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Shots were fired in one of the schools in Kazan

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There are alarming reports from Tatarstan about an incident in one of the educational institutions. We are talking about the Kazan secondary school (gymnasium) No. 175, which is located on Faizi Street.

Local sources report that there was a shooting at the school. In addition, it is reported that an explosion thundered within the walls of the educational institution.

Information resources of Tatarstan provide information that law enforcement officers and emergency services arrived at the school. According to some reports, riot police officers entered the school building.

According to unverified information, children do not leave school through the main exit, many are in their offices, and some jumped out of windows.

According to the latest reports, the shooting in the gymnasium building was opened by two unknown persons. According to other sources, weapon two students of the same educational institution carried it to the school. The type of weapon has not yet been reported.

According to some reports, one of the shooters was detained by the police and has already been taken out of the school building.

Various sources publish different data on the consequences of the shooting. Thus, it is reported that there are dead and wounded in the school.

More than 2 dozen ambulance teams work at the gymnasium building.

The head of Tatarstan left for the gymnasium.
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VKontakte / gymnasium 175 Kazan
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  1. Civil
    Civil 11 May 2021 10: 27
    0
    They write about 9 people killed ...
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 10: 40
      +11
      The name of the shooter is Galyaviev Ilnaz Renatovich, he is 19 years old. He is detained. Ilnaz killed seven eighth graders and one teacher. During the arrest, he said that he had planted a bomb at the address of his registration. Columbine in Tatar.
      1. Civil
        Civil 11 May 2021 10: 49
        +1
        13 dead write, Galyaviev was detained, the second was shot. According to the media. This is a tragedy.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 10: 54
          +38
          Here is this bio-waste. For 13 dead it will go to life, and there will rot. He killed quickly and stealthily, and the state will take his life slowly and according to the law. And the competent authorities will figure out what is the cause of this tragedy. But the lives of children can no longer be returned.
          1. Esso
            Esso 11 May 2021 11: 02
            +2
            2 teenagers started shooting, one was detained the second on the 4th floor is shooting back. A security guard, a cleaner, 7 children, eighth-graders were killed, the teacher was killed. Information is preliminary, not accurate. Hero's name is Ilnaz Galyaviev, 19 years old. Father said he graduated from the institution 4 years ago. Then he studied IT
            The second was blocked on the 4th floor. Perhaps there are hostages. There is information about the elimination of the second.
            In the place of his residence, the first one planted an explosive device, his mother was at home.
            There is information about 13 victims. 11 died during the shooting, 2 jumped out of the window, died from injuries.
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 12: 19
              +4
              This bio-waste still had its own telegram channel. Parents and friends will tell you we haven't noticed anything.
              1. Nycteaph
                Nycteaph 11 May 2021 17: 04
                +1
                There in Telegram 4 there was a subscriber
                1. Bashkirkhan
                  Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 19: 58
                  0
                  Yes, not enough subscribers
            2. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 12 May 2021 08: 13
              -1
              Quote: Esso
              Then he studied IT

              Here you go.
              This means that there has already been some kind of shift.
              Plus shooting games, plus western action movies, plus blogging popularizing stories like Columbine.
              And I suppose I bought the trunk through the darknet for bitcoins.
              It is necessary to deprive such IT geniuses of the physical ability to listen to bloggers and browse the dark web.
              Therefore, a law on education and a sovereign internet is vital.
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 11 May 2021 11: 51
            +11
            The problem is different. He will clearly have followers and imitators. There are always enough brainless teenagers with surging hormones. And here is such an action. And preventing new cases will be mega-difficult. In recent years, there have been constant reports of the prevention of such acts by the FSB. And there were silly people who began to whine "onizhedeti" at the same time. And here is one case that could not be identified and so many corpses. request And of course we need to find out where they got their weapons from.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 May 2021 12: 22
              +13
              And preventing new cases will be mega-difficult.

              To begin with, you need to carefully check the people who are requesting a license. All the more so - a 19-year-old wimp. He had to present a certificate from the district police officer - did he really know nothing about him? What he breathes, what he lives. Why does he need a weapon? And in general - my deep IMHO 19 years is not the age of possession of a weapon .. For they still do not think with their heads. I would give at least 25.
              1. Devyatomayets
                Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 12: 55
                +8
                Quote: paul3390
                IMHO 19 years old is not the age of possession of a weapon .. For they still do not think with their heads. I would give at least 25.


                Um, but according to the Vion service law, a good age to own a weapon / tank / cannon / RPG is 18 years.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 11 May 2021 12: 57
                  +3
                  Are you in the army own weapon / tank / cannon / RPG ??? what No - they trust you for a while under the supervision and control of officers and sergeants. These are two different things! negative
                  1. Devyatomayets
                    Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 14: 32
                    0
                    Quote: paul3390
                    These are two different things!


                    Those. to go and die in the ruins of Grozny on New Year's Eve from the age of 18 is the norm, and to own a weapon in civilian life is "no, no", no matter how something happens?
                    1. Nikolay73
                      Nikolay73 11 May 2021 16: 46
                      0
                      Would you ask yourself a similar question if your child died in this school?
                      1. Devyatomayets
                        Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 16: 48
                        -3
                        Quote: Nikolay73
                        Would you ask yourself a similar question if your child died in this school?


                        I'm not a woman, no need to put pressure on pity and emotions. If there is anything on the facts, then I will be glad to hear.
                      2. Nikolay73
                        Nikolay73 11 May 2021 16: 54
                        +1
                        What does a woman have to do with it? I'm not pushing for pity, I asked a specific question. And as for the facts - the one who has taken the oath becomes a soldier, the soldiers carry out orders and weapons are one of the means of his (order) implementation.
                  2. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 11 May 2021 17: 44
                    +2
                    and he served in the army? no ... he did not serve, which means that you cannot give weapons
                    1. Devyatomayets
                      Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 17: 49
                      -2
                      Quote: Barberry25
                      and he served in the army? no ... he did not serve, which means that you cannot give weapons


                      What is the law? Indeed, if such a law existed, then in that case, the dagger of Marshal Zhukov would have to be taken from the unserviceable Shoigu. And the authorities will not agree to this.

                    2. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 11 May 2021 18: 07
                      +1
                      that's how the fans of short-barrels got hot ... By what law? Yes, according to the usual, addition to the laws on weapons ... that from such a date, those who did not serve in the army are not subject to registration ... by the way, the Ministry of Emergencies has access to weapons, and Shoigu is a serviceman , so he has access .. The question .. with what drinking at 18 years old, when the milk has not dried on his lips, anyone who wants to have the right to get a gun and go shoot people?
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 12 May 2021 07: 01
                  -3
                  Exactly. You mix things together. How can you mix the execution of a combat order in the service of your country and the purchase of a barrel for hunting, for example, of your own free will ???
              2. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 12 May 2021 08: 17
                0
                Quote: paul3390
                Do you own weapons in the army?

                Is it necessary own?
                It is enough to hold in your hands and have a store equipped with combatants to start shooting at colleagues for some reason.
                Not so long ago, there was a similar story.
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 11 May 2021 13: 05
              +1
              After all, military service and civilian circulation of weapons are two different things. But registration as a hunter could have been stricter. Any recommendations for a young man could have been requested, in addition to the formally necessary certificates.
          3. Barberry25
            Barberry25 11 May 2021 17: 43
            0
            and better from 30 years old
          4. g1v2
            g1v2 11 May 2021 19: 56
            +1
            In the United States, a bunch of shootings are committed by adults. A dismissed employee or a manager who is crushed by colleagues or underestimated in his opinion can do equally terrible things.
        2. BastaKarapuzik And
          BastaKarapuzik And 11 May 2021 19: 47
          -1
          so that there are no imitators ... you do not need to advertise this story too much.
          so the number of criminals who want publicity and discussion is reduced.
          somewhere abroad there were - a lot of suicides, then TV, on the radio, in the newspapers - he threw himself on the rails, jumped under the train, and so on and so on. information noise, discussion ...
          these stories were removed from TV and newspapers, and, in principle, in real life there were fewer of them.
          it seems to work ..
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 12 May 2021 08: 18
            -1
            Close YouTube unambiguously.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 11 May 2021 11: 53
        +16
        For 13 dead it will go to life, and there will rot.

        Quartering .. public and all business. Still feed this scum ..
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 12: 43
          +7
          Quote: Svarog
          Quartering .. public and all business. Still feed this scum ..

          Would have started an aquarium with sharks for such nits a long time ago.
          People can't always buy new clothes for themselves, and that ... buys weapons. I didn’t serve in the army - you don’t have the right to a weapon, you don’t have a license to a car (unless, a moped or a motorcycle) ...
          These are the fruits of indifference. The school imposes thieves' concepts (similar rules). And the state cannot leave the "unfortunate and stupid" sadists without literacy. And why are there no special schools with warders and rods, punishment cells and labor service? If you do not want to live (study) in normal conditions, go outside the gate.
          1. Torins
            Torins 11 May 2021 13: 05
            +1
            And what if he didn’t serve in the army due to his health? Can't drive auto with flat feet?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 13: 22
              0
              Quote: Torins
              And what if he didn’t serve in the army due to his health? Can't drive auto with flat feet?

              If flat feet does not affect the ability to drive a car and there is a keen desire and an entry in the military card, - fellow
              With "flat-wittedness" should not be. Otherwise, it seems that some "individuals" buy both a license and a car just to run over a pedestrian or a cyclist.
              A car is a means of increased danger, and according to the constitution, I must be equal in rights to a normal life and health and guaranteed against "stupid drivers" rushing through the courtyards at speeds above 60 km / h.
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 12 May 2021 08: 20
                -1
                Well, the cyclist is a pretty mischievous creature. Itself strives to get under the wheels. Khrustyk, in a word.
                And pedestrians are pins.
        2. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 11 May 2021 16: 49
          +1
          I will say bad things, but also with the broadcast, so that not the slightest thought about repeating ...
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      4. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 May 2021 12: 16
        +2
        Nus, warm his bucket and adventures under the tail.
        Condolences to the parents of the victims.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 11 May 2021 17: 46
          +1
          no..he will be a vegetable
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 11 May 2021 19: 30
            0
            He won't be anyone now. And they won't call him. I don’t understand one thing, how a person with such mental disabilities could have a firearm, and accomplices?
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 11 May 2021 19: 38
              0
              yes it is corny ... if you have not been registered earlier, then no one will conduct a full-fledged examination ... the problem needs to be solved comprehensively, starting with restrictions on the possession of weapons and ending with normal school security
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 11 May 2021 20: 07
                0
                At the very least, there should be a full examination by a psychologist. And pass it at least once a year. But with the school, I don't understand how there was no security there.
                In my school, back in the 90s, there was already a guard.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 May 2021 20: 11
                  0
                  so and there they say that there was an old lady ...
      5. Captain45
        Captain45 11 May 2021 12: 49
        +3
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        And the competent authorities will figure out what is the cause of this tragedy.

        According to media reports of Tatarstan, this non-human declared himself to be a god and declared that he hates people and came to destroy them. I would say who he is, but Zarathustra does not allow.
      6. Gado
        Gado 11 May 2021 20: 16
        0
        I just didn't understand one thing - why is this "bio-waste" still alive? Why wasn’t they shot him like a madman, who in essence is “this”?
  2. Torins
    Torins 11 May 2021 12: 58
    +1
    After the inquiry, it is necessary to give it to the parents of the deceased ... To touch this children ... No words ...
  • SERGE ANT
    SERGE ANT 11 May 2021 10: 44
    +23
    My condolences to the family and friends of the children ... They didn't have time to live at all, it's a problem ...
  • nnm
    nnm 11 May 2021 11: 31
    +1
    Already they write about 11 dead.
    Two attackers eliminated, one detained
    https://m.gazeta.ru/social/news/2021/05/11/n_15963722.shtml
  • Clear
    Clear 11 May 2021 12: 04
    +9
    Horror.
    Earlier, there were comments that the detention of teenagers who were preparing terrorist acts was an arbitrary action of the special services. Here's to you #yzhechildren ... now tell this to the parents of the lost children.
    You have to work harder.
    My sincere condolences.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 12: 46
      +4
      Quote: Clear
      You have to work harder.

      Harder !!! "Shirsha and deeper" you need to work in mastering the Russian language!
      1. Clear
        Clear 11 May 2021 19: 38
        +4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Clear
        You have to work harder.

        Harder !!! "Shirsha and deeper" you need to work in mastering the Russian language!

        Yes thank you. Upset about the kids.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 11 May 2021 20: 05
          +4
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Clear
          You have to work harder.

          Harder !!! "Shirsha and deeper" you need to work in mastering the Russian language!

          Yes thank you. Upset about the kids.

          Pay no attention to these self-admiring "great teachers."
          A normal man would have kept silent in such a situation.
          Of course, they do not see errors behind themselves.

          Here's just a shot:
          ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich)
          April 15 2018 16: 13


          Assad spoke about the unity of the people after the US attack
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          It is premature and therefore risky to invest in Syria

          Yes, we are in these dollars, as in a litter of Royms.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 May 2021 10: 29
    +8
    Again the teenager opened fire, was detained. 6 students and a teacher died. I offer my condolences to the relatives of the victims! They are already talking about 9 dead.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 May 2021 10: 35
      +5
      It is unnecessary to disseminate unverified information. It's not all over there. Fakes are not needed now.
    2. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 11 May 2021 10: 36
      +12
      It's sad that this is happening.
      In the Soviet school, this never happened, in any case, I have not heard of this.
      Establish a motive and react accordingly.
      Maybe it’s worth giving some lessons in schools with explanations.
      Condolences to relatives.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 11 May 2021 10: 45
        +1
        So this is democracy. It has never been otherwise in it.
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 11 May 2021 11: 37
          +6
          Quote: AKuzenka
          So this is democracy. It has never been otherwise in it.

          What does democracy have to do with it? Let's postpone political showdowns and assessments for the time when everything is over and at least a preliminary investigation takes place. Who was it: crazy? Terrorist? How many were there? What are the motives? And then we'll judge and dress. In the perception of normal people, what is happening is primarily a tragedy. The children died. Help your parents and don't fuss with politics.
          1. Hanurik
            Hanurik 11 May 2021 12: 35
            +5
            Put it aside for later. Until the next massacre. You don't need to bury your head in the sand - these children were killed by capitalism.
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 11 May 2021 15: 01
              -2
              Quote: Hanurik
              Put it aside for later. Until the next massacre. You don't need to bury your head in the sand - these children were killed by capitalism.
              Are you proposing to arrange a discussion right now? Or load Aurora's guns? And the construction of the next communism cannot wait a few days? Do you have a conscience?
        2. Gato
          Gato 11 May 2021 13: 18
          +5
          So this is democracy.

          And tolerance. The stigmatized Soviet punitive psychiatry identified and isolated such shitheads. And now it is impossible - for freedom and human rights. How about the parents of the murdered children?
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 12: 38
        +7
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        In the Soviet school, this never happened, in any case, I have not heard of this.

        In a Soviet school, they would immediately classify the case, forbid the media to cover it, and take a nondisclosure agreement from all witnesses. Read about the Kazan phenomenon from the 70s.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 11 May 2021 12: 58
          +7
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          In a Soviet school, they would immediately classify the case, forbid the media to cover it, and take a nondisclosure agreement from all witnesses.

          At least it's not Kazan, but the Orenburg region is not far away, at the end of the 70s in my city there was a case of four thugs - a 2nd ninth grader, one tenth grader and one eighth grader, mocked a sixth grader, and then hung him on a pioneer tie in the locker room. So they talked about this case in a whisper in the city, the court was closed and no one really knew anything and the teachers in the schools did not say anything. But what is this case, many people knew about the collision of planes, when the Pakhtakor team died or when trains collided near Krasnoyarsk and a hundred people burned down. Nobody knew about this and maybe for the better. The less you know the better you sleep. In any case, there were no psycho followers. And this morning begins with a listing of where, how many people died, like in a war, except that funerals are not sent, only the details of what happened are savoring, ghouls-magazines.
        2. Blacksmith 55
          Blacksmith 55 11 May 2021 15: 25
          +1
          You are partly right, at that time information did not spread so quickly, now you will not have time to fart, and this is already known on the other side of the ball. And the newspapers naturally did not write such things.
          And at the same time, there was no such violence in the school during the Soviet era.
      3. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 May 2021 12: 50
        +3
        It all depends on upbringing. And during the Soviet school there were sometimes disruptions in upbringing. Investigators cried when they took out the body of the victim from the river, young monsters. Only a narrow circle of people and witnesses living nearby knew about this. I don’t remember the punishment for so many years! As they say in the family, not without a black sheep!
  • BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 11 May 2021 10: 36
    0
    Driven by "white crow" or recruited by an Islamist?
    1. gaura
      gaura 11 May 2021 11: 36
      +3
      in our country there is no free circulation of weapons. And the average person cannot make an explosive at home. So it certainly could not have done without curators. Someone gave him a weapon in his hands
      1. BISMARCK94
        BISMARCK94 11 May 2021 11: 44
        0
        Somewhere I saw Old that one barrel was registered
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 11 May 2021 12: 15
          +14
          The trunk is said to be official .. Who gave him a litsuha at the age of 19 ?? Where did the precinct and LRO look ?? Of course, I really feel sorry for the children ..

          But I'm afraid - the reaction of the authorities will be as always - to tighten the screws all the way to law-abiding owners of weapons. As we did before. And all because of one freak ..

          PS Oh - I was right. The guarantor has already ordered to tighten and so on .. Instead of working with young people - now they will start to totally ban everything .. Ugh.
          1. BISMARCK94
            BISMARCK94 11 May 2021 12: 30
            +8
            Prohibiting is easier than doing work. Really, soon it will be possible to forget about the barrel ...
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 May 2021 12: 36
              +5
              Mikh.Mikh also said that it is necessary to deal with dampness, not mold .. In our country, for some reason, they sincerely believe that all problems are solved by universal prohibitions .. And it is not necessary to work on problems. So soon, let's say Ohm's law or Newton will be banned as objectionable ..

              The simplest way is to cover up your flagrant inability to do any useful activity with strict instructions. The truth is from them ... Alas, our authorities do not want to understand seemingly obvious truths point-blank ...
          2. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 11 May 2021 12: 44
            +8
            Quote: paul3390
            The trunk is said to be official .. Who gave him a litsuha at the age of 19 ?? Where did the precinct and LRO look ??

            The question to the State Duma deputies is how you can sell a trunk to a 19-year-old sucker. 25 years old, serving in the army, having your own children - enter such a qualification and without any psychiatrist you will weed out 100% of the columbiners.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 May 2021 12: 55
              +4
              I agree. Service in the army, age, and indeed at least something accomplished in life - should be a prerequisite. And the psychiatrist - what kind of cockroaches can he catch during the medical examination? It's just not real .. Just for show.

              In general, in the overwhelming mass, gun people are much more law-abiding. I probably gave a total of 200 thousand for my trunks, I wasted a lot of time on them - will I risk some stupid trick? Of course not. We have a lot to lose. And the sense of responsibility for the weapon is present in full growth.

              And such a trifle - where does all this come from? And the money for the barrel is clearly not earned by himself, and there are strong suspicions that he also did not quite get a litsuhu according to the law .. No - 25 years is the minimum age for a weapon. Before that - it is trifles and is not needed. If you want to shoot, go to the shooting range.

              In general, we must not prohibit everything in a row, but instill the culture of weapons in citizens from an early age! Shooting ranges, shooting societies, etc. As in the Union, Osoaviakhim was for example.
              1. Irokez
                Irokez 11 May 2021 13: 44
                -9
                Quote: paul3390
                In general, we must not prohibit everything in a row, but instill the culture of weapons in citizens from an early age!

                Yeah. Let's introduce another culture of drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, hookah consumption.
                You say shooting gallery - yes they are in every city, and even in a smaller settlement or where there are parks and tourist places. And what is forbidden to go to the shooting gallery? No go, shoot and even have a bow crossbow yes everything is there, but the scum are not cured of this, but on the contrary, they can learn from the experience and learn to shoot accurately, but in the head the worm is already sitting.
                I want to remind you of one rule: - "If no weapons, then no and deaths from it ", that is, if there is no object, then there are no consequences from it. So think about what to do so that there is no (or reduce the number) of murders. And therefore, all actions of the state in this direction to prohibit, tighten and control should increase, but nothing else.
                It makes sense to put pressure on people's consciousness and self-awareness, but not everyone gets it, which means there will be such relapses, but in the absence of a firearm that takes the lives of others at a distance, there will be knives, axes or other edged weapons (and not even weapons, but inventory), but there will be no such number of victims and the victim may even have a chance to stop the killer in close contact, which is much better than being killed from a firearm at a distance without a chance of protection.
                In the end, it is possible to oblige GPS / GLONAS beacons on legally issued weapons and the server (or even the AI ​​program) tracks the coordinates of the current position of the weapon that is deadly for the population. This is just one of the ways to track and prevent danger.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 11 May 2021 14: 01
                  +4
                  Stop talking shit. If you don’t understand a damn thing about the subject, you’d better shut up. Perhaps in some eyelids you will pass for a clever one.
          3. Captain45
            Captain45 11 May 2021 13: 01
            0
            Quote: paul3390
            Who gave him a litsuha at the age of 19 ??

            From the age of 18 you have the right to purchase, store, etc.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 May 2021 13: 07
              +3
              From the age of 18 you have the right to purchase, store, etc.

              I know. But - is it right? And - why didn't the precinct officer work? Did he give him a certificate? And to ask - why do you need a weapon at the age of 19? Where did you get the money for it? What are you going to do with him? And in general - what do you breathe, what are the people talking about you? And what about the LRO? Or did you buy a litsuha?

              These issues should be dealt with, and not immediately spoil the life of all law-abiding citizens !!
          4. Irokez
            Irokez 11 May 2021 13: 23
            -3
            Quote: paul3390
            The guarantor has already ordered to tighten, and so on .. Instead of working with young people - now they will start to totally ban everything .. Ugh.

            Don’t spit - it’s still useful to ask for help when it’s aspiring. This is right now you are smart, and then you will ask yourself.
            Weapons are a serious matter and "doing nothing" after such situations will not work. They have reacted, are reacting and will react by tightening and tightening the nuts, and they will also think again how to work with young people and to whom, when and when they will give out the gun and the term.
            Any personality is a darkness for everyone around and to find out, identify or prevent evil in a person is a huge difficulty and there will never be anything 100% (ideally), and therefore such cases will, unfortunately, always.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 May 2021 13: 43
              0
              There is no need to tell fairy tales about wise authorities? Once again - for especially smart ones. Tightening the screws for everyone is the most idiotic reaction of all. For it will not lead to anything but the anger of law-abiding citizens. Anyone who needs a weapon will always find how to get it. In this filthy world - loot solves any issues.
              1. Irokez
                Irokez 11 May 2021 13: 54
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                Tightening the screws for everyone is the most idiotic reaction of all.

                You mean that laws for everyone are the idiocy of all that is possible.

                Quote: paul3390
                except for the anger of law-abiding citizens

                Think carefully: - "Any law that goes against your wishes and desires with a whim will always be disapproved by you." And I am right in this statement. Look inside yourself and you will hear a feeling of protest against some kind of ban or restriction. Therefore, laws are written to limit and set some kind of framework or red line that cannot be crossed, and all these frameworks are the life experience and recommendations of the majority, not just the government or the supreme, and these restrictions, oddly enough for the good of the majority, but not a handful lovers of firearms. But you can also get a firearm, but again according to certain rules and laws that just make these fans nervous.
                Without rules and restrictions, there will be complete anarchy - do you want anarchy?
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 13 May 2021 09: 27
              0
              as well as once again they will think about how to work with young people and to whom, when and when they will give out in arms and time.
              But what about the reaction to the "Kerch shooter"? Where is the work with young people, where is the propaganda, that it is disgusting, at least? There is no it and it was not and will not be. Until some scumbag touches the children in power, no action will follow. And if suddenly, they will simply take away weapons from everyone, any, including knives, and introduce a deadline for the sharpener in the portfolio!
          5. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 13 May 2021 09: 24
            0
            PS Oh - I was right. The guarantor has already ordered to tighten and so on .. Instead of working with young people - now they will start to totally ban everything .. Ugh.
            Of course they are right. Now it is easy to predict the reaction of the authorities, you just need to voice the most idiotic simple option that does not require ANY effort from it. The authorities have no others for us.
      2. astepanov
        astepanov 11 May 2021 12: 05
        +4
        Quote: gaura
        in our country there is no free circulation of weapons. And the average person cannot make an explosive at home.

        BB can be made at home by any IT specialist, even more than average. If you want to find information, it is not difficult at all, as well as to purchase precursors. This is not the problem, because millions of normal people are not interested in information about homemade explosives, and they are not going to use weapons against children. But for some reason, it is not possible to block sites praising all sorts of breakviks, with incitement to suicide, with religious extremism. I don't know much about the technical side of the Internet, and I can't judge how difficult it is to effectively block this rubbish, catch the organizers and pull out their teeth.
      3. Avior
        Avior 11 May 2021 12: 09
        +4
        unfortunately, making BB at home is not such a big problem if you set a goal.
        But in this case, we are talking about weapons in the first place.
      4. Gato
        Gato 11 May 2021 13: 23
        0
        to make BB at home, the average person cannot

        Yes, maybe a lot of guides are walking on the Internet, I generally keep quiet about the darknet. So offhand it is easy to download, for example, "Anarchist Cookbook", incl. adapted Russian version
    2. Hanurik
      Hanurik 12 May 2021 04: 56
      -3
      How much does a modern graduate need to go crazy? A dysfunctional family, lack of funds for tutors, graduation from school in the 9th grade, studying in sharaga and the understanding that you will never have a beautiful life like on TV or on YouTube. Yes, this is the Joker syndrome, there will be more and more such psychos, social stratification gives rise to them in marketable quantities. These are those born in the USSR to this day, after 30 years they believe in the American dream, while young people after school sharply understand that these old fellows have lied to them all their lives. Most adjust, this one broke. I repeat, there will be more of them every day. There are hypocritical mourners who really don't give a damn about children as long as they're alive. The killer literally a couple of years ago was the same age as those killed by him, but no one took pity on him, no one helped him, no one cured him, and in general, everyone did not care about him. Such disregard for people around them naturally leads to such an ending. Because yes - they were all killed by capitalism, both the killed and the murderer.
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  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 11 May 2021 10: 40
    -2
    We need to wait for accurate information. There was a report about 1 dead and wounded.
    One was detained, but how was the other? It was necessary to bring down both at once to death. Why would such idiots copying brainless imitators of radicals in the United States live?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 11 May 2021 10: 48
      +2
      Quote: mojohed2012
      We need to wait for accurate information. There was a report about 1 dead and wounded.
      One was detained, but how was the other? It was necessary to bring down both at once to death. Why would such idiots copying brainless imitators of radicals in the United States live?

      And if he is a pseudo-Islamist? If you take one alive, it will bring the whole cell
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 11 May 2021 11: 09
        +5
        Quote: Krasnodar
        And if he is a pseudo-Islamist?

        Albert, these are insults ... Where are we going.? What happens to the minds of our children? Even in the 90s, this was not the case.
        Just a beast.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 11 May 2021 11: 38
          +10
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Albert, these are insults ...

          Who offended him? If he is able to register and buy a gun, I don’t think he finished eating without salt ... 19 years old, offended by 8 classmates?
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          What happens to the minds of our children?

          Have not learned to protect the minds of our children. And they interfere with this intensely, try to punish YOUR child and you can be deprived of parental rights, is this not absurd?
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 11 May 2021 12: 40
            +4
            Quote: NIKNN
            Who offended him?

            He walked purposefully, to a certain class. All dead (firearms) in this class. Most likely, he went to kill the teacher. Maybe a former homeroom teacher.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 May 2021 12: 16
          +3
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And if he is a pseudo-Islamist?

          Albert, these are insults ... Where are we going.? What happens to the minds of our children? Even in the 90s, this was not the case.
          Just a beast.

          Greetings Stas hi
          Computer shooters have replaced courtyard companies, in which, at the very least, there was an idea of ​​good and evil. Parents who rejoice that the child is in his room at the computer, and not in a nightclub, forgetting that the Internet is a means of teaching a child to classical music, broadening his horizons and understanding foreign languages, and not keeping him at home, etc.
          1. Torins
            Torins 11 May 2021 13: 10
            0
            On the contrary, psychologists say that computer games are a way to let off steam.
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 07
              -2
              Quote: Torins
              On the contrary, psychologists say that computer games are a way to let off steam.

              Well, these are psychologists who say that they have not fully studied human psychology. There is in this psychology one observation in life for those who have served in the army: - "The army heals some, and cripples others." That is, the opposite is true for the stupid and unreasonable.
              1. Torins
                Torins 11 May 2021 14: 18
                0
                The stupid and unreasonable will find inspiration in books, newspapers, magazines ...
                1. Irokez
                  Irokez 11 May 2021 14: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Torins
                  The stupid and unreasonable will find inspiration in books, newspapers, magazines.

                  And this is also a fact, and therefore human psychology is darkness.
            2. Gato
              Gato 11 May 2021 20: 57
              0
              On the contrary, psychologists say that computer games are a way to let off steam.

              A very controversial statement. Letting off steam and releasing hormones are two different things.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 11 May 2021 10: 48
      +2
      Perhaps the living are more useful in the investigation, it is possible that they were knocked out for this case. Although, of course, it is sad that they did not prevent it.
      1. hhurik
        hhurik 11 May 2021 11: 02
        -6
        The maximum term of punishment for a grave crime for a minor under 16 years old - cannot exceed 6 years l / s, older - up to 10 years. Will come out to the vault when the graves of the victims are still fresh.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 11 May 2021 11: 18
          +2
          The number of victims is particularly serious by prior agreement, isn't it? Most likely, something religious like a sect or Wahhabism will also emerge.
        2. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 11 May 2021 11: 25
          +2
          The detainee is 19 years old.
        3. Free Island
          Free Island 11 May 2021 11: 26
          +5
          What a kid if this maniac is already 19 years old
        4. Hagen
          Hagen 11 May 2021 11: 27
          +5
          Quote: hhurik
          The maximum term of punishment for a grave crime for a minor under 16 years old - cannot exceed 6 years l / s, older - up to 10 years. Will come out to the vault when the graves of the victims are still fresh.

          There is infa that he is 19. So he will go to the full, for the edification of those who are still only at the stage of thinking ...
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 11 May 2021 16: 14
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        Perhaps the living are more useful in the investigation, it is possible that they were knocked out for this case. Although, of course, it is sad that they did not prevent it.

        Policemen are not geared towards prevention. Everything is like in the west.
      3. Gato
        Gato 11 May 2021 21: 04
        0
        what was not prevented

        And how to prevent it if there is no system that identifies inadequate personalities. Now, every personality is a value, even if it is frankly flawed.
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 11 May 2021 10: 42
    +7
    And that this scumbag, the offspring, needs to be fed and maintained for 20 years, and then say "Free" ??? 19 years old is no longer a schoolboy, then a terrorist attack! Death sentence for such and organizers it is not a question of retaliation or even more intimidation, but a question of justice !!!
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 11 May 2021 11: 07
      -5
      Quote: Aleksandr97
      The death sentence for such and the organizers is not a question of retaliation or even more intimidation, but a question of justice

      what justice? you're talking about revenge. And we don't have the death penalty. Although there is death due to careless handling of a soldering iron.
      these patients need to be isolated - yes, but not in prison, but as violent addicts for life in psychiatry on suppressive drugs. Because no normal person would do that.
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 11 May 2021 11: 27
        +3
        And we have no death penalty

        There is - Art. 59 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Now it is not applied due to the moratorium.
        Isolate and support it with budget funds? What for?
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 11 May 2021 12: 52
          -1
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          What for?

          I didn’t come up with it
      2. Gato
        Gato 11 May 2021 21: 19
        0
        what justice?

        Justice is not an abstraction. Specifically, a hanging body in a noose. If you don't believe it, read the Bible. Or the Koran. Or Marx.
      3. Gato
        Gato 11 May 2021 21: 26
        0
        Because no normal person would do that.

        This does not apply to adolescents in a time of hormonal rampage. As the father of two boys, I say for sure - they have different things. The main thing is to intercept in time, send to the mainstream
        1. Gato
          Gato 11 May 2021 21: 41
          0
          I don't know how I do some. I just show my children and grandchildren photos from the old album.
    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 11 May 2021 11: 47
      +5
      Quote: Aleksandr97
      And that this scumbag, the offspring, needs to be fed and maintained for 20 years, and then say "Free" ??? 19 years old is no longer a schoolboy, then a terrorist attack! Death sentence for such and organizers it is not a question of retaliation or even more intimidation, but a question of justice !!!

      The death penalty is a paltry punishment for such an evil. Well, they will shoot in the back of the head, he will not understand what happened. Life imprisonment is worse. A person grows up, grows old within 4 walls, life is boiling around and changing, and he realizes that he will not get there. People go so crazy, this is the same death, only with torment.
      1. hhurik
        hhurik 11 May 2021 12: 04
        +4
        How many life prisoners have been released lately, you know? Some continued to kill.
        https://pikabu.ru/story/pozhiznennoe_zaklyuchenie__i_vse_zhe_oni_vyikhodyat_8127117
    3. Ural resident
      Ural resident 11 May 2021 11: 50
      -1
      Quote: Aleksandr97
      And that this scumbag, the offspring, needs to be fed and maintained for 20 years, and then say "Free" ??? 19 years old is no longer a schoolboy, then a terrorist attack! Death sentence for such and organizers it is not a question of retaliation or even more intimidation, but a question of justice !!!

      Or even then a medieval execution, but now it is unrealistic according to the law.
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        1. forester1971
          forester1971 11 May 2021 11: 18
          +20
          Joking about the death of children is beyond morality. It’s strange then to be offended that you were told this, albeit in a rude manner.
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    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 11 May 2021 11: 15
      +14
      Quote: yehat2
      CS GO training for schoolchildren within the walls of the school

      Rough and not pretty. I will not insult and give an assessment. But sometimes, it's better not to write at all.
    3. your1970
      your1970 11 May 2021 12: 24
      +3
      quote = yehat2] CS GO shkolota training within the walls of the school [/ quote]
      You somehow joked very stupidly ... If you were joking ...
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 11 May 2021 10: 47
    +7
    Condolences to the victims, early recovery of the wounded. We are talking about children, there could be no greater tragedy ..
    1. Professor
      Professor 11 May 2021 11: 03
      +6
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Condolences to the victims, early recovery of the wounded. We are talking about children, there could be no greater tragedy ..

      Join.
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  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 May 2021 11: 14
    +3
    Sincere condolences. We are waiting for official confirmation of the number of victims and victims.
  • Kaw
    Kaw 11 May 2021 11: 16
    +7
    Here we need to publish less news about such shootings in the United States. Such news pushes the unbalanced to such actions, the Werther effect.
    1. Obliterator
      Obliterator 11 May 2021 11: 36
      +6
      Quote: Kaw
      Here we need to publish less news about such shootings in the United States. Such news pushes the unbalanced to such actions, the Werther effect.

      Here they wrote above that this did not happen in Soviet schools. It did not happen obviously because no one told Soviet schoolchildren about this method of "solving the problem". And they did the right thing.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 11 May 2021 12: 30
        +6
        Quote: Obliterator
        It did not happen obviously because no one told Soviet schoolchildren about this method of "solving the problem". And they did the right thing.
        In my childhood, there was a weapon in every yard. Since the age of 12, the guys have never parted with a gun in the forest. There was not a single crime involving the use of a firearm, not a single crossbow. There was a culture of using weapons. Fathers explained everything to their sons. And it's not about weapons, the problem is in the heads. Previously, children could not be driven home from the street, but now they cannot get fresh air from the house, they cannot be kicked out, they cannot be taken away from the computer. And games are more often similar, "shooters" ... maybe the line between a person's real life and playing with weapons in his hands is erased.
    2. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 11 May 2021 11: 42
      +6
      kaw. Right. I don't know what the Werther effect is, I know the Herostratus effect. I believe that what happened is a burp of democracy. As soon as the media suck on the crime of some scumbag for a whole week, someone might think, "That's how cool, a person became famous all over the world, but if I can - for a teenager, the cost of his own life is less than the cost of the life of a person who is responsible for his children. Proof - "Suicide Club", etc. I agree that there are few of them, and many are not needed to take the lives of innocent souls. They are now on their way to heaven, but I am numb at the thought of what their parents are like now. I would not discuss now - who is to blame, whether the family, the school, the metal detector frame or the old security guard who made the tragedy.It will always be, because there will be thugs, no matter how adults bother around them, and no matter what kind of barriers the equipment puts up. But if the media are more careful, at least one channel of terrorism will be inactive. As for religious motives, I don’t know, incompetent.
  • Don karleone
    Don karleone 11 May 2021 11: 28
    0
    Burn,. On a holy day
  • Tahtvjd2868
    Tahtvjd2868 11 May 2021 11: 32
    -2
    Schools should be guarded by the Russian Guard .. And the further, the more I am convinced of this. Poor kids! Blessed memory of them!
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 11 May 2021 12: 18
      +3
      You can't put a police officer at every school .. You can see them on the street too. Only to disperse rallies - yes, there are crowds wandering around .. The problem is different - our society hurts .. If there are such people ..
  • impostor
    impostor 11 May 2021 11: 36
    +6
    This extremism is authentic, so to speak. This is really difficult to filter out. The barrel is legal, so it will end as usual with a wrench for law abiding ..
  • viktor.
    viktor. 11 May 2021 11: 45
    +5
    Condolences to the family and friends of the deceased. It's scary, how can you shoot children? We live for the sake of only children !!!!! Filth !!!! I have no words!! They need to be torn apart slowly !!!!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 11 May 2021 11: 46
    +1
    Why should a school get to a person so that after 4 years he will have a motive to go and kill a bunch of people there, most of whom have never even seen him in their eyes ..
    What sanity is there!
  • Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 11 May 2021 11: 47
    +13
    It was not the USE and the USE that had to be hammered into the heads of the children, but education was needed, as it was in the Soviet school. Even in the dashing gangster 90s, this was not the case, even the gangsters bypassed the school with a showdown, while the school kept at least the remnants, but Soviet methods and upbringing and Soviet-trained teachers. And then democracy came to school, everything became possible for everyone, except for teachers, of course. You can beat them in class, spit in them, throw chairs, and for this, except for a conversation of pacification, there will be nothing, you are a PERSONALITY !!!! One smart guy said - the level of democracy in a society should correspond to the development of this society. Like that. Democracy in a herd of monkeys - get the result. The mothers adopted smart laws - it will get worse.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 11 May 2021 12: 11
      +1
      Children are like a sponge, they absorb everything around them. So raising children mainly at home, in the family in the first place. School is in the background.
  • rta2
    rta2 11 May 2021 11: 52
    +7
    The complete absence of youth policy in the country. Without money, nowhere. No sections, no circles. Everyone is playing dancing, and the younger generation is being devoured by social networks and media. The entourage of imaginary well-being in the country sometimes helps when this happens.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 11 May 2021 11: 52
    +3
    Condolences to the families of the deceased and recovery of the injured.
    Once again about brainwashing through the Internet and Internet censorship, ideology in the state, the governing hand and the implementation of laws.
    Until there is order, there will be no sense!
  • Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 11 May 2021 11: 52
    +7
    And the best guard has always been and will be upbringing, not a machine gunner.
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 11 May 2021 12: 04
    +3
    Condolences to the parents of the victims. Losing a loved one is always difficult, especially when parents have to bury innocent children.
    Another question arises, how did the 19-year-old get the registered trunk? A permit must be issued (!) Only (!) After serving in the army, so that sanity is confirmed and the threshold of infantile carelessness is passed.
    A life sentence will be a fair punishment, it is a pity that this will not return the lives of the children and never make up for the grief of the parents.
    1. your1970
      your1970 11 May 2021 12: 31
      +5
      Quote: Anchorite
      A permit must be issued (!) Only (!) After serving in the army, so that sanity is confirmed and the threshold of infantile carelessness is passed.

      An army shooter - who put an officer, a contract soldier and a bunch of conscripts, no? Was his sanity confirmed and passed the threshold?
      Yeah, schaz ...
      Blind belief that after the army, they are straight adults, smart and conscientious ...
      Oh well...
      Adult and conscious - will he put on the uniform of the airborne sewing troops? And they wear demobilization and there are a lot of them, a lot ...
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 May 2021 12: 04
    +1
    Something similar happened in Crimea 5 years ago. We need to wait for more or less reliable information, with assumptions only to clog our consciousness.
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 11 May 2021 12: 11
    +4
    This scumbag before this massacre in his telegram laid out such nonsense belay ... Like, I'm a god, all my slaves, I'll go to wet the bio-waste, and those who are looking, they say, do the same, and then shoot ... The dude apparently had a cuckoo completely gone ... Only it is not clear how on such a trunk registered request
    1. your1970
      your1970 11 May 2021 12: 34
      +2
      Quote: anfreezer
      was ... Only it is not clear how such a barrel was registered

      Even inpatient forensic psychiatric examination is not always 100% ...
      And for weapons you should not be registered .. And that's all ..
      And you can only register yourself - an exception is a court decision
  • andrew42
    andrew42 11 May 2021 12: 18
    +2
    For such things, you need to tie on the central square, and put a bat next to it. But we are "humane" ... in relation to sadists.
  • lubesky
    lubesky 11 May 2021 12: 23
    +4
    There is an urgent need to ban news and content about mass shooting. It has long been proven that recidivism of such gruesome crimes is adolescent imitators raised on media hype.
    1. Devyatomayets
      Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 16: 52
      -2
      Quote: lubesky
      It has long been proven that the recidivism of such gruesome crimes is adolescent imitators raised on media hype.


      Proved by whom? Can I link to the research, please?
  • Van 16
    Van 16 11 May 2021 12: 28
    +3
    This is a tragedy. To the deceased - a fond memory, to relatives - hang on, people.
  • Anti-communist
    Anti-communist 11 May 2021 12: 38
    +1
    I believe that in order to prevent this, the free circulation of pistols should be allowed.


    In the US state of Texas, two people were killed in a shooting in a church.
    It is reported that an unknown person opened fire at a Christian church near the city of Fort Worth. The attacker managed to kill two people, after which he was shot and killed by visitors to the church.
    Another person was injured in the incident, doctors assess his condition as critical.
    Texas Department of Public Safety official Jeff Williams praised the "heroic worshipers" who stopped the militant. Several parishioners quickly drew their weapons shortly after the first shot, he said.
    1. Devyatomayets
      Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 16: 51
      -2
      Quote: Anti-Communist
      I believe that in order to prevent this, the free circulation of pistols should be allowed.


      It's like that. In the United States, scaling occurs only where it is forbidden to walk with a weapon - in schools, shopping centers and other places. The sign "No weapons" is like an invitation for an armed maniac.
      1. lubesky
        lubesky 11 May 2021 17: 05
        0
        Be so kind as to read about the relapses of mass shooting in educational institutions in the United States in the 90s after Columbine on your own and find the links yourself. And also about the conclusions of the special commission on the hype in the media and the consequences of these direct broadcasts. It would be nice for you to read both sociology and something about the behavioral principles of adolescents and everything on this topic, touch the topic of "imitation" and other research.
  • lexa333
    lexa333 11 May 2021 12: 53
    +2
    I express my deep condolences to my parents. God forbid, I am a father.
  • MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 11 May 2021 15: 19
    +2


    Video of the interrogation of this idiot
    1. Devyatomayets
      Devyatomayets 11 May 2021 16: 53
      +1
      Yes, his cuckoo is completely leaked.
    2. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 11 May 2021 17: 16
      +2
      He hopes to move out in psychiatry ...
  • aries2200
    aries2200 11 May 2021 17: 03
    0
    not so long ago, one Tatar girl filled up 8 of his fellow soldiers ... like they gave him a life sentence
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 May 2021 19: 55
    0
    Yes. The event must be said to be out of the ordinary.
    I only heard about eighteen for the first time.
    Especially, what happened in general was explained by the 60 minutes program. We must give her credit.
    Again, at this stage, there is a lot of confusion. They show a lot of strange things.
    And this is strange - well, very strange ...
    A bunch of broken doors ... The consequences of the explosion ... At the same time ... I don't see any traces of burning (maybe I didn't look carefully)
    The class is locked ... What a problem to take that unfortunate lock out of a shotgun with an ammunition load of three hundred and fifty rounds ... what
  • Usher
    Usher 11 May 2021 23: 51
    -1
    And what, all the same against wiretapping))) That's freedom! They wanted to block this Telegram, the people rebelled.