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The US military will not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle falling to Earth

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The Chinese launch vehicle Long March 5B, also called Changzheng-5B, which has been unsuccessfully launched into orbit, is expected to fall to Earth on or around May 8 or 9. Naturally, during such a long time interval, it is still impossible to determine at least an approximate place of its fall.


Italian astronomers from The Virtual Telescope Project have posted the first photo of a rapidly falling rocket. At the time of filming, she was at a 700-kilometer height.

The US military will not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle falling to Earth

According to Reuters, the Chinese side assures that most of the debris of the rocket will burn up in the atmosphere, and the rest will fall either in an area remote from people or into ocean waters. Thus, the rocket does not pose a danger.

Deutsche Welle reports that the US Armed Forces are monitoring the object's behavior. At the same time, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said that the US military would not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle falling to Earth.

We can do a lot, but now we do not intend to bring it down.

- he said, hinting at the negligent attitude towards the work of Chinese specialists.

The launch of the base module of the PRC space station took place on April 29. For this, a 22-ton heavy carrier rocket "Changzheng-5V" was used. After entering the orbit of the "main" stage, it suddenly began to gradually decrease, and now everyone is anxiously awaiting its return to Earth.
Photos used:
https://twitter.com/ChinaEUMission, https://www.virtualtelescope.eu/
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 May 2021 13: 40
    +43
    We can do a lot, but now we do not intend to bring it down.
    Such an eloquent statement may indicate that there is not much and not quite you can.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 7 May 2021 13: 45
      +19
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It means not much and not quite you can

      Rather, "you can't" at all ... Knockers, however ... laughing
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 May 2021 13: 50
        +17
        the US military will not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle
        why embarrass yourself ..
        1. Serpet
          Serpet 7 May 2021 15: 57
          +26
          Well, since they won't shoot down, then we won't lol
          1. Michael67
            Michael67 7 May 2021 18: 09
            -6
            Serpet: "Well, since they won't shoot down, then we won't either."
            Why don't we? And if it doesn’t fall apart and burn, and wherever it will fall on our serious object? Just right to counter it with Nudol or Prometheus. Or even some thread I love that was not included in the message to the "partners". Let's practice at the same time.
          2. Pathos
            Pathos 7 May 2021 23: 07
            -4
            if necessary, you have to PARADE WILL BE HELD IN ANY WEATHER good and there, behind the scenes, Lavrik will figure it out, the uncle is not small, he can kick stumps in the ass laughing
      2. knn54
        knn54 7 May 2021 14: 14
        +8
        Something anecdote remembered:
        “An enemy airplane appeared over the field. Chapaev and Petka rushed into the bushes. The pilot did not notice them and flew away.
        - Thank God, it did, - said Petka.
        - Me too, - confessed Vasily Ivanovich "...
      3. frruc
        frruc 7 May 2021 15: 01
        +10
        The US military will not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle falling to Earth

        Or maybe it will fall right on the Pentagon or on the White House. It would be cool.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 7 May 2021 15: 16
          +5
          Quote: frruc
          Or maybe it will fall right on the Pentagon or on the White House. It would be cool

          Or maybe it was conceived? )))
          1. frruc
            frruc 7 May 2021 15: 20
            +1
            Then the booster had to be stuffed with liquid shit. negative
        2. den3080
          den3080 7 May 2021 17: 02
          +2
          Quote: frruc
          The US military will not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle falling to Earth

          Or maybe it will fall right on the Pentagon or on the White House. It would be cool.

          This is precisely the point, I suppose.
          That is:
          1. And they can't shoot down (get hit), the chances of getting fancy are great.
          2. Where will the debris fall if it still succeeds ... not to shoot down, but to hit?

          But it is necessary to povyyzhivatsya, for the arrogance of the world hegemon does not let him keep quiet, he is directly bursting with cries to croak.
    2. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 7 May 2021 15: 17
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      We can do a lot, but now we do not intend to bring it down.
      Such an eloquent statement may indicate that there is not much and not quite you can.


      Perhaps they could have knocked her down, i.e. damage so that she could not fly and fall. But she is already falling.
      In theory, it would be necessary to have something that destroyed it into small fragments.
      And the Americans probably don't have this.

      As a result, many things can but cannot.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 7 May 2021 20: 50
        +7
        Quote: Pandiurin
        Perhaps they could have knocked her down, i.e. damage so that she could not fly and fall. But she is already falling.

        There are two problems:
        1. There is no beacon on the Chinese launch vehicle, which the AMs installed on their targets ...
        2. The Chinese woman falls, tumbling, randomly changing her descent trajectory ... Therefore, an almost "maneuvering" target ... So try to hit such a "bullet in a bullet" - there is not enough computing power of the missile defense system ... to calculate the point of meeting with a tumbling piece of iron ... You can be disgraced, however ... And this is definitely NOT ICE!
        (I foresee some clever remarks about tumbling the "body" in a vacuum ...
        But there is a rotational-translational trajectory of this "body", where the center of magnitude and the center of gravity appear ... Therefore, one should not talk about friction and its influence on the process ...)
        AHA.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 May 2021 17: 28
      +2
      At the same time, the main thing is to make a smart face and puff out your cheeks harder))) although this would be a good advertisement for their anti-satellite systems. However, not destiny)))
    4. zenion
      zenion 8 May 2021 19: 13
      +1
      Correctly say! We would have given him more, but he could not catch up with us.
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 May 2021 13: 43
    -1
    Let the Chinese catch with a butterfly net)
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 May 2021 13: 44
    +5
    And what is the failure of the launch? The base module of the PRC space station in the calculated orbit? Or this news from the series, only the United States, a country of developed democracy, whose president is elected by mail, successfully conducts space launches. Why will they not shoot down? The PRC did not resolve! Yes and there is no American beacon on the Chinese second stage!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 7 May 2021 13: 56
      +7
      Well, the exit stages are constantly falling uncontrollably with the performance. Here are gifts from Falcon.



      The uniqueness of this is that a really heavy piece with high saturation is flying. That is, many pieces will not have time to collapse, burn out and collapse to the ground. However, again, the chance that someone will fall on the site is less than from a meteorite.
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 May 2021 13: 46
    +2
    We can do a lot, but now we do not intend to bring it down.

    Of course they do not intend to, because the Chinese did not put a targeting bug there ...
    Recently, NATO representatives have unleashed their tongues, though strictly according to the methodology and in the absence of logic.
  5. spirit
    spirit 7 May 2021 13: 46
    +2
    Yes, the whole point is that there New York falls under the orbit of falling wassat So the States are getting nervous (The inclination of its orbit is 41,5 degrees, cities such as New York, Madrid and Beijing fall into the area of ​​possible fall.) hi
    1. For example
      For example 7 May 2021 13: 54
      +2
      What is a fall orbit? request
      1. slipped
        slipped 7 May 2021 14: 18
        +15
        Here's a map, you can play tic-tac-toe laughing The area of ​​the fall is shown in yellow:

        1. spech
          spech 8 May 2021 07: 02
          +1
          [/ quote] [quote = slipped] Here is a map, you can play tic-tac-toe laughing The area of ​​the fall is shown in yellow:


          Then the "sea battle" hi
    2. grandfather_Kostya
      grandfather_Kostya 7 May 2021 14: 11
      +8
      I see only one meaning to "knock down" a dead piece of iron: to scatter the debris wider, so that when falling on N.Y. all districts got a piece without offense.
      1. mark2
        mark2 7 May 2021 14: 36
        +1
        scatter the debris wider, so that when falling on N.Y. all districts got a piece without offense.

        Exactly as miners in asteroid fields would say: turn one big asteroid into a bunch of small ones.
  6. NDR-791
    NDR-791 7 May 2021 13: 49
    +4
    Is that true ???
    during such a long time interval, it is still impossible to determine at least an approximate place of its fall....
    The Chinese side assures that most of the debris of the rocket will burn up in the atmosphere, and the rest will fall either in an area remote from people or into ocean waters.
    And more about shooting down. This is how it means that both those debris and theirs fall on the hail on the hill wassat
    1. slipped
      slipped 7 May 2021 19: 04
      +7
      Quote: NDR-791
      Is that true ???


      Most likely the second. According to calculations, the object can enter the Earth's atmosphere at night Moscow time on May 9 over the Pacific Ocean.



      The object is steadily losing its orbital altitude. During the day of observation of the stage, its apogee decreased by another 18 km and is 267 km, and the perigee - by 3 km to 156 km.
  7. pytar
    pytar 7 May 2021 13: 50
    +1
    I don’t understand whether the station itself is in the calculated orbit or not? Who is falling? Booster, I guess they mean 2-stage ?? or the station itself? request
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 7 May 2021 14: 07
      0
      pytar, written by RN. But who knows? According to the article, the Chinese are experiencing uncontrollable hypersound, so the Balkans should not relax. wink
      1. pytar
        pytar 7 May 2021 14: 27
        -2
        Chinese hypersound, so hyper-unpredictable that no one should relax. The Chinese themselves are in tension when the launches! yes
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 7 May 2021 14: 33
          +1
          The colleague above, spirit, wrote that the trajectory of the fall of the fall is New York, Madrid and Beijing. Is Madrid that far from Sofia?
          1. pytar
            pytar 7 May 2021 15: 55
            -1
            Thank you! Shas looked. BG outside the zone is obtained. As I understood from the comments, we are talking about a 2-stage? The station itself is already in orbit, it is not entirely clear whether it is calculated or deviated ?!
    2. Kosh
      Kosh 7 May 2021 21: 51
      +3
      The station is in the calculated orbit, the spent stage is falling. It's just that the step is big, for the CZ-5B, only the side accelerators are separated at launch, and the central unit takes the entire payload to the LEO.
      1. pytar
        pytar 7 May 2021 23: 24
        0
        Thanks for the info! hi The situation has cleared up!
  8. Guru
    Guru 7 May 2021 13: 51
    -1
    At the time of shooting, she was at a 700-kilometer altitude.
    Maybe all the same at a 70-kilometer altitude. 700 is too much. The ISS is located at 400 km.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 May 2021 13: 54
      +2
      At 70 more atmosphere, it would have already dropped. If I understand correctly, this is an accelerating stage, she could easily jump 700 km.
      1. Guru
        Guru 7 May 2021 14: 00
        -2
        At 70 more atmosphere, it would have already dropped. If I understand correctly, this is an accelerating stage, she could easily jump 700 km.
        she would not have returned from 700 kilometers. But at 70 it is not yet the stratosphere.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 7 May 2021 14: 08
          +3
          Why wouldn't you come back? If the orbit is elongated, it can slow down on the atmosphere at perigee and fall. What actually happens.
          Although I'm wrong, the latest data from Roscosmos on the 6th:
          Over the past day, the altitude of the orbit of the carrier stage at the apogee decreased by 18 km to 258 km, at perigee - by 3 km to 159 km. According to preliminary calculations, the object can enter the Earth's atmosphere on the evening of May 8, 2021, the exact time and coordinates of the entrance will be clarified no earlier than a day before the event.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 7 May 2021 14: 22
        +1
        Quote: Wedmak
        At 70 more atmosphere, it would have already dropped. If I understand correctly, this is an accelerating stage, she could easily jump 700 km.

        If you look from the Earth, then 70 is "more", and if from space, it is "already". The theory of relativity however ... wink
  9. Kushka
    Kushka 7 May 2021 13: 56
    +1
    The Chinese intended it to be so.
    2 in 1. And the module was successfully withdrawn.
    And the USA place was shown - look
    they say, what will happen, if that.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 18: 49
      -2
      And the USA place was shown - look
      they say, what will happen, if that.
      And at the headquarters of NORAD they played at the temples ...!? tongue
  10. sabakina
    sabakina 7 May 2021 13: 58
    +10
    We can do a lot, but now we do not intend to bring it down.

    Lecture at the medical institute. The professor asks the students: - What is the name of a man who “wants” but “cannot”?
    Students in chorus:
    - Impotent.
    - And what is the name of a man who can, but does not want?
    There is deathly silence in the audience. Suddenly a squeaky
    vote:
    - He's a bastard.
  11. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 7 May 2021 14: 14
    +4
    We may or may not, but we definitely don’t want to get shit, so we won’t be like. Here is a real target for checking missile defense, but you can see it is more difficult than a target with a transmitter.
  12. Grits
    Grits 7 May 2021 14: 41
    -6
    We wish we had such bad luck - for the Russian booster module to fall, frightening the Americans. But at the same time, the station module successfully launched into orbit. Eh, it only remains to dream ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 May 2021 14: 45
      +1
      Yeah, yeah ... otherwise these insane people have little reason for sanctions and chorus accusations of the Russian Federation for any sins ...
  13. HAM
    HAM 7 May 2021 14: 46
    +1
    Sometimes it's better to remain silent than to speak .....------- "There is a lot we can do, but we are not going to bring her down right now."
  14. mark2
    mark2 7 May 2021 14: 46
    +1
    For this, a 22-ton heavy carrier rocket "Changzheng-5V" was used. After entering the orbit of the "main" stage, it suddenly began to gradually decrease, and now everyone is anxiously awaiting its return to Earth.


    What's so little? The launch weight is 837 tons. This is probably a payload? Seem to be.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 May 2021 15: 10
    +2
    bully They will not shoot down. Yeah, of course. They will not be able, it will be more correct.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 May 2021 15: 21
      0
      Quote: Captive
      They will not shoot down. Yeah, of course. They will not be able, it will be more correct.

      But it is interesting Well, purely theoretically ... You can not shoot down, but with a shot at this "remnant" push it ... into deep space?
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 7 May 2021 16: 24
        +1
        You won't be able to push away, you need to do this in orbit and gently, equalizing the speed and then giving acceleration in the desired direction.
      2. Kasym
        Kasym 7 May 2021 16: 24
        0
        You can "push away" by towing.
        In fact ... the speeds there are huge, so it will turn out ... a bunch of debris in orbit. hi
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 7 May 2021 17: 02
        0
        If you hit, then you can probably push. Nobody canceled the law of conservation of momentum. But not into deep space, because the laws of universal gravitation and conservation of energy were not canceled either. hi
  16. Kars
    Kars 7 May 2021 15: 12
    +6
    I will not beat you either.
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 7 May 2021 16: 23
      +3
      Can this be considered an official statement? Then my application will be next in line .. I will not knock down either
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 7 May 2021 17: 03
        +2
        wassat Can I not shoot down? Once.
  17. Evil 55
    Evil 55 7 May 2021 15: 39
    0
    But can they at all?
  18. NF68
    NF68 7 May 2021 15: 48
    -2
    Is it so that the Chinese, as a gesture of "goodwill" in return, do not shoot down an American missile that is taking off?
  19. bar
    bar 7 May 2021 16: 00
    +3
    Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the US military would not shoot down a Chinese launch vehicle that was falling to Earth.

    We can do a lot, but now we do not intend to bring it down.

    And it is right. And then suddenly miss, that will be a shame laughing
  20. Klingon
    Klingon 7 May 2021 16: 05
    -1
    Quote: Free Island
    They just can't, that's all. If our meteorite was shot down over Chelyabinsk, because they can, and then there is a possibility that Chinese iron may fall on New York, but the Americans say they will not shoot down this, what does it mean ?? That they cannot.

    Who shot down the meteorite? you? were you personally a gunner? or Zhirinovsky? - this pebble entered the earth's atmosphere at a speed of 60-70 km / s. Well, how did they shoot down this hypersonic object mmm? S-700 Zhirinovsky? wassat
    1. lucul
      lucul 7 May 2021 18: 33
      0
      this pebble entered the earth's atmosphere at a speed of 60-70 km / s

      Where does this data come from?
      30 km / s - the third cosmic speed, it allows you to reach orbit and Neptune with Uranus.
      And then 70 km / s - he would have flown out of the solar system long ago.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 18: 37
      0
      this pebble entered the earth's atmosphere at a speed of 60-70 km / s
      hmm, so it's not hypersonic speed, and not even the third space speed ... laughing And if, my memory serves me right, there are no systems of kinetic interception or energy impact, in this range of speed characteristics, on this planet (as long as possible, before the first Star War ... winked ), therefore they do not knock down ..., only from science fiction writers and futurists and in the future! yes
  21. xorek
    xorek 7 May 2021 16: 19
    -2
    Well, they praised the Chinese .. But they are stubborn people.
  22. KCA
    KCA 7 May 2021 16: 19
    0
    Of course they will not, how they can shoot down something whose ballistic trajectory was not set initially and not calculated 100500 times, fire 100 interceptor missiles, the launch of which will be detected by the Russian Federation, and, possibly, China, which the Russian SPRN is making, and not hit, means crap all over the world, you just can't
  23. Stepan S
    Stepan S 7 May 2021 16: 21
    0
    In short, the Americans have been beating show-offs for a week and filling their own worth, but they are not able to shoot down the debris of the rocket, since they do not want to disgrace themselves again. But the main thing is to pedal the topic and say that everything is under control and they are senior here.
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 9 May 2021 19: 58
      0
      Ours, in the event of a miss by the Americans, would tactfully keep silent wink
  24. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 7 May 2021 16: 51
    +2
    I hope the Chinese have calculated the trajectory correctly and only the Pentagon will suffer?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 18: 33
      -5
      I hope the Chinese have calculated the trajectory correctly and only the Pentagon will suffer?
      unmotivated, you have a sweetest .., and there, too, live people work, which after the shift are waiting for family and friends !? And if, Moscow or St. Petersburg, then other thoughts would be .., but at least Nizhny Novgorod with Surgut?
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  26. aries2200
    aries2200 7 May 2021 17: 19
    +1
    of course not ...
    1-no knock ...
    2-miss-shame on the hegemon
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 18: 30
      -3
      of course not ...
      1-no knock ...
      2-miss-shame on the hegemon
      Still, you are wrong ... there is something that will not allow large fragments of Chinese launch vehicles to "miss" in the already aeroballistic flight mode, but why now spend taxpayers' money, after all, the United States is a stupid and poor country on its continent, not that, what others because of the Ocean !?
  27. Intruder
    Intruder 7 May 2021 18: 27
    +1
    used a 22-ton heavy carrier rocket "Changzheng-5V".
    I only noticed a joke in this line !? lol
  28. Split
    Split 7 May 2021 19: 53
    -2
    Eh, the Chinese are like a monkey with a grenade, I hope my house will not fall
  29. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 May 2021 20: 07
    0
    This is all Americans - how to scare and puff out their cheeks, so they have what opportunities they have, and how to help by doing, they are blown away instantly.
  30. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 7 May 2021 20: 48
    -2
    What does it mean to shoot down ???. This is the property of the PRC. I think that's how they rate this piece of metal. hi
  31. Klingon
    Klingon 7 May 2021 21: 14
    -1
    Quote: lucul
    this pebble entered the earth's atmosphere at a speed of 60-70 km / s

    Where does this data come from?
    30 km / s - the third cosmic speed, it allows you to reach orbit and Neptune with Uranus.
    And then 70 km / s - he would have flown out of the solar system long ago.

    this is not a man-made device, so the speeds are slightly different. This object flew in, hell knows where and how many gravitational loops it made around other planets or the sun, thereby accelerating until it hit the earth's trajectory at such an angle where it hit its gravitational field like a net
  32. Kosh
    Kosh 7 May 2021 21: 44
    0
    The article contains one blunder after another.
    First, it is not the rocket that falls, but the spent stage of the launch vehicle.
    Secondly, the rocket was launched quite successfully and put the base module of the station into the intended orbit. Everything worked properly and as planned.
    Thirdly, the used stage began to decrease not suddenly, but as it should be according to the laws of physics. After the rocket has placed the payload into orbit, the spent stage without fuel is simply uncontrolled space debris that gradually descends and eventually falls to Earth. That is, there is nothing unusual in this, this is the norm for space launches.
    In this case, the Western media raised all the hype for the reason that this new Chinese launch vehicle CZ-5B uses the so-called "one-and-a-half" scheme and when the payload is put into orbit into space, an entirely large and heavy central unit is sent to space. Accordingly, all fears are that when it leaves orbit and burns in the atmosphere, more unburned pieces may fall to the Earth than when other current rockets are launched. But in general, this hype contains more hype and anti-Kyatyan propaganda.
    1. aries2200
      aries2200 7 May 2021 22: 01
      -1
      I completely agree with YOU ..... the press is just making a fool of the people ..... or the press is left to work only nerds
  33. shadow
    shadow 8 May 2021 00: 49
    0
    Because they will not be able to shoot down.
  34. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 8 May 2021 05: 12
    +1
    They just can't bring her down! The US has a missile defense at -3! And they do not want to show their powerlessness to the whole world! Only single copies were shot down!
  35. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    0
    ***
    You see flies by
    An asterisk rocket
    And this is a good omen ...
    ***
  36. Eugene 1475
    Eugene 1475 8 May 2021 07: 12
    +1
    That would be ours to experience 500ku. It's a shame far from our territory!
  37. Basarev
    Basarev 8 May 2021 13: 13
    0
    A very wise political move. It is beneficial for the states that it fell in as large pieces as possible, and preferably in crowded places. Numerous live casualties will greatly undermine the credibility of Chinese astronautics. Foreign investors will certainly leave it for such an occasion. Or maybe this will be only the first step towards the complete withdrawal of all foreign investors from China, which plays into our hands. China must be poor and underdeveloped.
  38. Sistemnik
    Sistemnik 8 May 2021 15: 47
    -1
    Quote: Intruder
    I hope the Chinese have calculated the trajectory correctly and only the Pentagon will suffer?
    unmotivated, you have a sweetest ..,

    But yours is clearly motivated. smile
    and there, too, living people work, which after the shift are waiting for family and friends !?

    ... who are planning to kill me?
    And if, Moscow or St. Petersburg, then other thoughts would be .., but at least Nizhny Novgorod with Surgut?

    Yes, others, because it is a threat to our cities. Which, to this topic, generally no sideways.
  39. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 8 May 2021 20: 31
    0
    Quote: Systemist
    Quote: Intruder
    I hope the Chinese have calculated the trajectory correctly and only the Pentagon will suffer?
    unmotivated, you have a sweetest ..,

    But yours is clearly motivated. smile
    and there, too, living people work, which after the shift are waiting for family and friends !?

    ... who are planning to kill me?
    And if, Moscow or St. Petersburg, then other thoughts would be .., but at least Nizhny Novgorod with Surgut?

    Yes, others, because it is a threat to our cities. Which, to this topic, generally no sideways.

    Enough here already, both ours and yours are tracking in full !!! no one will knock down a trifle after combustion in the atmosphere, God forbid anyone's head. USA already wrote - hello to Turkmenistan
  40. Maximilian37
    Maximilian37 9 May 2021 00: 22
    +1
    Why shoot her down at all? It falls, no other missile can force a change in the course of a ballistic fall. Fall control only. Well, except that annihilators have already invented laughing
  41. Lynnot
    Lynnot 9 May 2021 08: 26
    0
    Why knock her down if she is already falling?