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On the "skeletons in the closet" of the West

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On the "skeletons in the closet" of the West
Tank IS-2 of the 1st Czechoslovak Army Corps (Czechoslovak combined arms formation as part of the 4th Ukrainian Front of the Red Army) in the center of Prague. May 10, 1945


In the Czech Republic, they talk about "skeletons in the closet" that remained in stories after World War II. However, if their fellow citizens are immediately forgiven for cooperation with the Third Reich, then Russia is again an "empire of evil".

"Offended" Russia


Historian of the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes Jaromir Mrnka notesthat after the Second World War it was customary to tell mainly about heroic stories. But in modern times in the archives of various countries began to find "skeletons in the closet." In the Czech Republic, we are talking, first of all, about the support of the Reich and cooperation with the occupying fascist regime, about violence against the Germans after the end of the war, their extermination and expulsion. That is, in fact, ethnic cleansing took place in the Czech Republic. This was the revenge of the Czechs for the wrongs inflicted, which had been accumulating in society since the Munich Agreement.

In connection with attacks on the Soviet legacy (in particular, on the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague), with the Vrbetice case and the mutual expulsion of Russian and Czech diplomats, the "Russian question" in the Czech Republic took on a special acuteness. According to the Czech researcher, today's Russia has adopted many elements of the policies of tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union. Moscow allegedly claims the space of Central and Eastern Europe, which it received into its sphere of influence after the Great Patriotic War. The Russians are confident that they have liberated the peoples of Europe from fascism. And in Europe itself, they no longer think so.

The Russians point to the ingratitude of the Europeans. They are used to seeing themselves as “saviors” and seeing Russia as a world power equal to the United States. At the same time, Russians are completely indifferent to such moments of their history as the "Soviet occupation" of Eastern Europe. They keep silent about the "intervention" in Hungary in 1956, in Czechoslovakia in 1968, the suppression of protests in Poland, and so on.

Moreover, modern Russia seems to need enemies all the time. Moscow went further: "The element of fascism that appears in the conflict with Ukraine is very pronounced." Thus, at the level of meanings, Russia is put on a par with Hitler's Germany. The Russians are already on the "liberators", as in 1945, and the "occupiers", rapists "and" interventionists. Information preparation for a new crusade against the "Russian barbarians" is in full swing.

"Skeletons" of the West


Several generations have passed since the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, and Western Europe forgot about the terrible sacrifices of the Soviet people (the war claimed the lives of about 27 million of our compatriots, and the indirect losses are even higher). Moreover, today in the West and in the Russian liberal environment (which is much more monstrous) they put Hitler's Germany and the USSR, Nazism and communism on the same level, equate the winners with the vanquished, the aggressors with the victims. It comes to the point that the Soviet Union is already considered a greater threat to Europe than the Third Reich. Hitler is acquitted for his "preemptive" attack on Russia. And the USA and England are presented as the true saviors of mankind from the "red-brown plague".

Russians are drummed into the idea of ​​their civilizational and cultural "inferiority" and "inferiority", about their "criminal" past, about their "shameful" history and the need to "redeem" before the world democratic community. The West is shown as an "honest and noble" winner with an unblemished past. The USSR and modern Russia are held responsible for unleashing a world war. At the same time, the facts of the involvement of the Americans and the British in the outbreak of World War II are hushed up. They take this part of the story into the shadows to leave it there forever.

After all, it was the United States and England in the 1920s – 1930s that fostered and nourished Adolf Hitler and his misanthropic regime. They prepared Germany for a new big war, for a "crusade" to the East.

After the slave Treaty of Versailles in 1919, the Nazis simply could not restore a powerful economy, industry and a first-class army without outside help. Hitler received colossal assistance from outside - financial, economic, technical and political. The West allowed Berlin to break the bonds of Versailles, restore full-fledged armed forces and crush almost all of Europe.

Washington and London were generous: Hitler seemed like the perfect "battering ram" to crush Soviet civilization and the creative society, which became a real alternative to the Western slave-owning order. The United States and England, until the very end of the war, tried to use Hitler and his entourage for their own purposes. And they joined the ranks of irreconcilable fighters against Hitlerism only when they realized that the Third Reich was losing the war. That the Russians are capable of freeing the whole of Europe from the Nazis.

Only generous Western loans, technology and information support allowed Germany to regain its status as the leader of the economy of pre-war Europe. The Rhineland was returned to Hitler, Austria, the Czech Sudetenland, and then the whole of Czechoslovakia were "fed". The Nazis were allowed to crush Poland, which at that time dreamed of smashing and dismembering Russia together with Germany. They gave Northern Europe to the Germans and surrendered France almost without a fight.

Therefore, the Fuhrer, instead of finishing off England, which was reasonable and logical, opened a second front in the East and began a fatal war against the Russians. It is obvious that Hitler was completely confident in his rear that his former "sponsors" would not interfere in the war with Russia. They will allow him to calmly organize and carry out a "crusade" of the West against Russia.

This truth about the Great War is hidden in the West.

They are trying to take revenge from Russia-USSR in the information field, humiliate and denigrate our ancestors, make our people obedient and obedient to the West. Establish a "new world order" on the planet (slave-owning system, kneeling down before the new masters of the planet).
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 12 May 2021 05: 07
    +8
    preparations for a new crusade against the "Russian barbarians" are in full swing.
    For the umpteenth time! She is without stars, as without gingerbread! stop
    1. Finches
      Finches 12 May 2021 06: 54
      +30
      Europe, then a solid skeleton in a closet - not only a citadel of depravity and vice, where duplicity has been elevated to the rank of virtue since ancient times! Cutting out 40 thousand innocent people in the European "enlightened" capital overnight, they call Ivan the Terrible a bloody monster for the fact that he put 4 really guilty souls on a stake for 000 years of reign, then, in a fit of their civilization, they burn a million women ... And the Crusades, but at least it went to good use, the Arabs gave the Europeans a fork and mathematics, as well as the rules of hygiene, otherwise they did not wash in their castles for months and walked for themselves, but Russia, where the bath is weekly this is sacred, they called it barbaric ... But the most powerful blow to the mentality of Europeans was struck by the Reformation! Since then, they have white, this is black and vice versa - the Law (in the ass, this is human, but with a woman, it is unnatural)! We were never on our way with them! Russia is Europe, just a geographical concept and nothing more, their values ​​are unnatural for Orthodox Russia ... And our liberals should at least be forcibly treated in a psychiatric hospital - because they are really sick people, and especially stubborn ones should be sent to places that are not so remote - at least some of them will be of benefit to the country! And in Russia, as historically, from God it is established, there should not be any idiotic democracy of the Western persuasion, it does not work for us and will not work! Or the General Secretary (I like it better) or the absolute monarch! Because we are not a corporation like the USA, but an Empire!
      1. ANB
        ANB 12 May 2021 15: 16
        +9
        ... in the European "enlightened" capital of 40 thousand innocent people, they call Ivan the Terrible a bloody monster for the fact that he has 4 souls, really guilty, impaled over 000 years of rule,

        # is another. 40 thousand commoners, and Grozny shed blue blood.
        How can you compare that?
        Of course, a tyrant. Here is the English charter of liberties, everything is for people (nobles), and the rest are not really people.
        Kind of sarcasm, if that.
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 12 May 2021 18: 39
        -6
        The Reformation is about that other religions have the right to exist, with which the Catholics could not reconcile, about not washing, this is an old myth that they washed themselves quite regularly.
        1. Finches
          Finches 13 May 2021 19: 24
          +2
          So wash with them, since this is a myth laughing
        2. Alex_1973
          Alex_1973 13 May 2021 19: 31
          +6
          Kronos
          about not washed this is an old myth itself quite regularly washed.
          Well, of course, regularly, as much as twice in my life, well, some of them may be more often. Can you tell us about the purpose of wide-brimmed hats, high heels, perfumes and the purpose of hairpins, as well as boxes for lice.
          Perhaps I will answer myself.
          1. Wide-brimmed hats were intended to protect the head from impurities poured directly onto the head of passers-by.
          2. High heels made it possible not to stain your shoes too much with the same impurities that poured out directly into the narrow streets.
          3. Perfume was invented in order to fight off a bad smell from an unwashed body.
          4. Hairpins were used to scratch the head from lice under the wig.
          5. There were special boxes in which lice were caught, like mice in a mousetrap for a certain smell.

          And so yes, tse Europa is very "civilized", in Rome there are already several water pipes dating back to some year right before our era, and in old England there are still no mixers, water flows from two taps separately. Well this is so, the little things in life, of course ... wassat
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 13 May 2021 21: 04
            -2
            https://xn----7sbfxda1bemgjms0a5lh.xn--p1ai/index.php/stati/2699-razoblachenie-mifa-v-srednie-veka-ne-mylis
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 12 May 2021 08: 53
      0
      Czechs are good at any system, or rather they will tolerate everything, while they are a skillful and cheerful people. You have to fight for such friends.
      Ezhin with bazhin.

      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 12 May 2021 11: 02
        +7
        Quote: Bar1
        You have to fight for such friends.

        Such friends will sell first of all, the experience of Germany has shown that such friends should be captured and simply exploited.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 12 May 2021 12: 21
          +8
          Quote: qqqq
          Such friends will sell first of all, the experience of Germany has shown that such friends should be captured and simply exploited.


          the army of the GDR was the most efficient and loyal in the Warsaw Pact and the loss of a country like the GDR greatly weakened Russia.
          1. qQQQ
            qQQQ 12 May 2021 14: 42
            +4
            Quote: Bar1
            the army of the GDR was the most efficient and loyal in the Warsaw Pact and the loss of a country like the GDR greatly weakened Russia.

            There was no talk about the Germans, this self-sufficient nation knows how to fight against and be an ally.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 18: 51
              -3
              Quote: qqqq
              a self-sufficient nation can both fight against and be an ally.

              If she is so self-sufficient - why should she have allies?
              In general, all alliances are strong as long as the parties have a mutual benefit.
      2. Alanart
        Alanart 13 May 2021 02: 00
        +1
        Jozhin is Joseph. Swamps, well, we know which city we have even ends in -kva. What kind of Joseph from Moscow is this, guess, children, who is more important than prazhakiv :))
    3. Shkworen
      Shkworen 12 May 2021 09: 39
      +1
      the mice cried, injected, but continued to eat the cactus :)
    4. uralant
      uralant 29 May 2021 21: 45
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      She is without stars, as without gingerbread!

      What can you do, human memory that water oozes between fingers. Demands a shake-up. Obviously, there will be a new Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok, but only when a Russian soldier in Lisbon, in the waves of an Atlantic puddle, will wash his boots from their dust and dirt. Then there will be a real European Union. They force us to do this. Wellcome! We are waiting, sir!
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 12 May 2021 05: 26
    +15
    They are trying to take revenge from Russia-USSR in the information field, humiliate and denigrate our ancestors, make our people obedient and obedient to the West. Establish a "new world order" on the planet (slave-owning system, kneeling down before the new masters of the planet).
    The author, most of the films made about the war in modern Russia were apparently filmed at the behest of the West?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 12 May 2021 06: 15
      +13
      We ourselves are often our own enemies. You correctly noticed the pernicious influence of "culture", the Internet, corruption, carelessness and indifference. Corrupt modern and future generations. He destroys himself with his own hands, there is no need to nod to the West. He was always directed against us
      1. BAI
        BAI 12 May 2021 08: 55
        +15
        We ourselves are often our own enemies.

        And first of all, when the campaign to denigrate Stalin began. Yes, he is not without sin, or rather, not without many sins. But he is a key figure in the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany. Whether someone likes it or not, it’s true. And by bashing this cornerstone of Victory, we ourselves are biting not only Stalin, but also the Victory itself, i.e. we act against ourselves to please our enemies.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 09: 48
          -3
          Quote: BAI
          But he is a key figure in the victory of the USSR over Nazi Germany.

          I have always believed and still believe that the key figure is the Soviet people. And you are still sculpting the matrix that the war was only a duel duel between Stalin and Hitler with the allies' seconds.
          Quote: BAI
          Whether someone likes it or not, it’s true. And when we bite this cornerstone of Victory, we ourselves bite not only Stalin, but also the Victory itself.

          Because with us everything is brought to some kind of frenzied crescendo - the imposition of cults, the debunking of cults, the reanimation of cults. We cannot stand on the border of black and white and think, for us it is either absolute evil or gold leaf. Either a scoundrel or an idol without fear and reproach. Already, it seems, they have returned the people to the bosom of the church - but no, there are few anthropomorphic scarecrows for bowing, we need a different totem. The West does not even need to strain too much - we ourselves are re-washing our history. Slightly troll - "Here you have a speck, sir ..." And we throw ourselves up - "A speck ?? !! Yes, this is a patch! This is a topic for a plebiscite and a nationwide discussion !!" Because they know, scoundrels - there is no more preoccupied with their history and desire to change something in the past of the people than we are. Well, we have such a weakness, what can we do.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 13 May 2021 14: 38
            0
            verb truth
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 13 May 2021 17: 30
            +6
            Well, yes, the Soviet PEOPLE raised itself, formed, built industry and intensive agriculture, so that the country even withstood the loss of half of its population and economy under occupation. Before the war, he himself prepared the foundations and communications beyond the Urals for the future evacuation of factories to the east. And then he himself moved divisions and fronts, he himself decided what and how to release and to whom to give. What a people! He doesn't need guidance. He doesn't care whether the tsar, the liberals or the communists. Stalin and the VKP (b) have absolutely nothing to do with it. Would he have done it without him?
            1. Alex_1973
              Alex_1973 13 May 2021 19: 36
              +2
              meandr51 (Andrey)
              Well, yes, the Soviet PEOPLE itself was educated, formed, built industry and intensive agriculture, so that the country even withstood the loss of half of its population and economy under occupation.
              BRAVO...!!! hi I give a standing ovation, I myself have written about this more than once, but I have not received any significant counterarguments. However, there are no adequate opponents here for a long time, only the Olgovichs, Epitafievichs and other abomination.
        2. zenion
          zenion 12 May 2021 15: 08
          +4
          They are not enemies to them, but colleagues in capitalism.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 May 2021 06: 17
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      ..... The author, most of the films made about the war in modern Russia, apparently filmed at the behest of the West?
      in my opinion, Alexey, hi it's all filmed by real Western agents. Who else could do that?
      1. 210ox
        210ox 12 May 2021 06: 32
        +6
        These Western agents are citizens of our country. "Cultural elite" so to speak. And they brought up in our country. It turns out that upbringing, patriotism, we are not to hell. I will not talk about ideology at all. She is not from the word at all. No need to nod to the West, you need to sort out your house.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 12 May 2021 07: 07
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          These Western agents are citizens of our country. "Cultural elite" so to speak. And they brought up in our country. It turns out that upbringing, patriotism, we are not to hell. I will not talk about ideology at all. She is not from the word at all. No need to nod to the West, you need to sort out your house.

          Well yes, hi 30 years since the USSR was destroyed, if there were such people in the last years of the USSR, then it is clear that over 30 years there are more of them, they somehow support each other, form their own anti-Russian community ... and try, try, having decided what is profitable now ---- from whom what to get
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 12 May 2021 07: 17
          0
          These Western agents are citizens of our country. "Cultural elite" so to speak. And they brought up in our country. It turns out that upbringing, patriotism, we are not to hell. I will not talk about ideology at all. She is not from the word at all. No need to nod to the West, you need to sort out your house.

          And you just need to breach less. The union also collapsed because of this.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 12 May 2021 07: 55
            +4
            Well, I will "brehat" less. Will the level of upbringing, culture, quality of life improve from this? Will there be an ideology aimed at raising self-awareness, pride in the Motherland? The question is about what is happening in our society. And it hurts. Yesterday's tragedy in Kazan is an example of this. And our "elite, holey idols" are also to blame for this. Yes, and we ourselves, with our indifference to those around us.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 12 May 2021 09: 22
              +2
              Well, I will "brehat" less. Will the level of upbringing, culture, quality of life improve from this? Will there be an ideology aimed at raising self-awareness, pride in the Motherland? The question is about what is happening in our society. And it hurts. Yesterday's tragedy in Kazan is an example of this. And our "elite, holey idols" are also to blame for this. Yes, and we ourselves, with our indifference to those around us.

              Not you. Power.
              When people are held for idiots, there is no faith. They just endure, because they are afraid that it will be even worse.
              But there is no more faith. No.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 12 May 2021 09: 25
                +3
                I'm sorry hi Do not understand.
          2. tatra
            tatra 12 May 2021 08: 46
            +4
            Contrary to the cowardly anti-Soviet nonsense, countries do not fall apart of their own accord, people are falling apart. And those people who seized the USSR and divided it among themselves, themselves recognized this by their crimes against the country and the people, therefore they composed a bunch of anti-Soviet myths to justify the destruction of the USSR, including the Great Patriotic War about “not thanks to, but in spite of”, “the enemy they filled up with corpses “without Lend-Lease they would not have won.” They dumped all the Soviet citizens killed by the Nazis as “victims of Stalin”.
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 12 May 2021 09: 30
              -5
              Contrary to the cowardly anti-Soviet nonsense, countries do not fall apart of their own accord, people are falling apart. And those people who seized the USSR and divided it among themselves, themselves recognized this by their crimes against the country and the people, therefore they composed a bunch of anti-Soviet myths to justify the destruction of the USSR, including the Great Patriotic War about “not thanks to, but in spite of”, “the enemy they filled up with corpses “without Lend-Lease they would not have won.” They dumped all the Soviet citizens killed by the Nazis as “victims of Stalin”.

              There were myths. But there was also the truth. Revealed truth. Which was carefully hidden.
              Is the Kolpashevsky Yar also the work of the Nazis? Did you get to Obi? winked
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 12 May 2021 11: 09
                +1
                Why do you think that everything that happens in the state should be known to all its citizens?
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 12 May 2021 11: 16
                  0
                  Why do you think that everything that happens in the state should be known to all its citizens?

                  All - of course, everyone does not need.
                  But when they say one thing, think another, and do the third, problems begin.
                  You don't need to lie.
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 12 May 2021 11: 32
                    0
                    You don't need to lie.

                    But then there are two options - to be silent or to tell the truth.
                    If you tell the truth, you yourself admit that it is not always and everywhere necessary, then the choice for the states of the whole world remains small.
                    1. Tapatun
                      Tapatun 20 July 2021 14: 04
                      0
                      It seems to me there is one more option, not to do what would lead to two options. Not?
                      1. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 20 July 2021 14: 20
                        0
                        I limited myself to non-utopian options.
              2. Fitter65
                Fitter65 12 May 2021 12: 03
                +3
                Quote: Arzt
                There were myths. But there was also the truth. Revealed truth. Which was carefully hidden.
                Is the Kolpashevsky Yar also the work of the Nazis? Did you get to Obi?

                And what about the Kolpashevsky Yar?
                Shooting in the Koplashevsky Yar.
                The order and the act on the execution of the sentence against 14 people in the town of Kolpashevo [prison of the Narym district department of the NKVD) by the NSO ZSK USSR (now the Tomsk region, Russia) dated October 18, 1938, on the basis of the decision of the Troika of the NKVD on the NSO ZSK USSR.
                A source:
                Source: Archive of the FSB of Russia for the Novosibirsk Region, Fund 7/1, Case: "Protocols and acts on the enforcement of sentences based on the decision of the NKVD Troika for ZSK", sheet: 53-54.
                According to the Memorial Society, the total number of those buried in the Kolpashevsky Yar is about 4000 [
                About Memorial ...
                ... In 1990, at the request of the Tomsk and Novosibirsk "Memorials", the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office of the USSR opened a criminal case on the fact of desecration of the bodies of the dead. The investigation was conducted by the Military Prosecutor's Office of the Novosibirsk Military District. In 1992, the case was closed for lack of corpus delicti.
                We have no more questions.
                1. Doctor
                  Doctor 12 May 2021 12: 24
                  0
                  We have no more questions.

                  Exactly. I'm just talking about that.
                  We have no more questions - and we no longer have the USSR. wink
            2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 09: 53
              -3
              Quote: tatra
              Contrary to

              I do not understand ... Auntie, where is the traditional bogey # enemies of the Communists ???
              Are you alright? Or did the friends of the communists reprimand you for non-payment of dues?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 12 May 2021 12: 29
                0
                Bogey below, aunt without him is in no way impossible. laughing
                No, just enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe,
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 12: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Bogey below, aunt without him is in no way impossible.

                  Ah-ah, not all of the counter-Tatra moved! Sooner, began to be, the Mauser back to "Children's world" to carry.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 May 2021 12: 54
                    +1
                    And then! A complete set of equipment and weapons. laughing


                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 12 May 2021 18: 00
                      0
                      Where are the revolutionary red trousers? wassat
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 May 2021 18: 26
                        -1
                        In dry cleaning, they got dirty from the element of surprise of the intrigues of the enemies of world communism. request
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 12 May 2021 18: 34
                        0
                        Dry cleaning - intrigues of invaders and enemies! yes Only birch liquor and a river wassat !
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 12 May 2021 18: 40
                        +1
                        Even the communists are spoiled by the benefits of civilization, alas and ah. belay
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 12 May 2021 09: 22
      +2
      "Cultural elite" so to speak. And they brought up in our country. It turns out that upbringing, patriotism is not to hell with us. I will not talk about ideology at all. She is not from the word at all.

      If you analyze everything that is shown on television, it becomes very alarming. For example, the song contest "Come on, All Together" on Channel 2. There are 17 songs in the final, of which only 3 songs are in Russian. Spectator preferences are not taken into account, because the preferences of the people are completely different. A Tajik woman is sent to the intervision with a song about "fat Russian women".
      There is a massive brainwashing of the younger generation, like in Ukraine.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 11: 27
        +1
        Quote: glory1974
        becomes very anxious. For example, the song contest "Come on, All Together" on Channel 2.

        I watch the song contest
        Thought is beating anxiously in the crown of the head -
        For some reason there are no songs
        On the words of the program "Time".

        In the program about repair
        All Liberal Designs!
        Where is a cozy hut
        Hammer and sickle style?

        On the talk show here it is again
        The bones of a prostitute are being washed.
        And it's more important to me why
        Nails disappeared from the general store?

        etc. laughing
        TV is evil ...
  • knn54
    knn54 12 May 2021 08: 39
    +1
    Another "skeleton in the closet" is the lack of principle of the Anglo-Saxons, the "creators" of the Paris, Warsaw and especially the Prague uprisings, equally senseless and cynical.
    The practically unarmed Czechs and the ROA division (the "reinforced" punitive brigade of Kaminsky, shot by the Germans for atrocities during the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising) against the 900000 Army Group Center (1900 tanks, about 1000 aircraft and 9700 guns) under the command of (no doubt) a talented military leader Ferdinand Schörner.
  • BAI
    BAI 12 May 2021 08: 51
    +1
    apparently filmed at the behest of the West?

    In the fact that according to Western patterns - of course.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 12 May 2021 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: parusnik
    The author, most of the films made about the war in modern Russia were apparently filmed at the behest of the West?

    Judging by the content of these films, it turns out that - YES!
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 12 May 2021 05: 29
    -7
    There will be no information revenge of the West over Russia ... the State Duma and the Russian government finally began to understand that further concessions to them in this matter are fraught with consequences for themselves ... and our people are getting used to the methods of information war, gradually changing its course in their favor.
    The EU and the United States are concerned about Russian propaganda, this is the best assessment of the enemy ... the war continues and our outcome depends on our will to win.
    1. tatra
      tatra 12 May 2021 08: 52
      -1
      No, just the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe began to wage an information war against the Russian enemies of the communists, following the same template as the Russian enemies of the communists are waging their information war against the Soviet communists, and they involuntarily had to defend themselves and "snap back" ...
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 12 May 2021 09: 50
        -1
        Quote: tatra
        No, just the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe began to wage an information war against the Russian enemies of the communists

        You are just some mossy, hardened dogma! What are all your enemies around ?! Do you have any other disc besides this one? First of all, you are your own enemies. And the communists did not have more frenzied enemies than themselves. You seem to be an adult. Books, go, you know how to read .... Read the history of the USSR after 1945. Maybe there will come an awareness of the true reasons for the collapse of the USSR and the main destroyers of the country? Already sick of your demagogy about "enemies ..."
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 10: 12
          -1
          Quote: Hagen
          And the communists did not have more frenzied enemies than themselves.

          no-no-no, the skeletons in the Tatra aunt's closet are holy relics !!! Let her hands disperse hostile whirlwinds - in essence, she is harmless. Why try to reflash its chip?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 12 May 2021 12: 31
            -1
            Let him disperse hostile whirlwinds with his hands ...


            Vortexes are INNATE. fool
            1. tatra
              tatra 12 May 2021 14: 59
              -1
              And this is how all 30 years after the capture of the USSR by the enemies of the communists, who seriously imagined that you are more than the communists and their supporters worthy of owning the country. When you write about YOU, you rush to malice against the communists and their supporters, when you compare what YOU have done with what the communists and their supporters have done, you rush to malice against the communists and their supporters.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 12 May 2021 15: 10
                -3
                you rush to malice against the communists and their supporters


                , you rush to malice against the communists and their supporters.


                Do you always use a stencil, or from time to time? laughing
                You have a scanty set of words, and the language is poor, it is immediately obvious that you did not study in a Soviet school, or studied, but very mediocre. request
                1. tatra
                  tatra 12 May 2021 15: 14
                  +1
                  Well, here again, stupid, senseless malice. In the anomaly of mankind, the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR, the ideology and history of your country and people is malice AGAINST something or someone, and your cowardly whine that you yourself have nothing to do with what you did during the Soviet power, and after the capture of the USSR by you.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 12 May 2021 15: 17
                    -1
                    Here comes the stupid, senseless malice again


                    Relevant comments go to stupid statements.

                    ... it is malice AGAINST something ...


                    No, after all, not a stencil, but a carbon copy. hi
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      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 12 May 2021 14: 37
        +6
        It's just that when our country was scattered in all Western media, the Russian Foreign Ministry sat with its tongue in its ass, swallowing insults and another slander against their country one after another, looking with loving eyes at the so-called "Western partners", because the Kremlin towers gave the command- love and forgive everything ", like partners will come to their senses, everything will resolve and so on. And now it's too late, now Russia is already obosr ... on in the Western media from head to toe, the Western man in the street has already formed her image as an enemy, insidious villain, poisoner, eater of Western babies, and so on and so forth, required by "Western politicians and elites". Time has passed. Now that Russia has finally woken up, realizing that the "West" is an enemy with whom no compromises and agreements are possible, it has become too late - the image of an enemy from Russia has been formed and firmly established in the minds of the Western man in the street, and now he cannot be persuaded. Not to convince in any way. If from the very beginning Russia responded to any, even the slightest insult and lie addressed to itself, then everything would go on equal terms and the people around the world would see that Russia is confident in itself, in its truth and defends it in all instances. Now what? And now, after many years of tongues shoved up our ass, we started to give an answer like, it's already so late, now it is perceived throughout the European world as an inadequate reaction to the correct actions of the West (you were silent before, why did you start to get excited now? ).
        1. zenion
          zenion 12 May 2021 15: 17
          +3
          Russia cannot tell the truth about the entire Second World War. Under Stalin, they could, but they were silent, because they were allies. Now these are real allies and they will throw shit at Russia and the country will be silent. All the money of the Russian imperialists is kept, as in tsarist times, in non-Russia. Barked - 25% was gone, barked another 50% was gone. So you can stay without a yacht.
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 12 May 2021 18: 10
          +1
          Russia has already been covered in the Western media from head to toe, the western man in the street has already formed the image required by "Western politicians and elites" as an enemy, insidious villain, poisoner, eater of Western babies, and so on and so forth.
          A significant part of the Western population does not have the confidence of the media and their own government, and they have a positive opinion of Russia. They just laugh at the combat gas that kills cats (and even then not to death).
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      There will be no information revenge of the West over Russia ...

      Of course. But the skeleton specialist Samsonov will regularly go to the cashier for a fee after his next portion of expired yeast. The ultimate goal is nothing. Clickbait is everything.
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  • Old electrician
    Old electrician 12 May 2021 05: 38
    +10
    Since 1985, the state propaganda apparatus of the USSR / RF by all types of media (newspapers, magazines, TV, cinema, etc.) has been promoting the meanness and inferiority of both their country in general and its citizens in particular. Every year, directors of the Russian Federation compete which of them will produce a more dastardly film for Victory Day. It is enough to list such "masterpieces" as "The last battle of Major Pugachev", "Bastards", "4 days in May", "Penal battalion", etc. The same Samsonov with affection describes the life path of such punishers as Semyonov, Baron Ungern, Mamontov, etc., portraying them as heroic fighters against the bloody Bolsheviks who usurped power in the country, and then wonders why the West, after all this, considers him and all Russian creatures who poison cats in England and blow up warehouses all over Europe.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 12 May 2021 05: 49
      +6
      There is this ... in the new films about the Second World War, there is always an evil political instructor, a frostbitten special officer from the NKVD, an employee of SMERSH ... they are opposed by ordinary Red Army soldiers who suffered from Stalin's repressions ... a trick of liberal filmmakers ... they are stupidly and illiterately filmed to the point of disgrace.
      There are exceptions ... 28 Panfilovites ... In August 1944 ... excellent films.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 May 2021 06: 20
        +6
        Or suddenly there will be a traitor at the very top.
      2. north 2
        north 2 12 May 2021 07: 25
        +2
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        There is this ... in the new films about the Second World War, there is always an evil political instructor, a frostbitten special officer from the NKVD, an employee of SMERSH ... they are opposed by ordinary Red Army soldiers who suffered from Stalin's repressions ... a trick of liberal filmmakers ... they are stupidly and illiterately filmed to the point of disgrace.
        There are exceptions ... 28 Panfilovites ... In August 1944 ... excellent films.

        You are absolutely right! The liberation of the fifth column howled like jackals who did not eat, not only after the release of the film by Druzhinin and Shaliop "Panfilov's 28", but also after the release of Kopylov's film "The Bomb". In which Kurchatov, Beria and Vlasik are shown as extremely caring statesmen. But after the release of the series of films by Khrzhanov's "DAU", especially after the film "DAU. Natasha", liberalism simply shone with happiness, because there mud is poured on the great scientist Landau and his family, mud is poured on the entire Soviet academic science and on the Atomic Project guarding security agencies. And all this is still flavored with actually pornography. Look at the liberalists' reviews of the films "28 Panfilovs", "Bomb" and "DAU. Natasha". It's just like litmus tests to determine the fifth liberal column hostile to Russia. But at the Berlin Film Festival, Western Cinema stars did not spare Khrzhanovsky's film praise. There is only one conclusion: Russia should not be afraid of loneliness, defending and defending its moral, cultural, spiritual and historical values. The loneliness of the state is evidence of true independence.
        1. BAI
          BAI 12 May 2021 09: 01
          +4
          I read the memoirs of a journalist about the premiere of the TV series "Liberation" in 1968. (1968, not 1969). When Stalin appeared on the screen, it came as a shock to the audience (before that he was banned). The audience stood up and gave such a standing ovation that the screening of the film had to be interrupted.
      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        in new films about the Second World War, there is always an evil political instructor, frostbitten special officer from the NKVD

        differently. Here is Lt Weinstein from Ugolnikovskaya "Brest Fortress" - a sane special officer. Like his prototype Shiman Markusovich Shneiderman.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 12 May 2021 14: 13
          +4
          The film about the defense of the Bret Fortress made by Belarusians is one of the best films about the war.
      4. zenion
        zenion 12 May 2021 15: 19
        +1
        And each of them has a maxim machine gun in their hands. And they go behind the attackers and fire, and they only have time to refuel the ribbons.
      5. Siberian54
        Siberian54 17 May 2021 12: 52
        0
        For the entire film "28 Ponfilovtsy" never sounded "communist, party" although the political instructor is present .. So-so cartoon-agitation about victory in spite of
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2021 07: 45
      +4
      Quote: Old electrician
      Since 1985, the state propaganda apparatus of the USSR / RF by all types of media (newspapers, magazines, TV, cinema, etc.) has been promoting meanness and inferiority as their country

      even now, seemingly good films are coming out: "we are from the future" "I see the goal" ... however, not a single film shows the wild pace of the country's development, thanks to which the Soviet people believed in themselves. For the unfortunate 10 - 12 pre-war years, the country has turned into an industrial giant! It was a miracle, people remembered the tsarist era, remembered the horrors of the First World War and the Civil War ... they had something to compare with and they fought not only in Russian patriotism, they fought for the right to develop in this way, in the Soviet way!
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 May 2021 10: 34
      +4
      Quote: Old electrician
      The same Samsonov with affection describes the life path of such punishers as Semyonov, Baron Ungern, Mamontov, etc.,

      Because Samsonov is an anti-Soviet. Well, judging by the way he obliterates everything "Soviet" from the old Soviet "Agitator's Companions", retelling them in VO in his writings. He generally has a funny idea about Overton windows.
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor 12 May 2021 06: 14
    +2
    A quarter of the tanks that Germany used against the USSR on 22 July 1941 were Czech production. 35 (t) and 38 (t). Our people called them "Prague". To earn the gratitude of Goering, who oversaw the war production of the Reich, it was necessary to do a lot!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2021 07: 50
      +1
      Quote: andrewkor
      A quarter of the tanks that Germany used against the USSR on 22 July 1941 were Czech production. 35 (t) and 38 (t)

      we also supplied them with a lot of things .... the question raised by the article is ideological. And for the historical truth. Speaking about the capture of Europe by Stalin, they forget about the concentration camps and the ideology of the superiority of the Aryan race, which deprived the rest of the world of the right to exist!
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 12 May 2021 16: 51
        +3
        J.V. Stalin great divorced Hitler on the supply of hundreds of millions
        Reichsmark. Union - Germany grain and oil, which she quickly ate and burned, and machines and equipment came back, which then worked for Victory. Dozens of samples of aviation and armored vehicles, the most modern at that time.
        And yet, how long did the USSR-Germany treaty last? Two years. And the Czechs plowed for the Reich from 1938 to 1945. Do you feel the difference?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 12 May 2021 07: 46
    +13
    Another tub of "Samsonias".
    As long as individuals like the author participate in the information war on the part of Russia, as long as they have access to the information space, it will be played on all fronts.
    Russian propaganda, instead of opposing the enemy with equivalent methods, seizing the initiative and transferring actions to enemy territory, is limited to endless propaganda groans about "rewriting history" designed exclusively for domestic consumption.
    Here they like to rant about "Western agents", "liberals", "the fifth column", "stumps from Urengoy", "grant eaters" and their pernicious influence.
    And what prevents from having "Eastern agents" and a "fifth column" in Europe, what prevents to bring up "Hans from Kehl"? Or in Europe it is impossible to have their own "grant-eaters"? What is the problem?
    What's missing? Money, skills? Or maybe desires?
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 May 2021 08: 05
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      And what prevents from having "eastern agents" and a "fifth column" in Europe

      And then how will we differ from amers, liberals and so on? I agree with you that ours are not finalizing, but this is not the way to go ... I believe that it is necessary to develop those few elements of socialism that are still left, and add elements of statehood and planning to our economy with firing responsibility! There is experience! modern methods of control and accounting are available! It is only required to create conditions for internal development, to return the ideology of social significance of actions
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 17 May 2021 12: 56
        0
        \ aybolyt678 \ At one time, the drunk closed the program for free training of foreign military personnel, while the GDP was restored - the train left for the USA, Turkey ..
    2. north 2
      north 2 12 May 2021 08: 22
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      Another tub of "Samsonias".
      As long as individuals like the author participate in the information war on the part of Russia, as long as they have access to the information space, it will be played on all fronts.
      Russian propaganda, instead of opposing the enemy with equivalent methods, seizing the initiative and transferring actions to enemy territory, is limited to endless propaganda groans about "rewriting history" designed exclusively for domestic consumption.
      Here they like to rant about "Western agents", "liberals", "the fifth column", "stumps from Urengoy", "grant eaters" and their pernicious influence.
      And what prevents from having "Eastern agents" and a "fifth column" in Europe, what prevents to bring up "Hans from Kehl"? Or in Europe it is impossible to have their own "grant-eaters"? What is the problem?
      What's missing? Money, skills? Or maybe desires?

      and with what to go to Europe, with what ideology, so that there would be to get hold of their grant-eaters. After all, how can you explain such an ideology that every day Lenin's mausoleum adorns Red Square without disguise, as one of its main elements, but on May 9 during the Victory Parade, Lenin's mausoleum was disguised, although Lenin's mausoleum at the 1945 Victory Parade was the main element of Red Square, where the symbols of the defeat of fascism were thrown. This grant eater will simply suggest - either put on your pants, or take off your cross, so that I understand what you want from me and what you offer me.
    3. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 08: 40
      +3
      Quote: Undecim
      what prevents from having "Eastern agents" and a "fifth column" in Europe, what prevents to bring up "Hans from Kehl"? Or in Europe it is impossible to have their own "grant-eaters"?

      This is not called "Hans from Kehl" but "putinfernsteiners". And these are far from being anonymous on the Internet, but heads of state. In particular, recently the Czech President Zeman has been on the stage every day, who no longer even tries to hide his betrayal. Another thing is that it is not so well heard from inside Russia.

      So the enemies of Russia have a lot to do.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 12 May 2021 09: 01
        +3
        This is not called "Hans from Kehl" but "putinfernsteiners"

        This is a slightly different direction, as for me.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 09: 07
          +1
          Other. But much more meaningful, one must admit.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 12 May 2021 09: 24
            +3
            Much more meaningful, of course.
            Selfish interests - as here without careful comprehension.
    4. Snail N9
      Snail N9 12 May 2021 19: 45
      +3
      What is lacking is not so much money and skill as conscience and immense greed to fill your pocket. I see how ours and the Chinese operate in Africa and I understand why we are in the ass. Our types of effective entrepreneurs enter the African state from the back door - like we will give you dibs, but not as much to the state, but more to someone in their pockets, and we will take half of them for ourselves, and for this business we will organize some kind of project to divert our eyes ... And then it stretches, bagpipes - millions-billions go to an African country under some long-term or unprofitable project (but a sawn one) And the Chinese come in from the front door - officially loans to the state, but not for any reason, but only for those projects that the Chinese themselves will carry out, and only the Chinese and no one else, and they do it quickly and efficiently.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 May 2021 13: 30
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        And then it drags on, bagpipes - millions-billions go to the African country under some kind of long-term construction

        Has nothing changed since Soviet times?
  • Molot1979
    Molot1979 12 May 2021 08: 09
    -3
    Former Nazi suckers are simply translating arrows.
  • Slavutich
    Slavutich 12 May 2021 08: 31
    -1
    Yes, what is what is
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 08: 41
    +1
    Something lazy Mr. Samsonov. Sluggishly throws, without a spark.
  • BAI
    BAI 12 May 2021 08: 49
    +1
    At the same time, Russians are completely indifferent to such moments of their history as the "Soviet occupation" of Eastern Europe. They are silent about the "intervention" in Hungary in 1956, in Czechoslovakia in 1968, the suppression of demonstrations in Poland, and so on.

    Those. as a fact that does not require proof, they present the idea that the Russians themselves recognize the "occupation" of Europe. And they don't even remember about the "annexation" of the Baltic states. It is now quite obvious to them.
    That's right, Putin for the first time in history said at the Parade that the USSR fought fascism alone. I was not carrying the main burden, but alone. The answer should be tough and at least the same.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 09: 06
      0
      Quote: BAI
      That's right, Putin for the first time in history said at the Parade that the USSR alone fought against fascism

      It is rarely possible to support the Tsar, so I will not miss the opportunity.

      Well done Vladimir Vladimirovich! To spit in the face of a hypocritical scum is always beautiful.
  • tatra
    tatra 12 May 2021 09: 02
    -1
    Thanks to Gorbachev, the republics of the USSR and the countries of Eastern Europe were captured by the mental accomplices of Hitler and the Nazis. What does this slander against the USSR mean in relation to World War II and the Great Patriotic War? And this is their justification for the crimes of Hitler, the Nazis from European countries, who unleashed World War II, who attacked the USSR, justification of the crimes of Hitler's accomplices and Nazis from among the citizens of the USSR.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 12 May 2021 09: 03
    +4
    After the slave Treaty of Versailles in 1919, the Nazis simply could not restore a powerful economy, industry and a first-class army without outside help. Hitler received colossal assistance from outside - financial, economic, technical and political. The West allowed Berlin to break the bonds of Versailles, restore full-fledged armed forces and crush almost all of Europe.
    Another portion of lies and half-truths from the conspiratorial and ignorant Samsonov ...
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 May 2021 16: 03
      0
      It's all true, the United States, England and France fed Hitler, read the book of the participant in the events of W. Churchill "World War II" ed. London, 1948.
      "Under the fruitful influence of American and British loans, Germany's recovery proceeded very quickly. Her trade expanded at an incredible speed, and the country's internal well-being increased."
      "To launch the economy, the German government immediately issued an international loan of 800 million gold marks, and then issued long-term (20-30 years) loans for the purpose of macroeconomic modernization. ... American loans accounted for 2/3 of the main capital of German industry, and long-term loans received by German corporations reached 12 billion Reichsmarks ... The total amount of foreign investments in 1924-1929 reached 21 billion gold marks, which is twice the amount of payments for reparations. "
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 15 May 2021 17: 57
        0
        And where is Hitler? You should have looked over the years. before writing this ... As well as what is there and how with loans, reparations, subsidiaries and further on the list ... hi
  • smaug78
    smaug78 12 May 2021 09: 09
    0
    Quote: andrewkor
    A quarter of the tanks that Germany used against the USSR on 22 July 1941 were Czech production. 35 (t) and 38 (t).

    How many tanks did the Germans get as trophies? And after the capture of Czechoslovakia, it makes no sense to accuse the Czechs of producing weapons ...
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 12 May 2021 09: 39
      -1
      And after the capture of Czechoslovakia, it makes no sense to accuse the Czechs of producing weapons ...

      The point is that in the Czech Republic they did not fight against the Fritzes. They raised their paws and handed over the entire military-industrial complex to the Nazis, where they worked in good faith throughout the war. Therefore, they are legally considered Hitler's accomplices.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 12 May 2021 11: 35
        0
        The point is that in the Czech Republic they did not fight against the Fritzes. They raised their paws and transferred the entire military-industrial complex to the Nazis, where they worked in good faith throughout the war.
        They raised their paws, so they were obviously the weakest, especially after the betrayal of the AIF. You, too, would work conscientiously at gunpoint.
        Therefore, they are legally considered Hitler's accomplices.
        Samsonov and other stupid hurray propagandists.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 12 May 2021 13: 56
          +2
          Raised their paws, they were so obviously the weakest,

          Ha ha! Here it is, a complete justification of betrayal and conformism. Only our border outposts did not raise their paws against the obviously strong enemy. This is the difference between us and the Czechs. And everyone in Europe knows and understands this difference. Therefore, they are trying to rewrite history.
          You, too, would work conscientiously at gunpoint.

          Of course, it's stupid to argue with this, although there was a resistance movement, and instead of gunpowder, sand was poured into the shells and harmed in a different way. There was such a thing in history, but not among the Czechs.
          1. smaug78
            smaug78 12 May 2021 17: 00
            +1
            Only our border outposts did not raise their paws against the obviously strong enemy. This is the difference between us and the Czechs.
            Dear, you would have learned some history before writing nonsense ...
            PS In general, I suggest that you take up the refutation of the Soviet historiography of the Second World War and I. V. Stalin.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 May 2021 09: 28
    -1
    The Russians are confident that they have liberated the peoples of Europe from fascism. And in Europe itself, they no longer think so.
    And this statement is true. All of Europe was permeated with fascism, and Hitler's Germany was their ally and overlord. Therefore, the correct interpretation will not be "the liberation of Europe", but also, like the Third Reich, "the defeat and destruction of fascism."
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 May 2021 15: 52
      +1
      It is true that in the 30s, fascist dictators ruled Europe: Salazar, Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Petén, Pavelic, Antonescu, Horthy, Quisling, etc. The Red Army liberated Europe from the fascist regimes that hoped to get land and slaves in the USSR, of course, not all Europeans rejoiced in freedom and democracy, having lost hope of taking part in the division of the USSR.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 12 May 2021 09: 47
    +6
    Once again there is a simplification in the spirit of political studies in Lenin's room. Who built everything for us? I mean the transfer of technology, the construction of factories, including the military (turnkey), the creation of entire industries from scratch, personnel training, training of workers, engineers? Germany, USA, Great Britain, Italy ..... T-26 tank (Great Britain -Vickers), BT - (Christie USA), 45 pt gun (Germany ATO 37 mm), Diajabelement - Italy, torpedo boats, destroyer leaders, etc. .d. Tens of thousands of highly qualified personnel from Germany, America worked and very fruitfully for us .... Well, we didn’t have anything of our own, everything was hopelessly outdated, there were no personnel, and then once everything appeared ?!
    The thesis that Hitler had a secure rear in 1941 simply does not hold up to scrutiny. Well, the Angles did not have any opportunity to land in Europe either in 41 or 43. No troops, no corresponding equipment. Due to the limitations of our navy, we do not understand the colossal battle for the Atlantic, which was fought in 40-43 by England, the USA and Germany. Yes, our contribution was decisive, yes, our losses were enormous, but the allies were dragging away large resources of the Hans.
    One should not be like the bearers of "ideology" who themselves did not believe in it and could not oppose anything to jeans and chewing gum. The world is much more complex and multifaceted.
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 12 May 2021 11: 42
      -1
      Well, the Angles did not have any opportunity to land in Europe either in 41 or 43.

      And in the 40?
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 12 May 2021 12: 13
        +1
        Yeah, there was an opportunity, just the opposite - Dunkirk was called.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: Petrik66
      Well, the Angles did not have any opportunity to land in Europe either in 41 or 43. No troops, no relevant equipment

      Actually, I will surprise you. They not only landed, but also fought, and more than cheerfully. Ace of the West of the entire WWII N1, M. Pattle, died on April 20, 41.

      Over Greece.

      So the very idea of ​​a "second front" is purely Soviet.
      1. Oleg ratay
        Oleg ratay 12 May 2021 12: 41
        -1
        Because the war over Greece was not of the same scale and was much less dangerous for Germany than the landing in France in 44. Although, all the same, the scale of hostilities on the Eastern Front was greater.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 14: 45
          +1
          In April 41, the scale of hostilities on the Eastern Front was more or less non-existent. Yes, when Hitler opened not the 2nd, but the 4th, rather, the front with the USSR - for some time the USSR distracted a lot of attention.
      2. Petrik66
        Petrik66 12 May 2021 15: 10
        0
        Do not confuse soft with warm. Disembarkation in the ports of allied Greece and disembarkation on an unequipped coast occupied by evil comrades with a cannon and a machine gun.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 19: 00
          +1
          Excuse me, but why land "on an unequipped coast"? This was the wish of Comrade. Stalin. And the Allies fought in various other places, diverting a very serious percentage of the Reich's efforts to themselves. In aviation, already in 42, the Eastern Front gave less than half, in terms of the fleet, it’s ridiculous to talk about it.
          This is in addition to various other influences. Containment of Turkey, containment of Spain, etc.
    3. aakvit
      aakvit 12 May 2021 14: 11
      +2
      Something they had until 1944 on land ANYTHING did not work, except for Sicily, and there - the mafia! And you can't win a world war by sea battles, can you? Therefore, there is no need for the BIG contribution of the allies to the Victory! To come to a nodding analysis and shout about your victory is a favorite tactic of provocateurs, to which, I think, all Anglo-Saxons and their fosterlings should be included! am
      1. aakvit
        aakvit 12 May 2021 14: 14
        +1
        I will add: the USA and England consider the commander of the Afrika Korps Erwin Rommel to be the greatest German military commander of WWII, right? And what great thing did he do? Only that with SMALL forces wiped out the superior forces of the Anglo-Saxons in Africa! Great commander! Or did he have stupid opponents? fool request
        1. Tapatun
          Tapatun 20 July 2021 14: 14
          0
          >> Or did he have stupid opponents?
          Rather yes. Of the warriors were the British and the Australians. Rommel wrote that the best fighters were the Australians.
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 12 May 2021 14: 40
        0
        Quote: aakvit
        on land, NOTHING worked, except for Sicily, and there - the mafia!

        Mafia, not mafia, but one of the three Axis countries was taken out of the war, as it were. By the way, about nothing, the losses of the German side in Tunisia are comparable to those of Stalingrad.
        Quote: aakvit
        Come to a nodding analysis, and shout about your victory

        Yeah. Therefore, if the USSR were not allowed to accept surrender, it would be funny.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 12 May 2021 12: 44
    0
    Quote: A vile skeptic
    Well, the Angles did not have any opportunity to land in Europe either in 41 or 43.

    And in the 40?

    And at 40 they were evacuated from the continent ...
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 May 2021 12: 45
    -1
    1968 Czechs were not allowed into democracy. Now the democrats are allowing unsubstantiated attacks on Russia for any reason.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 14 May 2021 15: 44
      0
      In 1968, the USSR, in accordance with the Yalta Agreements, suppressed the fascist rebellion in Czechoslovakia. Czechoslovakia was a member of the Warsaw Pact Organization and any anti-Soviet actions were a betrayal of its international obligations. The fascist rebellion was crushed not only by Soviet troops, but also by the troops of other ATS countries, including the army of the GDR, and there was no smell of democracy in Prague in 1968, ordinary fascism.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 May 2021 12: 48
    +2
    It is ridiculous to read articles where it is indicated that the West wants to enslave today's Russia. The author, give up Western foreign cars, do not use the products of Russian companies owned by TNK, throw out the Turkish vacuum cleaner and buy a German one. laughing , do not visit chain stores owned by foreign companies. Do not watch American films, TV shows bought from them and remade for the Russian version. And ask the president not to hang boards to those who took part directly in the blockade of Leningrad, that they would not open, but then the museums were closed by the Vlasovs, so that a person who erected a monument to a person who collaborated with the Nazis would be brought to criminal responsibility on his territory. Only one thing worries, you will give up everything that you have indicated, with what you will be left with. Again, will you go to the West? Good people, we ourselves are not local, give as much as you can. Krch, sit on the floor and people will reach out to you. smile
    1. aakvit
      aakvit 12 May 2021 14: 17
      -2
      Everything that is good is only THERE ?! This is how ROA and KONR appear!
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 13 May 2021 12: 07
        +2
        [b
        ] This is how ROA and KONR appear!
        [/ b] They appeared in 1991 and strengthened their position in 1993, and the ROA flag is developing over the Kremlin.
    2. zenion
      zenion 12 May 2021 15: 36
      0
      Daniil Konovalenko. And 1918 and the intervention against the newly born USSR are not funny to you. That so all the capitalists were drawn to seize the whole country. 1942 Battle of Stalingrad. Oil for the Red Army came from the Caucasus. Stalin knew that the British were preparing to bomb the Caucasus and the oil fields, as if so that the Germans would not capture them if Stalingrad fell. But oil was transported not along the Volga, but by rail along the Volga. The Germans could not get through the Volga, and in Stalingrad they were tightly held by the balls. And there was already a plan to bomb the Caucasus and leave the Red Army without fuel. And this plan has been around since 1918.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 13 May 2021 12: 05
        +2
        And tell me, where in my commentary, even a word about the newly born USSR? In my opinion, new Russia has long been seized by foreign capitalists, with the permission of the Russians, and together they are taking the country apart.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 12 May 2021 15: 00
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    The Russians are confident that they have liberated the peoples of Europe from fascism. And in Europe itself, they no longer think so.

    In Europe, they think the opposite.
    "West is West, East is East,
    they will never meet "©
    Tobacco is tobacco.
    And Zhukov also said:
  • zenion
    zenion 12 May 2021 15: 01
    -1
    In the middle of 1950, he bought a book by a Czech colonel, chief of counterintelligence in Czechoslovakia, before the seizure of the country and trade about it between the Germans and the British. The book was named after Operation Crystal Jug. So Hitler was promised that no one, including the United States, would be against the fact that Hitler would take all of Czechoslovakia completely. Hitler was afraid that the USSR would intervene, but he was told that this would not happen, they had already agreed with everyone and the USSR would not be able to come to the rescue. I don’t remember everything, but it remained in my head. My father said that these Englishmen, in England, in the United States, are so mean that they will make money on their own. Stalin knew about this and since Hitler was pushed to power, the USSR was preparing to rebuff.
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 12 May 2021 19: 30
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    This, of course, Samsonov, but here he is right about the role of the West in the outbreak of war by Hitler.
  • demo
    demo 12 May 2021 20: 08
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    Until we realize the obvious fact - the citizens of the EU, within its current borders and we, the citizens of the former USSR, are completely different, in terms of civilizational development, people, until that moment we will be surprised to learn all the "new and new facts" about ourselves ...
    And those who fawned and kissed yesterday, today show a pig's snout and a dog's grin.
    I highly recommend listening to the lectures of Sergei Savelievna.
    Personally, I, for myself, discovered so many new and interesting things that the veil just fell off my eyes.
    And he clearly, reasonably, and most importantly - professionally puts everything on the shelves.
    He - a doctor of sciences, professor, author of many books on the "structure" of the human brain can be trusted.
    And he simply and easily explains why the Europeans are so "tolerant", so law-abiding, but at the same time so beast-like (one king of Belgium, with millions killed in Kenya, is worth remembering).
    And everything falls into place.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 13 May 2021 17: 37
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      What difference does it make if we are different or the same? The only question is military and political power. Who is stronger, and lie under the one. If now they see that the Russian Federation is stronger, then they will instantly start working for it ...
      1. demo
        demo 13 May 2021 18: 35
        -1
        What's the difference?
        Why can't men understand women? Why is there a problem - "fathers and children"?
        Why don't we Russians understand the Chinese? Why do Europeans unanimously declare that Russia is the heir to the USSR, with all that it implies? And 1000 more why.
        The problem is in the brains.
        What is unacceptable for us is the norm for a European.
        You don't have to go far for an example - Afghanistan.
        The Soviet Union, despite the fact that it fought with the Mujahideen, built hospitals, schools, roads, factories.
        And the Americans? And before them - the British?
        The same British carried out an act of intimidation - the execution of the leaders of the sepoy uprising. A barbaric method was invented - they tied to the muzzles of cannons.
        And our closer example is the execution of Nazi accomplices. Stalin was categorically against the execution. Execution by hanging. Those. no blood was spilled.
        And on the territory of the former Russia, the Moscow principality, the Russian Empire, the fires of the Inquisition did not burn. 60-70% of the population of one principality was not destroyed by the troops of another.
        But in Europe it was exactly like that. And not once, not twice. And for almost 1000 years in a row.
        Remained, as cultivated, the most vile, the most resourceful, the most unprincipled, selling their own in order to survive.
        For some reason I did not come across essays about German soldiers who closed bunkers with their bodies. Or aiming their burning planes at the columns of Soviet tanks.
        And even when the war was on German soil.
        The Hitler Youth is an exception and a deviation from the norm. Children have not yet matured to the essence of adult thinking characteristic of the representatives of their nation.

        Although there is truth in your words. Which simply confirms the correctness of my (more precisely - Saveliev) thoughts.
        Just to clarify again:
        Even if Russia has an overly successful government, over a worthy president, over a happy people, and over a powerful army, with an overly efficient economy (it's a huge deal, try to do everything! A hundred years won't be enough!), And then the Europeans will be strangers to us , and they will be ungrateful to us.
        The brain will not change in a hundred years. The transformation of the brain of Europeans has been going on for over 1000 years. And human - almost 4 million.
        Therefore, we, despite the fact that we are weaker, but more resourceful, managed to destroy and eat the Neanderthals.
  • ck9999999
    ck9999999 12 May 2021 22: 12
    0
    Traditions are strong ... "French" balcony with a curved lattice (to push the hollow out) is specially cultivated in "enlightened" Europe.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 13 May 2021 17: 35
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    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: tatra
    No, just the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe began to wage an information war against the Russian enemies of the communists

    You are just some mossy, hardened dogma! What are all your enemies around ?! Do you have any other disc besides this one? First of all, you are your own enemies. And the communists did not have more frenzied enemies than themselves. You seem to be an adult. Books, go, you know how to read .... Read the history of the USSR after 1945. Maybe there will come an awareness of the true reasons for the collapse of the USSR and the main destroyers of the country? Already sick of your demagogy about "enemies ..."


    Well, yes, the Soviet communists always dreamed of bombing Voronezh, but the friends of the Russian, Indian and Vietnamese peoples, the Americans, would not let them! You have a good training manual, funny. I like...
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 14 May 2021 15: 11
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    According to the Yalta Agreement, the allies of the anti-Hitler coalition defined zones of occupation in the countries of the Hitlerite military bloc. Soviet troops were in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania and the GDR legally to prevent the revival of Nazism. Fascist revolts in Hungary and Czechoslovakia were suppressed too gently and the unfinished Nazis, Hitler's comrades-in-arms, imagined themselves entitled to demand the withdrawal of Soviet troops. These Hitler's shortcomings took the humanism of the USSR for weakness, henceforth science to the Kremlin, the enemy must be crushed so that he is afraid to even blather.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 25 May 2021 12: 45
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    Every fourth sample of Wehrmacht weapons was produced at Czech factories. Under Heydrich, a kind of socialist competition in production was even organized in the country, and bonuses were paid to the "foremost workers" of production. Therefore, he was liquidated by the British and possibly together with some representatives of the top leadership of the Nazis. He took too much power and became too independent.
  • Altmann
    Altmann 22 July 2021 12: 21
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    My professor told me one important thing. There was no denazification in Czechoslovakia, we will have problems. 1968 came and there were problems, 1989 came and there are problems. I don't know where people like Grzhiba, Novotny and others came from, but they are here and poison the air, we all know this, we are ashamed to remove the statue of Koneva, but we are afraid to speak. That's right, we are afraid, because we will lose the outputs of the bloodless capitalist "revolution" - this is our Czech problem.
    Vrbetice. If there are such incompetent secret agents in Russia, if this is true of Vrbetits in this case, their immediate superior should shoot himself, because he is stupid, like his agents. Smart people go to these events.