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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ordered the repair of aircraft engines for the MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ordered repairs aviation engines RD-33, Al-31F and complex electrode regulators KRD-99B. These engines are used on the MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters, which are in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (simplified - the Air Force of Ukraine).


The application for the repair of the aforementioned aircraft power plants caused discussion in the Ukrainian press. In particular, it is noted that the repair order suggests that the country's air force is going to continue to use Soviet-built combat aircraft "instead of focusing on the possibility of updating the aircraft fleet by purchasing Western fighters."

We will remind that earlier the Commander of the Air Force of Ukraine announced "the possible receipt by Ukraine of the American fifth generation F-35 fighters in the medium term." He named 2035 as the timeline. Also in Kiev, the possibility of purchasing other Western-made fighters, including the French Rafale and the American F-15 and F-16, was actively discussed.

At the moment, the tender for the repair of RD-33, Al-31F engines has become the second from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine since the beginning of the year. The official customer is military unit A0215. This is the command of the Ukrainian Air Force.

At the same time, the tender itself looks like an outright formality, since the only Ukrainian enterprise certified for the repair of such power plants is the Lutsk Repair Plant "Motor". For the above reason, he was appointed the winner of the tender. The total amount that the Ukrainian Air Force command is going to spend on repairing engines for the MiG-29 and Su-27 is about 55,6 million hryvnia (about 150 million rubles).

A little more than a month ago, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine already handed over to the Lutsk plant an order for the repair of aircraft engines. Then the order included RD-33, Al-31F, as well as AL-21F-3T for various modifications of the Su-24, including the Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 5 May 2021 14: 58
    +4
    Better to buy one Rafale.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 5 May 2021 15: 05
      +23
      Quote: Pereira
      Better to buy one Rafale.

      For 55 million hryvnia?
      For this amount, the French will sell them, perhaps, a wing from Raphael, and that is unlikely ...
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        1. kulinar
          kulinar 5 May 2021 15: 22
          +11
          This is yes.
          But where did the spare parts for the "capital" come from?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 5 May 2021 18: 06
            +1
            Quote: kulinar
            But where did the spare parts for the "capital" come from?

            Business then. They will do it themselves. A jigsaw and a file to help them.
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 5 May 2021 18: 42
            +1
            For Ukraine, a more or less acceptable option is the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-27 from the former social camp. That technique that has not yet fully developed its resource. They practice the transition to the equipment of NATO countries, perhaps they will give up theirs inexpensively.
            1. Oleg Shlyapin
              Oleg Shlyapin 5 May 2021 23: 16
              0
              What's the point? And they have enough of their own with the same resources and in the same condition. We are talking about replacing aircraft with new, modern
              1. Torins
                Torins 6 May 2021 07: 06
                +4
                There is no aviation equipment in an acceptable condition in Ukraine, just as there is no (and will not be) money for modern equipment.
            2. mlad
              mlad 6 May 2021 09: 19
              +1
              expensive parts will be obtained
              1. Vadim Ananyin
                Vadim Ananyin 6 May 2021 12: 09
                +1
                And dangerous, it is not known how this repair will end.
            3. Old Skeptic
              Old Skeptic 6 May 2021 18: 48
              +1
              For Ukraine, a more or less acceptable option is the purchase of MiG-29 and Su-27 from the former social camp.

              Will not work. There, the Poles have already started eating.
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      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 May 2021 15: 20
        +8
        Quote: Volodin
        For 55 million hryvnia?
        For this amount, the French will sell them, perhaps, a wing from Raphael, and that is unlikely ...

        Well, they can buy an inflatable one for this money. And show from afar. And be proud.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 5 May 2021 15: 29
          +5
          The French are thought to have preserved the drawings of the Mongolfe brothers. Surely they will be able to glue an inflatable aircraft for the Ukrainian "brothers" for the above announced amount. laughing
      3. Thrifty
        Thrifty 5 May 2021 15: 45
        +2
        Volodin -Aleksey, one second-hand Rafale, the third category of equipment, the French will concede for that kind of money, I suspect. ..
      4. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 5 May 2021 15: 47
        +3
        They will be very surprised to learn about the existence of such a currency. But for that amount, it's just a pair of wheels and a pilot's seat. More unlikely
      5. VO3A
        VO3A 5 May 2021 16: 58
        +6
        There is no order data in the article. Judging by the previous order, which is mentioned in the article, repair of 6 engines will be ordered, 2 of each type. Here are the data on the already completed repair order from Ukrainian sources:
        The plant must carry out overhaul of the RD-33, AL-31F, AL-21F-3T aircraft engines.
        The work will be completed on April 15, 2021.
        In particular, the plant will repair: 2 RD-33 engines for MiG-29 fighters for UAH 17,59 million and UAH 15,39 million; 2 AL-31F engines for Su-27 fighters for UAH 14,11 million and UAH 15,24 million; 2 AL-21F-3T engines for Su-24 bombers for UAH 2,85 million and UAH 2,73 million.
        The warranty period is four years, of which two are of direct operation.

        https://biz.liga.net/all/all/novosti/lutskiy-zavod-otremontiruet-dvigateli-samoletov-dlya-armii-za-68-mln-grn
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 5 May 2021 19: 11
          +1
          Quote: VO3A
          There is no order data in the article.

          The most intelligible comment. It seems that the "allies" of the Square are quite satisfied with the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and no one is going to help seriously. Ukraine is coping with the Russophobic task on its own, and when it starts to drop out of the world information field, with the available material resources for blackmail, provocations, and feeding the media, it quite successfully reminds of itself. Between the metropolis and the ruling "elite" of Ukraine, the leash is getting shorter.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 6 May 2021 01: 52
            +1
            The Zhidobanderites were completely stupefied ... In the photo there is a combat number 39! What is it like ? This is the number for sparky! In the second squadron, they have 19 combat?
            They don't have so many Su-27s in the Air Force ... flying ...
            1. Miller
              Miller 6 May 2021 09: 12
              +2
              This is a number for Petrov and Boshirov.
    2. NIKN
      NIKN 5 May 2021 15: 06
      +8
      Quote: Pereira
      Better to buy one Rafale.

      is about 55,6 million hryvnia (about 150 million rubles). here on the spare wheel from Rafal only.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 5 May 2021 15: 15
        +4
        BU in installments, payment by kidneys. Many options can be thought of.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 5 May 2021 16: 14
        +6
        Quote: NIKNN
        is about 55,6 million hryvnia (about 150 million rubles). here on the spare wheel from Rafal only.

        What are you so little, by God! There should be a line in the report and an amount. EVERYTHING! Nobody will give any money to the French, they will come in handy. But then ... another fire, rafal burned out and blame ... you know who. But the reporting is fine!
    3. YOU
      YOU 5 May 2021 15: 07
      +4
      [quote] [/ quote] Let it be better not to buy or repair anything. Once they have taken up the Air Force, they are going to bomb. Well, who is clear. Whatever it was, but Ukraine is going to "strengthen". And this is alarming.
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 6 May 2021 10: 35
        -3
        Quote: YOU
        Ukraine is going to "strengthen". And this is alarming.

        There is mechanical engineering, the re-warehouse has been preserved since the times of the USSR. I don't understand the sarcasm of the commentators. If it works out, the engine overhaul program will expand, which will raise combat readiness.
        1. Vadim Ananyin
          Vadim Ananyin 6 May 2021 12: 13
          0
          But the results of such programs lead to very bad consequences.
          That's the problem, there are plenty of examples.
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 6 May 2021 21: 21
            0
            Specifically what examples?
            1. Vadim Ananyin
              Vadim Ananyin 7 May 2021 06: 22
              0
              You just have to google and you will find everything yourself.
        2. Gennady1
          Gennady1 7 May 2021 05: 31
          +2
          I explain.
          These engines are and have always been manufactured in the Russian Federation.
          The main workpieces (shafts, disks, blades and TD) are manufactured, and thus they passed life tests only on materials from the Russian Federation and, as well as PKI (units) and bearings. Part of all this requires mandatory replacement during repair (these are the requirements of the TU and the assigned resource)
          Well, where will they get all this?
          They steal not an option, they are all numbered and you steal
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 8 May 2021 21: 55
            0
            Well, if so, great! They don't need aviation, since the disaster in Lvov in the late 1990s.
    4. Eug
      Eug 5 May 2021 21: 44
      +1
      Wooden model of Raphael at a scale of 1:10.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 5 May 2021 23: 41
        +4
        Quote: Eug
        Wooden model of Raphael at a scale of 1:10.
        You can simply purchase a constructor
        Rafal B
        Rafal B - double 1/48 soldier
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 6 May 2021 05: 40
          +1

          cat Rusich
          Yesterday, 23: 41
          NEW

          +1
          Quote: Eug
          Wooden model of Raphael at a scale of 1:10.
          You can simply purchase a constructor
          good ! You could also offer them an aircraft model. But, all the circles of the young modeler finished the campaign there together with the Soviet regime. And the remnants of the elastic bands were put on the lace panties, they were preparing for the transition to Europa. laughing
          1. Eug
            Eug 6 May 2021 13: 18
            0
            Several years ago, the KhAI (Kharkov Aviation Institute) squealed about the establishment of a new world (!) Record - the simultaneous launch of 1000 paper (!) Airplanes .. here it is - a prospect ... as for me - a disgrace ...
  2. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 5 May 2021 15: 05
    +16
    Why shouldn't the banderlog de-communize these planes, because they are made in the USSR, since they are going to remove the coat of arms of the USSR from the Motherland Mother monument.
    1. HAM
      HAM 5 May 2021 15: 37
      +8
      What they put their hands on is itself "decommunized" ..
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 5 May 2021 15: 49
        +7
        Quote: HAM
        What they put their hands on is itself "decommunized" ..


        It has been proven more than once.

        ... The fact is that Poland has collected a collection of MiG-29 aircraft from almost all of the former Warsaw bloc. For example, in 1989-1990 Poland received 12 fighters from the USSR. 22 MiG-29s were donated by Germany. Another 12 fighters were received from the Czech Republic.

        However, the resource of jet engines of MiG-29 fighters is limited. The assigned resource of the RD-33 engines of the second series for the MiG-29 is about 1400 hours, after which the deterioration of the main components and assemblies does not allow the engine to be used further, even after repairs. For the past 15 years, Poland has been buying cheap parts for fighters in the countries of the former Warsaw Pact. And at the expense of these reserves, she repaired aircraft.

        Now the parts are out. And the Poles had no choice but to turn to Ukraine. Indeed, the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Lutsk Repair Plant Motor has successfully mastered the production of 5500 parts for aircraft engines. First of all, we are talking about the parts that are most often replaced on aircraft engines and are needed at every repair.

        The "Motor" carries out overhaul of aircraft engines of most tactical aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: Su-24 bombers, Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters.


        ... However, here's the bad luck! For some reason, the Polish MiGs repaired at the Lutsk "Motor" plant began to fly badly!


        On December 18, 2017, a MiG-29 fighter of the Polish Air Force crashed near the city of Minsk-Mazovetsky while landing at a military airfield. The pilot of the plane ejected and survived.
        On July 6, 2018, a MiG-29 fighter of the Polish Air Force crashed in the vicinity of the Polish city of Paslenk (Warmia and Mazury Voivodeship), 22nd Tactical Air Base (Malbork airfield). The pilot ejected but died.

        On March 4, 2019, a MiG-29 fighter of the Polish Air Force crashed in the Mazovian Voivodeship near Vengrow, the pilot ejected.

        https://cont.ws/@selivanov1654/1300088
  3. Alexander Terentyev
    Alexander Terentyev 5 May 2021 15: 31
    +17
    Repairing the MiG-29 engine is very expensive, even by Soviet standards. I worked at such a plant in Gatchina - I trained as a shop manager. I can say that these engines cannot be repaired in any country other than Russia. I mean, you can disassemble, rinse. But assembling such an engine is 5 times more expensive than disassembling and may end up with the delivery of a defective product. Well, the repair itself is fantastic for Ukraine. In general, they can portray hack, the planes will be done after installing such engines one flight at a time, and then they will crash.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 May 2021 15: 40
      +2
      Stupidly order repairs in Russia. They buy fuel and lubricants in Russia.
      1. Oleg Shlyapin
        Oleg Shlyapin 5 May 2021 23: 17
        0
        no, they don't buy
    2. igor67
      igor67 5 May 2021 18: 21
      -4
      Quote: Alexander Terentyev
      Repairing the MiG-29 engine is very expensive, even by Soviet standards. I worked at such a plant in Gatchina - I trained as a shop manager. I can say that these engines cannot be repaired in any country other than Russia. I mean, you can disassemble, rinse. But assembling such an engine is 5 times more expensive than disassembling and may end up with the delivery of a defective product. Well, the repair itself is fantastic for Ukraine. In general, they can portray hack, the planes will be done after installing such engines one flight at a time, and then they will crash.

      Don't talk nonsense, I worked for many years on the repair of NK12, in Ukraine, and if these engines were repaired during the USSR, then there were no problems, and by the way, why does everyone think that repairs at Russian repair bases are better? Only because of the presence of a repair kit,? If you are in the subject, then you should know how many complaints have come and come, how many accidents you have with poor-quality repair of aircraft engines, a simple example of how many that 95 suffered from engine problems, not to mention other equipment, for the Ukrainians everything through the anus
      1. Alexander Terentyev
        Alexander Terentyev 7 May 2021 03: 38
        +4
        Of course, I will answer your answer. Firstly, you have confused the classes of engines and, secondly, the place of their production. NK-12 is a turboprop engine for Tu-95 and Tu-142 naval bombers. The MiG-29 is a fighter, and its engine is of a completely different class. Therefore, I also worked on the Tu-142 in Mongokhto - we sent these engines just to Ukraine for repairs, and the planes too (to the city of Nikolaev). And the MiG-29 aircraft and their engines are manufactured in Russia. Doing repairs, for example, of a watch, at a factory for the production of irons .... You understand me, I guess? :-)

        Who did you work at that plant? Have you ever seen the MiG-29 and its engine up close?
        1. igor67
          igor67 7 May 2021 12: 22
          0
          Quote: Alexander Terentyev
          Of course, I will answer your answer. Firstly, you have confused the classes of engines and, secondly, the place of their production. NK-12 is a turboprop engine for Tu-95 and Tu-142 naval bombers. The MiG-29 is a fighter, and its engine is of a completely different class. Therefore, I also worked on the Tu-142 in Mongokhto - we sent these engines just to Ukraine for repairs, and the planes too (to the city of Nikolaev). And the MiG-29 aircraft and their engines are manufactured in Russia. Doing repairs, for example, of a watch, at a factory for the production of irons .... You understand me, I guess? :-)

          Who did you work at that plant? Have you ever seen the MiG-29 and its engine up close?

          Collected a column, KMA KSA, vehicle drive, central drive, I was at the plant in Nikolaev, even jumped from the bridge where the ships were,
          1. Alexander Terentyev
            Alexander Terentyev 8 May 2021 05: 54
            0
            Understood, this is probably Konotop. In aviation comes out, not a beginner. But I was surprised by your comment that your specialists can just dashingly scatter any engine, even a different type. Fighter engines differ sharply from turboprop engines. Their thermal load is prohibitive, and the speed of rotation of the turbines is wild. For example, the turbine blades of the MiG-29 engine are grown in the form of a monolithic crystal - this technology was developed and mastered only in the USSR, back in the mid-80s. Where will Ukraine now get such blades to replace those that have exhausted their resource? Does she know this technology and the composition of the alloyed alloys of these parts? It's one thing to just assemble and disassemble, and another thing to make. for example, the air intakes (their channels) of the MiG-29 are made of composite carbon fiber, part of the airframe skin is also. Is there such a technology in Ukraine? The Americans began to use it in aviation after the USSR. The turbine disks of the MiG-29 engine are manufactured at a Moscow plant, on CNC machines - I personally was in such a workshop, in factory practice. Does Ukraine have such a technology?
            I can't tell you much about all this .... Ukraine has lost everything. At home, I am currently printing rocket bodies on a 3D printer, developing their design in KOMPAS-19. Are there such specialists in Ukraine?
            1. igor67
              igor67 8 May 2021 09: 38
              0
              Quote: Alexander Terentyev
              Konotop

              Yes, at one time vch21653, nk 12 have been being repaired since 56, that is, since the start of operation, worked for 15 years, in the late 80s we had to start repairing the engine from E, built a workshop with pits, drove the equipment, also at that time a modern way of getting repair kits from a makat, a robot is primitive, but still, at that time, progress gave the required bearing And so on, but the Union collapsed and everything was thrown away, I meant that perhaps other repair shops could repair the engine, without equipment and technology this is impossible
              1. Alexander Terentyev
                Alexander Terentyev 8 May 2021 11: 42
                0
                I completely agree with you. The development of tooling for a new technological chain is, in fact, the construction of completely new factory halls. Millions, if not billions of rubles are spent on this. And the training of specialists is generally a different level. For example, where can you find your level of specialists in Ukraine? ...
              2. Alexander Terentyev
                Alexander Terentyev 8 May 2021 11: 54
                0
                It is quite possible that I touched these engines that you were repairing with my hands. I installed them on the planes of my aviation squadron in the Kamenny Ruchey garrison. There was a deputy. AE commander for IAS on Tu-142. Here is one of them - he personally photographed it in 1990 on his Zenit ET film camera. I had 8 of these aircraft in the AE.
  4. Fedorov Ivan
    Fedorov Ivan 5 May 2021 15: 47
    +1
    Serves them right, let the tenders go on.
  5. Stepan S
    Stepan S 5 May 2021 16: 14
    +6
    Again, through firms, gaskets will buy spare parts in Russia, and ours will gladly sell them, since money does not smell. War is war, and business is business. This is the reality of their war - to fight with the hands of the enemy.
  6. xorek
    xorek 5 May 2021 16: 32
    +2
    Infa has long been that Okrvina was going to buy small propeller-driven airplanes from Brazil, supposedly cheap and cheerful ... Well, shameful! And after all, this was a republic with a very developed aircraft manufacturing industry ..
  7. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 5 May 2021 16: 59
    0
    Markets for semi-left parts have always been and will be. Quality is a separate issue. But the same 29x after the collapse of the USSR to the fig where it was left. Let's add here a very important supply channel for grapes, shrimps, or sprat from Belarus. If we talk, there will surely be happy people who want to talk to the decision makers in Moscow on the issue of supplies of spare parts. for engines ...
  8. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 5 May 2021 17: 11
    +1
    and this plant will pull? there is a production of ruminants, are Ana alive or what?
  9. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 5 May 2021 17: 15
    0
    Quote: Stepan S
    Again, through firms, gaskets will buy spare parts in Russia, and ours will gladly sell them, since money does not smell. War is war, and business is business. This is the reality of their war - to fight with the hands of the enemy.

    You yourself understand, we are not at war with the Slavs - our brothers !!!!!!!!
    ps when the war starts - everyone shuts up (I hope examples are not needed by May 9)
  10. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 5 May 2021 17: 31
    +3
    Otse so))) but what about F16 and F15?) Ne dyayut friends for nothing?
  11. Glagol1
    Glagol1 5 May 2021 17: 33
    0
    This is hardly a capital, rather a current one.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 5 May 2021 21: 38
      +2
      Even with the current one, it is necessary to change the details of a one-time setting. And where to get them if Russia produces them?
  12. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 5 May 2021 17: 36
    +3
    But seriously, the MiG29 and Su27 are excellent fighters. Change avionics and new weapons, and all these needles and falcones are nervously smoking. They constantly modernized theirs and therefore they have a head start. Cars of the first modifications. I saw them for the first time in Kansk. Handsome men. And in Ukraine it seems to me the pipe will be soon. And where will they get new engines.?
    1. ugol2
      ugol2 5 May 2021 22: 08
      +10
      Quote: Oleg Aviator
      But seriously, the MiG29 and Su27 are excellent fighters. Change avionics and new weapons

      And you get the MiG-35 and Su-35S, respectively.
  13. Drugov
    Drugov 5 May 2021 19: 53
    -1
    What is great about this news is that about 135 million rubles have been allocated for one of the leading repair plants of the "great" military power (equivalent of course). Imagine the scale of the plant and its daily needs to maintain performance, and then NATE, get and sign a whole UAH 50 million, so that they would also fulfill the contract for this money. Probably you shouldn't talk about the competencies of the plant, there is a strong belief that they are sufficient for such repairs, nevertheless the Soviet Union knew how to build defense enterprises and much more, but this handout in the form of obvious cents, which is not a fact that they will be used on purpose is questionable.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 5 May 2021 21: 37
      +3
      Does the remzavod itself produce such complex products as compressor or turbine blades, nozzles, shafts, combustion chambers? And if it doesn't, where will they get it from?
      1. Drugov
        Drugov 5 May 2021 21: 47
        0
        This article does not reflect the details of the tender and the technical requirements for the repair. We can only speculate and speculate about these parameters. Perhaps the products you listed, as the readers of the resource have already commented on, the plant has in warehouses or will try to get it by roundabout ways, remove it from products with a smaller motor resource, I do not know. But in one thing we look the same with you is that the probability of a positive result of these manipulations tends to zero.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 5 May 2021 22: 04
          +1
          Does it have in warehouses? And still not sold?))) I do not believe. Get workarounds? They have already given 3 years to some smart guy who was trying to ship some parts to the MiG - 29, to Banderland. Unfortunately, it is not specified which ones. Remove from other engines? If the engine is over 30 years old, what can be removed from there? There was a vidosik, summer 2014 in Donbass, a MiG-29 is passing over the Banderopithecus column, you need to understand to raise morale. Runs at low speed, but the engines smoke mercilessly, apparently the compressors are already "killed in the trash". Seven years have passed.
          1. Drugov
            Drugov 5 May 2021 23: 37
            0
            Nikolay, I actually never mentioned anywhere about the possibility of such a repair. It's one thing to have the competencies that I really spoke about, and quite another thing to implement the terms of reference for the specified repair, which I have great doubts about. Your arguments fully support these very doubts.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 6 May 2021 11: 49
              0
              My comment was addressed not so much to you as to the readers of the site in general, so that the whole complexity of the problem was clear. Since I work in a factory that makes and repairs aircraft engines. I apologize if I offended by chance, did not want to.
              1. Drugov
                Drugov 6 May 2021 12: 20
                +1
                No, well, no offense, in my opinion, the dialogue went in a mutually respectful tone.
  14. Avior
    Avior 5 May 2021 21: 24
    0
    A simple search for the mysterious device "complex electrode regulator" showed that we are not talking about a trivial typo in the article.
    The article, as it seems, was replicated on the Internet on various resources, in which it was embossed without delving into the meaning of what was written, since this gross blunder is observed on various resources in this anonymous article, for example
    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2021/05/05/673893.html
    One gets the impression that for some reason it is being displayed on the net without reading it, using the copy-paste method.
    But it is even sadder that some readers, it seems, after the word "Ukraine" in the headline further does not matter what is written there, no one paid attention to this rude blunder.: (((
    1. Diverter
      Diverter 6 May 2021 16: 59
      0
      hackers do not care about an electron or an electrode! the main thing is hype!)
  15. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 5 May 2021 21: 34
    0
    How can an engine be repaired without original spare parts?
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 5 May 2021 22: 16
      0
      1. I use not original ones.
      2. I use the ones recovered on my own.
      3. Using second-hand.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 5 May 2021 22: 56
        +2
        1. Not original - did you buy it at the bazaar? It is for Opel or Ford that you can buy Turkish or Chinese spare parts. Aviation non-original - Chinese? The engine has a form where all the operations that were performed with it, the numbers of parts and assemblies that have changed are entered. This form contains the list of people who are criminally liable if the engine fails and bad consequences follow. Finally, there is a military representative, who is also responsible, including criminal, for poor-quality repairs.
        2. Remanufactured - the technology of restoration in terms of complexity, is only slightly different from the manufacture of new parts. You do not need a foundry to make blanks, but you need equipment to restore the geometry of the part, and then, all the same operations as in the manufacture of a new one.
        3. Replacing some used ones with others? The description of the complexity of this process will take up a lot of space. Simply put, even if you spend so much time and effort, how many hours of motor life will we add to the engine?
        And if the war and the engine will be driven to extreme modes? And he will die from overload alone? And again the military representative. The question to him in the tribunal is how he allowed the installation of such parts on the engine of a combat aircraft? And according to the laws of wartime.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 5 May 2021 23: 56
          +2
          Quote: TermNachTER

          And if the war and the engine will be driven to extreme modes? And he will die from overload alone? And again the military representative. The question to him in the tribunal is how he allowed the installation of such parts on the engine of a combat aircraft? And according to the laws of wartime.
          1) The plane crashed during the war, on a combat mission ...
          1a shot down by the enemy - the commander is not to blame ...
          1b bad pilot - the military representative is not to blame ...
          1c saboteurs or saboteurs - the military representative is not to blame ...
          2) The enemy has won ...
          2a the military representative is the first in line for the order ...
          Simply put, the war will write off everything soldier
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 6 May 2021 11: 45
            0
            So this is if there is a war. In the meantime, and without a war, in the Ministry of Defense Banderland scandal after scandal. So, the military representative will think hard - "I need it." Money can be earned in a safer way)))
        2. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 6 May 2021 00: 37
          0
          In general, everything was right above. It can only be in peacetime in a normal country)
  16. Diverter
    Diverter 6 May 2021 16: 56
    +2
    APU !!!! What are you doing there?!?!?!?!? I myself am from the Ukrainian SSR! For a long time I really live in the Russian Federation, but I love my small homeland! Send all engines to me at home! Me and my acquaintances super-specialists Ashot, Armen and Tigran will make the best engine repair! And Emil will sharpen the blades and other spare parts for us! (he has a lathe). FOR HALF PRICE !!!!!!!! Let's make vashsche karosho !!!!
  17. zenion
    zenion 6 May 2021 19: 07
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    They will install new engines and write that the plane has become American.
  18. Vatnichek
    Vatnichek 6 May 2021 23: 45
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    The operetta state, the president is an actor, in a word, Pan-Ataman Gritsian Tavrichesky.
  19. ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 7 May 2021 00: 29
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    We will remind that earlier the Commander of the Air Force of Ukraine announced "the possible receipt by Ukraine of the American fifth generation F-35 fighters in the medium term." He named 2035 as the timeline. Also in Kiev, the possibility of purchasing other Western-made fighters, including the French Rafale and the American F-15 and F-16, was actively discussed.

    I have not seen richer people than drunks in the area, who, for some misunderstanding, received a loan from the bank .. How they are chic .. how the last time ..
  20. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 7 May 2021 02: 54
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    Ukraine buys these things unofficially in Russia, I mean spare parts for MiGs and Su. Stolen here in the old days from the warehouses of ATI military units or illiquid assets of aircraft factories. And somehow they managed to maintain a certain number of Soviet cars in flight condition.
    There is no other way! Engines cannot be repaired or extended forever. Sooner or later, the engine is changed! In the old one, nothing can be done because of the demolition of rubbing mechanisms and the burnout of parts. When nicks appear on the blades and the thickness of the parts decreases due to high temperatures.
    The same applies to spare parts for aircraft. On avionics, equipment, etc. Ukraine produces and manufactures something, receives something through other countries (Belarus, for example) from Russia.
    Of course, there are warehouses with Soviet stocks of ATI. But all the most valuable have long been smoked by the precious metal workers.
    1. Gennady1
      Gennady1 7 May 2021 05: 34
      +1
      Write nonsense.
      Spare parts, except for the banal Rem kit, these are nuts bolts) are made with a signed contract and after defect detection.
      And they (basic, these are disks, PKI) numbered.
  21. Albert Alberto
    Albert Alberto 7 May 2021 12: 16
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    They will wash the money and put it in their pocket. They will assemble one plane out of 50 and will be happy.
  22. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 7 May 2021 16: 36
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    "... about" the possible receipt by Ukraine of the fifth generation F-35 American fighters in the medium term. "He named 2035 as the date."
    There, either the shah dies, or the donkey dies!
  23. Kardian
    Kardian 7 May 2021 18: 22
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    Air force outskirts
  24. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 May 2021 18: 42
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    And where is it interesting for this plant to get new spare parts? Or will they take it apart and reassemble it again? fellow
  25. asr55
    asr55 7 May 2021 20: 40
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    Better to buy one Rafale.

    For what ? Over 150 mln. rub. they can only look at Rafale.
  26. alek_kg
    alek_kg 7 May 2021 22: 02
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    The President of Honduras asked the UN not to compare his country, with some kind of Ukraine ...%)))
  27. igor67
    igor67 8 May 2021 13: 21
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    Quote: Alexander Terentyev
    It is quite possible that I touched these engines that you were repairing with my hands. I installed them on the planes of my aviation squadron in the Kamenny Ruchey garrison. There was a deputy. AE commander for IAS on Tu-142. Here is one of them - he personally photographed it in 1990 on his Zenit ET film camera. I had 8 of these aircraft in the AE.

    I went on a business trip to Uzen and Nikolaev, back to Gastomel, the second series of nc was on AN22, almost all of my acquaintances now work in the United Arab Emirates, as well as a large number of specialists from Russia, I have been living in Israel for 20 years. Yes, all engines up to 94 seem to have been repaired only with us, with a double bulkhead, although in recent years only two engines have been moved, we could be punished by a control master even if the fuel trim is of different shades
  28. mih52
    mih52 20 May 2021 22: 36
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    Didn't the Svidomo claim that Russia has no right to repair AN aircraft at its factories?