The Israeli army against the Gaza Strip decided to use Merkava tanks

Israeli media publish reports that artillery and tank subdivisions. The strikes are being delivered to the Gaza Strip from border areas. At the same time, it is argued that all targets for Merkava tanks and artillery are carefully reconnoitered and relate exclusively to the infrastructure of Hamas and the controlled group (party) of organizations.

According to the latest data, to date, 6 people have died in Israel and at least 48 in the Gaza Strip.

It is reported that some time ago, representatives of the armed wing of Hamas fired an anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) from the northern part of the Gaza Strip at an SUV that was moving in the area of ​​the Netiv Haasar community. One of the Israelis in the car was killed, two were taken to hospital in serious condition. At the same time, there is no evidence that the SUV belonged to the Israeli military.

It also became known that shelling was carried out from the Palestinian side at the moment when they tried to evacuate the victims. To avoid further casualties, the Israelis used the smokescreen option.

According to some reports, the IDF uses this kind of camouflage to move Merkava tanks closer to the sector's borders. In the absence of disguise in the form of a smoke screen, Israeli tanks can be relatively easy targets for ATGMs of representatives of the Hamas military wing.

At the same time, footage appeared on the network, which shows how Israeli armored vehicles are transported on tractors. The authors of the video claim that in this way the tanks are transferred to the areas from which they subsequently shell Gaza.

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[Pytnik]

There is already data and video on the network (Telegram channel Military Observer) how an ATGM gets into an IDF's jeep, 2 hundredths and one 200th hundredth

[Professor]

Quote: Pytnik

There is already data and video on the network (Telegram channel Military Observer) how an ATGM gets into an IDF's jeep, 2 hundredths and one 200th hundredth

1-200 Years, 2-300 Years

[Pytnik]

Channel 12 is yours? It is reported that the second Israeli soldier wounded as a result of the launch of an ATGM died, it was at 11.53 ...

[Professor]

Quote: Pytnik

Channel 12 is yours? It is reported that the second Israeli soldier wounded as a result of the launch of an ATGM died, it was at 11.53 ...

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/H1oA11MFdO
Not. There is about one deceased wounded. 12.05.21/11/29 XNUMX:XNUMX

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: professor

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Today, 15: 12

Good luck to you! Hang in there.

[indy424]

The quality of the article about the transportation of the "Merkava" tank can be judged by the fact that there are no Merkava tanks in the video, which is called "Transportation of the Merkava tanks".

[Others]

The video on Military Observer is dated 2012. We have already published refutations.
IDF serviceman Omer Tabib was killed. Eternal memory to him, and condolences to his family and friends (((Their jeep was engulfed in fire. A local resident who was nearby was pulling them out of the jeep. During the evacuation, mortar fire was opened on the medics. This ATGM link or other was destroyed after some time ...

[A. Privalov]

The IDF press service announced the names of six Hamas militant leaders killed in Gaza over the past XNUMX hours.

1) Sami Rajuan, head of Hamas cyber units,
2) Jumaa Tahla, one of the leading engineers of Hamas,
3) Basam Isa, brigadier general of Hamas units in Gaza City,
4) Khazam Khatib, one of the leading engineers of Hamas,
5) Walid Shimali, in charge of Hamas infrastructure,
6) Jamal Zabda, one of the leading engineers of Hamas.

[Spike Javelin Touvich]

You shouldn't have listed their positions
now they will say that the Zionists are specifically destroying Palestinian doctors, engineers and scientists
so that the light elves remain uneducated and dark
For the good of great Israel from continent to continent

[Maz]

Quote: A. Privalov

The IDF press service announced the names of six Hamas militant leaders killed in Gaza over the past XNUMX hours.

1) Sami Rajuan, head of Hamas cyber units,
2) Jumaa Tahla, one of the leading engineers of Hamas,
3) Basam Isa, brigadier general of Hamas units in Gaza City,
4) Khazam Khatib, one of the leading engineers of Hamas,
5) Walid Shimali, in charge of Hamas infrastructure,
6) Jamal Zabda, one of the leading engineers of Hamas.

The point is that they will not negotiate, they will simply push back the next shelling, a year ahead

[Maz]

Telaviv died out by 20.00 today after yesterday, like the cemetery is empty, quiet, light, individual cars, motorcyclists, very rare passers-by, but the police are just around every corner. Hamas has achieved its goal, all who could have gone into hiding. 21.00 is generally like a lunar landscape.

[Zaurbek]

Just check out "Trophy"

[Incvizitor]

If the carrots have kaz it would be good to transfer the "hooks" to the fighters for independence, it will be possible to test their action against kaz in combat conditions.

[moscowp]

It would be nice to sell. To convey is to become a party to the conflict, now only the United States allows itself this. And to sell - just business, nothing personal, Israel will not let you lie

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: moscowp

It would be nice to sell.

Not a great idea. In a week, all of Russia's enemies will have their most advanced weapons. Aren't you tired of sticking your nose where you don't need to? So you want so problems? You will then have business not only with the Jews, but also with the Zionists. And this is no longer Hamas ........ where do you come from such sofa experts?

[moscowp]

Your nose is a good reminder. I don't understand what your nose is doing here. Take care, for example, with the question of where Israel is exporting its weapons, or go and present to the French, Italians, Germany that they are arming your geo-opponents in the Middle East. I am writing exclusively about the sale of Russian weapons on the legal arms market, I do not understand why your long nose is so excited.

[Oden280]

And then, instead of Israel, there will be a basalt skating rink.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

In a week, all of Russia's enemies will have their most advanced weapons.

And who at one time armed the Georgians despite the requests of Russia ????
Russia now has FULL moral and any other right to arm any of Israel's enemies.

[borberd]

Quote: Ramzaj99

And who at one time armed the Georgians despite the requests of Russia ????
Russia now has FULL moral and any other right to arm any of Israel's enemies.

Something doesn't fit with the numbers. Georgia was in 2008, and in 2006 there was a war in Lebanon, where Hezbollah terrorists used the "cornet" that you supplied to Hezbollah through Syria. Now the Hamas terrorists have "cornets" in their gas, which you supplied to them again through Syria. We need to deliver Spikes to Ukraine as a reciprocal alaverdy.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: borberd

We need to supply Spikes to Ukraine as a reciprocal alaverdy.

borberd, You here THIS (see above) want to transfer Spikes ???
Which side of your ancestors fought in WWII? -
If on the side of the "Axis Countries", then there are no questions ...
However, the president of Ukraine Jew and allows this in Ukraine, than you are better ...
CrimeaOur Russia.

[borberd]

I don’t want to, but it seems that many people here forget that the stick has two ends. How are the ones in the photo different from the Nazi party in Syria, with which you cooperate in Syria? Ie these Nazis you do not like, and the Syrian - yes? And the Hezbollah terrorists who regularly visit the Kremlin are no different from the Nazis, and even zigzag the same way.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: borberd

We need to supply Spikes to Ukraine as a reciprocal alaverdy.

Yes, the flag is in your hands.
Are there few enemies?
With such an attitude towards others, with your boss, you will remain until he throws you, as the need disappears ...
Jewish friends of the Nazis already sounds by the way not like a bad joke ...
And what does it mean you SUPPLIED them ??
PS If Russia was interested in Hezbalahs having Cornets, believe me it wouldn’t be stones flying now ....... And there are many Israeli weapons too, and if it is assumed everywhere that this is the intention of the state, you should declare war half the world the other half is to arm your enemies.

[borberd]

Quote: Ramzaj99

If Russia was interested in Hezbalah's having Cornets, believe it would not be stones flying now

So she had them. And it didn't bother you at all that they would be used against us, but for some reason it hurt a lot when the Georgians defended themselves from you with Israeli weapons. If we start to measure, then you will have more enemies, which means that it will be possible to put our weapons to many of them.

Quote: Ramzaj99

And who at one time armed the Georgians despite the requests of Russia ????
Russia now has FULL moral and any other right to arm any of Israel's enemies.

I can only say one thing, after your delivery of cornet to the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists, we have a moral right to supply your enemies with our advanced weapon.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: borberd

I can only say one thing, after your delivery of cornet to the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists, we have a moral right to supply your enemies with our advanced weapon.

I look in the madhouse again an open day ???
What are you hanging?? What a supply of weapons, especially the Cornets hezbollah. Did the cuckoo fly away completely ?? !!
Do you even understand the word DELIVERY ??
And that such complexes do not sell to just about anyone?
Tell me honestly you are 12 years old ??
Do you even understand what nonsense you are talking about now?
Deliveries: - these are weapons for the Syrian army, and then there is a lot that counts and it is not free. Russia also has a military trading partner to whom they sell various weapons, including the Cornets: - this is Iran, and what they do with their weapons is not Russia's problem, and then I remember there were agreements between the United States, Russia and Israel, according to which Russia voluntarily refused to buy Iran some types of weapons especially sensitive for Israel, now, as far as I know, everything has been canceled, and not the Russian side.
The meaning of Russia is flattery in your gadyushnik and arm Hezbollah when its problems are in bulk.

[Incvizitor]

Tavors have already been sold to the Bandera fascists.

[Incvizitor]

For this, and you can transfer.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Incvizitor

it would be nice to pass the "hooks" to the fighters for independence

Will not work. Russia will not provoke Israel by direct supply of weapons to Hamaz.
Well, "indirect" deliveries will not work - the RPG-30 has not yet been exported for export.
Compared to RPG-29, "Hook" has improved the launcher, plus added a diversion missile. “Vampire” showed itself excellently against “Merkava”, and against “Abrams” М1А2.
Here is the effectiveness of the distracting rocket I would like to check.
Interestingly, from modern RPG volleys at one target ever fired?

[Incvizitor]

In battle, it is so ideal to adjust the shots so that the kaz does not have time to react, I think it is very difficult.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Shurik70

Interestingly, from modern RPG volleys at one target ever fired?

There is such an option.

[Shurik70]

Quote: cat Rusich

There is such an option

That's interesting.
If they fly at the same time, KAZ will knock everyone down in one salvo. They will fly next to them. And if at intervals, the exhaust of the first grenade will interfere with the flight of those following.

The volley must be fired simultaneously, from the same distance, but from different directions. What is the need for effective communication and very high training of fighters. Then KAZ, theoretically, will shoot down only one shot, the rest will miss.

I doubt that this can often be used in real combat. Still, the tank is also actively looking for an enemy, and the more opponents, the faster they will be found. And the connection can be detected. Or drown out. And the tank itself does not stand still in battle. But such an ambush in the place where the tank must pass is really possible. For one volley.

[Revolver]

Quote: Incvizitor

it would be nice to pass the "hooks" to the fighters for independence

And soon these "hooks" or their copies will shoot at the federals in the Caucasus or at the Russians in Syria. Jihad does not recognize borders.

[dzvero]

Hamas was sort of "tame", not like Hezbola. Are you excited about Jerusalem? And why are they buzzing, and not Lebanese?
And as for the tanks, we will see if they have outlived theirs on the battlefield ...

[g1v2]

The Lebanese Khezes are not buzzing - they are waiting for a big war. And they accumulate potential for it. Missiles, tanks, anti-tank missiles, anti-ship missiles, etc. Hez have a lot of everything now.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: dzvero

Hamas was sort of "tame", not like Hezbola.

Yes, yes. Handcrafted and plush. But, as Gleb Zheglov used to say, it was, I remember, but time goes by. And now it's time for the teddy bear to run a little wild.

Quote: dzvero

As for the tanks, we will see if they have outlived theirs on the battlefield ...

In this case, it will be absolutely unimportant, because "carrots" are not so much tanks in the classic version as more or less mobile pillboxes. Heavy, thick-skinned ...
In 2006, the same khezes completely solved this problem. Thus, there is only a private, highly specific aspect of the use of BTT in the database.

[askort154]

And the Western press is deaf and dumb. Tanks openly shoot at the population, and there is no "aggression". It is not Russia that moves its troops on its territory, to its border, from which the whole West howled, seeing in this new "aggressive" actions of Russia against Ukraine.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: askort154

And the Western press is deaf and dumb

Not at all...
The British Air Force savor what is happening, making a worried face - they don't care about the fate of both the Palestinians and the Israelis. If only the correspondent looked good in the frame ...

[Professor]

At the same time, footage appeared on the network, which shows how Israeli armored vehicles are transported on tractors. The authors of the video claim that in this way the tanks are transferred to the areas from which they subsequently shell Gaza.

And where did the towers on these "tanks" go?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Oh wei! And sho, were you?

[dzvero]

They are being taken separately, because otherwise the trailer will either grunt or drop when cornering

[zlinn]

these are just spreads

[dzvero]

you can't joke

[Professor]

Quote: dzvero

They are being taken separately, because otherwise the trailer will either grunt or drop when cornering

Not ... just an inflatable tower. See the box in the stern? There she is now.

[dzvero]

I'm sorry, I didn't guess ... An interesting solution, promising

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Understood, explained well, thank you.

[Grits]

Quote: professor

And where did the towers on these "tanks" go?

It surprised me too. You are closer there - it is easier for you to recognize.

[Gado]

These are not Merkava tanks, these are Namer - heavy armored personnel carriers based on Merkav. Although, maybe some kind of modification.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Gado

These are not Merkava tanks, these are Namer - heavy armored personnel carriers based on Merkav. Although, maybe some kind of modification.

Minesweeper.

[Babermetis]

Quote: professor

At the same time, footage appeared on the network, which shows how Israeli armored vehicles are transported on tractors. The authors of the video claim that in this way the tanks are transferred to the areas from which they subsequently shell Gaza.

And where did the towers on these "tanks" go?

So the tanks go where the engineering troops passed ...

[Professor]

Quote: Babermetis

Quote: professor

At the same time, footage appeared on the network, which shows how Israeli armored vehicles are transported on tractors. The authors of the video claim that in this way the tanks are transferred to the areas from which they subsequently shell Gaza.

And where did the towers on these "tanks" go?

So the tanks go where the engineering troops passed ...

The grass got smoked and the tower was blown away.

[Babermetis]

Quote: professor

Quote: Babermetis

Quote: professor

At the same time, footage appeared on the network, which shows how Israeli armored vehicles are transported on tractors. The authors of the video claim that in this way the tanks are transferred to the areas from which they subsequently shell Gaza.

And where did the towers on these "tanks" go?

So the tanks go where the engineering troops passed ...

The grass got smoked and the tower was blown away.

With grass, a good option ... and so that it would not be hard to carry, all the towers were folded into a square iron backpack. They will come to the place, they will get off the trucks, and then they will get the towers out of the backpack and continue on their own.

[seacap]

Do they have any other weapons in service? A strange headline, in general, what they were trying to achieve was what they got, how many people have they already killed with their air raids on the sovereign territory of Syria, etc.? I understand that our nobility and criminals have their own interests there, but I remember how until recently, Israel was firmly associated with the concept of imperialist Zionism, I don’t think that something has changed there over the years. I don’t remember where I read it and I don’t pass it off as a fact, but there is evidence that the Israelis have killed more people during their existence than died in all world wars, so they are not at all "white and fluffy", but only tb. not victims. Those who, unlike us, are simple-minded, we must pay tribute to their purposefulness and cunning, somehow legitimize their concept of "catastrophe" in the world.

[Revolver]

Quote: seacap

during their existence the Israelis killed more people than died in all world wars

...
But the same drunk told me after the businessman,
What do they drink the blood of Christian babies;
And once in the pub, the guys told me
That a long time ago they crucified God!

They need blood - they are parked
Tortured, bastards, elephant in the zoo!
They stole, I know, they are from the people
All the bread of last year's harvest!

By Kursk, Kazan Railway
They built summer cottages - they live there like gods ...
I'm ready for anything: robbery and violence.
And I beat Zh.i.d.o.v - and I save Russia!

© V. Vysotsky

[bobba94]

Read about the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988, in which about 1,7 million people were killed on both sides. The very ordinary war .... one of the many wars between Muslim countries. The Jews could not have dreamed of this even in the sweetest dreams .... Strange your comment, have you really been sitting in a cache for the last 20 years?

[seacap]

To start. 1742 BC e. (2018 from the creation of the world) - the conclusion of an alliance between the Creator and Abraham. Within the framework of the union between the cut parts, the Creator promises to produce a new people from Abraham and grant them the Land of Canaan. This event is the starting point of Jewish history.
Almost all the time this is the story of a war with neighbors, and the Jews then were not at all injured or injured.
In general, this discussion does not make sense, because, it seems, people are discussing the article, and not each other's comments, the wrong platform and the wrong format for this.

[Iris]

To start. I don’t remember where I read it and I don’t pass it off as a fact, but there is evidence that the Israelis, during their existence, killed more people than died in all world wars,

For the end.
I'm afraid to ask - "in all", is this in what? .. Offhand two - the First World War (total losses in aggregate from 10,5 to 22 million people and the Second World War (in total - from 50 to 80 million people). That is, the Israelis, how you read, do not remember where, killed from 60 to 100 million people? ..
Are you, I'm sorry, in your mind?

[avib]

The authors of the video claim that in this way the tanks are transferred to the areas from which they subsequently shell Gaza.

Tanks for shelling? Where did such a "professional" article come from?
There are guns, mortars, drones, aviation, and only then, when direct fire - already tanks.

[Catfish]

The Israeli army against the Gaza Strip decided to use Merkava tanks

"We sharpen bayonet knives in advance,
And they stand behind us like a steel wall
Three tankmen, Chaim the machine gunner,
The crew of the combat vehicle. "(C)

[Krasnodar]

Greetings, Constantine!
These are the maintenance girls - himush. ))
The crews seemed to want to try, but only got to the instructors

[Catfish]

These are the maintenance girls - himush.

Pretty anyway.

... but only reached the instructors

But how will they instruct if they only know theory, and they have zero practice? It turns out not logical. We taught the youth when we skated for a couple of years and shot them in our cars, otherwise what will you teach the sala?

[Krasnodar]

Everything is simpler - basic skills of shooting from a cannon, driving, etc.
In the IDF, everything happens like this (as far as I know). They give them a course for a young soldier, during which recruits receive basic infantry training (before the squad), plus a machine gun + mortar and some kind of basic acquaintance with the tank, where, it seems, there are these instructors.
Then professional courses begin - everything is already under the command of people who know the tank, incl. from personal experience + those who have undergone specialized training for the "forge of personnel". All this lasts about one and a half years. The guys receive specialization "in talents" (mechanic driver, gunner, etc.), take appropriate courses, in short - all this lasts a year and a half. Then they get to the unit, where senior citizens adapt them to specific vehicles. In my time they served for three years, now, in my opinion, two and ten

[Catfish]

In general, the system is understandable and, since it has already been developed and gives results, so what else is needed.

[Krasnodar]

The Israelis screwed up well in the early 60s - the centurions, firing 90 shells, did not hit the Syrian T-4s, who calmly shot Israeli tractor drivers, and then washed off to the Golan Heights.
Since then, the training of tankers has been taken seriously.

[Catfish]

Yes, I immediately remembered this story with the "Centurions". New generation tanks and untrained crews. I don’t remember the name of the general who took matters into his own hands and after a short time, the same crews, on the same Centurions, beat the Syrian “Fours” like nuts.

[Krasnodar]

Tal is one of the initiators of the creation of the Merkava. He did not let the crews leave the shooting ranges for a couple of weeks. From there went the Israeli concept - the entire crew "works for the gunner"))).

[Catfish]

Yes, I remembered, the namesake of the world chess champion.

[Krasnodar]

I was in reserve at the training camp, I saw the exercises of tankers (partisans) - cool

[Catfish]

Guerrillas, it's always fun. This joke passed me, I have never been to the training camp, I wiped my pants a couple of times at the military registration and enlistment office. And then Captain Seryoga Malikov saved me from Chernobyl, they took all the techies, and I have the rights of a mechanic, so I would burn with a blue flame if not for Sergei. Lucky, I didn't have to eat X-rays because of someone else's carelessness.

[Krasnodar]

X-rays are always harmful - absolutely. Sometimes deadly. But I have a client who is still alive, a former liquidator, went through two serious operations, and everything is ok - a bunch of granddaughters, a grandson and everything like that)).

[Catfish]

Not everyone is so lucky, unfortunately, from the same Sergey I heard very unpleasant things, not for publication, so to speak. Yes, and my friend, from Kiev, flew there on a turntable as an operator, took readings for radiation, showed me his personal book with doses and said - "You just put a comma on the other side." Such things, Igor was his name, then left for Lat. America, it seems, went into a mercenary, since then there has been no rumor or spirit. He was a great guy.

[Krasnodar]

Colombia-Ecuador? Exhausted - cocaine, if not for free, then for 2-5 tanks of grams.

[Catfish]

I don’t know that, he liked to drink in the company, like all of us sinners, but I don’t know what happened there. I'm sorry I lost my friend.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Sea Cat

Guerrillas, it's always fun. This joke passed me, I have never been to the training camp, I wiped my pants a couple of times at the military registration and enlistment office. And then Captain Seryoga Malikov saved me from Chernobyl, they took all the techies, and I have the rights of a mechanic, so I would burn with a blue flame if not for Sergei. Lucky, I didn't have to eat X-rays because of someone else's carelessness.

Do not be offended ...
You did not go "partisan" - a boy of 18-19 years old went instead of you ...
Which REFUSED had no right - ORDER.

[Catfish]

I'm not offended, but your example about a boy at 18-19 is not very good. This kid had his own family, had children? And I had. So let's be more careful with moralism, I think that any adult, given the opportunity to excuse himself from such "pleasure", would not hesitate for a long time. In addition, as far as I know, conscripts were not involved in the liquidators, only "partisans" and civilian specialists.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Sea Cat

... In addition, as far as I know, conscripts were not involved in the liquidators, only "partisans" and civilian specialists.

Here is the link to the site ...
https://союз-чернобыль.рф/2012-11-07-17-54-58 там приведён список частей и организаций принимавших участие в ликвидации последствий Чернобыля.
I don't think there were no conscripts there.

Quote: Sea Cat

I'm not offended, but your example about a boy at 18-19 is not very good. This kid had his own family, had children? And I had. ...

I just remembered a plot from Komsomolsk 2000, a story if you want ...
The officer orders the conscripts to attack, while he himself remains in place - and explains this by the fact that "I have a family, children, but you do not ..."
Not about you personally, a conversation, just general reasoning ...
I also remembered a story about a warrant officer during the 1st Chechen ...
The wife says to the warrant officer, who is going on another business trip -
-Why are you going there again ??? - Your children will remain orphans at home ...
-You will raise my children - My WIFE ... And there the boys are still children and they THERE have no one but Me.
A story about a real Ensign (it will take a long time to look for the name without specific references) - The Ensign died, the first to notice the ambush on the road, ONE died - the rest survived ...
Regards

[Catfish]

War is war, and what happened in Chernobyl has nothing to do with war. But still, if we talk about me, at that moment no one really knew anything about the catastrophe, and when the people were recruited into "partisans" no one had any idea where they would be sent, they did not explain anything to anyone in advance. If you lived at that time, then you yourself should know how such things were done. And I myself found out that I was shining, about a couple of years after the accident, Sergei called, said that he had received a major, and he was transferred to another duty station. I dropped in to him and there, for a bottle, he told me everything, and at the same time handed me my personal file with the words: "Here you go, now you don't exist for the army at all." True, I was already over forty then.
PS You can, of course, teach the lives of other people, but you need to have the right to do so.

[Korsar4]

“And, on the contrary, I am Georges. That bandit is just my namesake ”(c).

[Catfish]

"- So after all, Ivo Schenkenberg is a bandit!
- Who? Ivo? !!! ... Yes, he is a bandit. "(C)

[flicker]

You read the news about the conflict between Palestine and Israel, you get a picture in which Israel is all blazing from hundreds of Palestinian missiles (handicraft, if anything), the mayor of the Israeli city reports that the city is under the rule of the Arabs, demands to introduce an army, etc., etc., Israel, through Netanyahu's mouth, responds with all the might of the army ... only the Palestinians are not leading away from all this power of the Israeli army.
---
It seems more and more that Netanyahu has muddied all this crap in order to keep the prime minister's post.

[Krasnodar]

For a long time, Palestinian missiles are Iranian Fagers, Chinese and North Korean Katyushas / Grads, more serious things, as well as quite tolerable rockets put into industrial production)).
If Israel responded with the full might of the army, there would be nothing left of Gaza

[MMX]

Quote: Krasnodar

For a long time, Palestinian missiles are Iranian Fagers, Chinese and North Korean Katyushas / Grads, more serious things, as well as quite tolerable rockets put into industrial production)).
If Israel responded with the full might of the army, there would be nothing left of Gaza

Missiles costing one donkey, against the "Dome" missiles costing the entire Gaza Strip ... If this goes on, it will be cheaper to conduct a ground operation. + save the Dome's reputation.

[Krasnodar]

Dome has a good reputation, just any missile defense and air defense system can be pushed through with the amount of ammunition on the attacking side. Cost - The GDPs of Israel and Gaza are also incompatible, not to mention financial reserves and access to global credit.
The ground operation needs to be well prepared - it will be carried out mainly by conscripts, absolutely everyone serves in the army, including the children of oligarchs and ministers, so they will try to plan very well the big losses inevitable in a war in a built-up area

[Moskovit]

It is still unclear why the shelling began so suddenly and so massively. How many times were Arabs evicted from different premises and how many times there were clashes on the temple mount. But this is not a reason to launch thousands of missiles. Something deeper.

[Krasnodar]

Several factors:
a) It's not just at home there. They are redeemed from the Arabs for a lot of money, much higher than the market value, after the transactions are completed, the seller is provided with permanent residence / citizenship in the territory of some very remote country, such as some kind of islands. Palestinians kill for this ..
There were tenants who refused to move out, supported in this by the PA authorities - for them a matter of principle. The judicial burden of eviction was dragged on for 10 years, the last refusal from the appeal just fell on these days.
2) Abu Mazen knows that he will not take these elections in the Palestinian Authority - why not inflate the kipish by extending it to El Aksu, also in Ramadan - his popularity will be raised by all-round support for anti-Israeli activities.
3) Hamas - well, since there is such a booze, we will show who the real fighter for the cause of freedom of Palestine is, certainly not some Abu Mazen, especially before the elections.
4) Natanyahu - could extinguish passions for eviction and other things. But he also went into confrontation - he did not manage to assemble the government (coalition), it was dumb to go to early elections, if he loses, his imprisonment is guaranteed.
So it went - it went.

[Moskovit]

It is logical. This mess is needed by both panamas ... and the forelocks are cracking in ordinary people ...

[igor67]

Quote: Moskovit

It is still unclear why the shelling began so suddenly and so massively. How many times were Arabs evicted from different premises and how many times there were clashes on the temple mount. But this is not a reason to launch thousands of missiles. Something deeper.

Qatar donated another $ 10 million a week ago

[MMX]

As far as I understand, the Dome was created with the help of the Americans to repel mass targets (inexpensive, uncontrollable).
Obviously, while maintaining a high intensity of shelling with penny NURSs, the Dome will eventually "fizzle out" and make a decent hole in the budget of an already not rich country. Perhaps this is the calculation of the enemy.

[Revolver]

Quote: Krasnodar

If Israel responded with the full might of the army, there would be nothing left of Gaza

But the "progressive world community" and their own Israeli leftists will scream that this is not politically correct.

[Krasnodar]

Naturally - two million people live there, one of the most densely populated areas in the world.

[moscowp]

This crap will last forever. As we can see in other examples, territorial conflicts can last for centuries, and Israel does not suffer from excessive peacefulness towards its neighbors.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: flicker

You read the news about the conflict between Palestine and Israel, you get a picture in which Israel is all blazing from hundreds of Palestinian missiles (handicraft, if anything), the mayor of the Israeli city reports that the city is under the rule of the Arabs, demands to introduce an army, etc., etc., Israel, through Netanyahu's mouth, responds with all the might of the army ... only the Palestinians are not leading away from all this power of the Israeli army.
---
It seems more and more that Netanyahu has muddied all this crap in order to keep the prime minister's post.

What is handicraft production? Rockets for "Katyusha" dplpli handicraft?
In general, T / But this was fired upon.

[Shahno]

Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu

I always condemn Israel's policy in the BV. But I also cannot but condemn the actions of Hamas aimed at shelling "the squares". Wouldn't it be better to fire at military targets?

If Hamas had more modern means of influence, then this conflict would not have been at all, and so they answer with whatever they can. In addition, Israel itself responds with missile and bomb strikes on Gaza, destroying both large multi-storey buildings and small houses, police buildings and other infrastructure, where, according to Israel's statements, the leaders of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad may or may not be hiding.

Buildings are a financial investment of someone who is still alive ..
He won’t understand six hints, and then God will judge ..

[Shahno]

Quote: Krasnodar

For a long time, Palestinian missiles are Iranian Fagers, Chinese and North Korean Katyushas / Grads, more serious things, as well as quite tolerable rockets put into industrial production)).
If Israel responded with the full might of the army, there would be nothing left of Gaza

I call it Jericho Syndrome ...
And the one who was never able to come down and enter Canaan.

[Krasnodar]

Well, I couldn't give the order to demolish Gaza

[Pytnik]

Quote: Divers

During the evacuation, mortar fire was opened on the medics.

Everything is correct and it turned out to be another 300th

[xorek]

tanks are being transferred to areas from which they subsequently fire on Gaza.

All the same, they decided on a ground military operation ..? Well, in general, the only correct decision here is to stop the shelling .. The Hamazians have buried themselves in the ground and have been preparing for this for a long time .. I got Israel for cabbage soup and deservedly, for my ambition .. They will overwhelm a bunch of Arabians again, everything will calm down for a while .. And then again ... And about negotiations, even no one stutters, alas .. And with this we should try to start.

[Babermetis]

Quote: xorek

tanks are being transferred to areas from which they subsequently fire on Gaza.

All the same, they decided on a ground military operation ..? Well, in general, the only correct decision here is to stop the shelling .. The Hamazians have buried themselves in the ground and have been preparing for this for a long time .. I got Israel for cabbage soup and deservedly, for my ambition .. They will overwhelm a bunch of Arabians again, everything will calm down for a while .. And then again ... And about negotiations, even no one stutters, alas .. And with this we should try to start.

There is nothing to talk about. The members of the forum have been saying for many years in a row that "in BV they only understand force." Israel and Hamas can talk, according to the restrictions of the same Hamas, about: the humanitarian state of the "Gaza Strip", made up of cities from south to north: Rafah, Khanyunes, Gaza. And their rural surroundings. How and what it is possible and impossible to conduct hostilities against each other (for example, Hamas: "we are not shooting in the direction of Dimona, you are not touching our military command. You are not touching our political leadership sitting in Turkey, we are not shooting at Jerusalem. You are not Limit fishing in the Mediterranean Sea, we do not shoot at the Gas rigs in the sea and at the refinery in Ashkelon, etc. etc. in the same spirit.

In the Gaza Strip, since 2005, all children from the age of 3 have been taught that it is their religious and national duty to fight Israel. And to fight with Israel is to mercilessly kill all living things related to, first of all, Judaism.
Hamas, at the head of the Gaza Strip, is waging a Jihad against the state of Israel. As at one time the Majahideen of Avganistan led against the USSR.

[xorek]

Quote: Babermetis

(for example Hamas: "we do not shoot in the direction of Dimona, you do not touch our military command. You do not touch our political leadership sitting in Turkey, we do not shoot at Jerusalem. You do not limit fishing in the Mediterranean Sea, we do not shoot at Gas rigs in the sea and at the refinery in Ashkelon, etc. in the same spirit.

Well, at least this way Israel tried to talk .. But no, now they have started to wet it, and they will begin to iron it with tanks. And a new Jihad, etc.

Quote: Babermetis

As in due time the Majahideen of Avganistan led against the USSR.

Well, then the United States and the same Israel tried .. We at least tried to build and train there in Afghanistan .. Unlike all these "warriors" who simply destroyed the population by methodically liberating the territory ..

[Krasnodar]

Oh ... we tried it more than once, and they built it in Gaza and it’s all in vain.

[xorek]

Quote: Krasnodar

Oh ... we tried it more than once, and they built it in Gaza and it’s all in vain.

Maybe they did, but as for the monkeys a new aviary .. Is that so?

[Krasnodar]

No - a modern medical center, clinics, etc.

[monster]

fact, these (that those that others) will still bring the matter to the third world!

[And Us Rat]

More relevant than ever:

[xorek]

Quote: And Us Rat

More relevant than ever:

Not hooked, even worse sorry for you .. And by religion, Jesus was not a Jew, but the son of God And there is nothing to invent and turn over. And here is Judas, but he was a Jew. Feel the difference?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: xorek

And here is Judas, yes he was a Jew

Like the other 11 apostles. Yeshua ha-Nozri, was the son of a Jewish woman Miriam from the tribe of Levi, who comes from the House of King David. So yes, Vitalik, Yeshua was circumcised, 120% kosher Jew. And he was brought up in Jewish traditions (in the family of the Jew Joseph, he could not get any other upbringing).
Remember Vital, I am always there and ready to expose your sins.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: And Us Rat

Yeshua ha-Nozri, was the son of a Jewish woman Miriam from the tribe of Levi, who comes from the House of King David. So yes, Vitalik, Yeshua was circumcised, 120% kosher Jew. And he was brought up in Jewish traditions (in the family of the Jew Joseph, he could not get any other upbringing).

- By the way, about the goyim - are you, the Jews, really screwed up, is it better for you?
- Well, brother, they are not the best, they are the only ones, and the rest must serve them. But one puncture came out - Christ was crucified ?!
- They themselves gave birth, they themselves and crucified! This is our purely Jewish showdown, the goyim cannot understand.
- What, you write down my Christ as Jews ?!
- What do you think, if dad is Jewish, mom is Jewish, then the baby is Russian?
- Dad has a dove!

Quote: xorek

Why did you run away from Egypt (the gold of the pharaohs was never found)))) and ran in the desert for 40 years (until they forgot about you)))))

So them, Vitaly!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: LiSiCyn

By the way, about the goyim

You can discuss this on the Talmud study forums with religious fanatics.
And in the eyes of ordinary Israelis, such topics are as ridiculous as discussing drunken bears in earflaps walking around Moscow with a balalaika. This is deep ignorance and militant ignorance.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: And Us Rat

You can discuss this on the Talmud study forums with religious fanatics.

Did I discuss this with you ???

Quote: And Us Rat

This is deep ignorance and militant ignorance.

Calm down.

Quote: LiSiCyn

- Dad has a dove!

c / f Shirley - Myrli.
This, if you do not know ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Did I discuss this with you?

This is a public platform, so anyone has the right to express their opinion about what you post to the public. There is a PM for private communication.

Quote: LiSiCyn

Calm down.

Quote: LiSiCyn

c / f Shirley - Myrli

I am not a fan of Soviet cinema of this format.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: And Us Rat

I am not a fan of Soviet cinema of this format.

Are you a fan of Russian cinema in the Brigade format?

Quote: And Us Rat

There is a PM for private communication.

If I, threw it to you in a personal, you would not understand me at all ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: LiSiCyn

You are a fan of Russian cinema in the "Brigades" format

I am not a fan of soap operas and "ladies'" movies. I love films that make you think. And "Brigade" is just good at memes.

Quote: LiSiCyn

If I, threw it to you in a personal, you would not understand me at all ...

I didn’t say that I didn’t understand something, rather didn’t take it as appropriate, which I voiced.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: LiSiCyn

By the way, about the goyim

You can discuss this on the Talmud study forums with religious fanatics.
And in the eyes of ordinary Israelis, such topics are as ridiculous as discussing drunken bears in earflaps walking around Moscow with a balalaika. This is deep ignorance and militant ignorance.

Iconic Russian comedy with catch phrases

[Krasnodar]

Quote: xorek

Quote: And Us Rat

More relevant than ever:

Not hooked, even worse sorry for you .. And by religion, Jesus was not a Jew, but the son of God And there is nothing to invent and turn over. And here is Judas, but he was a Jew. Feel the difference?

Eh ..
If Jesus was not a Jew, was he not from the lineage of David?
If he was not from the lineage of David, then - can not become the Messiah?
If he is not the Messiah, do you deny Christianity?
I did not expect this from you, Vitaly

[xorek]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: xorek

Quote: And Us Rat

More relevant than ever:

Not hooked, even worse sorry for you .. And by religion, Jesus was not a Jew, but the son of God And there is nothing to invent and turn over. And here is Judas, but he was a Jew. Feel the difference?

Eh ..
If Jesus was not a Jew, was he not from the lineage of David?
If he was not from the lineage of David, then - can not become the Messiah?
If he is not the Messiah, do you deny Christianity?
I did not expect this from you, Vitaly

You are a lot of chattering Jews, it's not for nothing that all the media are crammed with you
Why did you run away from Egypt (the gold of the pharaohs was never found)))) and ran in the desert for 40 years (until they forgot about you)))))
And you all run, you can't even create your own normal state, you all fight destroying everything around you .. You are braggart and, moreover, very cruel .. And you don't look like Saints !!!!! Judas, well, yes .. (no offense) But it's a fact !!

[Krasnodar]

Egypt is a case of 3 thousand years ago, the state "abnormal" two years ago overtook Japan in basic indicators of living standards, despite the war with everyone around and the lack of oil, coal and diamonds, and for one Judas there was Christ, Virgin Mary, eleven other apostles, but you did not answer the main question - does Vitaly believe that Jesus is the Messiah?

[Revolver]

Quote: xorek

Jesus was not a Jew

Maria was 100% Jewish, and Jewishness is passed down through her mother. Yes, and Joseph, the legal husband of Mary and also 100% Jewish, added to this ... well, let's say, genetic material, but the soul, yes, personally from God.
And most of the apostles, including Judas, were also Jews. And about the betrayal of Judas, everything is not so simple, there is a version that he did it reluctantly and on the direct order of Yeshua, so that he could fulfill his destiny.

[Shahno]

Paul was a Greek ... Apostle Paul ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Shahno

Paul was Greek ...

But he became Paul only by believing. He was originally called Saul, the Hellenized pronunciation of the Hebrew Shaul שאול.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апостол_Павел

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Shahno

Paul was a Greek ... Apostle Paul ...

Which Greek? Pharisee (former), Jew

[Pytnik]

Girls are pretty but dances, let's say so for an amateur

[xorek]

Quote: Pytnik

Girls are pretty but dances, let's say so for an amateur

But the TsKHAL is dancing! Old video, now they don't dance like that ..))
A sight for sore eyes just ..

Quote: And Us Rat

Remember Vital, I am always there and ready to expose your sins

Allah is with you, what kind of jihad are you going to arrange for me
I'm on girls

[Shahno]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: dauria

Stunned, is that all? Forgot the "free Ichkeria" of the 90s?

No, I haven't forgotten. But the comparison is not correct. The reasons for the conflict are completely different. "Behold at the root" - K. Prutkov.

By the way. What were the reasons for your conflict?

[Shahno]

Quote: xorek

Quote: And Us Rat

More relevant than ever:

Not hooked, even worse sorry for you .. And by religion, Jesus was not a Jew, but the son of God And there is nothing to invent and turn over. And here is Judas, but he was a Jew. Feel the difference?

What's the matter with you. Both Yeshua and Judah and others were citizens of Rome ..
Yeshua simply loved the teaching set forth by the righteous of the Torah ..
Who knows who his mom and dad were. I can give you a list of the tribes of the time of Herod ..

[Shahno]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: xorek

And here is Judas, yes he was a Jew

Like the other 11 apostles. Yeshua ha-Nozri, was the son of a Jewish woman Miriam from the tribe of Levi, who comes from the House of King David. So yes, Vitalik, Yeshua was circumcised, 120% kosher Jew. And he was brought up in Jewish traditions (in the family of the Jew Joseph, he could not get any other upbringing).
Remember Vital, I am always there and ready to expose your sins.

Well, why did you so at once .. Yes, Jewish traditions were the basis of the teaching ..
So ... Even if Yeshua was a descendant of a Moabite woman, this does not change the essence of the matter ..

[tralflot1832]

The Palestinians in the Eilat Ashkelon region managed to get their missiles into an oil pipeline and one of the oil storage facilities. Fire. Advertising "iron kumpol" in all its glory. Videos on the network are already present.

[Pytnik]

It was yesterday, you should have seen what is happening today, Ashkelon, - their iron dome cannot cope, there are many direct hits to houses, 2 direct hits in Sderot video in the Military Observer Telegram channel

[Pytnik]

Quote: Divers

The video on Military Observer is dated 2012. We have already published refutations

Yes, then the video is really 2012, telegrams Intelligence report video posted at 21.39 that's just the footage of today's strike from the ATGM

[tralflot1832]

This is called the overloading of the kumpol, the Palestinians must have been preparing for this. The Israelis didn’t bombard. We didn’t bother. No matter how Erdogan sent the Peace flotilla again.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: tralflot1832

the Palestinians must have been preparing for this

We were poorly prepared, exhausted in 24 hours, today's shooting is a pale shadow of yesterday's, pitiful flutters and agony. They were deflated shorter, like a leaky item # 2.

[tralflot1832]

They scold, now it's night.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: tralflot1832

They scold, now it's night.

Last night they fired, and actively and throughout the country, and today they were blown away. Pathetic bunches near the border. Apparently the army team is effectively weeding the barmaleev.

[Synoid]

Quote: Zaurbek

Just check out "Trophy"

Judging by the article, we have already checked it.
Now only with smoke disguise.

[Free Island]

The pseudo-state of Obrezail has long been time to fold, and the Jews have long been time to pack their suitcase and walk back to Egypt on foot for 40 years through the deserts

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Free Island

The pseudo-state of Obrezail is high time to fold

Begin, I'm for the popcorn.

[flicker]

What they just do not write.
An ATGM Kornet rocket tore off the Merkaveh tower that Hezbollah's vanguard had already infiltrated Haifa and were waiting for a signal that Israel was a mousetrap for the Jews, as Kissinger said about the fate of Israel.
And finally, that all this Netanyahu needs to keep his post.
And what to believe?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: flicker

Rocket ATGM Kornet tore off the Merkave tower

In fact, they got into a patrol jeep, 1 - 200, 2 - 300.

Quote: flicker

Hezbollah's vanguards have already infiltrated Haifa and are awaiting a signal

Yeah, right under the bushes they sit in the alleyways and in the trash cans.

Quote: flicker

that Israel is a mousetrap for the Jews

I don't even know how to comment on such nonsense.

Quote: flicker

And finally, that all this Netanyahu needs to keep his post.

This is closer to the truth, it was not he who started the bed, this is Abbas's creature, to divert attention from the dishonest cancellation of elections in the PA, but Bibi certainly uses the situation to his advantage.

Quote: flicker

And what to believe?

Common sense.

[GAndr]

Quote: borberd

We need to supply Spikes to Ukraine as a reciprocal alaverdy.

Is this what you want to put Jewish weapons?

well, well ... go ahead;)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: GAndr

Is this what you want to put Jewish weapons?

Well, you supply Russian weapons with these:

[amr]

Quote: bobba94

Read about the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988, in which about 1,7 million people were killed on both sides. The very ordinary war .... one of the many wars between Muslim countries. The Jews could not have dreamed of this even in the sweetest dreams .... Strange your comment, have you really been sitting in a cache for the last 20 years?

something tells me that Iran - Iraq fought, but Israel staged and organized the war, not just organized it, but also had my own gesheft ... I'm not talking about Jews, I'm talking about Zionism!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: amr

something tells me that Iran - Iraq fought, but Israel staged and organized the war, not just organized it, but also had my own gesheft ... I'm not talking about Jews, I'm talking about Zionism!

[opposite28]

The Israeli court is the most humane court in the world. Only the Israeli court has enough brains to evict Arab families from the Old City, and the result is impressive. Curious what Iran and other Arab countries that are not indifferent to Israelis will do

[And Us Rat]

Quote: oppozite28

Only an Israeli court has enough brains to evict Arab families from the Old City.

The law should be the same for everyone, the Israeli Arabs already have too many indulgences. They are used to it, so they become impudent.

Quote: oppozite28

It is curious what Iran and other Arab countries that are not indifferent to the Israelis will do.

What can they do? And who? Iran is far away, Syria is not, Lebanon is toothless, Hezbollah is afraid. The Sultan will not dare to disgrace himself. And there is no one else.
Today 3 missiles flew from Lebanon, sympathizers with Hamas tried to provoke a conflict between Israel and Hezbollah, so they were quickly found and knocked on a pumpkin by the Lebanese troops, and Hezbollah hastened to disown them, out of harm's way.
The rest support the "Palestinians" only in words, in fact, the "Palestinian question" has already really annoyed them. They eloquently make this clear at an informal level.

[opposite28]

Someone decided that it is possible to evict Arab families (!) By the decision of the Israeli court, by what right ?! Jewish ingenuity on the rules began to work perfectly, or the Israeli convolutions of hemorrhoids or indigestion ceased to be afraid, or maybe they "forgot" what conscience is, because for sure the Jewish Israelis (Jewish Israelis) understood that they were ruling the Arabs.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: oppozite28

by what right

According to the usual law, if a person rented a room and then decided not to pay the rent, then the owner of the room has the right to evict him. And belonging to nationalities does not exempt from responsibility!
The law is the same for all citizens of the country.

Quote: oppozite28

understood that the Arabs were ruling.

That is, we must allow them to break the laws and do whatever they want, so as not to provoke them ???

You, if you are talking nonsense, then at least reduce your aplomb.

[opposite28]

then the right of the owner of the premises to evict him. And belonging to nationalities does not exempt from responsibility!
The law is the same for all citizens of the country.

In the event that He gets angry, then MELA MASTA will be all, the star-studded heroes announced mobilization upon the decision of the "owner of the premises", but the OWNER of the HOUSE probably thinks differently and therefore one should not be surprised at the behavior of the opposing sides. "Israeli Jewish" or "Jewish Israelis" as well as "irreconcilable Arabs" have long forgotten what the word man means, especially with the support of such a glorious government as the United States, which gives some confidence in their infallibility and correctness (Israel), and to others whispers, pick up stones and use a sling. It would be better if they met in Spanish Madrid and discussed the pressing problems of the Israeli and Palestinian states, thereby saving lives.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: oppozite28

It would be better if we met in Spanish Madrid and discussed

The law cannot afford compromises on its implementation, this is the right path to corruption and degradation of social institutions of society.
This is what distinguishes developed countries from all oligarchs and banana republics; in a developed society, the law is not a subject of bargaining and is not subject to discussion. The law can only be changed by a meeting of deputies, through a vote and nothing else. And the decision of the judge can be canceled only by the judge of the highest instance, within the framework of the process regulated by the law.
Are these common truths so hard to understand?

[Shahno]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Shahno

Paul was a Greek ... Apostle Paul ...

Which Greek? Pharisee (former), Jew

I still believe its Greek origin .. There are reasons. I read something on my own head.
It would be better not to read ...

[Krasnodar]

Udmurt he, Udmurt)) At that time, the Greeks were not yet taken into the Pharisees, the tilka of the Udmurts and the Nenets