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When there were no agitators-propagandists: public relations of the 90s

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There were no propagandists, lecturers, many of whom died in our country after 1991. And such personalities remained in power? Yes? Yes! They have not left us anywhere! Shot from the movie "Carnival Night"


"We know that the new forces of society, in order to act properly, need only one thing: they must be mastered by new people, and these new people are workers."
(K. Marx.
Speech at the anniversary of "The People's Paper"
spoken in London on April 14, 1856 ")

Memories of the recent past. Today we publish the third article "about communist propagandists". Only now about how they acted after the collapse of the country and the abolition of the CPSU.

But before writing about this, I would like to draw attention to the layer of comments that I received on the two previous materials and share some, so to speak, observations. First of all, that I am very surprised how from the memory of some of our people everything bad is swept away by time, and only everything that is “free”, and therefore good, remains.

Commentary layer


But there are people who are honest and have a good memory. And here's a comment from one of them:

“I went to the comments. You are absolutely right. In the USSR, almost everyone who had at least something of value at hand stole. Before the army, I happened to work as a loader at a meat processing plant in the regional center. “Officially,” every working day, I and other employees of the plant openly carried in their hands packages wrapped in paper. The package could contain anything: meat, boiled pork, smoked sausage.
We, the movers, preferred peppercorns. In our area, it was sold by the piece by the pea. At the checkpoint, the packages were not opened, the guards weighed them on the arm, and very accurately caught up to 100 grams. If the package weighed no more than 1 kg, go quietly. In addition, good volumes of the stolen deficit were taken out of the plant by drivers who came to buy meat. They had hidden secrets in their cars, in which they hid scarce meat and smoked meats they received from us. The carriers paid half the price for the product, and we did not have to risk carrying out such volumes. Now imagine how many were stolen per day on a national scale. I, a loader, with an official salary of 150 rubles, went to and from work by taxi. And every other day I went with the young creatures to the tavern. "

However, there are people who look differently at everyday theft in the USSR:

“You can steal from someone. You cannot steal from yourself. The workers got the factories, the peasants got the land. The means of production have become their own. Workers dragged home tools and blanks, metal from factories, peasants stole grain and potatoes to feed livestock. But were they thieves? Not. They eliminated the shortcomings of the mechanism for the distribution of benefits and remuneration. "

Everything is just like in the novel by Robert Sheckley "A ticket to the planet Tranai" or in Moliere's "Tartuffe": "Whoever sins in silence, does not commit a sin!"

And here is a very interesting opinion of a woman. And it's amazingly wise:

“Perhaps the propagandists were the very last line of defense of socialism, that weak dam, which, having no tools to influence the policy of the top of the party, held back, as best as it could, the growing pressure of its opponents, both home-grown and foreign. But now - they could not, did not hold back, the pressure was too great. Life went on, they adapted to new conditions. Haven't we all adapted in accordance with the possibilities given to us by nature, that is, as best they could? Do we have a moral right to reproach these people? The propagandists did at least something, stood to the end, realizing that everything was in vain, that they had lost. We didn’t do anything. ”

I am glad that more and more people are aware of what happened and just like that, with a concept, and write:

“And you ask yourself a question, can the conditional leader of the conditional West, whatever you like, destroy his country? And why did it work in ours? Who created this system, in which the probability of destruction was equal to one hundred percent? Does the leader of the country decide everything? Does it all depend on the personality? This is the answer to the question of why the Soviet Union collapsed. And you say - Gorbachev is not mine. Yes, he is common, common. Do you, in general, remember the euphoria that happened in 1985, when he came to the throne? Yes! And by the way, if he is to blame all around, how did he end up in power at all? Where is the Politburo, where is party control, where is the almighty KGB? "


And here's what is strange: the goodies of "Carnival Night" see an obvious fool in front of them, understand that he is a fool, oppose him ... in an implicit form. But ... it is important to say that he is a fool and that he has no place in the bosses, for some reason they cannot. But they also do not want to leave their job in protest against his tyranny. So they are good, but completely ... unprincipled people. Evil is discussed only in their own, narrow circle!

The opinion of a person who worked in this "field" at the time:

“I am reading the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich, as if I were going back almost forty years ago. From 1984 to 1988, I was the Komsomol organizer of the shop and often replaced the Komsomol organizer of the plant. So I remember the whole stream of guidelines on agitprop that you described well. Soviet agitprop of the late USSR can be considered a model of the useless waste of enormous resources. "

And, by the way, a very good conclusion. At least put it in the article!

And this is criticism, or rather its level:

“For example, comparing the number of children born out of wedlock in the USSR and the USA, you deliberately omitted the reasons, and made the conclusion you need that the USSR is badly morally, worse than in the USA. Although this fact is not connected with morality. "

The answer question is: what is it connected with? Poor quality rubber product # 2? Well, this is also an indicator ... of the poor quality of the economy. Even the preziki and those we have, it turns out, were no good! But the answer of the same communist commentator simply struck me: "Our people were confident in the future, that the state would not leave them, well ..." They also "riveted" illegitimate children (this is my continuation). That is, cuckoo children thrown to the state is normal. But the Americans, yes, those illegitimate children were solely because of their immorality.

Be that as it may, whether someone likes it or not, we continue the topic.

Changes on the info front


And today the story will go just about what changes in the information space of Russia have occurred since 1991.

Indeed, tremendous changes have taken place: the universities of Marxism-Leninism have disappeared. Schools of agitators and propagandists, like themselves, also disappeared. There were no party organizers, scientific communists, historians of the CPSU. The Knowledge Society, politicized to the limit, also disappeared. No one else read lectures to the workers about the international situation and decaying capitalism. The slogans "People and Party", "Our Steering Party" disappeared overnight. However, life went on.

Although the society has become completely new. But ... the workers, about whom Karl Marx was so concerned, calling them a new force, did not at all rush to rule this new society and did not stand at its information feed. Because they could not do any of this! And they did not have the appropriate education. Well, those who were ordered from above to read about the "party - the organizing force of our society" were immediately ordered to think and act differently. And they started to act!

So, already on November 13, 1991, the Penza regional administration, number 159, adopted a resolution “On the Political Consultative Council, the Council of Entrepreneurs and the Economic Council” [1]. That is, she invited all interested parties to the dialogue. The decisions recorded the creation of her image through the media. For this, it was decided to create the official newspaper of the Penza region administration "Penzenskie Vesti" [2].

As before, citizens applied to the administration, including in person. But many preferred to write to the newspapers. And the administration took this into account!

Then, already on March 28, 1994, at a meeting of the board of the Penza region administration, a thematic plan of publications, radio and TV appearances for April-June 1994 was adopted. 24 topics were identified, on which its corresponding committee was required to prepare information and mass events. The newspapers Penzenskaya Pravda, World of People, Penza Vesti, Nasha Penza, the Penza regional television and radio center were involved. It was planned to conduct a live TV broadcast, a "Round Table" in the editorial office, feedback in the form of answers to questions from residents of Penza. At the same time, all newspapers, including regional, city and district press centers of the regional administration were supposed to submit statistical materials on the results of the quarter.

Let us name the following thematic blocks in providing information to the population: “Social protection of the population is the most important area of ​​activity of the regional administration”; “Protecting the peace of mind of citizens”, “Foreign economic activity of the regional administration”, “Problems of employment of the population and the ways of their social and legal protection” (the spelling of the last paragraph has been retained unchanged); "Social and political parties and movements in the region." Television meetings with the head of the regional administration were provided monthly [3].


These two clowns also see a fool in front of them. But they cannot tell him out loud that he is a fool. Rather, one wants something, but the other keeps him. What prevents from fundamentally "revealing the flaw" in the Bolshevik way?

A Public Relations and Environmental Monitoring Committee was also established. [4] As you can see, a body that would allow the administration to have a dialogue with the public appeared in the region only seven years after 1991. That is, the authorities gave up the imperative management system very slowly. But ... still, little by little she refused.

True, in the city such a body was created earlier - in 1996. Five people were supposed to work in it, whose task was constant feedback between the administration and the population: meetings, working with letters and appeals from citizens, searching in the press for responses to the speeches of the head of the city administration. Moreover, in fact, decisions on such work were adopted in 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996. But the committee responsible for this work was created only in 1996! That is, in the previous time, all this was done by some completely random "new" people.

Polls


The most interesting thing is that the analysis of citizens' appeals to the regional administration from 1985 to 2000 shows that they mainly concerned ... What do you think? That's right: housing and communal services problems. It was noted that by 1995 the number of repeated calls had decreased - from 18,6% to 6%. And every 12th visit had a positive result. Every 12th ... Such was the efficiency of working with them.

From 1991 to 2000, the leadership of the Penza region has repeatedly made decisions to improve the awareness of citizens. Actually, there are dozens of them. But the problem is not completely resolved even today - 20 years later.

In connection with the obvious need to increase (again increase; well, how much could it be increased? - VO) the political and legal culture of citizens during the elections in the Russian Federation, resolutions were adopted, which indicated the mandatory and timely dissemination of relevant materials in the media.

However, despite the abundance of information in the central and local media, during the Duma elections in the fall of 1999, the awareness of a significant number of citizens of the city of Penza was unsatisfactory. A survey of citizens on the streets of the city was conducted. The number of respondents is 400 people. A solid sample. It consisted of just one single question: "Name the electoral blocs and associations known to you that are going to take part in the elections to the Duma."

It turned out that none of the respondents, among whom were people aged 18 to 35, knew that the electoral bloc of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is called "For Victory!", Although the very name of the party was known to 40% of the respondents. The electoral bloc "Fatherland - All Russia" was not named by any of the respondents, although 25% did name "Fatherland". And 90% is the Yabloko block. The electoral bloc of V. Zhirinovsky was not precisely named. Many of the respondents wrote only the names of the leaders instead of the names.

Thus, a significant part of the population in the Penza region was clearly apolitical. It is safe to say that in rural areas the indicators of such a survey would be even more depressing.


Finally, why is the high-ranking "comrade Telegin" grinning, before whom the fool Ogurtsov curses and trembles? The one that sees a fool in front of him realizes that he is a fool, but ... for some reason he is in no hurry to remove him from this position! It also turns out ... "unprincipled comrade." And this, by the way, is 1956. That is, the principled Stalinist comrades, in theory, have not yet had time to corrupt themselves. Or were you in time? Or were they from the very beginning?

It was the same in the Saratov region.

10% of the respondents aged about 40 could not name a single electoral bloc or association at all. That is, all efforts to agitate and propagate parties and blocs at that time were generally ineffective. But it was not possible to "enlighten" very many people, despite all the efforts. But a lot of money went down for this. So, in 1997 in the Saratov region 500 million rubles were allocated for this [6]!

At the same time, the private Institute for Regional Policy in Penza conducted a study of the credibility of the source of information. And I got the following result:

1. Transmission of the Central Television - 47,66%;
2. Publication in a central newspaper - 45,79%;
3. Publication in a local newspaper - 26,17%;
4. Local television broadcasting - 25,23%;
5. Rumors passed by word of mouth - 21,5%;
6. Messages on Mayak radio - 7,48%;
7-8. Local radio messages - 3,27%;
9-10. Leaflet on a post or fence - 3,27% [7].

That is, even people believed in the authorities only half. And no wonder, after so many years of deception.

Another survey was conducted by students of the Penza University majoring in Public Relations. More than 600 people were interviewed. Bottom line: there is a "distrust of the majority of voters in the government as such" [8]. What conclusion can be drawn?

Conclusion


The conclusion is this: one of the leaders of the Slavophiles, Konstantin Sergeevich Aksakov, was right when he wrote that the majority of Russians, patriarchal in their mass, only express their opinion about power, but they do not want to rule by themselves, create some kind of their own institutions for this and are ready to entrust power over themselves any more or less legitimate ruler or even a daring impostor [9].

And since our society still consists of 80% of either peasants or peasants in the first or second generation, it would be strange to expect something more.

Russians are a society ruled from above. And it will change very, very soon.

Used Sources and Literature:

1. TDPPO (Current office work of the Government of the Penza region). Resolution of the head of the Penza administration No. 150 dated 13.11.91/XNUMX/XNUMX.
2. TDPPO. Resolution of the head of the Penza administration No. 4 dated 5.11.91. “About the newspaper“ Penzenskie Vesti ”.
3. TDPPO. Resolution of the head of the Penza administration No. 6 dated 28.03.94. "On the thematic plan of publications, radio and TV appearances for April-June 1994"
4. TDPPO. Resolution of the head of the Penza administration No. 581 of 22.09.98.
5. UOOPSO (Department of public relations under the government of the Saratov region. Current office work). Resolution of the Government of the Saratov Region No. 23-P of 15.04.97 "On legal education and upbringing of the population ..."
6. Ibid.
7. Manuilov V. "Compromising evidence discredits the authorities" // New exchange newspaper. 1999. No. 6. P. 3.
8. Shpakovskaya S.V. "Penza is coming out of the red belt" // Business Penza. 1999. No. 50 С.5
9. Quoted. Quoted from: Oleshchuk Yu. O. "On the Russian misanthropy" // Rubezhi. 1995. No. 4. P. 90–106.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 May 2021 05: 07
    +1
    Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich. For starters, I will thank you for the article. It is interesting to read and not abstruse, or something ... It is clear, in general.
    I myself have seen such agitators only once - I accidentally ended up in a club before the film. As a child. There was this "obligation" before the cinema. The lecturer was boring and the topic was something with world imperialism.
    For a child, it is not interesting at all, so I diligently did not get to these events anymore. But I heard enough political information. At school and in the army.
    And what is most interesting - and there it was felt that this talking shop was for the sake of form!
    Therefore, conversations "in the kitchen" were more interesting. Especially if people came "from abroad". From business trips or from distant relatives. In the 80s and 90s, they began to produce.
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 07: 24
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The lecturer was boring and the topic was something with world imperialism.

      That is why I loved most of all to read "Mysteries of Ancient Civilizations". She went with a bang!
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 14 May 2021 12: 47
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        "Mysteries of Ancient Civilizations". She went with a bang!
        The popular science film "Memories of the Future" became the first deep problematization of my youthful worldview.
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2021 16: 49
          +1
          I also liked him very much, and when he came out, I began to refer to him. But it is clear that he tried not to repeat its content.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 15 May 2021 13: 02
        +3
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, how can one explain the fact that sometimes the lecturers of the regional committee, according to the stories of their parents, even before perestroika told (to the collective of collective farm chairmen, state farm directors, school directors, production leaders, that is, to the district level asset) about what they did not write about in newspapers? For example, about our problems in Afghanistan, about disagreements with Romania and Yugoslavia, about the ineffectiveness of the work of a number of ministries, about Galina Brezhneva, etc. Sometimes they told something at the level of gossip. The father, the director of the state farm, came home after these meetings and the mother, the teacher, recounted what he had heard. And although I was a teenager, I was interested in politics and also listened to it with great curiosity.) During perestroika, it is understandable. But such liberties were already observed in 1982-1984. Was it arbitrariness or was the propagandist allowed such liberties in conversations with a selected audience?
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 14 May 2021 09: 25
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And what is most interesting - and there it was felt that this talking shop was for the sake of form!

      Moreover, BOTH parties knew it, both the lecturer and the lecturers. But everybody pretended what it was for something important must, however, no one could explain why. request

      They listened there about success and prosperity and .... ran into a long line with perky roll calls for what was "in abundance."

      Then these endless lies and hypocrisy were simply boring to hell, and the authorities did not believe even when she was telling the truth.
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Therefore, conversations "in the kitchen" were more interesting. Especially if people came "from abroad". From business trips or from distant relatives. In the 80s and 90s, they began to produce

      even in the 70s we had exhibitions in our city organized by the USA: " Agriculture in the USA "and" Hunting and Fishing in the USA"-with cinema, equipment, samples, with guides, free booklets, magazines, badges. They were almost dared, walked twice, looked, felt, asked and -all compared.

      Vyacheslav Olegovich writes about fiery agitators in Russia, and there was a huge detachment of them in national republics.

      What they wrote BEFORE:
      “... After you have passed valleys and mountains, seas and lands, you will come to the gates of the city ... This is Moscow - the capital of our Motherland. Here, in the center of Moscow, you will see the mausoleum of the most humane person on the planet - V. I. Lenin ... "

      And here's what-AFTER:
      from mixed marriages with Russians, bandits and prostitutes are born.

      “According to unofficial but reliable data, 60% of mentally ill people come from mixed families, 70% of criminals have parents of different nationalities, religions or races, 80% of prostitutes and more than 50% of politicians of the ruling party are born from mixed marriages. And not a single genius.

      Children born in mixed marriages are mediocre individuals at best, but usually disabled, criminals, and losers. Children raised in mixed families are notoriously insecure, predisposed to mental disorders, crimes and prostitution ",

      it all belongs to the author of the dirt ("Rusoaicele" - "Russian women") dabige, he is a member of the CPSU, secretary of the Central Committee of the Komsomol of Moldova, laureate of all kinds of conscience prizes, letters of the Central Committee of the Komsomol and the CPSU.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 10: 24
        +6
        dabige, he is a member of the CPSU, secretary of the Central Committee of the Komsomol of Moldova, laureate of all kinds of conscience prizes, letters of the Central Committee of the Komsomol and the CPSU.

        Andrey, good morning! This is a non-animal "dabige" - which is Nikolai Trofimovich?
        This is about him, "Vika" writes: "In 1990-1994 and 1998-2001, he was a member of the Parliament of the Republic of Moldova. In 1989-1991 he was a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR."?
        And at the same time, a bunch of orders, but a good half - for some reason, Romanian?
        In 1975-82 he was the secretary of the Komsomol organization of the JV of the MSSR, at the 1978th Congress of the Komsomol he was elected a member of the Central Committee of the Komsomol, since XNUMX a member of the CPSU, was awarded prizes and certificates of honor of the Komsomol and Komsomol, was a deputy of the Chisinau Council of People's Deputies, deputy chairman of the Moldovan branch of the Society of Soviet Vietnamese friendship, member of the Presidium of the Moldovan Committee of the Soviet Cultural Foundation, etc.

        Careerist ... without principles ...
        During the Soviet period, he was an activist of the CPSU, but simultaneously with the collapse of the USSR, he changed his views, becoming one of the founders of the nationalist movement of the Republic of Moldova. He became famous for a series of racist publications "Rusoaicele" - "Russian women", in which he tried to prove the inferiority of mixed marriages from the standpoint of open national intolerance.
        By the way, he died recently. Exactly what died...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 14 May 2021 11: 57
          +6
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          Careerist ... without principles ...
          During the Soviet period, he was an activist of the CPSU, but simultaneously with the collapse of the USSR, he changed his views, becoming one of the founders of the nationalist movement of the Republic of Moldova. He became famous for a series of racist publications "Rusoaicele" - "Russian women", in which he tried to prove the inferiority of mixed marriages from the standpoint of open national intolerance.

          Hmmm, another Russophobe, a former activist of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
          I recall Dalia Grybauskaite, who in Soviet times was not only an activist-propagandist, but a teacher of these propagandists - a teacher at the Vilnius Higher School of Art and the Moscow Academy of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the CPSU.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 11: 58
            +3
            Hmmm, another Russophobe, a former activist of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

            "National cadres" ...
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 14 May 2021 18: 05
            +6
            Hmmm, another Russophobe, a former activist of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

            In Ukraine, there is also a sample of such a creature - I. Farion.
        2. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 14 May 2021 21: 01
          +5
          Thank you very much for the information about the dead
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 14 May 2021 16: 02
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      ... And what is most interesting - and there it was felt that this talking shop was for formality!
      Therefore, conversations "in the kitchen" were more interesting. Especially if people came "from abroad". From business trips or from distant relatives. In the 80s and 90s, they began to produce.

      He was once the school's deputy committee for ideology, the chairman of the district Komsomol headquarters (until now, somewhere the letters of the district party committee and the city Komsomol committee are lying around). And if at the beginning he took this activity seriously, then by the end of the school he was really convinced that all this was just an imitation of life by a dead organization. A colossal waste of time and effort.
  2. Far B
    Far B 14 May 2021 05: 29
    +4
    In general, the conclusion is in the wrong steppe. The apoliticality of Russians in the late 90s stemmed from the fact that, after a violent outburst a decade earlier, they again decided that nifiga did not really depend on them (this was strongly influenced by the results of the 96 elections, which Zu actually leaked, and Lebed literally dragged Boris Piany for the second term). Therefore, the population was not particularly buzzing, but was engaged in solving everyday issues. Nevertheless, people were engaged in politics: they voted in the elections based on what they saw around. And they saw a complete nightmare. And the election results fully reflected such a vote - in the second half of the 90s, neither the Civic Platform, nor DemVybor, nor any other liberalized rag-tag were of any serious magnitude in the State Duma. However, it should be noted here that Yeltsin was so constantly ostogrammed that he did not care about the press, and even the central channels then could carry whatever they wanted. And they did not spare Yeltsin. There is no need to talk about provincial newspapers and television at all - only those of them that ate directly from the state feeder remained pro-government. The rest were in opposition from different sides, thus shaping public opinion.
    It is for this reason that the new tsar-father was one of his first deeds to twist the heads of too headstrong media moguls and crush the press under him. For nefig. And then, to the heap, I worked with the election commission, so that they learned mathematics in the right direction. And now, after 20 years of such a system, the people have really become apolitical.
    So Mr. Aksakov was not a damn right: the Russian peasant knows how to express his opinion about power, and he can do it if he finds himself in this power. The period of the 20s-70s of the last century fully proves this. And the results of the BOB also seem to speak for themselves. But if Mr. Aksakov were to be allowed to power - here I strongly doubt that he would have been able to demonstrate anything other than the ability to flexibly speak the language.
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 06: 53
      -3
      Quote: Dalny V
      if it turns out to be in this very power.

      If it turns out, then yes. In the existing one. And we are talking about the institutions created by the people themselves. Is it really not clear I wrote? If so, sorry.
      1. Far B
        Far B 14 May 2021 08: 41
        +5
        And why are you dissatisfied with the institutions that were created by the people after the 17th? Those that did not last long - only 70 years? (By the way, in fact, much longer - many of these institutions are still operating now, somewhere renamed and slightly reformatted, and some are not at all, they are even called councils of deputies; only there is no one left of the people there, so we can observe the current natural situation - ilita gushes with creatives). And how long did the institutions created by the French people last there after the French Revolution? And the British - after the English? So what kind of people does not want and are not ready to rule, eh?
        P.S. Your habit of looking down on people is simply amazing.
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2021 16: 55
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          Your habit of looking down on people is simply amazing.

          I drove them many times, I know how easy and simple it is. Therefore ... I cannot rate highly.
          What Pushkin wrote: But you know yourself: senseless rabble
          Changeable, rebellious, superstitious,
          Easily empty hope betrayed,
          To instant suggestion is obedient,
          For the truth is deaf and indifferent,
          And she feeds on fables.
          Very little has changed. Even here at VO. Although the% of knowledgeable and thinking people here is higher than the average.
          1. Far B
            Far B 15 May 2021 02: 35
            +2
            Therefore ... I cannot rate highly
            The British have such a good anecdote about:
            "A conversation between two gentlemen in a prestigious club:
            “You know, it seems to me that Sir Henry has gone overboard with his snobbery lately.
            - Yes? And how is this expressed?
            - Now he already refuses to get into the same car with his driver! "
    2. kalibr
      14 May 2021 07: 12
      -8
      Quote: Dalny V
      It is for this reason that the new tsar-father was one of his first deeds to twist the heads of too headstrong media moguls and crush the press under him. For nefig.

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    3. tatra
      tatra 14 May 2021 09: 41
      -1
      Stop blaming Zyuganov for "leaking" the 1996 elections. Do you seriously think that the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR / Russia, even in 1996, even now, are capable of giving Russia back to the communists and their supporters through elections?
      1. Far B
        Far B 14 May 2021 09: 52
        +4
        I do not count and did not count. Ilyich also said that the bourgeoisie would not voluntarily surrender power, vote, do not vote, and he was right. But Zu had a real chance in 96 to bring people to the streets and bloodlessly sweep the Yeltsinoid ghouls off the political scene. The people were ready for this - in five years they had swallowed wild boiling water up to the tonsils. The most stubborn, but extremely few "democrats" actually packed their suitcases (I personally knew two of them), fearing a "red revenge. But Zyuganov was stupidly afraid to take the responsibility of the leader, he was afraid to take people out into the street. He often spoke about this in numerous interviews. However, he presented this with his own benefit: “We saved the country from a lot of blood, from civil war,” and so on in the same spirit. Zyuganov is a typical Menshevik compromiser, I say this as a commune in the third generation. But Zyuganov - is not the embodiment of the teachings of Marx-Lenin, thank God, and, I hope, will soon be overthrown from the political horizon.
        1. tatra
          tatra 14 May 2021 10: 08
          +2
          Back in October 1993, the enemies of the communists, having staged a bloody massacre in the center of Moscow, proved that they were ready to flood the country with blood, but they would give Russia to anyone.
          1. Far B
            Far B 14 May 2021 10: 14
            +7
            In 93, many were still for Yeltsin. There was also a fairy tale about free trade and imminent happiness for the enterprising and courageous. But since then two and a half years have passed, and as of March 96, the drunken Bori had a rating in the region (EMNIP) of 5 percent. So don’t about "blood on the 96th". By this time, many eyes had already opened up, as they used to say in the movie "Election Day". Those who, in 93, still drowned for "the market that will rule itself," in 96, Yeltsin and the Yeltsinates were already fiercely hated.
            1. tatra
              tatra 14 May 2021 10: 29
              -1
              Well, what does it change in the fact that Yeltsin and the liberals would never have given Russia back to the communists through elections? Now the rating of the authorities is very low, but it still will not give Russia to the communists, even though 100% will vote for them.
              1. Far B
                Far B 14 May 2021 10: 33
                +3
                Damn, where did I say "by elections" ??? I said - there was a chance to really bring people out into the street, peacefully, albeit by force, to return the socialist system! But Szyu, in the best traditions of Menshevism and compromise, was afraid to do it! I was afraid to transfer the initiative into the hands of the people! Do you even read what your opponent writes to you. That's it, I stop the dialogue.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 14 May 2021 10: 45
                  -4
                  What are you constantly hinting at? The fact that Zyuganov, the communists and their supporters, had to resist the enemies of the communists who had an army and all the repressive organs? And for all the communists and their supporters killed by the enemies of the communists, who would take the blame? Are you?
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 14 May 2021 12: 55
                    +6
                    Quote: tatra
                    What are you constantly hinting at? The fact that Zyuganov, the communists and their supporters, had to resist the enemies of the communists who had an army and all the repressive organs? And for all the communists and their supporters killed by the enemies of the communists, who would take the blame? Are you?
                    Yes, you are not a Leninist, you are not a Leninist ...
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 May 2021 13: 07
                    +8
                    ... for all the communists killed by the enemies of the communists ...


                    Zvizdets! This must be tapped on the keyboard! Zhvanetsky and Petrosyanka are resting. laughing
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 13: 12
                      +6
                      Zvizdets! This must be tapped on the keyboard! Zhvanetsky and Petrosyanka are resting.

                      I'm confused with the communists ... belay Give someone a thread 150 gr! wassat
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 May 2021 13: 19
                        +3
                        Take the abacus in hand. laughing

                        Kolya, hi! drinks
                      2. Richard
                        Richard 14 May 2021 21: 50
                        +5
                        I'm entangled in the communists ... Give someone a thread of 150 grams!

                        Why should they be confused? Everything is simple and clear here.
                        There are members of the forum who adhere to the communist ideology. A striking example is the same colleague Far V (Mikhail)... I’m not saying whether this is good or bad, this is exclusively his personal worldview.
                        And there is a hype bot, from comment to comment repeating like mantras the same pseudo "communist" spells, created to troll and discredit the communist ideology.
                        It seems that Mikhail himself was finally convinced of this:
                        Dalny V (Mikhail): Do you even read what your opponent writes to you. That's it, I stop the dialogue.

                        The creation of such bots, allowing to increase the organic reach of comments on the Internet audience by several dozen people, is described in all textbooks on website promotion with comments. Another way to stimulate activity and promote your site with comments is with the Top Commenters widget. It can be added to WordPress using the “Top Commentators Widget” plugin. hi
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 18: 08
                      +3
                      Greetings, Constantine!
                      Tatra is a treasure trove of dialectics and discourse. The flag of the class struggle, the portrait of Zyuganov and the reincarnation of Yezhov at the same time
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      ... for all the communists killed by the enemies of the communists ...


                      Zvizdets! This must be tapped on the keyboard! Zhvanetsky and Petrosyanka are resting. laughing
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 May 2021 18: 15
                        +5
                        Tatra is a treasure trove of dialectics and discourse.


                        Tribune, I'm not afraid of this word! fellow


                        Good evening, Albert! hi
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 May 2021 13: 16
                    +6
                    What are you constantly hinting at? The fact that Zyuganov, the communists and their supporters, had to resist the enemies of the communists who had an army and all the repressive organs?

                    In 1917, the people were decisive, the army was also in power, and "all the repressive organs". And in general, at that time, everyone had all sorts of organs.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 14 May 2021 18: 14
                      +7
                      Hi Uncle Kostya!
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 May 2021 18: 19
                        +3
                        Hello Anton! hi
                        Dream, dream ...

                        Tatra still cannot master the command: "Rrota! Get up!"
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 14 May 2021 19: 46
                        +1
                        ++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Seem to be!!!!!!! laughing laughing laughing
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 14 May 2021 13: 12
            +5
            Enemies of the Communists ...

            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 14 May 2021 13: 24
              +7
              The pressure bearer's lips are painted belay
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 14 May 2021 14: 06
                +6
                ... lips are painted


                And the shirt is red, red, in short, whatever one may say. laughing
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 14 May 2021 14: 09
                  +6
                  red, in short
                  With such a luxurious hairstyle, duck lips - not a fact No.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 May 2021 14: 43
                    +4
                    "There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our wise men never dreamed of." (C) wink
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 14 May 2021 18: 52
                +3
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                The pressure bearer's lips are painted belay

                And here he is, a fighter - a mischief for the cause of protecting communism from the enemies of communism fellow
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 14 May 2021 13: 08
        +3
        that the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR / Russia ...

        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 May 2021 18: 54
          +2
          Quote: Sea Cat
          that the enemies of the communists who seized the RSFSR / Russia ...


          So the Trotsky and Blanks tied him up and began to pour vodka into his mouth negative
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 14 May 2021 18: 57
            0
            So the Trotsky and Blanks tied him up and began to pour vodka into his mouth

            Expedition ... Oh, that is. The revolution!
            1. depressant
              depressant 14 May 2021 21: 54
              +3
              Well, they comforted, cheered me up wassat )))
              A gang of scoffers has arrived, greetings! good )))
              By the way, I don’t remember, however, in what year, and I don’t want to look, Yeltsin pushed through the production sharing law. Duma - imagine! - The Duma stood to death against the law, and Zyuganov supported Yeltsin. As a result, the law was passed, all production was left at the mercy of foreigners, and then Putin had to fight to death with the Duma, amending this law in 2004 so that at least something could fall to Russia. This is how he is, comrade Ziu.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 14 May 2021 22: 00
                -1
                Good evening, Luda. smile love
                Then Putin had to fight with mortal combat ...

                Well, he not only fights with Duma in this way. laughing
                1. depressant
                  depressant 14 May 2021 22: 17
                  +2
                  Well duck ...
                  He pushed the amendment - in whose interests? And those whose ammunition he scribbles. There the laws on households are like this - I read, I could not believe my eyes. As soon as the tax inspector enters the site, the householder will not get rid of the aggregate of legislative crimes with less than twenty thousand fine. Up to the buttercup next to the tomato bush.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 May 2021 22: 26
                    -1
                    Up to the buttercup next to the tomato bush.

                    Well, I don’t know, we haven’t had any problems with the buttercup yet, and there are no such rumors, but we have created problems for hunters - Mom don’t grieve, spit in any bush - you’ll get into the huntsman. And I'm not talking about rifled barrels at all, you can't take it out of the house - they'll get it right in a moment. Idiocy grows stronger with each new law. And as soon as the spring bursts, no decrees will help, they have only one way out - to catch the last plane to the Canary Islands.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 14 May 2021 23: 25
                      +1
                      Surprisingly, it seems that the foresters were cut, so much so that forests everywhere burn with impunity. But, according to you, no, they didn’t cut it. It turns out that they were concentrated near the places of residence of the population, believing the latter to be oaks and aspens. So that, while walking, remove dead wood, cut off excess branches. Nu-nu ... And in our village they made an emergency station in one basement with a dozen idlers and without any equipment. I suppose to keep track of the population as an easily flammable object. Unobtrusive spies.
                      As for the large ones, they will have time for their Canaries. Because it's already there. And then the managers. Palaces and mansions, according to realtors on the Internet, went on wide sale. They will return after the elections. We will never get rid of them.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 May 2021 23: 27
                        +1
                        Everything is as usual, we will get rid of some, others will sit on the neck. Those who will be in time for the sale before everyone else.
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 15 May 2021 20: 05
                        +1
                        Kostya, pay attention to the draft law on the evacuation of the population in case of an emergency. There, and GOSTs are introduced for the transportation of people. The Duma is now working on this law, the results look ominous, the law is going to be passed on June 1. Darkness.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 15 May 2021 20: 09
                        +1
                        Such laws have been adopted before, and in the Duma, idlers need to somehow justify their existence. Although, in one thing you are right, there is a systematic "tightening of the nuts" ... until the next breakdown of the "thread". History teaches nothing ...
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 14 May 2021 05: 37
    +7
    Russians are a society ruled from above. And it will change very, very soon

    We are not alone in this, we all saw how the elections for Democrats in the United States went.
    Well, about trusting the authorities ... smile After the 90s, I have no confidence in the authorities at all ... in principle.
    And now the tightening of the screws by the authorities on all fronts only reinforces this distrust ... they will be robbed.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 09: 48
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      After the 90s, I have no confidence in the authorities at all ... in principle.

      You just matured, apparently ... smile
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 11: 12
        +9
        You just matured, apparently ...

        Colleagues, I appeal to all the participants in the discussion - I propose to discuss constructively, and not to throw minuses at each other! drinks Although this has already become a tradition, unfortunately ... negative
        “Officially,” every working day, I and other employees of the plant openly carried in their hands packages wrapped in paper. The package could contain anything: meat, boiled pork, smoked sausage.

        I took this comment from the article in order to provide a small remark. So, I bought a week and a half ago a book by Novgorod ethnographers about Count Arakcheev and his Gruzino estate. Perhaps I will also share the materials with you.
        What was the value of the Bolsheviks in 1918? All the estates that were not burned by the "revolutionary masses" in 1917, they quickly took under protection, in order to use them later for popular purposes - for hospitals, sanatoriums, rest homes and other charitable institutions. Unfortunately, the raging (read "thieving") masses managed to burn a lot ... Offhand, from where they visited, the dacha of Admiral Mordvinov, a humanist and ideological inspirer of the Decembrists, was lost, and the Hannibals' estate - Petrovskoe - was rebuilt only in the 1970s years (built on the basis of photographs and drawings, EMNIP, or Svarog, or his colleagues), now there is a wonderful museum.
        But what the Bolsheviks managed to save - they saved. The "Luga Versailles" was preserved - the Rapti estate, built during the reign of A.A. Polovtsov - the founder of the Russian Historical Society. The OGPU sanatorium was located there, Pikul mentions it in his "I have the honor". The building itself was already destroyed by the Germans in 1944, retreating ...
        So, the luxurious estate of Count Arakcheev in Gruzino was also taken under protection. The museum was there before, but in Soviet times it was renamed something like "museum of everyday life", or something like that (there is no book in front of my eyes). As far as I understood, military units were quartered nearby.
        So, the authors of the book cite the following. Already in the 30s there are reports. Like, we removed all easily removable and easily unscrewed parts from buildings and structures. Local peyzans are pulling away! Like that Chekhovian intruder, only, apparently, not for use as a sinker, but for scrap metal.
        The estate was destroyed by the war.
        But after the war (of course, it was a hungry time), the locals also searched the ruins for everything that was bad, and also dragged it to the scrap! A bust of Paul (it seems, this one) from the estate garden was found in a "salvage" stall in 1949!
        And, my friends, it was under Stalin! When, it seems, it was possible to "grasp strictly" for such a thing!

        But the cast-iron lions in Gruzino have survived strikingly, and now they adorn the entrance to the Novgorod Museum.



        In general, colleagues ... Theft and taking away are different ... But sometimes we can lose the historical heritage! Respectfully all hi
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 11: 41
          +4
          Respectfully to all

          Eh ... I wrote a comment to immediately stick a minus ... Is there any point in discussing? ...
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 11: 57
            +8
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            Does it make sense to debate?

            There is. You will hardly be able to convince your opponent of something, but a neutral reader, who may not be registered on the site, will appreciate it.
            And for cons, I recommend defecating. If at the same time you touch the minusator itself - do not be sad, it should be so.
            And if you feel really sick, look at your rating. Not everything, then, is so bad in our country. smile
            And for the comment about Arakcheev's dacha - thank you, although not off the topic of the article, but it was interesting. Finally, write your materials, you lazy irresponsible !. smile
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 12: 11
              +1
              Write already, finally, your materials, you lazy irresponsible!

              It should be, but there is no inspiration. Moreover, with such an attitude on the part of some participants ...
              And for cons, I recommend defecating. If at the same time you touch the minusator itself - do not be sad, it should be so.

              I thought I had Vespasian day yesterday, it turns out - today ... laughing
              And for the comment about Arakcheev's dacha - thank you, although not off the topic of the article, but it was interesting.

              You see ... Off topic ... But sometimes because of the attitude of some individuals, we really lose historical treasures. In this case, I repeat, the Bolsheviks did a great job - they quickly took many things under protection.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 13: 18
                +3
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                no inspiration.

                Inspiration comes along the way. It's hard to force yourself to start working.
                I would love to plunge into the atmosphere of the XNUMXth century, especially in your interpretation, Nikolai. A small article is not great work. You have already written half an article in the commentary. smile
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 14 May 2021 13: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  I would love to plunge into the atmosphere of the XNUMXth century, especially in your interpretation, Nikolai.

                  Nikolay, I will fully support Mikhail, it seems to me that no one can cope with this better than you hi
          2. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 14 May 2021 12: 50
            +3
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            to immediately stick a minus ...

            Good afternoon Nikolai, the other day I was surprised at the minus "for moonshine", that's really true:
            evil lurks in men who avoid wine, games, the company of pretty women, table conversation. Such people are either seriously ill, or secretly hate others.
            drinks
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 12: 51
              0
              evil lurks in men who avoid wine, games, the company of pretty women, table conversation. Such people are either seriously ill, or secretly hate others.

              Yes, yes, Sergei, and they also think such sedition! fellow In general, this "minus" was a gesture of desperate envy from an alcoholic who got stuck ... laughing
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 14 May 2021 12: 54
                0
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                In general, it was a gesture of desperate envy from a stuck alcoholic ...

                In no case did I want to hurt the feelings of a stuck alcoholic ... wassat
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 12: 55
                  0
                  In no case did I want to hurt the feelings of a stuck alcoholic ...

                  In brackets - (prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation). laughing
          3. parusnik
            parusnik 14 May 2021 15: 04
            +5
            hi
            Opensource projects, eh ... wrote a comment to immediately stick a minus.
            "You got excited" (c) Quote from a little-known film in wide circles laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 15: 20
              +3
              "You got excited" (c) Quote from a little-known film in wide circles

              I only remembered "It was you who hurried!" about the capture of Kazan from the film about the change of profession. laughing Hello, Alexey Anatolyevich! drinks
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 14 May 2021 15: 30
                +5
                smile Good afternoon, right, "hurried" wink "They did not lead to execute" (c) drinks
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 16: 21
                  +3
                  "They did not lead to execute" (c)

                  - You seduced the boyar?
                  - I. I am. My life ...
                  drinks
        2. ee2100
          ee2100 14 May 2021 12: 50
          +7
          Hi Nikolay!
          I see the holidays were usefully.
          In 1977, in the summer, they did a mess at the factory of champagne and dessert wines, which you know, on the Sverdlovskaya embankment.
          Everything that fit in a woman's bag and did not stick out, and these are 3 bottles, could be freely taken out after the end of the 2nd shift.
          An unwritten rule. Those who were greedy were caught. And this was practically the case everywhere in the USSR.
          This is the main contradiction of socialism - words were at odds with deeds. Well, everyone knows the consequences.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 12: 54
            +4
            Everything that fit in a woman's bag and did not stick out, and these are 3 bottles, could be freely taken out after the end of the 2nd shift.

            A natural product award? wink drinks
            I see the holidays were usefully.

            With a huge one! Well I buy books ...
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 14 May 2021 13: 04
              +6
              No, just an extra income. 4.67 champagne cost. So count it. A taxi was on duty at the checkpoint. 1 bottle and to any part of the city.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 13: 05
                +4
                1 bottle and to any part of the city.

                Solid glass currency ... wink
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 14 May 2021 13: 07
                  +7
                  Taxi drivers were selling alcoholic drinks with might and main. They sold this bottle for 10 rubles
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 13: 08
                    +6
                    Taxi drivers were selling alcoholic drinks with might and main. They sold this bottle for 10 rubles

                    Well, okay! Now, too, especially cunning underground firms are selling alcohol after 10 pm ...
                    1. ee2100
                      ee2100 14 May 2021 13: 10
                      +6
                      Everyone who works around the clock and has a permit for a drunk sells everything
                    2. Mihaylov
                      Mihaylov 14 May 2021 13: 31
                      +5
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Now, too, especially cunning underground firms are selling alcohol after 10 pm ...

                      But I wonder what Ramil sells in the "High-Market"?

                      Recently, such a shop was opened next to the house ... drinks
                      By the way - 7 stars!
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 14 May 2021 19: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: Mihaylov
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Now, too, especially cunning underground firms are selling alcohol after 10 pm ...

                        But I wonder what Ramil sells in the "High-Market"?

                        Recently, such a shop was opened next to the house ... drinks
                        By the way - 7 stars!

                        A jamb of a turban, a mirror, black plates with automatic heating, disposable Neva razors, used plastic bank cards, fresh, intact, rolled up in a vacuum package, twisted plastic bottles 150 ml, an elephant's trunk "eternal buzz"
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 14 May 2021 16: 44
            +2
            Everything that fit in a woman's bag and did not stick out, and these are 3 bottles,
            Hmm, clutches are not about Soviet women! laughing
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 14 May 2021 17: 05
              +3
              Clutch is a bourgeois accessory. am
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 14 May 2021 18: 02
                +3
                "Elements of a Sweet Life" (C)
          3. Looking for
            Looking for 14 May 2021 17: 01
            +4
            that. be proud of that. STEALING !!!! at his homeland. ??
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 14 May 2021 17: 45
              +3
              Personally, I did not steal, but told how it happened. But he didn't knock either, not that kind of upbringing, he became a Komsomol member at the end of the 10th grade, at the insistence of his mother.
              In our workshop (workshop of control aging and artistic finishing), the cleaners washed the floor with champagne. It was far and hard to get to the tap with water. Bucket 10 l.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 May 2021 19: 17
              0
              Quote: Seeker
              that. be proud of that. STEALING !!!! at his homeland. ??

              “I didn’t steal
              Did not steal
              And loved freedom
              I knew too much of the truth
              And told the people
              What: "I will not forget my own mother
              and father Bukharik "..." (c)
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 14 May 2021 21: 50
                +2
                Everyone sees what he wants. Whoever felt what, writes poetry about that.
                It is easy to impose "horseradish" on the past life, especially those who did not live at that time will take it with a bang. Everything was bad and because of this everything fell apart.
                I can give myoooo examples when managers steal from the company where they work and they are paid money for it.
                But about the Motherland, no, no. And if you work in a government agency and steal, do you also embarrass your homeland?
                At that, already distant time, it was an unwritten "law". Live, and let others live. And all the ideology that the author is trying to refute contributed to this.
                Shpakovsky's principle of gudgeon-lived trembled and died trembled.
                And he wants to present this as a kind of feat of the life he has lived.
                Those. not me, but life like that!
                And all sorts of "seekers", I hope not in the dark, echo him!
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 May 2021 22: 20
                  +1
                  Greetings! hi
                  Shpakovsky writes that we lived in a rather deceitful society, and the fact that he felt good in it is, in my opinion, more a plus than a minus))
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 14 May 2021 22: 37
                    +3
                    Shalom, does anyone mind? He partially writes the truth, but as befits an agitator, in a certain place he bends the "stick" like, I didn't know, I don't know, etc. I and I and this is not my bullshit. He carried out the instructions of the authorities from the above and shot, according to the lists approved by the Penza Regional Committee.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 15 May 2021 00: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: ee2100
                      Shalom, does anyone mind? He partially writes the truth, but as befits an agitator, in a certain place he bends the "stick" like, I didn't know, I don't know, etc. I and I and this is not my bullshit. He carried out the instructions of the authorities from the above and shot, according to the lists approved by the Penza Regional Committee.

                      I didn’t know about it - maybe I didn’t come across or didn’t pay attention
                      I left the Union at the age of 14, from what I remember is a total lie, which was replaced by enthusiasm by the West at the end of perestroika.
            3. depressant
              depressant 14 May 2021 23: 53
              +4
              So their villains, colleague Seeker! So them scoundrels! wassat good drinks )))
              The difference with the present time is that everything that these scoundrels carried out of the gates of factories and factories fell into the aggregate stomach of the Motherland as not given for the reproduction of it, the Motherland, the labor force - according to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. A severely hungry homeland would not provide the required labor productivity, and for this reason factories and factories would gradually wither. And now, most of the income is funneled overseas and deposited in private bank accounts. Do you feel the difference?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 May 2021 00: 34
                +2
                I am a small person - I live an inconspicuous life for myself)). I didn't think deeply. But in modern Russia, people aged 20-55 live better than in the USSR
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 May 2021 06: 05
    +5
    Where they stole millions for little things, now producers, resellers are stealing. They can hardly be called thieves, because they work under the guise of a free market. You read what is mixed in meat products, you don't want to eat. In a quick line I read the price of honey from producers. is 130-200 rubles per kilogram. And you know the final price. Since when did bread begin to be sold weighing 400 grams? The quality is such that a piece of bread turns into a rusk after 10 minutes. What we used to eat and wear is now affordable only for the rich. So we used to be rich? There is nowhere to put the garbage, and the basis of the garbage is the packaging. We cannot switch to paper and glass. Paper in the form of a forest goes to where their forest is protected, and sand for glass is used to build houses. There, too, you can not make a lot of money.
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 07: 10
      -1
      Nikolay! I honestly don't know where you live. And how ... But also fresh soft bread and natural honey, and an excellent ham, and homemade sausage, and at quite affordable prices today you can buy on the market. In private bakeries, private shops ... order by phone - they will bring you home. They will not mix anything into your rabbit, if they feed it incorrectly, it will be tough - you tell the seller about this and you will no longer buy from him. So I don't really understand your complaints ... And what about theft? So any phenomenon in society has the potential for development. It's like on a ship ... Where there was a small hole in the skin, you should always expect a big leak!
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 14 May 2021 07: 35
        +8
        Vyacheslav: I'm not arguing with you. You can buy better quality on the market. But the markets are getting smaller. And soon there will be only memories. Yes, and the market has ceased to live up to its name. The market involves a dispute over price between the buyer and the seller. I take more, the seller is obliged to give in price. In due time it was. Now one answer - I work for the owner.
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2021 07: 41
          -2
          I do not question your words. But it’s not like that in Penza. Nobody cancels the markets, I always bargain and they always give way to me. And now I already have my own honey ...
      2. tatra
        tatra 14 May 2021 09: 47
        0
        About your vaunted, enemies of the communists, "but now everything is there, not like in the USSR", jokes have already been composed "and we only have the Patriotic War, everything else is imported", "why did the USSR lack sausage? And because it was made from meat ". And ALL your ideology and propaganda is sheer lies and hypocrisy. And in the case of theft, robbery of their country and people, the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR are "ahead of the whole planet."
      3. Looking for
        Looking for 14 May 2021 17: 04
        +1
        The point is that not all Russian citizens live on "Sorovskie" grants.
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2021 19: 24
          +1
          Alexander, do not write nonsense. Sorov grants in the Russian Federation were canceled in 2002. Today is 2021. Until 2002, 64 thousand teachers of higher education received them. And this supported them especially during the period of default. These are the personnel that the country needs. Younger scoopers, like older ones, can always find a sewage wagon. Here's the problem with good teachers ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 May 2021 06: 51
    0
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, is it true that they pay well for spitting into the past?
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 07: 30
      -2
      Where did you see the spit? You are given accurate information with links to sources. This research is called - if anything. Exploration! I can explain it easily, right? It is necessary so that people know about the shortcomings (everyone has already buzzed about the merits and it did not help!) That took place in the past, so that they do not repeat in the future. By the way, when you read fictions about Hyperborea, you don't consider it spitting? If not, then it characterizes you badly. And regarding the amount of the fee, contact the site administration.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 14 May 2021 07: 45
        +1
        "They are paid money,
        Huge masses! " (FROM) laughing
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 May 2021 08: 17
        +5
        You are given accurate information with links to sources
        I lived in those days. I do not speak. that there were no flaws then, but at least for a change, write about a happy TODAY.
        so that they do not repeat in the future
        I'll tell you a secret. these are different systems. Bribery though. reverence for rank, admiration for the West is safely dragged from the past.
        Hyperborea is so long ago that it can be considered a fairy tale. But my past in which I lived turns out to be entirely flaws. Well then, for the sake of variety, write about something positive from modern times.
        and they can pay from another administration.
        1. kalibr
          14 May 2021 17: 06
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          and they can pay from another administration.

          For example, the US State Department pays me in hard currency. But our Penza FSB is in no hurry to stop something. They caught our governor ... but they still can't do me. Weaklings!
      3. tatra
        tatra 14 May 2021 09: 53
        0
        You, the enemies of the Communists, the anti-Soviet is the only justification for the capture of the USSR in 30 years. You have nothing FOR yourself, FOR what you yourself did after the capture of the USSR, from the responsibility for the capture of which you have cowardly kicked out all 30 years. And it would be HONEST just to compare what the communists and their supporters did, and what you yourself did after you seized the USSR. But you are AFRAID to compare.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 10: 11
      0
      When a person has a miserable present and a very vague future, he invents a glorious past for himself
      1. moscowp
        moscowp 14 May 2021 11: 00
        +1
        Well said. Already a couple of generations have practically grown up, who have not lived a day in the USSR, and people still break spears on the topic of whether the USSR was heaven on earth or hell and who was Stalin
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 11: 16
        +1
        When a person has a miserable present and a very vague future, he invents a glorious past for himself

        Albert, some generally go into an alternative history, and they piously believe in it ... drinks
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 May 2021 11: 22
          -1
          Quote: Pan Kohanku
          When a person has a miserable present and a very vague future, he invents a glorious past for himself

          Albert, some generally go into an alternative history, and they piously believe in it ... drinks

          Good morning, Nikolai! hi
          Yes, they are raving about the Scythians, Normans, and so on. Ask, for the sake of interest, from the modern victims of the exam what Hyperborea is, the names of all three original Moons of the Earth or the modern name of Asgard of Irian - no one will say negative
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 11: 35
            +2
            Ask, for the sake of interest, from the modern victims of the exam, what is Hyperborea

            You see, I don't know this topic either. Maybe Hyperboreans and historical characters, but for me this word only evokes an association with Hitler and his rascal ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 May 2021 12: 14
              +2
              But the Slavic-Aryans can no longer evoke associations with Hitler. As well as three moons. Here with a fool - how can they laughing
              In fact, the theory about "the arias came to the South-East" repeats Hitler's (Himmler's), Klesov tied it to the gallogroups, enrolling the Slavs in the arias. Source - you are right, in the Third Reich, although Hitler did not encourage the study of real history. According to Speer's memoirs: “Why humiliate national dignity, finding the remains of the pitiful German shacks of the period when the Romans were building huge buildings? Archaeologists, however, glorify every clay shard found in this shack and run around with it like a Child. " But Himmler played into an alternative story with the Goths who inhabited the Crimea and spoke German to a passer-by, etc. rave
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 12: 21
                -1
                As well as three moons.

                Does the shaman have three moons? laughing
                But Himmler played into an alternative story with the Goths who inhabited the Crimea and spoke German to a passer-by, etc. rave

                You know ... probably, we should be interested in this - where did this nonsense come from at the top. The question is that the consequences of this nonsense were such (crematoria and gas chambers) that I don't even want to touch it with a stick. Small delirium brought huge blood ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 May 2021 12: 24
                  0
                  Quite right. And many believed this with them, as now with us, and I'm afraid that for the same reasons
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 14 May 2021 12: 31
                    +1
                    And many believed this with them

                    The worse life is, the more pretentious the alternative nonsense ... I would venture to suggest that the Germans were humiliated during the 20s so much that Hitler who came to power (with well-organized propaganda) seemed to them the messiah - gave them a sense of greatness ... "racial cleansing", then there were war and extermination camps.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 13: 25
                      +2
                      At first I liked “getting up from my knees”, after easy victories they themselves believed that the cool ones in the USSR began to see their light, and everything ended with the occupation and division of the country.
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 14 May 2021 13: 18
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                In fact, the theory about "Arias came to the South-East" repeats Hitler's (Himmler's)
                You are not talking about this: G.M. Bongard-Levin, E.A. Grantovsky. "From Scythia to India. Ancient Aryans: Myths and History"? It is unlikely that the authors are seen in sympathy for the leaders of the 3rd Reich. Probably, there was a movement to the South-East, albeit without Hyperborea.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 May 2021 13: 26
                  0
                  No, not about them
                  Not about myths and facts))
    3. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 10: 20
      -2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Is it true that they pay well for spitting in the past?

      Why should you know this, if you yourself are able to spit only at yourself?
      I remembered an old anecdote-parable. Just from the late USSR.
      Winter, bitter frost.
      The sparrow froze and fell to the ground, it comes. A passing cow accidentally covered him with her cake, the sparrow warmed up and began to chirp. The cat heard the chirping, took out a sparrow and strangled it.
      Hence, there are three morals.
      The first is not the enemy who poured shit on you.
      The second is not the same friend for you who pulled you out of shit.
      The third - if you sit up to your ears in shit, then do not chirp.
      Do you consider the author an enemy (of Russia, the Russian people, something else) because he is very critical of the USSR and everything connected with it? For an arrogant attitude towards the layman? Remember the first moral. This is called criticism, identifying shortcomings so that they can be corrected, eliminated.
      Reckless praises of everything Soviet seem to you to be real, honest patriots defending the honor and glory of our Motherland? Remember the second moral. In fact, they are primitive retrogrades trying to push Russia "back to the USSR" (the key word is "back"), to slow down its development here and now, once again plunging it into the swamps of stagnation, from which it crawled out with such difficulty and losses for ten years ... After all, the 90s are a direct consequence of the 80s.
      Well, you can only try on morality for yourself. What kind of environment you live in, you certainly know better.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 14 May 2021 10: 30
        -1
        Greetings! hi
        Tough but fair laughing
      2. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 14 May 2021 11: 56
        +6
        I remembered an old anecdote-parable.

        Which is built on logical errors in the form of a false analogy and overgeneralization.
        For an arrogant attitude towards the layman? Remember the first moral. This is called criticism

        An arrogant attitude is not called criticism. And that's what it's called - an arrogant attitude.
        Criticism can be constructive and destructive. Vyacheslav Olegovich has it just the second, and on the verge of criticism. But here everything is not without sin, since it is easier to be subjective than objective.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 12: 33
          -1
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          on logical errors in the form of a false analogy and overgeneralization.

          Therefore, the parable is an anecdote, and not just a parable.
          As for the author, our esteemed Vyacheslav Olegovich, I think that his materials about the Soviet past are instructive and doubly useful.
          He is flesh of the flesh of the system that raised him. And the methods of propaganda that he uses now were used by him then, they were not taught to others. He just changed the vector of his efforts and this is his right. His articles are a clear example of how this was done then. An example of Soviet propaganda, only with the opposite sign. I do not like? Not surprising. It's a mirror. A mirror in which right and left are reversed, that's all. The life experience of the author, gained by him over the past thirty-odd years, his constant craving for new knowledge, of course, also leave its imprints, but his articles about the USSR are based on what was laid in him in his youth by the Soviet, I emphasize, the Soviet system. of which he was a part.
          Hating Shpakovsky, people, without realizing it, sign their hatred for the Soviet system and its manifestations.
          Therefore, I sometimes find it amusing to read the indignant cries of some individuals.
          Who are you spitting at? You spit at yourself!

          Almost Gogol. smile
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 14 May 2021 16: 56
            +4
            Therefore, the parable is an anecdote, and not just a parable.

            Michael, the point is not whether it is a parable or an anecdote parable, as you say. And the fact is that if you build reasoning, taking as a basis for reasoning something that has logical errors, then all your further reasoning will automatically be erroneous.
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 18: 09
              0
              This parable was given to you ... I just remembered it and brought it here, so that it was funny, nothing more.
              Replace it with some proverb, for example:
              Love the debater, do not love the indulgent.

              or
              Friendship is not flattery, but truth and honor.

              The meaning of what was said will not change.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 May 2021 12: 16
        +4
        Eh, the master is prehistoric. I like it when people talk to themselves.
        I’m not calling for praise of the Union. Can you tell us anything positive about modernity? About old people rummaging through garbage, about shootings in schools, about Rogozin trampolines ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 May 2021 12: 28
          -2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Eh, the master is prehistoric. I like it when people talk to themselves.
          I’m not calling for praise of the Union. Can you tell us anything positive about modernity? About old people rummaging through garbage, about shootings in schools, about Rogozin trampolines ...

          About the opportunity to earn
          On the absence of a shortage of consumer goods and a huge selection of these
          Free access to any information and literature
          About free family trips abroad
          On the freedom to choose a place of residence
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 May 2021 13: 16
            +2
            I agree with you in part. Not all teachers and doctors can work in private clinics. Although there is a possibility. As for the deficit, again, if there is money. And everything else is freedom of travel and freedom to choose a place of residence if you have money. And everyone cannot have money at the same time.
            There are advances in science, medicine, but this is just the general development of civilization.
            And by the way, take it and write about what you have listed.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 May 2021 13: 22
              0
              Teachers - Tutoring
              Doctors - a wide range of part-time jobs
              Yes, I wrote everything, in principle. About money - we live under capitalism, in a young state, everything is in our hands hi
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 13: 03
          0
          What's bad now?
          The sixth economy in the world, the country is developing, construction is underway, whoever wants to work, who wants to drink, everyone has their own happiness. I am not a supporter of capitalism, but I like the socialism that was in the USSR in recent years even less.
          And in particular, you have already been answered above.
          1. depressant
            depressant 14 May 2021 13: 51
            +4
            And here you can stop.
            After all, what is our topic? Propaganda!
            I specially checked whether there will be a continuation of the article. Will not be! So it is advisable to consider all types of modern propaganda on this forum.

            I'll start with the simplest.
            The explosion of the 4th block at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant is considered by some to be a planned terrorist attack. But the possibility of attributing it to a terrorist attack is based only on the fact that this explosion introduced an additional component to the causes of the collapse of the USSR.
            But the explosion of the twin towers on September 11, 2001, as well as the Pentagon, near which the plane seemed to self-vaporize - what's this? Since the terrorist attack, questions have arisen: the CIA or bin Laden? There is a lot of evidence in favor of the version of the CIA as a beneficiary, and controversy continues to this day.
            But for what if the CIA? And in order to change the world. Only in those days it was not clear yet. But it really was a transition to another reality, which cannot be created by any newspaper propaganda, no matter how massive it is.
            So, the first type of modern propaganda, which consists in creating an event that shocks the consciousness of a large number of people and makes possible such actions on the part of the state, which would otherwise be accepted by society with hostility.
            A terrorist act that changes the consciousness of people on a national or global scale has been known for a long time as a means of promoting a certain idea.
    4. Looking for
      Looking for 14 May 2021 17: 10
      +4
      they pay well, otherwise it would be for what shisha this "candidate" would travel abroad.
      1. kalibr
        14 May 2021 18: 50
        +1
        Alexander! Below one of the "critics" laid out the data on my published books. And books are fees, royalties and grants. So that's what I'm driving around on. And the articles about the communist past are so scanty that if I lived on them, I would not go further than the dacha. 49 books - that's what feeds! But you can be vigilant, write "where necessary", and suddenly ... there is a secret sponsorship from Washington. They found a car of money at the Penza governor. Maybe they will find me. That will be joy! Yes? Write ... or call ... I can give you a phone.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 14 May 2021 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: Seeker
        they pay well, otherwise it would be for what shisha this "candidate" would travel abroad.

        For stolen by the enemies of the communists from the communists-friends of the communists negative And to the West he does not export anything, but the complete works of Karla Marla to Yiddish, published by the Krasny Khabadnik publishing house. negative
  • north 2
    north 2 14 May 2021 07: 02
    +11
    Maybe in Stalin's times people were interested in the then lecturers and then propagandists and their lectures and classes. I didn't live then, I don't know ...
    But what I saw and heard from the lecturers at the Brezhnev and Gorbachev times, it was something from a "soap opera" called "We do not plow, we do not sow, we do not build, we are proud of the social system." It was not only uninteresting, but people were also very offended, because they were taught how to plow, sow, build and live by those who did not plow, sow, build ... to watch a session of such a "mile opera", in the form of such a propagandistic lecture, people themselves would not go to watch and listen to it. But how not to go if at the lecture on the list of personnel they checked and noted who was present and who was absent. With the further transfer of the lists to the party committee, trade union committee, local committee, etc. And there they already corrected the lists for receiving apartments, places in kindergarten , order for cars, vouchers to sanatoriums and vouchers for a trip abroad. So the lecturers were not only artists in this kind of uninteresting cinema, but they were also impudently pleased that they knew that the hall would be always full ... Older people say that such a "movie" of such lectures began with the Khrushchevskys times ..
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 07: 34
      -3
      Yes, Vidas, that's right. But even here the Pareto law worked, alas. 80% of the lecturers were just like that. And 20% of others were not enough for everyone, and even against 80 ... what could they do? And 80% of the teachers are like that! Hey, where are the students of the Higher School, confirm! And in many places it works like this. So just confirm that it works. And the task of the development of society is precisely to "turn it over" - at the top 80% with a + sign, and at the bottom 20-. That the Ogurtsovs were not 80%, but only 20%.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 14 May 2021 07: 40
    +6
    the majority of Russians only express their opinion about power, but they do not want to rule themselves, to create some kind of their own institutions for this

    He doesn’t want or don’t give. I think the latter.

    In 1917, the majority came to power and proved that the "cook" can run the state.
    The problem is not that the majority does not want to, the problem is that the majority is not allowed to do so.



    With the emergence of states, aliens usurped power and in order to parasitize on the aborigines, the aborigines were given laws in order to give them the illusion of justice. Parasites have been building this system for a very long time and they will not allow anyone from outsiders to control it.


    About the elections and the rule of two hands.

    There are five fingers on the right and left hand - five parties. When the head needs to solve its own problems, say, games with the right hand, the right hand with five parties is shown and the people can choose any one - from the thumb (EP) to the little finger (Apple). Whatever the people would vote for, there would be one result - they all chose the right hand. Parties with the left hand (Barkashovtsy, Ampilovtsy, Tyutyukintsy, etc.), for the time being, are declared extremist and they periodically frighten the people so that they make the "right" choice. Both of these hands serve one head.

    About the electoral system.

    More precisely about some aspects of this. We all go around, or at least they heard about the elections and what means are spent on controlling this scam at polling stations. So you know how your vote was counted? No, and I don’t know how mine was taken into account. Voting ballots are faceless and as soon as they get into the ballot box they cease to be ours, they become common and you can take off whatever you like. No, not at polling stations, there control is observed. But then, where do they get and what is done with them - only God knows.

    In our country there are no watered prisoners, no one is being persecuted for political beliefs, there is not any discrimination on the basis of party or non-partisan status - so why is the vote secret? I think that it is beneficial only to those in power - to give slaves the illusion of choice without giving the choice itself.

    This is on the one hand, and on the other.

    Everyone knows that only shoemakers can choose the best shoemaker. The best baker can choose - bakers. It is impossible to entrust the choice of manager to the managerically illiterate people. That is why in our elections there is a competition of figures, and not their programs. People simply are not able to understand what is written there. (mostly secondary education)

    What is the danger of such a situation for society.

    The elite that has usurped the right to govern and for the sake of its further prosperity does not allow anyone from outside, which leads to its degradation, as a result of which the effectiveness of governance and degradation of the whole society as a whole decreases and, ultimately, to the collapse of the state or the violent change of the elite ( revolution).

    And the favorite question of all indifferent citizens to the fate of the motherland is what to do.

    Just like in 1917, the question of general illiteracy was acute, today it is also necessary to raise the question of universal managerial illiteracy. Only after that, as the people have mastered the basics of management, it will be possible to enter personal ballots with the right to control how everyone's vote is taken into account at all stages of counting and, in case of disagreement, have the right to challenge in courts before the announcement of the overall results.

    ps
    The people rule at the egregorial-matric level. As one of the classics of obscurity used to say, until the idea took possession of the masses, it is dead. 20 "free" TV channels (an attraction of unprecedented generosity from the bourgeois) partly solve this problem - on the one hand, they impose the stereotypes they need on society, and on the other, they do not allow useful information to break through behind the husk of information. Thus, regulating the egregorial-matric government of the people.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 14 May 2021 13: 32
      +2
      The best baker can be chosen - bakers.
      Customers choose the best baker - they stand in line for his baguettes when another's shop is empty.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 14 May 2021 08: 34
    +1
    In my opinion, the movie hero Ogurtsov cannot be called a fool, he is quite a cute character, but this understanding only happened now, when the era has changed.
    By the way, this applies not only to the heroes of "Carnival Night", but also to other films - "Garage", "Office Romance", etc.
  • BAI
    BAI 14 May 2021 08: 35
    +1
    the majority of Russians only express their opinion about power, but they do not want to rule themselves, create their own institutions for this and are ready to entrust power over themselves to any more or less legitimate ruler or even a bold impostor [9].

    The expression is very sly. Even daily revolutions can be subsumed under it.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 14 May 2021 08: 41
    +8
    For those who found it in the adult age of 70-80, the stupidity of Soviet propaganda of that period is obvious. These same people (party propagandists) continued their work in the post-Soviet period, because both then and now propaganda is well paid.
  • depressant
    depressant 14 May 2021 08: 47
    +6
    Yes, according to Aksakov, the population is ready to express their opinion about power, but they do not want to rule themselves. Why? Yes, because it has already nominated those who rule from its ranks, and those who have been nominated have created a mechanism of government that surprisingly quickly adapted to the transformation of new people entering it in accordance with its mechanism, the original constructive meanness.
    Realizing this, will a decent person go to power? No, it won't. The scoundrel and the scoundrel will go. Relying on "compensation for moral damage" - an increased salary that is often inadequate for the efforts expended, the ability to rob the state treasury under the pretext of state projects, as well as take bribes and "roll back".
    Such a self-reproducing mechanism, selectively absorbing the most dirty, can only be broken. But there is no argument that the power mechanism, built according to other drawings, will not reproduce the previous one.
    Because there is no division of people into the vast majority of absolute saints and a small group of absolute sinners.

    How many years does such a "dirty" power mechanism live? As long as a generation lives, remembering what created it "clean".
  • ee2100
    ee2100 14 May 2021 09: 20
    +10
    In the section "Layer of comments" the author has given comments that are pleasing to him, but I would like to receive links to them, nickname and the date of their appearance on the site.
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 17: 14
      +1
      These are the comments from the last article ...
  • tatra
    tatra 14 May 2021 09: 36
    +2
    Nothing new . Everything according to the 30-year-old ideology of the enemies of the communists - malice against the USSR, cowardly blaming the communists and their supporters of responsibility for the seizure of the USSR by the enemies of the communists. And why, if the Bolshevik communists and their supporters were always proud and proud of the October Revolution, then their enemies cowardly dump on those the responsibility for their anti-Soviet / anti-communist counter-revolution in Perestroika? And because they themselves admit that their destruction of the USSR, and what they did to their country and people after, are their crimes against the country and people.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 10: 32
      -1
      Quote: tatra
      Nothing new . Everything according to the 30-year-old ideology of the enemies of the communists - malice against the USSR, cowardly blaming the communists and their supporters of responsibility for the seizure of the USSR by the enemies of the communists. And why, if the Bolshevik communists and their supporters were always proud and proud of the October Revolution, then their enemies cowardly dump on those the responsibility for their anti-Soviet / anti-communist counter-revolution in Perestroika? And because they themselves admit that their destruction of the USSR, and what they did to their country and people after, are their crimes against the country and people.

      Oh, those enemies of the Communists from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ... negative
  • depressant
    depressant 14 May 2021 09: 53
    +7
    If we talk about propaganda.
    In the 30s, propaganda in the form in which it was used at that time played an important and necessary role for the government. And if so, then in the same ossified form it was continued to be used in the 50s and in subsequent years. As the saying goes, they do not seek from goodness. This is what the episodes of "Carnival Night" are about. Which indicates the beginning of the gap between the government and the people. The people were already educated enough for the authorities to speak to them seriously, and not with populist slogans. The authorities did not understand this. Not in propaganda, not in government decisions. The people of the 60s - 70s outgrew their power. And when it finally came to her, the authorities, in order not to lose themselves, the authorities decided: "Nafig such a people!" And yes, it began to be reproduced exclusively at the expense of the villains. The experience of conspiratorial survival has been gained. Almost everyone has resentment to one degree or another. And if it, villainy, is in demand, then why not sell it. Therefore, villainy began to be offered and bought in the open, losing its sharpness and becoming an everyday occurrence. The previously suppressed villain blossomed and sensed strength. Therefore, the propaganda of the 30s turned into a boring, but obligatory ritual of the 70s and 80s. If only there was. Now this mossy kind of propaganda has passed into the official media.
    1. tatra
      tatra 14 May 2021 10: 40
      +2
      The most interesting thing is that those who have raged against pro-Soviet propaganda, starting with Perestroika, unconditionally believe any anti-Soviet propaganda, even the most deceitful and delusional, even in something that did not exist and cannot be.
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 May 2021 11: 23
        +5
        Dear Irina, I am a cynical enough person to understand that this is far from being the case in all cases. People say what is customary to say, that it is safe to speak, which can create a reputation for the speaker as reliable, loyal to the authorities, convenient for the employer, etc. Even just in case. You never know? What if a provocateur inquiring about your position in life? Who knows how times will turn. I saw how people refuse to answer VTsIOM's questions.
        Therefore, do not believe those who are raging - either for the USSR, or with even greater bitterness against. Until the end, convinced staunch soldiers of communism, or capitalism now is not - an era of calculating hypocrisy. If something is built with clearly defined final forms, then such soldiers will appear.
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 14 May 2021 15: 27
      +5
      Almost everyone has resentment to one degree or another.
      .. I knew one such person. In the third grade, my mother died, at the age of 9, my father remained in the care of my sister. In school, in view of his orphan situation, he was promoted along the Komsomol line. practice abroad and stay there, joined the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, married not the one he wanted, but whose relatives were more respectable. Remained to serve abroad. After the collapse of the OVD, some were taken to Ukraine, still Soviet. Ukraine became "independent." He took the oath of allegiance. But he did not give up citizenship, just in case, he was pinched at the service for this. He returned to Russia, with the help of his wife's relatives, moved to Kaliningrad. There he served in the tax service, then went to power, the administration, then the EP, assistant to the deputy EP, responsible for patriotic education. I don’t know further. The correspondence was stopped 3 years ago.
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 May 2021 16: 22
        +5
        Good afternoon, Alexey Anatolyevich! hi )))
        Yes, I studied at the institute with such guys. I remember being amazed: they were so young, but they behave as if they lived life and know all its advantageous and disadvantageous sides. They looked suspicious against the background of naive guys. And yes, they were friends with some girls, and they married Muscovites with apartments in order to stay in Moscow, and not go to the periphery, diligently joined the party, said the right words, no student parties, no festivities at night. And for some reason it seems to me that these guys, and there were several such girls on the course, were from families in which they already knew where everything was going, and were diligently preparing to take the designated places in their new life.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 14 May 2021 10: 00
    +15
    Well, it's time to turn the hornets' nest, the party-Komsomol shape-shifters. In their conceit, they always treated the people of their country with disdain, and how they were treated, they did not understand, or maybe they did, and made them mad. For example, propaganda .... and then there was an ending known as rubber product number-2, only in the popular saying, not printed, but the main thing to the point. The people always give the correct definition of what they are. As I remember, all sorts of lectures were held at the end of the working week, at the end of the working day, all sorts of announcements, they can remind over the speakerphone, well, the people are on the drum, you need to go home, you need to relieve fatigue, and here. front-line soldier, and he will ask, guys, let's go to the lecture, otherwise the party organizer will eat my baldness. Tell Matveich, only for your sake will you go. If there is still a peasant with a concept, then immediately, they have gathered and that is good for the report, let the peasants go home. Well, if the product is under No. 2, and even from former teachers, then that's it. It does not reach him that before him are not schoolchildren, but people who have lived life, have told a lot in it. Melet language, people who are asleep, who among themselves talk about their own, and who yawns defiantly. The most interesting thing after that, you ask, Matveich, tell me where in the batch, such items No. 2 appear? He will wave his hand, and say, the men went where the young Komsomol activists, the mothers were strictly forbidden, even to come, wave a beer around the mug, and after drinking his mug he will add, he is also darned, thereby drawing a line. So we disperse, product number-2 in full confidence that the people are not worthy of listening to it, and the people are confident that if there are at least half of them in the party, then the country will end badly, which is what happened. It is necessary to notice one thing striking the eye, all these figures, as if under the same mold. Let's take one such figure.
    He was also brought up under female leadership, through their connections he entered Moscow State University, then into the party at the age of 18, or at the age of 20, published like 48 or 68 books and works, in the USA, Germany, England ... and Singapore. Professor, some institutes, and so on. He managed to jump off the sinking ship, without getting his feet wet, to become the main product number-2 in Yeltsin's Russia. How it shone on TV in those days. Yes, but he became old, the scent is not the same, or he thought that the government owes him, somewhere he blurted out the wrong thing, and the current government is not Soviet, it is semi-criminal, does not understand how you can peck from the palm of your hand, and at the same time loudly be indignant with this palm . Beats off his toe, and immediately, and this figure began to disappear from TV, from everywhere. The last time, somewhere out there, a liberal scrambled, imagined himself Taisan, and waving his fists, not grinding his tongue, got in the teeth, and was completely blown away, carrying off an expression of insulted dignity on his truly Semitic face. The lot of renegades is hard, Kolya, Kolya, Nikolai said, stay at home, do not walk, did not listen. All the same, the Lord, marks rogue.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 10: 37
      -2
      Quote: Unknown
      The last time, somewhere out there, a liberal scrambled, imagined himself Taisan, and waving his fists, not grinding his tongue, got in the teeth, and was completely blown away, carrying off an expression of insulted dignity on his truly Semitic face. The lot of renegades is hard, Kolya, Kolya, Nikolai said, stay at home, do not walk, did not listen. All the same, the Lord, marks rogue.

      So not interesting - where are the repeat offenders? Arrows in Bryansk / Uryupinsk? It was funnier last time yes
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 May 2021 11: 35
        +4
        Albert, I liked it, it's fiction! )))
        By the way, I strongly dislike Svanidze for his mediocrity. And I really like Weller - he always looks as if he was waiting for a question and exactly the one that was asked to him, therefore the answer is immediately ready, and now, opening his mouth with taste, Weller begins to broadcast - beauty! She also agrees with him in many ways.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 May 2021 12: 20
          0
          Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
          Weller - you read - you read, you look live, so be it. And after you see - Zvyagin reads like the ideal of an Ubermench, praised by the notorious Goebbels (I do not compare them ideologically or in terms of human qualities, God forbid, only psychologically). Magda had a "student Hans" (Zionist Arlozorov) - sadness. And an ubermench wouldn't have it
        2. Mihaylov
          Mihaylov 14 May 2021 13: 02
          +4
          Quote: depressant
          By the way, I strongly dislike Svanidze for his mediocrity.

          And his mother was a famous historian, an expert on medieval northern cities. The case when "nature rested" ... hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 14 May 2021 14: 08
            +4
            Good afternoon, Albert, good afternoon, Sergei!
            hi )))
            Relaxed nature is pleasant. It does not burn with frost or heat, but just like it is now. Flowers, the bumblebee is buzzing. And something is buzzing on the TV. Not everything is annoying "How long!"
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 May 2021 14: 44
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              Good afternoon, Albert, good afternoon, Sergei!
              hi )))
              Relaxed nature is pleasant. It does not burn with frost or heat, but just like it is now. Flowers, the bumblebee is buzzing. And something is buzzing on the TV. Not everything is annoying "How long!"

              We are in bloom. ))
              1. depressant
                depressant 14 May 2021 15: 25
                +3
                So you have God himself commanded, southern regions! They say drought threatens you, be vigilant! )))
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 May 2021 19: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: depressant
                  So you have God himself commanded, southern regions! They say drought threatens you, be vigilant! )))

                  This is not good - again the sunflower yok
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 14 May 2021 19: 33
                    +2
                    Last year there were videos of the tragically shallow Kuban, where you could walk along the bottom, there was only a narrow, quiet channel. And I remember the full-flowing Kuban, rushing with great speed. The ferry was tied to a rope stretched over the river, otherwise it would have been carried away. Well, not quite a ferry - a boat. The boatman was a profession)))
                    By the way, I don't like the garden of Sergei Galitsky.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 19: 37
                      +1
                      The park - no, the stadium - yes, the area around - yes, but somewhat remote from the center
                      1. depressant
                        depressant 14 May 2021 19: 53
                        +2
                        Does the city government have an intention to humanize the park? Well, there are beautiful benches, flower borders, sculptures, vases of flowers?
                        It's too lean.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 14 May 2021 20: 50
                        +2
                        If they knock out a budget that can be mastered for a long time - certainly laughing
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 14 May 2021 21: 00
                        +2
                        This is what a man of the age means! Thinking in the right direction, comrade wassat good )))
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 14 May 2021 22: 25
                        +1
                        I can only assume without having any reason to suspect anyone of anything like that. hi
                      5. depressant
                        depressant 14 May 2021 23: 00
                        +2
                        Suspicion is the mother of insight! wassat )))
  • Unknown
    Unknown 14 May 2021 12: 24
    +6
    Well, one hatched, right there. The defender of the ideological guru, stood up with his chest in defense. Where do repeat offenders ask? What are your years, everything is ahead, even though you do not belong to the people, but there is a proverb "Do not renounce yourself from prison and money," especially in Russia, and there they will popularly explain what, fuckers, people, and to a heap, what kind of product is No. 2, how to relate to them. Communicate with the people directly, impressions will last for the rest of your life. Then tell me, maybe if you want.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 12: 32
      -1
      If I do not mention communication and acquaintance with such people, this does not mean the absence of such. As well as the fact of acquaintance. You just need to talk less, especially in Russia laughing
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 14 May 2021 12: 45
        +3
        That's about the tongue and the chatter, to the point. But it is necessary to hold on to this organ, without any hiccups. Without it, you can stay. I remind you that the attitude towards products No. 2 remains unchanged among people, at all times, and it is justified.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 May 2021 13: 06
          0
          So with what repeat offenders did you drink when talking about the behavior of passive prison homosexuals? ))
          With unfamiliar people, such topics are not raised ... It's about chatting. yes
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 14 May 2021 14: 22
            +1
            Not about me. With whom, but how is my business. Advice to those who have everything ahead of them, to live in the future, life is such a thing, today hee-ha and everything is fine, and tomorrow, who knows how it will turn. and offer it in your teeth, with raised paws, for happiness. Nobody knows about this, life presents various surprises.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 May 2021 14: 56
              0
              Not only yours - in the event of a worsening crime situation in Bryansk, for example, it will become a matter for the competent authorities. And they know how to force to cooperate, especially in Russia wink
              In the course for life - a black stripe and a white one. yes The third time - no need to chat about it.
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 14 May 2021 15: 48
                +3
                Do you have experience of cooperation with punitive authorities? We need to be careful with them. They can easily throw away, but the stigma will remain. Although creative intilegacy is no stranger to. They love to write denunciations against each other, according to old memory. That's what they live
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 May 2021 15: 55
                  +1
                  Former shoulder straps - what's next? lol The creative intelligentsia knocks less than the proletariat, since it more often intersects with crime, crime cooperates with the authorities law and order more than the proletariat - these have a mutual interest in certain things, to a certain degree of cooperation, of course. yes
                  And you don't need to nod at someone - you need to talk less laughing
                  1. Unknown
                    Unknown 14 May 2021 18: 15
                    +1
                    Also shoulder straps, but also former. The minister personally gave orders, bypassing the deputy. We must continue in the same spirit, go over the ears of former activists, they are simply thrilled by such revelations.
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 14 May 2021 19: 32
                    +1
                    No, I'm a simple person, down to earth, what ministers?)) And what is noodle on the ears - are there any objections to the percentage of snitching per capita in different social groups? wink So state your observations, reports, memories - you love it lol
                  3. Unknown
                    Unknown 14 May 2021 21: 03
                    +2
                    Grounded on what? As for snitching, the former great experts in this matter. The peacock has a gorgeous tail, Some blackbird sings beautifully, And eagles can fly to the sun, And the woodpecker is accustomed to knocking since childhood. The woodpecker does not have a headache, The liver and intestines are in order. Share your experience.
                  4. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 14 May 2021 22: 02
                    +1
                    I'm down to earth К to the earth - to mother, a man of the people, a homespun one. And on someone the hat is on fire. lol And how did they persuade you to communicate? By landing AT? )))
                  5. Unknown
                    Unknown 15 May 2021 06: 18
                    0
                    He landed on the fifth point, not on the ground. From which people? Sergy say, there are big doubts.
                  6. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 15 May 2021 13: 20
                    +1
                    You can write that you have landed, trying to get around the topic of cooperation, but in vain - working for the good of the rule of law is not ashamed. laughing
                    Of the Jewish people, of course yes
                  7. Unknown
                    Unknown 15 May 2021 14: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    You can write that you have landed, trying to get around the topic of cooperation, but in vain - working for the good of the rule of law is not ashamed.

                    We must call a spade a spade - the topic of snitching. About informers, all expressions are unprintable, from them half of all troubles
                    .This is the first time I heard such a confession. Who is not ashamed, but who is the opposite. Be careful with such confessions.
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Of the Jewish people, of course

                    Which does not require proof.
                  8. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 15 May 2021 15: 18
                    0
                    laughing Yes, do not be afraid already, everything is already clear to everyone yes
  • Alex_1973
    Alex_1973 14 May 2021 23: 35
    +2
    Unknown (Unknown)
    Then tell me, maybe if you want.
    More precisely, if he lives. For a simple hard worker, this prop + product that you mentioned, will smear it on the wall in porridge, unless, of course, Shpakovsky suddenly dares to conduct his "lectures" somewhere in the outback. This is he here on VO so all of himself "brave" and snobby, and if he got to us, from this cock would quickly fly around the feathers.
  • tatra
    tatra 14 May 2021 10: 04
    +2
    This is one of the cardinal differences in propaganda between the communists and their supporters from the enemies of the communists, including the author of the article. If the communists and their supporters had propaganda "in the guise of morality", and FOR themselves, FOR what they did, starting with the October Revolution, then the enemies of the communists, starting with their Perestroika, have spiteful, aggressive, slanderous, totally false, cowardly propaganda, delusional, critical, boorish, offensive - AGAINST others, AGAINST what others have done.
    When I write comments about the enemies of the communists, about what they have done, I already know in advance that the answers to me from the enemies of the communists will be ONLY malice against me and the communists.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 May 2021 10: 39
      -1
      And what if the answer is FOR the enemies of the Communists from the ranks of the Communists, who cowardly hide behind the Communist Party card, but in fact are not Communists at all? recourse
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 14 May 2021 10: 55
        0
        “By their fruits you will know them”
        1. depressant
          depressant 14 May 2021 12: 38
          +2
          And also "not everyone can unravel the logic of the spiral of Archimedes."
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 13: 43
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      against me and the communists

      laughing
      Haberdashery and cardinal - this is power!

      Although the fact that the specificity of propaganda was exactly "for" for some and "against" for others, you are right.
      But this was due precisely to the fact that some wanted to keep the power (they are “for”), while others wanted to intercept, and the latter, of course, for this purpose, criticized those in power.
      At the beginning of the last century, the Bolsheviks acted in the same way, criticizing the policies of the tsar.
      Unfortunately,
      We are ours, we will build a new world

      possible only after
      the whole world of violence we will destroy to the ground
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 11: 04
    +8
    Most of all in Soviet propaganda, I personally was annoyed by the fact that everything was purposefully reduced to an empty talking shop.
    At the age of 14 I joined the Komsomol and six months later was elected secretary of the school's Komsomol committee. Perestroika and all that ... I began to build a "Komsomol with a human face" - no political and ideological nonsense, only real deeds. Moreover, such things that would be interesting to do, and the result would be useful. Gathered around him a team of friends (not only members of the Komsomol) and rushed.
    Do you think someone needed these real, useful deeds in the district committee? Not. All they demanded from me was receipts for payment of contributions and reports (namely reports) on the conduct of events - political information and other crap. No one even bothered to check whether at least one report corresponded to reality. There is - and great. But in the district committees they received a salary for this.
    We were engaged in organizing all kinds of discos at school, hikes, various competitions, etc. But it was there, "above", nobody was interested. Next year, the number of those wishing to join the Komsomol has increased by a factor of four. Instead of me, six more people got tickets, probably. The next year, I took the questionnaire to the district committee of a few, not thirty people. And half of them were my year. The district committee's eyes goggled, but they said nothing.
    And then it all fell apart. The head teacher who covered our activities has changed. Such a "educator" came, an iron curbstone. I personally measured the length of the skirts and, with my hand, washed the makeup off the faces of the eighth-graders. She led our girls something like housekeeping. The girls come from their lesson with eyes of eight kopecks: "Boys, imagine, she taught us a whole lesson that her husband should never yield in anything!" Stalinist hardening lady. And so, with her again, the Komsomol very quickly became just a talking shop, she was present at every meeting and herself said more than ours: "The Komsomol must lead! Engage! Build! I went to BAM!" well, etc. She hated me fiercely. And the whole school and especially the Komsomol members hated her. In short, the last year at school ruined us. And such head teachers were then the overwhelming majority. And the district committee workers were like that in general, probably all of them. In any case, I have not heard of others. It was a system. A rotten and vicious system that spreads throughout the country.
    This is my experience of party work. smile
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 14 May 2021 11: 24
      +5
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      All they demanded from me was receipts for payment of contributions and reports (namely, reports) on the conduct of events - political information and other crap

      We didn't have that either, no one demanded anything. I don’t remember a single cool Komsomol meeting, they simply weren’t there.
      When I entered the military school, the chief battalion member of the Komsomol (officer captain) asked me why my Komsomol membership card had not been paid for the last year and a half (in my opinion, it was 2 kopecks per month).
      At first I could not understand what he was talking about, it turned out that my ticket did not contain stamps on the payment of contributions for the last year and a half.
      I remembered with an unkind word our Irka, a Komsomol organizer and an excellent student, in short, I said something to the main Komsomol member.
      But, he was a cowardly guy, and the first school stamp was put on my ticket according to the actual date, that is, I graduated from school with a ticket in which I did not seem to pay dues for a year and a half of school life (but, I paid, it was Irka that was not put)
      I come to the regiment, everything repeats ... why are there such gaps in the ticket? He explained inconsistently, the regimental Komsomol member turned out to be frail and decisive, quickly put it on the ticket. As a result, it turns out - first school stamps, then regimental, then school, then regimental.
      Everyone in the regiment didn't care about this state of affairs.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 12: 10
        +3
        A girl, my deputy, "head of the organizational sector", was engaged in our contributions. She was all right with that, the stamps with her or my signature were always where needed. But the contributions themselves, we collected not two kopecks, but ten, and sometimes two or three times a month. smile Certain funds were spent on our ventures, so we had to engage in "crowdfunding". And at the same time there was no one to run after - money was carried even by those who were not even members of the Komsomol. But this happiness lasted only one year, alas. request
    2. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 14 May 2021 12: 10
      +4
      They demanded from me only receipts for payment of contributions and reports (namely, reports) on the conduct of events - political information and other crap. No one even bothered to check whether at least one report corresponded to reality. There is - and great.

      Did the reports that you submitted on these requirements correspond to reality?
      Moreover, such things that would be interesting to do, and the result would be useful.

      Would you mind giving examples of such cases? Really interesting.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 12: 49
        +4
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        Did the reports that you submitted on these requirements correspond to reality?

        The first - yes, but nobody needed them. Then there was a complete lie that suited everyone.
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        give examples

        Easily.
        On the first day of the teacher, we thought of congratulating the teachers with a small skit, which was based on anecdotes about the school, about teachers, sometimes on the verge of a foul. We have one girl who studied at the theater studio, she staged everything, the texts were written together.
        On New Year's Eve, they organized a disco with normal modern music, including foreign ones.
        On February 23, they organized something like "Zarnitsa", but not with marching in formation, but with "storming heights" - snow heaps piled up after snow removal. Flags were set on two, it was necessary to bring the enemy to their own. The baby was just happy, and we ourselves warmed up with pleasure. smile
        On May 9, the filthy pillbox on the shore was cleared. The trash was buried nearby, then they had a fun picnic with songs with a guitar, including Russian rock songs. It was cool then. I haven't remembered everything yet. And how many plans were, and unfulfilled, postponed for the next year ... It did not grow together.
        I must say that the director and the head teacher helped us, of course, but we did the main work ourselves. Then in the middle of the year the director went for a promotion, and in the summer - the head teacher. And everything was covered with a copper basin. And so, do not believe it, they were waiting for the holidays to end. smile
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 14 May 2021 13: 25
          +5
          Thank you very much for your honest answer. He confirmed my thoughts.
    3. ee2100
      ee2100 14 May 2021 13: 01
      +5
      In the 80s profanation prevailed. A guy came to us as a simple driver in 1982, before that he was the head of the trade union of a fairly decent motor depot, a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. For adherence to principles, he was re-elected to a more accommodating "what you please"
      Leaving he wrote a letter of resignation from the party. Only 4 years later, I learned that the party organizer paid the dues instead of him out of his own pocket.
      Yes, the most important thing was reports and contributions.
    4. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 14 May 2021 18: 28
      +3
      "Boys, imagine, she taught us a whole lesson that a husband should never give in in anything!" Stalinist hardening lady.

      Some kind of strange "Stalinist tempering". I found many people in childhood and adolescence, including those who worked at school under Stalin, they were different, both smart and stupid, but they never expressed such a thesis.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 18: 57
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        such a thesis has never been expressed.

        It is this thesis, probably purely her work, illustrating her basic life principles.
        But the fact that the lady is exactly "Stalinist hardening" is for sure. She is very executive, energetic and at the same time stupid, not versed in any issue, even in biology, which she taught, holding herself exclusively at the expense of administrative resources and political instinct.
        In the final exam in history, she was the chairman of the examination committee. Asked a question about "Molotkov's reforms", have you heard about such? So I found myself at a dead end. This, it turns out, is the post-war price cuts she had in mind. She had the word "reforms" stuck in her head, and Molotov and Malenkov merged into one.
        It was she who took out the earrings from the girls' ears, and since they resisted, it happened with blood, removed the rings from the fingers. I didn't touch our girls, but up to the eighth grade I arranged such shows ... "I've been at school for thirty years!" is her favorite phrase.
        In short, a gloomy character. A shard of a bygone era. How many people she has mutilated in these thirty years - even scary to think.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 14 May 2021 19: 29
          +2
          probably purely her work

          Well, this will be more accurate. We also had a thunderstorm of fashion girls - chemist Tsilya Solomonovna. I deliberately broke fine chalk and made the girls in miniskirts write higher (to the delight of all the boys in the class). And so, her next victim scratches the board with manicure nails, and Tsilya began a monologue: "You see, she does not think about studying, she only has dances in her mind, but in the Baltics, schoolgirls do not wear such outfits ..." , of course, she was very wrong - the outfits of schoolgirls in the Baltics were much more revealing than the outfits of our girls, and Tsili was clearly stuck in the head of the fashion of the early 50s. But the 70s had already begun. The girls endured - many were going to the medical institute, and there was no way to go there without chemistry. But Tsilya knew her subject and with terror pulled them to a pretty decent level.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 20: 10
            +2
            Your Tsilya Solomonovna at least did not touch anyone with her hands and knew her subject. And the head teacher, probably, was not - with such and such a name and patronymic.
            But this is also a "Stalinist hardening", of course. smile
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 May 2021 20: 53
              +2
              Because at one time she was also brought up - taught laughing
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 14 May 2021 21: 04
                +3
                But what about? We are all children of the era in which we were born and raised, whether we like it or not.
                I love to remember my childhood. The youth that came in the 90s is not very good, I do not want to think that these years have imprinted on me, and that I will live with this for the rest of my life, I mean concepts and ideas about life, and I love remembering childhood. Childhood was good. Correct.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 May 2021 22: 17
                  +3
                  By the way, in Soviet childhood, I like the presence of absolutely correct, non-material values ​​- self-development, achievements in the scientific and creative fields, self-expression through all of the above. And the build-up of GPP served as entertainment good
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 14 May 2021 22: 39
              +3
              Well, with such a name-patronymic, the head teachers also happened. And the director. And Tsilya knew the subject and knew how to hammer it in - after the next pair, she had to retake it every other day before lessons. Once even I got caught in a distribution - there was a question about reactions in different places of the blast furnace, but this was no longer in the new textbook. Tsilya worked according to an old textbook. When a third of the class received pairs (the last one on this list was me), she suddenly understood something and stopped asking, but she still had to retake the pair, there was no internet, of course, but there was TSB, where I found these reactions.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 May 2021 12: 03
    +4
    I think it was not so much about the increasing apoliticality - but about a combination of two factors.
    1) Increase since 1991 of heterogeneous "advertising and information" pressure on society. The average person has, in my opinion, a limit of attention, beyond which most of the incoming information that is not highly valuable for him will simply fly through. Hearing the familiar notes of advertising or political agitation, a person turns on protective mechanisms designed to protect the gray matter from waste of energy. Under the conditions of state monopoly, propaganda in the USSR often broke through this barrier not so much by the persistence of propagandists as by the uncontested volume, the presence of the same ideas under different sauces in different areas of life. The collapse of the union led to pluralism - incomparable in coverage with the Soviet one, in addition to the fact that part of the information niche was completely occupied by the ever-increasing background noise of advertising.
    2) General discrediting of the mechanisms of political dialogue - the most important issue of the collapse of the USSR was decided practically without taking into account the opinion of the people, despite the referendum and its results. The election campaigns were as dirty as possible, and the methods of the authorities in relation to political opponents (1993) could be completely undemocratic. The price of an issue is formed by its aggregate utility - in this case, the increase in apoliticality was associated with a drop in the price of the issue of the real benefit of being politicized. And there was little benefit there - the communists, who had a majority in the Duma, practically did not oppose the disintegration of the state, and the public policy itself often resembled a medieval farce - with fights, insults and shocking.
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 14 May 2021 12: 33
      +8
      "they practically did not oppose disintegration," but how could it be otherwise, after all, the CPSU of the 1991 model and the RCP (b) of the 1922 model are heaven and earth.
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  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 May 2021 12: 16
    +7
    Good day. "High-ranking" comrade Telegin "I have not seen this film for a long time and forgot a little, and Vyacheslav Olegovich does not remember at all that Telegin was a deputy and could not solve personnel issues.
    Over Ogurtsov stood their leaders. And the only thing Telegin could do was to express his opinion that Ogurtsov was out of place ..
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 18: 40
      -1
      Quote: Astra wild2
      And the only thing Telegin could do was to express his opinion that Ogurtsov was out of place ..

      Why didn't he express it?
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 15 May 2021 12: 28
        +1
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, and to whom was he supposed to tell, Ogurtsov?
        Ogurtsov, but realizes that Telegin can and tries to please him.
        Maybe I'm wrong, but in 1956: January 2 was a working day? In this case, Ogurtsov should break into a cake, but distract Telegin's thoughts
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 May 2021 15: 59
    +3
    The answer question is: what is it connected with? Poor quality rubber product # 2? Well, this is also an indicator ... of the poor quality of the economy.

    On this issue I can give an unambiguous interpretation. Probably, communist morality had advantages over bourgeois morality, but it was this morality that helped to educate the laymen in the field of sexual relations.
    The use of products No. 2, which could only be bought in a pharmacy, of which there were not so many in the 60s, asking the pharmacist in sight and hearing of the whole line of sufferers and patients ... Shame. As for the girls who were ready to enter into a relationship, they did not have those handbags with either the necessary set of hygiene products that are important in emergency cases, or contraceptives, respectively.
    This was the reason for the MASS appearance of "unexpected children" - unplanned children.
    ==========
    Forgive me for not being able to catch the thread of the topic amidst the confusion of thoughts. I didn't understand, an article - "you ask - we answer" or a postscript?
    With the conclusion, not everything is clear. Even:
    our society still consists of 80% of either peasants or peasants in the first or second generation

    but this does not mean at all that:
    Russians are a society ruled from above. And it will change very, very soon.

    Can you name the regions or regions of the USSR where the Hitlerite power that came with the beginning of the war was recognized as legitimate? There, in addition to violence and threats, they used more serious methods of "establishing power over ..."
    Okay. Let your conclusions and arguments be correct. Then name the countries where everything is different. Where there was no peasantry. Sorry. But until the twentieth century, everything in the world was based on the production of agricultural products. The industry was in its infancy.
    And further. In Siberia, it is hard to live by subsistence farming, although it is possible. Therefore, we tolerate. So far we endure.
  • kalibr
    14 May 2021 17: 10
    -4
    Quote: Gardamir
    write about happy TODAY

    About my happy today or about TODAY in general. To write about yours is only to cause envy. And oh, for everyone today - I can't either. Because at all I have always been, shall we say, deeply all the same. It was good for me with the scoop, over time it would become very good, it lasted further, but I am not bad even now. And how do you ... these are your problems. To each his own!
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 14 May 2021 17: 56
      +4
      And oh, for everyone today - I can't either. Because at all I have always been, shall we say, deeply all the same.

      It's a very strange reason why you don't write "about the present" for everyone. If you accept it, it is not clear why you write for everyone ... "about the past." After reading your book on Internet journalism, it seems that you have decided to take the path that is easier and more profitable for you.
      1. kalibr
        14 May 2021 18: 12
        -2
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        you have decided to take the path that is easier and more profitable for you.

        Sure. And what's wrong with that? Why storm a mountain head-on when you can get around it?
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 15 May 2021 12: 51
          +1
          Nothing bad. Just in the same book, you and the coauthors give a certain assessment to journalists who chose the easy way.
      2. kalibr
        14 May 2021 18: 24
        -2
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        why are you writing for everyone ... "about the past."

        There are documents. There are links to them. For today - only my personal opinion. I could be wrong! Therefore, I am not writing.
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 15 May 2021 13: 14
          +1
          For today - only my personal opinion.

          For yesterday - also only your personal opinion. Because
          I could be wrong!

          can also apply to your interpretation of documents of past years (not to mention the fact that there is generally a cumulative effect, since the compiler of the document of past years was also influenced by his personal opinion).
          Therefore, it seems to me, since there are still a lot of journalists who write "about today", then you could try. The very fact that you admit that you can be wrong is a sign that the information you are submitting "about today" will be verified information, as you will try to minimize the possibility of error by thinking about your reputation. And the fact that you are worried about the "missing" documents ... So it is not. But even if it were so, it still does not mean a lack of information. Only "about yesterday" you have to look for this very information in the archives, since society was fenced off from "unnecessary" information, now there is no problem in this - there is no censorship, there is no prosecution, statistics are published openly, information leaks are in the order of things (hello to Snowden comrades)
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 May 2021 17: 58
      0
      About my happy today

      Writer, journalist. Candidate of Historical Sciences, member of the Union of Journalists of the Russian Federation and the International Federation of Journalists.

      Was born in 1954 in Penza. Graduated in 1977 from the Department of History and Philology of the Penza State Pedagogical University named after V.I. V.G.Belinsky. From 1982 to the present, he has been working as a teacher at Penza State University.

      Since 1980, he has been constantly published in the magazines of the USSR: "Family and School", "School and Production", "Modelist-Constructor", "Tekhnika-Youth" and others.

      In 1991, Vyacheslav Shpakovsky created the first private magazine in Russia dedicated to the hobby - modeling of armored vehicles "Tankomaster". From 1998 to 2007 he was a member of the editorial board of the journal Technics and Armaments. From 2000 to the present, he has been a member of the editorial board of the World of Technology for Children magazine, since November 2013 - the European Journal of Social Sciences. V.O.Shpakovsky collaborates with magazines from Great Britain, Belgium, Czech Republic, USA, Australia, Japan, New Zealand, as well as Russian editions: History in Detail, Voprosy istorii, Historical Journal and others.

      Vyacheslav Shpakovsky is the author of 35 printed popular science and art works published in Russia, England and Germany, among them: "History of PR." (2005), "Tanks are universal and paradoxical" (2007), Modern English-language historiography of knightly weapons of the West and East (2012), "Modern Japanese advertising. This is how they do it there ... "(2012)," History of knightly weapons "(2013)," Samurai: the first complete encyclopedia "(2016).

      Laureate of the competition "The best scientific book of 2004" among teachers of higher educational institutions.
      1. kalibr
        14 May 2021 18: 20
        +1
        It's like that. And where have you dug it out? Only now 8 novels have also been published on the author website. today and in Singapore on the DREAM website. And in 2017, the book "The Most Famous Tanks of the World" was published. For some reason she's not on the list? There is no book "The Crusaders: The First Complete Encyclopedia" There are also no three textbooks on PR and advertising. And they are very interesting. Besides, two are collective work. I'm not alone there. And I've been retired for three years now. It's over with VS!
  • depressant
    depressant 14 May 2021 17: 11
    +2
    The second general type of modern propaganda, based on the first (terrorist attack) and as its continuation - epidemics.
    The American film "Epidemic" with Hoffman and Russo, the first swallow of this sequence of films, was watched by me a long time ago, I really liked it, I thought: "Cool! That's what Hollywood is - grabs at any topic, just to watch." But it did not even occur to me that it was not just that, it was a movie, that this was a special order acting on the subconscious of a person. What was the message to the subconscious? Exposing the military? Yes, the man in the street does not care! An epidemic went into the subconscious.
    If major terrorist attacks drive an overly loose, completely democratized and therefore excessively pretentious society into a state of a kind of watchful discipline, into the understanding that it is necessary to shrink in some of its rights for the sake of one's own and general safety, then the epidemic drives everyone into fear of death, and at the same time into the understanding that now it will be necessary to shrink in rights more than seriously, and society is disassembled into separate human atoms. Dissociation is the goal!
    The first type of propaganda (major terrorist attacks) and its second type (epidemics) smoothly lead to the idea of ​​the need to strengthen the security of mankind not only through disunity, but also through total control of the authorities over the life of each individual person - a complete and absolute dossier. Nobody can hide, you are like a dadoni. But it’s safe!
    There was an epidemic in 2012, sort of. I remember that I was very sick with the flu for 2 days, on the third - like a fresh cucumber, I did not attach much importance. Nobody attached much importance to, you think, seasonal flu, though somewhat more massive and severe than before. I had to repeat it for persuasiveness.
    And to make a huge number of "convincing" films about the virus and epidemics.
    1. kalibr
      14 May 2021 18: 22
      +2
      Watch "Tail Wags the Dog" with Dustin Hoffman and the English TV series "Absolute Power".
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 May 2021 18: 34
        +2
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I will definitely look.
  • depressant
    depressant 14 May 2021 20: 45
    +2
    The third type of modern propaganda is the creation of fake events that form negative public opinion directed against some objectionable political person.
    First, a false fact is created, which spreads like fire around the world in the news, then it is long and stubbornly savoring and sucked by the press until the false event is hammered into the consciousness of the layman as a real one. So much so that you will not find the ends later, asking yourself the question: truth or fiction?
    There are many examples: this is a test tube of powder that made it possible to unleash a war against Syria, the poisoning of the Skripals, Navalny, the so-called "White Helmets" with their theatrical performances of the death and suffering of children from the bombing, the ominous figures of Petrov and Bashirov as Putin's agents, and there - - who knows, whose agents and agents they are in general, or maybe just carriers of goods stolen by officials, or documents; it is also a harassment capable of overthrowing even the president. The world man in the street listens to the "pitiful babble of justification" gloatingly - he is never on the side of a political victim! And the respected creator of the fake project will stand his ground to the end. The truth, which will be revealed much later - the one that refutes the event, is no longer interesting to anyone. Public opinion, even with a grain of salt, has been formed. You can only go to court. But the international court will decide the case in favor of the fake. For the evidence base of the fake was not formed by fools at all, and the court was also engaged. As a result, the victim who is attacked is always the loser. Now that's the only way. Are you innocent? Means nothing - such is the pun.
    The time has come when the meanness of a communal apartment en masse passed into the category of big politics.
  • depressant
    depressant 15 May 2021 09: 58
    0
    It is a pity that the discussion focused only on the propaganda of the past, and about the more modern and advanced one, it turns out, only me, and my opinions did not become the subject of discussions or at least additions.
    But I have identified for myself three more types of modern and even future propaganda, much more effective than the three previous ones mentioned. These subsequent ones are effective in that if the previous ones (terrorist attack, epidemic, fake event) are aimed at the layman who is not inclined to analysis, and rely on events in which no one "held a candle" - believe it, you want to doubt whether it was in general, and therefore require powerful support from the partisan media, then the next three hit the squares, convincingly covering everyone with their pseudo-reliability.

    4. Propaganda by contradiction.
    This is when you are stunned, you deny with foam at the mouth, thereby affirming. Go to "Publicist"! There is not even a howl, there is a roar "Putin so and so, friends, palace, Navalny, etc." And through, as if unobtrusive, it means passing consciousness, which means acting directly on the subconscious of everyone (both smart and stupid - everyone!)
    "Never - do you hear? - he will never go away!"
    And now the chorus from the song about Lenin is connected by the subconscious with Putin:

    Putin is always alive
    Putin is always with you
    Putin is in you and in me

    Well, or something like that. And the slogan "Putin lived, Putin is alive, Putin will live!"
    Yes, Putin's opponents say and nod their heads importantly, you know, he is such a wobbly and everyone knows that, but he won't go away! And this is said in passing, as if by the way, as they say about a long-resolved issue that is no longer a basis for discussion. The question is not relevant, because it has been resolved. Consciousness is still swaggering, and the subconscious is pulling back: "Well, stop it! Do you have a very bad life? Well, how will it leave! And what will happen, huh?"
    In parentheses, I note that Putin is working within the framework of the global trend for the almost complete destruction of small and medium-sized businesses that are not associated with large industrial production, and the complete nationalization of large industrial production, and also Prime Minister Mishustin and the State Duma are working for this, who have already taken an ordinary citizen into unbearable ticks of laws and digitalization, building up the trend. They are the collective Putin who will not go anywhere. Not these, so others. Putin is a designation of a method of government within the boundaries established not by the ordinary population of our country, but by those who are not at all a secret world government, but the "captains" of new types of international corporate enterprises, their names are heard, as well as their trillions. The economic order is changing, and the task of the collective Putin is to keep the country from exploding. And the global tendency to change the economic order keeps him, collective, or drives up the first types of propaganda that I mentioned with the reins, directing our wobbling run in the right direction.
    For the tendency to change the economic order, I repeat, is global, it is the same that I described for our country.

    Well, and further:

    5. Using the necessary episodes with similar people to discredit, or create a positive image of a particular person with subsequent correction of the image based on his, person's, biometric data.
    Addressable.
    Do you think why we will require these biometric data and include them in plastic passports? Don't have a bad bio? Our omission! We will create it for you! So don't rock the boat! Do not agree? Wash yourself, hehe, through the court.
    Will hit everyone.
    This is already targeted propaganda aimed at each individual person in order to form the necessary power of his, person, behavior.

    6. The same as in clause 5, but only an absolutely reliable episode created by artificial intelligence that can discredit any politician. It is difficult, dangerous and therefore very expensive, because it should direct not just an individual person, even the president of the country, to the right political side (stall), but an entire country with military potential.
  • Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 15 May 2021 13: 00
    0
    how long ago I wrote about
    1. Mother Theresa
      Mother Theresa 15 May 2021 19: 02
      +1
      Glitch and not uninstall.
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 May 2021 19: 38
        +1
        Do not be upset, colleague, it happens! hi )))
        You will write more!
  • mister-red
    mister-red 13 June 2021 16: 35
    0
    I went in the comments You are absolutely right. In the USSR, almost everyone who had at least something of value at hand stole. Before the army, I happened to work as a loader at a meat-packing plant in the regional center. “Officially,” every working day, I and other employees of the plant openly carried in their hands packages wrapped in paper. The package could contain anything: meat, boiled pork, smoked sausage.
    We, the movers, preferred peppercorns. In our area, it was sold by the piece by the pea. At the checkpoint, the packages were not opened, the guards weighed them on the arm, and very accurately caught up to 100 grams. If the package weighed no more than 1 kg, go quietly. In addition, good volumes of the stolen deficit were taken out of the plant by drivers who came to buy meat. They had hidden secrets in their cars, in which they hid scarce meat and smoked meats they received from us. The carriers paid half the price for the product, and we did not have to risk carrying out such volumes. Now imagine how many were stolen per day on a national scale. I, a loader, with an official salary of 150 rubles, went to and from work by taxi. And every other day I went with the young creatures to the tavern. "


    Of course, it is hard to believe in this, but of course they stole. And they worked badly. But I worked at a military plant, they produced microcircuits. Being late for work more than 1 minute - deprivation of progress. Take out something - well, yes, I was an adjuster, microcircuits, transistors - not everything could be bought in a store .. But this is very moderate. Product quality - microcircuits with the VP index (military device) for missiles, airplanes, etc., with a release of tens of thousands per month (maybe more), for many years not a single complaint. Once again - not a single defective microcircuit in many years. I thought many times that if all factories worked at this level, we would definitely have built communism)