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"The aircraft is easy to fly and forgives a lot": it is reported that the MiG-35 has passed the final stages of testing

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The MiG-4 generation 35 ++ aircraft is now going through the final stages of testing. RSK MiG has already received a preliminary conclusion, according to which it is possible to start production of a pilot batch of fighters.


About this in an interview with news agency TASS, dedicated to the 30th anniversary of the Swifts aerobatic team, said Mushegh Baloyan, head of the directorate of the program for the creation of this and a number of other aircraft.

The flight crew love the plane, it's easy to fly and forgiving a lot.

- he said.

The head of the directorate did not specify what was meant by the phrase “forgives a lot”.

Baloyan noted that all questions arising from the Ministry of Defense regarding the new fighter are promptly resolved in a working order.

At the same time, it has not yet been reported about the specific parameters of the mentioned installation batch of the latest MiGs.

The MiG-35 multipurpose fighter is created on the basis of the MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2, being a deep modernization of the 4th generation fighter. In addition to this program, Mushegh Baloyan oversees the creation of a light front-line multifunctional aircraft (LFMS). RSK MiG, which developed the MiG-35, is part of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC).

The MiG-35 fighter is designed to take part in intense combat operations, where it is necessary to face the enemy's echeloned air defense. Tests of the new aircraft began in early 2017, and by the end of the year, factory tests were completed. Now it is reported about the final stage of state tests of this fighter.
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  1. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 7 May 2021 10: 57
    +26
    Horasha "birdie" good now in series and more
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 May 2021 10: 59
      +7
      Faster would have this handsome man passed the state tests and went into the series. good
      On May 6, the Swifts aerobatics group celebrates its 30th anniversary. Now the aerobatic team flies on MiG-29 fighters, but in the future they can transfer to the MiG-35 - an appeal to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with a proposal to equip the Swifts with new aircraft was recently sent by the MiG corporation. Mushegh Baloyan, director of the directorate of the MiG-30M, MiG-29 programs and the light multifunctional front-line aircraft RSK MiG, said this in an interview with TASS for the 35th anniversary of the aviation group.

      “We turned to the Russian Ministry of Defense with a proposal to equip the Swifts AGVP with new aircraft. The approved state armament program provides for the supply of MiG-35 aircraft, and after a decision is made by our main customer, we are ready to replace the fleet of MiG-29 aircraft with new MiG-35s, ”Baloyan said.

      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 7 May 2021 11: 13
        -5
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Faster would have this handsome man passed the state tests and went into the series.

        He has something like AFAR for the radar and there will be no price for him.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 May 2021 11: 15
          +6
          This option is available at the request of the customer.
          1. For example
            For example 7 May 2021 11: 49
            -1
            I think they cook it for the Indians.

            The plane is for those who want a lot, but little money.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 7 May 2021 11: 51
              +3
              The MiG-35 is supplied to the RF Aerospace Forces. Not in sufficient quantity yet, but state tests have not been completed yet. It is necessary to change the old MiG-29 with something the same.
            2. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 12: 43
              +12
              The MiG-35 is a plane for those who have too many capabilities of the Su-35.

              And for Russia, the supply of this aircraft to the troops will help increase the number of fighters in service at no extra cost.
              1. bayard
                bayard 7 May 2021 15: 44
                +12
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                And for Russia, the supply of this aircraft to the troops will help increase the number of fighters in service at no extra cost.

                If the price of the MiG-35 is the same 35 million dollars. that was announced before, it is at the level of the Su-30SM and more expensive than the Su-34. But if the percent is 25 - 30 cheaper, then that's it.
                Today, the Aerospace Forces are in service with about 120 - 150 MiG-29s of various modifications. These regiments should be re-equipped with the MiG-35 in the first place.
                And if according to the mind, then for the Aerospace Forces it is necessary to additionally deploy from 10 to 20 new (restore the old ones), fighter regiments - to cover all the needs for fighter aircraft. And to deploy these new regiments, mainly on MiG-35s, in order to at least slightly balance the composition of the aircraft in light fighters. And the operation of the MiG-35 promises to be cheaper than the heavy Su-27 \ 30 \ 35 \ 57.
                But the question remains - the PRA was finished for him? They did not say that "we can at the request of the customer", namely that it is in the basic configuration and meets modern requirements.
                The degree of readiness of the Belka radar for the Su-57 is also not clear.
                Secrecy is secrecy, but it is the secrecy in this area that makes Doubt not only couch interests, but also potential foreign customers.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 7 May 2021 19: 24
                  +4
                  The degree of readiness of the Belka radar for the Su-57 is also not clear.

                  I would venture to suggest that if it had not been at least to some extent ready, then there would have been no deliveries of serial aircraft to the troops, even at the current pace.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 7 May 2021 22: 48
                    +4
                    The fact of the matter is that the pace at which this aircraft goes to the troops (unhurried) indicates (indirectly) that something is wrong with the equipment of the aircraft. The idea of ​​the RLC is very interesting, but many have doubts about the implementation, including the software. And "at least some" degree of readiness for such an ambitious and advanced project ... this is unpreparedness.
                    It has already been announced that the troops will not receive all the boards announced for this year.
                    It's a pity .
            3. Barberry25
              Barberry25 7 May 2021 13: 11
              +4
              well, 60 cars will not hurt us for the patrol service, and for Syria, the very thing, otherwise driving the 34th to drop 4 fab-250 is no longer comme il faut
          2. yehat2
            yehat2 7 May 2021 13: 12
            +8
            it shouldn't be an option. It is shameful in today's times to let out a half-blind car,
            after all, quite a few probable targets are already using visibility reduction.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 7 May 2021 13: 14
              +2
              Quote: yehat2
              it shouldn't be an option. It is shameful in today's times to let out a half-blind car,
              after all, quite a few probable targets are already using visibility reduction.


              I agree. But we are grabbing to build everything and at once with the efforts of only our industry, and the budget is not rubber, as you understand.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 7 May 2021 13: 18
                0
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                and the budget is not rubber, as you understand

                if the money already spent had been spent as intended, there would have been no problems.
                as an example - the Angstrem plant. Stupid billions. So the question is not about money.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 7 May 2021 17: 55
              +1
              Quote: yehat2
              it shouldn't be an option. It is shameful in today's times to let out a half-blind car,
              after all, quite a few probable targets are already using visibility reduction.

              But what about the Georgian UAV shot down the MiG-29? Accidentally?
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 7 May 2021 19: 35
                +3
                So one thing is a Georgian UAV, and quite another is the same F-35, which the neighbors will very soon have "in stock". For example, the Italians recently brought it to Estonia.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 7 May 2021 19: 39
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  So one thing is a Georgian UAV, and quite another is the same F-35, which the neighbors will very soon have "in stock". For example, the Italians recently brought it to Estonia.

                  The dimensions of the UAV are such that they don't need the stealth technology of the F-35, do they? And still shot down. I'm talking about that. And what is there in Estonia or elsewhere, I don't care.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 7 May 2021 19: 44
                    +7
                    The dimensions of the UAV are such that they don't need the stealth technology of the F-35, do they? And still shot down

                    So the UAV is that, unlike the same F-35, it was defenseless at all, at all. In principle, he himself can neither detect the plane nor attack it. Accordingly, you can approach it as close as you like, and from a short distance you can find it and an outdated slot radar. But such a trick will not work with the F-35. It must be detected at distances at least comparable to the distance at which it will detect you.

                    And what is there in Estonia or elsewhere, I don't care.

                    In vain, Firstly, from Estonia to St. Petersburg, everything is just a stone's throw, Secondly, in one of the recent articles there was an idea that, on the scale of the Baltic Sea, the combat radius of the MiG-29 is just enough. It would be very logical to exploit them there for geographical reasons. Firstly, there are small frustrations, and secondly, there are many provocations just over the Black Sea and over the Baltic.
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 7 May 2021 22: 10
                      -1
                      It was defenseless (maybe), but its small size overshadowed the F-35's stealth capabilities, however. I don't know exactly about the detection range. And the MiG-29/35, etc., are from the evil one. The Su-27 family is enough for everything. The Russian Federation does not have the strength, as does the Union, to create and maintain a fleet of different aircraft. And so the regiments of 2 squadrons. Those. no money, technology, people. Let's also add a different type.
                      I think so, the army did not order them. Remember the story of this squalid BMPT? The management of defense factories wants money. Business, nothing personal (s).
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 8 May 2021 00: 35
                        +2
                        The Su-27 family is enough for everything. The Russian Federation does not have the strength, like the Union, to create and maintain a fleet of different aircraft

                        I would rather agree with that. Perhaps all the forces are really directed at improving the line of heavy fighters. If someone wants to make an export plane, let them do it according to the Chinese example - there is equipment purely for export. But it should have exactly export strengths - a low price, an acceptable combat value and, at the same time, a willingness to transfer technology.
                      2. Aivan jonson
                        Aivan jonson 8 May 2021 01: 26
                        +1
                        I share your opinion, but transferring technology seems superfluous to me. Would return all the money plundered by bureaucrats and oligarchs, I think then there would be enough money to produce airplanes of various types faster and the need to transfer technology for economic gain disappeared.
                      3. alexmach
                        alexmach 8 May 2021 11: 33
                        0
                        I share your opinion, but it seems unnecessary to transfer technology to me

                        This is the reality - if you want to cooperate, share something. The Chinese are producing an export plane together with Pakistan, Turkey, and that corvettes for Ukraine in Ukraine agrees to build. The Americans organized cooperation for a dozen countries on the production of the F-35.
                        Would return all the money plundered by bureaucrats and oligarchs

                        Dreams, dreams ... sounds beautiful, but in the discussion of practical problems one must proceed from practically realizable premises.
          3. yehat2
            yehat2 11 May 2021 08: 09
            -1
            Quote: Doliva63
            But what about the Georgian UAV shot down the MiG-29? Accidentally?

            many UAV-level targets could successfully shoot down even centuries-old stacks.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 11 May 2021 18: 30
              0
              Quote: yehat2
              Quote: Doliva63
              But what about the Georgian UAV shot down the MiG-29? Accidentally?

              many UAV-level targets could successfully shoot down even centuries-old stacks.

              An example of such a downing?
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 12 May 2021 07: 45
                -1
                why do you need an example?
                UAV flies at speeds of 100-150 km / h, stacks 150-200, i.e. can catch up
                their altitude is close. Everything you need to shoot down is there. It remains to put a bore pilot with good eyesight.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 12 May 2021 19: 21
                  0
                  Quote: yehat2
                  why do you need an example?
                  UAV flies at speeds of 100-150 km / h, stacks 150-200, i.e. can catch up
                  their altitude is close. Everything you need to shoot down is there. It remains to put a bore pilot with good eyesight.

                  Ie, there is no example? Well, no, as they say, and there is no trial. Your speculative conclusion is understandable. It takes practice. Par le woo? (excuse my French of course)
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 13 May 2021 09: 20
                    -1
                    there are examples. A government (American) drone was shot down in Colombia recently,
                    he was shot down on cessna
                  2. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 13 May 2021 15: 47
                    0
                    Quote: yehat2
                    there are examples. A government (American) drone was shot down in Colombia recently,
                    he was shot down on cessna

                    Thank you! I’ll take an interest.
  2. frruc
    frruc 7 May 2021 12: 40
    +4
    The crew of the fighter can include one or two people. The aircraft has a maximum take-off weight of 24 kg and a maximum external load of 500 kg. It is capable of speeds up to 6 km / h. The service ceiling is estimated at 500 km, and the maximum flight range is 2 km. Combat radius of application (with weapons) about 100 km. At the same time, operational overloads can be up to 16G.
    The MiG-35 has nine external sling points. On them, it can carry guided air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, corrected and conventional aerial bombs, unguided missiles and bomb containers from 100 to 500 kg. The aircraft also has an automatic 30mm cannon. The aircraft has a reduced radar signature and a new generation of avionics. It provides four-fold redundancy on all control channels and has a helmet-mounted target designation system, and new engines with increased thrust make it possible to refuel in the sky. The MiG-35 received an all-glass cockpit, a Zhuk-A radar with an active phased antenna array, and fifth-generation information and sighting systems. The combat aircraft is largely unified with the MiG-29K carrier-based fighter.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 May 2021 12: 43
      +2
      The crew of a fighter can include one or two people.

      In the first case, we are talking about the MiG-35, in the second about the MiG-35D.
    2. yehat2
      yehat2 7 May 2021 13: 20
      0
      Quote: frruc
      has a reduced radar signature

      by what ??? I did not see a single element of reducing this very visibility - vertical planes, external suspensions, etc.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 7 May 2021 13: 50
        +2
        Composite materials and stealth coating applied to the surface of the fighter.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 7 May 2021 14: 18
          -1
          there is no coating or materials
          standard duralumin. Maybe some elements have been improved, like the cockpit or the bow, but this is a drop in the bucket.
    3. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 9 May 2021 15: 33
      0
      and new engines with increased thrust enable refueling in the sky.

      What is it like ?
  3. KCA
    KCA 7 May 2021 17: 04
    0
    AFAR is not the greatest achievement and a panacea for everything, there are pluses and minuses, more important is the energy supply of the aircraft both in terms of engines and in terms of electricity, a MIG with two engines can carry both a phased array and an AFAR with more power than Dassalt Rafal or F-16. well, the skill of the pilots means a lot, everyone knows that Pokryshkin flew on the "Airacobra", which the United States considered a very unsuccessful aircraft, stupid in general, and merged it according to Lendleese in the USSR, without using it in combat, however ... I don't know , what is the flying time of the pilots, but personally, at the air defense airfield in Krymsk in a very strange 1992, for two days I watched the SU-27 takeoffs and landings literally every minute, I just relaxed, and then it hurts my ears, the drying went into the sky
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 May 2021 10: 59
    +5
    The right plane. Easier to dry, less running cost. Twin engine - higher reliability than single engine. Well, he has a decent avionics.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 7 May 2021 11: 09
      -8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The right plane.

      No, this is an airplane from the category "well, let it be" ...
      It is generally not clear what new he can bring to the existing structure of the videoconferencing.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 7 May 2021 11: 17
        -6
        It will go for export. For "dog fights" between third world pilots -
        just right.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 May 2021 11: 30
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It will go for export. For "dog fights" between third world pilots -
          just right.


          Why do you speak so dismissively about the MiG-35? What is wrong with it?
          .Tactical and technical characteristics of the MiG-35
          Xnumx length m
          Wingspan 12,00 m
          Wing area 38,0 m²
          Empty weight 11 kg
          Fuel weight (without PTB) 4800 kg
          Combat load 6500 kg
          Armament suspension units 10
          Maximum take-off weight 23500 kg
          Engine 2 × RD-33MK
          Maximum thrust 2 × 5400 kgf
          Maximum thrust at afterburner 2 × 9000 kgf
          Maximum speed at altitude Mach number = 2,25
          Combat radius 1000 km
          Practical ceiling 17 500 m
          Climb rate 330 m / s
          Thrust-to-weight ratio 1,10
          The controlled thrust vector is
          Radar with AFAR "Zhuk-AE" (FGA-29)

          https://aviation21.ru/mnogocelevoj-istrebitel-mig-35/
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 7 May 2021 11: 37
            -5
            Based on the experience of the MiG-29. He shone in close combat training,
            but always lost in real - at medium range.
            Lost to both Dryers and F15.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 7 May 2021 11: 40
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Based on the experience of the MiG-29. He shone in close combat training,
              but always lost in real - at medium range.
              Lost to both Dryers and F15.

              The combat radius of the MiG-35 has been increased to 1000 km. The comparison is so-so.
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 7 May 2021 12: 16
                +10
                And where does the radius.

                Problem 1 - radar. Without AFAR, this is not at all serious. Especially since the energy of the slash is weak, and he himself had seen Brezhnev himself. It is not a fact that even a 4+ with measures to reduce the visibility, in a real battle he will even see and capture on SD, but they will see him ahead of time, capture and throw a couple of missiles.
                Problem 2 - Dorokho. Everything can also be bought cheaper, with 1 engine, with full compatibility for all kinds of Western ammunition and containers. The same Thunder is spilling up the MiG niche from Rosoboronexport right now.



                Problem 3 - Sanctions. Again, buying a MiG = getting kicks from the US. Who will do this? Syria - but only in Dar. Haftar is possible, but it is not a country yet. CAR - again as a gift for the subsoil, which still needs to be won back. Iran - everything is complicated there, now there is a bargaining process again, stop enrichment and we will weaken sanctions, if Biden goes to the world, then there will definitely not be MiGs, if Biden, on the contrary, goes to tighten the screws and force Europe, then MiGs will only be a gift. With all the trade wars with China, there is no similar sanctions package against their equipment. Therefore, here China will be able to play a game on the lawn with ROE clients.
            2. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 12: 26
              +12
              but always lost in real - at medium range.


              The MiG-29 has always fought in real battles on the side of a weak enemy, strongly inferior to the attacking side.

              In particular, the MiG-29 was inferior to the enemy in the range of missiles used and coverage of the air situation by means of reconnaissance,
              I'm not even talking about the number of planes.

              With the new avionics and the new nomenclature of used missiles, the MiG-35 will not be inferior to other aircraft of the 4th generation of the latest modifications, and two engines make the aircraft more mobile and more reliable.

              Every 6 F-16s produced were lost for technical reasons.

              The MiG-35 is an excellent aircraft.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 7 May 2021 13: 27
                -2
                Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                With the new avionics and a new nomenclature of used missiles, the MiG-35 will not be inferior to other aircraft of the 4th generation of the latest modifications

                sorry, but this is a stupid false pseudo-ad.
                it will be inferior to at least 2000 aircraft of various designs. And first of all - the Chinese J-16, but there are also f-15EX, 800 f-35, 150 f-22, dryers and a number of other newest machines like Raphael.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 7 May 2021 16: 32
                  0
                  Quote: yehat2
                  it will be inferior to at least 2000 aircraft of various designs

                  So maybe it is just worth building it in a large batch?
                  The manufacturer promised a production rate of up to 36 aircraft per year, if there is a corresponding order. But this is only if its radar really corresponds to the declared characteristics, and the composition of the weapons corresponds to the capabilities of the enemy. Just a "light" fighter in addition to the heavy ones.
                  And of course - for export.
                  If India does buy, then it will work.
            3. standan
              standan 7 May 2021 21: 15
              +1
              Name at least one real fight
            4. aszzz888
              aszzz888 8 May 2021 02: 08
              +1

              voyaka uh (Alexey)
              Yesterday, 11: 37
              NEW

              -7
              Based on the experience of the MiG-29. He shone in close combat training,
              but always lost in real - at medium range.
              Lost to both Dryers and F15.
              FACTS IN THE STUDIO. Wagging your tongue and making stuffing is the usual propaganda of the pro-American-Isravilian trader. fool FACTS come on! tongue
          2. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 7 May 2021 14: 27
            +2
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            What's wrong with him?

            In the list of performance characteristics given by you, in general, only half a line about the fact that "so" is an airborne radar with AFAR, and even then, this is an option, and in the RF Aerospace Forces is not provided.
            1. bayard
              bayard 7 May 2021 16: 34
              +5
              Without AFAR, it is not needed at all.
        2. yehat2
          yehat2 7 May 2021 13: 13
          -8
          Quote: voyaka uh
          between the pilots of the third world

          do you understand that this phrase is 100% consistent with the fascist doctrine?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 7 May 2021 17: 17
            +1
            The "Third World" is the level of economic development, not the level of development of a nation or people and their culture. Rich countries and poor countries, in short. Historically, they can easily swap places. Ireland was recently one of the poorest countries in Europe and is now one of the richest.
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 11 May 2021 08: 12
              -1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "Third World" is the level of economic development, not the level of development of a nation

              and what difference does it make how you divide the world? By skin color, conformity to Aryans or Jews, by "economic development" by faith, or any other fetish?
              The very idea of ​​creating a hierarchy, when some are higher, others are lower, is one of the foundations of fascism.
              And not fascism as the reincarnation of the Reich, but fascism in general, because this is simply the most aggressive form of capitalism, which no longer wears a mask and calls everything by its proper names.
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 7 May 2021 14: 19
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          between the pilots of the third world -
          just right.

          Duc, the pilots of the third world and the Fu-35 fly. yes wink
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 12: 33
        +3
        It is generally not clear what new he can bring to the existing structure of the videoconferencing.


        The MiG-35 is a front-line light fighter.

        The MiG-35 is cheaper than the heavy Su-35 both in terms of cost and maintenance, while, apart from the range, it will not be significantly inferior to the heavy fighter.

        That is, for the same money, we will get more fighters than if we made only heavy Su-35s.

        This means that for the same money, our VKS will become more powerful and numerous.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 7 May 2021 12: 56
          +1
          Will you be able to voice the amount? And while it is not cheaper than the Su-30SM.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 8 May 2021 20: 32
            0
            by the way ... how much su-30cm is it worth? And then at one time a price tag of 50 million was announced for myself for a car ... And for the moment-35 the price tag was announced at 40 million ... and for export ... so for himself it may cost 35 or even 30 million
            1. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 9 May 2021 12: 25
              0
              The price tags are different, roughly speaking the closest allies, they cost $ 30-50 million. It seems that they cost Kazakhstan in general for 1,25 billion rubles per unit, although this is an old contract and with the current exchange rate the amount turns out to be ridiculous - most likely, a certain rise in price due to the weakening of the ruble should be included in the contract.
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 9 May 2021 12: 34
                0
                Well, the data that is there say that the current price of about 50 million dollars for a sous-30cm for the Republic of Belarus were, that is. and for myself about the same, and the export of the MIG-35 in 40 million was announced ... that is. the real difference for myself is about 15 million dollars ... and this is without taking into account the difference in the cost of operation ... I calculated here that 60 mig-35 during operation for 25 years will save an amount equal to what is required to purchase about 100 su-30SM ..So we need the instant-35. Even the Americans, I repeat, under the condition of a bottomless budget, have the bulk of the Air Force in light fighters, I certainly do not urge us to do the same, but we need to have 60 machines, provided that they are further created on the base MiG-35 UAV with one engine .. Just the same, why do we need corvettes and patrol ships, and not just frigates and destroyers ..
                1. d4rkmesa
                  d4rkmesa 9 May 2021 12: 44
                  0
                  "60 mig-35, when operated for 35 years, will save an amount equal to what is required to purchase about 100 su-30SM .." - I readily believe, but have you tried to calculate the costs of the modernized Su-30SM (2)? A light fighter is definitely needed. It's another matter whether the MiG-29 is needed "on steroids", roughly speaking. Maybe as a transition to another generation of light fighters - why not. In relation to competitors in the world market, he still lagged behind.
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 9 May 2021 13: 17
                    0
                    laughing oh, just don’t talk about a single-engine fighter..mig-35-car is good and in fact not a “mig-29 on steroids”.
                    1. d4rkmesa
                      d4rkmesa 9 May 2021 13: 44
                      0
                      Duc, we have good people and cars everywhere. )) All cost more than expected. Many fantasize about a single-engine fighter. But in the 5th generation, it will be expensive, some kind of leap in technology is needed to get away from the long, multi-stage manual work of applying stealth coating.
                      1. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 9 May 2021 14: 42
                        0
                        laughing in general, I do not see any real claims to the MIG-35 .. except for the desire of the military to get on big cars ..
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 11 May 2021 13: 13
            0
            Of course not, because there is no information on it, there was a long time ago the export price of 40 million dollars apiece, then the Su-30 was sold to India for 70 million dollars.

            And I think the internal price is two times cheaper. And the operating cost is lower.
        2. yehat2
          yehat2 7 May 2021 13: 16
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          That is, for the same money we will get more fighters.

          but this is far from a fact!
          investments in starting production are large and they fall into the overhead costs of the car.
          Another big question is what is cheaper - to produce only dryers or 2 types of fighters.
          A noticeable price reduction will be obtained if several hundred are produced by the mig35.
          But I see neither such a need nor a technical level that will allow it to be produced for a long time.
          1. Genry
            Genry 7 May 2021 14: 49
            +3
            Quote: yehat2
            investments in starting production are large and they fall into the overhead costs of the car.

            You are partially right, but you only need to modernize the production of the MiG-29 and release the MiG-35.
            Quote: yehat2

            Another big question is what is cheaper - to produce only dryers or 2 types of fighters.

            In the beginning, the question is about the purchase price. But if the price does not go off scale, then the cost of operation and tactical application possibilities come out on top.
            The MiG-35 has less fuel demand, higher maneuverability, and can be operated from suitable road sections.
          2. Barberry25
            Barberry25 8 May 2021 18: 31
            -1
            what does it mean to start production? will you build a plant from scratch? the mig-35 is made on the basis of the mig-29K, so the base already exists ... the claim of the military was at one time in a small radius, but the mig-35 solved this problem in a certain aspect of the price .. "they say the mig-35 costs almost like su-30cm" .. but there are suspicions that either the prices were compared incorrectly, or the mig-35 comes with AFAR ..
        3. Genry
          Genry 7 May 2021 14: 39
          +2
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          The MiG-35 is a front-line light fighter.

          And due to its low mass, it can take off / land on flat sections of asphalt / concrete roads.
        4. yehat2
          yehat2 11 May 2021 08: 21
          -1
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          The MiG-35 is a light front-line fighter.

          military doctrine is already moving away from the concept of the leading edge. Static positions are too vulnerable.
          Therefore, the very idea of ​​a front-line fighter is also becoming less and less relevant.
          Look at how Azerbaijan demonstratively beat the Armenians.
          Anti-aircraft missiles and other guided munitions have stepped far forward, expanding the affected area. If earlier the main battle distances were 3-30 km, now it is already about 20-80, and for air-to-ground vehicles it is even more. The "front edge" itself ceases to be a valid place for basing - except that one-time jump airfields, as the Vietnamese did.
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 7 May 2021 13: 13
        +2
        non-illusory. saving money with a similar performance of combat missions. The same Americans have a large number of light fighters, although in fact they can afford any aircraft. And our generals are used to measuring all performance characteristics, without taking into account the economy
      4. bayard
        bayard 7 May 2021 16: 20
        +1
        Quote: Bez 310
        It is generally not clear what new he can bring to the existing structure of the videoconferencing.

        Only that where the use of heavy fighters will be excessive, these will be able to serve. Fuel consumption is less, and they promised to make the life cycle cost less.
        The country is large, therefore it is quite suitable for less priority areas.
        But it would be wiser to make a single-engine light fighter based on the AL-41F or Product-30.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 7 May 2021 16: 54
          0
          Quote: bayard
          Only that where the use of heavy fighters will be excessive, these will be able to serve.

          I would like to answer rudely, but intelligibly, but education does not allow ...
          1. bayard
            bayard 7 May 2021 22: 57
            -1
            Yes, the confusion wrote, maybe it will be better this way
            Quote: bayard

            If the price of the MiG-35 is the same 35 million dollars. that was announced before, it is at the level of the Su-30SM and more expensive than the Su-34. But if the percent is 25 - 30 cheaper, then that's it.
            Today, the Aerospace Forces are in service with about 120 - 150 MiG-29s of various modifications. These regiments should be re-equipped with the MiG-35 in the first place.
            And if according to the mind, then for the Aerospace Forces it is necessary to additionally deploy from 10 to 20 new (restore the old ones), fighter regiments - to cover all the needs for fighter aircraft. And to deploy these new regiments, mainly on MiG-35s, in order to at least slightly balance the composition of the aircraft in light fighters. And the operation of the MiG-35 promises to be cheaper than the heavy Su-27 \ 30 \ 35 \ 57.
            But the question remains - the PRA was finished for him? They did not say that "we can at the request of the customer", namely that it is in the basic configuration and meets modern requirements.
            The degree of readiness of the Belka radar for the Su-57 is also not clear.
            Secrecy is secrecy, but it is the secrecy in this area that makes Doubt not only couch interests, but also potential foreign customers.

            If the regiments on the MiG-29 are rearmed on the MiG-35, then nothing new will be at all in the structure of the Aerospace Forces.
            But if several new regiments are deployed on them, then the balance between light and heavy fighters in the Aerospace Forces will be somewhat balanced.
            In Syria, it would be more useful to have a regiment of just such aircraft, well, and a couple of links / squadron on the Su-35.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 May 2021 11: 10
      0
      The leader in export F16 is single-stage. And the motor is similar to that of the F15.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 12: 39
        +3
        F-16 is still the leader in accidents among aircraft of the 4th generation, every 7 aircraft out of 4600 units crashed for technical reasons.

        Since the start of operation, 671 F-16 Fighting Falcon crashes were recorded, in which 208 pilots and 98 people who were in the crash zones of this aircraft were killed. Oddly enough, this sounds - the American Air Force was the most "distinguished", having lost 286 aircraft. F-16 combat losses for the entire time participating in local wars amounted to about 160 fighters.


        So, perhaps for this very reason, the Russian Aerospace Forces does not want a single-engine fighter. It is fair to say that the life and training of a pilot in Russia is more expensive than the second engine.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 7 May 2021 12: 46
          +1
          So they fly many times more and from a bunch of countries. And at least it has competitors. There would be no such massive sales. And its turbojet engine is one of the most reliable in the world.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 13: 11
            0
            What makes you think that the F-16 fly many times more?

            The flight hours of Soviet / Russian pilots (we do not take 90s) are no less than those of NATO.

            For the same Indians, the level of skill is not a bit lower than that of NATO, the constant victories in training battles at least speak of good training of pilots.

            So, why all of a sudden the difference is direct at times?

            The engine for the MiG-35 is constantly being improved, like for any other aircraft.

            And judging by the more than 650 crashes of the F-16 out of 4600 aircraft produced, not everything is great with them.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 7 May 2021 13: 13
              -3
              And from the 90th to today ..... what is the plaque of the 29x? And the F16 is still being produced and flies according to NATO standards ... and they have not changed since the days of the USSR.
        2. Avior
          Avior 7 May 2021 12: 54
          +4
          Reliability is looked at on the fly, and not by the number of issued
          Distinguishing plaque in combat conditions besides
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 13: 13
            +1
            And that our pilots are much inferior to NATO in flight hours?

            Or maybe our pilots flew less than NATO pilots in the USSR?

            And the combat conditions, this is when they can really shoot down, and in such conditions, NATO flew the last time in Iraq in the early 90s, where the greatest danger for them was the MiG-25, the aircraft of the 3rd generation, which, despite all this, managed to shoot down and F-18 and F-15.

            So, speed and maneuverability are a serious plus.

            And NATO members have never fought on equal terms.

            1. Avior
              Avior 7 May 2021 15: 09
              +3
              It's about pilots, but about planes
              And combat conditions are not necessary when they can shoot down
        3. Doliva63
          Doliva63 7 May 2021 18: 58
          -1
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          F-16 is still the leader in accidents among aircraft of the 4th generation, every 7 aircraft out of 4600 units crashed for technical reasons.

          Since the start of operation, 671 F-16 Fighting Falcon crashes were recorded, in which 208 pilots and 98 people who were in the crash zones of this aircraft were killed. Oddly enough, this sounds - the American Air Force was the most "distinguished", having lost 286 aircraft. F-16 combat losses for the entire time participating in local wars amounted to about 160 fighters.


          So, perhaps for this very reason, the Russian Aerospace Forces does not want a single-engine fighter. It is fair to say that the life and training of a pilot in Russia is more expensive than the second engine.

          Take the good old Su-17 in all its modifications - did it crash a lot due to the fact that the engine is 1? Not sure. Well, it was with us, we jumped because of the surge on takeoff, but so 2 could pump, why not? And so - more than 2000 cars were produced. This is nonsense, about the reliability of 2 motor. Someone wanted to destroy our IBA, and destroyed it.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 7 May 2021 13: 05
        +4
        Zaur, is "single mate" "one mate" or "one mate"?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 7 May 2021 13: 08
          0
          One Mot .........
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 7 May 2021 13: 10
            +1
            Clear. Again the money was passed ...
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 May 2021 11: 06
    +2
    When they are bombed in Syria, then exports can be viewed as a reality.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 May 2021 11: 11
      +9
      For Syria, their capabilities "Above the roof"
      ... Can replace all types of aircraft
      1. Stas Sv
        Stas Sv 7 May 2021 11: 29
        -3
        Are the characteristics comparable to modern Dryers? Think for yourself. Radius for example ...
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 May 2021 11: 38
          +8
          Quote: Stas Sv
          Are the characteristics comparable to modern Dryers? Think for yourself. Radius for example ...



          What's wrong with the range of the MiG-35?


          The aircraft has a length of 17,3 meters, maximum takeoff weight - 29,7 tons, combat load - 7 tons, maximum speed - 2,5 thousand km / h, practical range - 3 km. It is equipped with a Zhuk-AE radar with an active phased antenna array, and has a fly-by-wire control system. It can detect the launch of an enemy missile and track its movement. Its radars are able to see an aerodynamic target already at a distance of 000-200 km. The combat radius of such a vehicle is 260 km. In terms of the rate of climb, it has no equal - as much as 1 m / s.


          TTX Su-35.
          .This is a heavy fighter. He, unlike the light MiG-35, can fight and defend the territory from the enemy, dictate his terms to the enemy. He is even able to defeat the representative of the fifth generation - the "American" F-22.

          The length of the aircraft is 21,9 m, the maximum take-off weight is 34,5 tons, and the combat load is 8 tons. The maximum speed is 2,5 km / h, the non-stop distance is 3 km, the rate of climb is 500 m / s, and the combat radius is 280 km. The distance from which the target is detected is 1 km.

          https://samoletos.ru/samolety/su-35-i-mig-35
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 7 May 2021 12: 28
            0
            Everything is so .... but the price + or - is similar to the Su35S ..... the operating costs are also. and Progress with the line of turbojet engines -Al31, Al41, Product30 is obvious. And Su30 will already be transferred to Al41. With RD-33, so far only modernization.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 7 May 2021 12: 35
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Everything is so .... but the price + or - is similar to the Su35S ..... the operating costs are also. and Progress with the line of turbojet engines -Al31, Al41, Product30 is obvious. And Su30 will already be transferred to Al41. With RD-33, so far only modernization.


              So what. The MiG-35 will find its place in the RF Aerospace Forces.
              Meanwhile, the Su-35 is also more powerful in armament: its combat load is up to 8000 kg. And 12 weapons suspension nodes. And it takes more rockets, stronger. So, maybe the MiG-35 is not needed, why spend money on it?

              Let's analyze the actions in modern airspace from the point of view of their purpose. Enemy bombers are flying in order to bomb something important here. The air defense, for example, did not cope with its task, or it was knocked out by a massive wave of cruise missiles and drones. Means what? Yes, the bombers are being attacked by fighter-interceptors. Fast, but powerful and heavy vehicles with severe weaponry capable of reliably bringing down the enemy ... well, in general - bringing down the enemy.

              But the interceptors are immediately hunted by enemy interceptors guarding bombers and ... and fighters. And who is on them?

              For all its godlike maneuverability, the Su-35 is still a classic interceptor fighter. And he, too, must be protected by someone - fast and nimble. Who is it? Is it not a "competitor"?

              Yes. For example, for the reason that the MiG-35 overtakes all other fighters in the world in terms of climb rate. Its 330 m / s is best answered by the French Dassault Rafale - 305 m / s. The Su-35 is also worse at 280 m / s, but better than the F-16 with its 250 m / s. And already the promoted F-35A from only 240 m / s, our MiG will beat in flight like a duck.

              It makes no sense to compare electronic systems, radars, avionics: both machines are equipped with the best that can be developed and produced in our defense industry. And all this, naturally, will continue to improve. Already today, the detection range of air targets by the new modification of the Zhuk-AM radar reaches 300 km, and this is already quite enough for any reasonable reaction to the fact of target illumination on the display.


              https://m.tsargrad.tv/articles/mig-sdelal-zajavku-na-pobedu-nad-su_218235
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 7 May 2021 12: 51
                0
                There is a classic division into heavy and light fighter ... some air forces have one - medium. What is described - a light fighter should do. Even in the United States, the F18 is a specialized carrier-based fighter. The J-10 variant for our poor country, with the reproach for systems and turbojet engines compatible with the Su35S (and in the future with the Su57) would be much better.
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 7 May 2021 12: 59
                  +3
                  Do you want us to buy J-10? belay God forbid from such a fate. I want to cry just at the thought of it. crying An empty MiG-35 weighs 11 tons, why is it not a light fighter, why is it worse than the J-10?
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 7 May 2021 13: 01
                    0
                    This issue had to be addressed when choosing the MiG29 scheme ..... all the more, it was not a bad MiG23MLD by that time. And it is necessary to pay attention to this if a light fighter of the 5th generation is to be made.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 7 May 2021 18: 08
                      +3
                      It was then that they made their choice. And the choice is unambiguous - "henceforth, all fighters with ONLY two engines". Moreover, the engines must be spaced apart, so that if one of them is damaged, when the blades and other fragments fly in different directions, the second engine still survived and was taken out of the battle. This is how the MiG-29 and Su-27 appeared, and that is why they are so similar.
                      And it is for this reason (and not only because of this) that they turned out to be so good.
                      But the downside was the cost and complexity of the service. Maintaining two engines is twice as difficult and longer than one. It is also necessary to change two engines on schedule, and more than once in the life of an aircraft it is more expensive. And if for the USSR it was not so important, or at least tolerable, then foreign customers had to realize that it is twice as difficult and more expensive.
                      And the conclusions about "only two engines" were drawn from the experience of the Vietnam War - observing American Phantoms, which left on one engine, and the engines were separated, and the power of the two engines, and hence the thrust-to-weight ratio of the aircraft, was impressive. And the analysis of survival in case of a lesion of a different nature. As well as the requirements for the maximum possible view from the cockpit and visibility back (a weak point in the MiG-21 \ 23 \ 25 and Su aircraft of all previous modifications.
                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      the more was not a bad MiG23MLD by that time.

                      Not bad against Phantoms and Mirages, but not F-16.
                      But the MiG-23MLD was really going to modernize - to install an airborne radar from the MiG-29, as well as avionics from it. The advantage of the MiG-23MLD was a slightly higher speed, it could fly longer in supersonic mode at low altitude with a breakout / breakthrough (the shaking from turbulence was much less) and had a slightly longer range. But the modernization did not take place - the Union was gone.
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 8 May 2021 07: 59
                        +4
                        I read a monologue on the creation of the MiG29 .... there were two factors:
                        1. Lack of turbojet engine of required thrust
                        2. Lack of reliable turbojet engine
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 8 May 2021 12: 29
                        0
                        TsAGI calculated and developed a layout scheme and offered it to both design bureaus.
                        Indeed, the MiGars did not have a more powerful and reliable engine than the MiG-23MLD for a single-engine aircraft. And without increasing the thrust-to-weight ratio to 1 or even slightly more, it was already impossible.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 May 2021 11: 10
    +1
    The MiG-35 multipurpose fighter is created on the basis of the MiG-29K / KUB and MiG-29M / M2, being a deep modernization of the 4th generation fighter.
    The question is, what goals and tasks will / can perform ... and also, who will be the enemy?
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 7 May 2021 12: 44
      -1
      he has only one task, to sell more for export
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 May 2021 13: 02
        0
        Specifically to India.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 7 May 2021 13: 04
        0
        Not everywhere, where they could buy it, they will not ask the same questions ...
        This narrows the area of ​​distribution, interest in this technique.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 40
      -5
      and yet, who will be the enemy?
      you can see it will not be in the sky at all, the crews will not fly out of laughter, and the crews of the echelons of air defense complexes will immediately die of laughter when it breaks through the echeloned network of modern air defense systems of any average NATO country, you can not even talk about the countries of the "golden billion" at all .. .there would be, so as not to be shot down on the way to the state borders, some kind of Turks, or a German with the Norwegians, with the help of "evil" and very successful products, such as: NCADE / AMRAAM ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 May 2021 13: 57
        +1
        The plane was late ... even the upgrades and outboard bells and whistles will not make it something else, in relation to how it was originally designed.
        1. vic02
          vic02 7 May 2021 15: 40
          +4
          The plane was late ... even the upgrades and outboard bells and whistles will not make it something else, in relation to how it was originally designed.
          I disagree with you. When bringing the radar up to date, it is quite a good fighter. The United States, too, did not take a steam bath and put new engines on the F-15, AFAR and voila, they are buying in hundreds.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 May 2021 15: 49
            +1
            Quote: vic02
            I do not agree with you.

            I didn’t write that the plane was bad, he was just late so that it would be released / bought a LOT / enough.
            Quote: vic02
            The USA also did not take a steam bath, but bet

            Yes, they did not take a steam bath, they even ordered modernized aircraft of previous generations ... but they are producing / making / experimenting with the second model, the next generation aircraft, designing the next one, and not starting the production of a new / old model.
            It seems to me that this plane will no longer go, and then how will it go. I dont know.
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 7 May 2021 14: 05
        +4
        Quote: Intruder
        and yet, who will be the enemy?
        you can see it will not be in the sky at all, the crews will not fly out of laughter, and the crews of the echelons of air defense complexes will immediately die of laughter when it breaks through the echeloned network of modern air defense systems of any average NATO country, you can not even talk about the countries of the "golden billion" at all .. .there would be, so as not to be shot down on the way to the state borders, some kind of Turks, or a German with the Norwegians, with the help of "evil" and very successful products, such as: NCADE / AMRAAM ...

        We also have evil R-37M, R-27ER, R-77-1, we are testing Product 180 (K-77M), K-74M2. We ourselves can knock someone down. No need to beat the show-off here. Tell the children the tale of the golden billion. Maybe they'll believe you.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 7 May 2021 14: 40
          -1
          Tell the children the tale of the golden billion. Maybe they'll believe you.
          Wah, how cleverly and well they said, no less a fairy tale can be seen, about: "universal brotherhood" and about that "gopher", which is not visible !? laughing For a long time you traveled to another country, for example (a primitive scheme for analytics), and did not even notice what and how it was before applying for a visa !? Or ... how is the origin attributed to the possibility of obtaining different categories of visas for immigrants from different countries ???
      3. standan
        standan 7 May 2021 21: 30
        +3
        Since when did fighters begin to break through air defense?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 8 May 2021 09: 41
          0
          Since when did fighters begin to break through air defense
          well, apparently from this year and began ... wink
          1. standan
            standan 8 May 2021 23: 10
            0
            Can you give me one example?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 May 2021 11: 27
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    The right plane. Easier to dry, less running cost. Twin engine - higher reliability than single engine. Well, he has a decent avionics

    I agree, although the plane is not several times cheaper than Drying. Having two planes is more expensive to operate than one. but more export options are opening with two, or even better with three fighters (if there was a single-engine, really light fighter).
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 May 2021 09: 43
      0
      Having two planes is more expensive to operate than one. but more export options are opening with two, or even better with three fighters (if there was a single-engine, really light fighter).
      This, of course, is good for marketing, but it would be better if all this was provided not by the number of lines and versions, but by quality at a certain level of progress, to a heap so ...!?
  • vic02
    vic02 7 May 2021 11: 34
    +3
    In the next article about the MiG-35, again, not a word about which radar will be installed in fighters. According to open information (ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-35) "the presence of a radar with AFAR in the version for the Russian Aerospace Forces has not been confirmed." Instead, there is a conventional mechanical scan. A plane without AFAR is already yesterday.
  • sledak
    sledak 7 May 2021 11: 52
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It will go for export. For "dog fights" between third world pilots -
    just right.

    Experience shows that it is better to over than under
    Hurry up to conclusions, wait and see.
    However, we are better off when your allies are not ready, and we pleasantly surprise you.

    Ps in developing, and not "third" countries, there are asses not worse than yours, I am not talking about your allies at all.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 7 May 2021 12: 19
    0
    In addition to this program, Mushegh Baloyan oversees the creation of a light front-line multifunctional aircraft (LFMS).


    And this is about what plane?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 May 2021 12: 32
      +1
      5th generation light fighter. The Su-57 will replace the Su-27 and its modifications, and this one will replace the MiG-29 and its modifications.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 8 May 2021 08: 36
        +1
        The Su-57 will not replace the Su-27. The circulation of the Su-57 will be relatively small - less than a hundred vehicles in 10 years.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 9 May 2021 06: 07
        0
        Now it is fashionable to change the number in the name of the aircraft, but on the network it is some kind of MiG-29M2.
        It's like F-16 "block 50" and "block 70". The plane is one, with improved avionics and slightly improved flight characteristics
        A completely new lightweight fighter will likely have to wait for a long time ..
  • Wolf
    Wolf 7 May 2021 12: 20
    0
    The most important thing is what kind of radar there is and its capabilities.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 7 May 2021 12: 30
      +2
      The detection range of the latest modification of the AFAR Zhuk-AM reaches 300 km.
      1. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 7 May 2021 13: 32
        +2
        If such a radar were released, uncomfortable questions would arise as to why it surpasses Bars-R in such parameters. I think the problems in the developer are serious, there are no specialists, no programmers to write signal processing algorithms, perhaps there is not even a sufficient number of produced GaN emitters. AFAR radars are too deeply integrated into the control system of the aircraft itself, there are millions, if not tens of millions of lines of code. In fact, there is now one AFAR competence center, and it is deeply occupied with Belka.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 7 May 2021 13: 37
          0
          That's exactly what one, it is he who deals with both AFAR Zhuk-AM and Belka. The principles of work are the same.
          1. Hexenmeister
            Hexenmeister 7 May 2021 13: 49
            +2
            That's exactly what one, it is he who deals with both AFAR Zhuk-AM and Belka.
            The developers are different. Instead of a radar with a slot antenna, the MiG-29 has long been offered Bars-29 from this "other" developer.
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 7 May 2021 14: 41
          0
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          problems in the developer are serious, there are no specialists, no programmers to write signal processing algorithms, perhaps there is not even a sufficient number of produced GaN emitters.

          There are specialists, and all the algorithms have been written long ago.
          But with the production, yes, the trouble.
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 7 May 2021 14: 45
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The detection range of the latest modification of the AFAR Zhuk-AM reaches 300 km.

        Detection range of what?
        A shed like the MiG itself?
        And at what distance will he see the "penguin"?
        The range of the locator, it is, depends not only on the power / sensitivity, but also on the RCS of the target. And about this in your advertising is somehow very vague.
      3. Avior
        Avior 7 May 2021 15: 16
        +1
        ... flight tests have shown that the range against a target with an RCS of 5 m2 is over 130 km in the front hemisphere and 60 km in the rear, the range against ground targets was 61-72 km
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 May 2021 11: 26
          +3
          This means that the F-35 will first see the optical device of this
          fighter, and only then the radar.
          This was told by European pilots after the joint NATO exercises:
          "We can already clearly see the F-35 with optics, but the radar is clean."
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 8 May 2021 13: 16
          +1
          The Global Security resource cites data that the EPR of the F-22 fighter is the lowest among the combat aircraft in service with the US Air Force. According to reports that appeared in November 2005, the US Air Force stated that the frontal RCS (in front of +/- 20 ° from the longitudinal axis) of the F-22 is 0,0001-0,0002 sq. m. In comparison, the RCS from the same angle of the F-35 fighter is 0,0015 sq. m, that is, about 10 times more than the F-22. EPR of the F-35 is equal to the same indicator of the tactical stealth bomber F-117 ...

          Based on the fact that the RCS of the F-35 is 3333 times less than the declared 5 m2, for 0,0015 m2 the detection range will be 7,6 times less than the declared 130 km, or 17,1 km.
          For confident visual detection, it is still far away, but the OLS must see it from 20-30 kilometers in the PPS.
          The trouble is that 1-2 AIM-120 will arrive long before that. Here, modification D is not even necessary (180 km), and C-7 (120 km) is enough. On the fighter, the launch will be with <= 50% of the maximum range, 40-60 km.
  • sledak
    sledak 7 May 2021 12: 21
    +7
    Quote: vic02
    In the next article about the MiG-35, again, not a word about which radar will be installed in fighters. According to open information (ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-35) "the presence of a radar with AFAR in the version for the Russian Aerospace Forces has not been confirmed." Instead, there is a conventional mechanical scan. A plane without AFAR is already yesterday.


    Who reads about such things on Vika when there is official data ...

    The main advantages of the MiG-35 fighter:
    Reduced radar signature
    Quadruple redundancy across all control channels
    Avionics of a new generation: radar with AFAR, optical location station, helmet-mounted target designation and indication system
    Modern information and control field of the cab with a high level of automation

    http://www.migavia.ru/index.php/ru/produktsiya/novejshij-istrebitel-mig-35
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 7 May 2021 12: 59
      0
      Well, it's clear, i.e. blinking sheep, just before the merger, finally learned to design and manufacture the 4 ++ generation.
    2. vic02
      vic02 7 May 2021 13: 01
      +4
      Who reads about such things on Vika when there is official data ...
      On the website, the manufacturer also indicates incomplete information. For the MiG-35, there are options with an AFAR and a slot antenna. According to official reports for 2018, "At the first stage, Zhuk-M type radars were installed on the fighter, which were also installed on MiG-29SMT fighters" and "In the future, the corporation plans to offer AFAR to buyers as an option, Tarasenko added." - this is the general director of MiG. https://rg.ru/2018/11/28/mig-35-poluchit-radar-s-aktivnoj-fazirovannoj-antennoj-reshetkoj.html
      Therefore, the question is what has now been established. Since they are silent, there are no changes since 2018.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 32
        0
        "At the first stage, Zhuk-M type radars were installed on the fighter, which were also installed on MiG-29SMT fighters" and "In the future, the corporation plans to offer AFAR to buyers as an option, Tarasenko added."
        That is, these are special stages - hmm, an interesting marketing move by the manufacturer winked , and so the old one will stand: H036 "Squirrel" or even older: H035 "Irbis", as a "chip" version in the basic configuration !?
  • Intruder
    Intruder 7 May 2021 13: 27
    +1
    The MiG-35 fighter is designed to participate in intense hostilities, where it is necessary to face the enemy's echeloned air defense
    Oh, just the same - an air defense breakthrough plane and why is it interesting to break through entire echelons of air defense complexes ??? Quantity ... angry
  • Anachoret
    Anachoret 7 May 2021 13: 29
    0
    long-awaited bird) grab the enemy by the testicle)

    on performance characteristics the car is excellent! we are still waiting for real production samples run in battle
  • Trickster
    Trickster 7 May 2021 13: 43
    +5
    Well, buy a moment-35, well, buy it, please, we are no worse than a su-35, well, really. Unfortunately the plane was born dead. It is not needed either abroad or its own army.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 7 May 2021 14: 45
      -1
      Well, buy a moment-35, well, buy it, please, we are no worse than a su-35, well, really. Unfortunately the plane was born dead. It is not needed either abroad or its own army.
      a variety of domestic aircraft manufacturers in nature, and not only here! Wow, at least something to roll out to the market is different, "evil tongues" and competitors from the area will peck: "MIG is not the same and not cake" !? request
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 7 May 2021 14: 52
    +1
    The performance characteristics of an aircraft as such can be good, only an aircraft is only a part of the system. And it is not intended for acrobatics and parades, but stupidly deliver weapons to the right place and ensure their use. And this is where the questions begin.
    Yes, there is speed, there is maneuverability, but you can also see him from afar, until he flies his thousand kilometers to the battlefield, but everyone who is nearby will be shot, both from the ground and from the air. And it is far from the fact that his maneuverability is enough to spin.
    But his ancient slotted radar will easily and naturally be overwhelmed by interference, so that he will not even see who he should shoot at.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 May 2021 09: 46
      -1
      but you can also see him from afar, until he flies his thousand kilometers to the battlefield, but everyone who is near will be shot, both from the ground and from the air
      Well, on the other hand, maybe this is the hidden idea of ​​the manufacturer or the customer? To undermine the enemy's economy, by the total expenditure of ammunition for echeloned air defense, while immediately and precisely for its breakthrough, with other types of aircraft !? laughing
  • Klingon
    Klingon 7 May 2021 15: 50
    -1
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Quote: yehat2
    it shouldn't be an option. It is shameful in today's times to let out a half-blind car,
    after all, quite a few probable targets are already using visibility reduction.


    I agree. But we are grabbing to build everything and at once with the efforts of only our industry, and the budget is not rubber, as you understand.

    The budget is bursting at the seams from the trillions of tugriks lying there, but it is only being wasted where it is not clear. Yes, and Edro must be kept. This is extremely important! Not to support pensioners and to support all kinds of startups there. wassat
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 7 May 2021 16: 32
      0
      The budget * for our cash desk) cannot burst if the prices for GRAIN, gas and oil are growing. Enough already liberal lies and grain nastayayushche and naturally cannot live at the same price as GMO poison from the west, the same applies to MEAT AND CHEESES !!!
      Only totalni will eat pasta on GMO grain if he eats naturally.
  • xorek
    xorek 7 May 2021 16: 47
    0
    "The plane is easy to fly and forgives a lot":

    Well, it has always been a feature in Russian weapons .. Well, God forbid, I would go into the series.
    Well, now the criticism will pour in, as always .. negative
    1. Shishkov
      Shishkov 8 May 2021 22: 11
      0
      If I am not mistaken, Balayan quoted literally the test pilot who tested the Yak-3 for the first time. Such a joke for those who are in the subject) Unfortunately, I can not find the link, if someone in the know tells me, I will be grateful
  • Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 7 May 2021 20: 17
    0
    It is high time. We often simply have nothing to offer to customers for whom a heavy fighter is redundant - operating costs, infrastructure, etc.

    And the anti-guerrilla must be washed down like the turboprop Embraer.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 7 May 2021 21: 28
    0
    The prospects of the Mig 35 are visible primarily in its export potential, the generation is 4 ++, while the delivery of this type of Mig to the Russian Aerospace Forces should proceed from the role and place of this light MFI in the Russian strategy of modern air combat, while the active development of drones in recent years, that the same "Hunter", for example, in the future will compete with light MFIs, another thing is the Su 57, it is a multifunctional combat platform that controls the UAV
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 7 May 2021 22: 26
    0
    bully Why do you need to take a certain amount of mig-35? because the operation of 10 vehicles during the year will allow you to save the amount that allows you to buy one Su-35 in a year ... and the operation of 60 vehicles will allow you to buy 2 MRKs ... or save on the purchase of a corvette in 2 years ..
  • Light
    Light 8 May 2021 03: 27
    0
    For Syria, these MiGs, and with the Orions, would be just right. More than enough for barmalers of all stripes, and not overhead in terms of operating costs.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 8 May 2021 19: 23
    0
    Good export option.
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 8 May 2021 19: 25
    +2
    The question is not only about "easy to manage". The Po-2 is easy to fly, but not a modern combat fighter. I (as well as potential customers) am interested in something else:
    a) Flight performance, time of turn (instanteneous turn rate and sustained turn rate), time of climb (climb rate), range. The possibility of supersonic without afterburner (supercruise).
    b) Electronic stuffing: Electro-optical sensors, AFAR, IR detectors, electronic warfare equipment.
    c) Armament: what is suspended on it and how much. NURS can also be hung on a corn plant ...
    d) Comparison with foreign fighters of generations 4 ++, for example with Grippen, F16 Block 50-70. Super Hornet, Rafale, Typhoon, etc. etc.
    e) Speaking of Grippen, what about the take-off / landing distance and ease of maintenance?
    f) What about the integration of the pilot and the vehicle (see Grippen)
    g) What do we have with reduced radar and IR signature?
    h) The ability to integrate weapons with foreign systems. A potential customer may wish to hang French, Israeli or even Chinese Missiles on the Mig.
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 9 May 2021 18: 32
    -2
    For 20 years, the project for the modernization of Mig29 lay under the carpet. The matter only got off the ground when Poghosyan was kicked out of Su. Then some crumbs from the master's table began to fall into Migu.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 11 May 2021 08: 06
    -1
    Quote: Barberry25
    the mig-35 is made on the basis of the mig-29K, so the base already exists

    the base was.
    in contrast to drying, many components for the instant have long been manufactured piece by piece, which cannot affect attempts to expand a larger production.