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When will Timur and his team be judged?

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Having studied carefully and with passion the list of school literature recommended for reading, I was bewildered. Probably, it will surprise someone, but it coincides by 90% with the list that I had in the Soviet school.


It is unbelievable, but true: for 30 years of Russian reality, no children's literature has appeared in such volumes that one could talk about it seriously. An exclusively Soviet legacy, regrettable as it may seem.

All the same Tolstoy, Prishvin, Kuprin, Rybakov, Volkov, Nosov, Oseeva, Barto, Zakhoder and so on.

Why is it regrettable?

But because times and people were somewhat different than today. More precisely, completely different. That is why I was especially interested in the story "Timur and his team". Of course, besides her there is something to think about, but Gaidar's story is something. This is a story that initiated a whole movement. Unregistered, but no less effective.

When will Timur and his team be judged?

Judge for yourself, while you have not really begun to judge.

What did the guys from Timur Garayev's team do in the book? Providing targeted assistance to residents of the dacha village, whose relatives served in the Red Army and fighting hooligans.

On the one hand, our any government bodies welcome when any work is done instead of them. So if today such Timurovites suddenly showed up, on whom the duties of social workers could be hung, this would cause a storm of applause.

However, in Timur's team, there was an organization with a frankly pronounced hierarchy, a ladder of subordination, and so on. This, you know, is deeply thought-provoking. It is clear that today there is no need to carry water, chop wood ... Well, yes, chopping wood is still a topic of the process. At our rate of gasification, it will be relevant in a hundred years.

Another question is that where there is no gas today, there have been no candidates for the Timurovites since the day before yesterday.

However, today we have independence in organizations ... is not welcomed. Because today it seems for all the good, but tomorrow? And tomorrow there may be options. With a bias towards all sorts of foreign agents and other traitors. Freethinking, as practice shows, is one step away from dissent, and this has never been welcomed even in very democratic countries.

And literature is often the same guardian of the foundations, like everything else. Children's literature in particular. As in our case.

A beautiful story about beautiful children. But in our time, understanding what happened in the forties of the last century looks fantastic. And from the point of view of modern legislation, and in general, the horror is dark.

Have you found out whose relatives are serving in the army?
Article 137 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Privacy Violation

Climbed into the territory of the summer cottage without permission and piled firewood?
Article 330 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Arbitrariness. Not 139, but wow too.

Captured at night Kvakin's hooligans, who robbed the gardens and locked up in the booth until morning?
Article 127 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Unlawful imprisonment.

Moreover, in our times, and the resonance could be oh-ho-ho what. They are children, well, what if they took a dozen apples ... Although, yes, at the station. 330 (Arbitrariness) pulls, but no one canceled the hooligan (Article 213).

By the way, Zhenya is also good. Climbed into someone else's house and settled there on vacation.
Article 139 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Violation of the inviolability of the home.

Timur Garayev, in order to help Zhenya see his father, broke into the garage of his uncle Georgy Garayev, stole his motorcycle, and took Zhenya to Moscow, having neither a license, nor documents for a motorcycle, nor insurance.
Here from st. 158 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation to a bunch of articles of the APC and SDA.

And if you take the sequel, the story "Timur's Oath", there is generally a well-functioning organization operating there, with an "office" on the Aleksandrovs' site. Local residents can only file applications and complain to Timur about the lack of efficiency. Even the former hooligans were put in charge.

In general, Arkady Petrovich Gaidar wrote three stories about what real Soviet children should, in theory, strive for. Be proactive, be able to plan and calculate, nobly and (most importantly) selflessly help those who need this help.

Looks funny, doesn't it? Or is it still dangerous?

How much initiative and thinking young people are needed by today's state? They are needed, but only if they are controlled. But our state does not know how to do this. Captivate and control. That is why the dinosaurs became extinct, like the dinosaurs such as "Young Russia", "Ours", and the "Young Guard of United Russia" also turned into a budget-eating swamp ...

Of course, those who sit at the "top" of these movements, they have a perspective and a meaning of being. But ordinary members need to be attracted and enthralled with something. Modern Timurs do not quite succeed in this, but it does not work at all. There is no point in such movements, so they are dying out.

Arkady Gaidar, with the hands and words of the literary hero Timur Garayev, proposed the Deed. Honest, correct and noble. And completely devoid of any commercialism. Today everything that Timur's guys did looks absolutely ridiculous. In the world of information communities, terrorism and pandemics, this is fantastic.

Timur and his team had a place in a completely different country, with different foundations. With other people. Nowadays, they have no place in the heads of children, simply because everything drawn by Gaidar looks unreal.

And it's not just Gaidar. Nosov, Dragunsky, Oseeva - they painted a completely different world. A world in which everything is different. A world in which you can swim in the river without the sanction of the Federal Sanitary and Epidemiological Service. Where pioneers with counselors made fires without the installation documents of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and so on.

I'll tell you more. Do you know what needs to be observed so that children can swim in water bodies? Here is information taken from the Rospotrebnadzor website.

In organizations for the recreation of children and their recovery in the presence of a water body and the organization of bathing, the requirements of the legislation of the Russian Federation must be observed. The use of an open water body for bathing children is allowed only if there is a document confirming its compliance with sanitary rules that impose hygienic requirements for the protection of surface waters and (or) impose sanitary and epidemiological requirements for the protection of coastal waters from pollution in places of water use by the population.

In the organization of children's recreation and their recovery, the following is provided:
- availability of a sanitary and epidemiological conclusion for a water body intended for bathing;
- act of diving survey of the bottom of an open reservoir;
- a rescue post at the bathing site, including rescue equipment (lifebuoys, life jackets, support vests, Aleksandrov's ends, buoys for marking the boundaries of the beach water area, communication equipment, etc.), stands with information on safe behavior on the water, information about the water temperature , air, a diagram of the beach, depths and places where diving into the water is prohibited, towers or other structures that provide visual observation of the entire water area of ​​the beach, a flag with a red cross to indicate the location of a medical worker;
- the presence in the staff of a certified rescuer (s) or an agreement with the relevant organization; - - instructions and orders for employees on actions in cases of an emergency on the water and on the immediate transfer of information about an emergency to the territorial subdivision of the EMERCOM of Russia;
- instructions on the rules for bathing and dipping children;
- training logs;
- in the case of mass events at a water body, it is necessary to coordinate with local authorities and territorial subdivisions of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia in accordance with the established procedure.


I don’t want to quote about anti-terrorist and fire-prevention measures. And so everything is clear.

And the heroes of Nosov and Dragunsky just walked and swam, fished. Gathered mushrooms. Bonfires were burned. They baked potatoes in them, what the hell are kebabs? The potato, the same black one, with a charcoal crust, with salt from a pocket, dug out on the nearest collective farm field.

Remember the Soviets? Infused?

Well, how can we write in all these "Rosnadzors"?

No way. There is simply no place for them in that life, just as there is no place for Timur, Geika, Kolya and everyone else in modern life.

The question arises: why are there, to put it mildly, works that do not correspond to the time in the school curriculum? Moreover, who teach, to put it mildly, not quite according to the letter of the law?

The question, of course, is still ...

I asked it to a sensible person, an honored Teacher of Russia. The answer killed. You see, it turns out that in order to change something in the school curriculum for literature, one must have a remarkable character and separate parts of the body made of 440C steel, no less. Because no one is going to change anything.

Nonsense ensues. In literature lessons Timur and his team, Denis Korablev, Dinka, Lyonka and so on. And on the Internet you know what. And in the cinema "Tanks"," Zoya "," Devyatayev "and other obscenities.

Moral and ethical dissonance.

And what is most interesting, modern schoolchildren understand this perfectly. I confess that I just recently wrote an essay based on Timur and his team. They asked to help a 13-year-old lady, interfered with reading the covid, they were sick with the family for a long time and hard. I didn't have time, in short. And who, if not a Russian journalist of Soviet ferment, can help?

They wrote. 5/5. But in the process of writing there were a lot of questions, since we really went through "Timur" at an accelerated pace. Indeed, today, at the age of 13, it is not entirely clear how it is possible to get into someone else's house and stay there for the night. Even with the help of a dog. Well, everything else on the list, especially a motorcycle theft, even from a relative.

In general, the 13-year-old citizen of the Russian Federation had an opinion about the work as a frivolous fairy tale "Like about Denis Korablev." It is very difficult in our time to accept and understand the world in which people communicate using the telegraph. In which there are no mobile phones, the Internet, navigators and other modern conveniences.

And there is some kind of real fabulous impunity in actions. And from here there is a dissonance in the heads of children. And this is very bad, they perfectly understand that ... No, they do not want to deceive them. They just tell a beautiful tale about honest, correct and kind children, which has nothing to do with reality.

And the fabulousness of "Timur and his team", as well as other works of eighty years ago, can even play a cruel joke with the works.

Of course, I am sure (not really) that we will not see bonfires from books, as it was in some countries of advanced democracies (in fact, also not, the list is known), we usually did it easier and calmer. They will simply withdraw and banned.

And it will be very disappointing, but quite objectively. Why do we need fairy tales that confuse young people, try to instill in them qualities that are not that harmful, they are often dangerous in our time?

On the one hand, I really would not like to be a prophet, on the other, our president once again speaks about the need to fight the scribes stories and slanderers, and yet another libel appears on the screens, which has nothing to do with reality ...

Probably, the point here is which of the versions of history should be taken for the version that should remain unchanged. In one, the heroes of old books can still serve as an example for children. In the second, it is doubtful.
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  1. Fitter65
    Fitter65 10 May 2021 05: 03
    +10
    In literature lessons, Timur and his team, Denis Korablev, Dinka, Lyonka and so on. And on the Internet you know what. And in the movies "Tanks", "Zoya", "Devyatayev" and other obscenities.
    Here it is difficult to disagree with Roman. well, the only thing to add to the list of obscenities is such a "work" "Podolsk students" ...
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 May 2021 05: 17
      +55
      Roman, rewrite those books taking into account modern realities and laws, what problems! So the "fairy tale about the dead princess and the seven heroes" can be banned because of the cohabitation of seven adult men in the same family! Sodomy smells like! Yes, and corpses! Maybe books should be perceived as reading, and not as instructions for action? Otherwise, then in general it will be necessary to ban all world literature! !!
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 10 May 2021 05: 30
        +27
        Quote: Thrifty
        Otherwise, then in general it will be necessary to ban all world literature! !!

        And so in fact they are forbidden.
        And I'm not talking about the neighboring country of "victorious dignity and independence."
        Why is there literature, they are already striving to ban mathematics, because not everyone can master it, and this is discrimination.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 10 May 2021 14: 10
          -4
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Why is there literature, they are already striving to ban mathematics, because not everyone can master it, and this is discrimination.

          An example is it possible? Documented ...
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 10 May 2021 14: 19
            +9
            Yes, please, I didn’t come up with it myself.

            Fox News: "Algebra is racism!" - American schools want to change the teaching of mathematics.

            The Oregon Department of Education is encouraging teachers to enroll in courses to promote so-called ethnomathematics. Ethnomathematics. These are not our inventions. As this course teaches, focusing on finding the right solution to mathematical examples is a manifestation of the idea of ​​white supremacy. Algebra is racism!

            Original news InoTV:
            https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2021-02-21/Fox-News-Algebra
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 10 May 2021 14: 28
              -2
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              Fox News ...

              The media, of course, is still a "document". According to them, in the United States, a quarter of the school's graduates cannot read in English .... Although, in essence, if the article is about our country, what is the point in discussing the problem of education in the West? From the collapse of their education there is no harm but benefit. In any case, I'm not worried about them.
              1. Alf
                Alf 10 May 2021 14: 43
                +8
                Quote: Hagen
                Although, in essence, if the article is about our country, what is the point in discussing the problem of education in the West?

                30 years of experience in building freedom and democracy in Russia suggests that everything that is there today will be implemented in Russia tomorrow ...
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 10 May 2021 16: 16
                  -4
                  Quote: Alf
                  everything that is there today in Russia is implemented tomorrow ...

                  Not a fact at all ... Not even near.
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 11 May 2021 08: 30
                  -3
                  Change your avatar, expert.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 11 May 2021 18: 58
                    +3
                    Quote: EvilLion
                    Change your avatar, expert.

                    If you were smart, you would have a discussion with you, but so ...
                3. Andron59
                  Andron59 23 May 2021 16: 14
                  0
                  I completely agree. Russia is "lagging behind" by 30-40 years in this matter.
          2. aba
            aba 26 May 2021 14: 20
            0
            Listen to Gref! It is only necessary to take into account that he does not express his thoughts about education, he was appointed a talking head. I have already spoken about children and their education more than once.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 10 May 2021 05: 35
        +18
        Quote: Thrifty
        books should be taken as reading

        That is, they, the books, should not teach light, kind, eternal? And why read and delve into the meaning of the book, when you can, at best, listen, because there are already many audiobooks, well, or just watch a "film" shot in the footsteps of based on real events. "Devyatayev" is a fresh example ...
        1. Far B
          Far B 10 May 2021 06: 09
          +41
          So Gaidar and other Soviet writers just wrote in order to teach reasonable, kind, eternal. In particular, initiative and independence. And with the current state policy, which is entirely infantile nurture, what to teach? How to cut the loot? So with this problem - the right places are already taken by the kids of those who are needed. So there is no alternative to Gaidar at the moment. Although, in principle, why not? You can go to the literature of the 17-18 centuries, one heck of feudalism, we confidently walk, that our pants are already cracking.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 10 May 2021 06: 58
            -5
            Quote: Dalny V
            And with the current state policy, which is entirely infantile nurture, what to teach? How to cut the loot?

            You've got something wrong with the logic.
            Quote: Dalny V
            So there is no alternative to Gaidar at the moment.

            The alternative is now YouTube, Zen, Instagram and other tiktoks. Welcome to today.
            1. Far B
              Far B 10 May 2021 07: 09
              +26
              I have an order with logic. Literature is being discussed, isn't it? When the subject "YouTube-tiktok" is introduced at school, then it will be possible to talk about them
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 10 May 2021 07: 48
                -20%
                Quote: Dalny V
                I have an order with logic.

                No, not order. Infantiles do not cut the loot. Infantiles write comments on the Internet about how infantiles saw the loot.
                Quote: Dalny V
                Literature is being discussed, isn't it? When the subject "YouTube-tiktok" is introduced at school, then it will be possible to talk about them

                You touched upon a broader area than literature. And yet, today literature is not only what is printed on paper. Welcome to the 21st century. Otherwise, you can remember about clay with some bamboo planks and birch bark.
                1. Far B
                  Far B 10 May 2021 07: 52
                  +17
                  Just the loot is sawed by infantiles, since they are honestly unable to earn it.
                  And you can poke your wife. Or between the wall and the bed, here for an amateur.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 10 May 2021 08: 07
                    -20%
                    Quote: Dalny V
                    Just the loot is sawed by infantiles, since they are honestly unable to earn it.

                    Clear. You didn't even bother to find out the meaning of the word - infantile. Good luck with your self-education.
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 10 May 2021 08: 11
                    +1
                    Probably different people. With different personalities and different life experiences. It's just that once the line is crossed. And there is usually no return.
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 10 May 2021 11: 49
                      +18
                      All Soviet literature, one way or another, now fully falls under the extremist ... any calls for justice are extremism.
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 10 May 2021 18: 11
                        +3
                        Not. This is overkill.

                        “But forever and ever
                        And at all times
                        Coward, traitor
                        We always despise ”(c).
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 11 May 2021 08: 31
              -3
              Before them there was a bench at the entrance \ zavalinka, beer and seeds. Even earlier, kvass and nuts.
          2. saigon
            saigon 10 May 2021 07: 05
            +8
            We are not stepping towards feudalism - the feud is a self-sufficient organizational and economic structure capable of living and acting independently.
            At the head of the feud is a military leader or a leader, which also does not correspond with our realities. In our country, I don’t know what to call it, just not a return to feudalism - the local princes are not independent from the word at all, they have no authority on their territories (at most ), there are no local armed forces capable of defensive offensive actions.
            That is, there is no way not to defend your fief or rob a neighbor.
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 10 May 2021 08: 22
              +15
              Quote: saigon
              feud is a self-sufficient organizational and economic structure

              Is Chechnya not a feud? And Kadyrov is not a feudal lord?
              1. saigon
                saigon 10 May 2021 12: 51
                +2
                He was not a feudal lord, because talking about the self-sufficiency of Chechnya is slyness, without federal help they do not pull.
            2. Smirnov Mikhail
              Smirnov Mikhail 10 May 2021 16: 52
              +3
              This phenomenon is thousands of years old. It is called oriental despotism (not for political, but for organizational and economic order). Only this is already machine oriental despotism, where even the peasants have ceased to be self-sufficient. This is the only novelty. Everything else was in Rome after Orientalization, in China, and elsewhere ..
          3. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 10 May 2021 08: 00
            +24
            Quote: Dalny V
            there is no alternative to Gaidar for now

            And how to perceive the Malchish-Kibalchish NOW? There is no Red Army, some bourgeois everywhere! Everyone forgot about the Boy ...
            I remembered an anecdote: Airplanes do not fly, steamers do not buzz with greetings to the Boy ... Only sometimes Bad, kind soul, will jump on a Mersey, bring food, but talk about the past!
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 10 May 2021 08: 59
              -1
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              How NOW

              The "new" social system requires new heroes. The media (books, paintings, newspapers, plays, movies, games, etc.) form the worldview that the owners of these media need.

              Someone here said that no one is fulfilling the Constitution. Roman's article is a clear example of this - performed! All articles of the law given in the article do not go beyond the framework of the current Constitution. In order to change the Criminal Code, it is necessary to change the Basic Law, beyond which all subsequent laws and regulations governing our life do not go, but before that it is necessary to change the social system, which must be changed in an evolutionary way and not as revolutionary, lowering the state by at least 20 years into the past ...
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 10 May 2021 12: 06
                +6
                Quote: Boris55
                The "new" social order requires new heroes

                Forgot the Boy, his grave is overgrown, the pioneers do not come ... Sometimes Bad guy will drive in on a Mersey, fix the grave, bring flowers ... He will sympathize: - "But there was a chance, there was" ...
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 10 May 2021 13: 08
              +5
              hi Good afternoon, Vladimir!
              ..... for 30 years, no children's literature has appeared ...
              so after all, no literature, no films, no songs. I heard the preschool songs of my childhood on the kids' players. There are, after all, pioneer songs. I also listened to them even before school, I wanted to be a pioneer.
              Probably, a large number of foreign films and cartoons have appeared. Is it good? Then surprise at the words of young people about Russia. Alien culture has been invested since childhood ...
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 10 May 2021 13: 26
                +5
                Hello Dima ! hi Cartoons about heroes, Masha and the Gray Wolf .... But they forgot how to make films, actors - to play, "singers" and "singers" - to sing! There is nothing to sing, and the re-singing of old songs traumatizes my ear .... You yourself described everything correctly.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 10 May 2021 13: 34
                  +3
                  You, Vladimir, remembered the big cartoons. Falling by chance on children's channels, I see mostly foreign stylized ones. Short cartoons --- mostly foreign, in my opinion.? Or visit someone - all foreign children are watching on TV
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 10 May 2021 14: 09
                    +4
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    mostly foreign stylized

                    Which are scary to look at!
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 10 May 2021 14: 26
                      +5
                      Quote: Uncle Lee
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      mostly foreign stylized

                      Which are scary to look at!

                      Yes, scary! am And this is very bad, because there little men do not look like little men --- senseless, sexless, pop-eyed @ & parents! And their colors are not the same ... The concepts of beauty are shifting. From Mayakovsky I understood the crumb --- what is good and what is bad! !! Will the present ones understand or how?
                      And Tom and Jerry --- teach children to sympathize with pests and rejoice in the suffering of cats trying to rid us of them!
                      1. LTMax
                        LTMax 11 May 2021 12: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Yes, scary! And this is very bad, because there little men do not look like little men --- senseless, sexless, pop-eyed @ & parents!


                        You haven't seen a cartoon about the adventures of poop yet ...
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 11 May 2021 13: 18
                        0
                        Yes, I know about this cartoon. It was on the network, but did not look, disgusting. True, many parents protested, like ...
                        There is also "cow and chicken" ----- no good .. serial. for the brainless, in my opinion.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 May 2021 14: 14
                +8
                I have what else. Remember, there were Roman articles about buried Italians. Somehow, by itself, it turned out a poem about another Italian. Not on the topic of the article, for which I apologize.
                THEY WALKED TO THE EAST.
                I lie under the houses. I am forgotten. I am killed.
                I am trampled underfoot. My heart is silent.
                My heart is not beating, but my mind has rebelled
                It was that in the last century, I now realized.

                I remembered the instructions of the Duce, how they went to war.
                How they dreamed of overthrowing, tearing apart that Country.
                And that country is huge --- there are fields and taiga,
                There are sea expanses and lakes on the shores.

                There are dams and hydroelectric power stations, where wires are buzzing.
                There are gardens and villages, there is always wealth!
                I dreamed of returning, to be rich in full.
                A young wife will show me the child ...
                ..........................................................

                I died in Stalingrad. He did not die, but died.
                We were sent here to feed fleas,
                To be eaten by rats, hunger or diarrhea.
                How lucky for those who surrendered! After all, captivity is not a churchyard!

                I say to descendants --- try to understand:
                The Russian warrior will break you, remembering your mother !!!
                1. 2ez
                  2ez 11 May 2021 12: 19
                  0
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iOi4gj7PLI
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 10 May 2021 09: 44
          +21
          Quote: Dalny V
          So there is no alternative to Gaidar at the moment. Although, in principle, why not? You can go to the literature of the 17-18 centuries, one hell of a step to feudalism

          And this question needs to be asked to Putin - what kind of literature should children be taught? Well, so that they grow up as patriots. After all, the king offered patriotism is considered a national idea in Russia... The truth did not bother to explain the basis - on what, in fact, should this Putin's patriotism be based?

          What literature? What slogans? What are the current literary heroes and real heroes (of capitalist labor)? What successes do young people need to be proud of for their country? Maybe economic success? Or an opportunity to brilliantly self-actualize - social elevators that don't work? Or high (average and minimum) wages, which will be paid to a young person who has started his career?

          So it turns out that you can only be proud of the achievements of your ancestors, to whom the king himself has nothing to do. Well, according to him, they did nothing but galoshes.
          1. Far B
            Far B 10 May 2021 09: 50
            +19
            What for? He again slips some kind of long nonsense, then it turns out that in essence he didn’t say anything. He is a great specialist for such garbage.
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 11 May 2021 10: 45
            +3
            They are all such "figures" there - either they intend to fight unemployment through robotization, or import substitution will be trampled by themselves through the "number". In the conditions of "patriotism" of export oil and gas pipes and Spanish villas, there is no place for Timur Garayev in such conditions.
        3. parma
          parma 10 May 2021 12: 13
          +6
          Quote: Far In
          So Gaidar and other Soviet writers just wrote in order to teach reasonable, kind, eternal. In particular, initiative and independence. And with the current state policy, which is entirely infantile nurture, what to teach? How to cut the loot? So with this problem - the right places are already taken by the kids of those who are needed. So there is no alternative to Gaidar at the moment. Although, in principle, why not? You can go to the literature of the 17-18 centuries, one heck of feudalism, we confidently walk, that our pants are already cracking.

          Something tells me that these books from the list of references are not read by either the employees of the ministry that it claims, nor by the students ... it was supposed to be, then there will be a list .. geniuses from propaganda in our country cannot even enter television (drank some dough and cheat views) and movies (drank and laundered money), and you are talking about something complicated ..
          And even if I'm wrong, and millions of people read these books, even if they all say "we don't live right" at once and take to the streets, these same movies and boxes will either not be shown at all or will be called extremists, traitors and will be condemned for a million years behind closed doors....
        4. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 10 May 2021 13: 13
          +7
          And with the current state policy, which is entirely infantile nurture, what to teach?

          You just, for the sake of it, do not think that this is all due to stupidity and misunderstanding. Everything according to the case, everything is done and planned with the mind and with a definite purpose.
          The current government is essentially occupational, not native.
          Based on this postulate, all her "incomprehensible actions" become very understandable.
          All the semblance of "patriotism" is created deliberately so that we cannot understand the true insides of the "patriots" in our pocket.
        5. ZAV69
          ZAV69 11 May 2021 21: 10
          -1
          Quote: Dalny V
          You can go to the literature of the 17th and 18th centuries, one hell of a feudalism, we confidently walk, that our pants are cracking.

          Well, let's say "Ivanhoe" and "Three Musketeers" are now relevant
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 10 May 2021 06: 51
        -15%
        Quote: Fitter65
        That is, they, the books, should not teach light, kind, eternal?

        Books don't owe anything to anyone. But if the book does not correspond to the realities of today, it often turns out to be unnecessary. Just impractical.
        Quote: Fitter65
        And why read and delve into the meaning of the book,

        Well, maybe because there is some sense in it? And sometimes it's useful.
        1. Far B
          Far B 10 May 2021 07: 14
          +21
          Fuck. Then into the furnace all the fiction, all the historical literature, and a lot of other things, right? It's impractical! It does not correspond to reality. Here your logic, as I see it, is reinforced concrete. Can not argue.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 10 May 2021 08: 00
            -16%
            Quote: Dalny V
            Fuck. Then into the furnace all the fantasy, all the historical literature, and a lot of other things, right?

            No.
            Quote: Dalny V
            Here your logic, as I see it, is reinforced concrete. Can not argue.

            Well, to argue, it is desirable to think. And you have a problem with that. First, think carefully about what I wrote, and maybe you will no longer need to write any nonsense.
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 10 May 2021 13: 19
              +8
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              First, think carefully about what I wrote

              How funny you are, however, a writer. People should even think about your writing.
              It should be simpler. And then the people will reach out to you
          2. Korsar4
            Korsar4 10 May 2021 08: 13
            +1
            In general, literature from other eras. And any fiction about the war will fall into this category.
          3. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 10 May 2021 23: 21
            +2
            Quote: Far In
            Fuck. Then into the furnace all the fantasy, all the historical literature, and a lot of other things, right? ...... b.
            Do you see how science fiction has changed in comparison with the former Soviet one? However, the western one too. If before it was scientific, now it is anti-scientific — even disgusting to remember. It's one thing to read fantasy sometimes, but TV shows are endless. .... negative
            1. LTMax
              LTMax 11 May 2021 12: 18
              +1
              Quote: Reptiloid
              If before it was scientific, now it is anti-scientific — even disgusting to remember.


              No, well, now sometimes quite good things come across. But in general, yes, from, let's say, the science part, modern fiction is increasingly slipping into an action movie.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 11 May 2021 13: 21
                0
                Which scientific do you like? I'm tired of hoping and haven't started new topics for a long time ...
                1. LTMax
                  LTMax 11 May 2021 14: 18
                  +1
                  Dmitry, but somehow I don't even remember the modern scientific one. However, one should not be surprised - most modern books are adaptations of comics (manga, anime, etc) or computer games. As, in fact, and cinema. The consumer wants "action" ... Remember how in the old movie - "The audience needs secrets, investigations ... And boobs !!!!" (from). Hmm. However, even in this heap of brain waste, there are some good things. Not often, I agree. I was personally hooked by the series "Taimyr" by Vadim Denisov - well, I am a northerner and I love the Russian North). But by the way, the author is very good, and his series "Strategy", although it is a literary adaptation of "Civilization", is quite readable. Well, a great thing "Antistalker", where he pretty much walked through the games laughing
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 11 May 2021 14: 25
                    0
                    Of the last century ---- I love and orient myself hi but the fantasy does not go somehow.
                    I will think over your words.
                    But having come here, at VO, I became more interested in our country and read, accordingly laughing
    2. Bastinda
      Bastinda 10 May 2021 07: 11
      +22
      "A new version of Pushkin's" The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda "was published in Armavir, in which the" priest "was replaced by the" merchant. "
      "The censored reprint is the restoration of historical justice, since Pushkin was a believer and could not ridicule the church," said Father Pavel, priest of the Armavir Holy Trinity Cathedral.
      “Once upon a time there was a merchant Kuzma Ostolop
      Nicknamed the Aspen Lob. "
      1. Grif
        Grif 10 May 2021 08: 01
        +13
        Couldn't make fun of the church? I could very well. In all Russian fairy tales, the pop is a negative character.
        1. didra
          didra 10 May 2021 11: 48
          +4
          This is a very simplified understanding. Although this does not negate the fact that the pop editor is really a "thick forehead".
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 10 May 2021 08: 04
        -2
        If not fake, then powerful. Almost like Faust. Goethe. But here is what the ruling class can take offense at. Some Potanin's promissory notes.
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 10 May 2021 08: 22
        +11
        Quote: Bastinda
        A new version of Pushkin's "The Tale of the Priest and His Worker Balda" was published in Armavir, in which the "priest" was replaced by the "merchant". The author of the idea of ​​the reprint is Father Pavel, a priest of the city's Holy Trinity Cathedral, reports Live Kuban.

        Did you ask the author for consent? ))))
        A.S. Pushkin and the tsar ridiculed (the tale "The Golden Cockerel") and sinned a lot! So one did not interfere with the other!
        Well, in Ukraine, they published a book by N.V. Gogol's "Taras Bulba" without its famous ending
        “What have you taken, devilish Poles? Do you think there is anything in the world that a Cossack would be afraid of? Wait, the time will come, the time will come, you will learn what the Russian Orthodox faith is! Even now, distant and near peoples sense: their tsar is rising from the Russian land, and there will be no power in the world that would not submit to him! "

        Moreover, "scientific disputes are conducting" Did Gogol write such a thing? "
      4. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 10 May 2021 22: 15
        0
        Well, a complete ambush! So everyone wants to restore historical justice in their own way. laughing lol
        Previously, European scribes made their own adjustments to the Bible. But then, as if in the 11th century at the Council, it was banned. request
        I read that first, in the GOLDEN FISH, Pushkin wrote about the dreams of an old woman --- to be the Pope. ...
    3. knn54
      knn54 10 May 2021 07: 16
      +11
      Roman.TODAY is a plus.
      Now their "five cents".
      Regarding the interesting remark of Lean, I somehow talked with a literary critic who studied the work of the Brothers Grimm.
      They drew almost all the subjects of their works from folk art of the early Middle Ages. According to him, even an adult's hair will stand on end from the "primary sources". Not to mention children.
      About Gaidar. Almost the only author of that era, in whose works there is not a word about Stalin.
      And it was not forbidden.
      Why is there no Panteleev. But besides "Republic SHKID" he has a lot of wonderful stories. There is also Vladislav Krapivin.
      And finally, read the aphorisms of Saltykov-Shchedrin.
      And you will understand why (at one time) the governor, in my opinion, of the Yaroslavl region demanded to remove the writer from the school curriculum.
      Parallels, you know.
      PS The modern interpretation of the cartoon about the three heroes is watched with pleasure by both adults and children.
      But this is, alas, a pleasant exception.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 10 May 2021 08: 14
        +9
        Quote: knn54
        About Gaidar. Almost the only author of that era, in whose works there is not a word about Stalin.
        And it was not forbidden.
        Why is there no Panteleev. But besides "Republic SHKID" he has a lot of wonderful stories. There is also Vladislav Krapivin.

        Yes, even remember the books about the pioneer heroes! There is not a word about them anywhere in the program. Is the Youngest Son Street a bad book? But in K ... there is a street named after him. And ask the guys in which city? What is his last name? ... Y-yes ... but we are still celebrating Victory Day! If only the children were advised to read for the holiday!
        Roman - wrote everything perfectly! ++++++++++ THANKS !!!
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 10 May 2021 08: 38
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          Is it a bad book "Street of the youngest son"?

          Pioneer heroes, this is already a "post-war". 10 years have passed since Gaidar's Timur. A different era, one might say.
          This book was written by Lev Kassil in 1949 and even managed to receive the Stalin Prize for it, since he showed the leading and guiding role of the Party - Dubinin did not act independently, but as part of a partisan detachment. Much attention was paid to this fact. And the film was released in 1962. hi
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 10 May 2021 08: 15
        +1
        But, for example, “Alyosha Popovich with Yuliy the Horse” is clearly passed over the braces. But, in my opinion, quite talented.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 10 May 2021 09: 13
          0
          Quote: Korsar4
          “Alyosha Popovich with Yuliy the Horse” is clearly being passed over the braces.

          I wonder who the horse symbolizes in these cartoons? Could you tell?
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 10 May 2021 09: 55
            +5
            I don't know, to be honest. I'll think about it.
            But how the piggy bank turns out to be behind the icon is clearly a cruel mockery.
          2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
            Andrey Krasnoyarsky 10 May 2021 13: 26
            0
            I will give you a hint. Internet commentators.
      3. Van 16
        Van 16 10 May 2021 11: 24
        +8
        The books of Gaidar, Panteleev, Krapivin, and many other Soviet writers are wonderful. As mentioned above, they teach good and eternal things. But at the same time they enter into sharp dissonance with our today's reality. So maybe something is wrong with our reality? ..
    4. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 May 2021 08: 09
      0
      Who are especially rabid: hobbits with orcs, characters from Game of Thrones?

      He presented an exemplary book. It would be impossible to read.
    5. 1536
      1536 10 May 2021 08: 11
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Roman, rewrite those books taking into account modern realities and laws, what problems! So the "fairy tale about the dead princess and the seven heroes" can be banned because of the cohabitation of seven adult men in the same family! Sodomy smells like! Yes, and corpses! Maybe books should be perceived as reading, and not as instructions for action? Otherwise, then in general it will be necessary to ban all world literature! !!

      Better "Cinderella" ... There is some fairy helping a poor hard-working girl to become a princess. Who is this fairy? A rich bum, a kind of "mamik" - according to today's concepts? This discourages young people, directs them not to the path of labor and adversity in order to achieve something, but a simple way to achieve well-being by having such a "mapik".
      But by and large I agree with the author: today's youth should not be given abstract concepts of good and evil, honor and conscience, and even taken from the events of the distant past, but a concrete, fact-confirmed description of the events and actions of people, and it is important that this were their contemporaries and their time. Give as short and clear as the same A. Gaidar did.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 10 May 2021 08: 22
        +3
        Quote: 1536
        as the same A. Gaidar did it.

        Dontsova, Marinina or what?
        1. 1536
          1536 10 May 2021 08: 37
          +3
          Unfortunately, I have not read the authors indicated by you, dear! (Unless, I watched some TV films based on their novels). But, as far as I understand, we are talking about young people of an earlier school age. And on the covers of the books of the ladies you mentioned is the age of 16+ (as recommended by our Rospotrebnadzor). At the age of 16, excuse me, a certain A.P. Golikov was already in command of the regiment. Although, perhaps, this is also a legend. A legend, but surprisingly introduced to the masses at an early age: oh, a miracle (!), It turns out that even at the age of 16 you can take responsibility for performing some actions for which you have to be responsible, and for which you will not be ashamed after, say, 30 years later.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 10 May 2021 08: 44
            +6
            Quote: 1536
            do not read

            You have not lost anything .... Reading ... I tried out of boredom, and the attempt rejected desire forever.
            And who will read Nosov's "Cucumbers"? Nobody and nobody and never .... Unfortunately.
            1. 1536
              1536 10 May 2021 08: 56
              +1
              You should not be so, dear, that's just about the Nosov cucumbers today as relevant as ever. Why? Very simple. Summer is coming, many children will go out of town to visit their grandparents. Agree, this tradition has not yet been eradicated from Soviet times. And those who just go to the dacha with their parents should know what could be for the theft of cucumbers from the beds located behind a high fence in a neighboring area.
              And it is necessary to read the works of N. Nosov. Moreover, he was born in the city of Kiev and is a Russian writer in the full sense of the word.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 10 May 2021 09: 01
                +6
                Read what you need! But no one will do this! Other times and priorities. Honesty and decency has become an atavism ...
                1. 1536
                  1536 10 May 2021 09: 16
                  +2
                  To end our exchange of views with you, dear, I will quote from the Primer of 1637 by Vasily Burtsov as follows:
                  "The rod will raise the mind, the memory awakens
                  And pretends evil will for good:
                  Teaches the Lord God Xia to pray
                  And go to church early to the service.
                  Kiss the rod, kiss the whip and rod,
                  That essence is innocent, do not curse those
                  And hands, even you impose ulcers,
                  For it is not evil to you, but they wish good ... "


                  God forbid me to urge someone to flog with rods today, and even more so to tell children what punishment awaits them if they study poorly, but in an age when thousands of "qualified psychologists" and teachers are graduating from universities today, it is ridiculous to talk about that it is difficult to force a child to read N. Nosov's story "Cucumbers". Although, perhaps, you are right and "not everything is all right in the Danish kingdom", and today children should be taught to learn from their mistakes, and not from others. It's just a pity for the children. In the end, they can ruin themselves, if decency and honesty are considered "atavism". Ignorance of the laws does not absolve from responsibility for their violation ...
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 10 May 2021 09: 20
                    +4
                    Quote: 1536
                    you need to learn to learn from your mistakes

                    In China I saw our film "Cucumbers" .... The Chinese took the best from the USSR and taught, taught, taught ...
            2. Korsar4
              Korsar4 10 May 2021 09: 58
              +2
              Why? There will be. Nosov is one of the reference books. And not only "Dunno"
          2. ver_
            ver_ 11 May 2021 06: 46
            -2
            ..the question - to live or not to live, Stalin decided Golikov .. For his deeds, when the blood of the murdered inhabitants in the river turned red and his commanders did not like it very much .. The leader issued a verdict - let him live - his books are useful .. Scum they are needed, like killers ..
    6. lucul
      lucul 10 May 2021 08: 57
      +3
      Roman, rewrite those books taking into account modern realities and laws, what are the problems!

      I watched the film Luther 2003 (about Martin Luther) a long time ago. He made a great impression on me then. So why am I, in this film, Luther was secretly supported by one of the representatives of the national elite of Germany, it so happened that they both wanted a Bible translated into German, and the Vatican forbade it, only in Latin. And if not for the help of a representative of the national elite of Germany - Luther would never have been able to translate the Bible into German - the Vatican would have burned him at the stake for this.
      Why am I - in the USSR, the state was interested in the development of a person's personality, albeit not comprehensively (but in the direction necessary for the communists), therefore writers like Gaidar appeared, and from the 80s-90s we were convinced that everything by itself it turns out that the "invisible hand" of the market will rule everything (yeah, whaZ), so everything is left to chance, the state and everyone hopes that the talents will show themselves ... It's like waiting for an Olympic champion to be born and unveil itself , without the help of trainers, yeah.)))
      And there is not even a national Russian elite that could sponsor and sponsor the most promising writers, poets, etc. in Russia. Talented people are everywhere - they just need to be found and allowed to reveal their talent. And in Russia, the entire elite is completely not Russian. And if she's not Russian, then she doesn't care about Russians.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 10 May 2021 10: 03
        +2
        It is interesting here which writers have created what in the last thirty years.

        Makanin and Balashov come to mind. Although, Balashov, perhaps a little earlier.
        There are interesting things from fantasy. Although I don't read them much. Oldie, for example, Curious Books.

        The same Lukyanenko worked well in the best things.
        1. Murrr 27
          Murrr 27 10 May 2021 13: 40
          +5
          Oldies are great. I would venture to add one more author (now I am re-reading it once again, I am bastard with a new one and I notice new moments) - Max Fry. Echo cycle. Very difficult books ...... then an incident from my life.
          Since 11.45 on September 4, 2005, I do not smoke, I quit smoking. The technique of fulfilling desires turned out by chance (Spilny, "The Technique of Freedom", is in VK; by the way, it's funny - but I already had this book, but I haven't finished reading it before describing the technique, I got it a couple of days later) And "Elusive Haba Heng" is written on the implementation of such a technique.
          Parting with a smoke took from half an hour to an hour, got up - but I don't want to smoke ... (two packs of "Belomor" a day at least ...). An hour - I don’t want to, two - I don’t want to ..... And from the first day I sat quietly next to the smokers. But there was physical dependence.
          This I am not bragging about, there is nothing here, my merit is at least.
          This is me about the difficulty wassat Fry's books.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 10 May 2021 18: 15
            0
            One of Fry's books came across recently. Suitable.
            For some reason, the shops were packed, many in their hands came across - but in no hurry to read.
        2. ver_
          ver_ 11 May 2021 08: 51
          +1
          ..have not tried to read Alexey Pekhov - The Chronicles of Siala ..? , eg..
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 11 May 2021 08: 59
            0
            Not. Didn't come across at all.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 12 May 2021 04: 03
              +1
              .. I love to read the book fraternity * in the library * filibust * - our ... the fool banned it - free .. The Browsec add-on solves this ..
        3. Esoteric
          Esoteric 11 May 2021 09: 38
          +1
          I recommend books by Scottish author Ian Banks. Especially - "On the other side of darkness", "A reliable tool", "Algebraist". The cycle "Culture" is also great.
        4. LTMax
          LTMax 11 May 2021 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: Korsar4
          It is interesting here which writers have created what in the last thirty years.


          They create, Sergei, create ... True, not everyone and not always visit their works, and the language has become much worse. And if the spell checker corrects grammatical errors, then the language itself, in my opinion, becomes ... poor, or something. And the manner of presenting for many authors leaves much to be desired - either short, chopped sentences, then they twist the phrase so that by the end of the sentence you forget what happened at the beginning laughing
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 11 May 2021 15: 30
            0
            Not everyone is ready, like Lev Nikolaevich, to rewrite it many times. The language is changing. And there is no getting away from it.
            1. LTMax
              LTMax 11 May 2021 15: 58
              +1
              Quote: Korsar4
              The language is changing. And there is no getting away from it.


              It's not really about that. In the end, we got used to the "yatei", got used to the emergence of new words - but the style of presentation was approximately at the same level. To be honest, I am far from a philologist to call it all the correct terms. But before the books were (not all, of course) like spring water, and now they are like bottled water. From the "Magnet" store. laughing And the early Golovachev, IMHO, cannot be compared at all with the modern one.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 11 May 2021 16: 14
                +1
                Also not a philologist. But Lomonosov, Sumarokov, Thackeray have their own language.
                And now the manner of communication is changing faster and faster.

                Where to draw the line - it is already necessary to specifically deal with it.

                But it is no coincidence that the same A. K. Tolstoy - as the forerunner of the Silver Age.
                1. LTMax
                  LTMax 11 May 2021 16: 27
                  +1
                  Yes, probably no need to draw the edges. I'd rather reread A.K. Tolstoy, Chekhov, or from the new Fry, Denisov, Bessonov, whose manner of presentation suits me. And whoever likes something else, let them read something else laughing
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 11 May 2021 19: 40
                    +1
                    Sure. When the taste is developed - and you select it for it. Another thing is that omnivores are found.
    7. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 10 May 2021 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Roman, rewrite those books taking into account modern realities and laws, what problems! So the "fairy tale about the dead princess and the seven heroes" can be banned because of the cohabitation of seven adult men in the same family! Sodomy smells like! Yes, and corpses! Maybe books should be perceived as reading, and not as instructions for action? Otherwise, then in general it will be necessary to ban all world literature! !!

      There is such a book "Dunno on the Moon."
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 10 May 2021 10: 04
        +2
        Always. According to the popularity index, it is so often mentioned. At least here.
    8. Proxima
      Proxima 10 May 2021 10: 11
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Otherwise, then in general it will be necessary to ban all world literature! !!

      Why ban? As I understand it, Roman wants to update Soviet children's classical literature. What about? Let's replace "Timur and him to .." with "Harry Potter", belay "Scarlet Sails" by Green and "The lonely sail is white" by Kataev will be replaced with some more vomit. The main thing is that African Americans must be present and gay rights tongue respected ... good
    9. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 10 May 2021 15: 38
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      So the "fairy tale about the dead princess and the seven heroes" can be banned because of the cohabitation of seven adult men in the same family! Sodomy smells like! Yes, and corpses!

      But this will just be "in trend". Sexual minorities will applaud and promote.
    10. Anachoret
      Anachoret 10 May 2021 19: 06
      0
      Well then, Pinocchio is a fairy tale about two old homosexuals who whip out a boy for themselves. and if you watched Soviet cinema and saw how Giuseppe and Papa Carlo kiss on the lips - that's it, the end, the end credits. adventure electronics - in the same place, the professor (the same actor as Carlo's dad) made himself an electric boy.

      but about adaptation - really, it's a simple matter. in the states, for example, it is put on stream and the copyright does not even need to be paid. a good plot is taken, events are modified taking into account modern realities and some details and bam change. new work. how modern cinema is made based on fairy tales, for example. or take any fairy tales - three fat men, a seven-colored flower and whatever. modern adaptation, if you also shoot a children's movie, will very much revive. the problem is that they have forgotten how to shoot children's films, but the world is moving. and for each age audience of children he shoots films separately and the box office for the film companies brings excellent ones. don't believe me? check out the maximum translated content set in different languages ​​in netflix or amazon. these are children's films and cartoons. here is the answer.
    11. boni592807
      boni592807 12 May 2021 17: 59
      0
      Now the question is very simple, or the Russian Federation in matters of ideology and education will follow the path of the heroes "Timur and his team" good or we will choke negative в AUE, Blue elephants, performers like (from Kazan, captured youngsters who fell under the influence of a Nazi from O, Krajina with similar plans, Crimea, there is also a college, etc.), drugs and bulk ... So if it goes, it won't even be up to NATO ... hi
  2. mat-vey
    mat-vey 10 May 2021 05: 19
    +4
    Quote: Fitter65
    well, the only thing to add to the list of obscenities is such a "work"

    The list can be supplemented and supplemented ... ad infinitum - it seems they are not going to stop the production of "masterpieces" ..
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 10 May 2021 05: 29
      +3
      Quote: mat-vey
      The list can be supplemented and supplemented ... ad infinitum - it seems they are not going to stop the production of "masterpieces" ..

      Well. by and large, the list of "obscene" from our "cinema artists" can be counted from the beginning of perestroika, for example, from "The Hunt for the Unicorn" ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 10 May 2021 12: 11
        +2
        Quote: Fitter65
        Well. by and large, the list of "obscene" from our "cinema artists" can be counted from the beginning of perestroika, for example, from "The Hunt for the Unicorn" ...

        Well, as orders appeared, so the kinchik flooded ..
  3. skobars
    skobars 10 May 2021 22: 48
    +1
    Podolsk cadets are not such a bad film. And Devyatayev is a real and worthy hero, an idiotic traitor was put into the plot by a clearly sick person. Zoe is a real and worthy heroine. Tanks are bullshit, of course.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 11 May 2021 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: skobars
      Podolsk cadets are not such a bad film. And Devyatayev is a real and worthy hero, an idiotic traitor was put into the plot by a clearly sick person. Zoe is a real and worthy heroine. Tanks are bullshit, of course.

      Podolsk cadets agree not a bad film, but a terribly bad one. Devyatayev, yes, the hero is real, and they would have made a real movie, and not this shnyaga. Zoya and the heroine are real and unworthy of that low-standard product that they are trying to sell us like a film about a heroine ... I was brought up on higher works of art such as "The Fate of a Man", "Lark", "Chronicle of a Dive Bomber", "Zhenya, Zhenya and" katyusha "", "Only" old men "go into battle." By the way, at the same time, a true film about the real heroine Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya was shot ... About the level of current filmmakers, in the film "Podolsk cadets" they did not even have enough brains speed limit sign on the road, I am already silent about the reinforced concrete poles of power lines. I’m not talking about how they chose the position for the artillerymen. Well, how gorgeous Sergei Bezrukov looks with a Thompson submachine gun, there are no words, only emotions ...
      1. 2ez
        2ez 11 May 2021 13: 00
        +2
        As for the signs on the road, I didn't even notice, I just watched the FILM. As for the PP Thompson - a batch of several hundred pieces was purchased back in the distant 1923-1924 years. After studying the performance characteristics, they were recommended for aviators, and in the border troops. So don't talk about weapons ... In BLOCKBUSTER "Hot Snow" is also a huge blunder, "Tigers" are attacking the positions of our troops ... Is the movie a bad one? THE WAR IS SHOWN without embellishment !!! As it is ... And in "The battle are only old men" shows "Yak-18", and Titarenko in some "Fizelstorh" flies out for reconnaissance, and we are assured that it is - "Messer"! And what, the film became bad from this?
        In general, I think that both "Panfilov's 28" and "Podolsk cadets" are some of the best films of recent years about the war ... For almost 2 weeks, 3,5 thousand cadets held the defense line, but the Germans took only a couple of hours. No Special Departments, and no massacre in the basements of the Lubyanka !! We just stood there FOR THE LATE !!!! It is well said in "28 Panfilovites" - not DEATH, but DEADLY have to stand!
        Something like this ...
  4. your1970
    your1970 11 May 2021 07: 23
    -1
    People !!! Ay !!!
    It is very easy and pleasant to blame everything on others / power ...

    Take any city (except for millionaires) - you Putin makes children to school by car to carry ??? Just don’t talk about public transport and guest workers ... the first in such cities is completely replaced by minibuses, the second is simply not there ...
    В Your your own childhood you are quite yourself WENT (kicking !!! What a miracle !!!) to school - despite all the dangers ... Including real ones ...
    You yourself - seeing the black eye of the kiddies - are ready to reach the UN. The prosecutor's office and the district police officer - it goes without saying, yeah ...
    The fact that you themselves in childhood - they were bruised and your father could also hit you on the head - a weakling, he could not win - this is poverty-stricken ...
    You brag about how you went camping / to construction sites - but it's scary to imagine what will happen if yours the child will climb into the construction site and pinch his finger ...
    You shout - "damned bureaucrats and bureaucrats have banned the slightest movement of children" - but forget that these bureaucrats are people YOUR HIS generations that grew up in the USSR ...
    Not aliens, no ...
    It is you yourself who make them come up with more and more new rules - they are so protected from you ...
    What, in the USSR there were no rapists / pedophiles / guest workers ("limits") / drugs and alcohol / national problems / factory districts and gopniks / and further, further, further ?! It was, everything was ... They did not publish about it in the newspapers - yes ...

    You yourself raised children - without responsible, unable to take responsibility for yourself and your actions.

    It was you who spoiled them - not Putin at all.

  5. Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 12 May 2021 13: 27
    +1
    Quote: Fitter65
    In literature lessons, Timur and his team, Denis Korablev, Dinka, Lyonka and so on. And on the Internet you know what. And in the movies "Tanks", "Zoya", "Devyatayev" and other obscenities.
    Here it is difficult to disagree with Roman. well, the only thing to add to the list of obscenities is such a "work" "Podolsk students" ...


    There are two things to prohibit:
    1. To shoot films about the Second World War, because the farther from it will be filming, the further such films will be from reality - with silicone actresses and tattooed pumped-up actors.
    2. Limit the state as much as possible. subsidies for films and other "culture" so as not to breed parasites, which are now filming their delirium at the expense of the state. Give money only to museums, etc.
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  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 10 May 2021 06: 06
    0
    Well, you are the "first swallow" that you are trying to draw attention to this. You give idiots from jurisprudence topics for hype ... Why?
    This literature does not bother anyone. Most likely it is no longer taught in schools. Therefore, there are no attacks from rabid freephiles
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 May 2021 06: 39
    +4
    There is no time to look, but once I came across a video in which a person with the skills of a psychologist explains that the cartoon "Three from Prostokvashino" is a psychological thriller with the participation of maniacs and some unknown force. And, you know, it turned out smoothly - both laughter and sin!
    And now Roman has written an article ... Why did he write it? Show that the book does not correspond to modern realities? So on that subject "History" exists. She should explain the way of life and customs of that era. And the teacher, in the introductory speech before studying the work, must explain the nuances.
    And with this approach, you can twist and denigrate any story, any fairy tale. And, even, by order: either anti-state, or with lowered morality.
    PS Our cinematography is, of course, a separate topic, but what did you dislike about "Zoya"?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 10 May 2021 08: 34
      +4
      Yes Yes! Every person, they said, is obliged to face reality. See only the momentary! Anything that did not fall into this category is off. Wonderful literary fictions, flight of imagination - hit it in the air. And then on Sunday morning, thirty years ago, in 1975, they were put against the library wall: Santa Claus and the Headless Horseman, Snow White, and the Brownie, and Mother Goose - everyone was crying out loud! - and they shot them, then they burned paper locks and frog princesses, old kings and everyone who "has healed happily ever since" (in fact, about whom we can say that he has healed happily ever since!), and Once became in Never! And they scattered in the wind the ashes of the Enchanted Rickshaw along with the shards of the Land of Oz, hacked Glinda the Good and Ozma, laid the Many-Flower in the spectroscope, and Jack the Pumpkin Head was brought to the table at the Ball of Biologists! The Pea Pod is withered in the bureaucratic thickets! Sleeping Beauty was awakened by the kiss of a scientist and gave up her ghost when he thrust a medical syringe into her. They made Alice drink something from a bottle that made her so tiny that she could no longer shout: "The further, the more curious!" They smashed the Magic Mirror to smithereens with one hammer blow, and all the Red Kings and Oysters were gone!
      "The Martian Chronicles" Escher II
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 10 May 2021 10: 54
        +4
        The most annoying thing is that poroce is already starting. They are not burning yet, but they are already repainting Uncle Tom. And Tom and Huck's friends were shedding too. Any road begins with a small step, and this step has already been taken by civilization. I'll have to dig in a couple of volumes in the garden. So that Montag could do self-education. When the time comes.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 May 2021 06: 40
    0
    That is, according to the author, in Soviet times there were no criminal articles for illegal imprisonment, breaking into someone else's house with a burglary, hijacking a vehicle and the rest ?! Seriously?! Yes-ah ...
  • Revolver
    Revolver 10 May 2021 06: 40
    +11
    Mark Twain was banned in America. Not like the bonfires from his books, but school libraries are urged not to keep it in their collections because he used, and more than once, the H-word in relation to African Americans. Although in his time, neither the politically correct definition of "African American", nor the political correctness as we know it, had yet been invented.
    And the other day on Fox News there was an article about how the guardians of political correctness ran into the fairy tale about Snow White.
    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/piers-morgan-slams-consent-criticism-snow-white-ride-disneyland
    The problem is the kiss that broke the evil spell. Since Snow White was asleep and therefore did not give consent to the prince for a kiss. And this is, accordingly, an illegal invasion of privacy, and almost an insult on a sexual basis. So there shouldn't be any happily ever after.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 10 May 2021 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      America was banned from Mark Twain.

      It's a shame Mark Twain is a good author of fascinating books, although not politically correct. I remembered the bright image of the policeman Derek.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 10 May 2021 07: 01
    +12
    The book was good. I read in the 2nd grade on my own. I do not remember that she was in the school curriculum. Maybe in those days it was for extracurricular reading. Having become a pioneer in 1963, I did not even remember about any Timurovites. In the pioneer squad they talked about the Second World War - about the pioneer heroes, then there were several films about them, a lot was told about 28 Panfilovites. But no one said anything about the pre-war years. And after the twentieth anniversary of the Victory in 1965, the entire "pre-war" generally receded into the background. They did not like to remember the war with Finland, they talked about the volunteers who fought in Spain but quietly, without unnecessary details, Khasan learned about the hostilities on the lake only in the 7th grade, although I don’t know why they didn’t talk about it ...
    The word "Timurovtsy" existed, but somehow separate from reality.
    Today, thinking about the past, I can hardly imagine how "Timur and his team" and
    Resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, the Central Executive Committee of the USSR of April 7, 1935 No. 3/598 "On measures to combat juvenile delinquency", book - "members of families who served in the Red Army" and real - "members of families of traitors to the motherland." How Gaidar was allowed to publish a work calling for such an uncontrolled association is also not clear.
    Today, even from the height of modern knowledge about that time, it is difficult to give a sober assessment of what is happening - it is dangerous to slide to extremes. Dangerous and false accusations of everything, and fanatical praise of wisdom and the then leadership. However, without comprehending the events of those years, there is another danger - voluntary or involuntary, in one form or another, a repetition of old mistakes.
  • Tycoon
    Tycoon 10 May 2021 07: 11
    -14%
    and what is the literary value of Timur and his team? There are many literary masterpieces that are not studied at school or are studied superficially, but you say Timur and his team ... Standard Soviet fiction, written for the sake of time and now is absolutely of no interest to anyone ...
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 10 May 2021 07: 46
    +1
    About the "bathing mode" - the author amused. laughing
    The same "realistic" procedure for conducting excursions: agree on a list of drug diseases, an application to the traffic police, a list of food products with certificates, etc. Officials and lawyers are happy. But in reality, no one thinks to follow these rules: children travel and swim. The main thing is to persuade the "kamikaze" teacher. laughing bully
    ps And Gaidar's legacy does not cause problems for students. Even if someone suddenly reads, they will perceive Mikhail or Timur as something alien and unreal: "strangers", "foreign country". Elderly "Marivans" continue to drive "Timurovites" to "help babashki". But Gaidar has absolutely nothing to do with it.
  • Oleg133
    Oleg133 10 May 2021 07: 47
    +1
    At your request, the Tale of the Priest has been renamed. Kindle ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 10 May 2021 08: 00
    +8
    Here is Freedom! This was dreamed of in the damp basements of the KGB, at logging sites, rattling with shackles and a saw "Druzhba", in that same totalitarian, bloody time. How to make people pan-headed. In many republics, the former USSR, it worked out. And in Russia, it goes quietly. laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 10 May 2021 08: 06
    +2
    And fiction now does not pass?
    Alisa Selezneva definitely violated all the articles that she could.

    If you talk about modern literature, Mariam Petrosyan is definitely knocking on the head “The House in Which”. Probably not for schoolchildren. But this is literature.

    And how to adhere to legislative norms in the literature. Carlson, Winnie the Pooh and Mowgli are just inveterate creatures.
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  • north 2
    north 2 10 May 2021 08: 15
    +2
    If there are no worthy new authors in children's literature, then only works by Soviet composers - Frenkel, Feltsman, Teriverdiev, Tulikov, Basner, Krylatov - are worthy of the song genre. By the way, their songs are such that it is very appropriate to bring up children with the help of these great songs ...
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 10 May 2021 08: 35
      +1
      The small one was relatively recently in kindergarten. The selection of songs that was taught for all events is suitable.

      Domestic authors have created a large supply.
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    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 May 2021 09: 04
      -7
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      The impression is that the article has the goal of once again, under the original sauce of the analysis of the Timur region, to kick Putin's youth ventures and organizations.

      With a probability of 99 percent, this is the case.
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      For reference, volunteers and various charitable foundations are now engaged in Timurov's affairs.
      I have a relative of a disabled person of the 1st group - they help a lot (I speak without a shadow of irony).
      So the function remains in general, let's not exaggerate.

      So they are not Soviet. In the opinion of some, people could only be helped in the USSR.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 11 May 2021 10: 02
        0
        The neighbor is a disabled person of the first group. But he does not let all the helpers on the doorstep. When asked why? "They can only help me to move to a home for the disabled, or much worse, and they themselves will move into my apartment." His words.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 May 2021 19: 32
          0
          Quote: Ezoterik
          His words.

          In the USSR, the housing issue was still like, so if desired, examples could be found there as well.
  • prior
    prior 10 May 2021 10: 06
    +8
    Well, why only children's literature?
    Isn't our whole life turned into FUCK?!
  • xorek
    xorek 10 May 2021 10: 54
    -8
    The Soviet writer Gaidar had a good granddaughter (editor of the Kommunist magazine, etc.) And then an ardent hater of the USSR and a gravedigger of everything that was created by the sweat and blood of Soviet people .. negative
    I wonder who and who his relatives were, he has so much anger against the Soviet regime and Russia in general (as he previously wrote in his profiles with THIS country, something needs to be done) I remember, spat in Roma's soul specifically, God is his judge. ... soldier
  • Alexander Gladkikh
    Alexander Gladkikh 10 May 2021 11: 29
    +2
    Actually, by the beginning of the 80s, children's literature written in the 30s - 60s did not reflect the realities. And now even more so.
  • Avior
    Avior 10 May 2021 11: 43
    +3
    in my pioneer childhood at the turn of the 70s and 80s, the Timurov movement was episodically
    I personally helped my grandfather a couple of times with classmates, to whom we were assigned, but it was somehow isolated actions.
    I found out about the continuation of "Timur's Oath" only now.
    While still at school, I found another script in the library - a sequel - "The Commandant of the Snow Fortress", which is more complex psychologically.
    Only now times have changed.
    And the son of that very Timur Gaidar Yegor, as you know, was far from the Timur movement, and Timur's granddaughter Maria Gaidar was even further away.
    Why the author believes that this will be close and understandable to modern children is completely unclear.
    Rather, "Dunno on the Moon" will be close, but it will be included in the list of forbidden literature, if not already.

    In fact, it is difficult to link the existing capitalist state with the principles of the socialist one.
    I would like to use the achievements of socialist power, but without mentioning socialism itself, so as not to suggest an obvious idea - if the past state had achievements, then maybe the orders of the past state could be returned, and not palaces to rulers and other masters of life to build?
    Therefore, the Mausoleum is draped, and strange situations occur, such as the installation of a monument to the murderer of Chapaev, erected on Chapaev Street.
    And children feel such a lie perfectly.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 10 May 2021 11: 51
    +2
    Our modern history is inevitably in conflict with Soviet history, with the works of Soviet writers. Roughly speaking, we exist in a flawed doublethink. Many of the classic "Soviet" works were written, even at one time, poorly corresponding to reality, cutting off and primitive many of its unsightly features, for censorship reasons bypassing the most acute and important issues of the era or endowing people in the mass with certain qualities that are objectively present in units, in order the image of the so-called "new man".
    Even in Soviet times, all this could look somewhat unnatural, but while the country was going uphill, it was a useful fiction. Now we exist in completely different conditions, values, the world around us is built on money and demagoguery, from the top to the bottom of the state. This rather cynical moment is masked much worse and more primitive than it was done in the USSR. Under these conditions, Soviet heroes often look unnatural, largely because, from a human point of view, THEY ARE UNNATURAL, because we KNOW HOW IT'S ENDED. How did these songs about virgin lands and the "garden city" end, that the grandparents whom Timur and his team helped on the ball died, their villages degraded, the youth who left for the cities because their homeland did not care about them in terms of supply, and then some burzhik-furry paw bought up all these lands. This is the end of all these wonderful stories about the "new man", about people's cooperation, this is where the end of some bright and lofty thoughts - in the cesspool of old-time capitalism. A reasonable person, due to his youth, will not add A and B often, for him these stories can be very incendiary and meaningful - until he grows up and understands how easily the "general" becomes "private", and people who are called to defend the "general" become those who will bludgeon with truncheons and disperse the rallies.
    The world is not at all what the authors of the sometimes wonderful and with a good message, Soviet works saw it. This point of view has given way to the evolutionary line, its adherents have lost their competitive advantages over the small fish of capitalism - so why do we need these things from grandmother's chest?
    Even so, why do modern children need it? For dissonance? To better peck at healthy demagoguery and appeals to a half-myth? So that you can buy them cheaper for beads of ideals?
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      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 12 May 2021 11: 46
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        This is the very history, without the knowledge of which the people cannot have a future.

        This is a mythical thesis - we take, for example, the United States, a country that has not relied on a "myth" for a long time, on some kind of massive history rooted in centuries, a country in which newcomers quite soon and for the most part become "Americans" without really clinging to the past ... Live well? Okay.
        There is no evidence that people who cling to the past with claws have any advantages over those who do not cling. A people without history (the United States) may well build their own history, simultaneously creating conditions for a good life and systematic plugging of those around them.
        We take as an example the Jews - who lost their common history a millennium ago, scattered throughout the world and gathered together in a strong, albeit small, state - united not so much by "history" as by language, religion and culture. How can you unite some kind of "history" of people whose ancestors lived for tens of generations in completely different parts of the world?
        And vice versa - there were quite long-term empires, within which different peoples had one "history" - this in no way protected the empires from disintegration when their hour came. Disintegration tendencies in history are roughly equal to those of integration, the latter cannot act as some kind of strong guarantor of either success or existence itself.

        At least in order to realize the possibility of a different relationship. FOR IT WAS

        In addition, there was a lot more, and a completely different picture of "different relations" was formed. In which many outstanding figures of science or culture of the fatherland sat and received a lot of pain from the state and the system, some perished, others were forced to flee so as not to perish. The thesis about the development of moral relations in a country in which neighbors and colleagues were actively knocking on each other "where they should" looks doubtful, knowing perfectly well what this would lead to. Against the background of all this splendor, children who help old people on an industrial scale look more monstrous than natural. This is a myth from which the germs of reality sprouted, but one should not think that the system was such - that it was good. No, she wasn't good.

        And also to realize that "everything ended the way it ended" - simply because we did not come out with our servile snout, in order to live with dignity

        Here I cannot but agree. As you build, so you build, alas.

        If "it's over" - then it's just stupid to expect good things ahead.

        Unfortunately, our philosophy, after the end, likens us to a cancer that moves backwards. We are trying to find answers / solutions for how we can exist in the modern world in the remains of a discredited system and a state that has collapsed under a mountain of contradictions. That way we really won't find anything. We should have decided whether we want to live well or epic, and if we want to live well we should look forward and to the sides.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 May 2021 12: 20
    +3
    Thanks to Roman for another interesting article on a topical topic.
    In one, the heroes of old books can still serve as an example for children. In the second, it is doubtful.

    Although, maybe not the books are to blame, not the authors of distant years? The main thing is the message, the topic that the writer touched upon. The point is that you need to be kind and, on occasion, provide all possible help to those in need ... without 100% copying the methods of the Soviet "Timurovtsy". Only the teacher and parents should explain all this in an accessible way (both from a psychological and legal point of view). But do they explain ...?
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 10 May 2021 13: 25
    0
    And the heroes of Nosov and Dragunsky just walked and swam, fished. Gathered mushrooms.


  • VLR
    VLR 10 May 2021 13: 27
    +2
    Too serious. The story "Timur and his team" was perceived by everyone as a fairy tale even in Soviet times. Level "A wizard walked through the city." Or - "The Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors". Only a fairy tale is not a magical one, but an everyday one. With correct (no one denied this), but unattainable (no one denied) ideals.
    Well, as for the fact that there was no regulation from all sorts of supervisory bodies, it is true. Paradoxically, in many respects there was more freedom in the USSR than now, when it is better to sit and do nothing - so as not to violate something and not fall under the article (I'm not talking about rallies).
  • KKND
    KKND 10 May 2021 13: 48
    -6
    The whole article is chatter for the sake of chatter. Nothing at all. The country has no other problems except to deal with children's literature. Here are the comments to match the article.
  • didra
    didra 10 May 2021 13: 50
    +1
    In my opinion, it is interesting that the story takes place in the area of ​​the current metro station Kuntsevo. You can compare how the terrain has changed.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 10 May 2021 14: 17
    0
    We must follow the example of the United States. There "The Adventures of Huck Finn" by M. Twain and "Gone with the Wind" were banned from schools for a long time. Zombification must be total.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 10 May 2021 15: 09
    0
    On the one hand, I really would not like to be a prophet, on the other, our president once again speaks about the need to fight the scribes of history and slanderers, and yet another libel appears on the screens, which has nothing to do with reality ...
    It remains to wait for the remake of the film "Timur and his team", where Timur will be tortured by the NKVD for stealing a motorcycle with the aim of using it in preparation, and committing a possible terrorist attack against the Leader! Is it funny? But I do not, citizens live in such a time. What times - such as they say - songs! sad
    P.S. Respect to the author of the article. hi
  • Radikal
    Radikal 10 May 2021 15: 29
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    Roman, rewrite those books taking into account modern realities and laws, what problems! So the "fairy tale about the dead princess and the seven heroes" can be banned because of the cohabitation of seven adult men in the same family! Sodomy smells like! Yes, and corpses! Maybe books should be perceived as reading, and not as instructions for action? Otherwise, then in general it will be necessary to ban all world literature! !!

    But what, does the author in his article suggest to prohibit something, or rewrite, or did you read the article through some special points? lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 10 May 2021 15: 40
    0
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Quote: Fitter65
    That is, they, the books, should not teach light, kind, eternal?

    Books don't owe anything to anyone. But if the book does not correspond to the realities of today, it often turns out to be unnecessary. Just impractical.
    Quote: Fitter65
    And why read and delve into the meaning of the book,

    Well, maybe because there is some sense in it? And sometimes it's useful.

    Maybe, just as you reasoned, those who in the 30s, in Germany, made fires from books? winked
    By the way, Roman also hinted about this. sad
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 10 May 2021 15: 45
    0
    Well e-my ... where we got carried. Let's cancel Mu-Mu and Dubrovsky kids! There is also cruelty to animals, the sale of people and "noble" robbers! Now mattressans are doing this massively in their country - they are adjusting their ancestors to modern laws. Will we rake it up to the same?
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 11 May 2021 10: 06
      0
      And "Robin Hood"? = :))
  • Woodman
    Woodman 10 May 2021 16: 20
    +1
    This is how you open an article, you think you'll read something smart, but in fact, I'm sorry, it's some kind of nonsense ...
  • Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 10 May 2021 16: 46
    0
    The West (the Soviets) is the West, the East (the Russian Federation, and the rest of the world) is the East, and they will never come together ..
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 10 May 2021 16: 52
    0
    I haven't finished reading it to the end. Very long text. But I liked the idea and the beginning.
    Well, if I interpret this idea into today's reality, then, of course, many volunteers are managed "from above" (I do not mean that this is always and necessarily bad), and money is allocated to pay for their "free help". Even zombies show how volunteers are given bonuses
  • sgapich
    sgapich 10 May 2021 17: 08
    +3
    Interestingly, the author moans about the lack of high-quality modern literature, the many restrictions of Rospotrebnadzor, he even gives an example: to change something
    you must have a remarkable character and individual parts of the body made of 440C steel, no less

    At the same time, however, it forgets that 440C is americana steel grade.
  • dranthqu
    dranthqu 10 May 2021 18: 17
    -1
    Starting from about the end of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century, there was a tendency to legally divide people into children, adolescents and adults. The category of adolescents is slowly disappearing - responsibility is removed from them, their rights are taken away. And this is all over the world.

    As a result, the law considers that there is no difference between an infant and a 13-year-old, and with a 16-year-old, the difference is only in especially serious cases.

    Work? Up to 14 years old is generally prohibited. After - only a few hours a week, and then on vacation.

    Well, how can a person learn to be independent if parents are obliged, on pain of criminal liability and deprivation of parental rights, to flutter around the clock over children and adolescents up to 14-16 years old? Not the least role is played by the howl and the "public opinion" of the mothers.

    But nothing, they have already taken the height at 18 years old, soon they will take 21. And then who will change a diaper in 20 years and wipe the snot?

    It's time to stop this madness. 14 years? Here are your rights and obligations, figure it out. Parents will help, but only help. Do you want to work? Forward! Do you want to go to another city? You are welcome!

    At the same time, demographics will improve.
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 10 May 2021 21: 44
    0
    > However, today we have independence in organizations ... is not encouraged.
    You know, Roman, in mine, for example, is welcome. Of course, provided that you correctly and reasonably state what will happen, how it will be and why it will be so. A person has been given a great instrument-speech, you just need to master it and use it for the benefit of all those involved.

    I read very carefully about the articles of the Criminal Code, touched, how about the idea to consider Russian folk tales from this point of view? There, perhaps, it will not be far before the lifting of the moratorium.

    I do not see a problem either in Timur, or in the team, or in the kind, teaching goodness / helping one's neighbor imperishable literature. Unless, of course, it is taken literally and analyzed from the point of view of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation))
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 10 May 2021 21: 56
    +1
    It's good that Gaidar, Nosov, Dragunsky are still in the school curriculum. At the very least, children can read, and maybe understand "what is good and what is bad."
  • Vladimir Lenin
    Vladimir Lenin 10 May 2021 22: 17
    0
    I don’t know if this is the author’s banter, then it’s not funny at all! Modern children almost never read books, unless it's Harry Potter. And for some reason I remembered this:
  • faterdom
    faterdom 11 May 2021 00: 10
    0
    And "Dunno on the Moon" is generally a blatant libel on a prosperous Russia!
    Well, this is Nikolai Nosov, it seems like a stranger to the past - he lived among you and me, looked at all the Khodorkovsky-Potanins, saw “from the police to the police,” and most importantly, the corporatization of Soviet enterprises, etc. The Scooperfields and the Krebs, the Giant Plants Society, the thriving Julio and the Isle of D ... cov! Fartings are damned again ...
    Where are United Russia and its leader looking? Are they not offended? Or are they the ones for whom Zadornov held the Americans?
  • kit88
    kit88 11 May 2021 00: 38
    +9
    When will Timur and his team be judged?

    What is the point of measuring past life with modern patterns?
    What was once in the order of things - now "the mind is not comprehensible"!
    Well, here is a man sitting in a pub, drinking beer, then getting behind the wheel of his Mercedes and driving through the capital.
    Now everyone will be on their toes. The killer is driving! Fine ... deprive for life ... confiscate ... imprison! And in between, it was Maxim Maksimovich Isaev, in the common people Max Otto von Stirlitz. Completely a positive hero. And in 1965, 1973. such his behavior did not raise any questions from anyone.
    About Russian folk tales, (and not only Russians, and not only folk ones), it is generally better to keep silent. Some of the murder, bullying and cruelty to animals.
    And in 200 years, maybe for killing a mosquito there will be jail, there is no disconnect from the Universal Network. request
  • kombat1976
    kombat1976 11 May 2021 03: 25
    -1
    This literature needs to be taught, and not such rubbish to write about it. the author -> the author -> the author outside understood neither the work, nor the Soviet people.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 11 May 2021 06: 40
    +2
    The author is right and ... wrong! )). I was an active Timur at school and saw what this movement had degenerated into. Enthusiasts like me helped the veterans a lot, but the overwhelming mass of the late Soviet pioneers was indifferent to this idea, as well as to everything connected with officialdom. Activists were despised, everything was done from under the stick. What was really alive was that in which there was some kind of entertaining, competitive or prize element - lightning, hiking, collecting scrap metal.
    It is difficult now to pull Timur's owl onto the globe of our time, but I am sure that there are works about human kindness and helping those in need. You just need to find them. You can continue to lament about today's youth, or you can sow the rational, kind, eternal into their Klip souls. Different ways. And it's great if someone shared such good examples.
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  • miner804
    miner804 11 May 2021 08: 06
    0
    Good article
  • samosad
    samosad 11 May 2021 09: 38
    -1
    Author, are you or are you pretending? Disassemble then the tale of Masha and the Bear! These stories should not naturally be taken literally, although only how can you call the police if firewood is cut at his house or the fence is painted. Ugh, yes, what is there to comment on! And it is not necessary to say that you studied this at school - you are from the pepsikol generation, who do not know how to think!
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 11 May 2021 09: 39
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    They wrote everything correctly. "This was the era before the sun's divergence" ((C) "Conan the Destroyer").
    I especially liked: "Freethinking, as practice shows, is one step away from dissent ..."
  • AAK
    AAK 11 May 2021 10: 09
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    It is not true that Gaidar's heroes are not relevant now, the Bad and Mishek Kvakins are legions (and the higher, the more), the damned bourgeoisie is the pink and blue dream of the entire fifth column, as well as oligarchs-deputies-bureaucrats (and these are hundreds of thousands, if not more), well, Nosov's "Dunno on the Moon" is almost a cast from life ...
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 11 May 2021 12: 48
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    In organizations for the recreation of children and their recovery in the presence of a water body ...
    In the pioneer camp we just walked (with the whole detachment) and swam. In addition to the pioneer leader (who came with us into the water and, of course, followed us), and it seems also the teacher, who I do not remember entering the water, there was nothing: no rescue posts, towers, flags, medical workers and everything else. this nonsense. And there were no problems - no one drowned, nothing happened to anyone! Now we have learned to spoil everything, including children's rest.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 11 May 2021 13: 10
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    Do you know what needs to be observed so that children can swim in water bodies? Here is information taken from the Rospotrebnadzor website.

    In organizations for the recreation of children and their recovery in the presence of a water body and the organization of bathing, the requirements of the legislation of the Russian Federation must be observed.

    And I just said in the morning: "Mom, I'm going to the river with the boys," I took 20 kopecks and returned in the evening, tired, burnt, with their legs cut into shells, but for some reason no one drowned and died from blood poisoning or diarrhea after drinking water from the river. For some reason, we believed that if you dive, you can take a sip of water, so it is not dirty there. And also, on weekends I walk from the store past my native school, I watch the pedagogical team whitewash brick fence posts, trees in the school yard. I came up, looked and said, "And we did it ourselves on subbotniks from the fourth grade." The answer to me was: "There were times, we remember, but now you can't force the kids to do anything, otherwise the parents will drag them to the authorities."
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 11 May 2021 23: 57
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      Where did the 20 kopecks go? For "ice cream"? smile
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 12 May 2021 11: 54
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        Quote: Falcon5555
        Where did the 20 kopecks go? For "ice cream"?

        For seeds and soda. In those distant times, I did not smoke, it was then in the army that I started, but now it is already the fourth year, as a non-smoker again. wink
    2. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 13 May 2021 11: 17
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      I look at the pedagogical team whitewash brick fence posts
      We never whitewashed anything, and we didn't have a fence. And the neighboring schools did not. And now around everyone there are tall iron fences, which an adult needs to climb up to. There is something aesthetically unpleasant and pragmatically meaningless in this. For example, purely pragmatically - they will obviously make it difficult to evacuate.