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The US Navy announced the lack of fighters to simulate aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces

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The chief of the US naval reserve, Vice Admiral John Mustin, during a hearing in the House of Representatives subcommittee on appropriations, said there were problems in preparing military pilots for a possible confrontation in the air. As it turns out, the US Navy squadron, which is called the "aggressor squadron", already lacks fighters that could imitate the aircraft of the "most likely enemy".


It is worth noting that in the United States, "aggressor squadrons" consist mainly of American-made aircraft, which are repainted in colors used, for example, by the Russian Aerospace Forces. Such aircraft take part in simulating air battles with US Air Force (Navy) fighters, as a result of which certain tactics for further countermeasures in the air are developed.

Several F / A-18 fighters were withdrawn from the US Navy, which had exhausted their operational life. Among them, as it turns out, were fighters assigned to the same "aggressor squadron" of the US Navy. Now the squadron, as Vice Admiral Mustin told the Congressmen, needs to be replenished with fighters "that could mimic modern enemy aircraft."

John Mustin:

We already do not have enough fighters that would allow us to carry out missions as imitation weapons of the enemy, his high-class fighters.

According to the latest data, the United States is going to solve this problem by transferring several F-16C / D fighters to the "aggressor squadron". Such combat aircraft, as the American vice admiral put it, "are surplus in some parts of the Air Force and the National Guard."

Vice Admiral Mustin:

We need to upgrade these aircraft with infrared sensors for search and tracking, as well as implement the "Red Net" situational data network.

Equipping the F-16 for the needs of simulated air battles under the guise of Russian fighters is scheduled to be completed by November this year. For this, the vice admiral requested additional funds from Congress.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 8 May 2021 07: 08
    +5
    Shaw, the garny lads, is everything that could somehow fly, from the Soviet legacy, is it over? laughing
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 8 May 2021 07: 50
      +3
      So not only ended, they, as far as I remember, on the flyer of a zaluzhny (an active US Air Force pilot, even from a squadron of "aggressors") a guest rode.
      1. frruc
        frruc 8 May 2021 10: 46
        +1
        As it turns out, the US Navy squadron, which is called the "aggressor squadron", already lacks fighters that could imitate the aircraft of the "most likely enemy"

        In addition to the kaklov, Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Moldova and others also have planes of Soviet origin. There are no problems, you just pay money.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 8 May 2021 11: 44
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          Quote: frruc
          Amelets of Soviet origin are also owned by Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Moldova, etc.

          So the Georgians are not so long ago ...
          Georgia can produce attack aircraft both for its own air force and for export. In February this year, the current head of the Georgian military department, Juansher Burchuladze, announced the restoration of the aircraft factory closed after the collapse of the USSR and promised that the first restored Su-25 would take off by mid-March, then new planes would take off "every month." https://topwar.ru/180625-v-gruzii-vzletel-pervyj-vosstanovlennyj-shturmovik-su-25.html
          They will "practice" on attack aircraft, they will take up fighters there, but apart from the first one in March, there is something else ...
          1. frruc
            frruc 8 May 2021 14: 39
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            As far as I know, the plant was an aircraft repair plant. It is a pity, of course, that this plant was not completely destroyed in 2008, perhaps they were sorry for the bombs?
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 8 May 2021 12: 23
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          Quote: frruc
          In addition to the kaklov, Bulgaria, Poland, Romania, Moldova and others also have planes of Soviet origin. There are no problems, you just pay money.

          Yes, it's bad when people are not at all in the subject. For intellectual development
          To simulate the actions of enemy aviation and to train pilots in air combat, the US carrier aviation formed five special training and combat squadrons "aggressor". Among them: 43rd (Oceana AFB, Virginia), 121st and 126th (Miramar), 127th (Lemur, California) fighter and 45th (Cecil Field, Florida) assault squadron. In the Marine Corps aviation there is one enemy designation squadron - the 401st fighter (Yuma airbase).
          These squadrons are armed with over 100 A-4F Skyhawk and F-5 Tiger-2 aircraft, which in terms of their tactical and technical characteristics and appearance are most similar to some types of tactical aircraft of the air forces of the socialist countries. In 1986, the F-21A "Kfir" fighters leased from Israel (24 units) began to be used to designate new Soviet aircraft, and since 1987, the F-16N "Fighting Falcon" aircraft (about 30), almost similar to the F- 16C, which is in service with the US Air Force tactical aviation.
          The film "Top Gun" by the way, and tells about such a squadron.
          Squadrons of aggressors appeared in the United States after the Vietnam War. They are armed, as a rule, with American-made fighters, bearing the colors and insignia of the air force of a potential enemy, and conduct air battles in accordance with the doctrines and instructions of the respective countries.
          So the recommendations and advice of "spechialists" like
          Quote: Finches
          Shaw, the garny lads, is everything that could somehow fly, from the Soviet legacy, is it over?
          or
          Quote: XXXIII
          Let them buy export, welcome to Russia, to the Patrit Park.

          Only speaks of zero knowledge of commentators in what they comment.
          1. frruc
            frruc 8 May 2021 13: 56
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            The film "Top Gun" by the way, and tells about such a squadron.

            By the way, the film is bullshit, starring with Tom Cruise.
            And no one forces them to buy, since it is unsafe to fly on them, you can turn off ahead of time at the peak. Better to train on real aerial targets, not imitation ones. Moreover, there are enough of them in the Baltic, the Black Sea region, the B. East and the E. East.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 8 May 2021 18: 02
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              Quote: frruc
              Better to train on real aerial targets, not imitation ones. Moreover, there are enough of them in the Baltic, the Black Sea region, the B. East and the E. East.

              And how to train for these purposes, explain in more detail, or a bunch of puddles, and there do not bubble ...
              1. frruc
                frruc 8 May 2021 19: 37
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                Silently. In PPP and ZPS (meaning us air force)
            2. Fitter65
              Fitter65 8 May 2021 18: 15
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              Quote: frruc
              The film "Top Gun" by the way, and tells about such a squadron.
              By the way, the film is bullshit, starring with Tom Cruise
              Maybe bullshit, only there they just show training, a US NAVY pilot, simplified, but quite understandable. And there by the way, for the sake of advertising, the aerobatic capabilities of the F-14A were shown very well. And what about the bullshit movie .....? "T-34", "Podolsk cadets", and from fresh sludge "Devyatayev" ... So "Top Gun" is a real documentary film about the training of American Navy pilots ...
              1. frruc
                frruc 8 May 2021 19: 42
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                It seemed to me that this is another American comedy movie.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 9 May 2021 02: 23
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                  Quote: frruc
                  It seemed to me that this is another American comedy movie.

                  Such a "comedy" movie is better than a movie like "Fighters".
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    3. Professor
      Professor 8 May 2021 09: 23
      -1
      1. In the USA, there were 3 squadrons of pressureors until 2014. Now there are two: 18th and 65th.
      2. In the armament of the squadron there were also foreign aircraft. For example, the Israeli Kfir imitated the MiG-17. MiG-21 and MiG-23. By the way, Kfir himself was renamed F-21. There were no Soviet planes.


      3. There are squadrons of aggressors in Canada, Taiwan, China, Japan, Australia, NATO and ... private squadrons that are involved in exercises as needed. The decommissioned Israeli F-16s were sold to such a squadron.


      4. The USSR had its own "squadron of aggressors" in the 1521st Center for Combat Use. It was created in the 1070s "in connection with the unsatisfactory combat training of pilots revealed during the war in Vietnam and the Middle East conflicts." The enemy aircraft in the center were Soviet.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 8 May 2021 09: 39
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        Quote: Professor
        There were no Soviet planes.

        If America returned Alaska to Russia, it would have had Soviet planes nearby, free of charge. laughing
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 8 May 2021 18: 03
          -2
          Quote: XXXIII
          If America returned Alaska to Russia, it would have had Soviet planes nearby, free of charge.

          Yes, no problem, as soon as Russia returns the money that it RECEIVED, so let it take it right away ...
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 8 May 2021 20: 59
            +2
            Quote: Fitter65
            Quote: XXXIII
            If America returned Alaska to Russia, it would have had Soviet planes nearby, free of charge.

            Yes, no problem, as soon as Russia returns the money that it RECEIVED, so let it take it right away ...

            No question, then all the gold that was mined and everything else, in Alaska, should be returned to its place. laughing
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 8 May 2021 10: 05
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        in the 1521st Center for Combat Use.

        Mary2
      3. Fitter65
        Fitter65 8 May 2021 12: 29
        -1
        Quote: Professor
        The USSR had its own "squadron of aggressors" in the 1521st Center for Combat Use.

        Quote: NIKNN
        Mary2
        Yes, they are relatives.
        In 1984, the MiG-23MLD entered service with the second squadron instead of the MiG-23M. The planes were camouflaged at the factory. The set of colors approximately corresponded to those described above, the side numbers are light blue with white edging.

        In 1987, the first squadron mastered the MiG-29. Their coloring was standard for this type of aircraft, side numbers were red with white piping.


        In Soviet times, all fighter regiments periodically flew there on their planes.
    4. XXXIII
      XXXIII 8 May 2021 09: 33
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      Let them buy export, welcome to Russia, to the Patrit Park. laughing Only not for green papers, but in gold, platinum will also go, diamonds, in extreme cases, you can pay with diclration of independence. We're not picky.yes hi
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 8 May 2021 12: 30
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        The US Navy announced the lack of fighters to simulate aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces
        from parade to parade, our "swifts" can drive you ... inexpensively.
  2. Peak
    Peak 8 May 2021 07: 09
    +5
    the US Navy squadron, which is called the "aggressor squadron", already lacks fighters that could mimic the aircraft of the "most likely enemy".

    Ahhh yes ...
    Is it that the Russian Aerospace Forces have grown so much, or the US Air Force has dried up so much that there is nothing to imitate the "Russian armada" with?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 May 2021 12: 34
      -2
      Quote: PiK
      the US Navy squadron, which is called the "aggressor squadron", already lacks fighters that could mimic the aircraft of the "most likely enemy".

      Ahhh yes ...
      Is it that the Russian Aerospace Forces have grown so much, or the US Air Force has dried up so much that there is nothing to imitate the "Russian armada" with?

      world circus ... it's all funny ... they have an average man like a sucker. everything is tied to the FRS ... what the fuck is the war, with whom, with villas? yeah. that's when the children of officials massively run from the west, I will definitely know this war. and so ... "vnutrivrakuvorot" for suckers.
  3. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 8 May 2021 07: 24
    0
    Poor things! They are no longer able to imitate! But what if, suddenly, an adult will have to! So it is not far from the leak in the lower sphere into the diaper area!
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 May 2021 08: 04
    0
    Transfer all f22 to the category of "potential enemy aircraft", and then you can shoot them down - for real!
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 8 May 2021 08: 24
    +2
    The US Navy announced the lack of fighters to simulate aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces
    Everyone has their own problems ...
  6. next322
    next322 8 May 2021 08: 42
    +1
    Give a command to Zelts and all the aircraft of the Naval Forces of Ukraine from Kulbakino will become real imitators ...
  7. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 8 May 2021 08: 52
    +1
    What a horror) poor sailors. They do not have enough planes. And which ones? VKS Russia imitate) all of them offend the poor Peacefully and with impunity do not allow to kill.
  8. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 8 May 2021 08: 59
    +1
    [/ quote] Equipping the F-16 for the needs of simulated air battles under the guise of Russian fighters [quote]

    A pitiful parody. What prevents us from buying the MIG-21 link from India at 100 lemons apiece (the price will "imitate" the Su-57).
    1. dedusik
      dedusik 8 May 2021 09: 26
      +1
      As an amateur, I will ask, what, the tactics of air battles between the United States and the Russian Federation do not differ?
      1. grandfather_Kostya
        grandfather_Kostya 8 May 2021 10: 37
        +1
        This can hardly be found out in battles against American pilots trained in American academies and sitting in repainted F-16s.
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 8 May 2021 12: 37
        +1
        Quote: dedusik
        As an amateur, I will ask, what, the tactics of air battles between the United States and the Russian Federation do not differ?

        the whole point is that the last air battles were in the last century, now, only in theory.
      3. dauria
        dauria 8 May 2021 12: 50
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        And what, the tactics of air battles between the United States and the Russian Federation do not differ?

        Sometimes new items appear, among the Jews they are found, and among the Americans too. This is probably something else. "Aggressor" is not a simple combat unit, where both young and old with different plaque and level. And the composition with strong training, flew away, having learned the techniques and tricks of group battles. Not a punching bag. Otherwise, the combatants would be enough - you will be blue, you will be red.
        And the planes - yes, they are all the same by and large. Why bother with other people's cars, maintenance, maintenance in good condition according to the documentation of the foe. Translators and spare parts alone will make a mess of it.
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 May 2021 09: 23
    +1
    Why imitate? Invite, we will fly up. laughing Although, then they will ask for money for their planes.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 8 May 2021 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: Captive
      Why imitate? Invite, we will fly up. laughing .

      No, they won't. They remember how Kharchevsky and Karabasov flew to them in Langley in SU-92UB in 27! yes
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 8 May 2021 10: 49
        +1
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        Kharchevsky with Karabasov

    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 May 2021 12: 38
      -1
      Quote: Captive
      Why imitate? Invite, we will fly up. laughing Although, then they will ask for money for their planes.

      How many hours have you flown? how is mikhan?
  10. dimy44
    dimy44 8 May 2021 09: 30
    0
    Chu, get a squadron of cornmen, paint stars on the wings, and train. You will tell everyone that all the planes of Russians are like that, bears fly on them with a bottle of vodka.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2021 10: 21
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    in the United States, "aggressor squadrons" consist mainly of American-made aircraft, which are repainted in colors used, for example, by the Russian Aerospace Forces.
    That asking for money is understandable. But it is not clear that the Americans do not have enough of their planes or the paint has run out?
  12. Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev 8 May 2021 10: 27
    -1
    We already do not have enough fighters that would allow us to carry out missions as imitation weapons of the enemy, his high-class fighters.
    Interestingly, they make up the military budget. Did you neglect depreciation?
    But I wonder what the reaction would be if they asked Sushki 35.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 May 2021 12: 44
      -3
      Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
      But I wonder what the reaction would be if they asked Sushki 35.

      the question is why? who will see "stars" on the radar? There will definitely not be a "dog dump", it is not for this purpose that the "long-range players" are doing it, so I think it's a huge budget to cut it "and that's it.
  13. orionvitt
    orionvitt 8 May 2021 12: 58
    0
    They'd rather think about simulating war. To bomb defenseless Yugoslavia, it's all a lot, and you throw yourself at Russia. It is clear that this is different.
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  15. val43
    val43 8 May 2021 14: 58
    -1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Several F / A-18 fighters were withdrawn from the US Navy, having exhausted their operational life. Among them, as it turns out, were fighters assigned to the same "aggressor squadron" of the US Navy. Now the squadron, as Vice Admiral Mustin reported to Congressmen, needs to be replenished with fighters "that could mimic modern enemy aircraft."

    Reread this paragraph more closely:
    Several F / A-18 fighters were withdrawn from the US Navy, having exhausted their operational life. Among them, as it turns out, there were also fighters assigned to the same "aggressor squadron" of the US Navy... Now the squadron, as Vice Admiral Mustin reported to the Congressmen, needs to be replenished with fighters "that could imitate modern enemy aircraft."
  16. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 8 May 2021 21: 04
    0
    planes from NATO countries and satellites are over! I'm glad good news for May 9 !!!!!!!!! Hooray!!!!!!
    ps and there is nowhere to take spare parts ...