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Simsek kamikaze drone launched from UAV presented in Turkey

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In recent years, Turkey has become one of the world leaders in the creation of strike and reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles. The debut of the combat use of Turkish UAVs took place in Syria and Libya, and then they proved themselves well during the second war in Karabakh. The success of existing drones has pushed Turkish companies to develop and build new drones.


Simsek: from target drone to kamikaze drone


Turkish Aerospace has introduced a new unmanned aerial vehicle Simsek. It is designed to ram a target with the subsequent explosion of a warhead. Simsek is launched from a different, larger unmanned aerial vehicle, making it a representative of a new generation of drones that do not require the assistance of manned vehicles to deliver them to the combat site.

For the first time, Temel Kotil, CEO of Turkish Aerospace, spoke about the new drone in April 2021. He gave an interview to CNN Turk, in which he revealed some of the technical characteristics of the kamikaze drone. According to an Aerospace spokesman, the new drone is capable of carrying up to 5 kg of explosives and can deliver them to a distance of about 100-200 km after being launched from another UAV. Kotil also shed some light on the scale of production: so far, 100 Simsek drones will be produced per year.


UAV Anka. Photo: Turkish Aerospace Industries

The Simsek drone, powered by a small turbojet engine, began development back in 2009, first as a high-speed target to test the capabilities of Turkey's land and naval air defense systems, as well as air-to-air missiles launched from manned fighters.

The drone was developed on the basis of a catapult launch system that can be installed on ships. But in 2020, the drone was integrated into the Anka UAV of Turkish Aerospace, which was repeatedly tested in real combat conditions. American columnist Thomas Newdick calls Anka the Turkish equivalent of the MQ-1 Predator drone.

As another potential platform for launching Simsek kamikaze drones, the twin-engine unmanned aerial vehicle TAI Aksungur, developed by the same Turkish Aerospace, is considered.

The main characteristics of the drone


As the author of The Drive Thomas Newdick writes, launching a Simsek kamikaze drone from another UAV not only increases the range, but also increases the capabilities of the launch vehicle, which is capable of attacking targets at a greater distance.


UAV Aksungur


One of the distinguishing features of the Simsek kamikaze drone is the absence of optical sensors or data transmission channel. It works more like a traditional air-to-ground missile aimed at a pre-selected target. The drone guidance method has not yet been disclosed by its developers.

However, as Newdick writes, the drone has a line-of-sight data link and is capable of operating in a completely autonomous mode. It makes it very easy to attack static targets, and in the future, developers can add more complex guidance systems.

Another advantage of the Simsek drone is its high speed. It moves quickly and has good maneuverability. The drone is also quite cheap to manufacture. All of these characteristics explain the growing interest in Turkish design not only in the Turkish military itself, but also in the United States.

But the drone has a drawback - a small weight of the warhead, which reduces its destructive potential. Therefore, experts talk about the possibilities of using a drone to attack enemy air defense systems, which drones can suppress with their number.

It is possible that Turkey has already tested Simsek drones in Azerbaijan. In addition, it is known about the interest in the drone from Kazakhstan, and in the future the circle of potential buyers of the drone may expand.
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 5 May 2021 14: 41
    +1
    ... According to an Aerospace spokesman, the new drone is capable of carrying up to 5 kg of explosives and can deliver them to a distance of about 100-200 km after being launched from another UAV.


    .One of the distinguishing features of the Simsek kamikaze drone is the absence of optical sensors or a data link. It works more like a traditional air-to-ground missile aimed at a pre-selected target. The drone guidance method has not yet been disclosed by its developers.

    However, as Newdick writes, the drone has a line-of-sight data link and is capable of operating in a completely autonomous mode.


    Cheap and cheerful. Interesting. what I think this is the future.

    The Lancet is being tested in Syria.
    “Now in Syria, many promising weapons are being tested. Recently, the media reported on the Russian-made Lancet kamikaze drones. Many manufacturers have high-precision shock systems. Kalashnikov, for example. And many others. So it may really be that one of the most advanced weapons was tested in Syria. In principle, this is possible, since the warehouse was located somewhere 20-30 km from the Syrian positions. From there, you can comfortably launch the drone. In this sense, it is important that a kamikaze drone is just better suited for such purposes. Considering that there was a refugee camp nearby. The drone's accuracy is very high, this allows us to reduce casualties among the population to a minimum, ”Valuzhenich said, commenting on the incident in Idlib.

    It is known that at the destroyed militants' depot were kept American TOW missile systems, 155-mm., American-made artillery ammunition, 122-mm. rockets for MLRS and other weapons, which, obviously, were supposed to be used for new attacks by jihadists.

    https://avia.pro/news/rossiyskiy-bespilotnik-unichtozhil-v-sirii-amerikanskie-raketnye-kompleksy-tow
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 15
      0
      I think this is the future.
      A new class of onboard weapons for attack UAVs, and light ground systems can already refuse expensive missiles, and the small mass of such warheads can always be neutralized with new types of explosives, which now Turkey will begin to do, with its production localized within the country, namely by BB!
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 5 May 2021 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      One of the distinguishing features of the Simsek kamikaze drone is the absence of optical sensors or data transmission channel.

      And right there
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      However, as Newdick writes, the drone has a line-of-sight data link.

      Am I the only one who noticed the contradiction?
      I still do not understand whether there is a communication channel or not.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 May 2021 17: 07
        +1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        lack of optical sensors or data transmission channel

        1. Translation:a) There is no optical-electronic seeker ... b) there is no communication channel "slave drone - master drone"!
        .
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        the drone has a line-of-sight data link.

        2.Translation:the correction of the flight of the slave drone by the leading drone using the laser-command communication channel is not excluded ...
        1. AUL
          AUL 5 May 2021 17: 43
          +2
          Also drew attention to this blooper! Without explanations, interpretations and half a liter - figs you will understand!
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 5 May 2021 14: 44
    +2
    But the drone has a drawback - a small weight of the warhead, which reduces its destructive potential. Therefore, experts talk about the possibilities of using a drone to attack enemy air defense systems, which drones can suppress with their number.
    The drone theme is evolving, expanding, etc.
    The topic of countering drones, swarms of drones ... also development, equipment is underway.
    An interesting question ... drones, are they weapons of the poor or the most cunning?
    Attacking a serious enemy with drones is fraught! because he will simply answer, crushingly, across the entire infrastructure of the attacker, and that will not be very up to small injections with the help of drones, this cannot be ruled out.
    The question is, who does not have something for which a response can arrive ... this is certainly not a state ...
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 May 2021 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      An interesting question ... drones, are they weapons of the poor or the most cunning?

      Interesen one more question: why the Turks rivet more and more new models of drones without stopping, and still cannot give birth to their own MBT?
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 5 May 2021 14: 51
        +2
        What is the technological connection between the production of drones and tanks?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 May 2021 14: 57
          -1
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          What is the technological connection between the production of drones and tanks?

          Are you saying that a modern MBT is much more complicated than any Turkish drone?
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 5 May 2021 15: 01
            +5
            It's just that the competencies are different.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 5 May 2021 15: 00
          -2
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          What is the technological connection between the production of drones and tanks?

          It is technological. Applied Science and High-Tech Manufacturing. They are either there or not - with a reflection in all areas.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 5 May 2021 15: 14
            +5
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            What is the technological connection between the production of drones and tanks?

            It is technological. Applied Science and High-Tech Manufacturing. They are either there or not - with a reflection in all areas.


            In all areas, the Turks are creating drones, but at the same time, under license, they are building German non-nuclear submarines of Project 214, that is, they themselves did not develop this submarine. The same Altai is in many ways similar to the South Korean black panther. The Altai tank is clearly the fruit of cooperation with the Koreans. And you say
            .Applied Science and High-Tech Manufacturing. They are either there or not - with reflection in all areas
            Not many countries in the world are capable of producing literally everything. Israel also orders non-nuclear submarines from the Germans, but at the same time it is strong in microelectronics and the production of drones.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 5 May 2021 14: 54
        +1
        Modern MBT, this weapon is not for the poor.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 May 2021 14: 56
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          Modern MBT, this weapon is not for the poor.

          Why don't they score on MBT at all, if they have drones for all occasions?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 May 2021 14: 58
            +1
            Don't tell my horseshoes ... drones, this is an extra ration on top of everything else. Not very difficult and not so expensive.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 May 2021 15: 03
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              Don't tell my horseshoes ... drones, this is an extra ration on top of everything else.

              I completely agree with you. My question is addressed to those who are straining to lament that, they say, the Turks are great, they have a lot of drones, and Russia still cannot become bloated.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 5 May 2021 15: 06
                +3
                Everything is clear there ... the Turks have goods that they can make. The product must be sold, because we ourselves need this in limited quantities. This is a harsh reality against beautiful ads.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 May 2021 15: 00
      +3
      The influence of drones on the outcome of the same Karabakh war is somewhat exaggerated.
      ... According to a number of data, the Mi-17 helicopters of the Azerbaijani Air Force used suspended containers with Israeli Spike-NLOS missiles, which were aimed at the air defense systems of Armenia and NKR either by radar signal or directly from numerous drones, which made it possible to covertly deliver strikes without being exposed to air defense strikes.


      ... The Azerbaijani military has published video footage of the ongoing exercises with the participation of both unmanned and manned military aircraft. In one of the episodes, you can see that the Mi-17 helicopter is just equipped with similar Israeli-made missiles, and, obviously, Azerbaijan preferred to use such tactics after these missile systems successfully hit the air defense systems and radars of the Syrian army.

      It should be noted that, according to analysts, Turkish drones were used quite little in the armed conflict in Karabakh, rather performing reconnaissance goals, adjusting fire and guiding missiles at the positions of the Armenian army and NKR forces.




      https://avia.pro/news/v-razgrome-armyanskih-rayonov-pvo-v-karabahe-okazalis-vinovny-vertolyoty-mi-17
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 May 2021 01: 09
        +6
        It was also full of videos.
        Reticles on the seeker of Spikes, Harpies and Turkish drone missiles are all different
        apart. Everything was applied. And everything is successful.
        Precise weapons made a quick and confident victory.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 5 May 2021 15: 09
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      An interesting question ... drones, are they weapons of the poor or the most cunning?

      And those and others - the question is in the filling. If you compare the same Turkish drones with Israeli ones, it's like comparing Toyota slippers to an armored personnel carrier. At first glance, both are transport, and they transport people in the combat zone, what's the difference.
      And the devil is in the details - that is, in the possibilities.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 May 2021 15: 44
        +1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        the question is in the filling.

        Filling, filling ... it all depends on the level of tasks and possible opposition.
        A good example, the war in Karabakh ...
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 5 May 2021 16: 13
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Filling, filling ... it all depends on the level of tasks and possible opposition.

          So this is exactly what the filling determines - the level of complexity and quality of the task, and immunity to opposition.

          Quote: rocket757
          A good example, the war in Karabakh ...

          This is not an example, this is beating a defenseless, like a fish in a barrel.

          By the way, about the filling. Recently, the Britons ordered anti-ship missiles from the Israelis, and why not the Yankees. And the anti-ship missile is not particularly remarkable, almost a clone of "Harpoon" And the salt is in the filling. It turned out that the "brains" in the Israeli missile are an order of magnitude smarter than in the "Harpoons" and countermeasures from it are practically ineffective. She even knows how to suppress the seeker of anti-aircraft missiles. So - the filling, that's all today.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 5 May 2021 16: 53
            -1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            She even knows how to suppress the seeker of anti-aircraft missiles.

            And in what years we had anti-ship supersonic ... all sorts of "basalts", "granites"? Who knew how to redistribute goals and could "powder", the brains, GOS zur enemy! ...
          2. Oleg Olkha
            Oleg Olkha 8 May 2021 00: 17
            +1
            It can be seen that you are "in the subject" of the English tender and the proposed Sea Serpent (Gabriel-5) There has been an intrigue with them since the days of the Finnish tender and the joint venture with Singapore. The fact is that: Gabriel-5 - 5.5 m. 1250 kg. dvig. "SOREK-4" (Israel), thrust-367 kgf. Tomahawk: 5.56 m. 1310kg engine-f (F107) thrust-272/318 kgf. "Much more than 200 km." in the office. messages can be slyness. Based on the size and knowing the specifications of the SOREK-4 there is more likely "1200 km." with warheads 250-400kg. thought those who apparently know how to do it. There is very little in common with Harpoon, it seems, it can loit ... Here is a conditional graphics, almost a Finnish photo of Gabriel-5 with a slightly different position of the "wings", possibly options: https://www.iai.co.il/p/sea -serpent. Best regards, have a nice day off!
            1. Oleg Olkha
              Oleg Olkha 8 May 2021 01: 29
              +1
              Perhaps easier with the graphics "Sea Serpent" here: http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=274&p=28
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 24
      -1
      drones, are they the weapons of the poor or the most cunning?
      smart and developed, maybe then !? laughing
      Attacking a serious enemy with drones is fraught! because he will simply answer, crushingly, across the entire infrastructure of the attacker, and that will not be very up to small injections with the help of drones, this cannot be ruled out.
      Only, what and at whose expense, then answer ???
      In addition, no one canceled the classic weapons (expensive) from the enemy, using these same drones !?
      Yes, in local conflicts, without saturation with all types of weapons, it is easier to do and economically more expedient than under the gaze of other intelligence services, to "roll out" "big brothers" and rattle these "adult" weapons to the whole world, the paradigm has changed already in the 21st century, now not a dozen tanks should be at the edge, plus money for them, ammunition, fuel and crew training, but several mobile groups on gantrucks, such as a peaceful pickup / van with the inscription: "Products" or "Electricians - cheap and fast", in the bushes / hollows / mountains / city blocks and a group of skillful militias and other actors, with a cold head / warm heart and 2-month courses behind them, in a camp with a contract instructor from a developed country !!!
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 51
        0
        For a long time, cars have been training with might and main, in the field of concepts: "Combat Swarm",
  3. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 5 May 2021 14: 58
    +1
    In recent years, Turkey has become one of the world leaders in the creation of strike and reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles.

    Not right. Creating your own and assembling from purchased parts is not the same thing.
    And already in the field of microelectronics and software (and this is the soul and blood of modern UAVs), they are up to the leaders as a pedestrian from Africa to Tibet.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Creating your own and assembling from purchased spare parts is not the same thing.

      Any aircraft manufacturer does the same. They buy or order spare parts, assemble and issue the finished product. North Korea, China, Iran, Russia and others like them all strive for their production, everyone else buys components all over the world, looking for the best for the lowest price.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 5 May 2021 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Creating your own and assembling from purchased spare parts is not the same thing.

        Any aircraft manufacturer does the same. They buy or order spare parts, assemble and issue the finished product. North Korea, China, Iran, Russia and others like them all strive for their production, everyone else buys components all over the world, looking for the best for the lowest price.

        This is true, but buying motors for ailerons or stuffing for the "brains" of the apparatus - there is still a difference.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 16: 52
          0
          For the user, it makes no difference at all, to the manufacturer, insofar as it is important for the military-political leadership of the country. And they completely localized the same Bayraktar to a domestic manufacturer of components, you need to look at the components, they call it TB2 / S. In my opinion, in vain, the advantage of Bayraktar is cheapness, it was made from cheap serial components.

          CATS optics and MIlSAR radar, Satcom satellite communication system, TUSAS TEI PD-170 engine
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 5 May 2021 16: 57
            +2
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            For the user, it makes no difference at all

            A huge delusion. If so, Azerbaijan would not buy Israeli drones, but only cheap Turkish ones.
            Here's just the fact that Turkish drones burned naked equipment, and Israeli drones were used to strike difficult targets - "kagbe namekaye". wink
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 5 May 2021 17: 01
              +1
              Here's just the fact that Turkish drones burned naked equipment, and Israeli drones were used to strike difficult targets - "kagbe name
              We used different classes and types, with the choice of the most economically profitable contract for ourselves, what is bad ..., no one canceled for their tasks and the lobby, the Jews were able to agree, with whom is it necessary, well done !?
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 5 May 2021 17: 18
                -1
                Quote: Intruder
                the Jews were able to agree

                Most of the workers in the Israeli military-industrial complex are not religious Jews, so it is possible to call them Jews only with great stretch and reservations. laughing
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 5 May 2021 19: 40
                  +1
                  Most of the workers in the Israeli military-industrial complex are not religious Jews, so it is possible to call them Jews only with great stretch and reservations.
                  and here, someone decided to teach a lesson in modern ethnography and world history of the peoples of the Earth, or just communication on a topic, with free reservations !? I didn't even notice ... wink
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 5 May 2021 20: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Intruder
                    and here, someone decided to teach a lesson in modern ethnography and world history of the peoples of the Earth, or just communication on a topic, with free reservations !? I didn't even notice ... wink

                    Free slips don't mean frivolous. yes
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 5 May 2021 21: 09
                      +1
                      Free slips don't mean frivolous. yes
                      They only mean, then - what meaning did we put in them ourselves, I just - in liberty, and you are still talking about: frivolity ... (no offense, I hope ...)
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 5 May 2021 21: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Intruder
                        no offense, I hope ...

                        Yes, what insults. drinks
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 17: 11
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              If so, Azerbaijan would not buy Israeli drones, but only cheap Turkish ones.

              In terms of, if it fulfills its tasks, it doesn't matter who made what.
              The main thing in Israeli (as in all) UAVs is the technical armament of the electronic warfare system, RTR, PLO, OLS, etc., etc. So far, only the United States can argue with this.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 5 May 2021 17: 29
                0
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                only in the USA can argue with this

                They make it easier, they just buy up promising developments, including Israeli ones.
                The main Israeli trump card today is software with AI. Therefore, Israeli weapons, other things being equal, are more effective than the products of many foreign competitors.
                And the direction of development is not to make (for example) a rocket faster, but to teach it to use its capabilities more effectively.
                Why fence another jet tube when you can teach an existing drone how to fly through the forest, below tree crowns, for example? This is a nightmare for any enemy in the middle lane, mountains or jungle.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 17: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  The main Israeli trump card today is software with AI.

                  So this is the main thing in the modern world. Iron is now secondary.
                  Of course, you can understand the Turks to do everything themselves, but for me it makes no sense. Too expensive.
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 5 May 2021 19: 07
                    0
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Iron is now secondary.

                    This is also wrong. Without high-quality powerful hardware (electronics) - AI does not pull.
                    Such software on bad hardware is like pushing a lion into an oil barrel - like a formidable predator, but in fact - harmless and helpless garbage, crippled during ramming.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 5 May 2021 19: 45
                      +1
                      This is also wrong. Without high-quality powerful hardware (electronics) - AI does not pull.
                      Not always of high quality (powerful, in terms of consumption or performance, all the same ... ??? laughing ) iron, without total optimization and advanced "mathematics", can give such a head start in the field: NN and NE, if we take narrowly specialized solutions, there are a lot of examples of this in the world, even in the gloomy "garages" of Liao and Xi grandfathers !?
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 5 May 2021 20: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        by consumption or by performance yet ...?

                        The question is fiercely meaningless in its rhetoric.

                        Quote: Intruder
                        if we take narrowly specialized solutions, there are a lot of examples of this in the world, even in the gloomy "garages" of grandfathers Liao and Xi !?

                        So what is the question then? laughing
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 5 May 2021 21: 16
                        0
                        The question is fiercely meaningless in its rhetoric.
                        It depends!? If the power of modern "hardware", now and suddenly now, is exactly equal to the performance in the field of computing for a certain length of time (on fingers, so as not to bother other readers with terminology) spent in this process of computing? Then a terribly rhetorical question ... wink laughing
                        So what is the question then?
                        For so much time, they did not understand, but there is no question from me, bingo !!! laughing yes
                      3. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 5 May 2021 21: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        yes there is no question from me here, bingo !!!

                        Why did you come, what did you want? (C) wassat
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 20: 06
                  -1
                  Naturally, this is true for developed countries. The NATO countries, Israel, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Taiwan have access to approximately the same level of "hardware" further is a matter of desire and skill.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 30
    +1
    And already in the field of microelectronics and software (and this is the soul and blood of modern UAVs), they are up to the leaders as a pedestrian from Africa to Tibet
    Well, well ..., something about research institutes and universities, they have already bypassed a number of European countries in numerical terms ..., and they send their students to the best world institutions in a stream, why would that be !? , even one large, but sparsely populated, everyone wants to bypass the scientific level ... and the first began to use, everywhere, their "from the very same and sticks" in real armed conflicts, plus they did not stop at this all and now, they are trying to take their position on the world arms market, in various unmanned / unmanned complexes!
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 5 May 2021 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Intruder
      they have already bypassed a number of European countries numerically ...

      And how Egypt or Nigeria, with its 200 million population, were bypassed by them, or India with its 1.5 billion, is generally scary to imagine. belay
      All of Europe probably buys Indian fighters .... but no, on the contrary. lol
      Size decides only in the bed, and even then not always. wink
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 5 May 2021 17: 03
        0
        And how Egypt or Nigeria, with its 200 million population, were bypassed by them, or India with its 1.5 billion, is generally scary to imagine. belay
        All of Europe probably buys Indian fighters .... but no, on the contrary. lol
        Size decides only in the bed, and even then not always
        You have not read correctly, winked numerically - to research institutes and universities - to relate, and not to the population of the country, so and so ... laughing
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 5 May 2021 17: 14
          0
          Quote: Intruder
          And how Egypt or Nigeria, with its 200 million population, were bypassed by them, or India with its 1.5 billion, is generally scary to imagine. belay
          All of Europe probably buys Indian fighters .... but no, on the contrary. lol
          Size decides only in the bed, and even then not always
          You have not read correctly, winked numerically - to research institutes and universities - to relate, and not to the population of the country, so and so ... laughing

          I read everything correctly - in India there are students like in 10 France, and not for the first decade. However, the French are selling knowledge-intensive systems to India, not the other way around.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 5 May 2021 17: 17
            0
            I read everything correctly - in India there are students like in 10 France, and not for the first decade.
            Hmm, I wrote about Turkey and its research institutes with universities, in an article about a Turkish drone ... and you, also write here, what does India and France have to do with it! ???
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 5 May 2021 19: 03
              0
              Quote: Intruder
              what does India and France have to do with it !?

              This is called an analogy. sad
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 5 May 2021 19: 48
                +1
                This is called an analogy
                And, here it is, and I thought with my "old man's" brains, a hug - immense, with a uniform coating of all of that on the surface laughing , on the countries-operators of foreign weapons and manufacturers of these same weapons ... hmm, you can see I'm getting old! recourse
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 5 May 2021 21: 09
                  -1
                  Quote: Intruder
                  hug - immense, with a uniform coverage of all of that on the surface laughing

                  It is better to try to embrace the immensity than to try to cram the unpushy. wassat
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 5 May 2021 21: 59
                    +1
                    It's better to try to embrace the immensity than to try to shove the unpushable
                    Both the first and the second - the gloomy balancing act for the brain is happy, don't you think !? winked
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 5 May 2021 22: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: Intruder
                      gloomy balancing act for the brain

                      Duc, we live in gloomy times, citizen comrade. fellow
                    2. Intruder
                      Intruder 5 May 2021 22: 38
                      +1
                      Duc, we live in gloomy times, citizen comrade.
                      Here, here I fully agree with you! drinks
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 6 May 2021 06: 37
    +1
    In terms of the number of certified engineers working as sales managers in stalls and academicians, doctors, candidates of sciences in deputies, they are very far from us. Does it surprise you that strong programmers, physicists, mathematicians, etc. have not studied in prestigious European universities? In Europe, more and more lawyers and marketers are training, incl. your message is absolutely by.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 5 May 2021 15: 07
    +1
    One drone launches another on target designation from a third. And all together are based on a huge carrier, a converted civilian liner. Such is the matryoshka. Or a new round of the idea of ​​a flying aircraft carrier.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 37
      +1
      on a huge carrier, a converted civilian liner. Such is the matryoshka. Or a new round of the idea of ​​a flying aircraft carrier.
      No, no, an aircraft or a sea vessel, just as a carrier barge, two dozen or hundreds of these birds, the MCC to be in their country, as a protected object of strategic importance, can be buried underground or hidden in the mountains ... to raise the orbit, by the way ..., or just take a military transport board, or a self-propelled barge at sea and in a smart way put additional equipment in the cargo compartment / hold, and also fly telemetry through a local repeater (up to 150-200 km. ), or through orbit at a long distance (over 200 km.) !!!
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 May 2021 15: 08
    +1
    Yes, the leaders, you can’t say anything. Thanks to the UAV, a regional war was won with minimal effort against the Armenian defense. Yes, we went a long way, but against the least resistance. I have a question, those who died in battles are worth it. These are people in the trawl fleet and with the Armenians were in friends and Azerbaijanis. We have fishermen, the question was not who to throw a lifebuoy, but if only heroes are called to climb into the water. According to friends, it is very scary to save people regardless of nationality. Peace be with a soldier demobilized!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 41
      +1
      With us fishermen, there was no question of whom to throw a lifebuoy, but if only heroes are called to climb into the water. According to friends, it is very scary to save people regardless of nationality.
      You mixed a little, light and kind - saving a person in a critical situation, with dirty and gloomy - fighting, among different people, in their essence they are very different and not comparable ...
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  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 May 2021 15: 42
    +1
    The Turks have gained speed, they want to overtake the Israelis in the region in this area, to grab a piece of the dough for themselves, from the sale of kamikaze drones. This is what we should have been doing 10 years ago, and not hovering in the clouds.
  • Professor
    Professor 5 May 2021 15: 48
    -1
    In recent years, Turkey has become one of the world leaders in the creation of strike and reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles.

    Not just "leaders" but "world leaders". wassat Let's not upset the author and tell him that in the second photo there is a copy of the Israeli Hermes,

    and on the third Israeli Charon.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 16: 12
      -1
      Do the IDF infantry have a battle cry, following the example of "hurray"?
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 May 2021 16: 21
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Do the IDF infantry have a battle cry, following the example of "hurray"?

        Yes, but if I voice it here, I will be banned again ... wink
        The site is strictly prohibited:

        a) Mate in any form (open and veiled, the famous phrase of Lavrov "Morons, b ..." refers to mate, dots of letters "on x ...",), as well as citing a comment with MAT, swear words; insult and threats against the opponent. The rough form of speech ("ass", "shit", etc.) ("" also refers to obscenities, the exception is articles on dog breeding).

        We will not decipher what you points there zapikali. Zapikali means mate!

        After issuing a warning for the mat do not write to the moderator. Mat is prohibited in any form, and justification or "proof" of the correctness of the site administration are not considered. Learn to be polite.


        Just kidding. When attacking, the commanders shout; "Behind me!". Well, in general, that's all. We do not take the enemy to frighten, and we do not run into the attack in full on machine guns. hi
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 16: 41
          0
          We just need an Israeli analogue of "uryakaniya", so I think how wink By the way, swearing in Israeli can really be very diverse, so many cultures have mixed together.

          I mean that Turkey is more focused on the United States.
          Anka is clearly "copies" of GNAT-750 with Preadator A / B.


          TB2 fatty RQ-7


          Aksungur scheme is closer to FW.189A, Heron is single-engine with a pusher propeller.


          The only more or less original project is Akinji. The fact that Israel produces UAVs of a class higher than the Turkish ones is unambiguous. But the price tags are not comparable either.
          Turks are more attracted to the US UAV school, which is explained by closer technical cooperation.
          1. Professor
            Professor 5 May 2021 20: 18
            -3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            You just need an Israeli analogue of "uryakaniya", so I think how By the way, obscenities in Israeli can really be very diverse, so many cultures have mixed together.

            Only here there is no mat in Hebrew. Absolutely.

            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            I mean that Turkey is more focused on the United States.

            Not. Both drones were ripped off the Israeli, and the first was generally made under an Israeli license.

            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            The fact that Israel produces UAVs of a class higher than the Turkish ones is unambiguous. But the price tags are not comparable either.

            Prices for similar systems are also similar. Even the Chinese are not capable of dumping.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 20: 33
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Only here there is no mat in Hebrew. Absolutely.

              Need to read more about your language, interesting. I was surprised to learn that write from right to left.
              1. Professor
                Professor 5 May 2021 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Quote: Professor
                Only here there is no mat in Hebrew. Absolutely.

                Need to read more about your language, interesting. I was surprised to learn that write from right to left.

                Duc, we wrote when we hadn't written with pens yet, but with a chisel on stones it is more convenient from right to left.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 5 May 2021 20: 59
                  -1
                  Was it hard to get used to it? The same English in the same group as Russian, I will not say that it is straightforwardly difficult to learn it.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 6 May 2021 01: 15
                    +2
                    It's hard to get used to it.
                    It is especially difficult when you have to write in a mixture of Hebrew
                    and English words, and more numbers. Now on the right, then on the left ... a madhouse. wassat
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 6 May 2021 06: 02
                    0
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Was it hard to get used to it? The same English in the same group as Russian, I will not say that it is straightforwardly difficult to learn it.

                    It's hard to write without vowels ...
                2. 3danimal
                  3danimal 6 May 2021 08: 52
                  +1
                  Writing anachronisms crying
                  Nothing, soon thanks to NeuroLink we will master telepathy smile
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 May 2021 09: 41
                +1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Quote: Professor
                Only here there is no mat in Hebrew. Absolutely.

                Need to read more about your language, interesting. I was surprised to learn that write from right to left.

                Hebrew mat is a 90 percent derivative of Arabic. There is a distorted expression in Russian, but only one. laughing
                With regards to drones - as far as I know:
                Chinese, Iranian - American parents;
                Russians are Israelis;
                Turkish - not in the know. The glider - the staff, the stuffing, the management - like an Israeli base from the pre-Erdogan times of cooperation. I did not dig deeply, so I analyzed the information readable somewhere once. hi
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 5 May 2021 22: 04
          -1
          Just kidding. When attacking, the commanders shout; "Behind me!". Well, in general, that's all. We do not take the enemy to frighten and we do not run into the attack in full on machine guns
          Well, ... normal heroes, in order to be living heroes ... (I was taught this by very smart and gray-haired people ... who are no longer with us all!):
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 16: 43
      -1
      Not just "leaders", but "world leaders
      And for these "world" leaders, what about the dynamics of development over the past 2 years, in this area, in particular, shock versions / different types and with the nomenclature of onboard weapons for the same shock versions! ??? wink
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 May 2021 20: 21
        -2
        Quote: Intruder
        Not just "leaders", but "world leaders
        And for these "world" leaders, what about the dynamics of development over the past 2 years, in this area, in particular, shock versions / different types and with the nomenclature of onboard weapons for the same shock versions! ??? wink

        Let's say you have 100 types of drones. You created 20 more in a year. Development dynamics is only 20%.
        Neighbor has 1 drone. He created another 3. The dynamics of development is 300%. "Bravo !!! This is growth! World leader !!!" fellow
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 5 May 2021 20: 44
          -1
          Let's say you have 100 types of drones. You created 20 more in a year. Development dynamics is only 20%.
          Total: 120, but possibly with lower performance and efficiency in real conditions !? wink
          Neighbor has 1 drone. He created another 3. The dynamics of development is 300%. "Bravo !!! This is growth! World leader !!!"
          Yes, but only on condition that 4 of them are equivalent in the effective part of applications, so 120 units. junk advertising, from the very competitor, the quality in this case, sometimes all the same takes - the quantity, "by the breast" ... laughing
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 5 May 2021 16: 22
    +1
    Nothing new - the development of V-1, anti-ship missiles, "Cruz" will only diminish with mashab and on a new elementary base.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 5 May 2021 16: 38
    +1
    One of the distinguishing features of the Simsek kamikaze drone is the absence of optical sensors or data transmission channel. It works more like a traditional air-to-ground missile,

    And then the exact opposite

    However, as Newdick writes, the drone has a line-of-sight data link.

    I alone did not understand anything?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 21: 52
      -1
      I alone did not understand anything?
      Maybe some kind of VOC with a simple connection, such as "point-to-point", therefore, in line of sight !? Although, again, the atmosphere, smoke or aerosol-metal curtain of various types, and .... lost the necessary data packets in flight on the battlefield ??? winked
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 5 May 2021 21: 55
      -1
      One of the distinguishing features of the Simsek kamikaze drone is the absence of optical sensors or data transmission channel. It works more like a traditional air-to-ground missile,
      And why should he have all sorts of expensive GOS and OES, with no less expensive opto-sensors, an elementary guidance system with correction of the trajectory of a small "kamikaze", according to external data of the target designation system on its carrier, just a high-altitude and "large" UAV ... unless, of course, this is actually conceived by the manufacturer himself, or the "wishes" of his customers !?
  • Synoid
    Synoid 6 May 2021 05: 00
    +2
    Comments ala "Vanity Fair", where the Jews with the Turks rooster in front of the cuckoo.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 6 May 2021 05: 13
    +1
    The "Turkish idea" "eerily" reminded of the plans of "Kronstadt" to create an unmanned airline complex "Thunder" and "Molniya"!

    "GROM" -Air-to-ground weapon carrier and UAV "Molniya"

    "LIGHTNING" - Reconnaissance UAV and loitering ammunition
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 May 2021 09: 57
      0
      Whom did the idea of ​​Kronshtat recall?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 6 May 2021 11: 19
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Whom did the idea of ​​Kronshtat recall?

        Peter I ...... wink
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 May 2021 23: 03
      0
      And you can be sure that Kronstadt will make and launch into the series both Thunder and Lightning.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 May 2021 09: 56
    +1
    One of the distinguishing features of the Simsek kamikaze drone is the absence of optical sensors or data transmission channel.


    Why, then, is it a kamikaze drone and not a KR?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 6 May 2021 11: 25
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Why, then, is it a kamikaze drone and not a KR

      Because "kamikaze drones" are now in "trend" (that is, in "fashion" ...); and the CD has long been "greasy"!
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 6 May 2021 12: 23
        +1
        Because "kamikaze drones" are now in "trend" (that is, in "fashion" ...); and the Kyrgyz Republic has long been "greasy"
        Well, maybe because ... because: they have separate "things" in their design and other characteristics, with dedicated capabilities in flight !? If we talk about the schematics of both the CD (generally in missile armament), and the class of these UAVs ???
        And so
        Guided cruise missile with the ability to return (and undermine the launch point)
        laughing
        Although there are some possibilities, such as: ... I can't remember the type - the CD, which can hang in the air over the target area for hours, waiting for a command to strike, that is, higher functionality compared to the CD even of a similar layout ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 6 May 2021 23: 26
          0
          Quote: Intruder
          I can't remember the type - CR, which can hang in the air over the target area for hours, waiting for a command to strike,

          And I don’t remember! Perhaps there was no such missile! There were "concepts" (a "hybrid" of a rocket with a multicopter ...), there was an English PR-rocket with a parachute ... there are recent developments of missiles with a loitering flight mode (but not a "flight clock"!) ... " can hang in the air over the target area for hours "and is not needed" (!); since the enemy will have time to find and destroy it!
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 6 May 2021 12: 29
      0
      Why, then, is it a kamikaze drone and not a KR?
      Well .., the UAV is a complex. From the airframe (there are no problems with this in Russia), the engine (here it is already more complicated), electronics and software for this electronics (everything is not at all good here ...), command posts (well, I don’t know ... limited information is not for the public. ..) and the ability to use all this - not only to steer the UAV, but also to use it - to be able to deploy a network, coordinate actions, etc. (the horse was not lying around here either). Israel has been using all this since the 80s, and already actively, the USSR also tried in the 60s and 70s to overtake everyone and everything, the USA began to rivet birds from Vietnam, Turkey in the 21st century is already catching up with its steam locomotive. And without any of these components, the UAV is a piece of useless expensive iron, and the science intensity here goes off scale, in comparison with classical missile defense / KR, and other types of weapons, plus many related fields of science and technology are used only in a complex, otherwise, alas, the output will be, again the same medium complexity CD! wink
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 May 2021 23: 06
        -4
        Russia has what the West and the Turks do not have - the Hunter UAV is the most thrust-armed in its class.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 6 May 2021 23: 58
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          Russia has what the West and the Turks do not - UAV Okhotnik

          lol The "Turks" have not yet (!) ... the "west" ... Why don't you want to compare the MQ-9 Reaper (hundreds produced ...) versus RQ-170 (tens ...)? request

          MQ-9

          RQ-170
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 7 May 2021 00: 49
            +2
            They have plenty of "Hunters" too. Moreover, all those who made the first flight much earlier than the Hunter.

            X-45, USA


            X-47B, USA


            nEUROn, France


            Taranis, England
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 May 2021 00: 26
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          Russia has what the West and the Turks do not - UAV Okhotnik

          There is a prototype, or rather a flying model, much more crude than the X-47B, X-45, Taranis, nEUROn, etc. which made their first flights 7-19 years ago.
          Quote: Vadim237
          the most thrust-armed in its class.

          Where does the data come from? And how could they appear in the flying model?