"Now with GOS": MLRS "Tornado-S" will receive new high-precision guided munitions

The Russian MLRS "Tornado-S" will become even more dangerous for the enemy, the complex will soon receive new missiles, which are already being developed.

According to RIA News, which refers to a source in the defense industry complex, a new high-precision guided missile with a combined homing head is being developed for the Tornado-S MLRS. The ammunition will receive a seeker with thermal imaging and television guidance channels, as well as an additional semi-active laser system. In the near future, the stage of bench tests of the seeker for the new ammunition will begin.

The new missile, as conceived by the developers, will provide all-weather and all-day destruction of sedentary and small targets. The range of destruction is not specified, but earlier the developers promised to increase it from 120 km to 200. Let's hope that the new missile with the seeker will fly exactly at this distance.

It should be noted that high-precision ammunition with an inertial-satellite guidance system has already been developed for the Tornado-S MLRS. Their tests were reported last August. The Ministry of Defense explained that the new missiles allow one salvo to hit several targets at once. Before the launch, the necessary data for each ammunition is entered into the system separately (if necessary) and after the launch, the missiles hit each of their targets, having the ability to turn around after the launch. However, they do not have a seeker.

MLRS "Tornado-S" was developed as a replacement for MLRS "Smerch", it has 12 guides for 300-mm missiles. The installation allows you to hit targets to the entire tactical depth of the enemy's battle formations. MLRS tests took place in 2015. The Ministry of Defense announced plans for a complete rearmament with new MLRS, the priority is the Western Military District.

Comments

[novel66]

Well, that's right, otherwise the gang is such a fly, hell knows where

[hagen]

Quote: novel xnumx

and then a gang such a fool is flying, hell knows where

We know where. On those objects that the Poles presented in their media (from VO news).

[Real Pilot]

This is very timely and correct. You can only approve!

The Americans are converting their MLRS into tactical missile systems in a similar way.
For example, their HIMARS complex. It not only has 6 guided high-explosive missiles or can carry 1 ATACMS operational-tactical missile, but it has also been tested as a launcher for AIM-120 AMRAAM anti-aircraft missiles, and this is air defense ...
And our "partners", or rather, likely adversaries, stop producing unguided ammunition for MLRS.

Of course, the golden mean is important here! The price / performance ratio must be respected. Guided missiles are necessary - this is the imperative of the times. And so many unmanageable ones have already been done, Russia's warehouses are not empty.
There will be something to give the aggressors a light!

[Avior]

I wonder how this will affect the price of ammunition - in fact, three guidance systems in one seeker. The efficiency will certainly increase.

[alexmach]

I wonder how this will affect the price of ammunition

It will increase (c)

[Avior]

yes it will not decrease :) but how much?
Wouldn't it be more correct to do two types of GOS - separately with television, separately with laser? Plus satellite in both versions

[alexmach]

but how much?

We can only guess, but the tornado rocket itself is no longer a cheap product. It may very well be that the increase in the price of the installation of the GOS will not be several times.

Was it not more correct to do two types of GOS

Now the combined seeker is essentially the standard for precision weapons.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Avior

Wouldn't it be more correct to do two types of GOS - separately with television, separately with laser? Plus satellite

1. Television, thermal imaging, laser seeker - everything refers to "optical-electronics"; that is, they can have "common" nodes ... which should reduce the cost of the combined optical-electronic seeker! That is, an infrared television seeker may not cost much more than a "separate" television or thermal imaging seeker! 2. And, as it was rightly noted, the 2-mode or 3-mode seeker becomes the "standard" of the guidance system of modern (!) Guided munitions (missiles) ...! 3. It is necessary to take into account the characteristics of the TV-GOS and IR-GOS separately!
IR-seeker is "good" at night, provides a fairly reliable guidance to heat-contrast (!) Targets ... TV-seeker is capable of a greater detection range and guidance of ammunition at visually contrasting targets during the day! (For example, the IR-GOS of the Chinese "Javelin" allows you to capture a target from a distance of 2 km ... TV-GOS also allows you to do this from a distance of 4 km!)

[alexmach]

(For example, the IR-GOS of the Chinese "Javelin" allows you to capture a target from a distance of 2 km ... TV-GOS also allows you to do this from a distance of 4 km!)

To be honest, it is not entirely clear how to use them on OTRK. With a javelin it is clear - there the operator pokes his finger at the target, but what about the OTRK in which the GTS should capture the target by flying up to it? Although, according to rumors, TV and IR GOS is used on Iskander ... But how - I do not really understand.

[Nikolaevich I]

On OTR, correlation-extreme guidance systems are usually used ... both optical and radar ... Although other IESs are also possible ... If in detail, then "talk for a long time" ... in short, images are stored in the memory of the guidance unit of the area where the target is located (the image (contour) of the target itself can also be stored ...) When the OTR approaches the target, there is a continuous comparison of what the guidance optics "sees" with the "pictures" in the guidance unit memory ...

[alexmach]

Got it, thanks. That is, to hit a target, you need fresh intelligence on the target. Got it.

[Avior]

laser guidance and optoelectronic are different systems.
therefore, the question arises on a ground installation to have both separately.
It makes sense to combine them on air-launched missiles due to the limited ammunition and the impossibility of reloading.
But on ground installations this is not very relevant, so the question arose

[VO3A]

You just forgot about the basic inertial system. In your version, you already get a 3-mode ...
And why is nobody talking about the Belarusian MLRS "Polonaise" with a Chinese missile and a range of 300 km? What has the author forgotten, or then no achievements come out?
Armed with "fraternal" Azerbaijan for a long time and has already fired ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPt-MqjL2w
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/polonaise-belarus/

[lucul]

how this will affect the price of ammunition - in fact, three guidance systems in one seeker.

Well, how it affects - before they fired all the ammunition for one target, but now one missile is enough. That's the question - which is more expensive, one new rocket or all the old ammunition)))

[AC130 Gunship]

And why did you decide that the first missile will definitely hit the target? Israel won - far from the last country in terms of military electronics. And they introduced some kind of "iron dome" a few years ago. But when Palestine started firing not at 3-5 missiles, but at 50-100, the dome no longer holds.
Here, of course, not the PVO is discussed in the article. But there are statistics for everything

[Barberry25]

the rocket can become a couple of times more expensive, but taking into account the prices for high-precision weapons, this is still not so much ... the main thing is that now there will be a means of destroying the enemy's radar at a great distance

[barclay]

Quote: Avior

I wonder how this will affect the price of ammunition - in fact, three guidance systems in one seeker. The efficiency will certainly increase.

The price will naturally rise. But the effectiveness of hitting the target increases significantly. It is much more effective to fire pointwise rather than in areas.
At such ranges, you need to fire as accurately as possible.
The Americans are developing 227-mm ammunition for the HIMARS MLRS with a cluster warhead for 6 self-aiming warheads, with a range of up to 300 km.
So the adversary does not sleep.

[Tektor]

Quote: Barberry25

the rocket can become a couple of times more expensive

I disagree, the rocket will increase by the cost of an elite category smartphone, 100 thousand rubles.

[APASUS]

Quote: Tektor

Quote: Barberry25

the rocket can become a couple of times more expensive

I disagree, the rocket will increase by the cost of an elite category smartphone, 100 thousand rubles.

You are confusing military electronics with a household appliance. In fact, the price of such a GOS will depend on the ordered batch

[Alex777]

I need it. Nobody does it any other way.
Reaction time and accuracy are key.
And the maximum unification of shells.

[lucul]

The ammunition will receive a seeker with thermal imaging and television guidance channels, as well as an additional semi-active laser system.

Hehe, what the doctor ordered))) This is exactly what was required for our modern MLRS.
Now at a depth of 200 km from the front line, the enemy will not be able to sleep well.
Now, as soon as the communication channel along Bayraktar is detected, the Tornado will work out for the communication operator, Bayraktar has the declared control range of less than 200 km)))

[SKVichyakow]

Have you decided not to reanimate the hurricane?

[sergant682]

Perhaps I am reinventing the wheel, but .. A complex and expensive seeker for each missile, with an outfit of forces, say 6 pieces, is an extra waste, and if, say, 1 missile with a seeker, and the rest are simpler with something, just to stay in a swarm with given dispersion, such as thread by needle ...

[hagen]

Quote: sergant682

1 rocket with a seeker, and the rest are simpler with something, just to stay in a swarm with a given dispersion, like a thread behind a needle ...

If the target is hit by one ammunition (the target is this), then why send all the ammunition there?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Well, it's simple, the target can be a column of armored vehicles or an air defense complex spaced apart by modules.

[alexmach]

If the target is hit by one ammunition (the target is this), then why send all the ammunition there?

And if we shoot at an area target, then there is a certain spread and not a hindrance.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: sergant682

Maybe I'm reinventing the wheel, but .. A complex and expensive seeker for each missile, ...

One head of the seeker is not enough ...
We also need a BSU in flight, controlled rudders, then that will turn the rocket in flight to the target (the developer assures that the rocket will be able to turn to the target)
In short, we get a new shell.
At the same time, there is a "Tochka-U" with the same range of up to 120 km.

[Zaurbek]

There are 6 vehicles in the battery ..... a certain amount of ammunition is allocated to each of the tasks, and here it will be less and further.

[Ros 56]

Good rockets, enough for all our enemies. And some here are talking about the price, so my question is - how much is your life and your family and friends? So compare, it will be expensive or cheap.

[sergant682]

I think you are wrong, because the concept of war, preparation for it, in addition to all the horrors that they carry, also have an economic concept, who will make weapons cheaper, with satisfying qualities, which means they will make it bigger, which means it will have large resources. ..A simple example, the Americans say, by now have managed to stamp 10 thousand Tomogavks and stick them where they don't get into ... how much more products can be produced if these components become cheaper, if one full-fledged GOS will help to accurately hit the target with other, cheaper and simpler GOS, if they are needed at all, (this is as a special case) by the way, this was already in some kind, ours, cluster anti-tank complex

[Ros 56]

That's why you and the sergeant think so. Take medieval Afghanistan, for example, and answer one question - who conquered it with all their technology and when?

[Zaurbek]

With the German approach to genocide ....... this issue would have been resolved. No one experienced military problems ... ... and there are no values ​​there.

[Ros 56]

The Soviet Union planned to put the German approach on its shoulder until autumn, you know the result.

[Zaurbek]

Well, Afghanistan is not the USSR

[Ros 56]

I agree not with the USSR, and even we did not leave there salty, but we were stupidly pissed off to us. Where do you think the generations of the 70s and 80s are now, and more than half are in the cemeteries. This is the most flourishing of the nation.

[Zaurbek]

They might not have left ... they might not have built a bunch of things there ...

[bk0010]

Quote: Ros 56

Take, for example, medieval Afghanistan and answer one question - who and when conquered it with all their technology?

Everyone who wanted to, actually. Another thing is that sitting there is really problematic: there are losses, but no gains. If there were serious deposits of something "tasty", then the Afghans would have run out under the British.

[Zaurbek]

This is not India, there is no value ... and the logistics are ruining.

[Ros 56]

Afghanistan is a potential source of valuable natural resources. The country has the richest reserves of oil (Sari-Pul, Angot, Kashkari) and natural gas (Shibergan, Khoja-Gugerdag, Dzharkuduk). In the explored fields, they amount to 200 million tons and 137 billion cubic meters. m respectively. In the bowels of Afghanistan, there are reserves of coal. The largest deposits: Shabashki (total reserves of more than 50 million tons), Darvaza (20 million tons), Karkar and Dudkash (12-15 million tons). The Afghan government has approved an agreement with the China National Oil and Gas Corporation, which implies the development of fields in the Amu Darya basin with reserves of at least 87 million barrels.

In the north of the country, salt-bearing structures are expressed near Talakan, rock salt of Tokchikhani, Kalafgan, Andkhoy, etc. is mined by artisanal means.

Especially for the highly uneducated and this is not all this is just a part.
Let's continue - The resource potential of the country is estimated by the Ministry of Mining of Afghanistan at $ 3 trillion, American specialists - at $ 1 trillion (iron - $ 421 billion, copper - $ 274, niobium - 81, cobalt - 51, gold - 25, molybdenum - 24).
Deposits of gold

Gold has been mined in Afghanistan since ancient times, but the extraction was carried out in an artisanal way and continues to this day. Industrial gold mining in Afghanistan in 2011–2015 was produced only at the Nurabinskoye field by Westland General Trading, which received a license to mine gold from the Samti and Nuraba placer deposits in the Takhar province of Afghanistan.

In 2018, the Government of Afghanistan signed a contract in Washington for the development of large gold and copper deposits in northern Afghanistan with the British banker Ian Hannam, and it is planned to start mining in 2019 (the names of the deposits have not yet been announced).

The explored reserves of gold in the country amount to 41,2 tons, including 10,35 tons in the deposits of primary ores.
Before writing any nonsense, they would ask about the question.

[Zaurbek]

Stocks + logistics are important ....... and production costs. There will be a need for these fossils, the authorities will change and they will get everything. The West has done this more than once. Recently, there are Africans, under the supervision of France, they slaughtered 1-2 million other Africans and nothing, silence.

[Lontus]

it was high time

[agond]

Yes, in dimensions the caliber is 300mm, the length is 78.6m, it is generally possible to make a cruise missile on solid fuel.

[Ros 56]

Is the toy too long according to your data?

[Zaurbek]

On the same MZKT there was a PU for KR pieces of 5 or 6 ... before the agreement on the prohibition of the MRBM

[bk0010]

This is pampering: this is no longer MLRS, but tactical missiles - completely different tasks and completely different money. It is usually not required to start up them in 12 pieces.

[Zaurbek]

If you look from the other side, then - a cheap replacement Tochka-U and, somewhere Iskander.

[bk0010]

Quote: Zaurbek

If you look from the other side, then - a cheap replacement Tochka-U and, somewhere Iskander.

Why is it suddenly "cheap"? Earlier, at least on the GOS, they saved, but now?

[Zaurbek]

On the Tochka and Iskander, there is a complex seeker, a complex trajectory ... and here, in coordinates with GLONASS and inertial ...

[Pavel57]

Laser guidance - who will shine a laser at a distance of 200 km?

[Zaurbek]

Or fighter or uav

[Zaurbek]

Good news. Can we rely on Kamaz 8x8 with 6 guides? And then the next question is with a larger 500-600mm caliber rocket on the same chassis. Replaceable package.