"This is unacceptable for a NATO country": Portugal said that the Navy "is on the verge of collapse"

In the Portuguese press, referring to the former command, the state of the country's naval forces is being discussed.

It is noted that the country is a member of NATO, while the real contribution to security can now be talked about more formally. In the English-language edition of Portugal Resident, the columnist writes that the Portuguese navy "is on the verge of collapse."

From the material of the columnist N. Donn:

Only one of the five frigates is operational. The frigate "Vasco da Gama", which is considered the pearl of the Portuguese fleethas been at the Arsenal de Alfeite shipyard for the past four years, awaiting costly renovations.

This is the lead ship of the class of the same name, which has been in operation since January 1991. This is a frigate with a standard displacement of about 2800 tons. It was built in Germany. The length of the ship is about 116 m, the draft is 6,2 m.

Portuguese media note that the longer the ship is at anchor, the more difficult it will be to repair it and the more money will have to be spent on such repairs.

From N. Donn's material:

Navy maintenance problems have reached a critical point. Former commanders of the Portuguese Navy call the situation either critical or catastrophic.

At the moment, in the Portuguese Navy, only one frigate is recognized as operational. This is Álvares Cabral, which belongs to the above-mentioned Vasco da Gama class. The frigate "Bartolomeu Dias" was supposed to go to sea after repairs at the shipyard, but the dates were postponed. The fact is that during maneuvering it was rammed by a tug directly in the water area, which belongs to the shipyard. The frigate Francisco de Almeida is at a shipyard in the Netherlands. Moreover, as the Portuguese media write, the Dutch declare for a month in a row that the stage of repair is "final".

Former Chief of Staff of the Portuguese Navy M. Fragoso:

If nothing is done and if the budget parameters are maintained, then we will lose all our warships, we will be left without frigates, with an unusable fleet.

At the same time, it is added that even if we assume that the official Lisbon will significantly increase funding for the repair and modernization of warships, the problem will still not be solved in a short time, since Portugal is experiencing an acute shortage of ship repair specialists. Because of this, ships have to be transported to shipyards in other countries.

It was noted that, on the whole, such a situation is unacceptable for a NATO country.

Comments

[Alexander 3]

Well, apparently no one is intimidating Portugal with the Russian threat, and they don't even see it, then why constantly "scrub" their ships. They stand and do not bother anyone.

[Blacksmith 55]

They are afraid of two famous Russian saboteurs.

[fruc]

Routes of Russian SSBNs (in the future - Poseidon 2M39) to the Atlantic pass by Portugal.

[Real Pilot]

The era of the great geographical discoveries is over, the colonies no longer exist.
There are no real enemies ...
Budgets are not rubber ...
So they live!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: RealPilot

there are no more colonies.

Not at all. You don't read periodicals.

In the past, an influential Portuguese empire, today this country has only two overseas possessions in the Atlantic Ocean: the island of Madeira with a population of 270 and the Azores with a population of about 000.

Source: https://travelask.ru/blog/posts/9991-kolonialnye-imperii-do-sih-por-zhivy-v-sovremennom-mire-susc

[xorek]

in Portugal said the Navy "is on the verge of collapse"

Well, right for complete "happiness" Russia still lacked Portugal in the World Cup or BM Eh Europe ... What to do with you then ..?

[lucul]

Well, apparently no one is intimidating Portugal with the Russian threat.

But look - in the 2000s, our opponents loved to compare Portugal in terms of GDP with Russia. Here are just the army and navy of Portugal and not lying around in comparison with the Russian Federation.

[Sergej1972]

Probably in terms of GDP per capita. So the GDP of the Russian Federation, even during the crisis years, was many times larger than the Portuguese.

[lucul]

So the GDP of the Russian Federation, even during the crisis years, was many times larger than the Portuguese

In 1999, Russia's GDP is only $ 200 billion.

[Avior]

... Our opponents liked to compare Portugal in terms of GDP with Russia

Yes, no matter how much oppa

In order to achieve per capita GDP production at the level of modern Portugal or Spain - countries that do not belong to the leaders of the world economy - we will need about 15 years

1999, Vladimir Putin's policy article "Russia at the turn of the millennium"

[den3080]

But once the world was divided into 2 halves with the Spaniards. To the west - your half, and to the east - ours .... from the so-called "papal" meridian.
And practically no Englishmen, and even more so the Americans, were not confused under their feet.
And it was only some 530-540 years ago.

[Grits]

Quote: Alexander 3

Well, apparently no one is intimidating Portugal with the Russian threat, and they don't even see it, then why constantly "scrub" their ships. They stand and do not bother anyone.

Small European countries are so silly - why invest in expensive ships and weapons systems? It is enough just to be a NATO member. And then let America protect them.

[Maz]

Of course, I don't really understand, but when I opened the map I even wondered why such a small country like Portugal needs a powerful modern Navy? Moreover, Spain is a NATO member nearby. They have nowhere to put their money? Who are they going to fight with at sea? With Africa?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

"It was noted that, on the whole, such a situation is unacceptable for a NATO country." What does it mean unacceptable for a NATO country? Luxembourg and Slovakia don't meow! Gee-gee-gee!

[pyagomail.com]

In general, countries that are surrounded by enemies (for example, Israel), or those leading an active foreign policy, need to have a strong army and navy. Portugal does not fit any of these criteria. If only purely for show-off.

[Sergej1972]

Now the largest luzofonnaya country, the leader of the Portuguese-speaking world is Brazil, where people live twenty times more

[knn54]

-with reference to the former command.
The current command is not so preoccupied.
By the way, the Portuguese navy was created by King Dinis I on December 12, 1317 and is the oldest state-owned fleet in the world.

[rocket757]

Rejoice, no one will consider you a goal ...

[tlauicol]

“Cabral” I shot well the year before last in Madeira. And some of the Fluvefishken

[Vladimir61]

The world has not changed! In the evening, dollars are entered, in the morning experts appear, denouncing the articles and simply "indignant at the situation."

[Vladimir61]

PS - For several years, the Americans by hook or by crook, bribery and blackmail, but still managed to swing all their satellites for additional defense funding.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, well it is, there is at least one NATO country, if tomorrow it will be necessary to oppose our interests, in a single impulse, we will say we are ready to fall for the hegemon. I see only excuses, then the planes are not painted, then the ships are rusty or we are not ready at all. by nightfall, the aforementioned Stoltenberg alone on the front line will take the rap ?

[petrol cutter]

So what to do!?. What to do?..
The time is right now ...

[Prisoner]

Why do you need a fleet? Give money to retirees.

[Thrifty]

It's okay, the uk-royna generally has the main backbone of the pseudo-fleet of handouts from the US, there are countries with an even worse fleet, and they live!

[petrol cutter]

"Portugal is experiencing an acute shortage of ship repair specialists. Because of this, ships have to be transported to shipyards in other countries."
Here’s your grandmother and St. George’s Day.
It was noted that, on the whole, such a situation is unacceptable for a NATO country.
You never know what is not permissible. However, you have to.
Nikolaev professionals should be sent there on a business trip. They are one roll-in NaTo spar.
And so, and they denyuzhka, and Portugal - repair. Plus UA- Europe.
Such is the crisis business plan.

[Thrifty]

Quote: Captive

Why do you need a fleet? Give money to retirees.

You cannot recruit a crew of a battleship from pensioners in case of war. ..

[A. Privalov]

Portugal, even in the time of Salazar, did not have a strong army and navy. He observed strict neutrality until the 50s and built a state for his citizens as he understood it:

... We are against all internationalisms, against communism, against trade union freethinking, against everything that weakens, divides, dissolves the family, against the class struggle, against the atheists, against force as a source of law. We are against all the great heresies of our time ... Our position is anti-parliamentary, anti-democratic, anti-liberal and on its basis we want to build a corporate state.

And he built such a state ...

I visited Portugal a year before the pandemic. Of course, this is the real backyard of Europe, but .... There are practically no refugees there.
Moreover, the Portuguese do not refuse anyone, they say, please, come. Only you will not have any social network. Everything is according to the classics: "He who does not work, he does not eat" and all the poor fellows instantly go to rich France and Germany.

[Sergej1972]

But assimilados, that is, assimilated Africans from the colonies, could hold enough positions in the apparatus under Salazar, and not only in the colonies, but also on the territory of the metropolis. At least at the grassroots and middle level. And in mixed marriages with representatives of the Negroid race, they saw nothing shameful. That is, on the one hand, nationalism, on the other hand, racial tolerance. And when Brazil was a colony of Portugal, mixed marriages with the Indians were frequent.
In general, he was an interesting person. In my opinion, during the years of the premiership, I have never made a single visit to foreign countries. And even in the African colonies of Portugal I have never been. The most interesting thing is that formally, during the years of his long-term premiership, the heads of state were popularly elected presidents. But the real power was with him, the Prime Minister of Portugal.

[A. Privalov]

I remember that at the beginning of the 60s, the Portuguese Salazar in the USSR was called nothing other than a bloody executioner and dictator, but was depicted in caricatures in the form of a dog with a bloody ax in its paws. Actually, the Spanish Franco was called and portrayed in the same way. Only Salazar was painted thin, and Franco was fat, and on his head was a Spanish woman with a brush.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: A. Privalov

I remember

Privalov, again, kind and trusting members of the forum are misleading! To "remember" the years of the dictatorial regime, you must now be about 70 years old ...

in the early 60s, the Portuguese Salazar in the USSR was called nothing more than a bloody executioner and dictator

Who he was. We did the right thing.
WIKI:

April 25, 1974 insurgent troops led by the Armed Forces Movement overthrew the fascist government ("Carnation revolution"), the activities of political parties are allowed.

By approving the rule of dictatorial regimes in the Pyrenees, while condemning the Eun regime in the DPRK, approving the illegal retention of the Golan from the working people of the SAR, you are suitable in your moral and psychological qualities to join the Ukrainian Party "Freedom" ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Lara Croft

To "remember" the years of the dictatorial regime, you must now be about 70 years old ...

Madam, last year, I told you quite clearly that I do not want to communicate with you. You, with perseverance worthy of a better application, continue to drag after me literally from topic to topic, unsuccessfully trying to convict me of some sins known to you. And now, again, you are here with some ridiculous claims. Have you ever been told that it is not appropriate to molest unfamiliar men? Your harassment, madam, has already crossed all the lines of decency!
So, I am "about 70 years old."
I dare not detain you any longer, madam.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Yesterday, 23: 56
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Quote: Lara Croft
To "remember" the years of the dictatorial regime, you must now be about 70 years old ...

Madam, even last year, I told you quite clearly that I do not want to communicate with you. You, with perseverance worthy of a better application, continue to drag after me literally from topic to topic, unsuccessfully trying to convict me of some sins known to you. And now, again, you are here with some ridiculous claims. ...

In general, this is a public site, and not muddied for one of those trying to put themselves above everyone else. Less ambition, disrespectful, you don't have any advantages on this site. And if you don't like it, you will find the way yourself, because you know where to go.
And I'm sorry for Portugal)), I will cry and sob that she has such problems in the sun.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: aszzz888

In general, this is a public site,

It is for this reason that almost all of the above applies to you, my dear.
With Madame it's clear, women sometimes can be intemperate at their word, forgive them for this weakness. But you, a grown man grabbing the sex of strangers in a public place, look completely unworthy.
You, taking advantage of the busyness of the Administration and Moderators of the site, do this not for the first or even for the twentieth time. And not only in relation to me - you are rude, dirty, say nasty things to very, very many. I never answer you, and you, apparently, enjoy your complete impunity. Literally every your comment looks like a mockery and a bucket of slops on the heads of people who don't owe you anything.

I will continue to ignore your attacks, and the moderators, I hope, will give a proper assessment of your antics.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Yesterday, 07: 17

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Quote: aszzz888
In general, this is a public site,

It is for this reason that almost all of the above applies to you, my dear.
With Madame it's clear, women sometimes can be intemperate at their word, forgive them for this weakness. But you, a grown man grabbing the sex of strangers in a public place, look completely unworthy.
You, taking advantage of the employment of the Administration and Moderators of the site, ...

And when you, and your compatriots, in the likeness of some species of animals that the President of the Russian Federation recently reminded of - a professor, Krasnodar, etc., afalets - poison a forum member, for example, Maz! Well, okay, he is registered on the site! But what does HIS RELATIVES have to do with them, on whom you pour streams of dirt and bullying !? and at the same time not remembering the "employment of the Administration and Site Moderators"? Your color is too noticeable, under the white skin of a sheep.
I will continue to evaluate your posts, I hope the members of the forum will give a "proper assessment."

[Pissarro]

Interestingly, poor Portugal Salazar had a normal fleet with five modern destroyers at the head and a normal shipbuilding industry. And the presence of colonies on different continents required this fleet to operate in different parts of the ocean.
The current NATO member's fleet has rotted, the shipyards are abandoned, and the people have fled. Unemployment is 20%. What is the point of entering where fleets are being sunk, destroying the economy and putting a lot of people on benefits?
And this is the picture in every Western country. The collapse of the Bundesphere and the Royal Navy are the most colorful markers. Yes, and the overlord's army is now sharpened to drive the Papuans.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Pissarro

Interestingly, poor Portugal Salazar had a normal fleet with five modern destroyers at the head.

For sure, Portugal never had URO destroyers ...
All frigates for the most part were built at sunset of the XB, and their corvettes were generally 70s ...
However, neighboring Spain's affairs in the Armed Forces are not much better ...
In general, these two, well settled in the "Kamchatka" of Europe, no one has asked anything from them for a long time ... (they are happy), but in the 90s they still replaced the Anglo-Saxons in the Mediterranean with their ships when they left for the Persian bay ... to the war with Hussein ...

[tralflot1832]

Spain is still a fun country, the Basques are worth one thing. The Euros crushed them, and the people calmed down. Communicated with one pure Basque, at work for a whole year. Everything goes to the loot. The Basques were given money, but Barcelona (Catalonia) was not. Although all Spaniards, but the agreement is in dire straits .. The sacred, the royal family was swung, and in the 90s the Bourbon family was presented as a standard. On the front pages of the Spanish gzet were.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tralflot1832

Spain is still that cheerful country, the Basques are worth one thing.

There are still Catalans raging ...

In the 1980s, an underground group of militant youth, Terra Lliure, operated in Catalonia, which even managed to arrange several explosions, but after their self-dissolution, Catalan separatism poses no threat to those around it.

https://atlas.meduza.io/atlas/barcelona/feature/2016/08/18/stydnye-voprosy-o-katalonii
Angry people say that in general there is a high unemployment rate in Spain ...

[tralflot1832]

Both with those and with those he was on good terms. Everything is in the bubble, the money goes to Madrid, and he distributes it, in their opinion, is not fair. The terrorist attacks are terrible, only the towers of the blues surpassed them. Madrid railway station, and Santa Cruz de airport Tenerife! Are their goals worth such sacrifices? I have been to the Canary Islands four times, at the airport, the feeling that you are in the place of a terrible tragedy of the Spanish people has never left.

[avib]

I visited Portugal a year before the pandemic. Of course, this is the real backyard of Europe

I also traveled in Portugal in 19 for a couple of weeks. Of course, this is perhaps the poorest Western European country, but I would not call it a backyard. Everything is relative. Excellent highways, though paid and, apparently, almost empty, very decent service.
About 10 years ago I first visited Portugal - only in Lisbon - at a conference - I took a lot of taxi rides - taxi drivers complained about a difficult life and blamed it .... Salazar.

[notingem]

Poor, no money, why climb with a pig's snout in a Kalashny row

[izGOI]

I already wrote once, how during the exercises a Portuguese plane exceeded the sound barrier. So in parliament they were seriously indignant, they say, several roe deer escaped from the forest. So it is with the fleet.

[petrol cutter]

We also have pilots-raiders of the edge of the low fly. Especially on all types of helicopters. And designs.
The plaster is crumbled however. From parasites.
For something over the sea, they walk so beautifully! And the Kamovskys and Milevskys. Falcons are simple.
I would look and look. To hell with her with plaster ...

[Gueuze Ulenspiegel]

What great news.

[TermNachTer]

Cool))) Portugal (NATO) is wow, and Russia is fu - fu - fu)))

[Sergej1972]

Still, as an amateur, I do not understand much about the classification of warships. In my opinion, in Russia, the Vasco da Gama frigate with a displacement of 2800 tons would be considered a corvette.

[CommanderDIVA]

So, Portugal has no overseas territories for a long time, Brazil has long been sovereign, Mozambique and Angola are the same, there are only Cape Verde islands in the Atlantic, in my opinion, why do we need a fleet if you are a pro-American protectorate like everyone else in the European Union?

[Sergej1972]

The Cape Verde Islands are independent, it is the independent Republic of Cape Verde. At one time it had a single ruling party with Guinea-Bissau, also a former Portuguese colony, but they never united into one country, and even subsequently quarreled.

[YOU]

Yes figs with them the Portuguese Navy. Their sadness is a concern. Today the flag was raised and Kazan was officially accepted into the Russian Navy. Hurray-Hurray-Hurray

[Anachoret]

and on the rammed tug there were also two sellers of sports nutrition from Russia?)))

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: RealPilot

there are no more colonies.

Not at all. You don't read periodicals.

In the past, an influential Portuguese empire, today this country has only two overseas possessions in the Atlantic Ocean: the island of Madeira with a population of 270 and the Azores with a population of about 000.

Source: https://travelask.ru/blog/posts/9991-kolonialnye-imperii-do-sih-por-zhivy-v-sovremennom-mire-susc

I agree with you, there are several islands left. But there is no need to fight for them, this is an attavism of its former greatness.
I'm talking about the departure of the colonial era. With governors-general, hanging pirates on yards, sea voyages of ship armada, marque certificates ...
Now it is no longer relevant! Just a "NATO member country" and the EU, without its own brain and ambitions.

[Turist1996]

"So, yeah, great! Immanuel Gideonovich, the steamer is already leaving!" (c) "Election Day"
What have I got to do with it ?!

[Petr Vladimirovich]

A modest power these days, but the diving and surfing on the shore is really cool! Go, guys, you won't regret it ... By the way, Salazar is remembered sincerely, like the Argentines of Peron ...

[Revolver]

They will not take, you see, country 404 to NATO. Compared to their navy, the Portuguese have everything in chocolate.

[Basarev]

Why do NATO countries need their own armed forces? With much greater benefit, they could send their military budgets entirely to the States. And everyone will be fine: the Americans will be able not to fight with Congress and not cut funding, allocating just as much as the military needs. Thanks to this, it will turn out to dramatically increase the military power of the United States, which will be enough to reliably protect the vassals.

[aslanxnumx]

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