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View from the West: "Russian special services are at war"

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In the West, they propose to call 2021 the year of the Russian special services. They became protagonists in at least four high-profile actions and figures in investigations of different states. Without a doubt, Russia has proven that it can act around the world, but the blatant failures and setbacks, the limited resources of the Russian special services, also proved that they are weak. This opinion is expressed by Dr. Christopher Nering from the University of Potsdam in the material for the German newspaper Deutsche Welle.


State of war


According to Mr. Nering, the Russian special services for Moscow are playing a role unattainable for the Russian army. They are in a state of war and carry out special operations around the world without starting direct hostilities, which are highly undesirable for the Kremlin. Therefore, it was the instrument of the "secret" operation that was chosen.

But even taking into account the fact that the armed forces of the Russian Federation are not being used, military activity continues, and certain political goals of Moscow are being achieved. So the absence of direct aggression cannot be a reason to mitigate the issue of consequences.

Given these circumstances, Dr. Nering suggests analyzing what lessons can be learned from such behavior in Russia?

Sign of weakness and disproportionate results


According to the former chief of the British MI6, even despite the sometimes "clumsy" methods of the Russian special services and agents, it is still possible to disclose and detect only a tenth of their actions. But where the investigation yields a result, there is clearly an ordinary human factor.

But the ex-agent of British intelligence is sure that you should not be afraid of a demonstration of force - demonstration operations are at the same time a sign of weakness, and it's not even about negligence and miscalculations, but about political sanctions for such actions. Considering also the enormous costs of obtaining data on the United States or NATO, which are not of great value, all this speaks of a disproportionate effort and a bottom line.

But in Moscow they cannot do otherwise, Nering is sure. The Kremlin is facing new challenges for itself - virtual reality and online media, which are difficult to control with the help of threats or authoritative influence alone. All these modern phenomena of social life, which have become a powerful reality, have arisen and function according to their own laws, which are unknown to people of the old school, and obviously seem dangerous and hostile. They will be the focus of the harmful effects in the future, which will consist in attempts to political pressure, blackmail or even direct interference in the work of digital systems.

All such statements as a peculiar view from the West, it is noteworthy, are based on unfounded accusations from Western countries against the Russian special services - either in the explosions at military depots in the Czech Republic and Bulgaria, or in the poisoning of the Skripals. At the same time, the West does not provide any evidence, often claiming that they are allegedly secret.
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  1. Peak
    Peak 7 May 2021 05: 36
    +2
    For Moscow, the Russian special services are playing a role unattainable for the Russian army. They are in a state of war and carry out special operations around the world without starting direct hostilities, which are highly undesirable for the Kremlin. Therefore, it was the instrument of the "secret" operation that was chosen.


    Interestingly, in other countries, in the same "developed West", the special services act differently during the period of obvious confrontation?

    Even if our special services are a little ahead of events, what is not usual in this? And the army what ... The army will "catch up" yes when you need it.
    1. Finches
      Finches 7 May 2021 05: 42
      +28
      "Russia has only two allies! Petrov and Boshirov!" laughing
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 7 May 2021 06: 16
        -36%
        ... outright failures and failures, limited resources of Russian special services, also proved they are weak.

        If the level of our intelligence - Petrov, Bashirov, Chapman - then it is so.

        Now the failed agent and NLPist Anna Chapman, being expelled from the West, is giving money to her native Russian flock. Shares the secrets of mastery. Offers breakthrough training under the abbreviation "Connections are everything!" However, for kumovskaya and clan Russia, where social elevators do not work any differently, this is just as important, more than relevant.

        Price from 20 to 100 thousand for webinars. And a half-hour meeting costs half a million rubles. Not bad for a failed and decommissioned agent!
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 7 May 2021 09: 22
          +7
          Sign up? Not? Because it’s not interesting ... And the bulk of the mass is not interested. The rest are optional.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 7 May 2021 09: 30
            -10%
            Quote: sleeve
            Sign up? Not?

            Are you interested? I can give you a reference! For the Zaputins, this is clearly an interesting topic. Yes, and they are close to Chapman in spirit, commitment to EdRu and to our president.
            1. sleeve
              sleeve 7 May 2021 09: 34
              +5
              Wow. The mention of Putin and EdRa is already in the second sentence?) Can't you live without them?) I understand ...
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 7 May 2021 09: 35
                +2
                In the second comment, sorry ...
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 7 May 2021 09: 45
                  -6
                  Quote: sleeve
                  In the second comment, sorry ...

                  It's okay! I didn't even pay attention to it.
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 7 May 2021 09: 39
                -9
                Quote: sleeve
                Mention of Putin and EdRa already in the second sentence?) Can't you live without them?)

                Sorry if this hurts you badly. I thought the Zaputins would be pleased to mention their preferences!))
                1. sleeve
                  sleeve 7 May 2021 09: 52
                  +8
                  What do you mean, it was not worth the apology. I will show, of course, your comment, named by you. Most curious)) Can you excuse one of these? Are you an egalitarian and individual? Anyway, not a liberal sense, so to speak, a tough "intellectual Black Hundred"? Well, and besides, you are interested in the special services quite deeply ... I didn’t know anything about Chapman except her “Ren-TV” career. But thanks to you, I became enlightened)) Since I had a chance to meet with an expert on the site, do not tell me what the reason for Chapman's failure will be?
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 7 May 2021 10: 06
                    -8
                    Quote: sleeve
                    I didn’t know anything about Chapman except her “Ren-TV” career.

                    I didn't know either, until Chapman's Instagram ads appeared. It became interesting, I went in for the sake of curiosity (to make a psychological portrait of the former intelligence officer) and watched her free performance. Her level is an ordinary info-gypsy who lures you into paid courses. By the way, he is very proud of his spy scandal.
                    1. sleeve
                      sleeve 7 May 2021 10: 13
                      +4
                      Well, why not be proud of that? She was an agency and well done. And what is today is today.
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 7 May 2021 15: 53
                        +1
                        "View from the West:" Russian special services are at war "

                        No wonder, the usual Western nonsense to justify their "struggle with the terrible Petrov, Boshirov and Russia." laughing Sami invented, terrified, frightened, refuted and accused. laughing

                        And the Russian special services are working, of course. But not as disastrous as portrayed in the West! lol
                    2. Charik
                      Charik 8 May 2021 17: 58
                      0
                      Yes, like Butina, I rewound half a year in the amerskoy zone, oh I felt bad there, but I ate there that not every house has both the Internet and home video communication, but now RussiaTudey does not work.
                    3. Victorio
                      Victorio 8 May 2021 21: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Quote: sleeve
                      I didn’t know anything about Chapman except her “Ren-TV” career.

                      I didn't know either, until Chapman's Instagram ads appeared. It became interesting, I went in for the sake of curiosity (to make a psychological portrait of the former intelligence officer) and watched her free performance. Her level is an ordinary info-gypsy who lures you into paid courses. By the way, he is very proud of his spy scandal.

                      ===
                      yes, what scouts they should and are, the west will tell and show us
            2. Compasure
              Compasure 9 May 2021 00: 50
              0
              I wonder who you are for?
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 7 May 2021 12: 56
          +3
          You are doing teenage NLPism here, together with the "respected doctor" Nering. At first they themselves invented the "failures" of our special services, now they themselves are discussing them as a fait accompli.
          This whole article carries 0 sense and is designed only to consolidate in the mind of the reader the thought that our special services are really to blame for everything previously incriminated to us. Down with proofs and common sense, let's just call it a fact and build on this all new "logical constructions".
          Tell me, does it work for someone? The "tool" is clearly designed for complete idiots.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 7 May 2021 14: 05
            -5
            Is it too little to use the Internet? Type in a search engine the sentence: "Another high-profile failure of Russian intelligence: what is known about the Russians detained in the Netherlands" and be surprised at the "high" level of these agents.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 7 May 2021 21: 37
              +1
              Do you understand printed text at all?
            2. sleeve
              sleeve 8 May 2021 12: 31
              0
              I'll probably go from here. For a second it seemed that we were talking about special services. Now, not at all ...
            3. dali
              dali 8 May 2021 16: 51
              +2
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Is it too little to use the Internet? Type in a search engine the sentence: "Another high-profile failure of Russian intelligence: what is known about the Russians detained in the Netherlands" and be surprised at the "high" level of these agents.

              Oh ... yet another fan-fan ... who believes everything that is written in the West ...
              .Yes, references to this "failure" are most ashamed of what to lay out ?! And we'll see who wrote it ... or wrote it. laughing
            4. Usher
              Usher 9 May 2021 00: 51
              -1
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Is it too little to use the Internet? Type in a search engine the sentence: "Another high-profile failure of Russian intelligence: what is known about the Russians detained in the Netherlands" and be surprised at the "high" level of these agents.

              Nathanil disappeared here, but the smell remained))))
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 7 May 2021 14: 48
          0
          As if in the USA or France, connections do not play a role. They have these connections with the school! All Ivy League sorts were not invented by Russians at all ...
        4. ppgt90
          ppgt90 8 May 2021 13: 47
          -1
          And where did so many abominations come from? Really constipation of thoughts, and diarrhea of ​​words? Well, man "knows" everything and he has been everywhere. Kind. Your foolishness rushing the ninth wave. You should see a psychiatrist.
        5. dali
          dali 8 May 2021 16: 46
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Now a failed agent and NLPist Anna Chapman, being exiled from the West

          If our scouts are betrayed by a traitor, are they, our scouts are bad? belay
          Who are you ?! belay Although it’s understandable, it’s non-profitable.
        6. Charik
          Charik 8 May 2021 17: 54
          0
          half an hour, half an hour, not sickly "social responsibility", I am glad that at least from America "presented" some technologies.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 May 2021 06: 22
        +22
        Quote: Finches
        "Russia has only two allies! Petrov and Boshirov!"

        And we.

        Greetings, Eugene! hi

        And how do the Russian special services say real FACTS, and not the dumb chatter of the West: only in the last year they prevented 44 terrorist attacks and several hundred militants captured and destroyed.

        And on the squeaks and so on, let the idiot answer a simple question: how is it, given such a resonance of the event and the sanctions already imposed, a CRIMINAL case of poisoning them in England ... even not excited still? We are already silent about court ?
        while in Russia such a case has been initiated and is being investigated ...
        And so in everything ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 7 May 2021 06: 24
          +1
          Mutually, Andrey! hi And absolutely correct remark!
        2. Trotil42
          Trotil42 7 May 2021 06: 54
          0
          If the internet is to be believed ... instituted immediately ... investigation continues in 2020 ...
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 7 May 2021 07: 35
          -11%
          Quote: Olgovich
          how the special services of Russia work say real FACTSand not the stupid chatter of the West: last year alone, they prevented 44 terrorist attacks and captured and destroyed several hundred militants.

          And what are the successes of work behind enemy lines (in the West), and not in a comfortable home? What about it tell the real facts? This is what we are talking about. Perhaps we do not know success due to secrecy. But the level of the current declassified agents does not inspire confidence.
          1. Pilot
            Pilot 7 May 2021 07: 51
            -1
            Quote: Stas157
            And what are the successes of work behind enemy lines (in the West), and not in a comfortable home? What about it tell the real facts? This is what we are talking about. Perhaps we do not know success due to secrecy. But the level of the current declassified agents does not inspire confidence.
            Well, this is probably another cunning plan, through a couple of clumsy ones to show the low level of Russian intelligence. wink Real professionals have long been introduced to unfriendly countries under the guise of unpatriotic Russian officials, deputies and their offspring of the majors, secret villas have been acquired and secret contributions to the fight against adversaries have been organized. But it's a secret, shhh ...lol
            ps Recently, the deputy Kurinny (Communist Party of the Russian Federation) again raised the issue of banning foreign real estate abroad for civil servants, which infuriated the superpatriot Volodin ... Everything for the Motherland, everything for victory.)) wassat
            1. Charik
              Charik 8 May 2021 18: 02
              0
              Interestingly, but these TV propaganda, having foreign property and citizenship, are they civil servants?
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 7 May 2021 08: 27
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            And what are the successes of work behind enemy lines (in the West), and not in a comfortable home?

            There are successes, but no one will tell us about them in the next 50 years.
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            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 7 May 2021 14: 12
              -3
              I agree, there are successes: the traitor Litvinenko was killed, the traitor Skripal was crippled, the former Chechen field commander, a citizen of Georgia, Zelimkhan Khangoshvili, was killed in Berlin. No one will deny who benefits from the death of these people? And finally, an arms depot in the Czech Republic was blown up, which, therefore, did not appear in the hands of Bendera.
              1. meandr51
                meandr51 7 May 2021 14: 52
                0
                All this nonsense is beneficial only to the Americans and their controlled media. Themselves have come up with an excuse for sanctions and the transfer of troops to slap. And with the warehouse in general, a comedy of Czech humor: not only did they sleep for 7 years, and then poked their finger at the sky, they also said that mines exploded without explosives. Munchausen Award to Prague!
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 7 May 2021 19: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: meandr51
                  All this nonsense is beneficial only to the Americans and their controlled media.

                  If for 10 years shouting to the whole world "Russia is to blame for everything," then for 11 years even in the United States they will believe that President Linkolin was killed by Petrov and Bashirov. This is what the media hype is for.
              2. Charik
                Charik 8 May 2021 18: 08
                +1
                Solidarity, over there the Israelis do this and do not buzz
          3. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 7 May 2021 08: 59
            +3
            Stas? Terrorist detection work - in your opinion, is it a comfortable home environment? You want to spit on agents. killed in Dagestan during exposure and liquidation? Do you want to know the results of work in the West? If the result is positive, are they classified both for you and for Mr. Nering? And who will tell you if you are a general? Therefore, any reasoning about strength and weakness is nothing more than idle speculation! I agree that the level of declassified agents leaves much to be desired, as long as they are declassified. And what about the level of success? About Petrov and Boshirov. The glass is either half full or half empty. And you don't think it's appropriate to play cover-up dummies in their face. Painfully they are omnipresent!
            1. NIKN
              NIKN 7 May 2021 09: 26
              +3
              Reading this Nering, and not only him, but all the rhetoric about Russia, one question arises, are they born there or is this the result of education? Nothing else comes to mind, you could laugh, so it's sad ...
              Regarding the results, they have not disastrous results, by no means Ukraine, Georgia, conflicts around the entire perimeter of Russia ... but the collapse of the USSR alone is worth it. It is impossible to underestimate here.
              With regards to the disclosed agents, if you do not rely on feature films, then exposure usually occurs due to betrayal (I do not take pawns of the perpetrators of terrorist acts, who are eliminated in batches), i.e. the level is very high and it cannot be otherwise, such work is done by those who are trained by 5000%. Cover agents were and are, without them, as well as the fact that they are cover agents, they also do not know in most cases and are used as a last resort, for quite justified purposes. Were Petrov and Boshirov like that? It is not given to us to know this, well, it is simply not given. request
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 7 May 2021 14: 18
                -6
                Are you surprised at the level of knowledge of Europeans, doubt their knowledge? And I will tell you why there is such a difference between them and us - because they do not particularly watch our first TV channel, they have information from their sources, which they trust more. We are told one thing, they are told another, so we do not understand them, but they do not understand us.
                1. meandr51
                  meandr51 7 May 2021 14: 58
                  0
                  They have Fox News as an icon ...
                2. dali
                  dali 8 May 2021 16: 58
                  -1
                  Quote: Fan-Fan

                  Are you surprised at the level of knowledge of Europeans, doubt their knowledge? And I will tell you why there is such a difference between them and us - because they do not particularly watch our first TV channel, they have information from their sources, which they trust more. We are told one thing, they are told another, so we do not understand them, but they do not understand us.

                  laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                  You are a naive Lapland boy.
                  laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  And I'll tell you why there is such a difference between them and us ...
                  There is a fundamental difference between them and us, and you don't know a damn thing about it ...
          4. Alex777
            Alex777 7 May 2021 09: 43
            -1
            And what are the successes of working behind enemy lines (in the West), and not in a comfortable home environment? What do the real facts say about this? After all, this is what we are talking about. Perhaps we do not know success due to secrecy. But the level of the current declassified agents does not inspire confidence.

            Someone themselves to evaluate the actions of intelligence?
            Do you have a specialized education or do you use a training manual? bully
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 7 May 2021 14: 22
              -5
              Education is not particularly necessary, but you need to have a simple curiosity, and critical thinking, and at least the Russian-language Internet to wool, and then you can draw conclusions.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 7 May 2021 21: 08
                0
                Life experience was not included in the list of required merits. Which is not surprising. bully
              2. dali
                dali 8 May 2021 17: 05
                -1
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Education is not particularly necessary, but you need to have a simple curiosity, and critical thinking, and at least the Russian-language Internet to wool, and then you can draw conclusions.

                It's that ... who's it ... it's like ... there are simply no words ... there are such citizens who think that it is not necessary to study, it is not necessary to have life experience - that is. Give you the Internet in your hands and you are a super-duper-analyst right away ... laughing laughing laughing
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 8 May 2021 18: 18
                  -1
                  A person who knows how to think can make smart decisions and understand life, and not someone who graduated with honors from a university and boasts about it.
                  1. dali
                    dali 8 May 2021 18: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    A person who knows how to think can make smart decisions and understand life, and not someone who graduated with honors from a university and boasts about it.

                    Anyone who can graduate with honors from a university just can think.
                    The ability to think in the absence of other attendant conditions is a waste of time.
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    A person can make smart decisions and understand life

                    which has a basis for this - i.e. life experience and good knowledge, then the decisions will be really smart and useful ...

                    Yes ... the ability to think from scratch does not appear ...
                    As VI Lenin said - "Study, study and study again!"
        4. sleeve
          sleeve 7 May 2021 09: 24
          +1
          He clearly replied that their special services are in a new reality ... virtual. And there is no need for trial and evidence. The main thing is to be friends with the tooth fairy.
        5. mig29mks
          mig29mks 7 May 2021 12: 29
          0
          “I play myself, I sing myself, I sell tickets myself” is a typical behavior of the West.
      3. Peak
        Peak 7 May 2021 06: 58
        +14
        Quote: Finches
        "Russia has only two allies! Petrov and Boshirov!" laughing


        Yeah what These two are pure beasts. Here again, hiding in ambush ...

      4. xorek
        xorek 7 May 2021 20: 27
        -1
        Quote: Finches
        "Russia has only two allies! Petrov and Boshirov!" laughing

        bully wassat crying Greetings Eugene !!!! Well, you said how succinctly and with anger .. !!! Laughed heartily, in fact so ..
    2. 210ox
      210ox 7 May 2021 05: 44
      +9
      P&B put the whole of Europe on the ears, and not only. What failures are we talking about? laughing
      1. Cat Alexandrovich
        Cat Alexandrovich 7 May 2021 06: 06
        +1
        Do we know about all the victories of our heroes? repeat
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 7 May 2021 06: 49
        +15
        Quote: 210ox
        P&B put the whole of Europe on the ears, and not only. What failures are we talking about? laughing

        We are talking about the failures of their operations, which they are trying to cover up with chatter about the malicious actions of Russia and its special services, in order to divert public attention.
        When they failed the assassination attempt on Maduro, they "poisoned" the Skripals, when they broke off with the preparation of the assassination attempt on Luka, they "found" traces of Russia in the explosions in the Czech Republic.
        Their failures with attempts on the lives of unwanted leaders of the countries (Yanukovosch, Erdogan, Maduro, Lukashenko) are somehow connected with the interference of Russian special services in this process. The only assassination attempt that they brought to completion was the murder of Suleimani.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 7 May 2021 08: 29
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          The only assassination attempt that they brought to completion was the murder of Suleimani.

          Hussein and Gaddafi.
          1. Machete
            Machete 7 May 2021 08: 43
            +3
            Well, there are a little different things here.
            Hussein and Gaddafi were killed in a full-scale military invasion (military coup) and not to eliminate them - that would generally be the height of stupidity.
            And the Iranian was eliminated with the help of a targeted special operation.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 May 2021 08: 45
              0
              Quote: Machete
              And the Iranian was eliminated with the help of a targeted special operation.

              But they were developing the elimination of the US and Western special services.
              1. Machete
                Machete 7 May 2021 08: 46
                +2
                I do not argue. The difference is that there was a subtle special operation, and there were two wars. As elephants walked through the countries.
                That's what I'm talking about.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 7 May 2021 10: 47
              -2
              Quote: Machete
              Hussein and Gaddafi killed in full-scale military invasion (military coup)

              That's right, only large-scale operations were developed by these special services, and not in order to remove these leaders, but in order to prevent Iraq and Libya from becoming.
              1. dali
                dali 8 May 2021 17: 09
                +1
                Quote: tihonmarine
                That's right, only large-scale operations were developed by these special services, and not in order to remove these leaders, but in order to prevent Iraq and Libya from becoming

                You divided the essence of the matter into two positions and the meaning of these operations was completely lost by you!
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 7 May 2021 09: 38
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The only assassination attempt that they brought to completion was the murder of Suleimani.

            Hussein and Gaddafi.

            They then eliminated them in the open, having previously received a "license to kill" ie. on the basis of the mandate approved by the UN for their military invasion of Iraq and Libya, and all the others (above), they tried to eliminate illegally, during special operations developed in the depths of their special services. hi
    3. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 7 May 2021 05: 46
      +13
      In the West, the media voluntarily assumed some of the functions of the secret services, namely: fooling the population, intimidating with non-existent threats, disinformation, creating hotbeds of tension, discrediting states, companies, politicians, public figures, providing information cover for the actions of "theirs", etc. They are even ahead of actions of special services sometimes in this regard, act on an initiative basis.
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 7 May 2021 08: 13
        +2
        Quote: Kuzya the Cat
        In the west, the media voluntarily took over some of the functions of the secret services

        Add more intelligence functions. Having initiated a "srach" in the media on a certain issue or accusing him of something out of the ordinary, there will certainly be a "smart guy" in the answers who, for his own justification, will post publicly non-public information. Plus the simplicity of finding potential agents of influence through the analysis of comments on certain issues.
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  2. UPS
    UPS 7 May 2021 05: 37
    +3
    School proverb: do not judge by yourself gentlemen of England.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 7 May 2021 05: 39
    +3
    At the same time, the West does not provide any evidence, often claiming that they are allegedly secret.


    "We have such devices
    but we won't tell you about them! "
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 7 May 2021 06: 08
      -1
      And we can't even provide evidence of the existence of these devices!
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 May 2021 05: 42
    +5
    A look from the West: "Russian special services are at war"
    So it's all because of you goats! angry
    1. Cube123
      Cube123 7 May 2021 08: 20
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      A look from the West: "Russian special services are at war"
      So it's all because of you goats! angry

      Actually, this is the natural state of the secret services. wink If they stop "fighting", they degrade and become unnecessary.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 7 May 2021 14: 28
        -2
        this is the natural state of intelligence
        Do you consider it natural for agents to kill citizens on your territory? That I do not remember that foreign special services killed Russians in Russia, maybe I forgot, then remind me.
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 8 May 2021 07: 47
          0
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          That I don't remember that foreign special services killed Russians in Russia, maybe I forgot, then remind me.

          Don't be naive. The US President did not hesitate to admit that he personally gave the order to eliminate Soleimani using a terrorist method.

          “During the pre-election debates in January 2012, several candidates for the presidency of the United States publicly spoke out in favor of ... the physical elimination of Russian nuclear scientists, carriers of the secrets of the development and creation of nuclear weapons, since their activities pose a threat to the interests of US national security.
          Source: https://versia.ru/cru-ubivaet-rossijskix-uchyonyx ".

          http://kolokolrussia.ru/konspirologiya/kto-i-za-chto-massovo-ubivaet-rossiyskih-uchenh

          https://bazaistoria.ru/blog/43700531478/Ubiystva-russkih-uchyonyih
  5. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 May 2021 05: 48
    0
    According to Mr. Nering, the Russian special services for Moscow are playing a role unattainable for the Russian army. They are at war

    According to WHOM? But to me, it seems to me - from YOU ... With a yellow scent. And forgive me for what you are carrying ... What you can pick up is not even me to say.
    Although you are Russian, do you know? This is an alpha - and a link? If I call you a horse, then a horse will be offended!
    Although the banzacher was not taken away from the ungulates. Work. just read it, then I told you - maybe ...
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 May 2021 05: 50
    +2
    Well, Nering fantasizes a little, I am an old soviet-trained person, and vice versa, I welcome the development of the Internet and the Internet media in Russia.
    This world wide web of information provides great opportunities in human development, the horizons become unusually wide and there is an opportunity to look at many things globally, even from a small bell tower.
    We need to learn how to use this tool correctly, cut off all kinds of ear and enemy propaganda and not chop off the shoulder as the State Duma and Roskomnadzor do.
    At the meeting of the seven states there was preoccupied with Russian propaganda on the Internet smile, our people beat the enemy with his own weapon ... and this is correct and effective.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 7 May 2021 07: 19
      +2
      I agree with you. Horizon - develops. And the information is different, the sea. One thing is bad - the reliability is not enough. This is not an interrogation protocol, where the person is responsible for the accuracy and veracity of his information, provide it and stated it. For the rest, I only - "for" although also, came out of the "scoop")
  7. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 7 May 2021 05: 57
    +4
    This ex, at least guessed who fired him?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 7 May 2021 06: 14
      +2
      This ex, at least guessed who fired him?

      Surely Petrov and Boshirov with Putin peeking out from behind their shoulders. smile
      All these exes, except for sarcasm, do not cause anything else to them.
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 May 2021 06: 12
    +3
    First, the source is the XNUMXst Doctor from Doychewelle
    Second, by definition and always. In a state of war.
    Thirdly....
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 May 2021 06: 31
      +6
      Quote: Cowbra
      Thirdly....

      Thirdly, let's earn EXA! He really wants to eat.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 May 2021 06: 57
    +1
    but the blatant failures and setbacks, the limited resources of the Russian special services, also proved that they are weak ..
    Failures and failures on Western fakes about poisoning explosions? Deutsche Welle also succeeded in spreading fakes and provocative materials. "Weak", but at the same time
    carry out special operations around the world
    Something does not fit at the doctor. It fits in with only one thing - the anti-Russian orientation of Christopher Nering's article.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 May 2021 07: 09
    +4
    In short, the English loxxx wrote a frank get on, and gives out his nonsense as the truth of the last resort fool fool
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 May 2021 07: 14
    +1
    Not entirely objective opinions are voiced in the article. Therefore, they are very superficial. At the very least, it was necessary at least to serve in the country's special services. Well, if they are at war, then let them continue to fight. We pay taxes ...
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 7 May 2021 07: 45
    +5
    View from the West: "Russian special services are at war"
    You might think theirs are knights of a cloak and a dagger, they are engaged in peaceful affairs!
    Okay, British shabby cat / kitty, always and everywhere they poke their nose, b / O / shi, where are they poking their nose?
    1. cniza
      cniza 7 May 2021 08: 48
      +2
      They got it already with their "analyzes", it would be better to look behind them ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 May 2021 09: 22
        +2
        There is such a thing, a sweet couple have self-appointed (intend) to be judges and a prosecutor and a sheriff and a cashier !!! on all green matters ....
        If this is not immediately stopped, they will put so many obstacles to us, and to others ... there will be little pleasant.
        By the way, I will lie down / Sh \ atniks also cling to them, it's up to b / O \ shami ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 7 May 2021 12: 14
          +2
          Well, yes, the world is turning into a theater of the absurd and other methods are needed there ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 May 2021 12: 19
            +1
            It’s absurd, but harmful, dangerous, it’s just not possible to ignore this ... it will spread everywhere, it will be more difficult for us.
            1. cniza
              cniza 7 May 2021 12: 25
              +2
              I would say very dangerous, moreover, it is not even clear what the result of all these actions will be and where it will stop.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 7 May 2021 12: 57
                +2
                Here it is necessary to restrain everyone en masse !!! One by one they will devour, try, at least ... there will be losses.
                It is necessary to give them in the muzzles, so that life would not seem like honey to them.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 7 May 2021 16: 58
                  +2
                  It is absolutely necessary, otherwise they will not lag behind ...
  13. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 7 May 2021 07: 45
    +4
    About the intelligence services of any country in the world, and especially any Anglo-Saxon country, one can say: “They are in a state of war and conduct special operations around the world without starting direct hostilities, which are highly undesirable for the Kremlin, London, Washington, Beijing, Brussels, Tel Aviv. it was the instrument of the "secret" operation that was chosen. "
    -------
    Captain Evidence takes off his hat ... laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 7 May 2021 08: 35
      +1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      About the intelligence services of any country in the world and especially any Anglo-Saxon country can be said

      And in Belarus their ears stick out, and in Russia no less, and in Ukraine they have already shown their muzzles and tails.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 7 May 2021 09: 52
        +2
        Greetings, there is nowhere to put brands. Starting with the poisoning of Ivan the Terrible, the murder of Paul I, Rasputin, Stalin ... then a long list of killed heads of state,
        attempts to assassinate Yanukovych, Erdogan, Lukashenko.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 7 May 2021 08: 35
      +1
      For them now the obvious goal is to hang labels on those who can resist them, is ready to give.
      As you remember, the crooked face (to call it a face IN ANY WAY) is not their "iron" and not a lady, when she pronounced NOPHICHEK, brrr ... Boris, who is Johnson, is still handsome in comparison with her!
      1. cniza
        cniza 7 May 2021 08: 47
        +4
        Good time! hi

        They burned all the beautiful ones, and now they are reaping the benefits ... You can not wake up in such a dream ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 May 2021 09: 15
          +1
          Welcome soldier
          They have such kicks in politics, one is more beautiful than the other ...
          It would be okay, but those mry that, with their brains, have such a quirk, solid that oh, don't ... let's stay away, suddenly it is contagious!
          1. cniza
            cniza 7 May 2021 12: 11
            +2
            So I have the opinion that as far as possible, infectious for sure ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 May 2021 12: 16
              +1
              Well, yes, it carries rotten stuff like that .... br r r.
              1. cniza
                cniza 7 May 2021 12: 22
                +2
                So they constantly turn it all over, to enhance the effect ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 7 May 2021 12: 54
                  +1
                  So they are hot ... and they have such a principle, in Russia it should not be calm, good ... they, then, are really bad.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 7 May 2021 16: 57
                    +2
                    But we may get bored, endure all this ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 7 May 2021 18: 33
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, we are not the USSR, we are severely limited in opportunities, and with a firm will of the leadership, not everything is so blissful.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 7 May 2021 18: 36
                        +2
                        Yes, determination and consistency are not always enough ...
  14. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 7 May 2021 08: 20
    +2
    When (inadequate, feeble-minded, etc.) sees (feels the presence) next to him smart (successful, strong, competent), he will blame him for all his troubles and failures, but not his dementia. clever in a fool are built both intuitively (on a subconscious level) and meaningfully, by his bad intellect.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 7 May 2021 08: 33
    0
    Such armless Petrov and Bashirov, and presidents in the United States are "changed" like gloves!
  16. cniza
    cniza 7 May 2021 08: 36
    +1
    At the same time, the West does not provide any evidence, often claiming that they are allegedly secret.


    The impudence goes off scale, until we punish, they don't calm down ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 May 2021 09: 17
      +1
      There is a pack, podzabornaya ... well, their naf!
      Track what they are up to against us and stop them far from our borders! Let themselves, spread rot.
      1. cniza
        cniza 7 May 2021 12: 13
        +2
        No need to "flog" a couple, others will subside by themselves ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 May 2021 12: 17
          +1
          Yes, to ignore them all ... except for the very, very, owner! You have to talk to him.
          1. cniza
            cniza 7 May 2021 12: 24
            +2
            With the owner, yes, it is necessary to speak and very tough ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 7 May 2021 12: 55
              +1
              Let's see ... sort of decided who is who! Now we need to keep the line.
              1. cniza
                cniza 7 May 2021 17: 00
                +2
                I think it's time to put forward your conditions ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 7 May 2021 18: 39
                  +1
                  Unfortunately, the minke whales have to be treated like the hucksters from the movie about Hodja Nasreddin !!! Even when they are drowning, it is useless for them to say GIVE, like pulling out your hand, you have to say ON, he will reach out and grab it himself.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 7 May 2021 18: 46
                    +2
                    There is such a thing, when they count, they unbend their fingers ...
  17. Dimy4
    Dimy4 7 May 2021 08: 37
    +1
    "Clumsy" methods of Russian special services and agents

    Do they go on assignments in budenovkas with red stars? Mandatory attribute of a Russian intelligence officer.
  18. DmSol
    DmSol 7 May 2021 08: 40
    +1
    After reading the title of the article, at first I thought that we would be talking about the interdepartmental rakes of our security officials. But in fact, it turned out that again a set of clichés and cliches for the Western consumer. I'm wondering if those who really make decisions in the West also have such a set of reinforced concrete idioms in their heads, or is healthy pragmatism still present? After the collapse of the Union, the States had every chance to leap forward with leaps and bounds. Heaps of money. The immediate threat to the existence of the order disappeared. But no, they valiantly profiled their engineering school to please lawyers and financiers, outsourcing most of the industry. And they began to cheerfully inflate financial bubbles. Ugh…
  19. bar
    bar 7 May 2021 08: 43
    +1
    According to the former chief of the British MI6 ...

    ... the Russian special services can already be disbanded. The Pear at their address is so powerful in the world that the "special operations" attributed to them will continue to multiply even without their participation. laughing
  20. HAM
    HAM 7 May 2021 08: 47
    0
    They came up with P and B themselves, got scared themselves, made their own conclusions ... satisfied themselves ...
  21. JonnyT
    JonnyT 7 May 2021 09: 58
    +2
    Outhouse analytics of the old Russophobe.

    Grandfather decided to speculate over a glass of whiskey about the work of special services, not forgetting to clearly follow the line of the party of Russophobes. Propaganda, not analyst.

    Failure, and the APU has no shells. And in Syria, their tow with hail is burned immediately after unloading.

    It is the Western special services that have degraded. Even the provocations were parted to do - amateurs. What can we say about the supply of weapons to their pocket terrorists. It's just that the grandfather cannot admit it because of his Russophobia and megalomania.
    1. xorek
      xorek 7 May 2021 20: 45
      0
      Quote: JonnyT
      Outhouse analytics of the old Russophobe.

      Grandfather decided to speculate over a glass of whiskey about the work of special services, not forgetting to clearly follow the line of the party of Russophobes. Propaganda, not analyst.

      Failure, and the APU has no shells. And in Syria, their tow with hail is burned immediately after unloading.

      It is the Western special services that have degraded. Even the provocations were parted to do - amateurs. What can we say about the supply of weapons to their pocket terrorists. It's just that the grandfather cannot admit it because of his Russophobia and megalomania.

      Without words .. A huge plus! hi
  22. hohohol
    hohohol 7 May 2021 10: 45
    -2
    Quote: Finches
    "Russia has only two allies! Petrov and Boshirov!" laughing

    Czechs comment:
    Jiří Ďoubalík
    I am interested in medals. Does anyone know what the highest Russian award "TOURIST MEDAL" looks like?
    Raimund Vladimir
    Abolish the police around the world. Bellingcat, or one man in a rented apartment in London, is investigating everything. From the plane crash in Ukraine, then Vrbetice and to no one knows what else.
    Martin Jilek
    Orban kicked out all foreign non-profit organizations, especially this serpent Soros, and also closed his university, where students were brainwashed. Foreign banks did too, and suddenly the national debt fell sharply. Why? The money does not go abroad, but remains in Hungary.
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  24. iouris
    iouris 7 May 2021 12: 37
    -1
    I agree. It's time to demonstrate the obvious weakness of the armed forces.
  25. Growlers
    Growlers 7 May 2021 13: 13
    +1
    For the Russian special services, the West itself comes up with everything and failures and successes .... What would they do, to whom would they blame all the "miracles"?
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  26. Alsur
    Alsur 7 May 2021 13: 28
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Price from 20 to 100 thousand for webinars. And a half-hour meeting costs half a million rubles. Not bad for a failed and decommissioned agent!

    Envy is a bad thing, especially for the envy. Dissatisfaction with your personal achievements burns from the inside.
  27. Archemor
    Archemor 7 May 2021 13: 53
    0
    Everyone who died of covid in the West is all of us. Petrov and Boshirov personally killed everyone. In between the Skripals and the Czech Republic. Supermen are among us, and we do not know.
    Oh, yes, we are Kennedy and Lincoln too. And Batman's parents. And we blew up Krypton as a Voivode. (this is Petrov from a slingshot)
    And that's just the GRU.
    And then we will release the construction battalion.
  28. vicont444
    vicont444 7 May 2021 18: 26
    +1
    It follows from the context that the West is absolutely helpless before Russia. Suffering with bare arguments of the omnipotence of the press and the media. Where where, but not us. We have strength in the intelligence and soundness of counterintelligence actions. Just look at the head of our respective department. This is power. For which the West does not and cannot have arguments. And everything they say is nothing more than self-exposure. They themselves poisoned everyone. Who does that? Mi6 rots before our eyes. That's where she goes.
  29. Pissarro
    Pissarro 7 May 2021 20: 36
    0
    The former chief of British intelligence seems to be writing for zombie hamsters in order to reinforce the zombie. He pointed to a series of mythical failures, and there is no evidence for a single episode that our intelligence was there at all. For some reason, he farted in the direction of the army, which, contrary to its logic, is successfully carrying out an operation in Syria, is armed with weapons that the West never dreamed of and has just carried out an operation unrealistic for the West to transfer two armies to the western border clearly and harmoniously. We all remember the heroic attempts of the mattresses for many months to transfer the under-brigade battalion to the east with broken bridges and congestion. And the success of their intelligence agencies, who overlooked both Crimea and Syria, who did not see the Donbass, who screwed up in Belarus, are such that it is better to shut up and sign up for advanced training courses
  30. xorek
    xorek 7 May 2021 20: 39
    +2
    View from the West: "Russian special services are at war"

    Well, what do you want painful? Or did you like these ..
    Kozyrev whispers something and cunning eyes ..

    And Bakatin is the head of the special services, I think everyone remembers the special services EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING handed over and so dashingly ..
    Here he is next to the humpbacked Judas, and under Yeltsin, he has already begun to pour everything into the special services of the West ..

    Everything fits together .. they worked beautifully .. But they didn’t finish off Russia all the same
    Or is it a creepy photo? You libers want it again ..?
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  32. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 May 2021 06: 05
    0
    What nonsense, and what is the state of the Western intelligence services? What are the Mi-6, the CIA and others doing?
  33. ppgt90
    ppgt90 8 May 2021 13: 57
    0
    Actually, "Voennoye Obozreniye" is becoming more and more like the blog of a dim-witted blocher. I honestly do not understand what can be "discussed" in this nonsense, drawn with a claim to the article. After all, a man picked up all sorts of nonsense and dumped this nonsense here. And who is here discussing the work of the special services? Sofa specialists. Gentlemen. For God's sake. Turn on your brains and do not get fooled by any nonsense. Moreover, do not get fooled by the provocations of all sorts of spiteful critics living on the spinal cord. I can't understand at all how you can discuss a question that you don't know a damn thing about? Do not enter into polemics with lovers of low-quality "spy detectives". Well, be you above all kinds of idiots.
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      1. Usher
        Usher 9 May 2021 00: 49
        0
        Quote: Alexey Petryaev

        And with what fright do you call yourself a master? Here is a photo of Count Sheremetyev-146% He had 146 thousand serfs. where does the impudence come from to call the Romanovs foreign tsars? The sofa strategist is you, and here I am, for example, Count Belevsky.

        LOLOLOLOLOLOL Laughed!
  34. Gardener91
    Gardener91 8 May 2021 17: 41
    0
    Shaw, again, "The Russians are coming!"
  35. Anachoret
    Anachoret 8 May 2021 18: 46
    +1
    Is it too loud?
    call 2021 the year of Russian special services


    Indeed, in fact, it turns out that only two merchants of sports nutrition from Russia, as they say, brazenly saw in two bows the foundations of Western democracy of the entire civilized world)))
  36. zenion
    zenion 8 May 2021 19: 11
    0
    Two militants were unlucky. Warehouses with shells were blown up, but not completely, two shells remained alive, but terribly scorched. Here they will be wiped off, washed and again, like new ones.
  37. Usher
    Usher 9 May 2021 00: 48
    -1
    What kind of "zheltopressny" nonsense? What trash was it quoted from? And most importantly why? Admins, why are you skipping garbage?
  38. Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan 18 May 2021 08: 41
    0
    The most stupid anecdotes of the Western special services are about Petrov and Basharov. I have never heard the dumber of these jokes. How crushed and lazy these Western special services !!!