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On the issue of unification: harmful myths about Russia, Ukraine and Belarus

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On the issue of unification: harmful myths about Russia, Ukraine and Belarus

The first myth: "Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are brothers forever"


The bloody split of the Russian people in 1917 and the fierce struggle of the Bolsheviks against "great-power Russian chauvinism" over the past 100 years led to the formation on the territory of the once united Russia of a whole bunch of artificial state formations and "peoples": "Russians", "Ukrainians" and "Belarusians" , to which for many decades they have been actively trying to add more “Cossacks”.


To smooth over this artificial division, they are often referred to as "fraternal" or "branches" of the same people. But the strategic vector, from 1917 to the present, remains clear, rigid and unchanged - the very idea of ​​a single Russian people is prohibited (open or tacit) in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. For example, the "Immortal Regiment" and St. George's Ribbon are prohibited not only in Ukraine (by law), but also in seemingly "fraternal" Belarus (behind the scenes).

Periodically, Vladimir Putin recalls a single people, but he expresses his opinion not as the head of state, but exclusively as a private person: the president does not initiate any official documents or proclamation of a policy to unite the Russian people. The second one who at least sometimes stutters about a single people is Belarusian President Lukashenko. But here everything is even simpler: “Old Man” remembers this only to receive another package of free economic aid from Russia, after which it pours out on the Kremlin a new portion of grievances, claims and demands.

And if in Russia Russians rightly perceive themselves as the heirs of their great ancestors and honor their past, then the Ukrainians, Litvinians, and some of the Russians, brought up on a dirty wave of Russophobia, fear and hatred, are ready to fiercely defend their mythical origin. ... To look back and understand that only some 100 years ago we were one people with one language and culture, many of them are simply lazy. Although in fact there is much more hidden fear here, since historical justice about a single people breaks the myth, comfortable for them, about their exclusivity and belonging to "civilized Europe" in spite of "terrible, barbaric, unwashed and eternally drunk Russia."

As a result, over the past hundred years, several generations of Russian people have grown up who take their "Russianism", "Ukrainianness" or "Lithuanianism" for granted. By definition, they cannot be a single whole, for they were originally created by the enemies of the Russian world precisely as “not brothers”. The events in Donbass have shown this perfectly. The Ukrainian army has repeatedly carried out punitive actions in the Donbass, not tormented by the remnants of conscience and calmly killing Russian women, children and the elderly.

The second myth: "Ukraine is a burden for the West"


For the West, Ukraine is not a burden or a suitcase without a handle, which is hard to carry and is a pity to abandon. Yes, after the Bandera coup in 2014, Ukraine received over $ 10 billion in loans and military aid. But for some reason, no one pays attention to another fact - during the same time (2014-2021) the Western financial monster “sucked” at least $ 100 billion from Ukraine (this figure was announced by the personal lawyer of former President Trump Rudolph, who is closely involved in the “Ukrainian issue”) Giuliani).

Half-impoverished Ukraine, through the sale of everything and everyone, as well as insane tariff and tax levies from its own population, fully pays to the West for previously taken loans and interest on them. In addition, after 2014, multinational companies gained access to unique Ukrainian chernozems for growing their GMO products, thereby turning the “404 country” into an agrarian appendage that brings huge profits.

In addition, for many years Ukraine has been purchasing "European" gas, American, South African and Australian coal, American nuclear fuel and diesel locomotives, Polish trams and many other Western products at exorbitant prices. It should also not be forgotten that traffickers in human organs, children and prostitutes make good money in Ukraine. Europe received a huge flow of cheap Ukrainian ostarbeiters, and Western companies received the same cheap highly qualified specialists.

The overall benefits to the West are clear. Even Adolf Hitler was unable to efficiently siphon money and resources from occupied Ukraine.

The third myth: "Ukraine is about to fall apart under the weight of internal and external problems, after which the Ukrainians will come to their senses and establish normal relations with Russia."


Ukraine will continue to rapidly die out and live in poverty, but never will not fall apart and will not collapse. This is not beneficial to the West (they do not want to lose a strategic foothold in the underbelly of Russia and end the civil war between the Russians), nor capitalist Russia (the Kremlin has shown many times that it is not ready to take responsibility for restoring the already devastated Wild Field with a duped and clearly hostile population). Even in the event of an open aggression by the Ukronazis in Donbass or Crimea, Russia will never agree to the destruction of the state "Ukraine" for the reasons described above.

The task of the military defeat of the Bandera regime and the unification of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into a single state is up to only the Russian world, since it has an ideology of the future - the restoration of a single Great country and a forcibly divided people on the basis of social justice. But power in Russia (from 1917 to the present day) is not in the hands of its representatives, which means that the situation of a bloody deadlock in Donbass, Belarus and Ukraine will last for many more years.

The fourth myth: “Lukashenka and Belarus are our reliable ally”


The author of this article has lived in Belarus for several years. Having arrived there as a staunch supporter of the "Russian statesman" Lukashenko, he left there in complete disappointment with this person and the Russophobic policy of "Lithuanianism" and "soft Belarusization" pursued by him.

Let's make an important reservation right away - Lukashenka follows his country much better than our government does. This can be seen already at the border. On one side - well-groomed villages, excellent roads, cleanliness and order, on the other - as if the Great Patriotic War is still going on. Only our Belgorod region can argue with White Russia in this regard.

At the same time, for almost 30 years of his reign, Lukashenko conducted the same zombie session with the Russians of White Rus as in Ukraine: he hammered into the heads of many ordinary people (especially young people) a hidden fear, contempt and hatred of everything Russian. A huge part of the Belarusian society and political elite, while calmly communicating in Russian, politically considers themselves “Lithuanians” or “Belarusians”. They plan to continue to receive gifts from Russia in the form of oil, gas, markets for their products, but at the same time they want to remain independent and live "like in Europe."

That is, there is the same manifestation of hatred and Russophobia as in Ukraine. We are, they say, "Europeans", and you Russians are drunkards, Finno-Ugric and, in general, Asians. Lukashenka directly stated this in another fit of frankness, calling the “Belarusians” Russians with a quality mark. And who, then, is the remaining 100 million for him - second-class people? And the statement of the “ally” that the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 “these are not our wars” sums up all the many years of Lukashenka’s chatter about “alliance” and “brotherhood” with Russia.

After the events of 2020 in Minsk, even the Kremlin realized that Lukashenka is a temporary and extremely unreliable companion who, in order to preserve his personal power, is capable of turning his policy 180 degrees in an instant. But so far we have to put up with this, choosing the lesser of two evils.

Fifth myth (main): the Russian leadership dreams of restoring a united country and is taking steps to implement this strategy


I hasten to disappoint: there is no strategy, no intentions, no steps. Since its political birth in 1991, the Russian leadership has never (!) Taken effective measures to protect the rights of Russians, or, as it likes to put it, Russian-speakers. Even in the CIS countries, where all the levers of an economic and political nature are available for this.

The murders of Russians and their genocide of varying degrees of intensity, the displacement of the Russian language, culture and media in the former "fraternal" republics leave the Kremlin completely indifferent. Everything the Russian leadership is doing is an expression of "concern" or "deep concern." In the same Ukraine, small Hungary is fighting to the death for its compatriots in Transcarpathia, while Russia has actually left tens of millions of Russians to their fate, forced to live under the Bandera occupation, linguistic and national terror.

The example of the Crimea does not count. Since the main motive of the Russian leadership in the reunification of the peninsula with the historical homeland was not the protection of the Russians (in this case, they had to be protected in Donetsk, Kiev and Odessa), but the military and image factor - Sevastopol should not have turned into a NATO base.

Even uniting Russia and Belarus into a single state turned out to be beyond the power of the Kremlin.

Conclusion


In conclusion, we would like to note that, speaking about the real state of affairs without subterfuge and embellishment, we firmly believe that it is never too late to unite the country.

In Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, a huge number of people still feel that they are one people with a common language and culture. But this requires statesmen to come to power (and not hucksters and separatists, as happened in 1917 and 1991), who, after many decades of division and destruction, will launch the reverse process of unity and creation.

We should also not forget the instructive examples for us of the unification of Italy, Germany, France or Russia during the period of its feudal fragmentation.
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  1. military_cat
    military_cat 11 May 2021 12: 17
    +50
    The problem is not that the peoples on the Russian borders are avoiding Russia because of the imposed Russophobia, but that Russia does not offer an attractive picture of a common future.
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 May 2021 12: 34
      +27
      1. Well, of course, the author pinned all the blame on the Bolsheviks, there were no others.
      2. If Moscow would pursue a policy that attracts other peoples, as it was with socialism, then yes. And so no one wants an alliance with the country 3 of the world in decline.
      3. Now information is rapidly spreading around the world and the neighbors know perfectly well how the Russian people live and what situation they are in.
      4. And they have their own Deripaska.
      1. Anachoret
        Anachoret 11 May 2021 12: 42
        +6
        The Trotsky case lives on and wins right on the script of Colonel House. What Austria-Hungary could not do with the fictional character Shevchenko of this year was finished off in 1917 by sent Cossacks from overseas. And, unfortunately, in 1991, the same Cossack women took power in Russia.
        Now the rooster has pecked that the mentality of the local kings will always be implanted locally in the context of Russophobia (direct or restrained). In the spirit of "now we will live, only we will get rid of the Russian yoke." In Ukraine, the people have long understood that this formula is for nagging honest workers, but so far they cannot do anything.
        Sadly, time heals, but Russia does not show a healthy and attractive alternative either.
        1. credo
          credo 11 May 2021 14: 09
          -15%
          Quote: Anchorite
          ... Regrettably, time heals, but Russia does not show a healthy and attractive alternative either.

          And you can carry on your inference about an unhealthy and unattractive Russia beyond reproaches.

          Imagine that tomorrow Russia has become that healthy and attractive alternative from which even the entire Western and "civilized" world is delighted and indescribable envy.

          What do you think the same Lukashenko and Zelensky will do if Russia calls for the restoration of a single state?
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 11 May 2021 14: 51
            +18
            Quote: credo
            What do you think the same Lukashenko and Zelensky will do if Russia calls for the restoration of a single state?

            Who exactly will call?
            For some reason, when it comes to the Russian world, everything immediately becomes somehow impersonal and vague. No one can even say what it is - the Russian world. And the author of the article also suffers from this uncertainty:
            The task of the military defeat of the Bandera regime and the unification of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus into a single state is up to only the Russian world, since it has an ideology of the future - the restoration of a single Great country and a forcibly divided people on the basis of social justice. But power in Russia (from 1917 to the present day) is not in the hands of its representatives.

            Can you name at least one representative of the Russian world?
            And what is meant by social justice? Will the oligarchs be dispossessed? Will they return public property? Free education and medicine? ???? - and a bunch of other questions that require answers.
            Otherwise, everyone will have their own "Russian world" in their heads and it will be almost impossible to come to an agreement with each other.
            An example is the fragmentation of the pro-Russian forces in the LPNR in 2014-2016. When each commander understood the phrase "people's republic" in his own way and acted practically alone. So they were shot one at a time.

            It is impossible to make attractive what no one really understands.
            1. credo
              credo 11 May 2021 14: 55
              -11%
              Quote: Hlavaty
              For some reason, when it comes to the Russian world, everything immediately becomes somehow impersonal and vague. No one can even say what it is - the Russian world.

              As they say, I told him about Thomas and he told me about Erema.
              Do you have anything related to my answer?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 11 May 2021 15: 24
                -11%
                From the terrible and wild illogical conglomeration of delirium with rare splashes of truth, I guess, perhaps, who is the author of this opus.
                But the idea of ​​uniting Russia, Ukraine and Belarus is quite sensible!
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 May 2021 18: 17
                  +1
                  and in what exactly? and in what form and within what boundaries and for what purpose?
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 11 May 2021 18: 24
                    -3
                    Quote: Barberry25
                    and in what exactly? and in what form and within what boundaries and for what purpose?

                    I will not decide. My opinion: federation (new! laughing ), within the existing boundaries, because the branches of one people.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 11 May 2021 18: 26
                      -10%
                      those. in fact, Russia should unite everyone at its own expense ... well ... but what's the point? well, except for the idea of ​​some kind of "Russian mira" .. what is the point? what should change for the citizens of Russia? I personally see some disadvantages, no pluses I see from the word at all
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 11 May 2021 18: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        I personally see some disadvantages, I don't see any advantages from the word at all

                        There are several anecdotes about how people see differently... You are one of those who "does not see" and "does not want to see". Explaining is useless. Good luck to you!
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 May 2021 18: 49
                        0
                        so you explain) .. And it turns out: wow, you are so and so, you do not believe in our holy idea .. let me go out! .. Tell me why Russia should spend 50 trillion rubles in 15 years on "helping fraternal peoples"? And not this is your "explaining it is useless" ... For me, it's easier to invest the same 50 trillion in Russia and calmly place those who want to obtain citizenship than to spend on everyone, so that "they don't live richly and don't need to get used to it, but on the other hand, a handful "...
                      3. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 11 May 2021 18: 57
                        +2
                        If you are not a provocateur and really do not understand, then I could explain everything to you thoroughly, having spent the evening on you. But I am not Mother Teresa to explain to all the lazy people of the Internet that they are too lazy to look for themselves. In short: there will be no spending, everyone can and should provide for themselves. And to strengthen, increase the power of Russia. Russia only needs to want and help change the government, to take them under its wing. Everything. Farewell.
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 May 2021 19: 04
                        0
                        yes yes yes yes ... tales about a gray bull, that Ukrainians are sitting with Belarusians and only dreaming of living in the same country with Russia ... you are not mother Teresa, you are writing stupid corny things ...
                      5. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 11 May 2021 19: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        you write stupid things ...

                        Militant ignorance always thinks that everyone is stupid! lol
                      6. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 May 2021 19: 46
                        0
                        laughing well, enlighten ... and then besides "the peoples of Ukraine and Belarus only dream of joining Russia and strengthening and multiplying the power of Russia" I did not hear ... but this is in fact an utter game ... the same Belarusians are not against "allied relations "when you cut coupons and" all brothers ", but against joining ..
                      7. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 11 May 2021 19: 51
                        -3
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        so enlighten

                        Enlighten? Or maybe you also need to dance? No, Fedya, just flog! For what? For laziness. For stupidity.laughing
                      8. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 11 May 2021 20: 12
                        0
                        laughing Well, beat yourself up for the lack of justification, but don't complain to me) otherwise the Belarusians are asleep and see joining Russia for the sake of a theoretical increase in pension of 500 rubles ..
                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 11 May 2021 20: 31
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                  tales about a gray bull, that Ukrainians are sitting with Belarusians and only dreaming of living in the same country with Russia ..

                  Where are you from Barberry25?
                3. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 May 2021 20: 41
                  +1
                  laughing not from Ukrlandia, but do not worry ... But I have already grown out of pants "everyone dreams of increasing the power of Russia" and if you set the task "Russian World" then be so kind and conduct an economic feasibility study, describe the necessary resources and payback periods ... fairy tales about "this is how we will all live together and how we will spoil" - leave this nonsense to kindergarten
                4. Alex777
                  Alex777 11 May 2021 20: 42
                  +2
                  Poorly to answer the question directly?
                5. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 11 May 2021 20: 58
                  -2
                  laughing hmm .. the circus left, but the clowns stayed, I look .. Well, what will the knowledge that I live in Russia give you?
                6. Alex777
                  Alex777 11 May 2021 21: 06
                  +5
                  As a resident of some Lithuania, you reason.
                  So I asked. I have no more questions. bully
                7. PROVINCIAL
                  PROVINCIAL 12 May 2021 09: 45
                  +2
                  Barberry writes on the case: What is our government doing for its country? Where does the money go? Where are the roads? Why is gasoline getting more expensive, and with it other goods? They attacked the person. Give Pan Rush to you. First, you need to put things in order in your country. Ask me where I live. In the city of military glory !! Sorry for the harshness.
                8. Alex777
                  Alex777 12 May 2021 11: 02
                  +4
                  What is our government doing for its country?

                  A lot of things. But "there are no prophets in their Fatherland." Alas.

                  Where does the money go?

                  If you want to know, there is a lot of information.

                  Where are the roads?

                  Not even funny. I constantly drive along M-4 Don. They made a freeway better than any American one out of a country road. The Moscow - Peter track has also changed a lot. You can't even compare. Etc., etc.

                  Why is gasoline getting more expensive, and with it other goods?

                  Pay attention to how many trillions the States have printed to raise their economies from covid. If I am not mistaken - about 7. And how many goods and oil there were and remained. So they are getting more expensive. Inflation.
                  Look what with international logistics due to the coronavirus - everything is destroyed. An ordinary sea container used to cost $ 700, and now from $ 10000. Such a deficit has developed. This also applies to the price of all goods.
                  I can cite a lot. See what lockdowns around the world ?! You, apparently, simply do not understand their consequences, if you accuse our authorities of the rise in prices. We are going through this pandemic smartly. I've been vaccinated. All relatives are doctors. And I will never understand those who say that this should not be done.
                  If gasoline rises in price (because of the States and emissions, not least), then everything that is transported on cars also becomes more expensive. It is obvious?
                  We are embedded in the global economy.
                  To return to the self-isolation of the USSR, it is necessary to do what Barberry25 opposes. wink

                  First, you need to put things in order in your country.

                  What do you mean by order?
                  In which country, for example, is there no organized crime?
                  It is possible to be an idealist, but it is harmful. hi
                  I am the head of an international structure.
                  My acquaintances from the States, Britain and France are emigrating to Russia. Austria and Germany.
                  Both those who used to leave (like me) and those who were born in these countries. The reason is that Russia is the only country in which there is order.
                  Of course you won't believe me, but the next 3 years will show everything. And he who has eyes, let him see.
                  30 people who have lived in Los Angeles and have been living in Moscow for 2 years directly say that Russians do not understand and do not appreciate what they have. hi
                9. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 12 May 2021 12: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Alex777
                  30 people who have lived in Los Angeles and have been living in Moscow for 2 years directly say that Russians do not understand and do not appreciate what they have.

                  just as the inhabitants of the USSR did not understand their benefits ...

                  for me, you are throwing beads before ...
                  ps
                  do you work in logistics?
                10. Alex777
                  Alex777 12 May 2021 12: 59
                  +2
                  I read your comments with interest. wink
                  Logistics is part of the tasks that specially trained people solve for me. bully
                  for me, you are throwing beads before ...

                  I disagree. Not everyone, like me, has lived in the States for almost 10 years.
                  Not everyone communicates with the right, informed people. It’s not their fault. I help them as much as I can. hi
              2. PROVINCIAL
                PROVINCIAL 13 May 2021 10: 30
                +1
                The key word in your comment is "in Moscow". Is there life outside the Moscow Ring Road? It's nice to ride on the highway, I agree. I am also the head of the international structure. I have Uzbeks, Armenians, Ukrainians and even Moldovans. I was vaccinated with GamCovidWak, so what ?. The question remains. Industrial production is stagnating (only statistics are not needed)) I agree, infrastructure shifts have begun. But very slow, too slow. The problem is local corruption. In response to your comment about the order, I will ask: Do you know how companies engaged in the housing and utilities sector work? And this is a question that concerns every inhabitant of our country. I think - distantly. Take the time, go to your ZhKO, uk, tszh, etc., It will be an opening for you and a topic for an article))) No thanks are needed.
              3. Alex777
                Alex777 14 May 2021 14: 17
                +1
                Is there life outside the Moscow Ring Road?

                Apparently there is, since you wrote:
                I am also the head of the international structure

                I was vaccinated with GamCovidWak, so what?

                You are well done. Protect yourself and others from yourself, as I do. wink

                Industrial production stagnates ...

                I agree, infrastructure shifts have begun.

                Yes. We live in a difficult time. But the entire population of the Earth is faced with these problems.
                And we also have strong sanctions pressure.
                I was annoyed by the goofs from the State Duma, who at first giggled that they did not notice the sanctions. I felt the sanctions almost immediately.
                However, I believe and am confident that Russia will prosper, and our enemies will “simply die” ((C) GDP).
                It is necessary to pass the test - we will pass. I don't like whiners. yes

                For your comment about the order, I will ask:
                Do you know how companies working in the housing and utilities sector work?

                You're right. In this area, many monsters have gathered.
                We must actively help the leadership to improve the situation on the ground.
                You personally, what did you do for this, since it bothers you so much? wink
              4. PROVINCIAL
                PROVINCIAL 15 May 2021 14: 30
                -2
                Thanks for your reply. Streamlined wording is the hallmark of a commentator who is not capable of parrying. Continue. I am looking forward to your next pearls. So many words, and not a single answer to the point !!! I applaud while standing)) How dear you are to me)))
          2. vadimtt
            vadimtt 14 May 2021 13: 09
            +2
            By the way, yes, people always do this - they do not value what they have now - and it cannot be eradicated. hi
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 12 May 2021 13: 43
          +1
          not quite so .. there are a lot of things .. here we are talking about something else .. Suppose we return the same Ukraine to our home .. The question arises that 1) we will have to meet them in terms of economic development, 2) we will have to pay their debts .. Those. even with the most conservative estimates, it will be necessary to invest about 15-20 trillion over the next 15 years .. At the same time, at best, we will jointly develop at a rate of 2-3% of GDP per year .. Ie. the same as now ... At the same time, tales about "but they could live in the EU" will continue. I am not against the idea of ​​the Russian World and the return of Ukraine and Belarus to Russia, but they need them to want to. when thinking about Russia, they should not think "the Caucasus, war, poverty", but "they have a pension and a salary 5 times at least more than we have now." And for this it is necessary to develop the economy and it is better to invest these additional 15-20 trillion rubles to the Russian economy.
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 13 May 2021 12: 07
          0
          when thinking about Russia, one should not think about "the Caucasus, war, poverty", but "they have a pension and a salary 5 times at least more than we have now." into the Russian economy.

          Investing trillions in the Russian economy sounds beautiful.
          But production makes sense when there is demand.
          Demand generation is a separate, very complex topic.
          Foreign markets are all very protective and difficult to break through.
          Of course, I would prefer measures to develop the domestic market. But even here there are enough of their difficult problems.
          As for the unification of Russia and Ukraine and Belarus, it is not only expenses, but also the expansion of the domestic market.
          We have a very severe shortage of qualified labor force. Etc., etc.
          Whatever difficulties arise in the united state, it has much more development prospects than each country separately. It is not just that the states are creating alliances and partnerships around the world.
          And the issue in Crimea would be closed for the West completely. wink
        4. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 May 2021 15: 11
          -2
          the problem is that such a market in the classic "let's get together and panic" will be very expensive for us .. And at this stage it is easier to launch the "Russian roots" program in a normal way, it will attract exactly those who are interested in moving to Russia and will much cheaper than all in a crowd 30-50 million "return" .. About the products here everything is simple, without large investments, nothing will come of it, so you have to invest, the goal is to start import substitution with subsequent entry into the markets .. I repeat, the principle is to unite first, and then it will be more expensive, more difficult to invest .. and oddly enough longer .. Why? Because in ANY case it will be at the expense of Russia, therefore, real growth will be postponed for those same 15 years of stabilization .. And the question arises .. what's the point?
        5. Alex777
          Alex777 13 May 2021 18: 25
          0
          it is easier to launch the "Russian roots" program in a normal way, it will attract exactly those who are interested in moving to Russia

          This is not an option.
          Moving millions - do you understand what these costs, problems, non-rubber cities with all their infrastructure are not designed for such an expansion, and so on? bully

          I repeat, the principle is to unite first, and then it will be more expensive, more difficult to invest ... and oddly enough longer ..

          Do you have an economics degree?

          in ANY case it will be at the expense of Russia, therefore, real growth will be postponed for the same 15 years of stabilization.

          Wrong.
          2/3 of the problems of the Ukrainian economy are caused by the loss of the Russian market. We also have enough problems from interrupted cooperation with enterprises on the territory of Ukraine.
          We can say that the failure to update the fleet because of this. There are many other examples.

          It is trite if we are returning Ukraine now, then we will have to put half of our enterprises on a diet, because we will have to invest in Ukrainian enterprises ..

          Wrong.

          We'll have to trite to cut Tupolev and Ilyushin alive for the sake of Antonov ... The same UVZ will have to be cut for the sake of saving Kharkov ...

          You won't have to. Absolutely.

          It is one thing when WE create economic superiority and they will ask us, and another thing is when we create everything TOGETHER .. in fact, there will be old dances about "Ukraine will live fine when it stops feeding the maskals" ..

          This, I apologize, is manilovism. hi
          It is better to win a war and develop a country together.
        6. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 May 2021 18: 58
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          1) these are the expenses for the development of the country
          2) Not so big, especially if you build the circuit correctly.
          3) "Ukraine's loss of the market in Russia" .. and it turns out that after 10-15 years of restructuring, we will need to hit our industry again for the sake of supporting Ukraine "?
          4) about "you are wrong" - please argue, not words like "I know best" ..
          about "manilovism" - you can call it what you want, but just recently there was a poll in the same Republic of Belarus on "do you want to go to Russia?" - the majority answered that they did not want to, because any task should have a specific one. award..Belarusians do not see any actual improvement from joining Russia..Therefore, until the base is created, all calls for "let's live together" are the proposals of yesterday's drunk who just stopped drinking to create a joint venture ... sounds beautiful, but causes doubts ... and yes ... once we unite, then it is necessary not only to tighten Ukraine and Belarus, but also most of the other republics, but exactly what in terms of "they must prove and want" ... This is in terms of the market ..
        7. Alex777
          Alex777 13 May 2021 19: 02
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          The question of having an economic education remained unanswered. Not surprising.
          I asked it for a simple reason - if it were, you would not write what you write.
          I cannot replace your institution or lack of relevant life experience.
          Sorry if something is wrong. hi
        8. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 May 2021 19: 05
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          laughing 1) I have elements of economic education ".. but you also did not answer my questions ... So let's not" I know better ", but argue, otherwise it turns out that you are rather weak, in principle, understand the question. About" what time the move will cost "already made me laugh ..
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      2. PROVINCIAL
        PROVINCIAL 14 May 2021 10: 17
        +1
        Project "Ukraine" The maximum program is a bridgehead against Russia, including Crimea. The medium program is what it is now. The minimum program is to leave Ukraine in a state of ruin for Russia. 20 years is a generation. Forget pooling. Economics education will not help you here. Sociology and history are now to help you.
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 14 May 2021 11: 58
        0
        winked therefore, it is optionally easier to lure adequate 5-10 million citizens over 20 years to move to Russia.
  2. Barberry25
    Barberry25 13 May 2021 15: 12
    0
    It is banal if we are now returning Ukraine, then we will have to put half of our enterprises on a diet, because we will have to invest money in Ukrainian enterprises ... And this is not necessary for nothing ... We will have to corny cut Tupolev and Ilyushin for Antonov's sake ... cut for the sake of saving Kharkiv ... And the most important point is a separate one ... It's one thing when WE create economic superiority and they will ask us for help, and another thing, when we create everything TOGETHER ... in fact, there will be old dances about "Ukraine will live fine when it stops feeding the maskals. "
  3. NEOZ
    NEOZ 12 May 2021 11: 56
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    not from Ukrlandia, but don't worry ..

    exactly from there !!!!
    Quote: Barberry25
    if you set the task "Russian World", then be so kind and carry out an economic feasibility study, describe the necessary resources and payback periods ...

    1. "Russian world" is a project that unites all Russian-speaking and / or Orthodox people (countries) with a common border with the Russian Federation (not a prerequisite, but desirable), creating a synergy effect in the economy and cultural life while minimizing bureaucratic obstacles.
    2.resources - all economically active people from item 1 + equipment / technology / infrastructure of countries from item 1
    3. The payback will be immediate, because costs are minimal.
    .
    ps
    Quote: Barberry25
    And fairy tales about "this is how we will all live together and how we will spoil" - leave this nonsense to the kindergarten

    I recommend the university specialty state and municipal administration
    and there will be fewer similar questions.
  4. Barberry25
    Barberry25 12 May 2021 14: 01
    -1
    sit down 2, for there are no tasks, no economic justification)
  5. NEOZ
    NEOZ 12 May 2021 14: 19
    +1
    Quote: Barberry25
    sit down 2, for there are no tasks, no economic justification)

    I repeat:
    Quote: Barberry25
    I recommend the university specialty state and municipal administration
    and there will be fewer similar questions.
  6. Barberry25
    Barberry25 12 May 2021 14: 27
    -1
    laughing that's what I'm talking about .. what you wrote, a filkin letter in the style of "how we get together in a bunch, how we get laid!" ...
  7. NEOZ
    NEOZ 12 May 2021 14: 45
    +1
    Quote: Barberry25
    that's what I'm talking about .. what you wrote, a filkin letter in the style of "how we get together in a bunch, how we get laid!" ...

    Do you understand the word synergy?
  8. Barberry25
    Barberry25 12 May 2021 15: 06
    -2
    laughing but you probably didn’t ..
  9. NEOZ
    NEOZ 12 May 2021 15: 33
    +1
    Quote: Barberry25
    but you probably didn’t ..

    what am I not? ... what do you mean?
  10. Barberry25
    Barberry25 12 May 2021 16: 29
    -2
    wink to the fairy tales about "synergy" .. I'll reveal the secret "let's get together in a bunch and zapanuyu" .. this is also synergy .. but for some reason it is not so beautiful than a scientific term ..)
  11. NEOZ
    NEOZ 14 May 2021 11: 50
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    to the fairy tales about "synergy" .. I'll reveal the secret "let's get together in a bunch and zapanuyu" .. this is also synergy .. but for some reason it is not so beautiful than a scientific term ..)

    do you treat all scientific knowledge with suspicion?
  12. Barberry25
    Barberry25 14 May 2021 11: 59
    0
    laughing Yes, no, I mean that poking clever terms everywhere does not mean to succeed ... Otherwise, the states would not collapse ..
  13. NEOZ
    NEOZ 14 May 2021 12: 40
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    I mean that poking clever terms everywhere does not mean to succeed ... Otherwise, the states would not disintegrate ..

    I see no connection between smart terms / success / decay ......
  14. Barberry25
    Barberry25 14 May 2021 13: 30
    0
    this is to say that terms without argumentation-populism
  15. NEOZ
    NEOZ 14 May 2021 13: 46
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    a project that unites all Russian-speaking and / or Orthodox people (countries) with a common border with the Russian Federation (not a prerequisite, but desirable), creating a synergy effect in the economy and cultural life while minimizing bureaucratic obstacles.

    isn't that argumentation?
  16. Barberry25
    Barberry25 14 May 2021 17: 11
    0
    no .. from a word at all .. 1) unification on what conditions? a banal fit under a single bureaucratic apparatus will become a big problem .. because "we are equal", therefore, everyone will be pulling the blanket. 2) the same story with the economy: at whose expense will Ukrainian factories develop with limited demand? Correctly, at the expense of Russian enterprises ... that is. the theoretical benefit in the future will come later, but the losses are already now ..
  17. NEOZ
    NEOZ 14 May 2021 17: 30
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    a banal fit under a single bureaucratic apparatus will become a big problem .. because "we are equal", therefore, everyone will pull the blanket over themselves.

    Are there big problems in the Russian Federation between regional enterprises?
    Quote: Barberry25
    the same story with the economy: at whose expense will Ukrainian factories develop in the face of limited demand?

    at the expense of the customer, of course!
    Quote: Barberry25
    those. the theoretical benefit in the future will come later, but the losses are already now ..

    completely wrong!
    the benefit will be right now (there is no need to replace Ukrainian products) !!! and in the future it will also lead to a synergy effect !!!!
    ps
    Without going into the scientific jungle, I will give an example:
    competitive aircraft in 1903 was made by 2 engineers., competitive aircraft could be produced by almost all countries of the world.
    Competitive aircraft in 2021 are produced in cooperation by more than 5000 enterprises, competitive aircraft are produced by 1-3 countries of the world.
    the more technologically advanced the products, the more people (economic ties) are needed, and the population of the country, of course. accordingly, for greater independence of the country from the outside world, a larger number of high-quality people is simply needed.
    the EU can be cited as an example of a successful unification.
  18. Barberry25
    Barberry25 14 May 2021 18: 00
    0
    laughing and here Ukraine and Belarus are "regional enterprises" and operate in a single legal field? "At the expense of the customer" .. Only the development of ANY union requires funds, and since Russia is drowning for the "Russian World", the main burden will fall on Russia .. in other words, you will have to "ditch" your enterprises "a little" in order to support Ukrainian ones .. .Touches about "and in the future it will lead" ... and "there is no need to replace" .. apparently you were not told about the finiteness of demand .. and about "competitive aircraft" .. Yeah, and I see Antonov makes half of the hull, Ilyushin the second half corps, and Tupolev collects it all ... And yes .. to cite the EU as a "successful example" .. this is an indicator of your low level of development .. or about how the Greeks ditched, for example, the production of oil for the sake of the Spaniards, only the lazy did not write ... A trivial example: VTA-now in Russia the brainchild of Ilyushin is considered the main transport aircraft, and the IL-76 was actively ordered after the failure of the An-70 order ... therefore, if Ukraine is returning now, then an order for the An-70 must be made, hence Ilyushin, who invested a lot of money in the deployment of production of the calculation of up to 10 boards per year goes through the forest and, in the best case, it will keep the current 3 boards per year ... and then if you are lucky ... or attention ... VTA Russia is limited in the number of boards ... But you have fairy tales about synergy and Eu..ha
  19. NEOZ
    NEOZ 15 May 2021 13: 47
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    and here Ukraine and Belarus are "regional enterprises"

    will be as regional in the development of the project!
    Quote: Barberry25
    Touches about "and in the future will lead" ... and "there is no need to replace" .. apparently you were not told about the finiteness of demand .. and about "competitive aircraft" .. Yeah, and I see Antonov makes half of the hull, Ilyushin the second half of the hull , and Tupolev collects it all ...

    in fact, neither Antonov, nor Ilyushin, nor Tupolev assemble airplanes ... they barely raised IL76 ... but with cooperation they would make both AN, IL, and TU !!!!! this is the synergistic effect !!!
    Quote: Barberry25
    this is an indicator of your low level of development ..

    I have inferences according to your level of development, but I will refrain from dubbing, perhaps.
    Quote: Barberry25
    A trivial example: VTA-now in Russia the brainchild of Ilyushin is considered the main transport aircraft, and the IL-76 was actively ordered after the failure of the An-70 order.

    and analogs are also needed for VTA: AN2, AN12, AN24, AN124 and others ... instead of joint production, the Russian Federation is forced to revive old projects of sounded aircraft, the same thing in the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy ...
  20. Barberry25
    Barberry25 16 May 2021 22: 35
    0
    laughing that's why I say ... that it doesn't smell like a mind ... you know one term, you poke around everywhere, but about what he doesn't know ... I don't see the point in talking with a dim-witted person
  21. NEOZ
    NEOZ 17 May 2021 11: 27
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    that it doesn't smell like mind here ..

    on what basis are such conclusions?
    What's your education? what experience in the field of economics?
  22. NEOZ
    NEOZ 15 May 2021 14: 14
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    And yes .. to cite the EU as a "successful example" .. this is an indicator of your low level of development .. or about how the Greeks ditched, for example, the production of oil for the sake of the Spaniards, only the lazy did not write ...

    oil is not a high-tech product .... you do not want to see the Russian Federation as a great agrarian power?
    tell me which country produces the eurofighter typhoon fighter?
  23. NEOZ
    NEOZ 15 May 2021 14: 17
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    But you have fairy tales about synergy

    Here's an article about synergy on the contrary (i.e. degradation and loss of competencies):
    https://topwar.ru/182908-chto-poterjala-rossija-v-ukraine-chto-ukraina-poterjala-v-rossii.html?yrwinfo=1621077300247076-1632123988536174995000164-production-app-host-man-web-yp-320
  24. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 13 May 2021 17: 54
    -2
    Quote: NEOZ
    1. "Russian world" is a project that unites all Russian-speaking and / or Orthodox people (countries) with a common border with the Russian Federation (not a prerequisite, but desirable), creating a synergy effect in the economy and cultural life while minimizing bureaucratic obstacles.

    It is not clear why you think that there will be a synergy effect with Russian-speaking oligarchs, bankers, hosts of Echo of Moscow, navalnists and the like.
    Or are they supposed to fly to Mars together with Elon Musk?

    Quote: NEOZ
    2.resources - all economically active people from item 1 + equipment / technology / infrastructure of countries from item 1

    Who owns the resources? Oligarchs. Do you think they will share with you? It's naive.

    Quote: NEOZ
    3. The payback will be immediate, because costs are minimal.

    I would like to see, albeit approximate, but the calculations. And then conversations about payback and costs without numbers immediately remind Bender's speech about New Vasyuki.

    Well, if you call the "Russian world" a project, then you would like to look at the project documentation, and not run your finger in the air.
  25. NEOZ
    NEOZ 14 May 2021 17: 41
    -1
    Quote: Hlavaty
    It is not clear why you think that there will be a synergy effect with Russian-speaking oligarchs, bankers, hosts of Echo of Moscow, navalnists and the like.

    the family has its black sheep, but this does not mean that everything is in the family!
    Quote: Hlavaty
    Who owns the resources? Oligarchs. Do you think they will share with you? It's naive.

    they are already sharing with us !!! Can't you see the number of cars priced at 1-3 million? rubles? - they are not driven by oligarchs !!!!
    Quote: Hlavaty
    I would like to see albeit approximate, but the calculations.

    it is like asking the coach of the children's sports section for an approximate time frame for obtaining the title of MC for a beginner to engage in a child.
    but I will give you an example from my comment:
    Quote: Hlavaty
    Without going into the scientific jungle, I will give an example:
    competitive aircraft in 1903 was made by 2 engineers., competitive aircraft could be produced by almost all countries of the world.
    Competitive aircraft in 2021 are produced in cooperation by more than 5000 enterprises, competitive aircraft are produced by 1-3 countries of the world.
    the more technologically advanced the products, the more people (economic ties) are needed, and the population of the country, of course. accordingly, for greater independence of the country from the outside world, a larger number of high-quality people is simply needed.
    the EU can be cited as an example of a successful unification.
  26. Pensive Lawyer
    Pensive Lawyer 13 May 2021 18: 41
    0
    Unfortunately, I cannot agree.
    The population of our neighbors wants to live like Europe. Not how they live in Russia. Voluntarily saying goodbye to this stupid (everyone in Europe will share a piece with them to their detriment, they have already stood in line) they will not be a dream. And we do not have African countries in debt bondage to maintain the European standard of living, while being with a number of patriarchs at the helm, out of touch with reality.
    We don't need them either. You will not be lovely, they will want to think for themselves.
    As long as we have the only ones who call their homeland a "third world country", with great intelligence they put a sign of equality between the standard of living of citizens with the position of a power in the world arena, no one will want to join us, except for desperate situations.
    Personally, I am more in favor of joining some Kenya to us than Ukraine. They are even ready to plow for a bright future, and do not suffer from the complex that everyone owes them.
  27. NEOZ
    NEOZ 14 May 2021 17: 47
    0
    Quote: Pensive Lawyer
    The population of our neighbors wants to live like Europe.

    more precisely, they want to live as they think they live in Europe!))))))))))
    Quote: Pensive Lawyer
    And we do not have African countries in debt bondage to maintain the European standard of living,

    in the same place the countries of Latin America! but the United States.
    Quote: Pensive Lawyer
    While we have the only ones who call their homeland "a third world country"

    well, maybe it's neighbors))))))))
    Quote: Pensive Lawyer
    At least they are ready to plow for a bright future, and do not suffer from the complex that everyone owes them.

    difficulties with Kenya ... with all due respect to Kenya, we will not be able to create effective economic ties with Kenyans due to the language barrier, educational level, cultural level, mentality, etc ... we will just get a Kenyan ghetto. ..I think so...
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  29. NEOZ
    NEOZ 16 May 2021 00: 40
    0
    Quote: patriot on line
    You are wrong, Ukrainians and Bulbashi do not want to live like they do in Russia

    Are you Ukrainian or Bulbash?
    Quote: patriot on line
    they want it like in Poland.

    the standard of living in the Russian Federation is equal or higher than the standard of living in Poland ...
    Quote: patriot on line
    There is no attraction for ordinary people in life in Russia.

    Yes, Russophobic propaganda is effective!
    Quote: patriot on line
    There are no prospects for many reasons.

    can you voice it?
  30. your1970
    your1970 15 May 2021 10: 44
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
    In short: there will be no spending, everyone can and must provide for themselves. And to strengthen, increase the power of Russia. Russia only needs to want and help change the government, to take them under its wing. Everything

    It was already ... in 1945 ... in Germany ...
    They changed power and took it under their wing ... Allies under their own and we under ours.
    AND???
    Remember - what happened next?
    And then everything is simple - both in the FRG and in the GDR it was necessary invest - loot and resources.And quite a lot ... and for us and our allies ..
    The Germans themselves could not do this, even in spite of all the measures of influence ..
    What makes you think that now, after the military force has removed the power in the country 404 - they will be able to do it WITHOUT the infusion of funds and resources from the Russian Federation?
  • dog of war
    dog of war 15 May 2021 21: 01
    0
    Why are you Russians constantly wanting to live with someone? After all, they lived together for a long time. Isn't it time to live separately from each other?
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 05
    -3
    Quote: Civil
    1. Well, of course, the author pinned all the blame on the Bolsheviks, there were no others.

    Was it the Bolsheviks' fault or not?
    Quote: Civil
    2. If Moscow would pursue a policy that attracts other peoples, as it was with socialism, then yes. And so no one wants an alliance with the country 3 of the world in decline.

    socialism was so attractive that the countries of the socialist camp in the first case became capitalist ... hahahah))))))))
    Is Russia a country of the 3rd world? you are delusional ...
    Quote: Civil
    3. Now information is rapidly spreading around the world and the neighbors know perfectly well how the Russian people live and what situation they are in.

    and how? give statistics of comparison with other countries, let's speak in detail!
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2021 13: 35
      +7
      Yes, in terms of salaries, for example, and the level of the middle class for the president of 15 thousand rubles, this is the country of the third world.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 14: 06
        -5
        Quote: Kronos
        Yes, in terms of salaries, for example, and the level of the middle class for the president of 15 thousand rubles, this is the country of the third world.

        give a link to the source
        Give examples of the countries of the 3rd world comparable to Russia!
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 May 2021 14: 31
          +5
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2020/03/18/825601-srednii-klass
          https://www.vesti.ru/finance/article/1271926
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 11 May 2021 14: 54
            -8
            Quote: Kronos
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2020/03/18/825601-srednii-klass

            the article is nothing ... Putin said something there ... but the author does not think so ...
            Quote: Kronos
            https://www.vesti.ru/finance/article/1271926

            listing the top 10 African countries by GDP ... what is it for?
            just show the top10 GDP:

            1.China 21731
            2.USA 20580
            3.India India 8995
            4.Japan 5230
            5.Germany 4515
            6. Russia 4223
            7.Indonesia 3116
            8 Brazil 3130
            9.France 3121
            10.UK 3121
            ps
            Russia in the top 10 !!!!!!
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 11 May 2021 14: 25
        -9
        The level of salaries comes from the level of the profit made.
        They pay little, go like my sister, a private painter-plasterer and you will not be 15 thousand, but a hundred. And there are many such ways to make money, but you have to be a well-trained, qualified person, and not a loser, offended by everyone and Putin personally.
        By the way, brothers and non-brothers from Ukraine and other fraternal state institutions understand all this very well and earn billions of dollars in the Russian Federation, but here they say that, they say, they do not have a promising model
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 11 May 2021 15: 01
          +7
          They pay little, go like my sister, a private painter-plasterer and you will not be 15 thousand, but a hundred.

          If they hadn't written about my sister, I would have thought that Mr. Medvedev had attended the forum with his sacramental instruction to teachers.
          It was your personal choice! Not enough money, go into business
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 11 May 2021 15: 14
            -11%
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            If they hadn't written about my sister, I would have thought that Mr. Medvedev had attended the forum with his sacramental instruction to teachers.

            is there a problem with work in the country? with a salary?
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 11 May 2021 15: 18
              +2
              You are counting on an incorrect question, the answer of what level to get?
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 11 May 2021 15: 24
                -1
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                You are counting on the wrong question

                why is the question incorrect?
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                what level answer to get?

                exceptionally high level, I hope the interlocutor has high competence !!!
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 11 May 2021 15: 35
                  -2
                  why

                  because this quote above
                  It was your personal choice! Not enough money, go into business

                  like its predecessor
                  They pay little, go like my sister, a private painter-plasterer and you will not be 15 thousand, but a hundred.

                  not about unemployment and not about paying salaries
            2. saigon
              saigon 12 May 2021 12: 17
              +2
              Yes, there are problems with work, but there are problems with salaries.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 11 May 2021 16: 24
            0
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            sacramental instruction to teachers

            There is no need to drag Mr. Medvedev. Many people know how to bla-blak now. What exactly is wrongly written? Where is not the truth? I myself am currently working as a teacher. In the regional center. It comes out with premiums of 50 thousand for personal income tax. But I have the highest category, all the seniority bonuses, etc. And the educational institution is slightly more prestigious than the public school. Everything did not fall from the sky, I had to work hard to make it happen.
            And in the capitals, this income is considered nonsense.
            Having retired to the reserve, I worked, albeit not in senior positions, but always at 1,5 - 2 rates, I had to spin, although I had a small pension. I had to study in my old age, and not stink about "shitty life" and groan over the Soviet past.
            I remember him very well, with everything good and bad. The main thing that causes nostalgia among some civilians is the poor equality of the majority of the population in those years.
            And about the deficit, the crimes of, say, the police (Shchelokov) and party bosses, the memory was lost.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 11 May 2021 16: 31
              +1
              There is no need to drag Mr. Medvedev.

              And how does his phrase differ from yours about "pay little, go ..."? Nothing.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 May 2021 15: 03
          -9
          Quote: Alekseev
          but you have to be a well-trained, qualified person, and not a loser who is offended by everyone and Putin personally.

          I agree!!!
          Quote: Alekseev
          but here they say that, they say, they do not have a promising model

          stupid people don't have a promising model, and they know it! that's why they are drowning for the USSR - everyone is equal there, and the chance to give healthy offspring (an unconditional instinct) is much higher for them than under capitalism.
          ps
          under capitalism, segregation into the rich (smart / strong / beautiful / healthy) and the poor (stupid / weak / ugly / sick) is clearly expressed. the rich create families with the rich, respectively, the poor with the poor ... and segregation is increasing !!!! natural process ....
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 16 May 2021 21: 05
            0
            stupid people don't have a promising model

            Totally agree with you! About a dozen models of "reindustrialization" in Russia were considered ...
            In short, they all boil down, as it should be in macroeconomics, to two interrelated factors (multipliers) - money and people. If at least one of them is 0, what do you think the result will be? Now, briefly about the "cunning plan".
            1 To carry out the reindustrialization of the country, it is necessary, firstly, to pour into the economy for 10 years at least 8% of GDP annually, and secondly, to provide the new industry with labor resources.
            2 To ensure the targeted use of capital investments, it is necessary to streamline money circulation. This will allow us to use the modern interpretation of the money neutrality theorem: "In the short, money is not neutral."
            And here the fun begins !!! Two birds with one stone!
            But what if we strangle the shadow sector - the corruption - the shadow garage economy? It's no secret that our entire "small business" is financed from corrupt income and is used as a laundry - in itself, as such, it is unprofitable. But it is necessary to stifle small business competently - through the next "criminal revolution". This will scare away employees employed in small enterprises and thereby create structural unemployment, and subsequent measures of social support for the unemployed will stimulate domestic demand and employ them in newly created enterprises.
            Are you ready for such a cannibalistic plan? When about 1% of the population ... of that ... I remember the last time it allowed to preserve the remnants of production chains, not allowing workers to escape into business ...
            During the first industrial revolution "sheep ate people" And who will eat them now?
            Sincerely
        3. Mishka78
          Mishka78 11 May 2021 17: 11
          +12
          Tell me, what profit is generated by a primary school teacher or a nurse in a festering ward?
          And after a working day with children or seriously ill patients (and this is both psychologically and physically very difficult work) where else should they go to paint?
          Dmitry Anatolich, re-login.
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 15: 20
        -13%
        Quote: Kronos
        Yes, in terms of salaries, for example, and the level of the middle class for the president of 15 thousand rubles, this is the country of the third world.

        salaries on the site rabota.ru:
        Truck driver
        110 - 000 rubles.
        A dynamically developing company - a supplier of nonmetallic materials in connection with the expansion of the fleet invites drivers of category C to work on dump trucks. Requirements: Experience in dump trucks;
        Surveyor
        135 - 000 rubles.
        Construction company LLC "AMG" invites surveyors for monolithic construction in Moscow and St. Petersburg! Responsibilities: Reception of the GDO from the gene. Contractor; High-precision geodetic works; Performing the functions of a technical customer; Outline of shooting in AutoCAD; Requirements: the presence of a specialized higher ...
        Concrete Worker
        60 - 000 rubles.
        Construction of residential low-rise buildings according to the project of a residential complex; Laying of walls, partitions made of concrete, expanded clay-concrete blocks, concrete monolithic, installation work; Requirements: quality of work, according to
        Air conditioning system installer
        60 - 000 rubles.
        Installation and maintenance of ventilation and air conditioning systems. Equipment diagnostics and repair; Requirements: Work experience; Knowledge in the field of electrical engineering; Having a car; Sociability; Conditions: Registration
        WHAT ARE 15000 THAT ARE SPEAKING ABOUT ????
        1. orcinus
          orcinus 11 May 2021 15: 47
          +6
          Show the vacancies of the doctor with the proposed sums. Based on 100-120 thousand for a driver, the doctor should have at least 300 thousand.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 11
            -5
            Quote: orcinus
            Show the vacancies of the doctor with the proposed sums. Based on 100-120 thousand for a driver, the doctor should have at least 300 thousand.

            1.you can see the salaries on the site, and share with us
            2. Do you have doubts that truck drivers get 100 thousand? in vain ....
            3. I think at doctors under 200 in Moscow.
            1. orcinus
              orcinus 11 May 2021 16: 42
              +4
              Is Moscow here ?! And in thousands of other places?
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 44
                -10%
                Quote: orcinus
                Is Moscow here ?! And in thousands of other places?

                take your hands in your feet and go to work in Moscow !!!!!!
                take a mortgage (3,7% for doctors) and work happily !!!
                1. orcinus
                  orcinus 11 May 2021 16: 47
                  +9
                  And the rest of the tens of thousands of doctors also go to Moscow for me? And who will work in the outback? Or will we make Moscow 30 million and then 40 million with this approach?
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 51
                    -11%
                    Quote: orcinus
                    And the rest of the tens of thousands of doctors, too, to go to Moscow for me?

                    judging by the open vacancies, no one really wants to go to Moscow, which means that everything is not so bad on the ground!
                    Quote: orcinus
                    Or will we make Moscow 30 million and then 40 million with this approach?

                    well, I see ... the sky is not blue enough for you ... well, this is to the doctor:
                    Head of department, psychiatrist
                    Moscow, st. Parkovaya 9th, 53
                    Work experience from 3 years, higher education, full time
                    100 000 rub / month
                    Requirements:
                    Experience from 1 year. Higher education.
                2. orcinus
                  orcinus 11 May 2021 16: 47
                  +5
                  If it were so easy to find a job, I would have moved more than a year ago
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 52
                    -2
                    Quote: orcinus
                    If it were so easy to find a job, I would have moved more than a year ago

                    you are a doctor?
                  2. orcinus
                    orcinus 11 May 2021 17: 03
                    +1
                    Yes, I am a doctor ...
                  3. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 11 May 2021 17: 06
                    -8
                    Quote: orcinus
                    Yes, I am a doctor ...

                    well, go ahead !!!!
                    send your resume !!!
                    unsubscribe according to the results !!!
                    Moscow is a cruel city, but if you are a fighter, then everything will work out !!!!
                  4. orcinus
                    orcinus 11 May 2021 17: 08
                    +5
                    Do you think people are idiots?) Do you think I did not send a resume?)))
                  5. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 11 May 2021 17: 14
                    -3
                    Quote: orcinus
                    Do you think people are idiots?)

                    in no case!
                    Quote: orcinus
                    Do you think I have not sent my resume?)))

                    where were they sent? what result?
                  6. orcinus
                    orcinus 11 May 2021 17: 24
                    +1
                    The result is only views, no specific proposals.
    2. frog
      frog 11 May 2021 16: 55
      0
      Zamkadyshi is of no interest to anyone. These inhabitants of non-rubber measure everything exclusively by themselves))
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 17: 13
        -1
        Quote: frog
        Zamkadyshi is of no interest to anyone.

        in vain you are so ...
        I have a lot of zamkadysh moved to the Mother See, which is amazing!
        from St. Petersburg ... some kind of village from near Krasnodar ... even somewhere envy takes me ...
        I am then zamkadysh ... and my friend (without VO) zamkadysh married a villager from podkrasnodarny ..... bought for 12 mln. odnushka in Moscow ... now they will apply for expansion using matkapital ...
        1. frog
          frog 11 May 2021 17: 46
          +3
          But how can I tell you .... In vain, the mud is not very good .... The provincials do not like your cancerous tumor ..... As well as attempts to teach life to the whole country from it.
        2. Titus_2
          Titus_2 14 May 2021 02: 02
          +1
          Everything was going well ... and I almost believed you ..... But very wealthy people in the center buy odnushku 12 lyamas and after all that has been described, they can be used for expansion .... so to speak, with a mother capital there, even the services of a realtor cannot be paid for.
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 May 2021 11: 46
          0
          Quote: Titus_2
          Everything was going well ... and I almost believed you ..... But very wealthy people in the center buy odnushku 12 lyamas and after all that has been described, they can be used for expansion .... so to speak, with a mother capital there, even the services of a realtor cannot be paid for.

          yes there is the following story:
          1.they bought on a mortgage at the construction stage (pit level) a studio apartment for 2,4 million in Moscow (some kind of outskirts of Kotelniki),
          2. either a studio apartment has become Moscow (before that it was a Moscow region), or a metro was made there, the apartment is becoming more expensive! and they sell it for, like, $ 5-5,5 million.
          3. buy for 6,5 million killed odnushka on the first floor of the Khrushchev.
          4. their house gets under renovation - they demolish and give an apartment (renovated !!!!) with an improved layout in a new building near the metro at a cost of 12 million. rub
          5.they had children and it became cramped in the one-room apartment, there is some kind of expansion program (I definitely do not know)
          something like this!
  • Alex777
    Alex777 11 May 2021 20: 38
    0
    Good doctors in Kislovodsk receive around 60+ gratitude from patients.
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 19
    -5
    Quote: orcinus
    the doctor must have at least 300 thousand

    Children's dentist
    from 100 rubles / month
    Duties:
    Children's therapeutic reception in full. Carrying out professional cleaning of the cavity

    Cardiologist / FD
    Moscow region,
    Work experience from 3 years, higher education, part-time work
    from 100 rubles / month
    Duties:

    Ultrasound doctor (field service)
    Nagatinskaya
    Work experience from 3 years, higher education, full time
    up to 123 rubles / month
    Duties:
    Performing ultrasound examination in an on-site form:

    Therapist
    Khovrino
    Work experience from 1 year, higher education, full time
    100 - 000 rubles / month
    Duties:
    Inpatient management of patients with a therapeutic profile.

    Anesthesiologist-resuscitator at the Infection Center
    Moscow, settlement Voronovskoe, block 10
    Work experience from 1 year, higher education, shift work
    from 180 rubles / month
    Duties:
    Carry out work to ensure the constant readiness of the department to provide assistance to patients.

    Surgeon
    Peasant outpost
    Work experience from 1 year, higher education, full time
    from 150 rubles / month
    Duties:
    Work in an inpatient department of vascular surgery;
    Provides qualified medical care in his specialty, using
    1. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 11 May 2021 16: 39
      +10
      All your proposed vacancies in the world of logic are called "selection bias", when a general conclusion is made on the basis of a convenient selection.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 42
        -5
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        All your proposed vacancies in the world of logic are called "selection bias", when a general conclusion is made on the basis of a convenient selection.

        to eliminate the "systematic selection error" I gave the salary of the city polyclinic doctors:

        State Budgetary Institution of Healthcare of the City of Moscow "City Polyclinic No. 170 of the Department of Healthcare of the City of Moscow"

        Infectious disease physician
        130 - 000 rubles / month
        GBUZ GP 170 DZM
        Yesterday • Moscow,
        Prague
        Provides qualified medical care in his specialty, using modern methods of prevention, diagnosis ...
        Certificate Infectious Diseases

        Allergist-immunologist
        130 - 000 rubles / month
        GBUZ GP 170 DZM
        Yesterday • Moscow,
        Prague
        Conducting an outpatient appointment in accordance with the professional standard for the position
        Certificate Allergology Immunology

        Pulmonologist
        130 - 000 rubles / month
        GBUZ GP 170 DZM
        Yesterday • Moscow,
        Prague
        Conduct outpatient appointments according to the schedule approved by the administration of the polyclinic, regulating the flow of visitors by rational ...
        Certificate Pulmonology
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 11 May 2021 16: 45
          +2
          to eliminate the "systematic selection error" I gave the salary of the city polyclinic doctors:

          You have not figured out what a "selection bias" is. Accordingly, it remains in your reasoning.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 12 May 2021 11: 39
            -2
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            You have not figured out what a "selection bias" is. Accordingly, it remains in your reasoning.

            Well, it's good that you figured out the "selection bias" !!!!
            therefore, feel free to ignore my data and use only those data that fit into your theory of doctors' salaries of 15000 rubles !!!
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 12 May 2021 12: 14
            +4
            therefore, feel free to ignore my data and use only those data that fit into your theory of doctors' salaries of 15000 rubles !!!

            You can safely address these words to yourself only by adding one more zero to the sum.
            The commentators have already explained to you more than accessible, it seems to me.
            In order to return you from heaven to earth, namely from Moscow vacancies, I will give you the average annual salaries of the chief doctors of regional hospitals in Moscow's neighbor, Ryazan Region, in 2019.
            Mikhailovskaya interdistrict hospital, Bukhov V.A. - 72046,52
            Kadomsky district hospital, Byrochkina L.N. - 43819,15
            Rybnovskaya regional hospital, Gureev Yu.V. - 78934,73
            Spassky district hospital, Mironov M.N. - 60948,69
            Ermishinskaya regional hospital, Zotov M.G. - 50303,64
            Starozhilovskaya regional hospital, Karagaev V.V. - 85470,69
            Aleksandro-Nevskaya regional hospital, Kinyakin G.M. - 71288,97
            Chuchkovskaya regional hospital, Kislyakov A.V. - 71545,23
            Shatsk interdistrict hospital, Kolcheva M.V. - 62611,62
            Sapozhkovskaya regional hospital, Novikov Yu.P. - 48081,85
            Miloslavskaya district hospital, V.A. Rudenko - 62301,00
            Klepikovskaya regional hospital, Tsyganova G.V. - 65242,12
            Novomichurinsk interdistrict hospital, Chernitsyna M.P. - 95148,89
            Korablinskaya interdistrict hospital, Chilikina E.A. - 71465,18
            Saraevskaya interdistrict hospital, Sheidorov P.A. - 73594,16

            and this is the head physicians, and not city and district hospitals. The first in the hierarchy of the institution. Do you know how much people second in the hierarchy, deputy chief physicians, receive? 30-40 thousand. For all these hospitals, I can give the same salary by name. And the salary of nurses in 12000 in them will be a revelation only for those living in a parallel reality.
          3. NEOZ
            NEOZ 12 May 2021 12: 20
            -1
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            Ryazan region in 2019.

            for 2020 is there?
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            And the nurses' salary is 12000

            well, that's okay!
            my classmate graduated from the Moscow State Technical University of Civil Aviation, went to work in an airline as a technician with a salary of 23000 rubles. - we all laughed at him! we had it 35-45 !!!! in 10 years from a leading engineer with a salary of 470000 rubles ...
          4. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 12 May 2021 12: 45
            +4
            for 2020 is there?

            There are almost all of the previous list.
            Mikhailovskaya interdistrict hospital - no data yet
            Kadomsky District Hospital - no data yet
            Rybnovskaya regional hospital, Gureev Yu.V. - 67622,77
            Spassky district hospital, Mironov M.N. - 47223,47
            Ermishinskaya regional hospital - no data yet
            Starozhilovskaya district hospital, acting Seroukhov A.S. - 38679,25
            Aleksandro-Nevskaya regional hospital, acting Kinyakina V.M. - 44617,32
            Chuchkovskaya regional hospital, Kislyakov A.V. - 60491,66
            Shatsk interdistrict hospital, Kolcheva M.V. - 57120,40
            Sapozhkovskaya regional hospital, Novikov Yu.P. - 70259,28
            Miloslavskaya district hospital, V.A. Rudenko - 48656,81
            Klepikovskaya regional hospital, Tsyganova G.V. - 48215,32
            Novomichurinsk interdistrict hospital, Chernitsyna M.P. - 89313,35
            Korablinskaya interdistrict hospital, Chilikina E.A. - 66798,84
            Saraevskaya interdistrict hospital, Sheidorov P.A. - 76306,90
            Were you hoping to see a fabulous increase from the promised coveted premiums? wassat
            well, that's okay!

            I don't even know how to react to this. You have a peculiar way of thinking. Unfortunately, nowadays it is quite common.
          5. NEOZ
            NEOZ 12 May 2021 12: 58
            -1
            Quote: Nefarious skeptic
            Were you hoping to see a fabulous increase from the promised coveted premiums?

            hoped ...
            Can you specify what kind of cars these undoubtedly worthy people drive?
          6. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 12 May 2021 13: 21
            +2
            Can you specify what kind of cars these undoubtedly worthy people drive?

            I can not. Try to find out for yourself.
            Even if on hand-assembled limited edition cars, does this really change the fact of low salaries for specialists in small towns? Or do you want to justify it by corruption?
          7. orcinus
            orcinus 13 May 2021 08: 49
            +4
            As a doctor, I drive a Peugeot with overcooked thresholds and repainted for the third time. And the father, the professor, doesn't have a car. Arranges? There are two options: either you troll the people in this thread or "second".
  • frog
    frog 11 May 2021 16: 58
    +4
    Associate professor at the provincial university (which is federal autonomous and other and so on). The full rate is 35 tyrs. From non-rubber - half a thousand km. And yet, yes, as an associate professor, it is necessary to emit work in peer-reviewed sources. For their own, of course ...
  • Kisa
    Kisa 12 May 2021 04: 54
    +3
    Quote: NEOZ
    Pulmonologist


    Lawrence - our breadwinner for the whole camp said citizens from 15 tyr are transferred to the middle-class well-off class. Where did you get these statistics?
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 12 May 2021 12: 21
      0
      Quote: kitty
      Where did you get these statistics?

      on the hospital website, in the "vacancies" section
  • orcinus
    orcinus 11 May 2021 16: 43
    +4
    Well, where is from 300? Or do you consider it normal to study for 8-10 years in order to get only 20 thousand more drivers?
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 47
      -7
      Quote: orcinus
      Well, where is from 300?

      1. I didn’t write about 300! you so assumed!
      Quote: orcinus
      in order to get only 20 thousand more driver do you think it is normal?

      doctors easily combine work in a public hospital with a private one! and this is +100 ...
      1. orcinus
        orcinus 11 May 2021 17: 06
        +8
        You know, but I'm tired of "combining" - two or three jobs, showing up at home after 22.00 or after a day and a half and seeing my child only asleep! I want to get one job in accordance with my education!
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 12 May 2021 13: 18
          -3
          Quote: orcinus
          I want to get one job in accordance with my education!

          but I want to receive in accordance with my needs and desires .... not working at all !!!!!
          why can't the Darkest One provide it to me? .....
        2. orcinus
          orcinus 13 May 2021 08: 43
          +2
          Needs and qualifications are different things. But this is nonsense when a person who has studied his specialty (turning the steering wheel) for 6 months gets 5-10% less than the amount offered (yesterday he found only 3 such ads on hh.ru) to a specialist who has been studying for 12 years ...
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 May 2021 12: 37
          -1
          Quote: orcinus
          Needs and qualifications are different things.

          no one argues!
          Quote: orcinus
          But this is nonsense when a person who has studied his specialty (turning the steering wheel) for 6 months gets 5-10% less than the amount offered (yesterday he found only 3 such ads on hh.ru) to a specialist who has been studying for 12 years ...

          nothing like this!!!! no nonsense !!!!
          in the 80s, the cost of jeans ranged from 80 to 150 rubles, and the cost of trousers was 3p50kop. - nonsense?
          in the USSR at a factory the pay of a worker (turner) is 120 rubles, and an engineer only 100 rubles. nonsense?
          the most prestigious jobs for the proletariat in the USSR (as I see it): a butcher, a shop assistant (better beer / water), a steward on capitalist flights, etc. nonsense?
          some 10-15 years ago, the salaries of doctors / teachers / military / police officers were at the level of loaders in a supermarket! nonsense?
          in the 90s, a personal chauffeur was more expensive than a chief accountant - nonsense?

          and in fairness, it should be noted that working as a truck driver is a very unpleasant thing!
          such troubles as: you can not be at home for six months, relieve yourself on the street, take a shower if possible, and so on and so on ... and the driver will never have a career! - never!
          to be a doctor is much more pleasant, in my opinion.
        4. orcinus
          orcinus 14 May 2021 18: 58
          0
          What does the USSR and today's time have to do with it? We are talking about now and here!
        5. NEOZ
          NEOZ 15 May 2021 13: 00
          0
          Quote: orcinus
          What does the USSR and today's time have to do with it? We are talking about now and here!

          why do you think that nonsense is normal in the USSR, but not now? ...
  • My doctor
    My doctor 11 May 2021 17: 27
    -1
    Quote: orcinus
    Well, where is from 300? Or study for 8-10 years in order to receive only 20 thousand.

    If you make a difference in salary like in the United States, as you want, then (as I think) for 98% of the civilian population, many medical services will become unavailable as the concept of medical care will disappear.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 11 May 2021 17: 56
      +2
      many medical services will become unavailable and the concept of medical care will disappear.
      In England, medicine is free, and a doctor's salary is about five thousand pounds a month clean. The nurse has about three.
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 11 May 2021 16: 25
    -4
    Quote: orcinus
    Show the doctor's acanths with the proposed sums.

    State Budgetary Institution of Healthcare of the City of Moscow "City Polyclinic No. 170 of the Department of Healthcare of the City of Moscow"

    Infectious disease physician
    130 - 000 rubles / month
    GBUZ GP 170 DZM
    Yesterday • Moscow,
    Prague
    Provides qualified medical care in his specialty, using modern methods of prevention, diagnosis ...
    Certificate Infectious Diseases

    Allergist-immunologist
    130 - 000 rubles / month
    GBUZ GP 170 DZM
    Yesterday • Moscow,
    Prague
    Conducting an outpatient appointment in accordance with the professional standard for the position
    Certificate Allergology Immunology

    Pulmonologist
    130 - 000 rubles / month
    GBUZ GP 170 DZM
    Yesterday • Moscow,
    Prague
    Conduct outpatient appointments according to the schedule approved by the administration of the polyclinic, regulating the flow of visitors by rational ...
    Certificate Pulmonology
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 11 May 2021 16: 56
      +6
      Is there no Russia for you for Moscow, Lavrenty? Everyone already knows that salaries in Moscow time are several times higher than in Russia.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 17: 04
        -5
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Is there no Russia for you for Moscow, Lavrenty? Everyone already knows that salaries in Moscow time are several times higher than in Russia.

        calmness! just calmness !!!
        1. initially it was about 15000 rubles of salary! I just pointed out that if you want, you can earn more (for example, as a truck driver, no one cares where the driver lives, work a month after a month)
        showed a salary among workers on a rotational basis i.e. not particularly tied to the place of residence.
        further indicated that they say, doctors do not have such a salary ... that's actually all!
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 11 May 2021 20: 56
          +6
          well, that is, people only in Moscow time can normally live - do what they like, come home every day in the evening, communicate with their family / do their hobbies, and the rest - well women to work somewhere because there are almost no legal options to earn money in the place of residence ? Is this - that is, normal in your opinion - so it should be normal?
          And by the way about the doctors, should they quit and take a shift or go to Moscow time, and let the locals themselves be treated or go to Moscow time to the hospital from Astrakhan (for example)?
  • Alexey RU64
    Alexey RU64 12 May 2021 14: 45
    +4
    I'm sorry, you seriously think that there are such salaries. I quit, went to a plant in the regional center, higher technical, knowledge of diesel engines and communication equipment, business trips for a month throughout the country, a strict working day, with three smoke breaks - a salary of 28000 rubles. Long-range players get 70-80 and they are constantly striving to deceive, but drive around the country for three months in a row, and what if there is an accident? You can't live in Moscow for 60000, the wrong region, everything is expensive, but I've seen enough about the outback, once rode on guard. Shock and Awe!
  • Silhouette
    Silhouette 11 May 2021 13: 33
    -8
    Absolutely accurate analysis of the problem. The split of the Russian people, consolidated during the creation of the USSR by the ephemeral-national pseudo-state republics - the Ukrainian, Belarusian and "Russian" - is a real embodiment of Lenin's ideas and Stalin's delusions about the state structure of the new empire.
    Quote: Civil
    If Moscow pursued a policy that attracts other peoples, as it was with socialism, then yes

    Socialism was based on a powerful nationwide repressive apparatus, otherwise it would not have existed for 5 years in any republic. Do you think that the GULAG attracts other peoples to socialism? ...
    There should be no administrative and state division of territories along ethnic and national lines. Geographically only.
    The Russian people were forcibly divided into 3 parts and have existed in this position for almost 100 years. First they came up with the name "Soviet", now they switched to "Russian". Chimeric names.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 May 2021 13: 56
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    Now information is rapidly spreading around the world and the neighbors know perfectly well how the Russian people live and what situation they are in.

    There is a lot of information, everyone knows that in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, the people live about the same, (capitalists and bourgeois do not count), so there is no desire to unite. And what if there is a "benefactor" in the form of the European Union, who will accept only us, loved and very necessary, into their ranks and equal with themselves. But this cannot happen because this is the same "scam" in which all the players think that only they can win, and the rest are not worthy of it. Although even a first grader knows that only the leader wins in the "scam", and the rest are "suckers". And this scam will last for decades.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 12 May 2021 20: 55
      +3
      "benefactor" in the form of the European Union, will accept only us, loved and very necessary, into their ranks and equal with themselves. But this cannot happen
      As my cousin Svidomo sister told me, you (that is, me) poor Balts, they took us, and they will take us. We, Ukrainians, are not worse, but on the contrary, better. Everything awaits ... They sincerely believe that they will be happy as well, like Romanians and Poles.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 May 2021 07: 16
        +1
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        As my cousin Svidomo sister told me, you (that is, me) poor Balts, they took us, and they will take us. We, Ukrainians, are not worse, but on the contrary, better.

        It turns out that we are poor Balts better than Ukrainians. Well, on dumka, I always say their own proverb "Du..rack gets richer with dumka." I think she's to the point.
  • credo
    credo 11 May 2021 14: 02
    -7
    Quote: Civil
    1. Well, of course, the author pinned all the blame on the Bolsheviks, there were no others.
    2. If Moscow would pursue a policy that attracts other peoples, as it was with socialism, then yes. And so no one wants an alliance with the country 3 of the world in decline.
    3. Now information is rapidly spreading around the world and the neighbors know perfectly well how the Russian people live and what situation they are in.
    4. And they have their own Deripaska.

    First: the Bolsheviks were the first to create numerous national enclaves in the body of a large country, unfairly endowing even the most meager and alien peoples with their territories. So it's just silly to deny this fact.

    Second and third: judging by the number of guest workers from the former Soviet republics of the USSR who work on the territory of Russia, it (Russia) still remains an attractive place for them, and not vice versa. So, no matter what information and whatever fables are spread by the world media, people most often trust not her, but information from their acquaintances and friends who already live and work in Russia. Russia has no goal to charm the entire population of the world with its fabulous life, so that it (this population) rushes into the vast expanses of Russia.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 May 2021 07: 18
      0
      Quote: credo
      First: the Bolsheviks were the first to create numerous national enclaves in the body of a large country, unfairly endowing even the most meager and alien peoples with their territories.

      Could not comrade. Stalin in this to convince comrade. Lenin, who trusted Trotsky more on this issue.
    2. Alt 22
      Alt 22 13 May 2021 09: 41
      0
      Bolsheviks ??? The Bolsheviks created Poland, Finland and other countries ???

      Study this list carefully and learn the history!
  • Igor Litvin
    Igor Litvin 13 May 2021 19: 56
    0
    Yes, it all depends on Russia itself. It will be a stable and prosperous state - by hook or by crook the neighboring peoples will be drawn to it. And vice versa. And in no other way.
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 11 May 2021 12: 59
    +2
    Quote: military_cat
    The problem is not that the peoples on the Russian borders are avoiding Russia because of the imposed Russophobia, but that Russia does not offer an attractive picture of a common future.

    so peoples or people?
    you can serve the west, or you can live in the Great State (the standard of living is higher than now)! isn't that attractive?
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 11 May 2021 13: 22
      +4
      Quote: NEOZ
      so peoples or people?
      As you wish. "Peoples", "people", "neighbors".

      Quote: NEOZ
      you can live in the Great Power (the standard of living is higher than now)! isn't that attractive?
      There is little reason to believe that the standard of living will begin to rise as a result. Russian approaches to the development of the economy and the legal framework do not demonstrate any particular competence and efficiency. But they demonstrate a desire to make a feeder out of the state administration apparatus for a narrow circle of people and never let go of it again.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 30
        -3
        Quote: military_cat
        There is little reason to believe that the standard of living will begin to rise as a result.

        look at the statistics of living standards since 2000 ...
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 11 May 2021 13: 42
          +7
          Quote: NEOZ
          look at the statistics of living standards since 2000 ...

          Outstanding growth at the start, which has stalled for more than a decade now and is consistently below the global average.
          1. Mishka78
            Mishka78 11 May 2021 17: 21
            +3
            This is called the low base effect.
            When I put together 10 units on my knee and hire a second person, starting to produce 20 units, that's a 100% increase.
            When I produce 1000 units of products and suddenly another 10 grows, then the increase is 1%.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 11 May 2021 21: 51
              +1
              In a normal situation, in the second case, you hire a person and give him the same machine that you use yourself, and he also starts to produce 1000.

              This is not the low base effect.

              In reality, the low base effect is when you make 10 on the knee, go to the market, buy a machine and quickly and relatively cheaply start producing 1000. And if you already have a machine with the latest technology, then you can improve your productivity only through research and development is long and expensive. But Russia has not yet reached a situation where all production in it is equipped with the latest technology.
  • credo
    credo 11 May 2021 13: 48
    -4
    Quote: military_cat
    The problem is not that the peoples on the Russian borders are avoiding Russia because of the imposed Russophobia, but that Russia does not offer an attractive picture of a common future.

    First, name what attractive picture of the future was offered to Ukraine by all its presidents and political parties, and now by the United States and the EU, and what they actually did to make unification with Russia less attractive for Ukrainian citizens.

    The same can be said about Belarus and its permanent leader.

    If we can draw conclusions about the reasons for the reluctance to unite the fragments of a large country, then first of all it is necessary to say that the politicians and oligarchs of Ukraine and Belarus do not want this.
    For many years, both under Yeltsin and under Putin, in fact, it supported both of these republics through loans and cheap resources and instead received not grateful and adequate politicians of these countries, but a snuffed up "elite", which has long taken Russian aid for a long time existence and wants to continue to suck in full throat while remaining "independent" and proud.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 11 May 2021 14: 13
      +6
      Quote: credo
      what they actually did to make the union with Russia less attractive for the citizens of Ukraine

      I do not know. And what did they do to make the union with Russia less attractive for the citizens of Ukraine?

      The elite and the oligarchs were quite successfully fed, but the problem is in this very approach, when loyalty is bought, and, accordingly, it can be traded, and you can bargain for it. It leads to the fact that disloyalty begins to be seen as a profitable asset in the negotiations and a reason to ask for more money.
      1. dSK
        dSK 11 May 2021 14: 45
        -10%
        The political party "United Russia" signed an agreement with the Union of Volunteers of Donbass, which will allow actively developing the participation of volunteers in the internal political life of Russia, the secretary of the general council of the party Andrei Turchak told reporters.

        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 11 May 2021 15: 30
          +5
          Quote: dsk
          The political party "United Russia" signed an agreement with the Union of Volunteers of Donbass, which will allow actively developing the participation of volunteers in the internal political life of Russia, the secretary of the general council of the party Andrei Turchak told reporters.


          go to the "five" campaign ...
        2. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 11 May 2021 16: 58
          +7
          And what has "EdRo" done for so many years in power to prevent the happenings of what happened in Ukraine? Americans have invested money, and in the end they have the desired result for themselves. And our "party in power" was clapping its ears, but now they decided to promote themselves.
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  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 11 May 2021 18: 16
    -2
    1) why should Russia offer a picture of a shared future? It would be more effective to offer a picture of a good life in Russia with a stop list for Russophobes
  • not main
    not main 12 May 2021 00: 47
    +2
    Quote: military_cat
    The problem is not that the peoples on the Russian borders are avoiding Russia because of the imposed Russophobia, but that Russia does not offer an attractive picture of a common future.

    I disagree! In 91, the "joint future" was buried! And not Russia is the initiator! He lived both in Ukraine and Belarus. Yes, Russophobia is flourishing in Belarus, but it is not critical yet, but if we do nothing, we will get "northern Ukraine"!
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 16 May 2021 08: 13
    0
    Quote: military_cat
    implanted Russophobia, but the fact that Russia does not offer an attractive picture of a joint future.

    Well, paint us a picture of a shared future. At least as you see it. No offense. I just can't imagine how this can be done without populism.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 16 May 2021 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Come on, paint us a picture

      You did not understand. I did not write about the fact that everyone in the government is stupid and cannot offer, but I am smart and can. I wrote that there is no attractive picture of her. What can the potential satellites of Russia fit into, in the joint belt-tightening without any prospect of changing the situation for the better?
  • tatra
    tatra 11 May 2021 12: 17
    +6
    Another lie of the enemies of the communists. There was no single Russian people before the October Revolution, but there were Great Russians, Little Russians, Belarusians. And the Soviet people after the October Revolution of all nationalities, firstly, have always been in favor of living in one big country, as they had for centuries before, and secondly, coexisted calmly and peacefully. And the anti-Soviet people, already in the Civil War, unleashed by them, proved that they were for the dismemberment of a large country, and after their capture of the USSR, divided it among themselves under the spell of "freedom and independence", every year they celebrate the dismemberment of the USSR, and inculcate anger and hatred as against the Soviet people and against each other.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 May 2021 12: 40
      +4
      Quote: tatra
      instills anger and hatred both against the Soviet people and against each other.

      100 years ago we were one people with one language and culture
      Here the author is right, but ... until 1991.
      1. tatra
        tatra 11 May 2021 12: 51
        +1
        Before the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR, the enemies of the Communists were Russian, there was a common Russian culture and history, and the enemies of the Communists in their States on the territory of the USSR they had captured, destroy all this, and inculcate foreignism, Russophobia, racism - hatred of other peoples.
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette 11 May 2021 13: 40
          -5
          Quote: tatra
          Before the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR, the enemies of the communists were Russian, there was a common Russian culture and history.

          Exactly? .... Or maybe the only language in the country was the Russian language even before 1917? And culture and history were the same? But after the October coup, they began to invent a new history and a new language. It is a fact.
          1. tatra
            tatra 11 May 2021 13: 48
            -1
            And how did you rush to "refute" me? I wrote that before the seizure of the USSR by the enemies of the communists, the common language was Russian. DO is both under the USSR and before it.
            And enough already to falsify concepts. A coup is a change of power without a change in the socio-economic System, which suits your anti-Soviet people on the territory of the captured USSR, taking power from each other, and always leaves the System that you established after your counter-revolution in Perestroika.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 May 2021 19: 41
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee

        100 years ago we were one people with one language and culture
        Here the author is right, but ... until 1991.

        No, the author is wrong here. There was both Belarusian and Ukrainian languages ​​and culture in the 17th and 18th centuries. Another thing is that both languages ​​and culture were in many ways similar to the Russian language and culture. Does this mean that the peoples: Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian are different peoples? Not at all. And in Russia, in different regions, there are, albeit small, differences.
        Previously, they, the differences, were large. But, thanks to the literary language that is used in schools and literature, these differences are more and more lost.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 11 May 2021 12: 57
      -2
      Quote: tatra
      And the Soviet people after the October Revolution of all nationalities, firstly, have always been in favor of living in one big country, as they had for centuries before, and secondly, coexisted calmly and peacefully

      Well, let's say that you have very rough knowledge about the entire "Soviet people". But on the whole, it can be said with a fair degree of confidence that it was the practice of building a unified Soviet state, carried out by the communists under the dogmatic leadership of the CPSU Central Committee, incapable of taking into account the changes in society, that caused the republics to run up their "national apartments". And your division of the world into communists and "enemies of communists" today only aggravates the rejection of the left (communist and social-democratic) ideas, which is still warm among the people.
      1. tatra
        tatra 11 May 2021 13: 10
        -5
        I have already written 100 times here that the people on the territory of the USSR all 103 years after the October Revolution are divided into Soviet, and yours, anti-Soviet, radically different in everything, including the fact that if the Soviet people were always proud of what they did, starting with the October Revolution revolution, then your, the anti-Soviet people, cowardly lays on the Soviet people the responsibility for what they did, including for the seizure and dismemberment of the USSR by you.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 12: 59
      +3
      There is no need to support the holidays of separatists and traitors to the socialist system and social justice.
      The country was united by Russian culture and language (mat is no exception here lol). After some time, if Russian speech disappears in the language of Ukraine and Belarus, we may become strangers.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 08
      -4
      Quote: tatra
      And the Soviet people after the October Revolution of all nationalities, firstly, have always been in favor of living in one big country, as they had for centuries before, and secondly, coexisted calmly and peacefully.

      and how did it happen that after so many years of such an idyll (as you painted), after the collapse of the USSR, wars on ethnic grounds began? Well this is the Soviet people !!!!!
      1. tatra
        tatra 11 May 2021 13: 14
        -2
        NO, it was precisely the anti-Soviet people "liberated" by Gorbachev on the territory of the USSR that began to unleash wars among themselves on the territory of the USSR that he had captured. And who was he the first to kill? RUSSIANS in the former national republics of the USSR.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 20
          -4
          Quote: tatra
          RUSSIANS in the former national republics of the USSR.

          what Russians? above you wrote about only one people - SOVIET !!!!! what Russian ???
          How do two mutually exclusive theses live in one head?
          1. tatra
            tatra 11 May 2021 13: 21
            +1
            Explain to you - what is the people, and what is nationality? Or take a look at Wikipedia?
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 40
              -2
              Quote: tatra
              Explain to you - what is the people, and what is nationality? Or take a look at Wikipedia?

              Well, since you suggested, then explain!
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 11 May 2021 13: 31
        +7
        I once talked with a Chechen about this ... He told me the following: "As long as you were the Victory People! The Worker People and the Warrior People! We were ready to march in the same ranks with you ... But when you Yourself agreed that you are a drunkard people who spit on the legacy of their ancestors that your girls (according to a survey of Moscow schoolgirls) are ready to become prostitutes ("well, where are you my foreign prince, come quickly for me, I'm here ...). If you are ready to be sixes with "good uncles" from the West and do not care about the work of life of your fathers (as long as you pay money for it), this is your choice! But ... not ours! It doesn't matter for how much money you are ready to sell your freedom, the main thing is that you are ready to sell it ... "We still talked about a lot of things with him ... But the main idea is this: While we will not remove nits who do not respect our own people from power , none of our neighbors will respect us ...
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 May 2021 14: 14
          -2
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          But the main idea is this: Until we remove the nits who do not respect their own people from power, none of our neighbors will respect us ...

          the main Chechen thinks that he is with those who remove nits, or do you not think so?
        2. dauria
          dauria 11 May 2021 15: 08
          +5
          "While you were the Victory People! The Worker People and the Warrior People! We were ready to march in the same ranks with you


          All this proud song falls apart from one question "What kind of devil are you living at someone else's expense?"
          Yes, and Stalin had a more objective view of the results of the Great Patriotic War. He not just evicted the Crimean Tatars and Chechens, but for universal (with rare exceptions) desertion and cooperation with the Nazis.
          Concerning the unification. Except for the gallows for the appanage princes at their own gates, there is no way and there was no way. The local bourgeoisie needs the present fragmentation to preserve its "market", its own clearing. And they wanted to spit on the "attractiveness" of even Russia or any other country. Your slaves are more profitable.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 11 May 2021 15: 35
            -3
            Quote: dauria
            All this proud song falls apart from one question "What kind of devil are you living at someone else's expense?"

            it's just that they (we) don't think so!
            Agree, we also believe that education / protection (ministry of internal affairs, sun, court) / medicine / etc. must be of high quality and free !!!! at the same time, we believe that paying taxes is optional or even harmful PERSONALLY for us !!!
      3. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 11 May 2021 14: 40
        +3
        after the collapse of the USSR, wars on ethnic grounds began?

        Not after, but also "At" ... Events in Uzbekistan - Meskhetian Turks, NKAO, Baku and Sumgait. And there were "graters" between Ingush and Ossetians even before Gorbachev.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 May 2021 14: 41
          -2
          Quote: Okolotochny
          Not after, but also "At".

          does not change the essence ...
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 11 May 2021 15: 05
            +5
            does not change the essence ...

            I mean that there is no need to present an idyll, that there was a "Brotherhood of Nations".
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 May 2021 15: 08
              +1
              Quote: Okolotochny
              I mean that there is no need to present an idyll, that there was a "Brotherhood of Nations".

              so I'm writing about it!
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 11 May 2021 15: 25
                0
                I wrote in support of your opinion. hi
    5. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 10
      -6
      Quote: tatra
      And the anti-Soviet people have already unleashed the Civil

      let's kill even more anti-people !!!!! GIVE THE RED TERROR TO ANOTHER THINKING !!!!!!!!
      (applause.......)
      1. tatra
        tatra 11 May 2021 13: 19
        -1
        Your, anti-Soviet people, did not do ANYTHING useful for their country, neither under Soviet power, nor after you seized the republics of the USSR, and he cowardly blamed the responsibility for what he did on the Soviet people. Then what is the general meaning of the existence of your anti-Soviet people?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 23
          0
          Quote: tatra
          Then what is the general meaning of the existence of your anti-Soviet people?

          the raison d'être of the anti-Soviet people is the world you have invented for yourself! and live in your own, invented world ...
          the anti-Soviet people is your invention that lives in your head ...
          1. tatra
            tatra 11 May 2021 13: 29
            -1
            That is, you could NOT justify the existence of your anti-Soviet people, who seized the republics of the USSR, imposed their power, system, economy, ideology, and boasted for 30 years, how wonderful they are after the destruction of the USSR?
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 42
              +2
              Quote: tatra
              That is, you could NOT justify the existence of your anti-Soviet people

              of course not!!!! I cannot substantiate your fantasies ...
    6. Esoteric
      Esoteric 11 May 2021 13: 44
      -6
      Enemies of the Russian Empire, members of the terrorist organization RSDLP (b), taking advantage of a difficult and bloody war, in which they wished defeat for their people, haters of everything national, destroyed the country with the money of the enemy. Realizing their fragility and clearly realizing that in the near future they will be dispersed at best, and most likely will be scattered, they concluded the "Peace of Bret", easily giving up the territory.
      This is how it all started.
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 11 May 2021 14: 18
        -6
        Quote: Ezoterik
        RSDLP (b) taking advantage of a difficult and bloody war, in which they wished defeat for their people,

        fact!
        Quote: Ezoterik
        with the money of the enemy destroyed the country.

        fact! (RI was destroyed with money from other countries)
        Quote: Ezoterik
        they concluded the "Brest Peace", easily surrendering the territory.

        also a fact !!!
        ps
        all in fact !!!!!
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 May 2021 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: Ezoterik
        Enemies of the Russian Empire, members of the terrorist organization RSDLP (b), taking advantage of a difficult and bloody war, in which they wished defeat for their people, haters of everything national, destroyed the country with the money of the enemy.

        But the Bolsheviks destroyed not the Empire, but the Republic.
        Because the Empire was destroyed even before the Bolsheviks - and the very people who were considered the elite under the Empire and who were supposed to protect and defend this Empire. In particular, the last minister-chairman of the government of the Republic was the main ideologist and "locomotive" of the notorious Order No. 1, which destroyed the army.
    7. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 May 2021 14: 14
      -5
      Excuse me, but where have you seen at least one communist? I saw only in the film "Communist" performed by Yevgeny Urbansky, but in my life somehow it did not happen. Maybe they were once, but apparently all died on the fields of the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars. After all, war always takes the best. request
      Py. Sy. How else to explain the fact that no one stood up to defend the USSR. hi
    8. credo
      credo 11 May 2021 14: 44
      -1
      Quote: tatra
      Another lie of the enemies of the communists.

      Why is it a lie? At least read the Constitution of the USSR.
      For example, an article from Chapter 2 of the Constitution of the USSR of 1924 - "4. Each of the union republics retains the right of free withdrawal from the Union."

      And this is from Chapter 2 of the Constitution of the USSR of 1936 - "Article 16. Each union republic has its own Constitution, which takes into account the characteristics of the republic and is built in full accordance with the Constitution of the USSR.
      17 Article. Each Union Republic retains the right to freely withdraw from the USSR.
      Article 18. The territory of the union republics cannot be changed without their consent. "

      And finally, from the 1977 Constitution of the USSR - "Article 72. Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR."

      Where is the lie against the Communists and Bolsheviks here?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 May 2021 10: 59
        -1
        Quote: credo
        And finally, from the 1977 Constitution of the USSR - "Article 72. Each union republic retains the right to freely secede from the USSR."

        There is another good article:
        Article 76. Union Republic - sovereign soviet socialist state, which merged with other Soviet republics into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

        Moreover, this provision of the Constitution was fulfilled in practice, as it were, no better than all the others: all the republics of the USSR, long before the collapse of the Union, had a full set of national departments of an independent state. The only purely federal structure was the Soviet Army.
  • Troll
    Troll 11 May 2021 12: 19
    -1
    Those were theoretical calculations and which confirm my conclusions.

    I know German firms who have become a firm with millions of turnovers in two years. They carry furniture from Ukraine and sell it on Amazon and ebay. Despite the fact that one third of the quality of the products is returned by buyers back, the company still grows and flourishes.
    A bunch of xoxlov - builders working in Germany displacing more expensive German workers.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 May 2021 12: 41
    +12
    It smacks of chauvinism. We were tied not only by brotherhood, but also by marriage. How many families lived where the husband and wife were of different nationalities. I would not be surprised that for some time some commentator would write that in Russia itself, nothing connected people among many nationalities. It is often imposed on us that the field of revolution has violated the identity of the people. And Russians often write this, although they cannot prove their nationality even with a passport.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 11 May 2021 13: 08
      0
      It smacks of Russophobia.
      In my passport, they removed the column with nationality, practically depersonalizing my relationship with the Russian people ... I consider this a violation of my rights to my identity and belonging to Russian roots.
      Interestingly, the floor remained in the graph ... apparently the compilers of this document are counting on adding 51 more varieties of sex to it.
  • Far B
    Far B 11 May 2021 12: 41
    +10
    And what does the struggle of the Bolsheviks with Great Russian chauvinism have to do with it (moreover, as much as a century, it turns out!)? Is it okay that in fact the autonomy of Ukraine has been temporarily recognized? And did Stalin quite speak to himself about the dominant, leading role of the Russian people in the USSR? The collapse of the country was arranged by a handful of renegades in 91, and Russia, having a lot of opportunities for new integration, didn’t do anything in this direction! All 30 years, letting go of the situation. So why the hell to remember the Bolsheviks? The current situation is the result of the activities of those who ruled us for these 30 years. From them and the demand.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 12
      -6
      Quote: Dalny V
      Is it okay that in fact the autonomy of Ukraine has been temporarily recognized?

      and what does it change?
      1. Far B
        Far B 11 May 2021 13: 20
        +2
        And the fact that the opposition began to Bolsheviks.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 26
          -5
          Quote: Dalny V
          And the fact that the opposition began before the Bolsheviks.

          thus you confirm that the Bolsheviks were guided by the same considerations as the temporary ones !!! those. the goal is the collapse of the RI into separate parts ... i.e. Bolsheviks are separatists ...
          1. Far B
            Far B 11 May 2021 13: 28
            +7
            laughing PPC you have logic laughing the Bolsheviks were strained by chauvinism. Because chauvinism is really stressful.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 May 2021 13: 46
              -5
              Quote: Dalny V
              the Bolsheviks were strained by chauvinism. Because chauvinism is really stressful.

              Give examples of Russian chauvinism as the state ideology of the Republic of Ingushetia. if you can ...
              ps
              I was taught at school that the Bolsheviks are against stratification and for leveling ... I have never heard of any chauvinism ...
              1. Far B
                Far B 11 May 2021 14: 01
                +7
                Are you a troll, tunnels? fool
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 12 May 2021 11: 29
              +2
              Quote: Far In
              laughing PPC you have logic laughing the Bolsheviks were strained by chauvinism. Because chauvinism is really stressful.

              Not certainly in that way. The Bolsheviks, and specifically Lenin, were strained by only one type of chauvinism - Great Russian. And if, before coming to power, Lenin blamed the imperial bureaucracy for him, then in the 20s the entire Russian people was appointed responsible.
              And the cure for Great Russian chauvinism was "internationalism". But this euphonious term meant something quite different from what we are used to. Lenin's internationalism meant that a large nation should yield to a small nation in everything, thus compensating for years of chauvinistic attitudes (BLM follow Lenin's paths smile ).
              At the same time, the position of Stalin was subjected to merciless criticism, pointing out the existence and extreme danger of chauvinism of small nations, which would increase even more as a result of such a policy of "internationalism". For Lenin, there was only one chauvinism in the country - and it was Great Russian.
              1. Far B
                Far B 12 May 2021 15: 09
                +1
                Because he had no other chauvinism at hand. If it had merged with the campaign through Poland to Germany, it would have been strained to the same extent by Great German chauvinism. And it would be quite right to strain. Because German chauvinism grew into Nazism, and everyone knows how it ended. Any chauvinism is not good.
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 11 May 2021 14: 13
            +9
            There are such separatists-separatists that the country collapsed by the Kerensky people was taken and into a single USSR ... united. Why would the separatists do this? As for the formal division into nat. republic, it is simply a "realpolitik" of that time. RI was already collapsed in the 18-20s. into dozens of "republics". At that time, there was simply no strength to create a unified empire. I had to persuade the local princelings and give them positions. Carrot and stick. Without the gingerbread, everything would fall apart forever. And then they decided not to change, since the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks was doing a good job of cementing a single community of "Soviet people". The fact that it collapsed with the change of ideology to individualism does not mean that it did not exist. People can be motivated in any direction. You just need to be able to.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 May 2021 14: 40
              -4
              Quote: meandr51
              the country collapsed by the Kerensky was taken and into a single USSR ... united.

              yes, I agree with you. in my opinion, the CPSU (b) before Stalin and after is not the same thing ...
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 May 2021 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Dalny V
      And what does the struggle of the Bolsheviks with Great Russian chauvinism have to do with it (moreover, as much as a century, it turns out!)? Is it okay that in fact the autonomy of Ukraine has been temporarily recognized?

      You see, what's the matter ... it's one thing to just recognize autonomy. And the other is to carefully nurture an independent Ukrainian people with their own separate history and language.
      The temporary workers, unlike the Bolsheviks, did not transfer Russian lands with Russian people to Ukraine. They did not arrange forcible Ukrainization in the shortest possible time - with the dismissal of those who did not learn the language, and without observing labor laws. They did not invite their recent enemy from Austria and did not give him an institution to create the history of independent Ukraine since ancient times.
      1. Far B
        Far B 12 May 2021 15: 17
        0
        Do not confuse you with fried eggs. The Bolsheviks were building a single multinational state. The division into republics was, in general, a fiction. Complete interpenetration of the peoples of the USSR. Unimpeded, unlike the same Kingdom of Poland or the principality of Finland as part of the Republic of Ingushetia, fenced off by customs and other crap. Well, the Bolsheviks did not know that in 70 years Mishka Tagged with his gang would appear. Vanga were not the Bolsheviks, are you raising the issue ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 May 2021 16: 11
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          Do not confuse you with fried eggs. The Bolsheviks were building a single multinational state. The division into republics was, in general, a fiction.

          If the Bolsheviks were building a single multinational state, there would be no republican parties, councils of ministers, the KGB and others. After all, it came to insanity - the Center often accidentally I learned that horror-horror-horror was going on in the republics, since everything was decided by the republican bodies, which practically did not report to Moscow (only with dry statistics). In Central Asia, the Soviet republics generally degenerated into appanage khanates.
          The fact of the matter is that the Bolsheviks built a country that was easily torn apart along the republican borders.
          Quote: Dalny V
          Complete interpenetration of the peoples of the USSR. Unimpeded, unlike the same Kingdom of Poland or the principality of Finland as part of the Republic of Ingushetia, fenced off by customs and other crap.

          And no one argues with that. Citizens of the USSR moved freely between the republics. But when they got into the republics, they often ended up in another world.
          At the largest enterprise in the city - a textile mill, which employs more than 4 thousand women, mostly Russian, we were told that as a result of the impunity of hooligans and other criminals, about 1000 workers leave the mill every year, leaving the republic. Workers are afraid to leave their apartments in the evenings and therefore hardly visit cinemas, parks and other cultural institutions of the city; a number of workers were raped, but under the influence of threats of murder from the rapists, they do not declare what happened. Bribery, speculation, mutual guarantee flourish in Kirovabad, and the population does not feel that Soviet power exists in the city.

          The head of the political department of the mech division stationed in the city of Kirovabad, Comrade Tishchenko, the deputy military commandant of the city, Comrade Minza, and a number of other officers of the Kirovabad garrison said that as a result of the situation in the city of Kirovabad, servicemen and their families rarely walk in the evenings on the streets of the city, since rapists even in the presence of officers, they impudently molest their wives.
          While in Kirovabad, we also made sure that the citizens of the city rarely visit the city park; women and girls are almost invisible on the streets in the evenings. Having visited the city park after 7 pm, we saw only two watchmen there, and no one else was in the park. Attention is drawn to the fact that metal bars are nailed to the windows of all residential buildings in the city, which, according to the explanation of local workers, serve as protection from thieves and other criminals.

          © Memorandum of the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR N.P. Dudorov and the head of the sector of the Department of Administrative Bodies of the Central Committee of the CPSU A.I. Yelichev to the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU on the state of criminal crime in Azerbaijan
  • BAI
    BAI 11 May 2021 12: 42
    +11
    "Branches" of one people.

    Here is an example of "one people": Arabs and Jews. The Arabs are half of the tribe of Dan, which was lost when Moses drove the Jews in circles in the desert (the Old Testament and the first volume of the Koran coincide almost literally). And what is the friendship between them?
    In general, the "fraternal friendship of peoples" was invented by crooks so as not to pay bills and debts.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 11 May 2021 14: 15
      +1
      Friendship does not arise out of kinship, but out of ideology and necessity. The same people at different times can be friends and hate. It's the same with the nations. Now it only depends on who owns the media.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 May 2021 12: 49
    +5
    But the strategic vector, from 1917 to the present, remains clear, rigid and unchanged - the very idea of ​​a single Russian people is banned (open or tacit) in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.
    Come on, such a single one ... there was a lot of unity between the noblemen, balakayas in French among themselves, and their serfs ?! Or there, among the Romanovs' tsars, all of the Germans, after Peter I. Either 5 million served in the Civil Army in the Red Army, and in the White Army there were hundreds of thousands, including all sorts of nationalities in the form of wild and Asian divisions and Cossack formations. By the way, the Cossacks did not consider themselves very much among the Russians, even the children were divided into "Cossacks" and "muzhichat". So the author himself is not very familiar with the history, since such nonsense about 1917 posts
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 May 2021 13: 10
      +9
      I agree with you. The author wrote do not understand that:
      It's too long for agitation,
      Too short for a lecture in a country club ...
    2. Silhouette
      Silhouette 11 May 2021 13: 46
      -7
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      By the way, the Cossacks did not consider themselves very much among the Russians, even the children were divided into "Cossacks" and "muzhichat"

      You do not understand anything at all in this matter. If a child in a Cossack or peasant family showed a penchant for agricultural work, then he became a "peasant" and worked the land, and if he fought, fooled and did not want to work, then he went to the Cossacks. What does nationality or ethnicity have to do with it?
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 11 May 2021 14: 33
        +4
        Quote: Silhouette
        You do not understand anything at all in this matter.

        Oh well ... that is, the Cossacks were not engaged in agricultural labor ?! wassat you there they were not confused with horsemen for an hour ?! They would read "Quiet Don" to get acquainted with the Cossack way of life, and then they would climb to teach hi
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 12: 49
    +2
    On the issue of unification: harmful myths about Russia, Ukraine and Belarus

    Nehru to crush water in a mortar!
    There cannot be two leaders in a wolf pack. And without socialism and social justice there will be no union of fraternal peoples.
    Let's just say:
    It is necessary for the statesmen to come to power (and not the hucksters and separatists, as happened in 1917 and 1991), who, after many decades of division and destruction, will launch the reverse process of unity and creation.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 May 2021 13: 30
      +5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      There cannot be two leaders in a wolf pack. And without socialism and social justice there will be no union of fraternal peoples.
      Let's just say:
      It is necessary for the statesmen to come to power (and not the hucksters and separatists, as happened in 1917 and 1991), who, after many decades of division and destruction, will launch the reverse process of unity and creation.

      Until 17, there was no socialism, and the author of the article refers precisely to those times. Although there were statesmen, I do not argue. Only the majority of the people lived very poorly with them.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 May 2021 15: 53
        +2
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Until 17, there was no socialism

        Only the country was called the Russian Empire, from which the tsar himself renounced. Or did the Bolsheviks force him?
        Do you know why the Russo-Japanese War was lost? Why, in the First World War, RI found itself in an alliance of "friends" with whom it is "at daggers" today? What was the goal of the rulers?
        ==========
        All I want to say is that sooner or later the authorities ruling the country are in a stupor. It occurs due to the lack of development goals. The authorities have no other goals except to eat and drink sweetly, to sleep softly and not to do nichrome for the development of statehood and the PROSPERITY OF OWN PEOPLE. That is why today, when there are no goals for the near future, there is no way to create an UNION.
        For what? So that the nations that have joined will know the joy of unrestrained exploitation? We have already learned it by reducing the population of Russia. And work, when safety is the subject of deprivation of bonuses and the reason for deductions, and not a guide to organizing safe work, is familiar to us in many cases.
        ==========
        A long time ago, one “kind man”, watching the grilles installed on the windows of the first floor, told me: “We survived. Previously, prisoners were kept behind bars, now they are decent people. "
        While there are bars on the windows, it is premature to talk about an alliance.
        What can I say. There is a lot of work in the country. laws don't work. The play of life has moved into a phase when the actors, who were "kicked in during the intermission", can no longer connect the words from the role. Union is good. But it is more important to win with a score of 11: 9 in the "Night League" hockey match.
        Clownery during the plague (pandemic).
        By the way. Here's an interesting feature:

        These are data on the proportion of the vaccinated population in the RF. It took 0,96 days to vaccinate 11%. In how many years will the entire population of the country be vaccinated?
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 11 May 2021 17: 02
          -1
          The entire population is not needed. The epidemic layer, which allows outbreaks of the virus not to develop into an epidemic, is approximately 60%. By some estimates, even less.

          And to the question "Why so few?" can be answered simply. First, the pharmaceutical industry was ruined, and now, it turns out, there is not enough capacity for the mass production of vaccines. Everything is busy with other drugs, no less important and necessary. Now we begin to "heroically" restore.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 May 2021 12: 56
    +8
    Fifth myth (main): the Russian leadership dreams of restoring a united country and is taking steps to implement this strategy
    I hasten to disappoint: there is no strategy, no intentions, no steps. Since its political birth in 1991, the Russian leadership has never (!) Taken effective measures to protect the rights of Russians or, as it likes to put it, Russian-speaking.
    There is a strategy, it is the only one for all 30 years of the new country's existence - to earn as much as possible and as quickly as possible. And for this, everything is done, laws are written, new institutions are built, taxes and positions are introduced. And all for the sake of this "strategy". Medicine has become a service, education is also now a service, and a "service" can be provided free of charge, or maybe paid ...
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 11 May 2021 12: 58
    +2
    Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are one people.
  • Woland
    Woland 11 May 2021 12: 59
    +2
    As in the proverb, only exactly "on the contrary" - he began to repose. and finished for health. Author, I fully share your conclusions in the article. except for the output. Don't be cunning. and tell the WHOLE truth, there will be no more unification of the peoples of Russia with others. Gotta face the truth
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette 11 May 2021 13: 48
      0
      I agree with the conclusion. The Russian people are placed in conditions of degradation and decline.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 11 May 2021 14: 05
      0
      Yes, and there will not be a united America, a united France, a united Germany, etc. Everyone will run around the national bantustans after relying on "hard workers" and "hangers-on". Nothing will happen, only the fantastic bearded "Russian world" will remain ...
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 11 May 2021 14: 21
      -4
      And with others it is not necessary. Quite simply those with whom we are legally in the same internationally recognized state.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 11 May 2021 13: 04
    -7
    The Union was destroyed by Russia in order to get rid of these hangers-on from the Union republics. Russians living in the territories of the "brothers" could and can return to Russia for a long time, but they are in no hurry. The author proposes to reunite again, restore the plundered territories at the expense of Russia and put all this bastard on his neck again? Again, again, on a new one? They wanted independence, let them eat it with a big spoon. Suck up to the end. And let's forget about them the same way - forever. Friendship - Yes, but only for their money.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 11 May 2021 13: 54
    +5
    The author does not understand that many peoples and states have never been, and then formed. On the stories you have never been, let's not build anything with us in our Russian world.
  • cniza
    cniza 11 May 2021 13: 55
    +3
    In Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, a huge number of people still feel that they are one people with a common language and culture. But this requires statesmen to come to power (and not hucksters and separatists, as happened in 1917 and 1991), who, after many decades of division and destruction, will launch the reverse process of unity and creation.


    The key word is statesmen, these are people who do not identify a country, region, city, settlement with their pocket ...
  • meandr51
    meandr51 11 May 2021 14: 01
    +14
    The author is a liberal demagogue. Only the communists managed to unite the country, split by the liberals and weakened by the world and civil war, unleashed by the same liberals, into a powerful and friendly Soviet Union, which even Europe, united by Hitler, could not destroy. The liberals represented by the "white movement" dreamed of selling Russia to the West, and they did it all the time. If Ukraine suits the capitalist West, then why does it not suit capitalist Russia for the same reasons? And it should absolutely suit the new Soviet Union 2. This is a complete guarantee of independence.
    And the mythical and unknown "Russian World" has not yet created anything and only the language of revenge is healthy. Moreover, not only Russians live in the Russian Federation ...
    1. AAK
      AAK 11 May 2021 14: 12
      -4
      Well, well, the world revolution has already happened ... well, those who united the split by the liberals, at first became worse executioners than the "tsarist satraps", and later were reborn into even worse liberals ...
  • AAK
    AAK 11 May 2021 14: 08
    -3
    A rare case, the article does not cause any intuitive rejection or stupid questions, and your own thoughts are even tougher
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 11 May 2021 14: 17
    -3
    Russia originally combined different ethnic groups and cultures. And they were all Russians.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 May 2021 14: 46
      +2
      Did the Tatars, for example, consider themselves Russian, or the Poles, or maybe the Finns?
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 11 May 2021 15: 40
        +3
        interesting ... they talk about the past, and no one says that we are being destroyed in the present.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 11 May 2021 16: 16
        -3
        These are all ethnic groups. And the nation was one.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 11 May 2021 16: 31
    +6
    Periodically, Vladimir Putin recalls a united people

  • Mishka78
    Mishka78 11 May 2021 17: 12
    +4
    Quote: NEOZ
    is there a problem with work in the country? with a salary?

    Yes. Especially with the second point.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 11 May 2021 18: 15
    -1
    laughing There is only one conclusion ... I came up with it myself, I denied it myself and praised myself ...
  • l.jensen
    l.jensen 11 May 2021 18: 20
    -2
    I think (according to the impressions from Youtube that you have world-class pharmacology, medicine, weapons production, space, and much more about which I simply do not know. The main problem of dividing Russians into clans (Belarusians, ukrorussians,) is mentality. the comparison was taken by the English forum of Switzerland and the Russian one.To compare what topics are raised, what people write about, how they see the same country, and the very relationship of people, it's just amazing. As if they live in different countries. that the Russian forum is a forum for married women.
    I think that all this disgusting gender neutrality (address comrade), multykulturizm, flirting with ethnic minorities, it came from the USSR, and now we have. The Comintern was generally called the Kumintern because this orientation served tma in many numbers.
    The revolution began with betrayal (the Entente was betrayed) and ended in betrayal. Why? because "they did not build Munism, but holuism.
    Terror was announced - normal. killing political opponents is normal. Marazmata declared himself the leader and everyone should bow before him and feel their humiliation before the Generalisus, of all times and peoples, support repression and please with his personal devotion, where betrayal is elevated to the rank of virtues. It was servility that created the conditions for promotion to power. After the leader, there was a "great figure" - a kisser. The whole world was already laughing. Cheating, servility, servility, that's all they brought up people on. It is necessary to come up with something like this - only a foreigner's shop is not a citizen. What a humiliation for citizens. And nothing. A lackey must bow before a non-citizen. This is a psychological trick. Gorby was the most ordinary lackey in the built system of holuism, and how insistently the saint began to please the strong or those who seemed strong, and this is not accidental, but natural. plunder the loot and run. Those who live well in Russia live in London. And what are lackeys still capable of? Just grovel. I saw them here, just talking about how to get immunity so that the investigation is not opened, it is necessary to benefit the Crown, but how? One path they know is betrayal. All traitors. They were brought up on that. And the army? Ugliness, in Afghanistan, the prisoners were thrown, they even tried to escape, but no one came to help, did not give a damn. And this is not the only case, but a pattern. In the 90s, even intelligence did not carry out the orders of the state, but the orders of the aligarhs and was used as a mafia structure. Money was laundered and took part in the showdown. The storming of Grozny was clearly shown on the combat capability of the army. And the generals who graduated from the Soviet academies're coming out is an example of stupidity and servility. But every lackey, at the slightest opportunity, must show his importance to at least someone. so're coming out wanted to be tseevropy. and show fi "rashka". Was not in the owls. education of the concept of nobility and dignity. Did not have. I see them today. Those who have pushed around you to build a significance out of themselves, but here he is a lackey. This is also noticeable on this site. How many I have read "Impudent Saxons, small-shaven" This is a vivid example of a lackey who wants to show superiority. Over Whom? Above those whose chiefs are crawling on all fours? Over those who will your ladies marry with their eyes closed? .... Okay, I said something venomously. In fact, I believe that Russia should absorb Belarus, Ukraine, free them from lackeys, and establish normal imperial rule.
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  • soloveyav
    soloveyav 11 May 2021 18: 42
    -3
    The author is right in many respects, but I would like to clarify something.
    1. In 1991, there was no coup / revolution in Russia, as the multinational communists were sitting like that (even Medvedev managed to join the CPSU, although this is a rarity in his generation).
    2. There are no Russians as a nation, this is the same phantom as the Soviet people - as soon as the current leaders in power die out (fortunately, people are not immortal), the Russians will disappear, and the Russians will remain (they have not been exhausted in 74 years and will not come out now). And even now the Russians are used for one purpose - whatever, just not the Russians, because all the other peoples of the Russian Federation are allowed to nurture their little nationalism and have their own republics.
    3. So called. The "states" of Belarus and Ukraine, as well as the national republics of the Russian Federation, must be liquidated and incorporated into Russia as ordinary regions. But at the same time, it is necessary to preserve cultural autonomy for some peoples - the same Tatars, Yakuts and other indigenous peoples, but without being tied to any territory and without their own states.
    PS All conversations in the style of Russia should offer an attractive image, etc. ridiculous - Russia owes only its citizens / subjects and the possibility of repatriation for Russians, and it owes nothing to independents (even more so even now, with huge subsidies, these formations live +/- just like the Russian Federation, and what will happen without subsidies?). I live in Belarus, and have heard more than once that we will not join because we want to join the EU, it’s better to live there, Russians offer us something, give us more money, etc. This is the position of a woman of easy virtue, and such people should remember that her favor is not expensive.
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 11 May 2021 20: 50
      +1
      It is clear that the term Russians is used to define those who live in Russia with a Russian passport and also serves for patriotic education in order to strengthen the unity of the country, to overcome excessive radical nationalism. As for the culture of peoples, I see no obstacles here for those who want to preserve it, including the Russians. As for the aspiration to join the EU ... I explained to my relatives in (in) Ukraine, even before the Maidan, that a good life can only be achieved by hard work and a very advanced mentality, and not by joining the EU. But, they did not understand me. And joining the EU does not guarantee the growth of a very good standard of living, even for one generation. Compare life in Bulgaria and, for example, in the Czech Republic. Heaven and earth. In addition, the EU, including NATO, accepts and beckons even in defiance of Russia. And what should Russia do in this case? Russia's response is obvious. Ukraine and Crimea are an example. As for the unification into a single state, this is very unlikely in the near future.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 May 2021 00: 26
        0
        for example, in the Czech Republic.

        and what is wrong with life in the Czech Republic? Explain ....
      2. soloveyav
        soloveyav 12 May 2021 01: 38
        0
        Yes, it does not serve for any kind of upbringing, on the contrary, it rather complicates it by introducing new terms and thereby rather dividing people. And look for radical nationalism in the wrong place - look better in the national republics, there this good is available. And by the way, all the other nationalities are in no hurry to enroll in the Russians - why should they, Chechens / Dagestanis / Tatars / Kalmyks, etc. OK. The problem is that all the national republics are potential separatist formations, and with a ready-made administrative apparatus (the union across the republics collapsed, and in the 90s there were already attempts in the Russian Federation, for example, Chechnya went farthest), so they must be removed. But at the same time, there is no need to infringe on the rights of citizens - it is best to focus on the norms of the same Poland or another Slavic country from the EU in this matter - there will be fewer problems, you can see in advance from the outside how it works and what the nuances and problems are.
        And how many times have I explained to people that the EU will not take Belarus - if only because it will strengthen Poland, and it is already too pro-American for the EU. Or because the EU does not need 10 million dependents with an industry that is outdated by 30-40 years (of which, by the way, not so much remains) and collective farm agriculture. And that without Russian subsidies and with the appearance of a real customs office on the border with Russia, everything that has not yet died in the industry will die within a couple of years, and transit will sag. But for people it is more a matter of faith, not logic.
        On the issue of unification - there is no need for unions, uniting with other countries, and not with their lost territories, unification and unification are still different things. And sooner or later this must happen, because the borders of the times of Peter 1 are in fact a national humiliation. Yes, we - the Russians performed very poorly in the 20th century - the Brest-Litovsk Treaty and the Bialowieza Treaty are worth something - even though it all happened not without someone else's help (to put it mildly), but we need to rake it out, and better sooner rather than later.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 May 2021 19: 10
    -2
    Ukraine will collapse, contradictions will be devoured, and here the opinion of the West will not be important, but the desire of Ukrainians for self-destruction, for separation.
  • Tycoon
    Tycoon 11 May 2021 20: 19
    -6
    The author urgently needs to think about something else, there will be no unification of Ukraine and the Russian Federation ..... Until 2014 it was clear, and even after that ..... and Ukraine will be all right, we and our idiots ourselves let's figure it out and live well without any RF and RB .... The scoop must be removed from the heads ... 70 years have passed and 30 years after them the scoop is in our heads, we still can't knock it out ...
    1. Alexey Lantukh
      Alexey Lantukh 11 May 2021 21: 04
      +4
      What do you generally understand by the concept of a scoop? And 30 years - a completely different generation has already grown up. Who in Ukraine remembers the USSR well? These are those who are now over 45 years old. smaller part of the active population. So what? Basic education - Russia is to blame for everything !!! In the short term, that way, for 10-20 years, nothing good will shine for the people of Ukraine. First, there is no need to build a policy on the fact that Russia is to blame for everything. Another 10 years of such a policy and Ukraine will be an independent agrarian country with a population in the future of half of what it is now.
      1. Tycoon
        Tycoon 13 May 2021 13: 40
        -2
        I'll tell you a secret, in Kiev and in most regions of Ukraine, until 2014, the Russian Federation did not bother anyone at all ... And after 2014, the Russian Federation is to blame for not being loved in Ukraine .... And with Ukraine everything will be fine in years 10 everything will be fine for sure ... But the USSR remembers a significant part of the population and socialism is still strong in their heads ... unfortunately ...
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2021 08: 19
      0
      How much rubbish you have in your head. What is now happening in Ukraine and in Russia is just a consequence of the fact that the scoop ended by 1991, but you continue to believe that the scoop, and after 30 years, prevents you from living. I think in three hundred years people like you will believe in it. And so to explain your personal and state failure. Although the real reason is your stupidity, laziness and crooked hands.
      1. Tycoon
        Tycoon 13 May 2021 13: 36
        -2
        The scoop does not interfere with my life, it interferes with those who are still shouting how good it was under the USSR and how bad it is now and does not want to change something ... We have a lot of them in Ukraine ...
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 13 May 2021 13: 55
          -1
          Quote: Tycoon
          and does not want to change something ...

          You will be able to change a lot if you don't fucking understand why this situation has arisen. For 30 years your country has not been turned into shit by the communists. And under the USSR, there really was a lot of good, but a lot of bad, which ultimately led to the collapse of the state.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 May 2021 22: 49
    +6
    Actually......
    this has long been said by the right left. This is a classic of Marxism.
    At a certain stage, the bourgeois is hindered in every possible way to unite, since it is not in their interests.
    and in every possible way assail myths, tk. cheating is also a business.

    "Muscovites will come and buy everything", "daddy-potatoes will come and take a share in Gazprom", "Ukrainians are fascists, climb into the trenches so that they do not bring cheap meat and cheese from Europe"
    Etc.
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 11 May 2021 23: 37
    0
    If in Russia the people lived as in Germany. then it would not be necessary to convince the neighbors of something Themselves would be asked And in poverty no persuasion about the Russian world can be persuaded to come
  • hermit
    hermit 11 May 2021 23: 43
    +1
    As long as capitalism dominates in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and capitalism is peripheral, there will be no unification. And no statesmen in this sense can change anything.
  • Yoshi
    Yoshi 12 May 2021 00: 57
    0
    Our grandfathers fought
    So that "walruses" reigned right now ?!

    Walruses = not good yavrei at all
  • suvak
    suvak 12 May 2021 05: 21
    0
    It is possible to combine only in one case. Today, terminate all economic relations with the "fraternal countries" (including absolutely all types of activity), and tomorrow everyone will unanimously agree to "unification." Especially comrade collective farmer ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 12 May 2021 08: 09
    +2
    The degree of confusion, inadequacy and other banal demagoguery in the article is simply off scale. The author, on the one hand, scolds the Bolsheviks, on the other, the capitalists and gives them a virtual "Russian world", which will be based on what economy? And if you remember that this is essentially a rotten capitalist construct, concocted on the principle of not communism anyhow, then it becomes clear whose ears stick out behind this muddy stream of demagoguery.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 12 May 2021 08: 14
    0
    but will never fall apart


    That is, when in 2014 3 regions broke off at once, this does not count as a decay.

    And when in 1910 or 11 in the Russian Empire the existence of the "Ukrainian language" was recognized, it was the Bolsheviks who fought against the great-power Russian chauvinism. In general, I would have seen what would have happened to Ukraine without Donbass, I suggest, here is just a second Moldova, only more, there would be simply nothing to talk about.
  • Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 12 May 2021 10: 19
    0
    Yes, friends, we are one people. In Belarus, the processes of Belarusianization are going on, not as aggressively as in our neighbors, but they are going on. But I was glad that all the same the people are not yet "spoiled", which the self-styled people really want. For example, on Victory Day, in Mogilev, Soviet flags fluttered, and there were Russian ones. Really cool
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 14 May 2021 02: 46
      0
      ... on Victory Day, in Mogilev, Soviet flags fluttered, and there were Russian ones as well. Really cool
      but tell me what does the Russian flag have to do with the Victory? As far as I remember from history, under the tricolor flag all sorts of Vlasovites and other coloborationists in the Wehrmacht fought against us.
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  • Alexey RU64
    Alexey RU64 12 May 2021 14: 57
    0
    I read the comments a lot of superficial comments. I liked the article, rarely when they write something like that, and what's the funniest thing is, it's true. Nicholas 2 with all his might kept the country from collapse, but he was betrayed. And the Bolsheviks, who seized power, without expecting it, turned the USSR into a Russophobic state, where Russian is a curse, not a reason for pride, and there is no need to remember Soviet successes. Not one project can always go crazy. Was it profitable for someone? And now let's look at the names of the revolutionaries and who was behind them Plekhanov, Milyukov, Chernov, Lenin, Trotsky. France, England, Germany, Austria-Hungary. Slander? I don’t think so. Everything that happened then slowly brings us to the present day, and I no longer believe in tomorrow. In 1991, even more depraved people came to power, stupid and greedy, who are far from Lenin and Trotsky, but they were supported by the West and now we have what Hitler dreamed of. "We must put an end to Slavic fertility!" and it works! And by the way, the question is why Lenin has not yet been buried, and the West has not even demanded this. Strange! I am not white, I had neither repressed nor noblemen in my family, and my grandfather went through two wars and a civil one on the side of the Reds. But I don’t know the story. And the future scares me. With all due respect to the author.
  • border
    border 12 May 2021 16: 20
    0
    [quote = Vile skeptic] [quote] for 2020? [/ quote]
    There are almost all of the previous list.
    Mikhailovskaya interdistrict hospital - no data yet
    Kadomsky District Hospital - no data yet
    Rybnovskaya regional hospital, Gureev Yu.V. - 67622,77
    Spassky district hospital, Mironov M.N. - 47223,47
    Ermishinskaya regional hospital - no data yet
    Starozhilovskaya district hospital, acting Seroukhov A.S. - 38679,25
    Aleksandro-Nevskaya regional hospital, acting Kinyakina V.M. - 44617,32
    Chuchkovskaya regional hospital, Kislyakov A.V. - 60491,66
    Shatsk interdistrict hospital, Kolcheva M.V. - 57120,40
    Sapozhkovskaya regional hospital, Novikov Yu.P. - 70259,28
    Miloslavskaya district hospital, V.A. Rudenko - 48656,81
    Klepikovskaya regional hospital, Tsyganova G.V. - 48215,32
    Novomichurinsk interdistrict hospital, Chernitsyna M.P. - 89313,35
    Korablinskaya interdistrict hospital, Chilikina E.A. - 66798,84
    Saraevskaya interdistrict hospital, Sheidorov P.A. - 76306,90
    Were you hoping to see a fabulous increase from the promised coveted premiums? wassat
    [quote] well, that's okay! [/ quote]
    I don't even know how to react to this. You have a peculiar way of thinking. Unfortunately, nowadays it is quite common. [/ Quote]
    Do these health workers have any additional payments (for a doctor and a hospital nurse - 100 and 50%, respectively)?
  • border
    border 12 May 2021 16: 22
    0
    If it is with surcharges, then the sad mathematics turns out
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 May 2021 08: 05
    +2
    Quote: Ezoterik
    Enemies of the Russian Empire, members of the terrorist organization RSDLP (b), taking advantage of a difficult and bloody war, in which they wished defeat for their people, haters of everything national, destroyed the country with the money of the enemy. Realizing their fragility and clearly realizing that in the near future they will be dispersed at best, and most likely will be scattered, they concluded the "Peace of Bret", easily giving up the territory.
    This is how it all started.

    Ignoramus. lol
  • Chack wessel
    Chack wessel 13 May 2021 08: 08
    +1
    Quote: “The author of this article lived in Belarus for several years. Having arrived there as a staunch supporter of the“ Russian statesman ”Lukashenka, he left there in complete disappointment with this person and his Russophobic policy of“ Lithuanianism ”and“ soft Belarusization ”.

    Everything is correct. I also ran into this. If the older population is almost indistinguishable from us, then the youth are already "Europeans".
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 May 2021 08: 16
    0
    Quote: Far In
    Are you a troll, tunnels? fool

    He is the "plenipotentiary" of the guarantor for "VO" .... lol
    hi
  • Leprikon5656
    Leprikon5656 13 May 2021 12: 45
    0
    WHAT BOTH !!!
  • patriot on line
    patriot on line 14 May 2021 00: 08
    0
    I agree with the author in essence, at the moment no one in Ukraine and Belarus wants to be in Russia, with the exception of a few. Russia has nothing to offer even to Russian-speaking citizens of other states, no one is waiting for them here.
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 14 May 2021 02: 23
    0
    Quote: Anchorite
    Trotsky's cause lives on and triumphs directly ...
    and what has Trotsky to do with it?
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 14 May 2021 02: 32
    0
    An article of an openly right-wing chauvenist, smacking of fascism. The author himself should learn the story. The Bolsheviks have nothing to do with the creation of Ukraine and Belarus. Ukrainian nationalists declared their state independence after the February revolution, when the grip of the central government loosened. Similar processes were going on in the territory of modern Belarus. So the Bolsheviks after October 1917 in fact accepted what took place - the territories that declared their national self-determination, and after 5 years they created a single state from them. And today, it is still possible to unite the peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. But only on a more adequate idea than the idea of ​​the Russian world.