"Plans have changed": the Ministry of Defense will redistribute new submarines "Borey-A" between the fleets

The Ministry of Defense has started the rotation of submarine missile carriers of the new project "Borey-A", one or two submarines instead of the Pacific fleet go to the North.

The military department is considering the option of redistributing Project 955A Borey-A submarine cruisers. Earlier it was planned that most of the newest missile carriers would go to serve in the Far East, becoming part of the Pacific Fleet, now the plans of the military have changed.

While the Ministry of Defense has not finally decided on the number of Boreyevs needed by the Northern Fleet, the issue is under consideration. The command intends to leave one modernized Borey in the Northern Fleet, which is still under construction, but in a high degree of readiness. It is also possible that another missile carrier, already serving in the Pacific Fleet, will go to the North from the Far East.

As they say "News" With reference to sources in the military department, the decision on such a rotation was made after the Umka exercises of the Northern Fleet held in March, in which one new Borei-A, Prince Vladimir, participated. The submarine has shown excellent results.

At present, the Northern and Pacific fleets have two Boreas each. According to initial plans, the next three missile submarines were supposed to go to Vilyuchinsk, but now the plans have changed. Therefore, one of the "Boreyev-A" - "Prince Oleg", undergoing tests or "Generalissimo Suvorov", preparing for launching - will remain in the Northern Fleet instead of the Pacific. Rotation is planned for next year.

Meanwhile, the Northern Fleet has been replenished with a new multipurpose submarine "Kazan" of project 885M "Yasen-M". The ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag took place on May 7 at Sevmash, where the submarine was preparing for transfer to the fleet.

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[Thrifty]

Then, in general, a couple of new Boreys are super-planned to build. Otherwise, a squabble will begin between the commanders of the fleets, that they need boats more than in the other fleet!

[TerraSandera]

Already started, between the commentators :)

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Thrifty

Then, in general, a couple of new Boreys are super-planned to build. Otherwise, a squabble will begin between the commanders of the fleets, that they need boats more than in the other fleet!

On the occasion of the construction, on May 9, 2021, 2 submarines 955A Borey-A were to be laid. Something is not heard. Have you moved the bookmark date?

MOSCOW, April 27. / TASS /. Russian shipbuilders will mark Victory Day by laying down six ships and submarines. This was reported to TASS by a source in the shipbuilding industry.
“In early May, two Project 955A Borey-A nuclear-powered submarine missile cruisers, two Project 20380 corvettes, and two Project 636.3 submarines will be laid down,” he said.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, two strategic submarines will be laid down at Sevmash, two corvettes at the Amur shipyard, two submarines of the Varshavyanka project at the Admiralty Shipyards (all enterprises are part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation). The exact dates of the bookmark have not yet been determined.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11250123

[Alex777]

Perhaps that's why the plans changed:

"Not a single American airfield (we are not talking about aircraft carriers) will not be able to place fighters so close to Russia." Influential overseas magazine Forbes is delighted with the Pentagon's decision to the restoration of the abandoned Ericson airbase on Shemya Island (Aleutian archipelago), located less than an hour of flight of modern fighters (1049 kilometers) from Vilyuchinsk, the base of the latest Russian nuclear-powered strategic missile cruisers of the Borei type in Kamchatka.
In the event of the outbreak of a major war, such a short flight time will indeed minimize our chances of repelling a hypothetical massive missile and bomb attack on the naval base in Vilyuchinsk, which is most important for the Russian military security system. Where, in particular, is the 25th Red Banner Submarine Division of the Pacific Fleet, which includes the latest Boreis - K-550 Alexander Nevsky and K-551 Vladimir Monomakh. Therefore, we face one of the most daring challenges to Moscow over the past decade.

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/298174/

[Orange bigg]

Just moved the bookmark time. The plans have not changed.

[Alex777]

We are talking about the transfer of Boreyev from the Pacific Fleet to the Northern Fleet.
https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/33126.html
Although references to Izvestia do not add confidence.
And the postponement of the bookmark of 6 ships announced for May is incomprehensible.
Let's see how everything will be ...

[Vmf949a]

Why shouldn't tof be strengthened, it's not clear there are generally few boats that need reinforcement

[donavi49]

So, there they are, if anything, and will be closed in the database. Or do you think that one old Pike-B (Kuzbass) will break through the veil of Japan / USA PLO with a dozen Virginias? That is, there is no access to the ocean = shoot from the base, and in this case, why are expensive SSBNs needed for the tasks of a cheap PGRK?

[Popandos]

Or maybe the upgraded 995A works better from the podold, which was tested in the exercises.

[Stepan S]

Do you think that a dozen Virginias are lined up in a row and you just can't pass by without saluting? There are ways to go unnoticed into the ocean.

[donavi49]

Exist. Just like there are chances and ways to do anything. The only question is probabilities. Go for luck without collateral, deployment cover = play the lottery. Maybe you are lucky and come out to slip past the picket of hunters' boats and the PLO echelon, or maybe not.

[musorg]

They just fit a dozen and are built off our shores. Well, why grind it with your tongue.

[donavi49]

No, not so easy to stand. But the boats are not so easy to go out all in a crowd. There is parity. Someone from Losi-Virginia in that area is on rotation and is trying to identify and escort the SSBNs leaving Vilyuchi. SSBNs from Vilyuchi are trying to get out undetected.

However, in a special period, the number of hunters in the picket will grow rapidly (due to the basing), while Vilyuchi has one already tired Kuzbass and will not be able to quickly build up his forces. Whereas in the north it is still much better with the provision of deployment.

[ramzay21]

In order to pass unnoticed into the ocean, a good PLO is needed, but there is practically no such submarine at the Pacific Fleet. Of the PLO ships, there are several Soviet IPCs without modernization, and there are no corvettes in Vilyuchinsk and the surrounding area. The PLO Mi14 helicopters were sawed, the PLO aircraft are not there, and our Il 22 and their upgrades can detect salmon, but they have nothing to detect Virginia with.

[Alexy]

And that the RPKSN are no longer on combat duty in the ocean on the basis of rotation?

[donavi49]

They carry. But not all (but one in general or from the fleet). In a special period, they will all have to go out who is capable of this, or move away from the pier and go to the launch site in the harbor-near zone, with cover from the enemy anti-aircraft missile forces.

[hrych]

Quote: donavi49

Or do you think that one old Pike-B (Kuzbass) will break through the veil of Japan / USA PLO with a dozen Virginias?

And how can we solve the issues of the country's defense capability without you? First, the Pacific Ocean is huge (half of the planet's surface) and the unfortunate ten AMS can only be blocked in Imagine Also complete nonsense about the Pike covering the missile carriers. Is it like making noise? Pike have their own, more important task, and now another one has been added and Kuzbass is not old, so dear to your heart, Ohio Most of a pair of Pikes under repair with modernization. Well, there are also export deals with India, and since we are talking about the future, then they will be over in the future. Secondly, to cover the exit of SSBNs and so that no reptile would be attached to the tail, the PLO has many other means, including aviation, anti-submarine ships and, horror of the Black Holes, of which the group is growing and will soon overload a dozen. Thirdly, Borey, the fastest of the SSBNs, has the speed of a multipurpose vehicle and therefore cannot be intercepted by a multipurpose vehicle. What was the calculation, when it was sculpted on the basis of the same Pike-B, and the inserted missile compartment with a compact Bupava does not protrude with a hump. Also, Hupitepi Pacific Fleet, forget about Antaei of which there are five. And having lost the narrow task of aircraft carrier killing, they become ordinary multipurpose vehicles with Onyx-Zircons and with the entire range of Caliber from strategic to anti-submarine missile-torpedoes. Again, Ash for the Pacific Fleet is already mooring and the second will soon be launched and the Pacific Fleet grouping is already not from your biased comment, but in reality it is becoming one of the most powerful units of the Pacific Fleet in the World. And the most important thing. Since the time of Putin's cartoons, some have been laughing and laughing, but at the Pentagon they are not laughing. APP Belgorod is waiting for Poseidon and will go to the Pacific Fleet. between our eastern coast and the western American only a vast ocean, then the intercontinental Poseidon in the version of "Doomsday" does not need a carrier AT ALL, and if you turn on your brain a little, you can try to understand our strategists and that by the time the new Boreans are built, it will be faster than built thirteen Poseidons with the task of flushing Japan, Korea, the western United States and China into the world toilet. Well, taking into account your wishes with your beloved Virginias and other Japanese junk with stirlings and lithium-ion explosives, naturally Borei in the Arctic looks better with its speed, is ice-tested and stupidly you can hang more warheads on Bulava from the Arctic (almost twice ), because the distance to cover the entire US territory is stupidly less. We cannot forget about London either. In general, it is equally convenient to hit from the Arctic both in London (4,2 thousand from the Pole) with Paris (4,6 thousand from the Pole) and Tokyo (6 thousand) with Beijing (5,6 thousand), and in Washington (5,7 thousand) and Los Angeles (6,2 thousand). Again, the intercontinental Petrel and the development of our pride - a line of ground-based ICBMs, both mobile, maneuvering and attacking from any direction. We also have the Dagger very good against the closest neighbors, i.e. EU, Japan and PRC, like Iskander successfully covers the EU and our Far Eastern friends. Or create new samples, but not change the overall strategy? I hope the topic is fully disclosed

[lucul]

Why shouldn't tof be strengthened, it's not clear there are generally few boats that need reinforcement

As I understand it, more Boreys will go to the Northern Fleet, and almost all Ash trees will go to the Pacific Fleet, and to help China as well.
Give more Ash trees, a good submarine turned out)))

[Alex777]

Why shouldn't tof be strengthened, it's not clear there are generally few boats that need reinforcement

The Pacific Fleet must be strengthened.
All its components.
First of all, PLO.
The base infrastructure must be developed.
Apparently, not all plans were fulfilled with her.
SSBN is the icing on the cake.

[bayard]

With the fact that we have to protect the naval base on Kumchatka, and given the geography, it is better to transfer all SSBNs to the Northern Fleet in general, leaving only MAPLs in the Pacific Fleet (she is there in general now alone), SSGNs and NNSs.
Until the surface anti-submarine forces of the fleet are built and deployed in the proper amount, until a sane anti-submarine aircraft appears, until the diesel-electric submarines and the general surface forces of the Fleet are built and deployed in the proper number.
Today our strategic nuclear forces in Kamchatka are an easy and desirable target. And the period we have today is exactly the same - THREATENED.
So the decision is correct - to overtake all combat-ready strategic nuclear forces to the Northern Fleet, where the conditions for protection and deployment on combat patrol are much better. And the main forces of the fleet are not separated by thousands of kilometers from each other.
And the Pacific Fleet practically needs to be built anew.

[Alex777]

And the Pacific Fleet practically needs to be built anew.

Alas, you are right.

[Twodi]

Yes, in general, to dissolve and abolish the Pacific Fleet. And in general, why do we need an army in the eastern colonies. The main thing is to preserve the white stone!

[bayard]

Where did the colonies come from?
Yes, and "oriental"?

[Twodi]

Well, as I live in Vladivostok, and we are a colony for Moscow. 2019, tax collection in Vladivostok is 56 billion rubles, while 50 went to Moscow, 6 remained in the budget and 3 billion came from the federal budget for targeted programs. Aren't we a colony? More than 90% were taken from us, while Vladivostok has been the worst in the road quality ratings for many years already, and I am generally silent about what is happening in the region. Moscow appoints Guberov, all the grandmothers go to Moscow, you can't hold a meeting, you can't scold the authorities, you can't talk about independence. So tell me why we are not a colony? On what grounds do we not belong to the colony?

[bayard]

I think that you are not alone in your fate.
This is not a colony and a metropolis, this is the occupation since the coup of 1991.
Secured by the "constitution" since 1993
And separatism will not save here.

[novel66]

- But you yourself wanted it!

The furrier said in response.

Big seven sheep hats

Do not find any way!

[Piramidon]

Quote: novel xnumx

- But you yourself wanted it!

The furrier said in response.

Big seven sheep hats

Do not find any way!

Reminds of the saying about the skin of an unkilled bear. Divide boats that don't exist yet. By the time they are put into operation, the situation may have changed ten times.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

another missile carrier, already serving in the Pacific Fleet, will go to the North from the Far East.

...... paraphrasing Peter the Great ... AND WE WILL THREAT THE WEST FROM THE NORTHERN BORDERS .... well, what ... if there was a panic with the transfer of a group of troops to the Southern Military District, then I wonder what kind of panic will be with the transition of Borei to the KSF .. ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

if there was a panic with the transfer of a group of troops to the Southern Military District, then I wonder what kind of panic will be with the transition of Borei to the KSF ...

Panic?
Was there?
Who?
There was a good reason for information noise, no more.
And they know how to organize noise from scratch.
Most likely they will not notice the shuffling of our boats, it is too difficult to explain to the townsfolk. It is much easier to bang another thread of an abrek, or come up with another cyberattack.

[Tusv]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Panic?
Was there?
Who?
There was a good reason for information noise, no more.

Right. What is scary. Tea is not Ohio on direct fire. Boreas do not almost scare me

[Bez 310]

Oh, I beg you, stop making up strategic decisions!
Most likely, the fact is that the Pacific Fleet cannot provide full service for the Boreyevs. So they lie about new "huge plans" ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Bez 310

Most likely, the fact is that the Pacific Fleet cannot provide full service for the Boreyevs. So they lie about new "huge plans" ..

Most likely the greatest threat to us is from the other side. The United States will not fight us directly, and their satellites (South Korea and Japan) will not dare to do so.

ps
Not in the subject because there is no such topic.
Did everyone watch the parade? and how does it feel? Now look at how your parade is shown in China, appreciate the beauty of the formation, feast for the eyes. Do you think we can't do that? We know how, but "our" TV will not show us this ...

[Bez 310]

Quote: Boris55

Most likely the greatest threat to us is from the other side.

Well yes...
Do you understand something about the use of SSBNs, or, as always, take it out of your head? Don't take it there ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Boris55

? Now watch their parade in China

And we don't need to spoil the mood?
It's a holiday all the same.

[Diverter]

what is wrong with you? Well, we taught them, including military science, so what?

[Nazar]

Boris55 (Boris) - They did not pay attention - they have a portrait of Mao on the square, but we do not have a portrait of the Supreme Commander and the mausoleum is closed with plywood. Mankurt without memory and conscience

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Boris55

Most likely the greatest threat to us is from the other side. The United States will not fight us directly,

Yes, like, the boats are strategic, they do not care which side of the threat.
Again, they have no one else to fight except with the United States.

[Stepan S]

And such a parade in China is held every ten years, and you can get confused. Although I agree that our TV either does not know how or does not want to show the parade beautifully. What are at least the views of the front box following the movement - the crooked rows of staggering caps.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Boris55

Did everyone watch the parade? and how does it feel? Now look at how your parade is shown in China, appreciate the beauty of the formation, feast for the eyes.

Boris, if this almost ideal Chinese system is transferred from concrete to the paving stones of Red Square, then both you and the Chinese will be greatly surprised by the difference in the alignment of the order.

[Boris55]

Quote: Polite Elk

if this almost ideal Chinese system is transferred from concrete to the paving stones of Red Square

Quote: Nazar

on the square they have a portrait of Mao, but we do not have a portrait of the Supreme.

Watch the parades held in the USSR. The paving stones are the same, the demonstration on TV is different.

Another touch, the laying of wreaths at the tomb of the unknown soldier on 9/05/2021:

Two eights meaning "Heil Hitler". This is our presidential administration, protocol service (Vaino, Kirienko) ... blasphemy ...

About tricolor at the parade and in the immortal regiment - this is a spit on the graves of the fallen and the living ... About the tricolor: http://fct-altai.ru/files/2021/Tricolor_09_04_2021.doc

[Diverter]

I didn't like the 76th parade. in one box they went out of step, general drill training for four. And the directing of TV just sucks, because the constant does not match what was said and what was shown at that moment. Something all jerky turned out. Shoigu only looked handsome. Clear and serious. This is my opinion

[the most important]

Quote: Boris55

Did everyone watch the parade? and how does it feel? Now look at how your parade is shown in China, appreciate the beauty of the formation, feast for the eyes. Do you think we can't do that? We know how, but "our" TV will not show us this ...

You're right. For many years now, the parade has not been shown normally. Now, instead of technology, its wheels are only visible, then only the boots of the marching ones. Full feeling that Ravshin and Dzhamshut are now working on TV. And every day I am convinced of this more and more.

[Paranoid50]

Meanwhile, the Northern Fleet has been replenished with a new multipurpose submarine "Kazan" of project 885M "Yasen-M". The ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag took place on May 7 at Sevmash, where the submarine was preparing for transfer to the fleet.

Yes, really ?! ... The dear editorial board did manage to cover this event, and, as it were, by the way. And, after all, they are still claiming something ...

[Sergej1972]

I was also surprised that there was no information about this on VO.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Traitors to the people sitting in Moscow cover their ass and their capital, strengthening the SF! Under Stalin, they would have been shot for this! You can also hide under the ice at the Pacific Fleet! And on the Northern Fleet, as in the Pacific Fleet, there is no operational space! Thank you, the United States has already sunk Kursk in the Barents Sea! Don't say it isn't! This was done by the MK 48 torpedo! Likewise, the only aircraft carrier is based on the Northern Fleet! If you raise all NATO aircraft in the event of a conflict, then the actions of the Federation Council will be completely paralyzed! Another trite cost saving thing! SF is cheaper to maintain! Only this is a criminal economy on the country's defense! In the Pacific Ocean, the United States has a base in Hawaii, Okinawa and the island of Guam! And Moscow doesn't give a damn about that!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK

And Moscow doesn't give a damn about that!

What an intense stream of consciousness ... And it looks like the "one" is stuck on the keyboard.

[bayard]

Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK

If you raise all NATO aircraft in the event of a conflict, then the actions of the Federation Council will be completely paralyzed!

What is even easier to do with a base in Kamchatka.
The Pacific Fleet has neither surface, nor submarine, nor submarine forces sufficient to reliably cover a considerable part of the NSNF forces. And it won't be for a long time.
There are no conditions for proper maintenance of the Boreyev, which was shown by a training salvo from there along the Kola training ground.
And the supply of the Fleet forces there only by sea, and with logistics we still have those problems ...
In peacetime, it would still be back and forth, but in a THREATED period (and now it is just that), all forces of strategic nuclear forces must be under reliable protection, control and maintenance.
A pretty decent grouping of corvettes is being built for the Pacific Fleet, frigates are also being built ... But when will they be at the Pacific Fleet?
Now there is one combat-ready MAPL 971 pr. And almost one SSGN 949 project.
Diesel-electric submarines are few and they won't do the weather.
Meanwhile, in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, both the US MPS and Japan's NNSs freely manage ... And so far there is nothing to drive them.
In such a situation, it is better to withdraw all SSBNs to the Northern Fleet, leaving only MAPLs and SSGNs (they should leave after undergoing repairs and modernization). In this case, the United States will have less reason to graze there, and the MPSS / SSGNs will have their hands free for independent tasks. Yes, and the NNS too.
And as the fleet is rebuilt, naval aviation appears, the naval base is strengthened ... everything can be returned back.

Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK

in Moscow covering their ass and their capital, strengthening the SF!

To the bases of the Northern Fleet from Moscow is also far away. It's just that when you have a smaller fleet than Japan, but at the same time is divided into several loosely connected theaters ... you have to choose priorities.

But the Pacific Fleet will nevertheless be strengthened, because the capitalists have started a number of large Arctic projects, and it will be absolutely necessary to protect the sea traffic of tankers and gas carriers from the Arctic.
And by no means corvettes.
Well, what's the point of keeping Boreis in Kamchatka if it is impossible to maintain their combat capability there? After all, the salvo launch showed ... in short - precisely because of the abnormal behavior of the missiles during their flight to the Kola test site, NATO then played an anti-missile alarm. And it seems that only one of the 4 missiles hit the target normally.
Here are the conclusions.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK

Thank you, the United States has already sunk Kursk in the Barents Sea!

You're a Vlasovite! To dry your tongue from your "thanks usa"

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Be quiet, traitor of the people! Isa such as. The USSR collapsed! Promotions, vouchers are sold and spent on drink!

[Diverter]

Everything is lost! No money! Save on defenses !!!! Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo What's the question? Allocate funds and they will do everything as you please. You can not? So the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation can not do everything that it wants. Money does not pour from the sky. This is probably why they are somehow spinning and trying to save something. The Pacific Fleet is in complete decline and ideally needs to be recreated anew. Therefore, such decisions

[jonht]

So far these are not even plans, so projects without confirmation ...
And they won't tell us how it will actually be. Yes, and boats not on our shores hang out on duty, and earlier they often went from the Pacific Fleet to the KSF and back, and not only across the north.

[Puppeteer 111]

Just go to flot.com and kill yourself later in the comments

[Diverter]

My deep opinion is this: in the North there should be 6 Boreys and 2 Ash for each guard. The Pacific Fleet is similar: 6 Boreyev and 12 Ash trees to them. Those. on these fleets it is necessary to have 6 divisions with THREE cruisers in each. In addition, the staff of such a division must include 1 multipurpose ship - an ocean zone rescue tug.

[bonifacius]

Trishkin caftan.