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Name of the weapon with which the attack on the school in Kazan was carried out

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Some details of today's tragedy in Kazan are becoming known. Let us remind you that the Kazan gymnasium No. 175 was attacked. Shooting was opened in the school building, an explosion thundered. Information on the number of victims of the terrorist attack changed literally every 5-10 minutes.

At the moment, it is known that there were several attackers. One of them was detained by riot policemen in the school building, where he, presumably, opened fire. His name and age are revealed. This is 19-year-old Ilnaz Galyaviev. The reports say that this person is a graduate of the 175th gymnasium in Kazan. At the end of April, he was expelled from the local college at the University of Management - and from the 4th year. Classmates said that for a long time he studied well, but suddenly stopped attending classes. According to other sources, Galyaviev was a 2nd year student.

Data is presented that Galyaviev has recently been active on his Telegram channel, where he declared his readiness to "kill a lot of biomass, since this is a mistake of the Universe." At the same time, the terrorist compared himself to God, declaring that he wants "recognition from those around him as slaves."

It is noteworthy that the attacker published this post about a little over an hour before the shooting at the school.

It is reported that the Kazan police have also detained the alleged accomplice of the terrorist attack on the Kazan school. It is a certain Ramil M. born in 1980.

Another participant in the attack on an educational institution, according to some information, was eliminated by the soldiers of the special forces unit.

However, other data is published on the network. On their basis, the attacker was alone, acting without accomplices.

According to the official data of the Ministry of Health of the Republic of Tatarstan, 8 people, including the teacher, were killed in the attack on the gymnasium. The reports say that all the victims are 8th grade students. At least 20 people were injured. Among the injured and killed there are students who jumped out of the school windows.

Six children are currently in serious condition at the Children's Republican Clinical Hospital of Tatarstan.

The head of Tatarstan at the scene:



An emergency meeting of the republican anti-terrorist commission is being held today in connection with the emergency in Kazan. May 12 is declared a day of mourning in the republic.

The footage from the school, which appeared on the network after the tragedy, suggests that the explosion knocked out the doors in several offices at once. Debris of wood, plastic and plaster were everywhere.

Footage of the alleged offender detained:



In connection with the attack on the school, the President of Russia was instructed to tighten the legislation related to the turnover weapons.

According to media reports, the attackers used Turkish-made Hatsan ESCORT pump-action shotguns. Such weapons in our country can be purchased for about 25-30 thousand rubles. According to some reports, a similar weapon was used at one time by Roslyakov, who at one time staged a massacre in Kerch College.
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  1. SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 11 May 2021 13: 47
    +52
    this person is a graduate of the 175th gymnasium in Kazan.
    Is this a man after what he has done ..?
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 May 2021 13: 54
      +113
      One of the detained maniac killers is 19 years old, the other is 40 years old.
      It would be correct to execute both terrorists by hanging!

      The moratorium on executions for terrorists in this regard should be abolished in the Russian Federation.
      1. SERGE ANT
        SERGE ANT 11 May 2021 13: 56
        +85
        For such crimes, especially against children, the death penalty could be restored, plus terrorism and high treason.
        1. For example
          For example 11 May 2021 15: 05
          +47
          Put on a stake in the square.
          So that others can see how their lives will end in the event of an attack on children.

          And broadcast to the whole world.

          Let them see that the Russians will be executed in public for attacking their children.

          All terrorists must be executed in public.

          Decided to go against the people?, Know - the people will tear you to pieces on the square.

          Nits.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 12 May 2021 06: 04
            +1
            Quote: For example
            Put on a stake in the square.

            Are you talking about the Boy - Minister?
            Sincerely
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        2. Looking for
          Looking for 11 May 2021 16: 12
          -25%
          and who told you. that such "processed" value their life. It is necessary to look at the root, if there was no disregard for the circulation of weapons in the country. With what would he go to kill, with a slingshot. What? And this is only one of the parties problemmy.A in general, I will tell you so-wanted demoktatii.freedom-EAT FROM THE POUSE.
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 32
            +14
            Quote: Seeker
            It is necessary to gaze at the root, if the country did not have a disregard for the circulation of weapons. With what would he go to kill, with a slingshot. What is it?
            Bandits always have weapons. Even in the Brezhnev USSR (the quietest time) was.
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            2. boni592807
              boni592807 12 May 2021 17: 27
              +2
              Personal opinion - hi
              1. It is not a weapon that shoots, man shoots. (Kalashnikov)
              2. Characteristics of the "performer"-" ... a quiet boy, all in a PC ... "+ har-ka from college -" at first I studied well, then ... "that is, I was almost 4 years old .... and". .. suddenly AGAIN! ". It is necessary to look with whom he communicated in the internet. see the youngsters who were" hooked "by the Natsik from Oh, Krajina. The plans coincide ...
              3. He graduated from high school and almost 4 years of college, collected a self-propelled gun, strive to provide himself with an alibi for the sick and psychotic. The actions were well thought out, he was clearly not going to die "heroically" ... That was clearly, he was thinking about "retreat".
              Сonclusion and personal conclusions:
              - absence ideology, education, the cult of the consumer, uncontrolled information (from the "Blue Whale", drugs and ...), corruption with indifference. wassat
              -But, if, then suddenly someone will show "excessive activity" (caring) then you can get, from "snitching - to cases when" pulling out "from under the" lovers of children ", the protection of loved ones, can be obtained for "out of proportion". It recalls the decline of the USSR, after the attack on the army in Tbilisi, the events in Vilnius and the "rascal" Rust. Taking responsibility then got gnarled, like .. negative
              - now not popular opinion, - the danger of getting an "answer", even supposedly non-adyquats very "stimulates" to mental activity (NO_YA_) angry see the Internet - when we "ran up" from gopots to bandits with weapons on the counter ... And about an example. not in the evening of the aforementioned USA, when BLM activists came to "teach" (to rob, destroy the house and property, bring the "whites" to their knees), a husband and wife with a gun and a short-barrel "calmed" the crowd and possibly saved, not only their own but also a life of itself. Impunity "WINGS" and "stimulates" ..... It is not funny when he calls, incl. Mr. Zhirinovsky to establish an armed guard (Rosgvardia) of everything (from schools and ...), but education, as in the army they always taught (Install-Bring -Requireb) it was necessary for a long time yesterday.
              hi
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 11 May 2021 22: 07
            +8
            Did he also legally acquire an explosive device?
            1. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 11 May 2021 23: 22
              +3
              Did he also legally acquire an explosive device?
              yeah, I bought a bag of fertilizers in the general store and a set of a young chemist in the collector ... And the bolts in the building market ...
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 11 May 2021 23: 36
                +1
                Get well. He also legally acquired the finished explosive device.
                1. -Dmitry-
                  -Dmitry- 12 May 2021 02: 52
                  +2
                  Well, if the IED can still be somehow collected from the funds that can be purchased, then the weapon is unlikely to be made. He bought it, and legally.
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 12 May 2021 18: 53
                    0
                    Even as a child, I collected primitive self-propelled guns, it is good that I could not chemize a decent propellant charge, I did not hurt anyone and I myself was whole (except laughing ) remained.
          3. Local from the Volga
            Local from the Volga 13 May 2021 13: 49
            0
            wrong site searcher!
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 May 2021 14: 35
        +17
        Quote: Tatiana
        It would be correct to execute both terrorists by hanging!

        Moreover, not by the neck
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 11 May 2021 15: 55
          +2
          Only a wheel and a cauldron of boiling oil ... with a show on youtube and in instagram with a limit of +16, as the younger generation loves!
      3. Torins
        Torins 11 May 2021 14: 38
        -43%
        For them, death is usually not God knows what fear. Better to distribute weapons to teachers. And they will be able to protect against a terrorist and discipline in schools will rise.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 May 2021 14: 39
          +25
          Quote: Torins
          Better hand out weapons to teachers

          Children will be shot. There, too, a bulk of people ... with an unstable psyche
          1. For example
            For example 11 May 2021 15: 09
            +16
            Quote: Torins
            Better to distribute weapons to teachers.


            Turn on what's in your skull.

            Children at school.

            Apparently you have no children, since you are offering children at gunpoint.

            Where do you come from?
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 11 May 2021 16: 00
              +9
              Children at school.

              Apparently you have no children, since you are offering children at gunpoint.

              Maybe it's better to introduce compulsory courses in shooting and self-defense and free for teachers and ambulance and firefighting crews, with a permit for a short-barreled gun, they already have first aid courses, although they pass it for show and print at their own expense, they go by themselves on courses ... my sister himself has a teacher in high school and there they have different contingents, that's why I know that continuous restrictions ... do not give such efficiency, only effective personal self-defense .., within the limits established by the legislative base for different populations and officials!
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 16: 39
                +10
                Quote: Intruder
                Maybe it's better to introduce the required courses

                First, you need to toughen the access regime for preschool and school institutions. It's not a fact that some scumbags won't want to visit a kindergarten or boarding school.
                Really agree with:
                Quote: Tatiana
                The moratorium on executions for terrorists in this regard should be abolished in the Russian Federation.

                Quote: SERGE ant
                For such crimes, especially against children, the death penalty could be restored.

                Something we were strongly "intimidated" that if the moratorium was lifted, innocent people could suffer. The innocent suffer precisely because of this moratorium.
                Concerning:
                Quote: Torins
                For them, death is usually not God knows what fear.

                Rarely (practically - never) have I met "volunteers" who want to stick their fingers into an electrical outlet or hold onto a bare live wire.
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 33
                  +13
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  First, you need to toughen the access regime for preschool and school institutions.
                  No use: they just kill the guard first.
                  1. Ptolemy Lag
                    Ptolemy Lag 12 May 2021 10: 14
                    +3
                    If the guards are armed, then the grandmother said in two. Ki always go to places where people are unarmed and unable to resist.
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 12 May 2021 13: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Ptolemy Lag
                      Ki always go to places where people are unarmed and unable to resist.
                      Here! Exactly! There shouldn't be such places, people should have weapons. If it is at least 10% of the population, then such shootings will turn into a firefight and those who want to "show off" will be sharply reduced. Vaughn - in the states, too, shootings in the "guns free zone", and not in Texas.
                    2. Victorio
                      Victorio 12 May 2021 14: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: Ptolemy Lag
                      If the guards are armed then grandmother said in two. Ki always go to places where people are unarmed and unable to resist.

                      ===
                      another two-meter fence, dogs and electricity. it looks like everything goes to this, people go berserk from economic inequality, permissiveness and other modern preferences
                2. not main
                  not main 11 May 2021 22: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Rarely (practically - never) have I met "volunteers" who want to stick their fingers into an electrical outlet or hold onto a bare live wire.

                  I agree! But there are exceptions! I personally know a person who survived a lightning strike (in a sitting position, the keys in his back pocket melted!) He himself was not injured (a burn of the buttocks and a week in the hospital), so he could take two nails in his hands and insert them into a power outlet and hold them calmly ! I do not know when it manifested itself, but he began to demonstrate after the lightning.
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 11 May 2021 15: 18
            +19
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: Torins
            Better hand out weapons to teachers

            Children will be shot. There, too, a bulk of people ... with an unstable psyche

            "children" the present will easily finish it .. like a "sacred cow", you can't touch them, but you can scoff at teachers.
            1. Torins
              Torins 11 May 2021 17: 17
              -13%
              Knowing that the teacher has a trunk, everything will be like silk.
              1. -Dmitry-
                -Dmitry- 12 May 2021 02: 57
                +7
                Knowing that the teacher has a trunk, everything will be like silk.


                What kind of nonsense are you talking about ??? Do you have any brains? How can a teacher legally use a weapon against a minor ?! Do we have teenagers killing teachers every week ???? direct life threatening.
                how pancake , weapons can affect the behavior of children ?! Maybe you just need to educate better, and not shift the responsibility onto the teachers?
                Where do you come from so stubborn ...
                1. Torins
                  Torins 12 May 2021 08: 59
                  +5
                  Are you crazy, where I wrote that the teacher will use weapons against a minor? Sorry, but you have a sick fantasy. This is the first thing. Secondly, in those days when the teacher had the right to give the student bream, the teachers had authority and they were obeyed. Now the teacher is a completely powerless being, who does not even have the right to shout at the student, and as a result, teachers have lost all authority and cannot exert any influence on the upbringing of children. Parents cannot influence this either, because while their child is at school, the parents themselves are far away and the child is aware that they are not in danger of bullying teachers.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 12 May 2021 14: 59
                +1
                Quote: Torins
                Knowing that the teacher has a trunk, everything will be like silk.
                You will also suggest that teachers put this barrel on the table in the classroom for greater persuasiveness!))) Just like on a gangster arrow!))
                1. Torins
                  Torins 12 May 2021 16: 14
                  +1
                  At least someone understood)
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 May 2021 20: 30
              +6
              Quote: Dead Day
              "children" the present will easily finish it .. like a "sacred cow", you can't touch them, but you can scoff at teachers.

              Who can argue. But my younger sister had a teacher who was seriously expecting the end of the world, during which humanity was to be transformed into intelligent cockroaches. Well, out of three children, I have two schoolchildren, and you know ... not all of their teachers, I would risk giving weapons to their hands
          3. Qwertyarion
            Qwertyarion 11 May 2021 15: 35
            -3
            Andrew! But is there a way out to be found ?!
            Or again for a month they make noise, checks will be carried out and that's it ...
            Why do we treat our offspring so lightly?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 11 May 2021 16: 02
              +3
              Unfortunately no. There is no guaranteed way out of this situation.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 12 May 2021 06: 06
                0
                There is - to expel the minister ...
                Sincerely
              2. Alex2711
                Alex2711 12 May 2021 13: 36
                0
                There is an exit. Return the death penalty; hang these freaks on the main square of Kazan and show it on all TV channels and YouTube; introduce MANDATORY criminal liability of all who issue a weapon permit and those who sell weapons; return the Soviet education system, when the Ministry of Education is responsible for the quality of education and upbringing of each child; organize the compulsory attendance of children in sports and developmental circles (every child under 18 must go somewhere so that there is no time to do all sorts of garbage); prohibit on television and all kinds of YouTube and the display of violence and information harmful to children; prohibit tick-tok.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 12 May 2021 14: 04
                  +1
                  hang these freaks on the main square of Kazan and show it on all TV channels and YouTube

                  Yeah .. and thus contribute to the upbringing of hundreds of growing up maniacs.
                  introduce MANDATORY criminal liability of all who issue a weapon permit and those who sell weapons

                  And what about them now, complete irresponsibility or what?
                  return the Soviet education system, when the Ministry of Education is responsible for the quality of education and upbringing of each child

                  There is an old proverb: They do not cry with their heads folded through their hair. In order to return the Soviet education system, it is necessary to return the Soviet Union with its ideology, and it has long since died.
                  organize compulsory attendance by children of sports and development groups

                  Even in Soviet times it was not obligatory, only the school was and remains obligatory.
                  ban on television and all YouTube and the display of violence

                  Doesn't this contradict any of your proposals above? Or at first it is indicative to execute and then ban? Or make an exception for demonstrative executions? Or hang on the square but not show it on TV?

                  Look, you wrote a paragraph of the text, and you are already confused in it, and how many more things will go wrong that you and I did not think about, if you start implementing such programs? No, I in no way say that you do not need to do anything .. I just say that there is no panacea and cannot be.

                  PS: for example, the president proposes a generally reasonable thing - to revise the rules for handling hunting weapons. By the way, he suggested this two years ago, after the Kerchin incident, where exactly the same "barrel" was used ... A reasonable idea, but not yet realized. And what to do with all those Saiga and Vepr carbines that are now on hand?
                  1. Alex2711
                    Alex2711 12 May 2021 22: 27
                    0
                    1. If hung up in full view of everyone, then everyone will know that they will have to answer for the crimes.
                    2. Now responsibility is only on paper, but I'm talking about mandatory responsibility.
                    3. I propose to return the Soviet education system, and not the Soviet Union itself.
                    4. In my Soviet childhood, almost all children went somewhere. There was only one boy in my class who didn't go anywhere. There was a period when I did not go anywhere, so the head teacher came to me every day with a question where I signed up. The kids didn't have time to do all kinds of nonsense.
                    5. I proposed to prohibit the display of harmful information for children.
                    6. If you restrict the sale of firearms, then this will not give anything, any prohibition can be circumvented. If a person wants to kill, he will find a way. It is necessary to heal the brains of people, this is the only way out.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 12 May 2021 23: 40
                      0
                      1. If hung up in full view of everyone, then everyone will know that they will have to answer for the crimes.

                      Wonderful. How does this correlate with the proposal to ban the broadcast of violence on TV? And in your opinion, no one wants to repeat the experience with public punishments, on classmates, for example?
                      2. Now responsibility is only on paper, but I'm talking about mandatory responsibility.

                      Well, formulate the criterion for such mandatory responsibility.
                      3. I propose to return the Soviet education system, and not the Soviet Union itself.

                      And you can take it and return it like that? And where, you tell me, will you find Soviet teachers for her, this is in a country where there is nowhere to take a talker. And what about Soviet children? I have already written about ideology.
                      The kids didn't have time to do all kinds of nonsense

                      That did not save the USSR from either Chikatilo or the Ovechken family.
                      1. Alex2711
                        Alex2711 13 May 2021 11: 45
                        0
                        I understood you. Everything is gone, lie down and die.
                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 13 May 2021 12: 10
                        0
                        No, I didn't understand rather about
                        Any problem always has a solution - simple, convenient and, of course, erroneous.
            2. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 12 May 2021 13: 48
              0
              Protection by prudent technical measures can help a little - a remote security guard located in the control center in the guarded unit and working in conjunction with security personnel who are physically present on the site.
              Remotely controlled from a remote control room of an armored door on floors and corridors, protected from preliminary deliberate damage and blocking and opening; internal armored doors and internal armored doors in classrooms with racks, which can be quickly closed for students and teachers. Redundant power supply and communication in armored deep cables and radio channels; autonomous power supply; recognition of the sounds of a shot and the type of weapon by computer programs on video cameras; sensor systems. Smoke devices for the internal volumes of the building - so that you can hide from shots behind the smoke. One drawback is that it is very expensive, even with serial production and delivery of such equipment abroad.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 12 May 2021 13: 56
                +2
                One drawback is that it is very expensive, even with serial production and delivery of such equipment abroad.

                Yeah, and this is in every school? It's just not real.
                Some measures can be taken, for example, an "intercom" on the door and entrance by cards, a separate security room, an alarm button there, but this is not a panacea at all.
                1. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 12 May 2021 15: 26
                  0
                  separate security guard room


                  A separate room for a security guard does not make sense - for example, it can be easily blown up. What is needed is a remote security dispatcher dozens of kilometers away with reliable technical observation and communication channels and under the protection of reliable guards, a loud notification system from this control room and the inclusion of some kind of remote devices - at least smoke and sirens and alerts. Hinged cameras on the guards themselves at the facility. In part, it is possible to combine some of the measures with fire-prevention and classical anti-terrorist ones - at least the obligatory metal doors of classes and floors can be fire-prevention and bullet-proof, the warning system will be the same for firefighters and guards. In classrooms - evacuation systems through windows are mandatory. Everything should be laid in metal pipes and in the walls and with control of the integrity and working capacity. Water jet system at the entrance to the school. Radars and detectors for finding metal masses. Regular exercises. New construction with new requirements and reconstruction of old schools, including widespread use of remote control systems. It is very, very expensive and will give all the same limited results - even if companies supply such commercial solutions to schools around the world - in many places around the world, schools and kindergartens are always in danger.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 12 May 2021 15: 39
                    0
                    What is needed is a remote security dispatcher tens of kilometers away with reliable technical surveillance and communication channels and under the protection of reliable security

                    But this is not at all the case of the school ...
                    at least the obligatory metal doors of classes and floors can be fireproof and bulletproof

                    Fire doors must be easy to open. The doors of the security system, on the contrary, are reliably blocked. By the way, most likely such lockable doors in the school will contradict the fire safety requirements, and this is also not unimportant.
                    Very, very expensive and will still give limited results

                    Yes, I agree.
                    1. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 12 May 2021 19: 50
                      0
                      Fire doors must be easy to open.


                      If I remember correctly, open in a red-hot state and close again hermetically in order to block the flow of air for fire and explosion and withstand tens of hours until it burns out. And they should have an anti-panic system and now also an armored eye or triplex. It is a problem for designers to make such a mass product. At a minimum, you should start with a bullet-proof classroom door and rescue systems through windows.
                    2. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 12 May 2021 19: 58
                      +1
                      As for the remote control guard, he is very helpful. He can, at a minimum, control all the enemy's actions with cameras and notify schoolchildren, security guards, and law enforcement officers about them over the loudspeaker. In addition, with its presence, it is simply impossible to get inside without raising the alarm. Yes, and he can serve several schools and kindergartens - but he himself must be reliably protected at his workplace.
                  2. Alex2711
                    Alex2711 12 May 2021 22: 34
                    +1
                    A very expensive attempt to deal with the consequences. I would like to overcome the reason.
                    1. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 13 May 2021 12: 01
                      0
                      The reason can be effectively dealt with only by methods that are unprofitable on the market, and they are in no way combined with the market and with making money on it, in contrast to dealing with the consequences. Therefore, the consequences, probably, will still be dealt with, but after the era of the second great economic depression, when bad non-money reappears in bulk, the tiles will no longer be shifted ...
                2. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 12 May 2021 16: 27
                  0
                  Technically, it is possible to offer also stationary ball-throwers on the machine, with an armored shield, at the entrance and in key places of the building, and such portable devices.
                  They shoot massive polymer balls from a propane tank and are non-lethal. There used to be powder assembly guns for dowels - now these guns use gas cylinders. Accordingly, there are portable ball launchers, cylinders and balls in stores for them and for stationary positions - at the guards and in a glass cabinet with an alarm at each installation. At least some chance for the guards to delay or gain time.
          4. scientist
            scientist 11 May 2021 19: 53
            -3
            It is strange that no one even thinks about the significance of hunting weapons. After all, it is obvious to everyone that there is a real discrepancy between the number of real hunters who travel to it for at least a week once a year, and the number of weapons stored by the population. And given the fact that the weapon has to be dragged with you through densely populated cities and stored for years in a place where not only family members have access to it, but all and sundry, it is high time to change the name "hunting weapon" to combat and not to engage demagoguery.
            In this regard, a well-grounded question arises, who benefits from the existence of specialized hunting organizations in the country that would not only control the hunting procedure, but also deal with the storage and issuance of weapons in areas where hunting is permitted.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 12 May 2021 08: 02
              +1
              I know several people who have hunting weapons, but are not even going to hunt. They say "just in case."
          5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 May 2021 20: 31
            +2
            Quote: Qwertyarion
            Andrew! But is there a way out to be found ?!

            I would very much like to. But I don't know him, honestly.
            1. Petro_tut
              Petro_tut 11 May 2021 23: 26
              0

              I would very much like to. But I don't know him, honestly
              conduct a psychiatric examination every year as a vaccination, start with the State Duma
            2. Plastmaster
              Plastmaster 12 May 2021 05: 38
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              I would very much like to. But I don't know him, honestly.

              Or maybe for a start not to write about it, not to show that he is a god, etc.? Parents will treat their children for a couple of days and will forget. And the crazy people will all take it with enthusiasm, they will be an example to follow.
      4. Zlyden.Zlo
        Zlyden.Zlo 11 May 2021 16: 24
        +1
        So it must be a very bad death ...
      5. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 11 May 2021 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: Torins
        ... Better to distribute weapons to teachers. And they will be able to protect against a terrorist and discipline in schools will rise.
        Do schools have a security guard at the entrance ???
        If "he" is in this gymnasium # 175 in Kazan, then what happened to him, wounded or not ???
        If you arm the guard ... but what qualifications and moral qualities will the guard have?
        I'm talking about the fact that collectors carrying money are trained in full to repel an attack.
        And the school is guarded as a warehouse with "consumer goods" - there is a "guard" ... and okay.
        What to do with criminals ... to hold a vote at least in Kazan - as the people decide to punish them (but only after the court verdict, where all the ins and outs of the crime will be clarified).
      6. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 May 2021 19: 37
        -2
        I can imagine how then a physical education instructor with a labor worker will share some kind of teacher.
    2. skif8013
      skif8013 11 May 2021 14: 40
      +6
      Quote: Tatiana
      One of the detained maniac killers is 19 years old, the other is 40 years old.
      It would be correct to execute both terrorists by hanging!

      The moratorium on executions for terrorists in this regard should be abolished in the Russian Federation.

      Too gorgeous for him to be tormented in an instant. Let this scum rot alone, knowing that it will not work. In my opinion, this will be a fairer punishment.
      1. For example
        For example 11 May 2021 15: 13
        -1
        Quote: skif8013
        Let this scum rot alone


        With this scum it is clear.
        But how to discourage other scum?

        No wonder our ancestors were executed in the squares.
        Not for the sake of execution, but for the sake of warning everyone who decided that he was a judge and decided to encroach on the lives of others.
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 17
          +2
          ... No wonder our ancestors were executed in the squares.


          Well, what is the result? Gone is crime?
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 35
            +1
            Quote: Podvodnik
            Well, what is the result? Gone is crime?
            Not off scale.
      2. alstr
        alstr 11 May 2021 16: 04
        -2
        Then create the conditions as in Southeast Asia (in the pit forever and feed according to the Auschwitz norm).
        Here you can connect comrades from the Caucasus - they have experience in this matter.
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 17: 20
        0
        Quote: skif8013
        In my opinion, this will be a fairer punishment.

        I see only two versions of justice:
        1. To feed sharks.
        2. On organs.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 May 2021 18: 21
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          2. On organs.

          Organs of a maniac, child killers .. doubtful .. such only in the junk entirely ..
      4. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 11 May 2021 22: 12
        +1
        Yeah, and all the people will pay for the boarding house. The death penalty in such cases is not a punishment for the beast, but a warning to possible followers.
    3. Stone
      Stone 11 May 2021 14: 44
      +5
      No, not hanging, but public torture, for several days, and then quartering or counting. Yes, this is gimmicky, but such creatures should suffer very terribly, so that from the horror they saw, others would not even have a thought to do something like that. And so they even feel like heroes or even gods. They will put him in jail for life, maybe he even realizes and repent of his deed, but to be honest, who needs his repentance. Therefore, I believe for such animals only a public death penalty is needed, with preliminary medieval torture, only the horror of such a punishment can stop some from such crimes. And his relatives would be punished for good, so that they would understand that not only they would die, but those close to him would get it for him. I repeat, all this is scary, but how else?
      1. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 22
        0
        but how else?


        Elementary.
        This is all the result of the internal policy of the state. What is the policy and the result. And you yourself know who has been determining this very domestic policy in recent decades.
    4. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 11 May 2021 14: 48
      0
      What kind of hanging? He was led, it's clear. To remove the ends again?
      However, most likely, he will die from some kind of coronavirus.
      So, for a seed - this type was born on 11.09.2001. Coincidence, of course.
    5. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 11 May 2021 14: 51
      +10
      It is not necessary to abolish the moratorium on the death penalty, but it is better to amend the legislation so that a person who received life imprisonment really could not be released under any pretext other than an acquittal. And the second maintenance of such convicts is carried out at the expense of their relatives, at least communal apartments and security are compulsory, and what about eating it from relatives voluntarily, so that the relatives themselves decide whether they need such a geek or it is easier to starve him to death, and the state will exact its own from the relatives for the communal apartment and protection.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 11 May 2021 15: 35
        +5
        Quote: Alex2048
        It is not necessary to abolish the moratorium on the death penalty, but it is better to amend the legislation so that a person who received life imprisonment really could not, under any pretext, except for an acquittal, be released.

        Are you sure that during the years of this very life imprisonment of these terrorists in prison there will not be any GOSPERVOROT in Russia - and they will not only be released early, but also put in power over the people ?!

        For example, this was the case in the USSR in 199O-1991! Criminals, mental patients were released from prisons and other idiots in mental hospitals were allowed to vote for Yeltsin in the elections.
        So it was in maidan Ukraine in 2014! In Ukraine, then, too, all criminals were released into the wild: murderers, rapists, perverts, and other criminals. And a civil war broke out in Ukraine.

        Do Russians need a similar civil war in Russia? No, it is not needed!
        Therefore, it would be right to "cleanse" society from such dangerous asocial elements in the country.
        And the right thing to do is to execute these freaks by hanging so that others will not disdain to follow their example.
      2. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 11 May 2021 23: 24
        +4
        and it is better to fix it legislatively


        No laws will stop these geeks.

        All that happened was a disease, a cancerous tumor. It spreads. And this is the disease of our society. Total. This is not cured by laws and a bullet.
        Only education, example, leadership, upbringing, ideology and purpose in life.
    6. NF68
      NF68 11 May 2021 15: 45
      +1
      Quote: Tatiana
      One of the detained maniac killers is 19 years old, the other is 40 years old.
      It would be correct to execute both terrorists by hanging!

      The moratorium on executions for terrorists in this regard should be abolished in the Russian Federation.


      Not. Lifetime is better for them. And for the edification of others, to show how such inmates live. Such a prospect will keep at least someone.
    7. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 13
      +6
      The moratorium on executions on this occasion for terrorists should be abolished in the Russian Federation


      Of course it is.
      Chikatilo do not remember from what attempt they shot?

      Find yourself at the wrong time in the wrong place .... They will take you under the white little hands, they will break a couple of fingers, they will remind you of the taste of champagne, you all will sign, just not to suffer. And years after "tsat": Ay yay yay! The error came out, please accept our sincere apologies, dear parents ....
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 37
        -3
        Quote: Podvodnik
        Chikatilo do not remember from what attempt they shot?
        Not an example: there his crimes were hanged on the caught murderers (it seemed), and not on anyone.
    8. private person
      private person 11 May 2021 16: 27
      +6
      In connection with the attack on the school, the Russian president was instructed to tighten the legislation related to the circulation of weapons.

      And the GDP thinks differently, they would have to toughen legislation and introduce new taxes. And to figure out why this happened, what are the reasons and what to do so that it does not repeat itself in the future is not destiny. And the death penalty cannot be returned as the world community will look at them.
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 11 May 2021 22: 09
        +1
        Quote: private person
        In connection with the attack on the school, the Russian president was instructed to tighten the legislation related to the circulation of weapons.

        https://t.me/ASupersharij/6670 ...
        а it looks like it was necessary in the field of drug trafficking (!)... He he is perefidrinen half to death (and even on adrenaline, after his own shooting) ....
        OBNON in Kazan should better stop the sale of drugs ...
        1. private person
          private person 12 May 2021 17: 01
          0
          OBNON in Kazan should better stop the sale of drugs ...

          About 15 years ago I read an article in the magazine of a then policeman that the drug would have been finished in a matter of days if such a command had come from the top.
    9. Machito
      Machito 11 May 2021 18: 03
      -2
      Quote: Tatiana
      One of the detained maniac killers is 19 years old, the other is 40 years old.
      It would be correct to execute both terrorists by hanging!

      The moratorium on executions for terrorists in this regard should be abolished in the Russian Federation.

      What the hell is hanging? For such freaks, only quartering, wheeling, impaling, hanging by the ribs, the Red Eagle and other pleasures with an indispensable online broadcast of the execution. How many likes will the videos with the execution of freaks get? On advertising from views in Kazan, it will be possible to grow a new university.
  2. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 11 May 2021 14: 13
    +18
    Another question for the carriers of fake information. Okay, I repost the information by mistake, but when a lie is deliberately spread, there should be serious responsibility for it.
    1. dSK
      dSK 11 May 2021 14: 35
      +15
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      there must be a serious responsibility.

      The main argument of opponents of the death penalty is the possible execution of the innocent.
      In this case, what is "innocence"? - in broad daylight, so many witnesses, video recordings ...
      How many children must die before our "servants of the people" take real measures to protect the innocent victims?
      Lifetime these geeks will not stop, only a real threat of loss of life ...
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 11 May 2021 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: dsk
        Lifetime these geeks will not stop, only a real threat of loss of life ...
        This is an already lost life, and even before the shooting began. Public executions at all times were not a way to achieve justice, but a means of intimidation. Only they can become a habitual entertainment for the crowd - and they did, by the way. Let it rot for life, imperceptibly, wishing for its own death and regretting the lost useless life, which is never realized.
        To be honest, this geek is interesting only because of what can be squeezed out of him about his accomplices - and about how he got to the point of killing children. Maybe it will be useful at least.
      2. Obliterator
        Obliterator 11 May 2021 20: 13
        0
        Quote: dsk
        Lifetime these geeks will not stop, only a real threat of loss of life ...

        The death penalty won't stop either.
    2. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 31
      +2
      Another question for the carriers of fake information


      Here's another question !: WHAT PADLA posted a photo from the class with the murdered children to the network?
      Take your hands off! And to hammer the phone flat into one place ....
  3. Irokez
    Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 20
    +4
    Quote: SERGE ant
    Is it a man after what he did.

    Unfortunately, the man who understood, but the non-man who killed.
    If he knew what he was doing, then the person does not matter that there is anger at the world in his head, religious pumping. But if he is a victim and an instrument in the hands of others, then simply an animal of which was somehow lured into this crime, and especially in the current world situation when everyone is on their ears and globalism is about to collapse.
    1. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 11 May 2021 14: 25
      +14
      Something tells me that new Internet restrictions and restrictions on the purchase of hunting weapons await us ... On the Internet, everything will end in the "Chinese manner". And as regards the firearm, it will all end with the fact that it will be allowed to have only muzzle-loaded wick guns with a length of at least 180 cm ... This is for your own safety and at the request of the Tereshkovo-Khinstein workers ...
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 40
        -8
        Quote: Kuzya the Cat
        This is for your own safety.

        Yes, I do not mind.
      2. Stone
        Stone 11 May 2021 14: 50
        +20
        If the ban on firearms stopped the massacres in schools, then I would be the first to be in favor of the ban, but unfortunately it will not work. They will just switch to homemade bombs, axes and even stationery knives.
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 11 May 2021 15: 04
          -11%
          Quote: Sten
          They will just switch to homemade bombs, axes and even stationery knives.

          Yes, violence cannot be avoided, but it can be reduced and you correctly noted that there will be knives and axes, but there will be fewer victims, because the killer can be stopped by anyone in close contact or, in extreme cases, run away, which will not work from a bullet.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 11 May 2021 15: 18
            -3
            Quote: Irokez
            Yes, violence cannot be avoided, but it can be reduced, and you correctly noted that there will be knives and axes, but there will be fewer victims, because the killer can be stopped by anyone in close contact

            Curious how you can stop an individual with a knife who is more than determined to kill, and the knife got out unexpectedly and in a crowd of unsuspecting individuals? Have you seen enough action movies about "konfu"?
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 11 May 2021 15: 41
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: Irokez
              Yes, violence cannot be avoided, but it can be reduced, and you correctly noted that there will be knives and axes, but there will be fewer victims, because the killer can be stopped by anyone in close contact

              Curious how you can stop an individual with a knife who is more than determined to kill, and the knife got out unexpectedly and in a crowd of unsuspecting individuals? Have you seen enough action movies about "konfu"?

              You also need to know the psychology of the killer. And it is often the following: - "I am invincible and armed and therefore dared." That is, no one will reach me at a distance, because the firearm does not allow the victim to come close and kills at a distance, but with a cold weapon, the situation is different when, in order to kill, you have to come within arm's reach and there may be a surprise, because grabbing a stick or a stool, you can neutralize the attacker, and it means he is not safe, or even the victim will simply run away or the crowd will immediately pounce and kick. With a firearm, this will not work, because from 5-10 meters you can feel safe, and the victims have a fear of being killed and without a chance for defense and defense. Kung Fu has nothing to do with it, although hand-to-hand combat gives a very big guarantee of survival.
              1. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 11 May 2021 16: 24
                +1
                I just vividly imagined 8-graders stabbing a 19-year-old thug with a knife.
                Here's China and only 2020 (by the way, this is about democracy and education):
                "..In the PRC, an unknown person attacked the students and workers of an elementary school. At 8 am local time in the city of Wuzhou, located in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region in southern China, intruder with a knife attacked a group of students and employees of the educational institution. 40 people were injured, the director, a security guard and one of the schoolchildren are in serious condition."
                https://news.rambler.ru/incidents/44294219/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
                "...Unidentified man attacked with a knife to a kindergarten in China. Reported by Reuters.
                The incident took place in the city of Beilu, Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region. The attacker illegally entered the facility with a cold weapon. As a result, two educators and 16 children received stab wounds. All the victims were hospitalized, two children were in serious condition. "
                “In Hubei province in central China, eight children were killed in an attack in an elementary school, the South China Morning Post reported. A 40-year-old man attacked schoolchildren with a knife. В as a result of the incident, eight students were killed, two more were hospitalized."
                Read more at RBC:
                https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5d6df76f9a79475415e3d4e1
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard 11 May 2021 21: 12
                -9
                Quote: Irokez
                but with melee weapons the situation is different when, in order to kill, you have to come within arm's length and there may be an unexpected woman, because by grabbing a stick or a stool, you can neutralize the attacker,

                I wonder how you would personally neutralize me with a knife, a stool, which, among other things, does not exist at all. anywhere in the square where the parade is going on, for example. I am here in solidarity with some of my friends who say something like that - come to our gym and try to do it in real life, that is, just show it, and we'll see how you succeed.))
                1. for
                  for 12 May 2021 00: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  to our gym and try to do it in real life

                  And if they come from a nearby gym.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 12 May 2021 01: 09
                    -3
                    Quote: for
                    And if they come from a nearby gym.

                    Yes, let them come. However, everyone there has known each other for a long time.)) It's just that there is always a counter question in technology. If you want to prove something, come and show it.))
              3. Tank hard
                Tank hard 11 May 2021 21: 25
                -1
                Quote: Irokez
                although hand-to-hand combat gives a very large guarantee of survival.

                I have been engaged in hand-to-hand combat since the age of 13, and hand-to-hand fighting with a knife since I was 30. I won prizes, I have a belt in knife techniques (tanto-jutsu, hard full contact with a wooden (oak) knife simulator (they broke their ribs and cut their heads so that they were taken to the hospital to sew them up))). I am 48 years old now. I declare to you that in 90% of cases you will be killed and hand-to-hand combat will not help you. But from the couch, you can see better.))
                1. Irokez
                  Irokez 11 May 2021 21: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  I declare to you that in 90% of cases you will be killed and hand-to-hand combat will not help you.

                  Who will stab someone, a specialist in handling a knife (let's say like YOU) or a 19-year-old kid? It is difficult to kill a person with one blow with a knife (you need to know the points, places), and the victim clutching the hand with a knife may prevent events from developing further, and then you see, others will arrive in time. The only thing is the fact of surprise when almost 100%, the arteries of the neck, groin, but again close contact, not distance and fire. The difference is as well as the chance to survive.
                  Well, 90% is not 100% before the firearms. Agree, even 10% is already satisfactory.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 11 May 2021 21: 43
                    -7
                    Quote: Irokez
                    Who will stab someone, a specialist in handling a knife (let's say like YOU) or a 19-year-old kid?

                    The specialist will not use the knife in such cases, because he knows what it will cost in the end. I fought several times, the knife was with me, but I did not use it knowing full well the consequences of its use. Most of the stabbing is amateurs. But this does not negate the lethality of an ordinary kitchen cabinet in the hands of a marginal or a scumbag. Ban the knife? What's the point? As always, we do not struggle with the cause, but with the effect, and then, unfortunately ... ((
                    1. Irokez
                      Irokez 11 May 2021 21: 49
                      -2
                      Well, in the kitchen, you can kill with a frying pan, it's not about what can be killed at all, but about which weapon is more or less effective in a crowd or against a crowd, and a knife next to it did not stand in front of a firearm, like an ax and other piercing-cutting objects.
                      I spoke precisely about the fact that with a knife there would be fewer such victims and not so fatal.
                    2. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 11 May 2021 21: 53
                      -8
                      Quote: Irokez
                      I spoke precisely about the fact that with a knife there would be fewer such victims and less fatal

                      You just don't "smoke" the topic. I will not throw a video here, in order to avoid ... It's not about weapons, but about individuals. And it's also about the desire to solve a problem or just move the arrows. IMHO.
                    3. Irokez
                      Irokez 11 May 2021 21: 54
                      -2
                      Okay, both with their own.
                    4. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 11 May 2021 21: 56
                      -7
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Okay, both with their own.

                      It is corny that a lot rests on money. Good security must be paid with dignity, a harsh response to encroachments must be allowed, etc. And all this is money again. And the ban is the easiest way, but it will not solve the problem. IMHO.
                    5. Irokez
                      Irokez 11 May 2021 22: 20
                      +1
                      Well, you seem to be a specialist in melee weapons and melee, but how do you imagine a good security in a children's institution and which needs to be paid a lot of money? How many guards do you need?
                      Moreover, there is a bus, tram, metro or any other crowded place, there is some kind of security - rightly no. But any scumbag, before going into business, studies all the pros and cons in order to more effectively pass the barriers and make shit more and no security will even stop Putin if a person who does not arouse suspicion is just walking (well, unless the accident of a control stop every 10th, for example).
                      All protection is ineffective against a hidden enemy because the protection is in plain sight and visible, and the criminal acts unexpectedly 1-2 steps forward and you can hardly figure him out if he does not light up and like everyone else is out of suspicion. Taking this into account, it must be understood that most people are defenseless from such attacks and only a strictly guarded object with passes and behind a wire is guaranteed against crimes, but you cannot put everyone in a concentration camp, and you still have to live on.
                      Well, again, why are there a lot of police on the streets on special holidays - yes, precisely to prevent any sabotage against the leadership or a crowd of people, but this is also not 100% security, because as the saying goes: - "Whoever has a plan will do it" and security will not interfere, but when people see this chain of police, then, oddly enough, they look askance at the guardians of order such as "ponagnali", "the authorities are guarded", "they are afraid of us" and so on, and when something happens: - "Where is the police why they are not there ", but when they stop for checking so immediately" Why are you sticking, you work on a stick, look in the wrong place ".
                      It remains to calculate maniacs on the Internet in social networks, phones, clubs of interest and so on, well, there is video surveillance somewhere special programs calculating the mood of a passerby by facial expressions (by the way, really), but you can't get into your head, and that's where the key to identifying the criminal is. Yes, there are psychological tests that reveal hidden potential or intentions, but they are also not so effective and it is impossible to arrest them.
                      Well, there is no 100% protection from such cases in nature, well, there is simply no except one when there will be 0% firearms as such, but then there is still a club, a stone, a fist, and so on, which is also life-threatening.
                    6. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 11 May 2021 22: 36
                      -10%
                      Quote: Irokez
                      that people for the most part are defenseless from such attacks and only a strictly guarded object with passes and behind a wire is guaranteed against crime,

                      Quite right. There is a saying that the salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. But children are somewhat different and they need to be protected, and protected in the most harsh, or even cruel way. The main thing in this is the understanding of the inevitability of punishment. For such crimes, it is necessary to bear responsibility not only for the criminal, but also for his entire family. And the main thing is that the offender understands that the punishment will surely overtake and no acquaintances, circumstances or good behavior (later) will affect the volume and inevitability of punishment. And schools, kindergartens and the like must be tightly guarded. This is a trained security guard, armed and opening fire to kill at any attempt to penetrate the object, especially by strangers, not students. not obeying the requirement of inspection and threatening, especially with weapons. The attacker (s) in Kazan did not go to school anymore, and in an attempt to prevent their (his) penetration he simply killed (or) an unarmed guard (a woman and only one, it seems). Yes, there is a lot you can write, only I doubt that someone will do it. It is easier to complicate the acquisition of civilian weapons for the population, which uses weapons in the hunt and is law-abiding for the most part.
                    7. Irokez
                      Irokez 11 May 2021 23: 02
                      -2
                      Everything with barbed wire cannot be fenced off and not protected, because the lessons are over and the children went home in a crowd, and now they are without protection and outside the barbed wire. Judge for yourself this is life and the criminal knows what awaits him and death does not frighten him if there is a crisis in his head and even the right parents grow up hidden killers who, in protest against the upbringing of their parents, are sometimes even ready to undermine the whole world, and after all, many of them had enough of this in their heads a little overkill in emotions and the process began (the psyche is different, stable or not, responsibility, kindness, justice, pride, and so on). Life is life and everyone has their own cockroaches in the brain.
                      Yes, everything seems to be correct in your reasoning, but how to do this is the question:
                      - Tightening and tightening the nuts is just one of the measures of action that will work somewhere, but again not by 100%, but it will still reduce the risk.
                      - Next, let's ask ourselves the question: - "What is a firearms for in the city?" It’s interesting, if the hunt is only in the forest and in the field, then why should young people buy weapons, and even more so in the city. Okay, in the countryside where there is hunting in the forests and mountains, but where is the city? So you have to think that the priority in buying only outside the city is just like wearing with use. If there are no hunting places, then no weapon is a ban, a taboo.
                      - Even further. In the age of digital technologies, when every cell phone is in full view in the special services, and some "potential" bracelets are hung for surveillance, then why can't you chip all the weapons to control and track, and if a chip on the computer in the server flashed in the area of ​​a school, kindergarten, camp site, sports facility or other place of gathering of people, then react immediately and harshly, but many even here on the site are hostile to the idea.
                      - Well, you can still say a lot, up to storing personal weapons in certain guarded storage warehouses, and it is taken only when hunting or shooting range (and where else, excuse me, it is taken), well, everything is under the control of the state, well, we can special private structures, but after all they will scream - "how can I take my toy somewhere for storage, it warms my heart".
                      Right now I'll catch a bunch of minuses, but to hell with them - safety is more expensive.
                    8. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 11 May 2021 23: 16
                      -8
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Do not fence or protect everything with barbed wire

                      Kindergartens and schools are quite possible, but you have to invest in this and desire, and with that, and the trouble. Well, who will go to the disenfranchised school guards for 12-15 sput (we have such prices on average)?
                      Quote: Irokez
                      for the lessons are over and the children went home in a crowd and all here they are without protection and out of the thorn

                      At this point, the card will fall, but at least they will not be able to go to school (kindergarten) and massively destroy the defenseless.
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Next, let's ask ourselves the question: - "What is a firearms for in the city?" I wonder if the hunt is only in the forest and the field, then why should young people buy weapons, and even more so in the city. Okay, in the countryside, where is the hunting in the forests and mountains, but where is the city? So you have to think that the priority in buying only outside the city is just like wearing with use. If there are no hunting places, then no weapon is a ban, a taboo.

                      Quite a lot of real hunters live in the city. And somehow I did not see them in droves running around the city with weapons. Apparently upbringing, responsibility, and a sense of reason are developed.
                      Quote: Irokez
                      - Even further. In the age of digital technologies, when every cell phone is in full view in the special services, and some "potential" bracelets are hung for surveillance, then why can't you chip all the weapons to control and track, and if a chip on the computer in the server flashed in the area of ​​a school, kindergarten, camp site, sports facility or other place of gathering of people, then react immediately and harshly, but many even here on the site are hostile to the idea.

                      Money. yet again. It will probably be a little expensive. IMHO.
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Well, you can still say a lot, up to storing personal weapons in certain guarded storage warehouses, and it is taken only when hunting or a shooting range (and where else, excuse me, it is taken), and of course everything is under the control of the state, well, we can special private structures, but they will howl - "How can I take my toy somewhere for storage, it warms my heart."

                      The main thing is the inevitability of punishment. This thing works wonders. And if any Mara Baghdasaryan and his comrades are driving along the sidewalks and crushing citizens together with the police. and she's just to threaten her for that. Then the seams. Do not be surprised that your child is run over or shot, this is just an annoying trifle for some. request
                  2. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 12 May 2021 08: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    This is a trained security guard, armed and opening fire to kill on any attempt to penetrate

                    And what will prevent the guard fighter who is armed and has free access to this school, everyone knows him there, and no one will be surprised to see him there with a weapon until he starts shooting.
                    Or what will prevent an already crazy IT specialist from getting a job in such a school security?
                  3. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 12 May 2021 15: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: rzzz
                    And what will prevent the guard fighter who is armed and has free access to this school, everyone knows him there, and no one will be surprised to see him there with a weapon until he starts shooting.
                    Or what will prevent an already crazy IT specialist from getting a job in such a school security?

                    Everything can be in this world. For example, you can eat breakfast on a beautiful sunny morning and choke and die. Stop eating now?))
                  4. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 18 May 2021 00: 23
                    -1
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    you can have breakfast and choke on a lovely sunny morning and die

                    This is a pretty cheap trick in demagoguery, to translate into individuals. Doesn't paint you. You may likewise be more likely to submit because hate gnaws at you.
                  5. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 18 May 2021 21: 07
                    0
                    Quote: rzzz
                    This is a pretty cheap trick in demagoguery, to translate into individuals. Doesn't paint you. You may likewise be served even more likely because hate gnaws at you.

                    An example is quite indicative and a good answer to your question. The rest is your hate and fantasies coming from it. In the absence of arguments, they always try to move on to a quarrel, which is what you are trying to do.))
                  6. Rzzz
                    Rzzz 20 May 2021 08: 06
                    0
                    Yes, I have no hatred, and I was not even going to go into a quarrel. Why are you measuring the whole world on your own?
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 11 May 2021 23: 41
    0
    and the victim, clutching the hand with a knife, can prevent events from developing further, and then you see, others will arrive in time.
    Have you ever had a bayonet-knife stuck in you? There is no time for grabbing the enemy, believe me ...
  • Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 12 May 2021 10: 23
    +1
    Alas, in 99% of cases they will kill you!
  • Chack wessel
    Chack wessel 13 May 2021 16: 14
    0
    You are arguing with Chuck Norris. :)
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  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 11 May 2021 23: 45
    +1

    Yes, violence cannot be avoided, but it can be reduced and you correctly noted that there will be knives and axes, but there will be fewer victims, because the killer can be stopped by anyone in close contact or, in extreme cases, run away, which will not work from a bullet.

    you dear man forgot about pyromaniacs - a bomb with a can of gasoline will blow up - there will be many times more victims than from a firearm, and you won't be able to escape ...
    request
  • Egg
    Egg 11 May 2021 16: 22
    +6
    This is the other extreme ... in fact, the population has hundreds of thousands of registered, legal barrels. And even just to withdraw such a quantity will be problematic. And there is even more illegal, especially in the western regions and the republics of the Caucasus. It's not a problem to concoct a bomb, in the 90s there was a lot of literature on their manufacture, we made self-propelled guns in childhood with a bang, we even made a rifled one for a small piece in a school workshop. So prohibitions will not help here, but tightening the screws on the circulation of civilian weapons is easy and the reason for this is very suitable. The authorities, as always, took the easiest and most ineffective path.
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 34
    +10
    If the ban on firearms would stop


    Whoever needs it, weapons will always be found. And only law-abiding citizens will not have it.
    You call the police, and in response to you: "How will they kill, call, we will come"
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 11 May 2021 19: 44
      +2
      Quote: Podvodnik

      You call the police, and in response to you: "How will they kill, call, we will come"
      So the case was in Kemerovo ...
      Former groom in the apartment killed my ex for over an hour - the neighbors called the police and reported what was happening ...
      And they were told - like "There is no car ..."
      The neighbors themselves broke down the door after 1,5 hours, but the girl had already died ...
      When the police got into the apartment 3 hours later ...
      I am reporting briefly without details.
  • stalki
    stalki 11 May 2021 15: 08
    +7
    Something tells me that new Internet restrictions and restrictions on the purchase of hunting weapons await us ... On the Internet, everything will end in the "Chinese manner". And as regards the firearm, it will all end with the fact that it will be allowed to have only muzzle-loaded wick guns with a length of at least 180 cm ... This is for your own safety and at the request of the Tereshkovo-Khinstein workers ...
    What's all about weapons, but about weapons. The essence of the question is the first: censorship (Internet, TV, etc.), culture and education. Second: the protection of institutions by the state and not by private individuals, but by the guard. But at the forefront of everything is exactly the moral side. The brains are not of a person, but of an animal, a sick animal in this idiot. And the roots of this disease are in the social structure and worldview. Poison in their heads.
    Ps my condolences to the families.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 May 2021 16: 15
      +1
      first: censorship (internet, tv, etc.), culture and education
      Hmm, but does censorship help to avoid the development of an underground market for samopal, or collect IEDs in the kitchen !? Culture and upbringing, with this, too, is even worse in the Russian Federation and not only, and here the laws do not help from the word at all ..., worse than with the training and development of weapons culture among the masses of the population, in shooting galleries and shooting clubs, because the villain thinks by - otherwise, for him, these norms and rules in human society are completely frivolous things, he does not notice them, but either mentally unstable, with an alternative worldview of biomass in this Universe, they will not even notice it ...
      1. stalki
        stalki 11 May 2021 16: 32
        +5
        Hmm, but does censorship help to avoid the development of an underground market for samopal, or collect IEDs in the kitchen !? Culture and upbringing, with this, too, is even worse in the Russian Federation and not only, and here the laws do not help from the word at all ..., worse than with the training and development of weapons culture among the masses of the population, in shooting galleries and shooting clubs, because the villain thinks by - otherwise, for him, these norms and rules in human society are completely frivolous things, he does not notice them, but either mentally unstable, with an alternative worldview of biomass in this Universe, they will not even notice it ...
        Yah? Does the weapon shoot itself, choose itself, buy itself? You don't see the question as a whole. It is not necessary to remove the effect, but the reasons. Yes, gun control is necessary, but that's not the point. There is no need to oversimplify cause and effect. If society is oversaturated with violence in all sources of information and there is no adequate assessment and response to this violence, then the perception of violence by consciousness passes through its Overton window. The more the cloth is moistened with water, the less dry it will be, or the more wet it will be. As you like.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 11 May 2021 17: 43
          -1
          You don't see the question as a whole. It is not necessary to remove the effect, but the reasons. Yes, gun control is necessary, but that's not the point. There is no need to oversimplify cause and effect.
          And he, this control is not there, even what and at all levels ... before it is purchased in a store, namely a legal one !? Plus, routine checks, everywhere and always - this is required just to control the owner and his operation of the weapon itself, from the requirements for storage, transportation and ending with complex questions about the use in self-defense and other areas ...
          If society is oversaturated with violence in all sources of information and there is no adequate assessment and response to this violence, then the perception of violence by consciousness passes through its Overton window. The more the cloth is moistened with water, the less dry it will be, or the more wet it will be. As you like.
          Well, society is constantly saturated with violence, how many world wars were there in the last century, and how many local ones for the colonies in the 19th century ???, although there are more sources of this information now, and the generation of 19-20 years old does not always see the coast and does not separate flies from cutlets , then it is necessary to teach citizens to defend themselves and protect defenseless children, at school, in the park and in the store, on the playground ... I just understand that my point of view is from the side of a legal user and a self-defender, who even has a tactically camouflaged shoulder bag in the board repeat , in constant wear on the shoulder, and the holster on the left side (I manage with two equally, because training for me is a lifestyle ..., and the right one is needed for other things in the bag on the right by the way ...), with my "evil friend" , but this is so ... a month ago, from a personal one: at the shop, the punks (just up to 20 years old) showed a Chinese knife (one apparently considered himself a hero ...), after the demonstration of the holster, they dumped ... the conflict is over , but the sediment is unpleasant .... and my folding man is also, like an EDC segment, always with me and when I leave the house I take it in my bag along with a tourniquet, so that, if in extreme cases, I can provide the injured side with first aid for damage to the vein and artery I always put it in the valve with Velcro-Velcro for quick extraction with one movement ... but this does not negate the fact that reality also poses new challenges for peaceful civil society, and someday we will remember the words of old man Colt, about God and equality .. .between people!?
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 11 May 2021 20: 09
            +2
            Quote: Intruder
            And he, this control is not there, even what and at all levels ... before it is purchased in a store, namely a legal one !? Plus, routine checks, everywhere and always - this is required just to control the owner and his operation of the weapon itself, from the requirements for storage, transportation and ending with complex questions about the use in self-defense and other areas ...
            ?
            In the USSR, after the death of I. V. Stalin, it was allowed to buy hunting weapons even without a "hunting ticket" ...
            Since 1959, they began to gradually tighten.
            Only the massive use of "sawn-off" by bandits (Article 77 of the RSFSR Criminal Code on banditry still existed) I don't remember ...
            There were individual cases of the use of firearms in the USSR in those years, but they were not massive (with sawn-off shotguns in particular).
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 11 May 2021 20: 44
              -1
              In the USSR, after the death of I. V. Stalin, it was allowed to buy hunting weapons even without a "hunting ticket" ...
              and this is really wrong, when the country was experiencing problems everywhere after the war, and the more the acquisition and possession of hunting firearms after the victory over fascism will be toughened, well, apparently the comrades were smarter and more far-sighted than modern effective "..." (this is so that the moderator is not strain and not get a personal ban ... suddenly, for a Russian expression ... laughing ), which weapons only in museums and at exhibitions were seen and used in the shooting range, and not in the taiga, or in the steppe ... against two-legged and four-legged "predators" !?
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 11 May 2021 20: 54
                -2
                Quote: Intruder
                In the USSR, after the death of I. V. Stalin, it was allowed to buy hunting weapons even without a "hunting ticket" ...
                but is it really wrong when the country experienced problems everywhere after the war !?
                So a double-barreled gun for hunting can be sold more freely.
                But the multiply charged one (one barrel - several cartridges in the store) is needed already with a high-quality check (which one I will not argue about).
                About SKS, Tigrr and Mosin carbines - you need to argue separately. (they are already sold after 5 years of owning a smooth barrel).
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 12
                  -1
                  About SKS, Tigrr and Mosin carbines - you need to argue separately. (they are already sold after 5 years of owning a smooth barrel).
                  Yes, not about rifled, here, in general, in the conceptual right to self-defense in a person, using a short-barreled and legal firearm in the board ..., precisely at the place of a possible and non-illusory attack by an armed psychopath, or an alternatively gifted idiot, with a cheap legal shotgun, within mass gathering of defenseless people (pensioners, children and liberals laughing )
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 11 May 2021 20: 53
              -1
              There were individual cases of the use of firearms in the USSR in those years, but they were not massive (with sawn-off shotguns in particular).
              cutoffs, hmm ... "the death of the chairman", here is the folk instrument of "pure will and anger" with a bias in the search for justice, right on the spot at the beginning of the last century, in the closets and attics of that great and mighty country, which gave twice " according to the soup "practical Germans, for some 30 years, she herself built the Dnieper hydroelectric power station with the Volga-Don and jumped into space, after the Second World War, there is actually something to be proud of, and now, as he put up with, we are all kept within the framework, limited and control winked ...:
              TOZ-106, or:
              The legendary Mosin rifle, in a subcompact form factor ...
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 11 May 2021 20: 59
                +1
                Quote: Intruder
                cutoffs, hmm ... "death of the chairman", here is the folk instrument of "pure will and anger" with a bias in the search for justice, right on the spot at the beginning of the last century, ...
                I meant the "classic sawed-off" from a double-barreled shotgun
                shotgun shotgun
                For the USSR in the 50-60s, the simplest thing was, but it did not go to the masses ... something stopped.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 06
                  -3
                  Well, this is really ... a simple sample! wink I was just grandfather, I held myself in my hands .., he with him fought off wolves in the steppes and not only from them, just on the basis of rifled from Mosin ..., so I remember her from childhood, an excellent thing in the skillful calloused hands of a wealthy peasant with an old-regime character in its genes, just as for self-defense, (when, you are on a cart at night and alone, and there are no souls around), then this machine revealed its potential at a short distance of battle ... plus incredible reliability, and "self-spinning" at home: to reduce the hitch and the bullet, they knew how to cast for a rifled in caliber, by the way !?
                2. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 11 May 2021 22: 13
                  -6
                  Quote: Intruder
                  rifled from Mosin ..., so I remember her from childhood, a great thing in the skillful calloused hands of a well-to-do peasant with an old-regime character in his genes, just as for self-defense, (when, you are on a cart at night and alone, and there are no souls around), here then this machine revealed its potential at a short distance of the battle ... plus incredible reliability, and the "self-rotation" at home: to reduce the hitch and bullets, they knew how to cast for a rifled in caliber, by the way !?

                  And I thought that 12 gauge, especially with buckshot (the same "Hatsan"), is more deadly at close range than the rifled sawed-off "Mosinka". repeat
                3. Intruder
                  Intruder 12 May 2021 05: 44
                  0
                  And I thought that 12 gauge, especially with buckshot (the same "Hatsan"), is more deadly at close range than the rifled sawed-off "Mosinka". feel
                  it is more convenient and cheap for a novice shooter, and the affected area is larger with buckshot at a short distance, just without proper training a sawed-off shotgun based on the Mosin rifle, this is of course, alas, not the right tool. for problem solving laughing ..
                4. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 12 May 2021 15: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: Intruder
                  it is more convenient and cheap for a novice shooter, and the affected area is larger with buckshot at a short distance, just without proper training a sawed-off shotgun based on the Mosin rifle, this is of course, alas, not the right tool. for problem solving

                  Duc. and what am I talking about?))
                5. Intruder
                  Intruder 12 May 2021 15: 52
                  0
                  Duc. and what am I talking about?))
                  Hmm, and I'm talking about the same thing - to sew a target at a short distance (up to 10 m.) ... with a bullet from a cartridge: 7,62 x54 R, literally with a "hole punch" from a short barrel (such as a sawn-off shotgun), or tear with buckshot: with a diameter from 5,25 - up to 8,8 mm., with an initial speed - up to 330-345 m / s. (for Magnum - up to 410-420 m / s), here everyone chooses for himself ...! And of course, the accuracy also affects: at 1 m - it is 92-88%, and at 10 m - it is already falling - up to 50-55%, so I remembered ... Although the bio-target itself, even a heavy bullet of this caliber, even buckshot ... everything is also hard and almost fatal!
                6. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 12 May 2021 15: 58
                  -2
                  Quote: Intruder
                  Duc. And what am I talking about?)) Well, I'm talking about the same thing - to sew a target at a short distance (up to 10 m.) ... with a bullet from a cartridge: 7,62 x54 R, literally with a "hole punch" from a short barrel (such as a sawn-off shotgun) , or tear with buckshot: with a diameter of 5,25 - up to 8,8 mm., with an initial speed - up to 330-345 m / s. (for Magnum - up to 410-420 m / s), here everyone chooses for himself ...! And of course, the accuracy also affects: at 1 m - it is 92-88%, and at 10 m - it is already falling - up to 50-55%, I remembered so.

                  You have written so many terms and numbers, this is superfluous for an amateur. I like the pump 12 buckshot and shorter at a distance of up to 25 meters and all the cases. And all these rifled cuttings of "mosinki" are too difficult and "difficult to control" for me. I am for simplicity (in some cases) and efficiency, of course, in my understanding.
                7. Intruder
                  Intruder 12 May 2021 19: 47
                  0
                  I like the pump 12 buckshot and shorter at a distance of up to 25 meters and all things
                  You have already written, suspiciously for an amateur, that ... wink One here in Kazan, the young alter of the Universe this week was already there, too, he solved universal errors in a short time ... I do not mean anything, but - there is always: "BUT" !?
                  Do you like the pump, just because of the buckshot? Duc, and you need to be able to cook it, the associated and standard configuration, wads or containers are different and its very weight and diameter, styling and other options are for different purposes and tasks, but the pump is omnivorous, unlike a semi-automatic, even with a smooth one, this is undeniable its quality, especially for a novice user, forgives both low maintenance and poor ammunition ...
                8. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 13 May 2021 16: 14
                  -2
                  Quote: Intruder
                  Do you like the pump, just because of the buckshot?

                  Yes, solely because of buckshot, short pump, short distances ... etc, etc.
  • stalki
    stalki 11 May 2021 20: 52
    0
    Well, society is constantly saturated with violence, how many world wars were there in the last century, and how many local ones for the colonies in the 19th century ???, though there are more sources of this information now, and the generation of 19-20 years old does not always see the coast and does not separate flies from cutlets , then it is necessary to teach citizens to defend themselves and protect defenseless children, at school, in the park and in the store, on the playground ... I just understand that my point of view is from the side of a legal user and a self-defender, who even has a tactically camouflaged shoulder bag into the board , constantly carried on the shoulder, and the holster on the left side (I manage with two equally, because training for me is a lifestyle ..., and the right one is needed for other things in the bag on the right, by the way ...), with mine " an evil friend ", but this is so ... a month ago, from a personal: at a shop, a puny (just up to 20 years old) showed a Chinese knife (one apparently considered himself a hero ...), after showing the holster, they dumped .. .the conflict is over, but the residue is unpleasant
    You are in your juice, sorry for such a comparison. This is when your judgment does not go beyond your bank. I was in such a position, it is very difficult to assess the prospects and opportunities. You are sure that man is a primitive species with an already written destiny and one road downward has been determined for us in advance. But a person has a choice, he has the right to do right or wrong. Do you think that a person is not able to control himself? So why do you need a "Colt" then, you are also a man? Yes, of course, I understand another, but there are also many others like that. I do not mind that you have something to defend yourself, I do not mind if people are able to defend themselves. But in the first place is the choice, I am for the fact that a person would be able to do without these instruments of death. To do this, you need to become a man, you need to be able to limit the instincts of an animal in your inner self, for this you need evolution. And you care only for "oh, you are so, then I am so too, or worse." Well, what will it lead to? To stagnation and degradation. You don't have to go far, the ball is small, there are already similar problems behind the puddle.
    Ps By the way, hooliganism another time with another person can take up a weighty argument. It is necessary to make people out of such people, in advance, from childhood, before the risk for them to become animals.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 20
      +1
      You are in your juice, sorry for such a comparison. This is when your judgment does not go beyond your bank.
      We all build our own worlds and stay in them until our death, most ... just like the shooter from Kazan! repeat
      So, what are the claims ... heard your point of view ...
      So why do you need a "Colt" then, you are also a man? Yes, of course, I understand another, but there are also many others like that. I do not mind that you have something to defend yourself, I do not mind if people are able to defend themselves. But in the first place is the choice, I am for the fact that a person would be able to do without these instruments of death. To do this, you need to become a man, you need to be able to limit the instincts of an animal in your inner self, for this you need evolution. And you care only for "oh, you are so, then I am so too, or worse." Well, what will it lead to? To stagnation and degradation. You don't have to go far, the ball is small, there are already similar problems behind the puddle.

      Not all people, inside ... surprisingly, well, this is a harsh truth, on this little ball, kind and brought up in greenhouse conditions of peacefulness and compromise, and "my Colt" is needed so as not to think about the theoretical consequences for my no longer young body and from the reactions of relatives in the morgue when this body is shown to them ... if I cannot exhaust the "conflict" before using it for bio-target, and also not play a dangerous game, such as: "closer than 6 feats" with a knife and other athletes , you just see the reality with you and me - so a little different and someone has cut ... scars on the body and just more fractures ... that's all ... I hope no personal offense !? good
      1. stalki
        stalki 11 May 2021 21: 27
        0
        you and I can see the reality - so a little different and someone has cut ... there are simply more scars on the body and fractures ... that's all ... I hope no personal offense !? 
        Yes, I was not angry with you, and I can hear you too. good
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 38
          +1
          Yes, I was not angry with you and I can hear you too
          So that's great... drinks
          It's just that when you are in front of another "person" and a citizen who is looking for a knife in the trunk, ignoring your remarks in a respectful manner on their actions, and then writes already in the police office that you attacked him within two seconds, managed to snatch from a jacket pocket, an object that looks very much like a personal weapon, you start to think differently about Humanity, and then you remember your loved ones ... and perhaps about a meeting with the Archangel Michael, if that kindest "man" could realize his thoughts in reality in that moment in time .., but the guy realized it and successfully ... at the same time, only there was no effective counterbalance, here and now, for that very short-term prevention of grief from the parents of innocent children at school and the teacher did not return home, or maybe she was expected and somehow, they even loved there ... Therefore, a life sentence for him, this is so - a profanation of collective powerlessness, and fear ... usual, so to speak from the sphere: the impossibility of saving oneself and loved ones or unfamiliar people th, from the gloomy and dark world of a 19-year-old idiot who simply did not give a damn about everything, and went out over the edges and then simply rubbed the school floor with someone else's blood ...
        2. stalki
          stalki 11 May 2021 21: 50
          0
          That is why I grieve along with the families that have lost someone. And after all, this can be prevented, not given the opportunity for such monsters to appear. As for the punishment, yes, for such hellish torments to leave such people alive, it is true, social impotence.
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 37
    +7
    Poison in their heads


    In this you are right.

    But only no school security will help. Not by guards, not by tanks. It is necessary to educate.
    1. stalki
      stalki 11 May 2021 20: 59
      +1

      But only no school security will help. Not by guards, not by tanks. It is necessary to educate.
      So that's why I'm interpreting.
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 11 May 2021 15: 09
    +11
    Something tells me that new Internet restrictions and restrictions on the purchase of hunting weapons await us ...
    Naturally, the authorities will take the simplest path, but this will not solve anything ...
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 39
      0
      Naturally, the authorities will take the simplest path


      And it has never been otherwise.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 11 May 2021 15: 34
    +2
    it will be allowed to have only muzzle-loaded wick guns with a length of at least 180 cm ... This is for your own safety and at the request of the Tereshkovo-Khinstein workers ...

    The stump is clear. Solntselikiy, what did he say - like to develop a new regulation on the types of weapons that may be in civilian circulation, may be in the hands of the population, taking into account the type of small arms used by the shooter.

    Considering that it was the most commonplace shotgun, apparently an assault weapon, it looks like a fuse fuse is shining for us ..
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 11 May 2021 15: 37
    +3
    He just knew what he was doing. On the social network, he stated that he, on a par with God, came to Earth to cleanse it of bio-debris. Another question: who got this idea into his head? And he announced this 2 days before the murder, posted a photo of himself in a mask and promised shoot himself, and Durov's social network did not report this to law enforcement officers. So Durov is also subject to punishment. Freedom of speech degenerates into permissiveness. Reasonable censorship does not interfere, but controls and saves.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 50
      +1
      Freedom of speech degenerates into permissiveness. Reasonable censorship does not interfere, but controls and saves.
      Well, so, freedom of one and rights - end on the verge, where they begin: the rights and freedom of the other, but this is so, if canonically ..., about our beautiful world, after or during the global pandemic threathi
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 11 May 2021 14: 50
    +8
    Quote: SERGE ant
    Is this a man after what he has done ..?

    In vain they called their name and surname, these creatures need to be depersonalized, they want glory even in this way, this should be taken away from them. Such should in the eyes of society cease to be people, at least in this way.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 May 2021 15: 20
      +5
      hunters, hold on ... now all the dogs will be lowered. even kitchen knives will be banned. see.
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 11 May 2021 16: 05
        -7
        Hunters really do not care, taiga inhabitants use rockers from their grandfathers and great-grandfathers. wink So the city's so-called hunters will be squeezed, and correct self-indulgence is not a vital necessity, and in a society of egoists-consumers, weapons are also a terrible thing. Let in shooting galleries and in Pyaterochkas, meat, shoot, - to the nature of harm m tongue
  • Vend
    Vend 11 May 2021 17: 07
    0
    According to media reports, the attackers used Turkish-made Hatsan ESCORT pump-action shotguns. Such weapons in our country can be purchased for about 25-30 thousand rubles. According to some reports, a similar weapon was used at one time by Roslyakov, who at one time staged a massacre in Kerch College.
    And now the trail has appeared. Where does a 19-year-old dude have that kind of money? So someone supplied him with this weapon.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 12 May 2021 01: 43
    +1
    Oh, horror ... I just learned this news! Kill eighth graders, and who's at hand ...
    It is difficult to even comment here, the death penalty must be returned! Sorry for the parents ...
    And the children cannot be returned! What ...
  • unhappy
    unhappy 12 May 2021 06: 42
    -1
    this person is a graduate of the 175th gymnasium in Kazan.
    Is this a man after what he has done ..?

    A person is a person until he proves the opposite by his action (c).
    It's simple, the question is closed. He became an inhuman, this one should ask for an easy and quick death, but he must live a long time since he strongly does not want to live.
  • atakan
    atakan 12 May 2021 13: 30
    +1
    Is this a man after what he has done ..?
    My guess is there is a network of coded zombies (sleeping) among us. On the required day, a signal or a call is given and the operation begins.
    This is the second similar case, and where the money came from these zombies, it is not said. 50 thousand from the unemployed plus money for certificates and registration papers from where?

    In general, the story is completely muddy. There is a certain group who like to calculate everything by the hour and day and believe in numerology as a science, and this zombie, with cancer in the brain, has been picked up quite well.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 May 2021 13: 47
    -13%
    .ilinsyaorp esv hedgehog
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 13: 57
      0
      What a meaningful comment. Did you want to stake out the first place?
      1. Gofman
        Gofman 11 May 2021 14: 23
        0
        What is the first place ... When deciphering the letters, it is guessed, they say: I ate stale in the morning ...
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 May 2021 14: 58
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      .ilinsyaorp esv hedgehog

      Alas, this is how the editor worked. Backwards. Tried to fix it but time limit ran out. And not to remove, and not to fix. laughing
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 13: 47
    0
    This bio-waste also had its own telegram channel with 4 subscribers.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 May 2021 13: 48
    +9
    At the age of 19, there is no soap in my head. Not that age, but after all, someone put such misanthropic thoughts into this empty head?
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 11 May 2021 14: 11
      +5
      At the age of 19, there is no soap in my head. Not that age, but after all, someone put such misanthropic thoughts into this empty head?
      Judging by the video of the interrogation, he may be mentally ill, although he may have just started to mow.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 11 May 2021 17: 21
        +1
        although it may just start mowing.
        it will not help him during the examination, an experienced psychiatrist will bring this 19 "freak" to the surface, the trailblazers will squeeze out in their own way, this is a socially resonant matter, there the interests of arms companies are affected in connection with possible new restrictions on legal ... , acquisition and use, etc.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 May 2021 14: 14
      +11
      Quote: APASUS
      At 19, there is no soap in my head.

      Here is another one from the University of Management, although so far only from the college with him. But these are questions for the University of Management. The principle of selection of students they have is somehow not right ... There, much more often than in an ordinary high school, you come across something like that with a complex of God
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 11 May 2021 17: 53
        +3
        The principle of selection of students they have is somehow not right ... There, much more often than in an ordinary higher school, there are such things with a complex of God
        Well, they provide educational services, and do not engage in psychiatric examinations that are free of charge at the expense of the state, this is no side to them at all, the question is different ... how much longer can you tighten the screws for self-defense and in matters of legalizing short-barrels (specifically for personal self-defense by citizens ... ) in countries where it is already strictly regulated or even prohibited at the legislative level in fact (the Russian Federation and part of Europe, with some archipelagos), and when everyone is given a bracelet with a bioactivity scanner, so for example fellow together with a passport, this is for fanatical lovers to prohibit and take away everything that can and should be protected their life and health with an environment from defenseless segments of the population (children and the elderly, as well as disabled and pregnant women) .... in order to immediately control excitability, and other parameters ... and send the orderlies to the required address ...!?
    3. Loh
      Loh 11 May 2021 14: 24
      +18
      Those. at 14 you can jump with a parachute, at 16 you can drive a vehicle, at 18 you can be drafted into the army, you can fly an airplane, and at "19 there is no soap in my head"? Well, well ..., an attempt to justify they are children
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 May 2021 15: 05
        +5
        Quote: Loh
        Those. at 14 you can jump with a parachute, at 16 you can drive a vehicle, at 18 you can be drafted into the army, you can fly an airplane, and at "19 there is no soap in my head"? Well, well ..., an attempt to justify they are children

        In my time, there was one speech therapy group for the entire children. Now I have a psychologist working in the kindergarten, and from next year there will be one group for children with no disabilities.
        Why did they transfer children to school for 11 years, did not ask themselves the question ............... acceleration of the body does not mean the presence of a brain.
        This is not an excuse for bloodshed, this is a statement of fact - children have become commonplace brakes, computers, lifestyle propaganda, gadgets and toys are doing their job. Look who are the heroes of the youth now - the scumbag Morgenstern, Buzova, Navalny and other evil spirits. And the rating of the same games ................
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 11 May 2021 15: 22
          +3
          Quote: APASUS
          children have become commonplace brakes, computers, lifestyle propaganda, gadgets and toys are doing their job

          I'm sure of that too.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 11 May 2021 13: 49
    +20
    My condolences to the parents of the dead children, and the recovery of the injured children ...

    It is a pity that these utyrkov cannot be sprayed.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 11 May 2021 13: 54
    +14
    It is a pity that we have abolished the death penalty for such utyrkas. One, however, was sorted out on the spot.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 May 2021 13: 54
    +4
    So it turns out there were three of them, one of them is 40 years old.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 May 2021 13: 59
      +3
      Not. This waste was one. Information about accomplices is false.
    2. Andobor
      Andobor 11 May 2021 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      So it turns out there were three of them, one of them is 40 years old.

      - Feycomets are working.
  • viktor.
    viktor. 11 May 2021 13: 54
    +10
    Data is presented that Galyaviev has recently been active on his Telegram channel, where he declared his readiness to "kill a lot of biomass, since this is a mistake of the Universe." At the same time, the terrorist compared himself to God, declaring that he wants "recognition from those around him as slaves." belay belay This Weapon Model is guilty !!!! And Punish All Guys Owners Of Weapons In Russia !!!! How simple it is with us! All Problem Solved !! belay
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 May 2021 14: 20
      +5
      Quote: viktor.
      And Punish All Guys Owners Of Weapons In Russia !!!! How simple it is with us! All Problem Solved !!

      We can do it, grandfather has already given the order. And there are a lot of options to choose from. From storing weapons in LRO to limiting 2 charges (as in Germany). So, comrades hunters, we keep our fists. But I think they will raise their age or make military service to obtain a license compulsory.
      1. viktor.
        viktor. 11 May 2021 14: 35
        +12
        Age and years from 25 not earlier, why would a young guy need a weapon? If the Hunter Then Recommendations and Reviews from the Hunters, the Army this moment Controversial but necessary if something is wrong with the Psyche, then Yes. I think something like that.
        1. hhurik
          hhurik 11 May 2021 15: 06
          +7
          Then in the army - from the age of 25. And the driver's license should not be issued earlier - the number of victims of car users is in the thousands. A hunting ticket "with recommendations and reviews" was once abolished due to corruption - I remember very well how an asset of alcoholics of these offices sold them to everyone for ridiculous money and a drink.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 54
          -1
          Army this moment Controversial but necessary if something is wrong with the Psyche then Yes. I think something like that.
          To the army and to the training ground, also from the age of 25 to take only !? Or, after the recommendations: the club of hunters and amateur fishermen ... laughing
      2. hhurik
        hhurik 11 May 2021 14: 54
        -1
        Well, FIG knows. After the Kerch shooter, it somehow resolved, and they also proposed to ban everything. Rather, the National Guard will be forced to use the parents to protect schools for the loot - a profitable topic for Zolotov.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 11 May 2021 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: hhurik
          Rather, the National Guard will be forced to use the parents to protect schools for the loot - a profitable topic for Zolotov.
          We citizens of Russia pay taxes that go to the maintenance of the Rossguard - let them guard them - they have already transferred our taxes ...
          There can be no question of additional fees - let them work out what they have already been transferred to (Zolotov, after all, receives a salary + bonuses).
    2. lucul
      lucul 11 May 2021 14: 33
      +7
      where he declared his readiness to "kill a lot of bio-waste, since this is a mistake of the Universe." At the same time, the terrorist compared himself to God,

      I'm wondering - who was this anchor in his subconscious, huh?
      It would not hurt to find.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 11 May 2021 14: 46
        +5
        Quote: lucul
        I'm wondering - who was this anchor in his subconscious, huh?
        It would not hurt to find.

        And I wonder who gave him a medical certificate with such an anchor? Moreover, almost less than two months ago, it seems on April 28 a license for a weapon was issued (if the media does not lie)
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 11 May 2021 21: 57
        0
        It would not hurt to find.
        Duc, they have already found it ... he laid it himself, with the help of mass media in the network, and there are not such samples, with a wide flight of thought, about bio-debris and such an incorrect form of the Universe!
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 13: 55
    +17
    What could this have happened, according to reviews, with a quiet, non-conflict 19 year old young man ... why just now he took and went to kill defenseless people.
    Tightening the turnover of weapons will not solve the problem of attacks on children, but will create even more problems for law-abiding gun owners.
    First, it is necessary to determine the cause of this illness of young people fixated on cruelty towards their peers and teachers ... after all, this is not the first and not the last unfortunately case of an attack on children and teachers.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 11 May 2021 14: 08
      +6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      determine the cause of this disease of youth obsessed with violence

      Now, as usual, there will be a surge in computer games - they say, it is they who are to blame for everything, and in general - the pernicious influence of the West.
      After all, it is much easier to come up with a reason than to admit that we just hammered a bolt on modern youth. They are left to themselves, that is why they create all kinds of fierce game.

      Tightening arms trafficking won't solve the problem

      Of course it won't - but the main thing is not to solve problems, but to appoint someone to blame, right?
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 11 May 2021 22: 01
        0
        there will be a surge in computer games - they say, it is they who are to blame for everything, and in general - the pernicious influence of the West.
        Poor - all sorts of "Steam and GOG" !? Plus, the trackers will be covered .. and again on optical discs / (hard in pockets) in the markets .., slowly returning to pirates, without multiplayers ... and other popular distributions of the original Russian method ... wink
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 11 May 2021 14: 14
      -1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      First, you need to determine the cause of this illness of young people fixated on cruelty to their peers and teachers ...

      The fact that the formation of a personality occurs in the res-those of interaction with the environment is, as it were, not news. And if the further, the more such masters of the golaktiGi are formed, then the reasons should be looked not in young people, but in a society that uncles and aunts over 50 are enthusiastically building. yes
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 48
        -2
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        with gusto build uncles and aunts for 50

        So let's give the green light to governing the country for such a 19-year-old, well, or Ksyusha Navalny, for example, and exclude the more experienced in life from the authorities altogether.
        Have you even thought about what you are writing about?
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 11 May 2021 15: 31
          +4
          Quote: Irokez
          and the more experienced in life will generally be excluded from the authorities.
          Have you even thought about what you are writing about?

          I think and understand. Unlike you.
          Pay attention to the + -, in my post above. 2 out of 3 do not agree that we ourselves have created a society that gives rise to such geeks. You see, 2 out of 3 blame anyone, Americans, Islamist radicals, Jewish extremists, evil reptilians. But if you think about it, is it possible to trust the levers of power to those who are to blame for everyone around them, but not themselves? But the society in which this "censored" grew up is you, me, who are reading this article, our friends and relatives, and not the mysterious "enemies of Russia." So ... Not the stupidest idea, to change to change the "experienced", leading the country to hell knows where.
          Oh yes. Here's how they came up with a proverb especially for such a case. There is no reason to blame the mirror, since the face is crooked. yes
          We ourselves are building a society that divides people into proper people and bio-waste. Remind me of the phrase about macaroshkas, for example? Or that teaching a working cattle is not worth it? Dear personalities, state officials, by the way, spoke out. Experienced. Yeah. And what will grow on such actions and statements of those in power? But then yes. We have nothing to do with it. This mirror is wrong. yes
          1. loki565
            loki565 11 May 2021 16: 08
            +4
            Pay attention to the + -, in my post above.

            Do you really pay attention to the pluses on the Internet? Now any social network can be cheated, so this is not an indicator at all ...
          2. Irokez
            Irokez 11 May 2021 16: 27
            -3
            Well, it turns out I'm writing complete nonsense without logic and comprehension?
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Not the stupidest idea, to change to change the "experienced", leading the country to hell knows where.

            Not the devil knows, but logic dictates.
            Judging the correctness of a thought by likes is not a gratifying thing, because someone agrees with the opinion, but against the person himself and therefore puts a minus here, not objectivity, but subjectivity in the opinion.
            Well, remember who you chose among the experienced and skillful - that's right (I’m already responsible for you) the most experienced and skillful because they know what they are doing and doing, and not those young, strong and crazy people who only licked milk from their lips. The elder of the tribe, gray-haired sages, an experienced commander, an educated person - yes, these are those who can lead people and they trust and support him. But you propose to give power to a gray horse without experience and knowledge, which will wave a sword at its discretion, whim, ambition and the worst emotions, and hotly chop everything and everyone (it would not break the wood). It is necessary to manage with a cold and sober head rather than a hot and emotional one, and even more so often and secretly whipped by enemies.
            And it’s not the time right now (as you say with proverbs) to change the centuries-old and wise saying: “They don’t change horses on the crossing” because the current time is a time of change, dangerous and unstable when you can stumble.
            And as for the guilty in everything, it is an eternal dilemma - who is to blame. And no one says that he is not to blame because even in the state there is no ideality, but not only the state and the government are to blame, but also those who are in charge on the ground and who walk by without doing anything (like my hut is on the edge). Well, the government cannot sit in every school or institute and monitor the students. You do not need to look for all the guilty ones at the top - you really need to look in the local mirror and look for crooked faces there (here I support you).
            Everything is correct about macaroons and bio-waste or toxic people and the result of the government is obvious - where are these officials, are they sitting in the same place or in another place? That is, they work and clean up officials, but probably this is not an example for you - I understand. It and all sorts of mayors and governors, which by the way was in the USSR when they dismissed presumptuous local secretaries from their posts or do not remember already?
            Always and everywhere officials have been stealing and stealing, and they will surely steal, but you don't need to cut one size fits all with a bald head, you can reduce such crooks, but never get rid of them completely. This is the law of life, since there is nothing ideal in the world like my this post.
            I hope I told you something useful.
            1. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 11 May 2021 16: 58
              +2
              Crossing horses do not change


              I agree. Do not change. They are being shot.
            2. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 11 May 2021 17: 25
              +6
              Quote: Irokez
              "Horses at the crossing do not change"

              21,5 years old the horse is ferried. He likes to cross, everything is better than plowing. lol
              Quote: Irokez
              Where are these officials, are they sitting in the same place or in another place?

              Well, Kudrin, who said that it is not a trace of slaves to teach, for example, rules the Accounting Chamber. There is nothing to punish him for. Strictly adheres to the general line. Well, you think the record leaked, he said something for his own people, and what the slaves overheard was not his fault.
              Quote: Irokez
              Always and everywhere officials steal and steal

              Em. Well, give an example of a country (from more or less civilized, not like Somalia), where the president, when asked about the corrupt use of special forces, sends questions to this very special forces. It sends in simpler terms, except that it is censored. The question is not what is being stolen. The point is that double standards are being put on display. Cynically. And such behavior of the head of state stupidly cannot but corrupt society. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi no longer works. What is permissible for Jupiter, then the bulls want to create. Alas, but such are the times.
              Quote: Irokez
              because someone agrees with the opinion, but against the person himself and therefore puts a minus here, and here it is not objectivity, but subjectivity in the opinion.

              And this, by the way, is a matter of public health. No matter how badly you treat a person, but minus the post where it will be said that it is not good to genocide Russians ... My yesterday, this is the subject, collected more than 40% of the minuses ... Yesterday I let the hedgehog go. See the result. I looked. And in any case, whether it is personal hostility, or moral convictions, the result is the same. Since in VO, where on average the audience is relatively sane, this is observed ... Our society hurts, it hurts very seriously, we are catching up with Westerners at an accelerated pace, if we have not yet caught up. But these ... About whom the article speaks, only symptoms of the disease of society. And if we continue to develop, as we are developing now ...
          3. Intruder
            Intruder 11 May 2021 22: 03
            +1
            dividing people into people proper and bio-waste
            an old German man, already standing up to his full height, in the next world ... wink
          4. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 12 May 2021 08: 52
            0
            As usual, everything flows smoothly into politotas, using template phrases ...
    3. Semak
      Semak 11 May 2021 14: 18
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      First, it is necessary to determine the cause of this illness of young people fixated on cruelty towards their peers and teachers ... after all, this is not the first and not the last unfortunately case of an attack on children and teachers.

      The reason is trivial and simple. Who will resist the armed ku, in the flesh until it is physically eliminated, at school, but no one!
      1. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 11 May 2021 17: 00
        +5
        Who will resist


        He will sit down for exceeding the limits of necessary defense.
        1. Semak
          Semak 11 May 2021 17: 29
          +2
          Vooot, and this is another reason why these ki go to kill in schools and other places of mass stay of the civilian population, and not in some police department.
          Well, when he exceeded the limits of necessary self-defense, he did not kill with chess.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 11 May 2021 22: 04
            0
            and not in some ROVD.
            Well, when he exceeded the limits of necessary self-defense, he did not kill with chess.
            to the ROSGVARDIA and the FSB !? wink
          2. hhurik
            hhurik 11 May 2021 23: 02
            +1
            Actually, EMNIP, in 2019 there was a shooting in Lubyanka and an explosion in the FSB reception room in Arkhangelsk a year earlier. Well, that's it, from memory.
            1. Semak
              Semak 12 May 2021 07: 16
              +1
              And this is all that can be immediately recalled at once and then, because it was not so long ago. And how many such terrorist attacks were there against civilian targets? Lot.
              Nooo, these scum clearly know where and why they are going, and attacks on the security forces, so, show that they can also be attacked, but these scum, understand that they will be shot there almost immediately, and the victims may be in general not to be, but after these attacks, on the Lubyanka and the FSB of Arkhangelsk, they will not only come up to a guaranteed defeat distance, but even an aiming distance.
    4. Qwertyarion
      Qwertyarion 11 May 2021 14: 25
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      What could this have happened according to reviews with a quiet, non-conflict 19 year old young

      Who cares what could have happened to him ..... He got stoned, read it out, got drunk .. It’s not the point, the point is the ineffectiveness of the security system of facilities that allow the entry of an armed man
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 14: 33
        +7
        Security in itself in the form of turnstiles and guards at the entrance is an empty phrase, there is already a video of the first interrogation of the detainee ... there is nothing human in it ... only hatred, anger ... it feels like another ghoul came out of hell to get drunk on a human blood ... unfortunately got drunk.
        1. Qwertyarion
          Qwertyarion 11 May 2021 15: 05
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          By itself, security in the form of turnstiles and guards at the entrance is an empty phrase,

          But the solution to the issue of child safety must be ...
          Not for show, like that a grandmother with a turnstile at one of ten open doors at the school is installed and she was given a 100-page instruction on preventive measures, etc. T. D. I. T. P.
          When the Roslyakov attack took place, the obvious and cheapest method of resolving the issue of real countering criminals would be to equip school staff with military weapons. Of course, not all, of course only men, but this is at least something, and a man at the turnstile with a button to call the outfit can not oppose anything to the beast with a barrel.
          And another law tightening the sale, keeping weapons for respectable citizens will not solve anything
          1. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 11 May 2021 17: 08
            +5
            ... nothing can oppose the beast with a barrel.


            And with a weapon he will not be able. It is impossible to be constantly on "alert". No security can handle it psychologically.
            1. Qwertyarion
              Qwertyarion 11 May 2021 18: 56
              +1
              This is the point. The guard at the turnstile is 100% the first victim of the attack, his location is known, but several employees inside the school are not.
              Plus a face recognition system (or another recognition system) and automatic doors.
              The door should not open before a stranger, and if the door is broken open, the guard will have time to react.
              It is necessary to exclude the surprise of the attack. The guard will press the panic button, the signal will be received by the services and those employees inside the school that are armed. School staff must act according to the circumstances, according to the instructions.
              And there will be no need to make a fortress out of school, especially since this is not possible on a national scale.
    5. Doccor18
      Doccor18 11 May 2021 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Lech from Android.

      ... after all, this is not the first and unfortunately not the last case of an attack on children and teachers.

      Unfortunately...
      And after all, they choose whom to attack, the most defenseless, the children ...

      To the relatives and friends of the victims - condolences, and to the victims - a speedy recovery.
      And what a psychological trauma many have now ...
  • Prjanik
    Prjanik 11 May 2021 13: 58
    0
    Somehow the influence of Mr. Navalny has breathed, he positions himself and those around him in about the same way.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 14: 04
      +9
      It is necessary to increase the age of obtaining a weapon permit ...
      It is unacceptable to give weapons to people with an unsettled psyche.
      In addition, a personal file should be established for each owner of the weapon, to put it mildly ... where it is necessary to enter the details of his behavior in society, starting from school, at the first signs of inadequacy, drunkenness, drug addiction, radicalism, mental disorder, withdraw the weapon immediately.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 11 May 2021 14: 17
        -14%
        In our realities - it's easier then it's stupid to prohibit everything at all .. Who knows what exactly our valiant authorities will consider as radicalism or inadequacy?

        There was a case in the 90s, in my opinion someone from the early AKM was tried. During the examination he was asked - is he ready to give his life for his homeland? He naturally answered - yes. Do you know what they wrote to him in the conclusion? Suicidal !!
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 14: 41
          -2
          It is not necessary to forbid everything ... this is nonsense. But additional filters are needed for inadequate ones.
          Somehow I don't want a drunk electrician to stuff me with buckshot out of resentment in the country.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 11 May 2021 15: 16
            +4
            Somehow I don't want a drunk electrician to stuff me with buckshot out of resentment in the country.
            Will it be easier for you if he hacks you with an ax, or inserts a rusty knife into your liver?
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 15: 32
              0
              Add here a pitchfork, a hoe, a bayonet shovel, a sledgehammer, a crowbar finally ... but just a chain from a well ... there is a video where in the village three drunken thugs killed a passing passer-by with a crowbar ... I've seen enough of everyone ...
              Not long ago, a passer-by seemed to be a witch to some scumbag ... after that he beat him with a hammer and went home as if nothing had happened after that.
              Any of us can be attacked in the most unexpected way ... such is the la vie.
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 11 May 2021 15: 34
                +1
                Add here a pitchfork, a hoe, a bayonet shovel, a sledgehammer, a crowbar finally ... but just a chain from a well ... there is a video where in the village three drunken thugs killed a passing passer-by with a crowbar ... I've seen enough of everyone ...
                Not long ago, a passer-by seemed to be a witch to some scumbag ... after that he beat him with a hammer and went home as if nothing had happened after that.
                Any of us can be attacked in the most unexpected way ... such is the la vie.
                But is the firearm to blame anyway?
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 15: 54
                  -1
                  The person to whom this firearm is contraindicated is to blame.
                  I bought it and thinks that he is God and is free to dispose of the fate of people.
                2. loki565
                  loki565 11 May 2021 16: 21
                  -5
                  But is the firearm to blame anyway?

                  If the attacker was with a knife, he would not have had time to do so many troubles, and high school students could banal with chairs from him, judging by the video, this is some kind of suffocate.
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 11 May 2021 22: 56
                    0
                    If the attacker was without a gun, he would have brought more home-made grenades with him and the result would have been even worse.
                  2. hhurik
                    hhurik 11 May 2021 23: 06
                    +2
                    Is it okay that he fabricated a bomb and detonated it? What is typical - he did not need any licenses for this at all, as well as "Kerch". There will be no shit - it will detonate two bombs. Or three. Fight back or what?
        2. Irokez
          Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 56
          -2
          Oh, you're already here.
          Quote: paul3390
          Under our realities, it’s easier then it’s stupid to prohibit everything.

          For safety, yes, but they will not forbid (you can rejoice), but rather they will again restrict and twist, but everything is for your own good and the good of your children.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 11 May 2021 15: 00
            -2
            You better take care of yourself. And about your children, if there are of course. And for my good - I will somehow take care of it without stupid advisers.
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 11 May 2021 15: 10
              +1
              Well, stupidity is a loose concept, but I really try to take care of myself like everyone else (smart) who sometimes does not know what they are doing.
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 11 May 2021 16: 11
            +2
            For safety, yes, but they will not forbid (you can rejoice), but rather they will again restrict and twist, but everything is for your own good and the good of your children.
            And I would, for your benefit and the benefit of your children, cut off the Internet for you.
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 11 May 2021 16: 52
              0
              Quote: 72jora72
              would cut off the internet for you

              Thank you for that too, otherwise they will suddenly be cut off for my own good. ))) am
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 11 May 2021 22: 57
                0
                So arm yourself! In order not to fold your head for nothing.
                1. Irokez
                  Irokez 12 May 2021 08: 27
                  0
                  Well, if only to sit in the tank, although the armor will be pierced. There is no perfect defense.
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 11 May 2021 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It is necessary to increase the age of obtaining a weapon permit ...

        That is, in the army, an 18-year-old can be entrusted (allowed) with an automatic rifled ... And a civilian "smoothbore" from the age of 21.? Or from 25?
        This is stupid.
        Previously, no hunts. a ticket and a guarantee from members of the hunting community, you won't get any permission. This is not counting the characteristics of the place of residence, work, study. Bypassing neighborhood neighbors with a survey and notification that your neighbor wants to buy a gun ... How do you feel about this? And if, at least one is against, write wasted ...
        It's easier now.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 14: 38
          +1
          In the army, an 18-year-old boy under the supervision of commanders and senior comrades ... In which case they will calm down with return fire ... Although, as in the case of Shamsutdinov, this may not happen.
          1. vl903
            vl903 11 May 2021 15: 44
            -1
            here about shamsutdinov is not necessary. in fact, he was there for the bastards and those who sympathize with them, and just punished all those who agreed. but if he had happened at school, he would have entered the battle, but as suggested by some armed physical education instructor, it is not a fact. it takes courage and principles of life. do all teachers have them? all the same, a teacher should be a teacher and love children and not be a Rambo
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 54
            0
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            In which case they will calm down with return fire ...
            Here, and in the civilian world, too, so it must be done.
        2. Irokez
          Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 54
          -1
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          It's stupid

          No, it's not stupid, and at least some measure out of many to protect even you from such cases.
        3. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 11 May 2021 20: 40
          0
          Quote: LiSiCyn

          Previously, no hunts. a ticket and a guarantee from members of the hunting community, you won't get any permission.
          It's easier now.
          From 1953 to 1959, a hunting ticket was not required ...
        4. bk0010
          bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 53
          +2
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          It's easier now.
          Seriously? Previously, hunting rifles in hardware stores were sold, simply, without permits and certificates. Now you need to get a hunting ticket, a certificate from a psychiatrist, a narcologist, take courses, pass a test, go to the LRO, get a green piece of paper, buy a gun, and then get permission from the LRO. Rifled - 5 years after the purchase of a smoothbore.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 11 May 2021 21: 09
            -4
            Quote: bk0010
            Previously, hunting rifles in hardware stores were sold, simply, without permits and certificates.

            Before, this is when? Under the Tsar?
            I do not need to tell, I myself received permission in the early 90s, while the "sovsystem" was still operating by inertia.
            My uncle, through hunting society, made an application for IL-58 (new) and waited decently.
            Yeah, all the shops (household) were littered with trunks.
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 11 May 2021 22: 47
              +1
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Before, this is when? Under the Tsar?
              Under Khrushchev, for sure.
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn 11 May 2021 23: 46
                +1
                You, and other commentators, do not confuse THAT people and "this" one too much. That people, if we're talking about ..
                Quote: bk0010
                Under Khrushchev

                was disciplined, built and trained. And the registration was carried out (without any Internet) in such a way that such cases were extremely rare and were limited to censorship in the media. As far as I know, there were no massive ones and, as a rule, outside the school.
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 12 May 2021 13: 32
                  0
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  You, and other commentators, do not confuse THAT people, and "this".
                  Take a look at Moldova: everybody drinks, free sale of arms and no incidents. The people are the same. In the Baltics (I don't remember in which country specifically) there is also free sale of weapons and no incidents. Also our former people.
      3. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 11 May 2021 14: 29
        -3
        I agree that the age of possession of a firearm must be increased - it must be sold only to families with at least one child and after 40 years ... And it is imperative to keep the weapon not at home but in the warehouses of the National Guard (paid, of course). And every year to pass a special medical examination and re-certification for possession (again, for a fee) ... Issue cartridges against signature from Rosguard warehouses with a mandatory detailed report on how each of the cartridges was used ... wassat
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 11 May 2021 15: 18
          +9
          I agree that the age of possession of a firearm should be increased - it should be sold only to families with at least one child and after 40 years ..
          No, I suggest after 80 years, so that for sure.
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 11 May 2021 20: 43
          0
          Quote: Cat Kuzya
          I agree that the age of possession of a firearm should be increased - only sold to families with at least one child and after 40 years ... wassat
          And sell blunt knives ... so as not to cut yourself wassat
          A joke if that ...
        3. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 11 May 2021 23: 01
          0
          With the obligatory delivery of the shot casings and, most importantly, bullets to the Rosguard! good
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 12 May 2021 01: 25
            -1
            Quote: sharp-lad
            With the obligatory delivery of the shot casings and, most importantly, bullets to the Rosguard

            And be sure to pay for it!))
        4. Tank hard
          Tank hard 12 May 2021 01: 24
          -1
          Quote: Kuzya the Cat
          And every year to pass a special medical examination and recertification for possession (again, for a fee) ..

          Here's the secret to boosting the economy! You cannot crush us with any sanction. Just pay, pay, pay ...)))
      4. Doccor18
        Doccor18 11 May 2021 14: 55
        +4
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It is necessary to increase the age of obtaining a weapon permit ...
        It is unacceptable to give weapons to people with an unsettled psyche ...
        All my childhood friends used to carry their fathers' guns. And everyone was fine with the psyche. It never even occurred to anyone to use a weapon against a person. And the most serious disagreements ended in banal hand-to-hand combat, one-on-one.
        And now the population has less and less weapons, and the resonant attacks with mass executions are not diminishing. So is it a weapon?
        Young people are abandoned, most of them have a lot of extra time that they spend on the Internet. But there, with a fragile psyche, there is definitely nothing to do. Now the Internet is both a great blessing and a great evil ...
      5. Semak
        Semak 11 May 2021 14: 57
        +2
        drunkenness

        In this case, almost all hunters need to be deprived of their license. Do you know what happens at each opening of the season?
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 15: 23
          -1
          Not only in the know, but also regularly watch videos of mountain hunters ...
          One drunk in the hollow fell asleep, the weapon cartridges are lying nearby, take a gift of fate ... or some scumbag with a rifle shot a bear in public, bathing in the river in front of amazed people ... why?
          In general, there are more than enough problems with some owners of firearms.
        2. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 11 May 2021 15: 45
          +5
          Do you know what happens at each opening of the season?
          .... in the know .... it is necessary to ban cans and bottles ... all evil lurks in them
      6. minus
        minus 11 May 2021 15: 04
        +8
        And all this is not necessary! It is enough to comply with even existing laws to significantly reduce the risk of such situations! 99% of health certificates are issued without any verification usually! Looked at the psychiatrist, no, in the card index, healthy .... And then they are bought .... Often the availability of safes for storage is not checked .... Now I am not the owner of any weapon. And at one time, since his school years, he was in the society of hunters and fishermen. In order to, upon reaching the age of majority, be able to purchase. And the hunters wrote a description of me ... And now half of the unbalanced get licenses, half of the junkies ... Not tightening is needed, but the adequacy of performance .... But it's easier for them to tighten the nuts and not work! But alcohol and drugs are covered! The whole city is painted through stencils ..... Alcohol points have been working for decades !!! Example - Minusinsk, Oborony st. 55, entrance 2, 1st floor - they have been brewing Khimka for a year already! Almost around the clock! Everywhere the tenants complained ... No reaction !!!! Can you imagine how to live there? When is the solvent evaporated almost round the clock ???? Some tenants are already selling apartments! And after that you say that there is no roof in the organs ???? am
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 11 May 2021 15: 13
          -1
          It is enough to comply with even existing laws to significantly reduce the risk of such situations!


          It is easier to prevent a crime than to deal with the consequences. But this requires a working set of measures, their system. And she just failed.
          There is a system of precinct MIA. Any precinct officer is obliged (!) To know the entire contingent in his area. And in advance to highlight the suspicious and inadequate, to have before the eyes of everyone who is in one or another risk group. There is no such thing as “blowing the roof off” and someone going to kill. This is always preceded by a rather long period with more and more obvious manifestations. The district police officer did not react, the system failed.
          The killer had a registered weapon. This means that the turnover control system has also failed. Medicine, which issued a certificate of the killer's mental normality, also failed.
          In Russia, under the guise of fighting extremism, a system of total surveillance of the Internet and cellular communications has been introduced. "Yarovaya package". The killer posted a message about the impending crime a few hours before the attack. Did the Yarovaya package work? Not. Billions down the drain. It is clear that it is much easier to fabricate the "New Greatness" case than to actually track psychopaths, murderers and terrorists.
          Conclusion - all existing control systems have failed. The state is conducting terror against the population, but all its terrorist gadgets did not react in any way to the real killer.



          From the page of Yuri Boldyrev ...
          1. minus
            minus 11 May 2021 15: 17
            +2
            I have never met the district police officer at the last two addresses of residence in 10 years ... And before that I ran and searched for three weeks ... It was true for a long time ... He had no time, then there was no competition ... then. So I wrote a piece of paper about the inspection of the presence of a safe ...
            PS
            I remember being friends with the guys in 1989 or 1990. Well, that's how they grew up normal. But then they were registered with the KDN. A week after meeting them, the district police officer came home. Conduct a preventive conversation)))) Then the precinct officers were still working)))
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 May 2021 15: 21
              0
              Alas, the precinct police officers are so wrapped up with gigantic piles of paperwork and work unusual for them that they often have neither the strength, nor the time, nor the desire for real activity on the ground ..
              1. minus
                minus 11 May 2021 15: 24
                +3
                As well as doctors and teachers ... They are also not busy with work, but with pieces of paper ...
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 57
          -1
          Quote: Minus
          99% of health certificates are issued without any verification usually! Looked at the psychiatrist - there is no in the card index, he is healthy ... And then they are bought ... Often the availability of safes for storage is not checked ...
          It’s not like that. The psychiatrist talks, you hand over the drug test, the district safe checks (I was forced to screw me to the wall with an anchor, although this is not required by law).
      7. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 11 May 2021 17: 14
        +1
        It is necessary to increase

        It is unacceptable to give

        ... Moreover


        You can hang bells in your nose so that you can hear ....
        Need, Need... . Who will do it?

        It is necessary to educate society, develop and conduct appropriate internal policies. Once upon a time .... The world is in danger. The children will wait.
      8. bk0010
        bk0010 11 May 2021 20: 47
        -1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        It is necessary to increase the age of obtaining a weapon permit ...
        Well, yes, a tank is given at the age of 18, but a shotgun is not allowed.
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        In addition, a personal file should be established for each owner of the weapon.
        Duc, already.
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        radicalism
        Well, yes, it will, of course, help ... They will always find weapons.
      9. Obliterator
        Obliterator 11 May 2021 23: 15
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        In addition, a personal file should be established for each owner of the weapon, to put it mildly ... where it is necessary to enter the details of his behavior in society, starting from school, at the first signs of inadequacy, drunkenness, drug addiction, radicalism, mental disorder, withdraw the weapon immediately.

        There will be no one to do this surveillance. In general, the problem with maniacs, mass shooters is that
        usually outwardly seem to be more than adequate people, and the LRR inspector simply has no reason not to give a license. The only place where you can really catch their "true face" is the Internet. The applicant's network history must be examined by the authorities. It is not clear only how to get to any closed communities from the technical point of view.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 11 May 2021 14: 29
      -9
      Somehow the influence of Mr. Navalny has breathed, he positions himself and those around him in about the same way.

      Actually, it was Putin who positioned the presidents above the rest of the people ..

      "You can have any point of view regarding the policy of the President of Belarus Lukashenko Alexander Grigorievich. But the practice of organizing coups d'etat, plans of political assassinations, including senior officials - this is too much. All boundaries have already been crossed"- he continued.
      Like, if not a top official, then the boundaries have not been crossed ..
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 May 2021 18: 34
        +1
        Quote: Roman070280
        Like, if not a top official, then the boundaries have not been crossed ..

        Not certainly in that way.
        But the practice of organizing coups, plans of political assassinations, including high-ranking officials - this is too much. All boundaries have already been crossed.

        "This is too much"in this phrase refers to all political assassinations. And top officials are just a subset of the many politicians.
      2. Prjanik
        Prjanik 11 May 2021 23: 40
        -1
        A stupid comparison, they forgot how Navalny behaved in court, the same clinic, but how he washed the brains of youngsters, and then such infantile thugs turn out, shouting: I am the power here, and you are bio-waste
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 11 May 2021 13: 59
    +14
    Any tool, an ax, a shovel, a stick, not to mention a firearm, can be used as a murder weapon. The main motivation. You can even prohibit looking at a weapon, it will not change anything. The best upbringing was in the USSR. And who and how is doing this now. . In the hands of children shooting games, in these games to kill the enemy is a trifling matter.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 11 May 2021 14: 07
      +3
      Here we look - a barrel of 30 tyrov, a safe, a medical board, cartridges - 40 thousand at least per circle. Where does an unemployed 19-year-old jerk get that kind of money? Plus - in Hatsan there are 4 rounds, 1 in the barrel - which means, judging by the number of victims, either he hit the crowd with buckshot, or was still reloading. To reload the grenade launcher when you are nervous - you need to have at least some skill, and he just bought a gun. Strange though. For example, during the first shots, I constantly dropped cartridges even at the shooting range ..
      1. Adimius38
        Adimius38 11 May 2021 14: 23
        +6
        That's right, to get this trunk is a lot of time, money, authorities, but not everyone will bother with it. I would not say that it is easy to get weapons in our country.
        1. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya 11 May 2021 14: 37
          +5
          It is necessary to "break through" the parents of this character and their connections. Something suggests that everything is not so simple there ... winked
      2. Prax1
        Prax1 11 May 2021 14: 33
        -4
        Maybe he worked as a cladman. This amount can be "earned" there in a couple of days.
      3. Roman070280
        Roman070280 11 May 2021 14: 33
        -11%
        40 thousand at least per circle. Where does an unemployed 19-year-old jerk get that kind of money?

        I bought my daughter in the 6th grade for 18 thousand more .. I say - why such an expensive Nteba is needed .. so she "complained" that in their school every second one walks with an iPhone for 60 tyrs ..
        A friend has a 17-year-old son in the summer on a motorcycle vacation earned himself ..
        What are you talking about..
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 11 May 2021 15: 04
        -3
        The safe is not always checked directly with us, in general, everyone does not care, they can just take their word for it, it is necessary to monitor everything when obtaining a license, if a ready-made terrorist is rubbing on any pro-Western resources, such a weapon is in no way impossible.
        And it would be right to increase the age, delirium to sell weapons to stupid youngsters.
      5. Obliterator
        Obliterator 11 May 2021 23: 18
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        Here we look - a barrel of 30 tyrov, a safe, a medical board, cartridges - 40 thousand at least per circle. Where does an unemployed 19-year-old jerk get that kind of money?

        Easily. Pins of this age trades in the delivery of metal and has a decent amount of money for it. Orphaned metal heaps, and what a lot of what they can steal.
      6. Aag
        Aag 12 May 2021 10: 54
        0
        Quote: paul3390
        Here we look - a barrel of 30 tyrov, a safe, a medical board, cartridges - 40 thousand at least per circle. Where does an unemployed 19-year-old jerk get that kind of money? Plus - in Hatsan there are 4 rounds, 1 in the barrel - which means, judging by the number of victims, either he hit the crowd with buckshot, or was still reloading. To reload the grenade launcher when you are nervous - you need to have at least some skill, and he just bought a gun. Strange though. For example, during the first shots, I constantly dropped cartridges even at the shooting range ..

        ... Reportedly, he had more than 400 (!) Cartridges of 12 cl ...
        ... Collected 29 spent cartridges.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 11 May 2021 14: 21
      +6
      Shooting games are in the hands of children, in these games it is a trifling matter to kill the enemy.

      No need to drive to games. In the evenings in the game I kill hundreds of bots, perfectly drawn by the way. And there are hundreds of weapons options. Does the FSB have to keep an eye on me now? And for those who ride tanks online ... should GRUSHNIK stand behind everyone's back?
      Maybe it is really worth, as is suggested here, to increase the age of weapon possession? In general, it is worthwhile to conduct compulsory courses, with exams, about weapons, what it is, how to use it, the consequences of use (wounds, etc.), and what is the responsibility in case of violation. Drive it into your head, into the subcortex, that in case of shooting at people, you will be overwhelmed without talking. Well, and the corresponding law should be adopted.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 14: 55
        +1
        And I regularly chase snipers with a knife in Battlefield 2 ... but I don't go to cut people on the street after that.
        In general, the problem of the aggressiveness of individual individuals with damaged brakes in their heads has not yet been resolved ... and will it ever be solved.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 11 May 2021 15: 20
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And I regularly chase snipers with a knife in Battlefield 2 ... but I don't go to cut people on the street after that ...

          So you are not 14, 16 or even 20 years old.
          You are a mature person. And you don't play all day long. And to force, convince or deceive you is quite difficult, if not impossible.
          And it is much easier for a pubertal guy to hammer some nonsense into his head.
          1. Rusticolus
            Rusticolus 11 May 2021 15: 56
            0
            So you are not 14, 16 or even 20 years old.
            You are a mature person.
            On the contrary, with PlayBF, no one should be allowed a kilometer to the weapon. They are there, almost all, completely checked. And this one "with a knife" is also stupid. lol
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 11 May 2021 15: 59
              +1
              You know better. I haven't played for a long time request
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 11 May 2021 16: 21
            +1
            And it is much easier for a pubertal guy to hammer some nonsense into his head.

            Well, the problem of classes with young people has been hanging around for a long time ... And it is quite difficult to solve, alas, the world of the Internet, the availability of information and megatons of stupid watching is off scale.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 11 May 2021 16: 38
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well, the problem of classes with young people has been hanging around for a long time ... And it is quite difficult to solve ...
              It is very difficult, but possible if you do it. A lot comes from indifference, loneliness, a lot of free time.
              I, at one time, made it so that my children did not have completely free time. Every day was scheduled, one might say, by the hour. School, sports sections, developing circles. Even school lessons had to be done more often not at home, in the sports complex. For any nonsense, with such a schedule, there was simply no time or energy left. This nonsense simply did not have time to fly into the young brain, because there was no time all the time. And at home I just wanted to get a good night's sleep after a busy and bright day.
              This is from my experience, it may be wrong, but as it is ...
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 11 May 2021 15: 33
        0
        I support your suggestions and I also want to add that you can sign a paper, that he will be conscripted first of all into the troops under some circumstances related to the defense of the Motherland or sending him to a hot spot.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 11 May 2021 16: 22
          0
          Good idea by the way. Just add: not "if that", but once a year, for a couple of weeks. For example, for exercises. Paid days, all the cases.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 11 May 2021 16: 28
            0
            Damn everything is super. ))) good
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 11 May 2021 23: 15
            0
            On the training ground, in full load, and combat from different positions for different targets and ranges ..... I will even subscribe to anesthetic!
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 11 May 2021 18: 36
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        In the evenings in the game I kill hundreds of bots, perfectly drawn by the way. And there are hundreds of weapons options. Does the FSB have to keep an eye on me now?

        So you got burned ... now Comrade Major knows exactly who to take in which case.
        Quote: Wedmak
        And for those who ride tanks online ... should GRUSHNIK stand behind everyone's back?

        Military prosecutor. And deduct the cost of repairing damaged pixel technology from your salary. laughing
    3. Roman070280
      Roman070280 11 May 2021 14: 30
      +4
      The best upbringing was in the USSR


      Exactly!!
      There were criminals, of course, even then .. but everyone still had the key under the rug ..
      1. hhurik
        hhurik 11 May 2021 23: 18
        -2
        There was nothing to take - so he lay there. As soon as there was wealth, there was a demand for steel doors.
  • Arctic
    Arctic 11 May 2021 13: 59
    +10
    They are fighting not with the cause of the problem, but with the consequence, unfortunately ...
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 11 May 2021 14: 16
      -1
      Quote: Arctic
      They are fighting not with the cause of the problem, but with the consequence, unfortunately ...

      Are you ready to name ways to identify the causes? A lot of specialists in psychology and psychiatry are really working on this topic. And not only here, but all over the world. As you can see, alas, there are not many successes in disclosing, and most importantly, in the preventive detection of criminals at the stage of preparation of criminal intent. And your lamentations will not help in any way to understand what motivates a person during his change from good to bad, and how to see it from the outside. Therefore, all work is reduced to intelligence penetration into the "environment" and the response to the manifestation of extremism in social communication, when this manifestation is present and its interception is possible. And this is not always effective.
      1. vic02
        vic02 11 May 2021 14: 50
        +1
        A lot of specialists in psychology and psychiatry are really working on this topic. And not only here, but all over the world
        we are working on this, but very specifically - using torture, forgery, etc., for example https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delo_Networks "and the Platoshkin case, it is not surprising that with such" work "they are incapable to prevent real cases - as in Kerch and here.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 11 May 2021 15: 00
          -2
          Quote: vic02
          we are working on this, but in a very specific way - using torture, forgery, etc.

          Do you want to spit on the boot of the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs? You are, by and large, physically living thanks to their tireless work. And the fact that not everything can be disclosed and prevented is another indicator of the complexity in the work that they perform, often at the risk of their lives for not the highest salary. Do not just mention all sorts of zakharchenkov there. There are scum there too, but there are many more good people, specialists. And you, realizing your safety, simply show a lack of a sense of gratitude to those people who are ready to put your life at risk for you. I think not many will like the world in which law enforcement agencies will suddenly disappear.
          1. vic02
            vic02 11 May 2021 15: 24
            -1
            You are, by and large, physically living thanks to their tireless work.
            eco you were drawn to metaphors. Only if it were really real, systematic work, these cases would not exist. These arrows did not live in a vacuum. And the current system just contributes to the existence of many private armed structures, up to small private armies and the corresponding turnover of weapons.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 11 May 2021 15: 38
              -6
              Quote: vic02
              And the current system just contributes to the existence of many private armed structures, up to small private armies and the corresponding turnover of weapons.

              You are a passer-by in this area. There is nothing to discuss with you. Dumping with stamps - you don't need a lot of mind. Chat with some opera, he will tell you what "system work" in colors and paints is .... Yes, I'm afraid you won't understand him.
              1. vic02
                vic02 11 May 2021 15: 47
                +6
                Well, not quite a passer-by. They take taxes from me for the existence of the system and I see the results of its work. And everyone does not need to understand the specifics. Everyone does their job.
      2. Arctic
        Arctic 11 May 2021 15: 35
        +1
        The first and main reason is that most of the time after school, children are on their own. What they learn from the internet in the form of the provided content for HYIP leads to the behavior in which they stop reckoning with the people around them and, in addition to their small circle of friends, consider everyone else to be service personnel at best.
        A narrow case when certain motives are purposefully put into their heads. This is, in short.
        Further, where did you see in my post that I am lamenting?
        And lastly, you need to work with children from kindergarten until graduation into adulthood, and not in pieces, as work with them is now structured.
        And the fact that in your messages you only cite the work of law enforcement agencies, I conclude that you do not understand why and what part of the work the aforementioned employees are doing.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 11 May 2021 15: 56
          +2
          Quote: Arctic
          And the last thing you need to work with children from kindergarten until graduation into adulthood

          Have you remembered pioneering with the Komsomol? By the way, the detainee is 19 years old ... And, in pursuit, he was characterized positively until recently. And only recently, it is not clear what, something happened to him, and he posted on the networks the only post that they are talking about on the networks. Maybe he wrote something like that before, but they only talk about the latter. And an hour before the event. And this means that only SORM in the means of communication and the super-operative reaction of those who have to react to it can reveal this. And that's all. There are no other ways to stay ahead of the curve. Do you understand? Many small social groups draw attention to deviations in behavior, but there are also some, imperceptible ... In general, on the day of the incident, it is somehow not entirely reasonable to discuss it without materials at least a primary check. Let me just say that the prevention of such things is a very difficult matter and with many uncertainties. It is too early to draw conclusions.
  • Babermetis
    Babermetis 11 May 2021 14: 00
    +8
    Sincere condolences to the parents and relatives of the victims. A speedy recovery to the wounded.
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 11 May 2021 14: 00
    +6
    Kids today are really weird. My condolences to the victims of these fools
  • viktor.
    viktor. 11 May 2021 14: 00
    +4
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Tightening the turnover of weapons will not solve the problem of attacks on children, but will create even more problems for law-abiding gun owners.

    That's right. Making the purchase of Kitchen Knives tougher is also a Weapon!
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 11 May 2021 14: 16
      +9
      Quote: viktor.
      Toughen up the purchase of Kitchen Knives is also a Weapon!

      The weapon of a terrorist attack can be anything - a rented car, a kitchen knife, a can of gasoline, a frying pan, gas cylinders, weapons from the father's safe - whatever ...
      If a defective individual wants to harm the Society, he will find a way for this without any problems.
      The problem is solved not by prohibiting opportunities, but by proper education and rejection of antisocial elements.
      Nothing new - all solutions have been known for a long time ...
      1. viktor.
        viktor. 11 May 2021 14: 19
        +6
        I'm talking about the same, If a moron has a plan in his head, only God himself will stop him.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 May 2021 14: 38
      0
      Exactly, also ban ropes and soap, you can guess why or explain?
      1. viktor.
        viktor. 11 May 2021 14: 45
        +3
        What are you talking about? Clarifier wassat
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 11 May 2021 14: 47
          -3
          Read your comment above again. The prohibitor. wassat
          1. viktor.
            viktor. 11 May 2021 14: 48
            +1
            Read my comments even higher! Then think about it! Clarifier fool
          2. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 11 May 2021 23: 24
            0
            It seems to me ... no, I'm sure ... that you need to be checked in a special institution ... Since you do not accept sarcasm at all and do not see humor ... smile
    3. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 11 May 2021 23: 20
      0
      To issue screwdrivers for a strictly limited time under signature and fingerprinting! good
  • AAK
    AAK 11 May 2021 14: 00
    +16
    here are the results of flirting with Islamism and not taking the most severe measures against terrorists, and, as usual, the turnover of hunting weapons is to blame
  • Incomprehensible
    Incomprehensible 11 May 2021 14: 01
    -2
    "has recently been active on his Telegram channel, where he declared his readiness to" kill a lot of bio-waste, "

    "It is noteworthy that the attacker published this post about a little over an hour before the shooting at the school."

    So much for "special services are watching us on the Internet." Where, why, etc., are the competent structures not interested in the behavior of this citizen?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 11 May 2021 14: 06
      +6
      Where, why, etc., are the competent structures not interested in the behavior of this citizen?


      Even if the system worked, what could be done? He didn't say where he would go. And there it would take more than an hour to establish an identity - meaningful connections. At the same time, such statements are made daily and not even in a hundred.
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 11 May 2021 14: 28
        +1
        At the very least, this is under discussion.
        Here I already have two warnings on VO for obscene language,
        (although I wrote backwards and inserted English letters).
        That is, there is a program with key combinations of letters and it cuts everything.
        I also flew at work - I posted my login, SIP password in the mail
        phone of the branch of the company to the representative of the Operator - without this
        he did not want to answer the call (which is typical for the login and password
        there was them and delivered during installation). So pissed off
        security of the central office already in the capital. Barely fought back
        wrote a bunch of papers that these are the credentials of a public device,
        that it has nothing to do with the firm's network. Like this - 10 employees
        and all mailboxes are monitored for keywords. Moreover, according to the principle
        "it's better to keep it out."
        It might not be superfluous (in light of the events in Kerch and Kazan) to look after
        for public resources of lovers of trunks.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 11 May 2021 14: 47
          +5
          Quote: Kushka
          Here I already have two warnings on VO for obscene language,
          (although I wrote backwards and inserted English letters).
          Ie, there is a program

          No, there is definitely no such thing on VO.
          Everything is much simpler, banal snitching - at the bottom of each message there is a button "A complaint", after that your message is checked by the moderator, to whom all the tricks with disguise of the mat - on the drum.
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 11 May 2021 14: 59
            +1
            Is it true ??? ............. I'm disappointed ....
            As in a joke - a passer-by asks the watchman
            of the zoo, leaning against the leg of an elephant -
            What time is it now? Grandfather moved something with a Berdan
            in the household of an elephant and answers -14-30. The secret of your grandfather
            agreed to open for 100 grams and a donut. Drank
            ate. Look, grandfather shows - everything is simple - on the tower
            clock, and the elephant's household closes them ...
          2. Semak
            Semak 11 May 2021 17: 37
            0
            well, how is it not. if already my second comment, only in this topic, with the same word that characterizes this subhuman, is already inserted edited and only the last syllable remains of this word.
            1. psiho117
              psiho117 11 May 2021 23: 55
              0
              Quote: Semak
              already inserted edited and from this word remains, only the last syllable.

              This is a commonplace filter for mat, exists on most sites. He simply does not publish the words hammered into him.
              Ban for "disguised" checkmate, he does not know how bully
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 11 May 2021 15: 18
          0
          It might not be superfluous (in light of the events in Kerch and Kazan) to look after
          for public resources of lovers of trunks.

          One more .. Where do you come from? Well, let's declare the same Hansa as an extremist site now! Well, as long as you can, it is not weapons that shoot, they shoot people !! We have more than 5 million trunks in Russia in our hands - what, we will write all of them into potential chikatily because of one trick ??
      2. Semak
        Semak 11 May 2021 14: 28
        +4
        Yes, he just pretends to be a fool, so that later he can sit out quietly and calmly in a psychiatric hospital.
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 12 May 2021 15: 40
          0
          I wish he could sit in the infamous Kazan special psychiatric hospital! Bezvylazno!
      3. Incomprehensible
        Incomprehensible 11 May 2021 15: 40
        +1
        "You" say yes, show me, but let me down by the handles.
        Unconvincing.
        Such characters should always be on the forefront of the special services' attention.
        This is my point.
    2. Genry
      Genry 11 May 2021 14: 21
      0
      Quote: Incomprehensible
      Where, why, etc., are the competent structures not interested in the behavior of this citizen?

      Where is your civic position? Why didn't YOU indicate this statement? am
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 11 May 2021 14: 55
      +3
      You wrote nonsense. How many Russians are on social media? Do you propose to assign an FSB officer to everyone ??? Or track all posts?
      1. Kushka
        Kushka 11 May 2021 15: 38
        +3
        Don't tell. For example, I was struck by how they calculated
        Anka is a machine gunner. In 35 years! And without any "numbers"
        without a computer - everything is on paper. It's been the case for 35 years, the investigators changed,
        full of current work, but the job is a piece of paper to a piece of paper.
        And all by and by. And now it must be the same - the devil is on the horns, brother of Makarova,
        when making a foreign business trip, he wrote a bunch of questionnaires as expected and indicated
        about my sister and about her surname - bam - and the system worked!
        The paper and pencil system worked! And today is the 21st century.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 11 May 2021 15: 44
          -1
          as calculated
          Anka is a machine gunner.

          So the Dudayevs, Maskhadovs and others are also thundered and caught.
          And she was "calculated" - how long did the calculation take? And there was some kind of "primary source", "source". I will never believe that the assigned OSG calculated it for 35 years.
          The computer is understandable, but decisions everywhere are made by people - maybe the human factor has worked. Until the days of Judge Dred have not yet lived. Now the last thing I would do is blame the special services. This is the first question for the family.
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 11 May 2021 16: 00
            0
            You are right, this is both unwise and counterproductive.
            Although the accusers are easy to understand, this is fear.
            We all have children and grandchildren. They all walk
            to schools, universities, sections - every day. And after
            such, already subconsciously, on the subcortex - PROTECT!
            Come on, guys, special services, security forces - PROTECT.
            Well, not protected, EH YOU !.
            Although protected, prevented many times, many
            places, in many cases, but this is not in the subcortex.
  • eleronn
    eleronn 11 May 2021 14: 11
    +7
    Terrorists and extremists are those who optimized education, health care, common sense. And the terrible tragedy that happened is just a consequence ...
    1. Loh
      Loh 11 May 2021 14: 34
      0
      Remember, Golikova first directed the collapse (optimization) of medicine and education, and now she is restoring in the forefront. am
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 11 May 2021 14: 58
        -1
        Watch the TV series "Sleepers" season 2. There, one of the GG tells "human rights journalists" how to make the President of the Russian Federation guilty from the news about an accident at an electrical substation? But there is at least smoothly, the logic is present. You do not have it, you immediately (why waste time on trifles?) Found the guilty Golikova.
  • Kapkan
    Kapkan 11 May 2021 14: 13
    +1
    It is necessary to introduce the death penalty for:
    1. Murder (intentional)
    2. Murder while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
    3. Terrorism
    4. Rape
    5. Committing a misdemeanor as a police officer.
    6. Committing an offense as a Judge.
    7. Committing a misdemeanor as a deputy, assistant to a deputy.
    8. For high treason.

    Just an opinion.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 11 May 2021 14: 17
      +3
      And you will receive mass executions on false denunciations and unlimited power of the structure that will control judges, policemen and deputies)
    2. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 14: 19
      -3
      First, learn to distinguish an act from a crime, mother's lawyer.
      1. Kapkan
        Kapkan 11 May 2021 14: 24
        +6
        I don’t know who you’ll be, and after such a visit, in fact, I don’t care ...
        But. People exposed to power should bear double or triple responsibility for every action.
        With a drunken double demand. And even more so from a civil servant. It is for the misdemeanor. So that it doesn't turn into a crime.
        But I got you bro, it's too hard for you.
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    3. Prax1
      Prax1 11 May 2021 14: 34
      0
      For rape, there is no need for a special evidence base. think what will happen ...
    4. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 11 May 2021 16: 09
      0
      It is necessary to introduce the death penalty for:
      ...... to begin with, make a fundamental change in the constitution of the Russian Federation ... namely, Articles 10 and 17 ... then the process will go ... and so ... the chatter is not even sofa, but undercover
    5. Obliterator
      Obliterator 11 May 2021 23: 58
      -2
      Quote: Kapkan
      1. Murder (intentional)

      Murder is never intentional.
      Quote: Kapkan
      2. Murder while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

      Such a murder is generally no worse than a sober murder. Intoxication is not considered an aggravating circumstance.
      Quote: Kapkan
      Terrorism

      A publicly executed terrorist becomes a martyr.
      Quote: Kapkan
      5. Committing a misdemeanor as a police officer.
      6. Committing an offense as a Judge.
      7. Committing a misdemeanor as a deputy, assistant to a deputy.

      Why only them? The military, security officers, special agents, prosecutors and other civil servants are better than them? But that's not the point. Now, if a cop is caught drunk in a public place, violates any of the traffic rules, or gets a reprimand from the boss for three days of stubble, that is, he commits an offense, then he should be mercilessly shot?

      People who have no idea about jurisprudence and criminology, stop generating nonsense.
      1. Kapkan
        Kapkan 12 May 2021 06: 35
        -2
        Murder is never intentional.

        ABOUT! And here is another letter-reader.
        Such a murder is generally no worse than a sober murder. ...

        Generally, it is interpreted as an aggravating circumstance. If the driver was drunk, for example, or at work, etc. And although, you still write it off as infliction by negligence, etc.
        A publicly executed terrorist becomes a martyr.

        Execute not publicly.
        What is the problem...!? I shot it, I forgot.
        Anyone who considered him a martyr should be executed right there and there.
        Why only them? The military, security officers, special agents, prosecutors and other civil servants are better than them?

        It's just too lazy to list all of you. This also includes cheap lawyers, investigators, bribe takers and bribe givers and others.
        Now, if the cop gets caught drunk in a public place

        When executed? Then the shooting. Outside of official duties - dismissal in disgrace and deprivation of all titles, benefits, pensions. For this is UNDEMEABLE behavior for a police officer, military, etc. (collectively) For the honor of the uniform has been tainted. Although, most of this fine line cannot be understood and it is not visible at close range.
        violates any of the traffic rules

        Has it caused harm to health, psyche? Shooting.
        Here I am a driver, I follow the rules of the road and expect it from other road users.
        But the driver exposed by the authorities, a policeman, a military man, an investigator, and who cares.
        And this is no longer just a driver! This is a driver whom we should take as a standard, as an object to follow, because well, how else ... He's a policeman behind the wheel, so he remembers the rules by heart, honors, follows and sets an example.
        He voluntarily went to the police! Voluntarily took on increased responsibility to society. Voluntarily took an oath / oath to serve faithfully.
        And once you have signed up and you defile the honor of your uniform, your profession, it means dismissal for a misdemeanor (according to your scheme) with shame, with deprivation of your pension and benefits. Or shooting on mine.
        Man killed, wounded, disturbed his psyche - execution. Drunk Driving - An ordinary person has to sit for life. A policeman, etc. - execution.
        or get a reprimand from the boss for three days of stubble

        It is enough to simply dismiss it for inappropriate appearance.
        that is, he commits a misdemeanor, then he must be mercilessly shot?

        The fact of the matter is that you treat a lot of misconduct as nothing terrible. Who does not happen to the pier.
        People who have no idea about jurisprudence and criminology, stop generating nonsense.

        People who are like fish in water in their interpretations of the law, stop extinguishing your freaks by hiding behind the fact that they have 3-day stubble and in general he is a great guy.
        Anything else?
        You are exactly the same as the others who do not like my post. And you are only 2 types.
        1. Either you are out of topic and unable to appreciate a simple concept.
        2. Either you are exposed by the authorities (or lawyers, lawyers) and turn the law at your pleasure according to the circumstances, covering your own people, or lay a breakdown for yourself where you stumble in the future ...
        It is necessary to change the concept and attitude to what is happening, and not try to tell everyone with the help of existing laws, definitions, how NOT to be executed for 3-day stubble. It's funny.
        You would also reproach me that I propose the death penalty for misdemeanors such as being late for work, smoking in the wrong place, shoes not being cleaned, etc.
        Do not carry small-town, learned nonsense. This immediately betrays you the law of a large state fish swimming in the shade.
        It resembles a suckerfish on a shark.
        1. Obliterator
          Obliterator 12 May 2021 23: 12
          -1
          Quote: Kapkan
          ABOUT! And here is another letter-reader.

          In such cases, literalism is never superfluous. This is elementary literacy.
          Quote: Kapkan
          Generally, it is interpreted as an aggravating circumstance. If the driver was drunk, for example, or at work, etc.

          Article 63 of the Criminal Code to help you with aggravated circumstances. intoxication is not there, that is, in general, it is not an aggravating circumstance. In other words, murder by sober and drunk, all other things being equal, will be evaluated the same way. An accident is more likely an exception to the rule, but there it is specifically indicated in the article. The commission of a crime by an employee of the internal affairs bodies, mind you, is an aggravating circumstance.
          Quote: Kapkan
          Execute not publicly.
          What is the problem...!? I shot it, I forgot.

          In high-profile cases, the verdicts usually become known to the public, so it will not work.
          Quote: Kapkan
          Anyone who considered him a martyr should be executed right there and there.

          Catch them first, smart guy. Although there will be no one to catch them - all operas will be shot for misconduct.
          Quote: Kapkan
          It's just too lazy to list all of you. This also includes cheap lawyers, investigators, bribe takers and bribe givers and others.

          And laziness, do not take it, you look without you not lazy will figure it out.
          Quote: Kapkan
          When executed? Then the shooting. Outside of official duties - dismissal in disgrace and deprivation of all titles, benefits, pensions. For this is UNDEMEABLE behavior for a police officer, military, etc. (collectively) For the honor of the uniform has been tainted. Although, most of this fine line cannot be understood and it is not visible at close range.

          Ready then to put the salary of the last sergeant 300 thousand?
          Quote: Kapkan
          Here I am a driver, I follow the rules of the road and expect it from other road users.
          But the driver exposed by the authorities, a policeman, a military man, an investigator, and who cares.
          And this is no longer just a driver! This is a driver whom we should take as a standard, as an object to follow, because well, how else ... He's a policeman behind the wheel, so he remembers the rules by heart, honors, follows and sets an example.
          He voluntarily went to the police! Voluntarily took on increased responsibility to society. Voluntarily took an oath / oath to serve faithfully.

          Ordinary people work in the organs, geniuses do not go there to serve. They likewise get involved in road accidents in the thousands a year across the country. Somewhere they are to blame for an accident, somewhere they are not. Shooting them for an accident is some kind of shiz, because no one voluntarily arranges an accident.
          Quote: Kapkan
          The fact of the matter is that you treat a lot of misconduct as nothing terrible. Who does not happen to the pier.

          Misdemeanors and misdemeanors are okay, and for them they are usually just fined, not shot.
          Quote: Kapkan
          It is enough to simply dismiss it for inappropriate appearance.

          No, according to your logic, it deserves to be shot. After all, this is a disciplinary misconduct.
          Quote: Kapkan
          You would also reproach me that I propose the death penalty for misdemeanors such as being late for work, smoking in the wrong place, shoes not being cleaned, etc.

          Don't change your shoes on the go. Once a misconduct means execution.
          Quote: Kapkan
          This immediately betrays you the law of a large state fish swimming in the shade.

          And you seem to be a person offended by the state system, and nothing more. Judging by the list, you are obviously not in any way outraged by the activities of members of organized criminal groups who steal people for ransom and torture them, do not care about repeatedly convicted repeat offenders who do not work at all in life, but only steal and harass others, do not care about scammers, lowering pensioners simply by millions of rubles, do not care about corrupt officials, who are already lowering everyone by billions of rubles, do not care about the drug mafia, killing unreasonable youth with its substances. No, they didn’t take the oath of oath that they would behave well, so it’s possible for them to "stir up trouble" and shoot these worthy citizens by no means, according to your logic, right? And the cop is another matter, you obviously hate him so much that you are ready to take your life for any jamb. For completeness of social justice, his wife still lacks 10 years of strict regime without the right of correspondence, children in an orphanage, and parents - 101 kilometers away.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 11 May 2021 14: 15
    +5
    And now the most interesting thing is, what will be declared the reason: fundamental Islam or easy access of citizens to hunting rifles and lack of fines?
  • Liberal
    Liberal 11 May 2021 14: 16
    +5
    Here is another vivid example of carelessness and corruption. The video shows that he is insane and considers himself a god. How could he get a certificate from a psychiatrist? either for money or just nobody cares about these certificates.
  • uav80
    uav80 11 May 2021 14: 18
    +2
    In connection with the attack on the school, the Russian president was instructed to tighten the legislation related to the circulation of weapons.

    According to media reports, the attackers used Turkish-made Hatsan ESCORT pump-action shotguns. According to some reports, a similar weapon was used at one time by Roslyakov, who at one time staged a massacre in Kerch College.

    I wonder what to expect, that on pumps and semiautomatic devices, too, as for cutting, they will introduce 5 years of experience ... ??
    1. Andobor
      Andobor 11 May 2021 14: 49
      +1
      Quote: uav80
      I wonder what to expect, that on pumps and semiautomatic devices, too, as for cutting, they will introduce 5 years of experience ... ??

      Surely, after Kerch, such conclusions were based on the results of the investigation, there were similar weapons there - if they do not ignore it again.
      1. uav80
        uav80 11 May 2021 15: 06
        +2
        If they do, then there will be more of a blow to business (Kalashnikov and Molot), and so rarely any newcomer takes a PA or a pump for hunting right away, usually a couple of years after a single-barreled / double-barreled shotgun, and I think they will make an exception for athletes and private security companies ..
    2. Shadow041
      Shadow041 11 May 2021 21: 45
      0
      Maybe you just don’t need to sell weapons to 19-year-old idiots ?! When I first applied for a permit for myself, weapons were sold from the age of 21 ... Why not return this norm and fence gardens ?! Why are they violating the law on weapons of the Russian Federation in Tatarstan and selling weapons to 19-year-olds ?! Maybe it's time to call to account the head of Tatarstan, who takes on a lot, arming crazy children ?!
      1. uav80
        uav80 12 May 2021 09: 06
        -1
        Well, this fig knows in the army, weapons are also issued from 18, and in the cadet and Suvorovs even earlier, but this is different, of course, executions and crossbows almost every year ...
        As I remember, a bill was submitted to the state fool (whether they did not know whether it was accepted or not) that it will be possible to hunt from the age of 16, if you have a hunting ticket and a temporary permit, but with someone else's (rented) smooth-bore weapon. And for certain regions of the Russian Federation such as Yugra, Chukotka, Kamchatka and have the right to purchase weapons from the age of 16 for hunting and self-defense from wild animals ...

        About 21 years old, this is about gondonotel, it is still in effect ...

        Here it is completely different, who gave him a medical certificate in the form No. 002-O / y, so they must also be involved in full according to article of the Criminal Code 293 part 3.
        I understand that getting a certificate is not a problem, I came to a paid clinic and paid 3 pipes and everything, the maximum that they will check this vision and pee in a jar at HTI will be forced, the psychiatrist will not check, he will just talk, otherwise he will just make the questionnaire fill out and that's it, with the extension it's even easier ROH will be forced to show sign and alga ...

        And according to his testimony, his roof went a couple of months ago, and according to the National Guard, at that time he issued a weapon permit ...
    3. hhurik
      hhurik 11 May 2021 23: 26
      -1
      Holy, holy, holy .... on a stake you, crap.
      1. uav80
        uav80 12 May 2021 09: 11
        -1
        Already on the campaign, I made a mark, according to the news, the National Guard and the State Duma reported yesterday that they would take into account the order of the GDP at the expense of the so-called assault smooth-bore weapon, and I will develop a bill ...

        PS: I wanted to take Zimson's horizontal line 235 in 16k, but the campaign should take Saiga-12k or for VPO-209 it is still possible, but Zimson will wait ..
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 11 May 2021 14: 20
    +7
    And immediately they started talking about tightening the receipt of weapons. Yes, I would immediately say to prohibit it .... Already normal, mentally healthy people cannot get it the way they need to spend a lot of money and go through a bunch of authorities. But for those with a turned cuckoo, this weapon for some reason appears easily. It's not about weapons, it's about the inevitable punishment for atrocities with its help - the death penalty should be for the utyrk, otherwise there is no way.
  • awg75
    awg75 11 May 2021 14: 23
    -2
    the first footage of the interrogation appeared. apparently mentally ill. unfortunately nothing will happen to him. will be treated and released in a couple of years. The psychiatrist who gave him the certificate must definitely answer in full.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 12 May 2021 15: 51
      +1
      As for the psychiatrist .... 1. Psychos are cunning and know how to pretend (even dementy old women are God's dandelions). 2. How many people per shift does the district psychiatrist take, how much time for each, how in a matter of minutes to consider in the human stream the inadequacy capable of murder? Seriously - if such a technique were ... hi 3. How exactly should a psychiatrist "answer in full"?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 May 2021 14: 33
    +3
    And how are they better than the baboons that our people chase in Syria? It is clear, however, that this is not a spontaneous decision, but psychological treatment and detailed preparation. Apparently, this is just the beginning, although the specialists catch them.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 11 May 2021 14: 37
    -1
    Quote: psiho117

    Now, as usual, there will be a surge in computer games - they say, it is they who are to blame for everything, and in general - the pernicious influence of the West.
    After all, it is much easier to come up with a reason than to admit that we just hammered a bolt on modern youth. They are left to themselves, that is why they create all kinds of fierce game.

    As it is not defined, you write about who is to blame. I personally understand that neither the school, nor the college, nor the institute and not the army can be guilty in this case, only the parents. I can understand that some non-people in the army broke the psyche of a young man, inhuman, bullying, rape, etc. But such things are done by criminals, not, for example, the army. And everything else is the parents and the indifference of other people who were involved in this young man. There is still the likelihood of exposure to extremists.
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 11 May 2021 14: 38
    +2
    What a horror, a weapon is named, the name of which cannot be called
  • kagulin58
    kagulin58 11 May 2021 14: 39
    +8
    What does gun control have to do with it? This is a mess in the Rosgvardia regarding the issuance of permits for possession of weapons! What other new rules? The old ones have not been fulfilled for decades, and new ones are still needed? What can this golden Zolotov think of? He does not know the old rules, but he will come up with new ones! I express my deep condolences to the relatives of the victims and injured children ... They hoped for the authorities, for their protection. The authorities deceived them. And how many such deceptions were there before.
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 11 May 2021 14: 40
    +2
    Oddly, no one noticed that the perpetrator stopped attending classes after successfully completing three courses. He clearly fell under the influence of a certain religious group. And his statements about bio-waste are generally from the repertoire of the Salafis, for whom all non-Muslims are bio-waste. As for the weapons. Not every 19-year-old has 40 to buy weapons. It turns out. That someone had armed him.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 11 May 2021 14: 41
    +4
    More proof that a smoothbore shotgun is a scary thing. Much worse than a 22lr rifled crayon. But you can't buy it without five years of experience. A shotgun is possible.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 11 May 2021 15: 27
      +3
      More proof that a smoothbore shotgun is a scary thing.
      Do you want me to tell you one secret? The scariest thing is regular kitchen knife, and in a year they kill several orders of magnitude more people than from a firearm ...
  • realist
    realist 11 May 2021 14: 44
    +5
    it is not the weapon that kills, but the one who pulls the trigger. kitchen knives are very dangerous in the hands of drunks, drug addicts and just criminals.
    1. Kushka
      Kushka 11 May 2021 15: 08
      +2
      What are the kitchens. Saw the roller, man the gatherer
      weapon complains - fart into a handbag - demand
      registration of permission. And next to the wall hangs a machete-
      with a meter probably - in one fell swoop an elephant can be hacked to death -
      on free sale, as a piece of art, decoration.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 11 May 2021 14: 53
    0
    It is necessary to cut off all this Western funding and give real terms for posts of a terrorist orientation and calls for terror, coups, murders.
    1. Aag
      Aag 12 May 2021 16: 38
      +1
      Quote: Incvizitor
      It is necessary to cut off all this Western funding and give real terms for posts of a terrorist orientation and calls for terror, coups, murders.

      And what to do with federal TV channels that broadcast chernukha; and by those who finance it, including at the expense of taxpayers?
  • impostor
    impostor 11 May 2021 14: 56
    +4
    I am sure that there is no need to cool hotheads with examples of the fact that in some Soviet periods smoothbore and ring firing were freely sold at a very affordable price in any general store from the age of 16 (from sixteen, Karl!). There will be no ill-considered steps like putting barrels for practical shooting into a separate super-inaccessible class, even if we multiply the energy of Deputy Khinstein by infinity. The reason is simple, everyone knows it, it is the same as that of the staff.
  • Morituri68
    Morituri68 11 May 2021 14: 57
    +5
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    First, it is necessary to determine the cause of this illness of young people fixated on cruelty towards their peers and teachers ... after all, this is not the first and not the last unfortunately case of an attack on children and teachers.

    Well, here, in my opinion, everything is obvious. The reason is in the goals and system of education and in the values ​​that are imposed by the media. Today's wild capitalism does not need nafik a public man. Selfishness is held in high esteem (in a good scenario, maximum, the circle of your family), bragging, the shortest achievement of dominant positions at any cost, and since not everyone shines with talents, then anger appears, a feeling of underestimation and revenge on the "offenders", unlimited by the lack of conscience, morality and reason ... It seems to me that these are still flowers, berries may be ahead (((
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 11 May 2021 15: 11
    +1
    Interrogate this murderer with addiction. Find out all connections and incentives. And then destroy. His guilt is unambiguous and obvious. There can be no miscarriage of justice. Capital punishment for this criminal
  • MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 11 May 2021 15: 18
    0


    Video of the interrogation of this creature
    1. Hexagon
      Hexagon 11 May 2021 15: 46
      +2
      On the one hand - to execute unambiguously, after interrogation of all degrees, to identify the curators (if any). What would other "imitators" who want fame and recognition get it.
      On the other hand, it is life-long, although it is also good under the conditions of the "hell on earth" category.
      But thirdly - judging by the video, he is e ..... th psycho, and clearly falls into the category of "biomass" to which he ranked others.
      You can spit in my direction, but IMHO, such should be destroyed, in the most humiliating way, first breaking the personality to hell and then executing in the most shameful and painful way ... Publicly.
      This subject does not qualify for the title "man".
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 12 May 2021 01: 03
        +1
        Quote: Hexagon
        What would other "imitators" who want fame and recognition get it.

        Imitators can draw diametrically opposite conclusions, because their heads are out of order.
    2. Semak
      Semak 11 May 2021 15: 56
      +3
      Overtakes, wants to seem insane.
  • Dainis
    Dainis 11 May 2021 15: 47
    +1
    We need to put the heat on those vbluyutkov!
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 11 May 2021 15: 49
    +9
    Have you heard enough of Morgenstern?
    ...Russian President ordered to tighten legislation ...
    Or maybe in the Ministry of Culture to correct something?
  • Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 11 May 2021 16: 03
    +1
    Previously, these were identified and sent for compulsory treatment.
    Obviously in the "cuckoo" he is not all right.
    Although there is also an option that he got involved with radical elements. There are plenty of examples.
  • xorek
    xorek 11 May 2021 16: 04
    +1
    This scum mows down especially for a fool .. Although judging by the conversation, he is quite well-read (such words are thrown and the conversation is set) ..
    Along the way, schools and d.s will have to deploy armed guards .. There are a lot of Russian guards in the service, the state will allocate a couple of people for one school, otherwise the grannies are mostly sitting.
    We got it, devil take democracy and this internet ..
    1. Xscorpion
      Xscorpion 12 May 2021 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: xorek
      This scum mows down especially for a fool .. Although judging by the conversation, he is quite well-read (such words are thrown and the conversation is set) ..
      Along the way, schools and d.s will have to deploy armed guards .. There are a lot of Russian guards in the service, the state will allocate a couple of people for one school, otherwise the grannies are mostly sitting.
      We got it, devil take democracy and this internet ..

      There are only 300 thousand guardsmen, and there are more than 40 thousand schools throughout the country in the country, not counting various kindergartens, lyceums and other educational institutions. For sufficient protection of each object, at least 3 people must be on duty at the same time, and for schools with more than thousands of at least 5 people. Less does not make sense, since at least one at the entrance, one on the street, one on the floors, this is the very minimum, so in fact five people will not be enough for a secondary school. it turns out a day / three, in total for each school there are 12-20 fighters, throughout the country it needs 500-600 thousand fighters of the Russian Guard, this is 2 times more than the available staff and this is only for schools. And now more about the Russian Guard. Half of them are conscripts , even younger than this shooter, you yourself need to keep an eye on them, and you want to give them automatic weapons and send them to schools. And the Rosguards are doctors, lawyers, psychologists, accountants, secretaries and other civilians, mostly women, and there are also tens of thousands of them .These are service driversand combat vehicles, staff officers and employees of support units, and many others. And there are a couple of tens of thousands of OSPN, OMON and SOBR fighters, well, a couple of contract brigades, and they have their own tasks, and they work them out. So where did you get it, that there are many Rosguards?
  • vl903
    vl903 11 May 2021 16: 07
    +4
    in the USSR, until 1970, smooth and small pieces were sold in sports stores as tennis rackets. but there were oktyabrs, pioneers, the Komsomol and the district. there were also maniacs. maybe it is necessary without extremes: let the district police work, give the youth an ideal and a system of upbringing, can improve psycho-selection, but I don't really know how to do this, in my opinion it's just not realistic. death penalty for obvious things return
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 11 May 2021 16: 33
    0
    According to media reports, the attackers used Turkish-made Hatsan ESCORT pump-action shotguns.
    ..... yes, it doesn't matter ... even though the PKK ... where was the guard, that's the question, .. for example, to the school where my daughter is studying figs you will crawl with or without a bulwark ... you will go to the technical school where my son is studying figs in general, because only on a student card or with a passport ... then questions only to the school management
    this tragedy is familiar to me ... all the families of those killed and injured, my sincere sympathy ... and the school leaders are reprimanded for negligence that led to the tragedy
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 11 May 2021 17: 35
      +3
      fig you will climb


      With or without bulwark? Come on. You can go to any school with or without bullocks without any problems at all. Without a single one. And wander around it as much as you like.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 11 May 2021 17: 38
        0
        With or without the bulwark? Come on. To any school
        ...... try ... but you will be disappointed
  • yfast
    yfast 11 May 2021 16: 43
    +1
    Who can you hunt with a pump-action shotgun at 19? How can it get past the checkout?
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 11 May 2021 17: 38
      +3
      ... Who can you hunt with a pump-action shotgun


      For game. Charge the shot on the birds. Load the bullet on the big game. And why is it impossible at 19? Is it okay to smack out of the tank, but not from the pump?
      1. Shadow041
        Shadow041 11 May 2021 21: 29
        0
        In what way you are right, but ... Maybe then the age of majority should be shifted to 21 years ?! Although, officially, you can buy weapons in the Russian Federation from the age of 21, or in Tatarstan the separatists have become so insolent that they already have their own laws on weapons ?! Well then, the first demand from the head of Tatarstan !!! In addition, one of the thugs is 17 years old, the second is 19 ... As for me, it is necessary to give vyshak for this, regardless of age.
  • Kibl
    Kibl 11 May 2021 16: 52
    +1
    Put it against the wall and then the loaded BMP is empty on it, then it will definitely leave biomass from it, thickly seasoned with a torch mass.
  • Simfy
    Simfy 11 May 2021 17: 01
    -4
    he was expelled the other day, perhaps "the roof moved down" due to stress, you do not know in what conditions he was brought up and lived, I do not have him in any way don't justify, but our consciousness is a very delicate thing, and the roof goes for many, the statistics of suicides are tens of thousands a year, just someone quietly leaves, someone takes revenge, and someone moves with a "cuckoo" and does not already understand what he is doing (( (I think he is from the last group. Because of this, it is really necessary to sell weapons either to those who have already served (for stress resistance check)), or to raise the initial age for acquiring weapons, smooth-bore semi-automatic and rifled ... who are passionate about hunting at the initial level and 2- x stem is enough.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 May 2021 22: 42
      -1
      he was expelled the other day, perhaps "the roof moved down" due to stress, you do not know in what conditions he was brought up and lived, I do not justify him in any way, but our consciousness is a very delicate thing, and the roof goes for many, statistics there are tens of thousands of suicides a year, just someone quietly leaves, someone takes revenge, and someone moves with a "cuckoo" and does not already understand what he is doing (((I think he is from the last group.
      And what, now we all understand and forgive him, for the fact that he is there with his "cuckoo" ... such ... with the conditions of upbringing and a subtle spiritual thing !?
      1. Simfy
        Simfy 12 May 2021 15: 40
        +1
        Today from the news:
        “According to the investigation, Ilnaz Galyaviev was not registered with doctors - a psychiatrist and a narcologist. However, as it turned out, he had previously repeatedly sought medical help in connection with severe headaches. Last year, in connection with appeals to one of the medical institutions, he was diagnosed with a brain disease. Since the beginning of this year, relatives have also noted the aggressiveness and irascibility in his behavior, ”the ministry said in a statement.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 12 May 2021 19: 40
          0
          in one of the medical institutions he was diagnosed with a brain disease
          now he is for treatment, with an extramural form of serving his sentence, and the truncated underage "god" will still be a victim of a medical error ... your ways are wonderful, Lord !!! belay
  • flc9800
    flc9800 11 May 2021 17: 45
    +5
    It is my deep conviction that the death penalty is vital in our country! Right today, right now, not giving a damn about the possible howl of liberals and the like! I don't give a damn about the opinion of a civilized and democratic Europe! Without asking permission and consent to restore order in your own country! Attempted murder of children - execution, pedophilia - execution, embezzlement on an especially large scale - execution and confiscation of property assigned to wives, children and grandmothers! And there is no need here to dissolve snot about the corruption of the courts! When everyone will realize that, in the words of the famous movie hero "HIM IS BREAKING UP", they will work for fear! If there is no conscience ...
    1. kieferandreas
      kieferandreas 11 May 2021 19: 23
      +1
      oh cool how! Let's shoot everyone in the zone? especially those who do men there, why are fagots in Russia?
      all their concepts in the zone are not human, to remove this garbage from the face of the earth under it, to bury it in the bowels of mother. Such "radishes"
      Murderers, pedophiles, such from whom more than three people died, politicians, thieves who robbed a construction site and then a bridge or a house collapsed and literally a bunch of victims were formed, cops, reciters extorted everyone who robbed a large country.
  • thinker
    thinker 11 May 2021 19: 00
    0
    Quote: NDR-791
    From storing weapons in LRO to limiting 2 charges (as in Germany). So, comrades hunters, we keep our fists.

    Somehow I never saw a hunter with a pump-action shotgun request
    When developing the Hatsan Escort AimGuard smoothbore shotgun it was not originally intended to be used for hunting. Its main task is high-precision shooting. The shotgun performs well when shooting at short distances.

    https://army-today.ru/oruzhie/hatsan-escort-aimguard
    1. hhurik
      hhurik 11 May 2021 23: 41
      +1
      The pump is inconvenient when hunting. From the word at all. Noisy, the second shot is lost from reloading, and the third is not needed, everyone has already flown away. Classics - overboard or doppelflint. But personally, I saw a lot of hunters with fanfare, mainly in the 90s. Usually the trunk was for the defense of the home - well, and go hunting on occasion. Now there really are no such people anymore, but strange people have appeared - "saigas" who are trying to get into the game from these shot-swarms of theirs.
      1. impostor
        impostor 12 May 2021 09: 34
        +1
        strange people have appeared - "saigas" who are trying to get into the game from these their shot swarms
        You bae on hanza. Well, okay, although offtopic, but a few words: Kalashoids are taken mainly for self-defense and IPSC. Time. On modern "fast" powders (for example, Nobel Sport), the long barrel loses its speed advantage (it has been measured several times). Two. If about the bar, then no one has been using regular sighting for a long time. Three. The ability to carry up to 10 places with a bullet store is appreciated even in the field. A huge number of bears have recently been divorced, a person is not put in a penny, a person has more and more chances to get into their food chain, not to mention cranks and wounded animals. In a negative scenario, your fracture after a doublet (the bear is very strong on the wound) will be inserted into your anus and turned there, at best you will be buried in brushwood for culinary purposes. As you can see, everything is not so obvious. I repeat once again - you need to smoke this topic in the Hanse.
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  • kieferandreas
    kieferandreas 11 May 2021 19: 14
    0
    Did the terrorist compare himself to "God"?
    too inflated self-esteem, even an "avenger angel".
    it’s not about access to weapons, but the approach to people, he studied well, but why did he just go bad at once? maybe reconsider the attitude of schoolchildren towards those who study well? maybe they persecuted him, humiliated him and the teachers did not even want to notice it?
    I do not believe that people from one minute to another took a weapon and went to shoot, this needs to be planned, to know where to get a weapon, to understand its functionality to understand what and how and for this time is needed. so they just brought this person to the table or even brainwashed with something and now he's a terrorist? Children need to be taught morality what is good and what is bad.
  • zxc15682
    zxc15682 11 May 2021 20: 00
    +2
    In Russia, you can easily buy a 12-gauge bazooka, but a 22-caliber revolver, horseradish kupish. am