the military has already filed a suit with the Arbitration Court.


According to the newspaper, the lawsuit contains a requirement to terminate the 2016 contract for the supply of marine diesel engines by the enterprise. In addition, the Ministry of Defense intends to recover from Zvezda a total of 223,7 million rubles, the first session of the Arbitration Court on this claim is scheduled for June 7.

As follows from the lawsuit, the Ministry of Defense is not satisfied with the pace of deliveries of marine diesel engines for Russian ships under construction. In particular, diesels produced by Zvezda are being installed on Project 22800 Karakurt RTOs, and delays in their delivery have already led to the fact that Shipyard Pella sued Zvezda for disrupting the delivery of RTOs to the customer, i. E. Ministry of Defense. In addition, Zvezda provides engines for Project 12700 Alexandrite minesweepers.

In the event of the termination of the contract and the collection of funds, Zvezda, which is going through difficult times, may finally go bankrupt, despite the fact that "large-scale transformations" have been carried out at the enterprise over the past two years. At least, this is what Zvezda's press service says. If the contract is retained, the company promises to complete the program on time by 2022. It is emphasized that for the period 2018 - 2020, the backlog of the production schedule for marine diesel engines was halved.

On the other hand, there are not so many manufacturers of marine engines for warships in Russia. As the import substitution program, which began after 2014, has shown, it is not so easy to launch your own production if you always rely on imports.

How the trial will end, time will tell. Let's hope that despite all the litigation, the Russian fleet will receive ships on time.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 May 2021 15: 01
    +3
    This, which, radial diesels do?
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 12 May 2021 15: 06
      +41
      Yes, the star-shaped M507 from the time of Khrushchev. Cars as ancient as the excrement of a mammoth (construction, by the way, from the 40s of the 20th century) with a paper motor resource. It has many features. In particular, since the motor is star-shaped, when stopped, oil flows into the lower cylinders, before starting it must be cranked like aircraft piston motors so that there is no water hammer.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 12 May 2021 15: 28
        +35
        Bankruptcy is not a plant shutdown, but a change in ownership. This means that Messrs. Pumpyanskiy (Sinar's group) are not coping.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 12 May 2021 15: 44
          +48
          A change of ownership in any case will disrupt the work of the plant, at least in the short term. But on the good - yes, such a plant should be returned to state ownership and efficient production should be organized there.
          1. Pechkin
            Pechkin 12 May 2021 17: 30
            -26%
            such a plant should be returned to state ownership and efficient production should be organized there.
            State ownership and efficient production are two non-overlapping things. Stable yes.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 12 May 2021 17: 33
              +60
              Well, as you can see in the example above, private property is also never a panacea.
              1. krot
                krot 13 May 2021 06: 35
                +23
                For the failure of a defense contract and undermining the country's defense capability, the plant must be nationalized, with the owners prosecuted! For let others understand the responsibility!
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 12 May 2021 18: 28
            +25
            such a plant should be returned to state ownership and efficient production should be organized there.

            Exactly.
            The development of such a plant is a national scale.
            There is no time and sense to wait until private traders find money for re-equipment, expansion and development.
            It was not mentioned anywhere - who can supply diesel engines instead of them, so the speech, most likely, is about nationalization. hi
            1. private person
              private person 12 May 2021 19: 03
              -12%
              The development of such a plant is a national scale

              And in this case, they will buy Chinese engines.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 May 2021 19: 20
                +13
                And in this case, they will buy Chinese engines.

                I don't know about Chinese engines. Maybe they will buy it, maybe not.
                But the way the Zvezda was procrastinating the gearboxes was annoying.
                IMHO, it was necessary to nationalize it long ago.
                A lot of strategically important things are tied to it. hi
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 12 May 2021 19: 58
                  0
                  what is needed is not nationalization, but the construction of new buildings with modern equipment and R&D for new engines ... but here the problems ... they did not give money
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 12 May 2021 23: 46
                    +11
                    Definitely. But who will finance all this pleasure? A private contractor? But somehow he doesn't move at all. State? Financing construction and research at the site of a private company? At the same time, one where the owner has shown his inefficiency?
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 13 May 2021 05: 29
                      +3
                      you are a strange person. In one sentence, write "should be transferred to state property." And in another "the state did not give money." So how are you going to solve the problem of the enterprise by nationalizing it if the source of funding is the same? For the populist likes of local patriots of the Soviet economy? I can name you hundreds of examples when enterprises in the USSR failed to program and manufacture components and military products themselves. There were no pink ponies in those days, about which you so breathely broadcast.
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 08: 53
                        +8
                        you are a strange person. In one sentence, write "should be transferred to state property." And in another, "the state did not give money"

                        You read it strangely to the campaign. Where did you see "the state did not give money"? This is definitely me and not you wrote?

                        There were no pink ponies in those days, about which you so breathely broadcast.

                        It's you some kind of pseudo-religious heresy here broadcasting. What did this state not give money for? And why was it supposed to give them, then to a private entrepreneur under capitalism? For re-equipment of production or what? Why on earth? The state gave the order and financed it. It fulfilled its obligations 100%. And the fact that someone's production is not ready to fulfill this order - well, this is the problem of the private enterprise itself. For this purpose, these enterprises were transferred into private hands so that effective owners would develop them. And not in order to "privatize profits and nationalize costs." Why should a private enterprise be re-equipped with state money?
                      2. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 13 May 2021 10: 44
                        -4
                        And why was it supposed to give them to a private entrepreneur under capitalism? For re-equipment of production or what? Why on earth?

                        you understand in production you can see as much as in spelling lol
                        re-equipment of production (purchase of new equipment) in the real world, and not in your fictional universe, is calculated in costs and taken into account in the cost of production. By the way, however, the article does not indicate that "Zvezda" has spent funds on re-equipment of production. It says that failure to meet deadlines became a consequence of modernization. Those. the renewal of the machine park could lead to a schedule disruption. Learn to read first, then think, and then write. Your process is going in the opposite direction.
                      3. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 11: 12
                        +5
                        you understand in production you can see as much as in the spelling lol

                        The argument is iron. Only by no means side by side with the written is not connected. Let's face it, it's a stupid manipulation.

                        It says that the failure to meet the deadlines was the result of modernization.

                        Seriously? That this is exactly how it is written. Could you give a quote, who knows how to read? And who else would give such impudent advice to whom?
                        Learn to read first, then think, and then write. Your process is going in the opposite direction.


                        Those. the renewal of the machine park could lead to a breakdown of the schedule.

                        This is where it is written? Or is it your stupid invention? And who would talk about fictional universes?

                        Give the facts that speak about the renewal of the machine park there, about the modernization carried out by the owner, even if not from this article, and I admit my complete wrong in this matter.

                        So far from you I can see
                        - Manipulation
                        - Insults
                        - Fiction

                        I don't see any facts.
                      4. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 13 May 2021 11: 40
                        -5
                        alexmach (Alexander)
                        Yesterday, 23: 46
                        Definitely. But who will finance all this pleasure? A private contractor? But somehow he doesn't move at all. State? Financing construction and research at the site of a private company?

                        Well then, you yourself start with what you declared earlier than me. Describe here what kind of construction and research (???) on the site of the private company "Zvezda" financed or should have been financed by the state. Are these your words above, or do you have a split personality again?
                      5. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 11: 50
                        +3
                        Are these your words above, or do you have a split personality again?

                        No, my dear, there is something wrong with your reading and thinking skills. This was my answer to the comment above.
                        what is needed is not nationalization, but the construction of new buildings with modern equipment and R&D for new engines ... but here the problems ... they did not give money

                        I also wondered who should finance it in a private company.
                        In response, you burst into delirium, attributing your thoughts to me and empty accusations, which, by the way, also could not be confirmed with the quote above.

                        well then you yourself start

                        Clear. No facts, only speculation and empty demagoguery.
                        There is nothing more to say.
                        I have the honor.
                      6. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 13 May 2021 12: 16
                        -4
                        I also wondered who should finance it in a private company.

                        There is nothing more to say.

                        Well, that is, they realized that they were chatting too much and now, so as not to be disgraced, they passed through the bushes. A common example of the behavior of fighters with a "system" who do not condemn themselves by excessive brain strain. The funny thing is that you fought for so long with your own comment, which I copied virtually verbatim laughing eh you, and write about honor ...
                        ps. cons, cons are more laughing it also exonerates your failure
                      7. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 12: 56
                        +2
                        well, that is, they realized that they were chatting too much and now, so as not to disgrace themselves, they passed through the bushes

                        No, I realized that apart from empty demogogy you are not capable of anything. You are not interesting, in your comments there is nothing but emptiness, nothing worth reading, thinking, responding to. Continuing to communicate with you is absolutely pointless.
                      8. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 13 May 2021 13: 04
                        -7
                        No, I realized that apart from empty demogogy you are not capable of anything.

                        blablabla ... the answer to the question will be? Not? well, come on, go - you said goodbye laughing
                        alexmach (Alexander)
                        Yesterday, 23: 46
                        Definitely. But who will finance all this pleasure? A private contractor? But somehow he doesn't move at all. State? Financing construction and research at the site of a private company?

                        ps baзmeaningfully written with "c"
                      9. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 13: 14
                        0
                        blablabla ... the answer to the question will be? Not? so come on, go - you said goodbye laughing

                        What and you want.
                      10. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 13 May 2021 13: 23
                        -6
                        What and you want.

                        you'd better spend so much perseverance to back up your statement with at least a gram of arguments. They would look smarter.
                        ps demоgogia is written with "a"
                      11. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 13: 25
                        +3
                        I gave my arguments ten messages above. In your advice that I am better, I do not need in any way.
                      12. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 13 May 2021 13: 51
                        +1
                        I gave my arguments ten messages above

                        Well, to dot the "i", we give the sequence of events:
                        So, yesterday a user with the nickname "alexmach (Alexander)" wrote the following:
                        alexmach (Alexander)
                        Yesterday, 15: 44
                        the plant should be returned to state ownership and efficient production should be organized there.

                        in response, the user Barberry25 (Barberry) replies:
                        Yesterday, 19: 58
                        what is needed is not nationalization, but the construction of new buildings with modern equipment and R&D for new engines ... but here the problems ... they did not give money

                        and the initiator of the dialogue on the nationalization of alexmach (Alexander) answers him
                        Definitely. But who will finance all this pleasure? A private contractor? But somehow he doesn't move at all. State? Financing construction and research at the site of a private company? At the same time, one where the owner has shown his inefficiency?

                        and today the user of the Ka-52 (Andrey) asks:
                        Describe here what kind of construction and research (???) on the site of the private company "Zvezda" financed or should have been financed by the state

                        to which it receives a full "arguments" response:
                        There is nothing more to say.
                        I have the honor.

                        A curtain laughing laughing laughing
                        you are a genius of rhetoric, monsieur. This is exactly how you need to conduct a dispute so that the enemy does not understand anything and gets confused himself laughing
                        okay, rest, otherwise you will be overwhelmed by your early childhood. One went out with a little head, took a gun, killed the children (((
                      13. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 13: 58
                        0
                        And you are a genius of copy-paste and tearing out of context. Go already with God.
                      14. The comment was deleted.
                      15. anykin
                        anykin 14 May 2021 23: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        it also exonerates your failure

                        Is that why your comment is more decent than mine, which was deleted?
  • Deck
    Deck 13 May 2021 06: 09
    +5
    But who will finance all this pleasure? A private contractor?


    Can you name examples of government-owned manufacturers of marine diesel engines?
    Caterpillar, Deutz AG, MAN Diesel, MTU Friedrichshafen, SEMT Pielstick, Wärtsilä, etc. All are private. The state must ensure the operation of such factories with the help of a sane financial and tax authorities. legislative policy. Provide training. Provide space for the development of production. Provide predictable loading. Etc.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 13 May 2021 09: 05
      +4
      The state must ensure the operation of such factories with the help of a sane financial and tax authorities. legislative policy

      What are your specific concerns about government financial, tax and legislative policies?
      Provide training

      Hello, why on earth? Why should this state provide personnel for a private enterprise? Who provided staff for the same Henry Ford? Well, if you are an entrepreneur, then take it. At least pay a decent salary there, recruit people to train people. Moreover, not only when it got hot on the defense order, but always because working with personnel is always a long-term occupation. You do not want? Then, instead of developing your company, they will simply buy MAN diesel engines .. well, they would have bought it if it were not for the sanctions.
      And so on

      It is very interesting ... and if the state owes all this, then where is the market economy in general, and where is there any place for entrepreneurship, and why is this private entrepreneur needed at all, if he owes so much to him.

      The fact of the matter is that, first of all, the state needs this development of dizilestry, that such a large-scale project can only be financed and implemented in Russian realities by the state (here is a clear example of how it is). And if all this is done by the state, then private capital here turns out to be just a freeloader and superfluous.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 13 May 2021 09: 23
      +3
      And yet .. I have written here with a comment above yours about how bad everything was in the USSR, but now I am reading what you wrote about "the state must" and what do I see? I see a planned economy. Starting from personnel training to ensuring a stable order. If the state should go into a planned economy, then the private entrepreneur seems to have nothing to do with it. Isn't that logical?
    3. Ka-52
      Ka-52 13 May 2021 10: 48
      -3
      I see a planned economy. Starting from personnel training to ensuring a stable order. If the state should go into a planned economy, then the private entrepreneur seems to have nothing to do with it. Isn't that logical?

      your planned economy has flunked all indicators. Before you plunge into the comments about the economy, take and ask about its results in the period from the 60s to the end of the 80s of the last century. Maybe the template will break it a little for you))
    4. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera 13 May 2021 12: 26
      +2
      For example, I now see what is falling and who. And I know that a lot, and in some areas almost everything, rests on that backlog, those developments, machine tools, works and so on. Now it all boils down to the fact that part of the money received from the sale of resources is bought in China and other countries where there was no 90s. And effective managers emerged from effective robbers. So what is there, can you even quote Putin, with "only galoshes for African countries were made in the USSR"?
    5. Ka-52
      Ka-52 13 May 2021 12: 37
      -2
      For example, I now see what is falling and who.

      the beginning of the plot is promising
      And I know that a lot, and in some areas almost everything, rests on that backlog, those developments, machine tools, works and so on.

      then he fell into chewing patterns
      Now it all boils down to the fact that part of the money received from the sale of resources is bought in China and other countries where there was no 90s.

      well, complete rolling of the author of the script into delirium
      So what is there, can you even quote Putin, with "only galoshes for African countries were made in the USSR"?

      well, and an enchanting ending - translation into the favorite doll of hamsters, Putin. Bravo! laughing fellow good
    6. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera 13 May 2021 17: 03
      +4
      You are not in the theater, less artistry and smiles, more specifics. Otherwise, by.
    7. Ka-52
      Ka-52 14 May 2021 04: 59
      0
      and what specifics should be in relation to the nonsense that you wrote? I am not a psychiatrist, I don’t make diagnoses. I just laughed at your absurdity and moved on. What is still not clear?
    8. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera 14 May 2021 06: 52
      -2
      Everything is very clear, giggle further, I thought you were serious and there is something concrete to say. Have a nice day.
    9. Ka-52
      Ka-52 14 May 2021 07: 24
      0
      Well, you didn’t set a serious tone for the discussion. For a serious discussion, you need at least half of the absurdities in your comment. And for example:
      1.
      and in some areas, almost everything rests on that backlog, those developments, machine tools, works and so on.

      repulsion from the "groundwork" is nothing more than development. Who will reproach the Americans, who are developing laser combat systems, that they did not invent the laser, but the little-known physicist from German Jews, Theodor Maiman? Or, for example, our PD-14 engine. Yes, it was based on the Soviet PD-12. But there are so many innovations in it that, apart from the HP turbine, there is nothing left there. LPV, ACS, ventilation, blade design - everything is new. So it's all nonsense.
      2.
      Now it all boils down to the fact that part of the money received from the sale of resources is bought in China and other countries where there was no 90s.

      and what, during the Soviet era, there was no export of hydrocarbons and no import of high-tech products? You at least take a look for familiarization before you write nonsense. Yes, the USSR had its own technologies and a park of machines. But as soon as it came to the quality of production with low tolerances, this is only foreign. Only the shaft could drive on its own. And no other was given, because, for example, the service life of equipment in the USSR averaged 26 years (versus the prescribed 10-12), and the renewal of the machine park (the rate of disposal of fixed assets) was only 2% versus 5% required.
      3.
      So what is there, can you even quote Putin, with "only galoshes for African countries were made in the USSR"?

      Putin has nothing to do with it. The achievements of the Soviet industry are full, but on the whole it was not an effective system. Having good indicators in the 50s, by the 80s it was sliding steadily downward in all macroeconomic indicators: labor productivity, capital intensity, capital-labor ratio, etc. They tried to solve the gap problem by additional investment in GDP, but the infusion of funds did not work, because surplus capacities were not covered by the availability of labor, and low labor productivity, lack of inter-divisional balance and high percentage of rejects finally killed the growth potential. In fact, perestroika only finished off the socialist economy, which by the 90s was already in crisis.

      here's your answer without giggling. Please think it over. hi
  • Cheldon
    Cheldon 13 May 2021 06: 43
    +4
    Private traders are already being squeezed out of the state defense order. On the one hand, it is correct. There were applicants, when, having received an advance payment for work, the owners fled with money to one BV country, from where, like from the Don, there is no issue.
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 13 May 2021 11: 24
    -2
    we have already passed state property, money was cut, there is no incentive to work
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 12 May 2021 19: 56
    -1
    rather, the Moscow Region, in its tradition, first promises not to sue, and then to sue its "arch-wise" position is shown ..
  • Eug
    Eug 13 May 2021 06: 54
    -3
    It is very likely that there are a lot of people willing to visit the factory with orders. Moreover, judging by the same article, the most difficult moments have been passed and the situation allows us to hope for further improvement. How it will be - we'll see.
    PS As for me, it is very similar to the situation with Furgal's opal .. the methods are different, but the subtext is the same.
  • IgorIP
    IgorIP 15 May 2021 01: 41
    0
    Nicholas C.
    12 May 2021 15: 28
    "Bankruptcy is not a stoppage of a plant, but a change of ownership. It means that Messrs. Pumpyanskiy (Sinar's group) are not coping."

    Bankruptcy is the sale of everything under the hammer in order to raise funds to pay off creditors ... TOTAL! equipment, remaining stock, dismissal of all employees, and after that - the complete liquidation of the enterprise.
  • BecmepH
    BecmepH 12 May 2021 16: 26
    +8
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    (construction, by the way, from the 40s of the 20th century)

    Weak argument. Chrysler already used hydraulic compensators in 1928, if I am not mistaken. Unit injectors have already been installed on our Ya-204 diesels, if I am not mistaken, produced in the 50s. I am silent about "Kalash" ...
    What does the year have to do with it? They don't come up with anything new! Improvement just happens (ugh, barely wrote)
  • Sailor
    Sailor 13 May 2021 07: 02
    +4
    That's for sure, we had M-503 on the MT, I also remember turning it before launch, and the resource is small.
  • Sibguest
    Sibguest 13 May 2021 11: 19
    0
    Hello
    ".... before starting it must be cranked like an aircraft piston motors so that there is no water hammer ..."
    Did you come up with it yourself or read it in a "smart book"?
    All aviation experts who dealt with piston engines (on the same An-2) now, like me, have fun reading your "expert" opinion.
  • donavi49
    donavi49 12 May 2021 15: 06
    +29
    Yeah. And they also make a reducer. If they self-destruct in protest, then there will be no 22350 frigates either, they are the exclusive manufacturer of gearboxes.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 12 May 2021 15: 12
      +25
      Quote: donavi49
      If they self-destruct in protest,

      It is being liquidated ... it is somehow .... We must look at who is the owner ... and after bankruptcy it can go either to USC or to someone else - Rostec, UEC ... GDP - enterprises that do not fulfill the state defense order must be nationalized ... - "Yes, such an instrument is possible, including in the case of such a malicious failure to fulfill the supply of goods intended to ensure the security and defense of the country."
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 12 May 2021 16: 31
        +26
        Quote: BrTurin
        enterprises that do not fulfill the state defense order must be nationalized.

        I can throw the scheme offhand ...
        The enterprise is deliberately brought to bankruptcy ... It is nationalized ... For our money, it is restored, modernized and ... Talk more? Okay, I'll tell you ... And for a penny it is sold to a "successful" (a member of the "family") entrepreneur. Not this way?
        1. Streamil
          Streamil 13 May 2021 02: 09
          +4
          Exactly so, but it is brought to bankruptcy by a set of state loans with their subsequent withdrawal to offshores, embezzlement of budget funds allocated for production under a contract. This is how billions are poured from the budget into the pockets, while the news happily sounds "nationalized"
          1. Streamil
            Streamil 13 May 2021 02: 16
            +7
            There was news about "Kurganmashzavod" - it did not cope with the State Defense Order and "a number of necessary measures for financial recovery" were carried out at the expense of the budget
            Well, that's right, first, for budget money (state loan), they privatized, then they got more loans in the state. and foreign banks, they "mastered" budget money under the order, squeezed everything out and took them to offshores, now they will heal the corpse, i.e. repayment of loans taken by the owner to foreign banks will restore production at the expense of the budget. And so with all large enterprises, the scheme has been in full swing for 10 years already. And then they again privatize for a penny
    2. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 12 May 2021 15: 17
      +8
      Quote: donavi49
      If in protest they self-destruct

      can no longer be sued once!
      just a change in the owner of the plant is taking place, how effective will it be and how long will all court cases last? and this time ((
      1. lucul
        lucul 12 May 2021 15: 26
        +13
        can no longer be sued once!
        just a change in the owner of the plant is taking place, how effective will it be and how long will all court cases last? and this time

        I also think that the state will nationalize the Star.
        1. knn54
          knn54 12 May 2021 16: 27
          +30
          Several years ago, the management changed at the plant.
          From piece-bonus wages they switched to salaries. Moreover, the enterprise is serviced by a bank controlled by the management.
          The specialists began to leave, leaving students and pensioners.
          Previously, more than 90% of components were produced right there.
          Today, half of the plant's territory is leased to just anyone.
          There are many complaints about components that are already produced by third-party enterprises.
    3. Eldorado
      Eldorado 12 May 2021 15: 18
      +1
      Bankruptcy is not the end of the enterprise. If Zvezda is indeed bankrupt, it will simply be transferred to another owner.
      1. bk316
        bk316 12 May 2021 15: 34
        +11
        it will simply be transferred to another owner.

        It is obvious. Here the intrigue is whether this new master will be the state.
        I think they have a direct path to the USC. Well, such factories do not need to be PJSC ...
        1. Deck
          Deck 13 May 2021 06: 13
          +8
          I think they have a direct path to the USC.


          USC with its current leadership is a laughing stock in the eyes of all shipbuilders in the country!
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2021 18: 43
      -4
      The gearbox documentation will be handed over to another company.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 12 May 2021 18: 50
        +15
        It's not about the documentation, but about the tooling, the production line and suddenly people, starting from Vasya at the machine for 25k rubles, ending with the master Petrovich and the delivery team. It will be difficult to replace the latter if they run away from the troubled enterprise, all over the Sesterenki u Ashot LLC.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 12 May 2021 22: 31
          -6
          The rigging and all the equipment can be transferred, and no ashot will definitely be able to produce them and they will not be able to.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 12 May 2021 21: 03
        +7
        Quote: Vadim237
        The gearbox documentation will be handed over to another company.
        Not the fact that others will take (to work for the military hemorrhoids, and now it is not particularly profitable) and not the fact that they will master it.
    5. Rostislav
      Rostislav 12 May 2021 19: 08
      +2
      Are not pests sitting in the Ministry of Defense? If there is no other manufacturer of motors and gearboxes, then one option is to aim at nationalization. And in order not to pay too much, they decided to do it through bankruptcy and change of ownership.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 12 May 2021 20: 56
        +4
        Quote: Rostislav
        Are not pests sitting in the Ministry of Defense?
        They cannot do otherwise: the instructions are as follows. The deadlines have been missed - a lawsuit is automatically brought to court with penalties, even if the PZ understands that this is to the detriment of the case.
        1. Eug
          Eug 13 May 2021 07: 08
          +3
          They understand PZ, but there is a prosecutor's office over them ... and there are lawyers, they don't care about the interests of production and the customer, they act "according to the law" ...
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 13 May 2021 01: 30
        +8
        Quote: Rostislav
        Are not pests sitting in the Ministry of Defense?
        judging by the logic of their actions .... it's not a fact (!)... belay
        Quote: bk0010
        They cannot do otherwise: the instructions are as follows. The deadlines have been missed - a lawsuit is automatically brought to court with penalties, even if the PZ understands that this is to the detriment of the case.
        What do you think ? Could a potential customer (in face MO !!), do not realize that almost a one-time (for a maximum of TWO years !!), contracting of 18 ships (and almost the same hurried laying in parallel in several factories / shipyards), with a probability of 95% will lead to a disruption in the supply of power plants ?! recourse request
        Yes they are not just readers (discussing articles on IN), but simply were obliged to study the potential production capabilities of the power plant, Zvezda plant as a subcontractor (!)... To be aware of the fact how many units of "Karakurt" can actually get the power plant (within one calendar Of the year !!!). And this had to be done - before the massive bookmarks of 22800 .. !!! yes
        Well, the second (!) ... Who believes that USC will immediately turn out to be the real best owner of the bankrupt "Zvezda", and such a transition is unambiguous (and most importantly IMMEDIATELY) will benefit shipbuilding programs ... ? !! he is probably an optimist (!) ... what
        the only thing hard to argue with is
        Quote: Graz
        ..there is not enough Beria here
        yes
        1. Eug
          Eug 13 May 2021 07: 10
          +2
          Well, how did the Star sign the contract? The factories already knew their production capabilities for sure ...
      3. Deck
        Deck 13 May 2021 06: 18
        +8
        Are not pests sitting in the Ministry of Defense?


        Well, there are two options. You voiced the first one. The second - unprofessional, limited, uneducated bureaucrats. Who were put on financial streams so that money would flow into the right pocket. Which option do you like best?
  • Graz
    Graz 12 May 2021 15: 02
    +13
    Beria is missing here
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 12 May 2021 15: 45
      +11
      Lavrenty Pavlovich would undoubtedly have brought these slobs to life ... But it was a different country with a different form of ownership and, accordingly, the principles of enterprise management. We are now "playing" (how disgusting it sounds) according to capitalist conditions.
      And in these conditions, the nationalization of this enterprise simply suggests itself. Perhaps this will be done. Through bankruptcy proceedings.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 12 May 2021 21: 00
        -6
        Quote: volodimer
        Lavrenty Pavlovich would undoubtedly bring these slobs to life ...
        Lavrenty Pavlovich was unable to ensure the release of large-caliber machine guns
        By the decision of Comrade Beria L.P. dated April 14, 1944 to the People’s Commissar of Armaments comrade Ustinov D.F. entrusted to manufacture and deliver GAU KA:
        1. 14,5 mm machine guns Vladimirov "KPV-44" 20 pcs. without installations, to ensure the experimental development of integrated anti-aircraft, tank, armored trains, etc. installations - by June 15, 1944
        2. 14,5 mm machine guns Vladimirov "KPV-44" 30 pcs. on single anti-aircraft installations, for military tests - by July 1, 1944
        However, to date, the plant number 2 has not passed the GAU KA, even the first batch of machine guns (without installations), as a result of which the actual experimental work is disrupted.
        I will forgive your assistance and the relevant NKV decrees on taking measures to ensure the implementation of the decision of Comrade Beria on the delivery of GAU KA 14,5 mm machine guns Vladimirov "KPV-44" in the shortest possible time.
        Please inform me of your decisions.
        CHIEF OF THE MAIN ARTILLERY
        MANAGEMENT
        Artillery Marshal Yakovlev
        5 September 1944 g

        On the issue: the delivery of a series of 14,5 mm machine guns KPV-44 on anti-aircraft installations.
        I am forced to agree with the deadline for the commissioning of KPV-44 at anti-aircraft installations, as defined by you on January 1, 1945.
        However, there are fears that this period by Plant No. 2 will not be fulfilled as well as the previously appointed dates.
        Inspection at the factory number 2 found that not all the installation details have been launched into production and the assembly of plants is extremely sluggish.
        Head of the GAU of the Red Army
        MARSHAL ARTILLERY
        Yakovlev
        29th of November 1944.

        You cannot take off your shoes on a barefoot.
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 12 May 2021 22: 02
          +5
          You can't pull a donkey by the ears ...
          Much was produced belatedly, and the CPV, which at that time was not yet relevant. In the USSR, much did not merge with plans; this practice has existed since pre-war times.
          Somewhere there were unreasonably high plans, somewhere there was a discrepancy in technical capabilities, somewhere an elementary lack of necessary resources. In these cases, the problem had to be solved, which could not be done instantly, it was done, albeit not as quickly as desired.
          And gradually the quantity and quality of produced tanks, aircraft, small arms grew ... But where there was intellectual potential, resources, machinery, equipment, but there was no result, there Lavrenty Pavlovich included a repressive resource, which, often, spurred the brains of the wards. Was it always reasonable? Of course not, but was it effective, in most cases, yes.
          "You can't take off your shoes on a barefoot." Why, it is possible, if he is "put on" ... This is a play on words not related to the essence of the discussion. hi
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 May 2021 16: 07
      +26
      Quote: Graz
      Beria is missing here

      You see, if by some miracle you revive Lavrenty Pavlovich, then he will not start his work from factories. He understood very well where the fish starts to rot.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 12 May 2021 18: 29
        +7
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: Graz
        Beria is missing here

        You see, if by some miracle you revive Lavrenty Pavlovich, then he will not start his work from factories. He understood very well where the fish starts to rot.

        That's right, he'll start with loans-for-shares auctions. And then the Chubais will be drawn, and the Sobchaks, and their deputies like V.V. Putin. In 37, he did not have so much work as here laughing
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 May 2021 18: 44
        -4
        Fish in Russia rots from the head and, unfortunately, from the tail at the same time.
      3. volodimer
        volodimer 12 May 2021 20: 53
        +4
        Andrew! The answer is just class. At first I wanted to write that if anyone ... then Joseph Vissarionovich, and then I thought that neither he nor Lavrenty Pavlovich would even want to try to save IT. Perhaps I underestimate them, but what could one, albeit a very strong person, do in this swamp. And could she now find enough support to "whip milk and get butter."
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 May 2021 10: 50
          +3
          Quote: volodimer
          The answer is just class.

          Thank:)
          Quote: volodimer
          Perhaps I underestimate them, but what could one, albeit a very strong person, do in this swamp.

          A lot of things. But - there is a nuance. The current government is obviously corrupted by it at almost all levels, and repressions are needed to break this in a short time. The peculiarity of management is to take people out of their comfort zone, while promising them all sorts of buns for achieving the desired goals. Have achieved - to give them soak, relax in this zone, and - again. And this requires both a carrot and a whip. The modern-day stuck has nothing to offer as a carrot that they cannot steal for themselves now. So it turns out - year 37 is needed again.
          And then a couple of generations will pass, and the savior of the country will again begin to be abused as a tyrant and despot ...
    3. keeper03
      keeper03 12 May 2021 19: 18
      0
      The devil knows what's going on!?! belay request
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 12 May 2021 15: 04
    +3
    what is an alternative plant in Russia?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 12 May 2021 15: 08
      +21
      Not. But on the other hand, the late Khrushchev 112 cylinder monsters are Paleolithic. Yes, they are quite powerful in size, but the price for power is wild noise and vibration (that's why PLO says hello), extremely low resource (MTU has three times more), high operating costs and frequent routine maintenance.

      It has long been necessary to make a modern diesel engine for basic dimensions. Well, or get a license from the same Koreans or the Chinese (a kind of roundabout way from France / Germany to China, and from there to Russia).
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 May 2021 15: 17
        -1
        Only in Asia to take ...
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 12 May 2021 15: 49
        +6
        Well, or take a license from the same Koreans or the Chinese (a kind of roundabout way from France / Germany to China, and from there to Russia).

        Interestingly, and they have the right to resell the license?
        And what is the difficulty in creating modern diesel engines? There, judging by the comments on the forum, it is not so much a problem with knowing how and what should be done as with the general backwardness of the industrial base at engine-building enterprises.
    2. Eldorado
      Eldorado 12 May 2021 15: 19
      +1
      Kolomna plant.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 12 May 2021 15: 46
        +5
        not yet mastered the line of modern diesels. Unfortunately
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 May 2021 15: 49
        +12
        Quote: El Dorado
        Kolomna plant.

        In Kolomna there are diesel engines for corvettes and higher. For all its obsolescence, Zvezdovskiy stars were compact and powerful, just for small ships.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 May 2021 15: 09
    +4
    Let's hope that despite all the litigation, the Russian fleet will receive ships on time.
    Will they get ships without engines?
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 12 May 2021 15: 18
      +9
      Sailboats are more environmentally friendly. Hi Greta! Well, Nakhimov and Ushakov! love
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 12 May 2021 15: 15
    +4
    Reviews of employees of JSC Zvezda. Actually, nothing new if the enterprise does not fulfill the state defense order on time.
    Someone there promised to bankrupt such ...
    https://neorabote.net/feedback/list/company/83422/
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 May 2021 15: 35
      +6
      Quote: Canecat
      Someone there promised to bankrupt such ...

      It's not tricky to go bankrupt. Bam! and there is no factory. And you need to make the plant work - "Isn't it, Lavrenty Pavlovich?" Although sarcasm, there is a large grain of truth.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 12 May 2021 15: 59
        +8
        Experience shows that in our state enterprises and private enterprises, effective managers are able to ditch any business for the sake of their own profit. But according to the accepted "rules of the game", the state has no right to interfere in the activities of private enterprises, but if it is a state enterprise, then here ... And here you can achieve a lot if the manager is like Lavrenty Pavlovich. After all, he not only "whipped", but also providing all the necessary resources to those who really plowed for the result, created an atomic bomb, and much more.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 12 May 2021 20: 02
          -2
          winked Still, the state would raise the profit rate so that employees could raise salary too.
          1. volodimer
            volodimer 12 May 2021 20: 17
            +6
            Definitely, employees of such an enterprise should not think about where and how to cheat or snatch something. They should calmly work for the good of the country, fulfilling the state defense order, knowing that their work sufficiently satisfies the needs of their families.
            I did something in the spirit of a socialist slogan, but this is correct.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 12 May 2021 20: 42
              0
              here I am about the same thing ... it is necessary to put in the price of salary of employees ... and a high salary ... yes, we may have a price tag for a corvette will increase by a lard ... but in general the state will have to allocate 50-70 billion a year additionally ... but the result will be
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 12 May 2021 20: 58
                +7
                Well, yes, and still there are no ships, no engines, no factory, no workers, no money either.
                For that is, villas, yachts, managers, bankers, taxes, 4% of the declared inflation ... Such is the exchange.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 12 May 2021 21: 03
                  +1
                  Well, there are ships and there were, the point is that Zvezda could not physically fulfill the contract on time ... this was repeatedly stated in due time ... the technical base was outdated corny ... and the plant director at one time refused to sign a contract with a quote In the end, they will jail me anyway. "If you want to get quality products on time, you need to provide the plant with modern equipment ...
            2. Petrol cutter
              Petrol cutter 12 May 2021 21: 00
              +2
              “They should work quietly for the good of the country, fulfilling the state defense order, knowing that their work sufficiently satisfies the needs of their families.
              I did something in the spirit of a socialist slogan, but this is correct. "
              Strongly agree with you.
              However, you will have to go to the coven this week. People need to sew up drywall.
              True, I am not a dvigatelestroy, I am rather a consumer of their products. repeat
              1. volodimer
                volodimer 12 May 2021 21: 11
                +7
                So the fact of the matter is that there is no way to calmly work on one normal job.
                This means that the distribution of income from labor results does not correspond to either the needs of people or the needs of the state. Of course, if you do not mean a bunch of bureaucrats-oligarchs by the state. Here I am again with socialist slogans. And what to do if only in that system a skilled worker received a decent salary, often more than some deputy or official.
                1. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter 12 May 2021 21: 24
                  +6
                  "Here, I am again with socialist slogans. And what can you do if only in that system a skilled worker received a decent salary,"
                  And, no one said that socialist slogans are bad.
                  Moreover, now the people have begun to come to their senses little by little. From capitalist happiness. And to be imbued with the idea that the slogans and attitudes towards life were very correct.
              2. Nemchinov Vl
                Nemchinov Vl 13 May 2021 01: 40
                0
                Quote: Benzorez
                However, you will have to go to the coven this week. People need to sew up drywall.
                True, I am not a dvigatelestroy, I am rather a consumer of their products.
                Relax - dear Vitaly (!). hi There are no complaints about the More plant !!!... Feodosia "their corps" built honestly (as a branch of "Pella"). We are with sympathy and respect for you !!! wink
                1. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter 13 May 2021 19: 14
                  0
                  "Relax, - dear Vitaly (!). Hi There are no complaints about the More plant !!!."
                  So after 22800 I have a bunch of problem ships.
                  Thank God, the first A40 - runs on running gear. I admired it today.
                  So he should have been in Novorossiysk a year and a half ago.
                  I have "Comets" right now, they were supposed to roll the people that year. I'm not sure that even the head will start in this ...
                  How can you calm down?! ..
                  And these are our salaries. Why should I live / feed my child?
                  I went on vacation today. Not that there are no vacation pay, but there is no salary for the last month either.
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 12 May 2021 16: 01
        +2
        In this case, they will be bankrupt in order to take over production management.
  • askort154
    askort154 12 May 2021 15: 25
    +5
    According to the newspaper, the lawsuit contains a requirement to terminate the 2016 contract for the supply of marine diesel engines by the enterprise.

    As a result, 5 years "down the drain." Who will draw conclusions? These are diesels not for tractors, but for the fleet.
  • Looking for
    Looking for 12 May 2021 15: 25
    +4
    "Let's hope that despite all the litigation, the Russian fleet will receive ships on time."
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 12 May 2021 15: 34
      +7
      Have you tried to name the names of those in charge? Read the contract. There are signatures. Otherwise, it is impossible.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 12 May 2021 15: 32
    +7
    This means that Zvezda will have a new owner. Apparently, the redistribution of property is brewing again.
    1. Forcecom
      Forcecom 12 May 2021 15: 46
      +5
      the fact that "Zvezda" may have a new owner is what is called "to hell with him" the trouble is different, as if in the process of bankruptcy proceedings the last specialists did not scatter to sell "panties and bras", that is, everyone wants it and preferably regularly.
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 12 May 2021 15: 45
    +3
    Wild capitalism in all its glory ... the main thing is that the loot is allocated and the contract is grabbed ... and then either the donkey dies or the padishah dies :)
    Nobody died, we will have to return the funds :))
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 12 May 2021 16: 50
      -3
      Wild capitalism in all its glory ...


      Quite right - in wild capitalism everything is like that. But it's just that in capitalism they have all kinds, types and brands of engines that the soul wants ... laughing
      1. ultra
        ultra 12 May 2021 19: 46
        +5
        Yes, yes, yes, we have already been told that we don’t have to do anything ourselves, we will sell oil, we will buy everything. laughing
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 13 May 2021 07: 57
          -2
          you don't have to do anything yourself,


          And I mean that the capitalists, if they can, do everything themselves and sell to others, but your capitalism is not quite what you need. By the way, not everything is all right with us either ...

          We have all the tidbits passed to the former communists, members of the Komsomol and the KGB. Well, what kind of capitalism can they build besides feudal? So they did it with capitalism, as well as with socialism ...
          1. ultra
            ultra 13 May 2021 09: 46
            0
            I know what will be needed when we cease to exist as a single state. laughing
  • Dikson
    Dikson 12 May 2021 16: 01
    0
    So what .. are we going to buy in China?
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 12 May 2021 16: 39
      +1
      Import substitution.
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 12 May 2021 16: 04
    +5
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    Bankruptcy is not a plant shutdown, but a change in ownership. This means that Messrs. Pumpyanskiy (Sinar's group) are not coping.


    Bankruptcy can lead both to the restoration of the enterprise's activities - external management procedure / reorganization, and to liquidation - bankruptcy proceedings.
    As practice shows, when the threat of bankruptcy becomes real, TOP managers and founders, using all sorts of cunning schemes, try to withdraw the remaining liquid assets from the enterprise.
    As a result, a bona fide arbitration manager, of course, can take measures to recover assets, but for this it is necessary that someone would agree to finance his activities with a real risk of "forever" getting bogged down in arbitration disputes on the return of assets ...

    However ... there are also such fairy tales with a happy ending ...
    The good news is that for some time now, the practice of bringing general directors and controlling founders / shareholders to subsidiary liability has become widespread, with the imposition of foreclosures on assets. belonging to these persons.
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 12 May 2021 21: 13
      +3
      It looks like there are no liquid assets left there. Judging by the comments and reviews of hard workers, most of the premises have been leased for a long time. The personnel were dispersed, the equipment was sold. Orders, again, have been fulfilled by subcontractors for a long time. The stump is not very fast and the stump is not very high quality because the main requirement is to be cheap.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 12 May 2021 16: 38
    -2
    They pissed away everything, nothing belongs to the state. How many percent of the shares of OOO Ministry of Defense belongs to the state? This is no longer a market, but some kind of bazaar ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 13 May 2021 07: 30
      -2
      Where is the "Star" located? Accidentally not in a "convenient place". where can condominiums for the rich and shopping and office centers for bureaucrats and businessmen be built?
  • xorek
    xorek 12 May 2021 17: 28
    -5
    Not on time for these proceedings at such a turbulent time for Russia
    Can't you put things in order?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2021 18: 50
      -5
      In which case the Kolomna D500 will be installed at the end of this year, they should be launched into a series - and if someone takes a contract but does not fulfill it and breaks it, this is already his problem and the Ministry of Defense does the right thing that Svizdyulin gives in the form of lawsuits - they will be released faster.
      1. xorek
        xorek 12 May 2021 20: 14
        -5
        Quote: Vadim237
        The Ministry of Defense is right to do what svizdyulin gives in the form of lawsuits - they will disintegrate faster.

        Well, God forbid, that so .. And then the lawsuit will begin and who benefits from it?
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 13 May 2021 01: 56
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        In which case, the Kolomna D500 will be installed at the end of this year, they should be launched into a series
        in the series, God forbid (!), but only they will be needed first of all corvettes 20385 (and even better, if instead of them, they smoothly go at 11664) ... !!! that is, for the power plant of the PLO / OVR corvettes ...
        Quote: Vadim237
        what if someone takes the contract but does not fulfill it and breaks it - this is already his problem and the Ministry of Defense is doing what Svizdyulin gives in the form of lawsuits - they will be disintegrated faster.
        so it is interesting to figure out whether it is "Star" (as a subcontractor) or rather OSK (as the main lobby interested in obtaining a mass contract "Karakurt" (!), influenced the timing), ?! convincing MO (as a customer) .... ?! .
        Quote: Lair
        Problems with engines for ships were clear to USC back in 2011. And the state of the Zvezda plant, by the way, was also known back then, and there was a lot of talk about the replacement of Ukrainian engines back in 2008. This is what I, as a participant in those meetings at the USC, say. But the management of the USC simply did not react to the memos of employees and entire departments, the management of the USC was interested and is interested only in personal enrichment.
        but this, unfortunately, is not surprising ...
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 13 May 2021 09: 41
          0
          Another thing is funny: the Chinese quickly created an engine-building industry from scratch, and in tight-knit Russia with engine building at all, the matter is a "pipe". But what kind of yachts we build at foreign shipyards for "patriotically oriented" entrepreneurs and "effective government managers" ...
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 12 May 2021 20: 51
    +1
    "The Ministry of Defense terminates the contract with the St. Petersburg plant" Zvezda "for the supply of marine diesel engines"
    What a twist!
    "As follows from the claim, the Ministry of Defense is not satisfied with the pace of deliveries of marine diesel engines for Russian ships under construction."
    Sometimes ...
    "If the contract is preserved, the company promises to complete the program on time by 2022."
    Well, what bank?! ..
    You might think MO - there is plenty to choose from!
    As I understand it, the military decided to simply solder a fine to the factory in order to give the people a boost.
    In turn, dvigatelestroy will file counterclaims with counterparties, and so on. hi
  • Lair
    Lair 12 May 2021 21: 49
    +5
    Problems with engines for ships were clear to USC back in 2011. And the state of the Zvezda plant, by the way, was also known back then, and there was a lot of talk about the replacement of Ukrainian engines back in 2008. As a participant in those meetings at the USC, I say this. But the management of the USC simply did not react to the memos of employees and entire departments, the management of the USC was interested and is interested only in personal enrichment. As one good friend of mine (chief engineer of a large marine design institute) said about the heads of the USC: "They steal and cannot stop." It couldn't be better!
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 12 May 2021 21: 51
    0
    The time has come and the defense industry can be allowed to return to the planned economy. Denationalization must start with large enterprises working for national security! The state order of the Ministry of Defense must be at state enterprises, with an appropriate design and technological structure, while ensuring full financial and technological control and compliance with state secrets.
    1. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga 12 May 2021 23: 05
      +7
      You laughed, but how is the money !? You are all talking about work, but no one about the salaries of turners, milling cutters, engineers and foremen, look at the salaries offered at such industries in "



      House of Personnel ", turner from 20tr, foreman 25, head of shop 45, locksmith 15, you go to work there, I don’t, I don’t want to be the middle class according to Putin, me and my children want to eat elementary and study in a free school, institute, but do not want to wash the floors behind the nouveau riches with the English parish corridor with a colidor. They drag everything and everyone, according to the hierarchy, they just do not see the edge of power for a long time, they have carte blanche, the factories are robbed, the directors and managers are completely crap, gender says I bought a lathe, why does he need any other cutters, drills, I bought you a machine, it should work for "treatment" Ltd., Mr. Sh, the production of stolen ship fittings, how you can work with them, he only knows how to steal, but don't work !!!
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 13 May 2021 00: 49
        +1
        Quote: nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga

        It's time to level uneven roads and lay normal asphalt. Joke love But seriously, the myth of an efficient, decent and honest owner has burst long ago!
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 13 May 2021 14: 38
        -2
        H'm. Today I am going to the "Svetofor" store. And in it the announcement reads: "Cashiers are invited for a 12-hour working day 3 through 3 with a salary of 24 thousand .... packers for an 8-hour working day, with a salary ... 14 thousand .. How much is there an" average "salary in Russia, according to the "honest" Rosstat?
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 13 May 2021 14: 46
          0
          In all Pyaterochka there, the salary is the same as in other magnets
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 13 May 2021 02: 02
      0
      Quote: Vladimir61
      The time has come and the defense industry can be allowed to return to the planned economy. Denationalization must start with large enterprises working for national security!
      it is YES (!), but I'm afraid that it is in this USC - one of the worst examples (!) ... http://cast.ru/news/sudostroenie-v-teni-bespoleznoy-nadstroyki.html ...
      Quote: Vladimir61
      ... The state order of the Ministry of Defense should be at state enterprises, with an appropriate design and technological structure while ensuring full financial, technological control и compliance with state secrets.
      straight trouble, when the same financial control, we are with you (as taxpayers), we cannot provide, - "sewn the very same state secret "...? !!
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 12 May 2021 22: 41
    +3
    Quote: xorek
    Not on time for these proceedings at such a turbulent time for Russia
    Can't you put things in order?


    You can, as much as possible. But order starts with discipline. Iron discipline and the strictest personal / personal responsibility. But in Russia, both the absence of any discipline is cultivated, and, God forbid !!! personal responsibility for anything .... for "now is not the 37th year!"
    That's when it finally comes to our sun-faced president that each minister should be personally responsible for the state of affairs in the industry entrusted to him, as soon as each official bears real personal responsibility, then yes, then there will be order, then a lot will be ...

    However, there is such a historical anecdote: Once, Tsar Emperor Alexander III was asked: Your Majesty, is it possible to restore order in Russia at last? The sovereign replied: You can. You can put things in order in Russia, but it is useless - there will be no order anyway.
  • tone
    tone 13 May 2021 06: 04
    0
    Well, all the RIP Karakuts sent by the Cossacks are in the higher echelons.
  • Tambov-there is god
    Tambov-there is god 13 May 2021 09: 59
    +2
    The fifth column in the Ministry of Defense does whatever it can. They waited until the plant began to rise to its feet and struck. It is high time for these majors, who have sold their pins, to be tried by a tribunal for treason.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 May 2021 10: 14
    +1
    Breaks ... so what? Apparently, an alternative research and production complex has been created. Or ... from all the participants they will create a "sharashka". But Beria is not visible.
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 13 May 2021 10: 33
    0
    the disruption of the supply of civilian products (engines) for the defense order should be viewed as sabotage and an attempt to influence the weakening of the country's defense capability. then the fine and forfeit will seem like an easy walk in comparison with treason.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 13 May 2021 13: 07
    +1
    Normal people, specialists, analysts, politicians have been talking and trumpeting since the 90s that it is necessary to develop our economy and industry. And the Medvedev government, under the tutelage of the leader, stupidly and ineptly looked at the back of the West. That’s the failure of diesel engines and so on in many industries and the economy. And where there is foresight, the wisdom of the development of the wisest, there is very little professionalism. This is not for you to plow in galleys!
  • Skyscream
    Skyscream 13 May 2021 13: 57
    +1
    Quote: Pechkin
    such a plant should be returned to state ownership and efficient production should be organized there.
    State ownership and efficient production are two non-overlapping things. Stable yes.


    Yeah, but the private sector and theft on state orders are quite coplanar!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 May 2021 14: 32
    +1
    It is right! Let the hucksters scratch themselves. Imagine themselves as the navel of the earth!
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 14 May 2021 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: "If the contract is preserved, the company promises to complete the program on time by 2022" ....
      That is, after being kicked in the ass, you suddenly decided to work fruitfully? And what prevented (who?) From doing this earlier? Everything with us is so ...
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 14 May 2021 13: 21
        0
        winked In power, not only bright heads are needed, but also iron legs and hands.
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 13 May 2021 14: 41
    +1
    On the other hand, there are not so many manufacturers of marine engines for warships in Russia.

    Nobody else makes such diesel engines in Russia and there is an acute shortage. Who will supply the ships with diesel engines? If only the task is to bankrupt the plant and take it into state ownership.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 May 2021 14: 53
    +1
    Hey redhead pomelo, how do your efficient owners work?
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 13 May 2021 17: 08
      0
      They work according to his behests, all the money go offshore and collect loans and debts, withdraw everything to foreign accounts, and then, when the "cow dies" themselves, they also go abroad to their beautiful villas
  • senima56
    senima56 13 May 2021 17: 15
    +1
    "The Ministry of Defense terminates the contract with the St. Petersburg plant" Zvezda "for the supply of marine diesel engines." hi So, what is next? Where will we order? Again at the "brothers"? fool That's why they are rubbing their hands now!
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 13 May 2021 18: 51
    +1
    Someone just wanted to change the owner. The place is bread.
  • patriot on line
    patriot on line 13 May 2021 23: 52
    0
    a tough story, I understand that no one planned to produce any engines, but as they say, the budget is spinning, the loot is muddied. All the beneficiaries have received theirs, and now let them sue.
  • patriot on line
    patriot on line 14 May 2021 00: 02
    -1
    Here the thing is, with a sufficient administrative resource, everything becomes simple - profit comes before costs, that is, for example, Russia is building another nuclear power plant, naturally on credit. Credit is provided by VEB, the state bank, all contracts are financed from the budget, that is, all interested parties receive their share at once, and, for example, Erdogan will give the loan, or not, the tenth thing.
  • K-50
    K-50 14 May 2021 14: 34
    0
    It seems that the top management of "Zvezda" is "deeply concerned" with how their enterprise works in terms of fulfilling the Agreements.
    So if you don't care, why do you take a job and get a salary?
    It is not necessary to issue "golden parachutes", but to withhold money from them for not fulfilling their duties !!!
    You can not pay, in a debt prison, pliz, to work off a debt on a logging !!! am
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 14 May 2021 15: 24
    0
    Large-scale transformations ... In Soviet times, this would say a lot ... And now ... They will put a new top manager from among the sons ... Such a country ... and into the sewers ... Masons will probably applaud. And they begin to reckon with our ruler.