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Development and prospects of anti-helicopter mines

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Development and prospects of anti-helicopter mines
Tests of the SIAM complex. The rocket spotted and hit an unmanned target. Photo FAS


Army helicopters aviation are an important tool that can influence the course of battles. Accordingly, a developed army may require specialized or improvised means of dealing with such a threat. One of the ways out of this situation is the so-called. anti-helicopter mines. At different times, different designs and solutions of this class with differing capabilities were proposed. However, they did not become numerous and did not become widespread.

Simple solutions


During the Vietnam War, helicopters clearly demonstrated all their capabilities and advantages. A natural consequence of this was an active search for methods and means of dealing with such a threat. Mines quickly took a prominent place in this context. Due to the lack of specialized anti-helicopter samples, North Vietnam actively used available anti-tank and anti-personnel mines, as well as improvised devices.

The simplest method of defense against a helicopter was the mining of the intended landing site using push and pull ammunition. The detonation of any ammunition could cause damage to both the helicopter and its cargo, landing party or crew. However, dismounting fighters from hovering at a low altitude sharply reduced the risks.

The answer to this was the emergence of a kind of "traps". The mines were placed in trees at a certain height above the ground; the target sensor wire was suspended in the air. In this case, even without landing, the helicopter could hook the wire and cause an explosion. Damage to the car in flight or while hovering threatened to fall.

Rocket way


At the end of the seventies, the development of a promising anti-aircraft complex to combat low-flying aircraft and helicopters began in the United States. The initiator of the work and the author of the concept was the DARPA agency; the development contract was awarded to Ford. The project was designated as Self-Initiated Anti-Aircraft Missile or SIAM. This complex is often called the first specialized anti-helicopter "mine".


Bulgarian mine AHM-200-2. The cylinder at the top is the target sensor, the rectangular blocks are charges. Photo by Kintex

The SIAM product was a lightweight and compact anti-aircraft missile system. It included a light short-range missile with a radar and infrared homing head and a vertical launch launcher with communications equipment. The installation could be placed on the ground in a given area. The SUBADS (Submarine Air-Defense System) project was also being worked out - in this case, the rocket was placed on a special pop-up buoy and based on a submarine.

In 1980-81. SIAM missile has been tested with positive results. She demonstrated the ability to self-detect and engage targets. They also confirmed the fundamental possibility of "mining" the terrain with the help of new complexes. However, the army and the Navy were not interested in the new development, and the project was soon closed.

Family of mines


In the eighties, the Bulgarian industry began to develop a new family of mines, which was planned to include means to combat armored vehicles, vehicles and helicopters. On the basis of the proposed and tested solutions, four projects of anti-helicopter mines with different features and characteristics were created. They are now manufactured by Kintex.

The family uses several main components. First of all, it is an electronic fuse with acoustic and radar target sensors. The mine is installed with a certain elevation angle, which allows it to control a given sector of the airspace. When a helicopter or other target is detected at a distance of no more than 100 m, an explosion occurs. Several types of warheads have been created with ready-made striking elements or crushing fragmentation shirts. The range of destruction is up to 200 m.


The principle of operation of the 4AHM-100 complex. Kintex graphics

The anti-helicopter mine weighs 35 kg. The AHM-200 includes two different warheads with charges with a total mass of 12 kg. The AHM-200-1 product is similar in design, but differs in increased charges and a mass of 90 kg. AHM-200-2 with the same mass carries charges of a different configuration. Developed the 4AHM-100 complex. It included one control unit and four warheads with simultaneous operation at his command.

According to some reports, anti-helicopter mines entered service with the Bulgarian army. In addition, the industry has repeatedly presented its mines at various military-technical exhibitions and was looking for a buyer. However, reliable information about the export of such weapons are absent.

Smart ammunition


Taking into account foreign experience, its own anti-helicopter mine was developed in our country. At the turn of the nineties and two thousandths, the State Treasury Research and Testing Range of Aviation Systems (GKNIPAS) carried out Boomerang development work, which resulted in a PVM product. In 2003, the mine was shown to the public for the first time, and later it passed all the necessary tests. In 2012-14. it was reported about the imminent acceptance into service.

FDA is made in a housing with hinged petal lids. The modification for manual installation has 4 covers, for remote mining - 6. Under the protection of the petals are the electronic components and the guidance system of the warhead. The mine is equipped with an acoustic sensor for primary target detection and several IR receivers to accurately determine its position. The mine weighs only 12 kg and carries a shaped charge weighing 6,4 kg. It is possible to connect several FDA using wires.


Mina PVM "Boomerang" in a combat position. Photo Russianarms.ru

In combat position "Boomerang" with the help of an acoustic sensor monitors the air situation. When aircraft noise is detected, IR sensors are connected to work. This allows you to determine the direction of the target, the distance to it, as well as deploy the warhead to it. When the target approaches at a distance of less than 150 m, the warhead is detonated with the formation of a shock core. If the target is removed, the mine goes into standby mode. Wired communication of several mines makes it possible to ensure the destruction of one object with one ammunition, without unnecessary expense.

Later, a new mine was developed with similar operating principles, but in the form factor of an anti-tank ammunition. She received a low cylindrical body with 12 warheads, as well as an updated combined search system. The target detection range of such a mine is 400 m; range of destruction - 100 m.

Development trends


The potential of army aviation is obvious, which implies the need for the availability of means to combat it. The main role in this is played by military air defense, but it is possible to attract other forces and means - incl. anti-helicopter mines of special design or improvised.

From the experience of the Vietnam War, it became clear that mines on the ground or in trees are capable of disrupting the landing of an assault force and its subsequent actions. At the same time, they could not do anything to the flying helicopters. This circumstance was taken into account in all subsequent projects of specialized anti-helicopter weapons. Unlike improvised Vietnamese "traps", new products such as SIAM or PVM were able to search for and hit a target in the air, within a fairly large area.


different FDA configurations. Photo Bastion-opk.ru

Through the use of new ideas and modern technologies, it was possible to obtain sufficiently high tactical and technical characteristics. Modern anti-helicopter mines are capable of staying on duty for a long time, independently detecting a target and hitting it at a distance of up to 100-150 m. In terms of basic parameters, they cannot compete with full-fledged air defense systems, but their individual features provide some advantages.

It is easy to see that all the projects of mines considered provided for the use of combined target search means. This ensures the required detection reliability and accuracy. In addition, the combination of different equipment makes it possible to determine even the distance to the object and calculate the optimal moment of detonation of the warhead.

The American SIAM project proposed attacking a target with a guided missile, but this led to an increase in complexity and cost. Such an air defense system could not be regarded as a simple and light "mine". Subsequent projects included fragmentation and cumulative warheads firing shrapnel or an impact core. With a shorter range of destruction, such warheads provide the necessary probability and have an acceptable cost.

Due to the high characteristics, modern designs such as the Boomerang can be used to protect specified areas from low-flying targets and from helicopter assault. They can be used with equal success on their own territory or behind the front line. In the latter case, saboteurs or a remote mining system can block the operation of enemy airfields. At the same time, the target of FDA can be not only a helicopter: aircraft on takeoff and landing have a limited speed, which makes them a convenient target for a mine.


New configuration of anti-tank mine from GkNIPAS

Prospects for Directions


However, to date, only a few anti-helicopter mines have been developed, and such weapons have not become widespread. In addition, so far nothing is known about the use of such products outside the landfills. The real prospects of the direction turned out to be limited, and there are no prerequisites for changing this situation.

For all their advantages, anti-helicopter mines have several problems and controversial features. First of all, the question of the need for such weapons remains open. Modern armies have a well-developed military and air defense system capable of effectively fighting enemy army aviation.

The introduction of anti-helicopter mines requires coordinating the actions of engineering troops and air defense. Moreover, in some situations and contexts, they will duplicate each other, which will lead to the solution of the assigned task by diverting forces and means. At the same time, in their original roles, sappers and air defense show good results and the need to combine their efforts is questionable.

Thus, the concept of an anti-helicopter mine has pros and cons. As practice shows, the overwhelming majority of armies do not consider such ammunition necessary and do not accept them into service. Whether this situation will change in the future is unknown. So far, there are no prerequisites for this. However, when they appear, interested armies will be able to familiarize themselves with the few existing samples and even purchase them.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 7 May 2021 04: 53
    +6
    For all their advantages, anti-helicopter mines have several problems and controversial features.
    It looks like it is suitable for guerrilla and sabotage operations, in extreme cases, to mine some places, where a low-altitude breakthrough of enemy helicopters is possible, but you will not be enough of mines. laughing
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 7 May 2021 04: 59
      -1
      For the same money, it is the partisan who will buy - better - and not there
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 May 2021 05: 03
        0
        Quote: Cowbra
        For the same money, it is the partisan who will buy - better - and not there

        "Partizan" may buy, which provides drug trafficking, but will a real partisan or saboteur buy? They are not provided according to the principle "Any whim for your money."
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 7 May 2021 07: 20
          -4
          For this I did not say - a saboteur - it is necessary to prepare, you will agree. Uncle Vasya - from the town of Peprasya - he is. Only a solo even ODON will twist - how can you not carry it away
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 7 May 2021 08: 48
      +1
      It looks like it is suitable for guerrilla and sabotage operations, in extreme cases, to mine some places, where a low-altitude breakthrough of enemy helicopters is possible, but you will not be enough of mines. laughing

      If in a large and dense forest there are few forest edges and clearings - why not? laughing
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 May 2021 08: 52
        -1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        If in a large and dense forest there are few forest edges and clearings - why not?
        Who is partisan in our forests, can you tell me? wink
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 May 2021 09: 01
          +3
          G-d grant that no one should partisan hi
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 7 May 2021 13: 47
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Who is partisan in our forests, can you tell me?
          Forests are not only with us. Look - there are anti-American forces in Latin America, they can be useful.
  2. Cowbra
    Cowbra 7 May 2021 04: 57
    +1
    As practice shows,

    HOW does the practice show, forgive me?
  3. riwas
    riwas 7 May 2021 05: 05
    +4
    In the late seventies, the development of a promising anti-aircraft complex to combat low-flying aircraft and helicopters began in the United States. The initiator of the work and the author of the concept was the DARPA agency; the development contract was awarded to Ford. The project was designated as Self-Initiated Anti-Aircraft Missile or SIAM.

    A portable (disassembled) anti-aircraft system proposed in the article "Asymmetric response to precision weapons" (28 August 2006),
    http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren11/asimm_otvet1.htm
    it is quite possible to make it automatic, i.e. like air defense mines. The complex consists of an optoelectronic guidance unit, a power supply unit and several missiles in a TPK with a vertical launch.
    "The missile guidance system is double: a laser command one - in the initial flight segment of 8-10 km and a two-channel IR seeker homing - in the final one. Although the latter section, depending on the situation, may not exist. ... The rocket is two-stage, bicaliber.
    ... The fact is that the warhead of the missile defense system is proposed to be carried out according to the principle of the American anti-personnel mine of directional action M18 "Claymore", i.e. to carry out an aimed sectorial scattering of fragments, and not a circular one. Before detonating the warhead, using a non-contact laser fuse, the position of the rocket relative to the target is determined and the missiles are quickly oriented along the roll, so that the sector of the scattering of the fragments is directed to the target. Thus, warhead fragments are rationally used, which allows reducing the weight of the warhead by the weight of "extra" fragments. "
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 7 May 2021 05: 24
      +1
      Quote: riwas
      it is quite possible to make it automatic, i.e. like air defense mines.

      Only the price of the issue will not allow the mass character of mine weapons.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 8 May 2021 22: 34
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Only the price of the issue will not allow mass character

        And on such a mine you will have to install "friend or foe" equipment, with a high risk of falling into the hands of a potential enemy - or make a mine without an interrogator, but then it will pose a danger to its own aviation.
    2. sen
      sen 7 May 2021 11: 03
      0
      Pantsir-S1 can also operate in a fully automatic mode.
      1. Aag
        Aag 7 May 2021 15: 40
        +1
        Quote: sen
        Pantsir-S1 can also operate in a fully automatic mode.

        Without quoting the comment to which you are responding, it is difficult to evaluate yours. I put a minus on you ... Then I corrected it.
        Please be more specific. hi
        Indeed, in the "bare" reading of your commentary immediately ask for counterarguments about comparing the cost of "Shell" and ten mines (not to mention the level of preparation of calculations, - "Shell" must be delivered, deployed, which is not always possible, --- with mines it is easier ... although, probably, with less efficiency).
        If such mines are still equipped with the possibility of remote transfer from sleep mode to combat mode, with sufficient energy autonomy, it turns out a dangerous thing!
  4. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 7 May 2021 05: 16
    +3
    If there is or will be a need, they will start and apply.
    And the piece of iron is interesting and very dangerous.
    There is no practice because no one has yet applied it.
    Here the Turks used UAV en masse in Armenia and all other countries began to stir
    both practice and fact are immediately apparent. Not yet evening.
  5. riwas
    riwas 7 May 2021 05: 40
    +2
    This topic has already been: almost 1 to 1.
    https://topwar.ru/44358-protivovertoletnye-miny-avtomatika-na-zaschite-voysk.html
  6. riwas
    riwas 7 May 2021 05: 46
    +10
    Anti-helicopter mines were planted in their mountains by Afghan spooks. In the rocky ground, at the site of a possible helicopter flight or landing, a hole was made, explosives were placed in it, and stones were piled on top. The fuse sensor was a strip of sheet metal connected to two power wires. The explosion occurred when a strong stream of air from the descending helicopter deflected this plate and closed the electrical circuit of the fuse. The stones flew up 50, 100 and even 200 meters, and at the same time they could seriously damage the helicopter, and the shock wave from the explosion could completely overturn it.
    1. Pushkowed
      Pushkowed 7 May 2021 07: 39
      +3
      The Vietnamese acted similarly. One of the options for an anti-helicopter trap: in a clearing suitable for landing (and there are a limited number of such in the jungle), pegs were driven in, hand grenades were tied to the pegs, wrapped in several layers of strips of paper or cloth, after which safety checks were removed from them (the levers continued to be held stripes). The air flow from the helicopter propeller straightened and deflated these strips - and the grenades exploded. However, it was not the helicopter itself that was so amazed, but the paratroopers. Yes, and for their troops, such "mining" was unsafe. And the Americans quickly found a countermeasure: a preliminary bombardment of the clearing with thermobaric ammunition (at the same time, the problem of mines and other types of traps was solved).
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 7 May 2021 19: 14
        +7
        Quote: Pushkowed
        ... And the Americans quickly found a countermeasure: preliminary bombardment of the clearing with thermobaric ammunition (at the same time, the problem of mines and other types of traps was solved).
        I heard a different version of events ...
        Daisy mower - Blu-82 bomb, was used to create a "clearing" - the place where the troops landed. That is, in the middle of the jungle, Blu-82s were dropped and a landing site was formed.
        Blue-82
        Blu-82 on a Ch-54 helicopter.
        daisy mower glade
        helicopter daisy mower
        The helicopter in the clearing after Daisy mowers.
        soldier
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 May 2021 01: 41
        +4
        Quote: Pushkowed
        The Vietnamese acted similarly. One of the options for an anti-helicopter trap: in a clearing suitable for landing (and there are a limited number of such in the jungle), pegs were driven in, hand grenades were tied to the pegs, wrapped in several layers of strips of paper or cloth, after which safety checks were removed from them (the levers continued to be held stripes). The air flow from the helicopter propeller straightened and deflated these strips - and the grenades exploded.

        Yes ... the Vietnamese had their own anti-helicopter mines ... But there are inaccuracies in your description!

        I think that from the photo everything is clear about the principle of operation ... nothing needs to be explained! There is also such a "product"!
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 7 May 2021 16: 27
      +1
      Is there data on the effectiveness of combat use?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 7 May 2021 22: 39
        0
        And besides the minuses, is there anything to say?
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 May 2021 08: 46
    +2
    Oh you, never suspected that such mines exist
    1. agond
      agond 7 May 2021 09: 15
      +1
      Mine Boomerang is somehow very dimensional, it could have been made smaller, and in general it is probably better to do it according to the principle of a mortar, they buried a pipe vertically with a simple and cheap mine and the target detection system was common for several minutes. Such mining of the terrain will disaccustom the helicopter to fly low near the ground, and at the height there are already conventional air defense systems.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 May 2021 13: 43
        0
        Quote: agond
        Mina Boomerang

        Something is special now and I don't remember "boomerang"! I remember that a certain design bureau (which one ... I don't remember now, but you can see it in the "archive" ...) was developing an anti-helicopter mine "Temp-20" and an anti-tank ("anti-roof") mine "Temp-30" ... later, "Temp-20" became PVM ... "Temp-30" was initially "forgotten"; but I suppose that later it was modified to PTKM-1r ...
      2. psiho117
        psiho117 8 May 2021 22: 44
        0
        Quote: agond
        Probably it is better to do it on the principle of a mortar, they buried a pipe vertically with a simple and cheap mine and the target detection system is common for several minutes.

        I agree, you need to make a universal detection and detonation system - and already you can connect to it from one (assembled at once) to several warheads (wired connection and spread 50 meters in different directions).
        As a warhead, you can use both MONK and anti-aircraft with a godfather. shock core, and launching MANPADS.
        And in the future, the sensor will be universal for anti-tank and anti-helicopter applications. It will also send data to the headquarters - network centricity, however ... hi
    2. Avior
      Avior 7 May 2021 09: 16
      -2
      would not say that they exist, rather, they are trying to create.
      Too many factors are involved for such a mine to work effectively.
      Not to mention the price.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 May 2021 11: 32
        0
        Price - a helicopter is any more expensive, as is the preparation of a squad of disembarking soldiers and pilots
        1. Avior
          Avior 7 May 2021 12: 46
          0
          More expensive, only hundreds of mines need to be installed for each downed helicopter, and it's not a fact that they will work as needed
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 7 May 2021 13: 51
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            More expensive, only hundreds of mines need to be installed for each downed helicopter, and it's not a fact that they will work as needed
            The task of these mines is not so much to shoot down a helicopter, but to ensure that the helicopters do not run too much in the right place or stay higher, where the air defense personnel will already see them.
            1. Avior
              Avior 7 May 2021 15: 22
              -1
              There are many necessary places, and each one needs more than one minus, again, the reliability of operation is a big question
              Such mines will appear - there will also be UAVs - traps - with a large EPR and a high-power sound source
              Easier to put a full-fledged zrk in the right place
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 7 May 2021 16: 12
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                Such mines will appear - there will also be UAVs - traps - with a large EPR and a high-power sound source
                Look at the UAVs of the time when these mines were created. Yes, even if they do appear, the operation of the mines will show the enemy's increased interest in this zone, it is already possible to take measures.
                Quote: Avior
                Easier to put a full-fledged zrk in the right place
                The air defense missile system is much more expensive and he will not see the helicopter at the altitude at which a mine is triggered on the helicopter.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 7 May 2021 16: 23
                  -1
                  UAV - the simulator will just fly five minutes in front of the helicopter along the route
                  This does not require expensive drones, simple enough
                  It will be necessary - first, the couple will be chased one after the other
                  And all mining will be useless
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 7 May 2021 13: 58
            -1
            Yes, it's a question of improvement
          3. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 7 May 2021 19: 46
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            More expensive, only hundreds of mines need to be installed for each downed helicopter, and it's not a fact that they will work as needed
            As an example, "ordinary minefields" - such fields are sown with thousands of mines ...
            Just to slow down the enemy, deprive him of his freedom of maneuver.
            In the sea, the same "minefields are sown", anti-helicopter mines can be placed on passes and saddles in the mountains - the helicopter will not fly over the mountain from above ... This will be the calculation in the installation of such anti-helicopter mines.
            1. Avior
              Avior 7 May 2021 21: 23
              0
              If he knows about the existence of mines, he will fly around or start a trap in a dangerous place
              These mines have a very narrow scope of application, and the price is high
              You said correctly that ordinary mines are placed in the thousands, but this is not the case - very expensive and not entirely reliably triggered
              Two fighters with MANPADS in the same place will be much more effective, they cannot be trapped
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 7 May 2021 22: 24
                +2
                Quote: Avior
                If he knows about the existence of mines, he will fly around or start a trap in a dangerous place
                I watch "someone generous" handed out "cons" to everyone ...
                Against "conventional MANPADS" the same applies heat traps
                heat traps
                In the event that a helicopter or attack aircraft will fly around the "minefield" - this is RESULT.
                I don’t know the price of "anti-helicopter mines", but I think in case of mass production the price will be comparable to conventional mines, such as POM-3 Medallion.
                pom-3
                I mean the presence of "brains" and sense organs in the mine.
                soldier
                1. Avior
                  Avior 8 May 2021 08: 41
                  0
                  Distances are completely different
                  And an acoustic trap against such mines is as easy as shelling pears if they react to sound
                  If you make more complex sensors, and a more complex warhead that is not capable of shooting straight up, then the price will immediately climb up very strongly.
                  With a small minefield, helicopters will simply make a small hill in this place, with large ones, effective mines are not cheap
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 8 May 2021 19: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    Distances are completely different
                    And an acoustic trap against such mines is as easy as shelling pears if they react to sound
                    If you make more complex sensors, and a more complex warhead that is not capable of shooting straight up, then the price will immediately climb up very strongly.
                    You can compare "anti-helicopter mines" with UAVs ...
                    Yesterday (10-15 years ago) drones were a "strange animal".
                    Today, the UAV Barkayter TV-2 is gaining air supremacy and winning wars (the second Karabakh war in 2020).
                    In the old days, the Strela MANPADS did not delight the generals and was considered "an unnecessary toy" ...
                    The "anti-helicopter mine" will be no more complicated than suicide drones and the price will be comparable.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 8 May 2021 19: 53
                      0
                      if it is based on a rocket, then it is not cheaper than MANPADS, the main thing in the price of which is the GOS
                      But in general, wait and see.
                      1. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 8 May 2021 20: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Avior
                        if it is based on a rocket, then it is not cheaper than MANPADS, the main thing in the price of which is the GOS
                        Here they made an anti-tank mine from the RPG-18 - TM-73
                        tm-73
                        Likewise, MANPADS will be altered (installed vertically ...). The point of all the problems with mines is to put an obstacle that slows down the enemy without using a person (soldier). There is a mine in the ground (at the bottom of the sea), and everyone around this place is bypassed, making a passage in the minefield is not a problem - problem in time spent on clearance soldier
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 8 May 2021 20: 26
                        0
                        specifically in the case of an RPG, the mine turned out to be not cheap and very specific, and its effectiveness was not tested
                        The main strength of mines is in their cheapness.
                        And mine clearance during hostilities has not been done for a long time by sappers with probes in their hands
                      3. psiho117
                        psiho117 8 May 2021 23: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        The main strength of mines is in their cheapness.


                        Not always.
                        For example, in mountainous areas, there are plenty of places where the probability of a turntable flying is close to 100%.
                        Plus, there are all sorts of "helicopter-hazardous" directions - which would be nice to cover with something other than regular air defense systems and infantry with MANPADS.
                        In addition, what kind of scope for sabotage activities: to place such mines near the airfield, set them up for a "large" signature - this can completely paralyze air traffic for several days - which can be critical for the general situation at the front.
                        Yes, even the very fact of the possible presence of such mines will bring great discomfort to enemy pilots, forcing them to choose other routes, or increasing the altitude.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 8 May 2021 23: 55
                        0
                        set to "large" signature

                        as soon as such mines appear and they will actually be used, they will make cheap traps with the same "large signature" - mines will cost more than traps.
                        until there is a reliable way to select false targets for such mines, they will not be effective
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  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 7 May 2021 11: 27
    +1
    How is your own or someone else's aircraft determined, or do your own people not fly in this area?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 May 2021 13: 46
      -2
      These mines are pointless in modern warfare. The infantry has MANPADS, large-caliber machine guns, and the Air Force and Air Defense Army against helicopters.
      1. Aag
        Aag 7 May 2021 16: 21
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        These mines are pointless in modern warfare. The infantry has MANPADS, large-caliber machine guns, and the Air Force and Air Defense Army against helicopters.

        A bold statement, and it seems not entirely thought out ...
        It seems to me that even the command and control unit (preparation and launch group) of the Yars PGRK should have such a "device" in its arsenal, despite the depth inside the territory, - about 300 km from the Chinese border ("Strela", "Needles" is a theory of distant practice). And interaction with air defense (I am writing about my years of service), - a warning about an air raid on the TLF DS (TA-57) from the officer on duty in the DA regiment in Belaya (then NSh D. Dudaev served there .. .)! ...
        Yes, it was calculated that the short-range air defense, the Strategic Missile Forces would provide itself! At the school ... they were familiarized. The prepared calculations were supposed to be me (under my leadership). That's it. Only the shooting of "Strela" was first seen by the captain (at the beginning of the school year). I didn't hold it in my hands ... The theory, at the core, I know ... What's the point, what?
        But, if available, I can lay mines with competent instruction, and now I can; and teach, even the current conscripts! Even if 22 years old penny MO. As the saying goes, feel the difference. hi
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 7 May 2021 21: 44
          -1
          There is no longer any point in these mines - all air defense is integrated into a single system - not a single turntable will fly unnoticed. Moreover, the Ministry of Defense has recently ordered 187 mobile radars Gamma Podlet and Kasta.
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 7 May 2021 19: 34
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      How is your own or someone else's aircraft determined, or do your own people not fly in this area?

      For example in Afghanistan ...
      One side has aviation - the other side has NO aviation.
      The situation is the same in Syria.
      In principle, an "anti-helicopter mine" can use a device "friend or foe"- there is such a device on Igla MANPADS - 1L14. soldier
      Should I explain about the "friend or foe" device?
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 7 May 2021 15: 13
    -1
    Anti-helicopter mines were developed in the Russian Federation, Bulgaria, Austria ... Once I was "happy" that Russia has them; but now I doubt the effectiveness of this weapon ... The weapon is expensive ... you won't "nominate" much (try guess the route that the enemy's helicopter pilots will "choose"!) ... you can only hope for results if there are low-flying targets ... plus, the probability of being hit by the "first shot" is not 100% ... can find its place! This is the "closing" of "dead zones" in the air defense system of the object (mining of extended ravines, "reverse slopes" of skyscrapers, control zones at the locations of military units with secret weapons and important warehouses in urban areas ...). The "rapid" development of unmanned "aviation" suggests that "specialized" multicopters, tiltroplanes can be used as FDA (and against UAVs ...) (similar to "aerial mining"; but there may be some "nuances"!) You can try to use the "engineering ammunition" M-225 ... (or rather, "improvisation" based on the M-225 ...) or other methods ... for example, as in this patent ...
  10. 123456789
    123456789 7 May 2021 16: 00
    -1
    Along with PVM, anti-aircraft artillery with electromagnetic (VMG) ammunition appears to be effective against UAVs.
    1. agond
      agond 7 May 2021 18: 01
      +2
      And if you use small tethered aerostatics-mines like a plastic bag on a fishing line against a low-flying helicopter, there is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen in the bag, it is known that 1m3 of hydrogen lifts 1.2 kg in summer, up to 1.5 kg in winter, enough to lift yourself and 50-100m of fishing line, and then bang when in contact with the propellers. It is quite difficult to detect such an object in the air visually and radar. , although it can simply be burned with a laser, if they are constantly shining along the course, perhaps garlands of small balls on one thread are better suited.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 7 May 2021 22: 49
        +1
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1330907/ISIS-launch-condom-bombs-sky-aiming-jets.html Эта идея не нова- "передовая армия любителей овец" уже пыталась применять зенитные презервативы wassat .
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 May 2021 00: 43
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        Quote: agond
        if you use small tethered aerostatics-mines like a plastic bag on a fishing line against a low-flying helicopter,

        There is a similar "project" on one of the sites like "free patents" ... Opponents have identified and indicated "some", but significant shortcomings ...
  11. Undecim
    Undecim 7 May 2021 17: 48
    +2
    The author rewrote his own 2014 article and did not even bother to update the information on the samples that have appeared during this time, like the Iranian Saeqeh.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 May 2021 00: 59
      +1
      The photo is not an Iranian mine at all ... and not an anti-helicopter one! Why is the American anti-tank mine attributed to Iran? request
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 8 May 2021 08: 56
        0
        It was not I who attributed it to Iran, it was the Iranians themselves.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 8 May 2021 10: 05
          0
          The fact that the "picture" is Iranian, I do not argue! The "picture" shows the tests of the cluster "jumping" Iranian PVM! "Saeqeh" is an improved mine of the "shown" type ... But what about the photo of the American Hornet? request
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 8 May 2021 10: 28
            +2
            But where does the photo of the American Hornet have to do with it?

            To knock off the trail.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 8 May 2021 11: 15
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              Quote: Undecim
              To knock off the trail.

              Ahh! Now I understand!
    2. psiho117
      psiho117 8 May 2021 23: 32
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      Quote: Undecim
      like the Iranian Saeqeh.

      Maybe Sayad?
      Saeqeh is an Iranian copy of the F-5.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 May 2021 01: 26
        0
        Quote: psiho117
        Maybe Sayad?
        Saeqeh is an Iranian copy of the F-5.

        It is reported on the Internet that Iran has 3 types of PVMs, of which two are cassette PVMs ... "Sayyad '' u '' Saeqeh '' ... '' Saeqeh '' (" Lightning ") is an improved version of" Sayyad "
        PS This is where the "bewilderment" begins! Because, even in Iran, there is a Saeqeh '' u '' Sayyad '' fighter - an anti-aircraft missile system!
  12. va3610
    va3610 9 May 2021 13: 25
    +2
    Everything has been invented for a long time, MON-100 or MON-200 in the place of the intended landing ... What is called cheap and cheerful.