A large batch of new BMP-3 entered service with the army corps in Kaliningrad

A large batch of new BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles entered service with the Western Military District. The press service of the Western Military District announced the arrival of the equipment.

According to the report, the batch of BMP-3 entered service with the motorized rifle regiment of the army corps of the Baltic fleetstationed in Kaliningrad. In total, 30 combat vehicles were delivered to the regiment as part of the state defense order in accordance with the rearmament plan for modern models of military equipment.

The BMP-3 received a new chassis, engine, weapon system, hydromechanical transmission, crew protection was significantly increased. (...) water jets are installed on the machine (...)

- said in a statement.

It is reported that the regiment's servicemen have already begun to master the new equipment and soon the infantry fighting vehicles will be involved in the combat training of personnel.

Earlier, the military department confirmed plans for rearmament from BMP-2 to BMP-3 units and subdivisions of the Western Military District. Rearmament will depend on the rate of delivery of new and modernized vehicles. In addition, it was announced about the further modernization of the BMP-3 with the installation of a new engine and observation devices.

The BMP-3M infantry fighting vehicle is armed with a 100mm gun - a 2A70 launcher with a 30mm 2A72 automatic cannon and a 7,62mm PKTM machine gun. BMP is designed to transport personnel to the front line, increase the mobility, armament and security of military personnel on the battlefield in conditions of the use of nuclear weapons and joint action with tanks in battle.

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[xorek]

the security of servicemen on the battlefield in the context of the use of nuclear weapons and joint actions with tanks in battle.

Good news, otherwise the West is getting impudent and impudent .. I hope not 30 pieces!

[Okolotochny]

A total of 30 combat vehicles were delivered to the regiment.

I shouldn't have hoped. So far, exactly 30 pieces))

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: xorek

Good news, otherwise the West is getting impudent and impudent .. I hope not 30 pieces!

They will test it on the battalion. They will conduct a BTU, look at the pros and cons of operation.

[Barberry25]

The BMP-3 is not the machine that needs to be tested .. it is banal there are production rates .. I am personally interested in the question of how to equip the BMP-3 not with a 100 mm low ballistic cannon, but at least an average one, with the ability to fire armor-piercing projectiles ..

[Alex777]

I am personally interested in the question .. equipping the BMP-3 ... with a cannon .., with the ability to fire armor-piercing shells ..

But why?

[Barberry25]

because BMP can work on tanks and BMP of the enemy either with OFS or with anti-tank units .. there are KAZ against anti-tank vehicles, and offices, in fact, are the same as calling art. support ... but here is the opportunity to get a tool that will knock out any NATO BMP with a guarantee and even break a tank ... and get a massively interesting thing ... it would be worthwhile to think that this would create a universal tool than switching to 57 mm C- 60, because if you put the speed gun at 57 mm, then you need to solve the problem of fragmentation, and then either put a 40 mm AGS, or a 23 mm anti-aircraft gun ... but it is better to do both ... But you also need to buy ammunition, and 100 mm armor-piercing in warehouses is enough

[Alex777]

BMP is BMP, and SPRUT is SPRUT.
Tasks are different and do not need to be indiscriminate.

but the opportunity to get a tool that with a guarantee will disable any NATO BMP and even break a tank can ...

"Chrysanthemum" to help you. It will break everyone.

if you put the speed gun at 57 mm, then you need to solve the problem of fragmentation, and then either put a 40 mm AGS, or a 23 mm anti-aircraft gun ... and it is better to do both.

Will you carry fighters or ammunition to the BMP?

[Barberry25]

But what will be the point in Octopus if I have 40 cannons in a battalion a la like a tank? Does it make sense to have one company of "almost tanks"?

[Barberry25]

Chrysanthemum, Octopus ... and there you still need BMPT to pull up and Acacia ... well, for a guarantee ... or think about modernization with the installation of a medium-caliber gun ... or is it not customary for the military to think at all? A head to wear a helmet? And yes ... How many Octopuses do we have for motorized riflemen? And how many will they deliver this year? Oh yes ... zero point zero tenths ... and those Chrysanthemums are almost nothing from the word ... bought a couple of batches and poke them at all exercises ... by the way .. It turns out that the BMP-2m is the wrong BMP .. because there they also installed the AGS and hung 4 guns .. and the Epoch with 57 mm LShO module is also wrong .. and the BMP-3 itself is wrong ... after all, they dared to put 100 mm and 30 mm together ?! ... probably the generals boozed for a week after learning that this could be done ... but you can continue to giggle ..

[Alex777]

... or is it not customary for the military to think at all? head to wear a helmet?

... probably the generals boozed for a week after learning that this could be done ...

I, of course, wildly apologize, but who were you in the army? Were you someone?
Here I am, for example, a reserve officer. Who are you?

[Barberry25]

and I'm not a reserve officer, that's why I'm clarifying this aspect .. Here you are crucifying about "yes there are Octopuses" .. only they are not, "there are Chrysanthemums" - there are not very many of them either + KAZ tends to develop ... And yes .. it turns out very interesting .. that instead of exploring the possibility, we need to attach a self-propelled gun to the BMP, which stands like a tank .. Thinking according to the charter is not supposed, or what? If the generals suggested! By the way .. It turns out that according to your logic, BMP-3 has no right to exist .. or a 100 mm cannon on it is wrong, because there is a "Rapier" and "Carnation" ...

[Alex777]

A flag in your hands, a drum on your neck, a horn in your teeth and a wind in your back.

[Barberry25]

That's what I'm talking about ... that at first there is a lot of ambition in the style of "yes, I'm a reserve officer", but as you start to figure it out, "oh everything" right away ... But you can wait for Octopus ...

[Alex777]

I urge others not to get personal and I myself try to adhere to this.
Have you seen your rating? It reflects the importance of your opinion to site visitors.
Good luck to you!

[Barberry25]

and all the best to you

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The rating does not say anything, some absolutely accurate and in fact posts will be bypassed en masse.
And you can work specifically for the rating by writing out obviously toothless in everything correct messages.

[Alex777]

And you can work specifically for the rating

I do not do that. I write what I think.
I grab the cons, of course. )))

[NEOZ]

Quote: Alex777

I do not do that. I write what I think.
I grab the cons, of course. )))

hahahahah !!!!!
I’m all in the minuses ... probably should be more populist

[Alex777]

And why do we need pluses if they are received for adjusting to something that you yourself don’t believe in?
To nothing. I have already proven everything in my life.
Now, if you managed to convey something to people, share knowledge and get advantages for interesting communication - this makes sense.
Therefore, in particular, I do not tolerate the transition to personalities. It's not interesting.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The topic with the 100 mm cannon on the BMP-3 has been studied far and wide. Through it, an ATGM is conveniently launched, but now the 100 mm diameter of the rocket is not enough to destroy the frontal armor of NATO tanks. Therefore, they want to abandon it in favor of an automatic smaller caliber. 30 mm is too weak against the BMP of a potential enemy. Therefore, they are considering installing a 57 mm low ballistic cannon and larger ATGMs outside the turret. A high ballistic cannon requires a stronger and more massive body and more space for large ammunition.

[Barberry25]

Alas, it has not been studied ... from the word at all, because the question has not been worked out by anyone and never ..

[NEOZ]

Quote: Barberry25

Alas, it has not been studied ... from the word at all, because the question has not been worked out by anyone and never.

Do you have any positive comments? from you completely negative ...

[Barberry25]

it all depends on the topic)

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You are fundamentally wrong, there was an article, like in a certain military bulletin, from about 93, where what I have outlined briefly is described in more detail. There is no way to search now, but the article is definitely in the public domain.

[Barberry25]

1) no one forbids placing cornets outside the turret, 2) about the strength of the Octopus's hull, it is also not very strong, but it allows you to place a 125 mm cannon, 3) the placement of a 100 mm gun was once worked out at object 685 ... i.e. ... in fact on the same bmp-3

.. The fact is that very often they follow the path of concessions, which leads to the fact that they do not solve the problem at all.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The 57 mm cannon, in theory, even at low ballistics, allows mines in the air to be shot down on approach. Remote firing, of course. It will be possible to fight with small drones at low altitudes.
The prospects are good, but it looks like they are not worked out, and therefore the module is not yet in action.
And an infantry fighting vehicle with a powerful tank cannon is no longer an infantry fighting vehicle, there will be nowhere to deploy troops.

[Barberry25]

does not allow ... because these are dances with tambourines with attempts to give birth to an incomprehensible little animal .. about "nowhere to carry" - there is a place there, as now, the seating arrangement will be .. And it is very touching "to put a gun, you can not, but let's make an anti-aircraft gun from a low-speed cannon but what .. because we have a lot of time and money to be perverted ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

In vain you are so, threats from the air are growing from year to year in the most perverted form, anti-aircraft capabilities may soon come to the fore, if they have not already come out.
And the existing 30mm caliber is a very poor helper in the fight against air threats.

[Barberry25]

57 mm LSHO is not suitable as an anti-aircraft gun due to the limited ammunition and low speed of the projectile ... Therefore, if, nevertheless, a KAZ with a radar capable of accompanying mines is installed on the BMP, then it is objectively easier to place the fired ammunition in the smoke boxes or fire a burst of 30 mm guns, how to be perverted .. And about the "tactical moment" .. where I indicated that there is a rejection of the 30 mm cannon? "cunning barmaley" .. what will prevent him from flanking and hitting? Oh yes .. infantry cover .. and head-on to work from a couple of hundred meters from the RPG .. rather difficult .. and yes .. "the gunner was distracted by reloading." .you in the BMP Negro Joe for the gunner and loader? And apparently it also serves three PCTs?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

What, however, you have a conflicting set.
The 30 mm cannon does not have enough charge power to detonate or deflect a mine. And getting straight from it is almost impossible.
Despite the small amount of ammunition, it was the 57 mm low ballistics cannon that was supposed to deal with mines.
And do not be surprised that the gunner is loading the gun, and the commander will not necessarily be there. Even while the automatic loader is operating, shooting will be impossible.
There is no separate remote machine-gun module on the "Bakhcha" either. And who will control it if the commander leaves the car?
And what does the sight have to do with it?
Come on board? The BMP may well stand with its side towards the attackers, but with a turret facing them.
I come to you with a specific description of the process, I you to me with a set of nonsense and a Negro-loader, somehow it’s not good.

[Barberry25]

1) about the commander and the blind, busy gunner - if the gunner DOES NOT SEE the RPG calculation, then they will not be able to hit, so the sentence about "the gunner will not see" .. 2) mine action .. this is certainly cool .. especially thanks to their own soldiers, when, in fact, 57 mm shells along with mines begin to burst over their heads .. 3) at the moment of loading, work is impossible, but again, three machine guns are busy and cannot shoot? and yes ... very nice about "what if the commander leaves the car", and if he does not leave? You are not with a specific description of the process, but with an attempt to come up with a situation that suits the idea born in your head, and not realities ... A simple question ... why did your infantry cover oversleep the RPG calculation?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I tell you about the shortcomings of the large-caliber non-automatic gun, and you tell me about the infantry crew.
And yes, the landing party and the commander do leave the car, sometimes.
I cannot describe exactly the charging process in the Bakhcha module, I have no such experience, but I suspect that the vehicle commander will not be able to do anything at the time of reloading.
And even about the defeat by the fragments from the gap at the height is generally nonsense. Who told you that the gap will happen directly over your own heads?

[Barberry25]

"I can't describe it exactly," but in order not to merge with my "brilliant situation" I will ignore THREE PKT in BMP-3 ... By the way, what do you have a gunner and a mechanic do not leave the car? Let the empty one stand in the middle of the battle ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Ostap suffered?
Yes, the landing party leaves the car, and there will be no one behind the course machine guns in the described situation, and it is not a fact that it is possible to fire from the course machine gun as efficiently as from a coaxial one, if only because of the limited angle of fire and view.
And this is not a brilliant situation, but a very specific one, which you either understand or cannot imagine, due to unknown reasons.

[Barberry25]

1) if the landing party left the car, then the landing party is nearby and looks around, 2) if the gunner saw the enemy's RPG, then he fires from a coaxial machine gun .. About "you can't understand" this is for you, you don't know how a coaxial machine gun works, but not me ... And yes .. what do we have there "make an anti-aircraft gun out of LSHO" .. will there be a link?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Well, look at the tank biathlon, how the tank gun is being reloaded, evaluate whether it is possible at this moment to shoot from a coaxial machine gun. And it looks like it's not me, but someone else has absolutely no idea of ​​firing from a coaxial machine gun.
I have never seen a video with BMP-3 reloading, but, I suppose, the process is similar, with minor variations on manual reloading.

[Barberry25]

and yes, since it was "presumed", then please link ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Seek and find. In such situations, for free, but with such an opponent's ambition, I do not work.

[Barberry25]

if translated into Russian, I have no idea if there is such information .. but in order not to drop my face into the mud .. I will write that you are a chopper and I will not look .. Well, if you don’t know, then don’t write nonsense ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I know, but for free on Wednesdays, I don’t serve for lazy people.

[Barberry25]

do not serve yourself? well, well) we will assume that your drain is valid

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I will add one more small tactical moment. To fire, the same grenade launcher needs to get ready for shooting, that is, to substitute himself for the time of aiming under a coaxial machine gun or small-caliber cannon, because the gunner-operator is constantly watching the battlefield. And the barmaley are so inventive that they can try to catch the moment right after firing a large-caliber gun. They can gain 2-3 seconds, while the gunner is distracted and reloads, make ready, aim and shoot.
But with an automatic cannon, albeit a medium caliber, such a number will no longer work.
For the same reason, some customers insist on a separate machine gun module remotely controlled by the vehicle commander, especially on tanks, while the machine gun positions the gun and reloads.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is how they are trying to invent the Epoch module with a 57 mm low ballistics cannon, and they have been trying for many years now.

[Barberry25]

Only again in the style of giving birth is not clear what is the point in 57 mm lsho, if the infantry and so Bakhcha works quite effectively ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The high-explosive effect of 30 mm ammunition on infantry is weak. The 100 mm gun has a long reload time and mediocre ballistic performance. A burst of 57 mm ammunition delivers a significantly larger amount of explosive to the target than 30 and 100 mm combined; in addition, anti-aircraft capabilities with remote detonation of ammunition are also planned.
All this is described in the public domain.

[Alex777]

"Epoch" with 57 mm low ballistics cannon

The Rams were beguiled by the edges ...

57mm is a high ballistic cannon. Yeah.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There are different cannons.

[Barberry25]

Only for the Epoch is the LSHO-57 with low ballistics, for the topvar's experts I will give a photo of a gun with low ballistics and high

[xorek]

Quote: Okolotochny

A total of 30 combat vehicles were delivered to the regiment.

I shouldn't have hoped. So far, exactly 30 pieces))

As I guessed that)))) Yes, "big party" ..

[Okolotochny]

Vitaly, you are a medium ... or unique)))

[xorek]

Quote: Okolotochny

Vitaly, you are a medium ... or unique)))

Yes, it seems that some call it a clown and call someone else I'm not offended by them ..

[Devyatomayets]

Not bad, although the car is thirty years old. It would be better to buy the T-15.

[Vadim237]

The main question is when will the Kurganets and Boomerang troops go to replace the BMP 2 and BTR 80

[Devyatomayets]

I'm afraid by the time Nata will be flying on anti-gravity transporters covered with energy shields.

[kot423]

Quote: Devyatomayets

I'm afraid by the time Nata will be flying on anti-gravity transporters covered with energy shields.

Are you the grandson of Vanga, or does Gayropa write reports to you every week?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Devyatomayets

I'm afraid by the time Nata will be flying on anti-gravity transporters covered with energy shields.

Yes Yes. Great Britain will not fly Tempestach, the Germans will ride the MGCS, and the Americans will finish the Zamwolts.

[Alex777]

... and the Americans will finish the Zamvolta.

A good joke!

[Vsevolod]

I recommend Google a good psychiatrist, boy, no matter how Kazan history repeats itself with you.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Devyatomayets

I'm afraid by the time Nata will be flying on anti-gravity transporters covered with energy shields.

Yeah, Musk will launch the death star one of these days. Have you seen enough of Star Wars?

[Chief Engineer]

Adopted in service since 1987 Hmm ... almost new.

[Tahtvjd2868]

When will they go to the Far East ?? There is also a BMP-1 you can safely meet !!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

So already, I missed it, I didn’t organize a ceremonial meeting!
https://topwar.ru/181550-na-zamenu-bmp-2-krupnaja-partija-novyh-bmp-3-postupila-na-vooruzhenie-morskoj-pehoty-tof.html

[Ros 56]

Who was going to fight there, with salmon?

[Alex777]

Alas, there is someone there. You cannot name them aloud, but they are there.

[Ros 56]

Everyone who is there has been known for a long time, they even know all the crabs in the face, but Asians for us are all the same to the same person.

[JonnyT]

Eh, I remember I was in Kaliningrad, flew back with demobels by the marines, got into a conversation and they said that the equipment is all old rubbish, a layer of paint is thicker than armor))) you eat 50 meters, push 500 meters. They say that the technology has used up the resource, and the new one is not sent so that the neighbors do not bother, they say that there is no talk of militarization.
6 years ago it was. I hope the situation has improved now

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Combat training vehicles are like that everywhere.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles should be equipped with KAZ, in modern conditions, without this, there is no other way for the enemy's DRG or helicopters to burn on the way to the battlefield.

An infantry fighting vehicle can be seen even in the field from kilometers away, but you cannot see a calculation with an ATGM even from 100 meters.

[Vadim237]

All modern NATO ATGMs hit the roof - Russia has no KAZ against them except smoke and aerosol curtain systems.

[Alex777]

All modern NATO ATGMs hit the roof - Russia has no KAZ against them

And who has a KAZ from those who hit the roof?

[Vadim237]

We do not even have such anti-tank systems - 30 years have passed since the Javelins made the 3rd generation in the USA. The Israelis created the 4th. The French and the USA already created the 5th ground-based and air-based systems, and in this regard, we use nothing at all with Bassoon Contests and Cornets of 2 and 2+ generations.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Sometimes in the smoke and dust and at 500 meters you can't see anything.

[Ros 56]

And on each, on the bottom from below, it is written - a big hello to the lyakham. Let them climb and see for themselves.

[Petro_tut]

A total of 30 combat vehicles were delivered to the regiment.

a long road into the dunes - a machine developed over 30 years ago, only now it has come to the western frontier ...

[Evil 55]

"The BMP-3M infantry fighting vehicle is armed with a 100-millimeter gun - a 2A70 launcher with a 30-millimeter 2A72 automatic cannon and a 7,62-mm PKTM machine gun" .... Excuse me, where else are two course PKT?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I don't know for sure, but they could have removed it to increase buoyancy, like even the version had loopholes sealed on the sides for increased buoyancy and as unnecessary.

[Evil 55]

So there are stubs ...

[SiberianGun]

I have been following the topic of modern armored vehicles for a long time. It is no secret that our "Soviet" armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles have very poor security that does not meet modern standards. The increase in security entails an increase in mass and a number of problems.
In Russia, developments are being carried out on the basis of significantly heavier platforms than the "Soviet" ones.
We need to find some more ingenious solutions. Russian developers tip: try to split functions.
There is experience in creating armored vehicles for infantry - the same Merkava. This is a tank that can carry infantry. It was also developed for this purpose. And the idea is clear - to really protect the infantry, that is, the contents. And not to carry them in "iron coffins". After all, one accurate ATGM and several people can die.
But armor like the Merkava poses a big problem with mass. Therefore, in order to lighten the vehicle as much as possible, maybe it is worth making a purely armored hull without weapons? Without various "holes" (scopes, etc.). Armor, landing place, engine.
Roomy, armored, inconspicuous silhouette (height, width, can be made longer), high-speed on tracks.
Maximum savings on weapons and other means of detection, etc. Can a mass of 20-30 tons be made? Yes, the armor of such a transporter should be no worse than that of a modern tank.
And with such armored personnel carriers, the same terminators, robots and tanks can be launched through one. This will be an attacking fist. Modern.

[Vadim237]

Considering what is happening with Boomerang and Kurganets, the Ministry of Defense will most likely not buy them, the terms are constantly shifted, and the cars turned out to be much more expensive than the same BMP 3 from us, and Typhoons U and K are not particularly bought.