The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has difficulties with replacing UAZ army vehicles in the Armed Forces of Ukraine

It became known about the difficulties faced by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in its attempts to replace army UAZ vehicles with other off-road vehicles.

Recall that at the beginning of 2021, the main military department of Ukraine announced a tender for the purchase of several hundred army vehicles, which are planned to replace the UAZ in the troops. Development work in this regard in Ukraine was called "Development of an off-road passenger car for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine".

As a result, applications from six companies were registered, among which there is one, the authorized capital of which is 1 thousand hryvnia, and the registration time is several weeks before the announcement of the tender by the ministry.

Also among the applicants - the company "Ukravtobusprom", which is actually the heir to those scanty assets and capacities that remained after the bankruptcy of the Lviv Bus Plant (LAZ). As it turned out, “Ukravtobuprom” has not produced a single bus or a single SUV over the past seven years ... However, this did not prevent it from declaring its readiness to participate in the tender.

Problems for the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in terms of replacing the UAZ are associated with several areas. For example, the Ukrainian military department stated that R&D should be carried out at the expense of the companies themselves, and the final results will be compared, on the basis of which the optimal option for future financing of production will be selected. In this regard, many of the original contenders for production immediately dropped out. Apparently, they hoped to receive funding immediately, but when it came to the need to spend themselves with an unpredictable result, the number of those wishing to “de-Sovietize” the main army off-road vehicle of the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to diminish.

Another difficulty for the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in this regard is the financing itself. Since we are talking about the production of hundreds of military vehicles, it is necessary to finance not only their direct purchases, but also subsequent maintenance, the formation of the proper volumes of spare parts and components. And this initially turned out to be "not fully envisaged."

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[Normal ok]

What is the difference between Ukraine and Russia? Yes, the fact that the same budget cuts in Russia are inviolable (because they are the friends of the darkest), and in Ukraine there are different groups of oligarchs. They merge each other with the press and the prosecutor's office.

[Orange bigg]

No need to level up. Here's how the Ukrainian army differs for clarity.

. Residents of the southeast of Ukraine talk about the situation in the region in letters to relatives and friends.

This time, the article presents the revelations of the "inspector from the headquarters", told about a drunken case to local residents. Which the "major" tried to persuade to jointly trade with the DPR "surplus" ammunition and military equipment.

But what I learned from one officer, now I'll tell you. It's already possible - he left. And before that, there was a type of inspector in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Drank a lot in the evenings with the locals, which is amazing.

You know, after which I can't do much, but he is yes. But he is a visitor, and even in ranks. But he said a lot and all the time in a minor key.

Here, in brief, is just what I heard myself during these gatherings with vodka:

“There is a mess in the troops, the officers were divided into three camps. Drunkards, hucksters and people like him, "don't sew a mare's tail" - they didn't manage to make money, didn't really take root in the headquarters, and didn't want to sink completely to the bottom of the bottle. Although he was drinking heavily.

For the money. The promised "a thousand grisek-a-day." It is clear that they do not pay. And the promised from 8 to 000 (up to $ 13) per month, not all major colonels receive. Only those who are at the headquarters, or "for special services." The rest will be as necessary. Here he is on a business trip - there is a chance to get it in a month.

And those who are sitting on the front lines are disenfranchised creatures. There battalion and company commanders are twisting. Why do you think the losses are hidden? That's right, they get money for dead souls. According to the list, there are 100 people in the company, but in fact - 60-70, if less, then you can't hide it. And a platoon of 10-20 snouts. Sections and three or four muzzles are not uncommon. Not all of them died, of course. And you can't hide all of them. Who is wounded, who is sick or deserted (the DPR surrendered or got in as a language).

Search for a connection with the DPR. Maybe in all seriousness the "major" wanted to open his gesheft to the adjacent territory, I cannot say. He told us what he could trade and put there. Type invited to cooperation. Maybe then he drank with us and confessed.

But we opened up to him and no one got in touch. Maybe a setup, or maybe FIG knows him. Because here from the VSUshny officer who established the gesheft, they are encrypted terribly. Nobody concedes a piece of the "window at the border". Moreover, the "ensigns" of the neighbors rattle if their double bass falls on someone else's plot. And then this "Pan Major" wanted to get in. Yeah, we scattered, of course.

He also talked about the supply of troops. With grub - better than in 2015. Ammunition shaky-roll. What about BC? Everything is shitty here. They supply shells up to thirty millimeters, cartridges for small arms and mines somehow. What is interesting is that there are a lot of very old Soviet ones and, as a result, refusals when shooting.

With the rest of the ammunition - ass. Especially heavy from 100 millimeters and high-explosive fragmentation for tanks, only a bunch of armor-piercing. Remained somewhere in storage for 50 years. There are several large warehouses, they are trying to sort, but the rest is all fired or sold.

There is nothing to carry out daily shelling, as in the summer, because only the rifleman and BMPhami are playing pranks. If earlier shells were transported by carriages, now by cars, and even from afar. A month is stocked up in order to fire a week.

Loss. Says a lot. They lose a lot, literally. From illness and drunkenness most of all. Then there are random crossbows and not very self-detonations, sometimes in the field, or even in the dugout. Nobody knows the exact numbers - read about "dead souls" above. Only those losses that cannot be hidden or if the inspection is satisfied with the personnel review. But this does not happen often, because the authorities here do not need to do it on the front line, for this there are "gentlemen majors", but do the majors need it?

Let's cast aside the ideological, there are no more of them in the troops than pacifists. The bulk of today either depict military actions for rations, or out of the principle: we feel bad, but we will make it even worse for you. We screwed up with the Maidan, and you were right, so sho "we will not-forget-we will not-forgive" and will not give you a better life, because why should only we be shitty?

True, when they get snot, they sing completely different songs. So do not have any illusions about being ideological or that fennel propaganda works well here. Everyone here knows what and how. And they howl deliberately.

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zen.yandex.ru

Do you trust everything that is poured into this trash heap? Or selectively?

[svp67]

Quote: Normal ok

What is the difference between Ukraine and Russia?

The fact that in Ukraine you can carry all sorts of nonsense about Russia, and in Russia about Ukraine

[nnm]

Didn't quite catch your analogy.
Especially considering that the SDO goes through special accounts with a limited list of opportunities for spending.
And with an advance payment of 30%.
You can, of course, start your own suppliers ... but you won't last long. This is necessary initially, even during the formation of the NMC, when calculating the maximum contract price, overstated figures should be laid. That is, in principle, all this is being done, but with much greater difficulty and risk than in the days of, for example, Spetsstroy.
In Ukraine, as far as I am aware, the problem is exactly the same as ours at the beginning of 2000 - they threw money into any fictitious program, especially without straining even with documents, and then administratively covered all these expenses as in the case of bulletproof vests, hammers, shame, etc.
To put it simply, they steal from us, yes, but from the actually created products (most often), and in Ukraine they steal even before they start production. That is, they, on the contrary, think where they can steal, and then they come up with a program for this, which will create the appearance of the need for these expenses. As with the "Big Construction", for example, with single-level interchanges for $ 500 million. and the same UAZs.
But I do not quite agree with the opinion of the author of the article that the participants dropped out after they learned that the design work was self-financing. This is not true. This condition was originally in the procurement documentation and was known about it. Everything is simpler - the attraction of all the garbage dumps is Ukrainian fashion, so that later to cheerfully report on the huge savings in the bidding.
They ate easier:
Market price: RUB 1
"Own participant" offers for 10 rubles.
"Garbage" -100 rubles.
As a result, they buy 10 times more expensive, but they report that the price has dropped by as much as 45 rubles.
We also sin like this, of course, but in recent years the FAS has very much cut it for this.

[Evgeny I.]

Hear Ikspard a mile away. It hurts with lard and vodka.

[lucul]

What is the difference between Ukraine and Russia?

Yes, in general, it's simple - Russia is a subject of world politics, and Ukraine is an object of world politics))))

[Irek]

Used Hummers bought, at the price of a new, ordinary business in a hahlyatski.

[Alexander 3]

I would advise them the cheapest and most practical option is to buy donkeys. Carts, seats and other equipment are not needed for donkeys, maintenance is simple, gasoline is not needed. why do they need them still shoot each other.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Alexander 3

I would advise them the cheapest and most practical option is to buy donkeys. Carts, seats and other equipment are not needed for donkeys, maintenance is simple, gasoline is not needed. why do they need them still shoot each other.

This is in the world ... smartly means.
And this is how it is in Ukraine ...

Economy class car - when the chaise and the horse were replaced by a vodka ...

[Jager]

Let them ride each other in all "Azovs".

[knn54]

What's wrong with the Bogdan-2351 multipurpose SUV?
In 2017, they were "driven" at the training ground.
In 2018, he was sent for testing to the OOS / ATO zone, where it was used as a patrol vehicle, a vehicle for placing an AN / TPQ-49 counter-battery system, and also as a vehicle for artillery units. And, as it were, successfully.
True, Bogdan Motors belongs to Poroshenko ...

[lucul]

What's wrong with the Bogdan-2351 multipurpose SUV?

All that UAZ needs is a reliable diesel engine with a volume of 2.0 liters and above.

[Cowbra]

It can't be straight! How many times has it been said that you have to live within your means, including the army, otherwise nothing good will come of it

[NDR-791]

Quote: Cowbra

How many times has it been said that one must live within one's means, including the army,

So be it ...

[Cheerock]

Oh, they threw the Chinese at the wrong time. Now you can't even bring greatwalls under such a case.

[1976AG]

Let the production of LuAZ be resumed. For the APU just right.

[vik669]

Yes, yes LuAZ-967 and LuAZ-969 both by land and by sea - just right!

[kventinasd]

It became known about the difficulties faced by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine in its attempts to replace army UAZ vehicles with other off-road vehicles.

So there is also the development of "great" patriots're coming out

Let them do it.

[Orange bigg]

Well, for vodka to the store to drive the very thing.

[Pilot]

Loise's cross-country ability is better than the Oise, there are no classic bridges on which the car hangs off-road, only the performance / quality of this car was wicked, swine-prone. Yes, and that long ago pissed away.

[lucul]

Loise has better cross-country ability than Oise, there are no classic bridges on which a car hangs off-road,

There are no bridges - the clearance is higher, but the cardan transmission of torque to the wheels is much worse in terms of the reliability and durability of classic bridges.

[Andrey Korotkov]

All the same, the Luaz army let the army work out, the sanitary vehicle, reconnaissance, drowned without a roof (I don't remember the model, the driver accidentally drove the gun into the cabin with a shot), they drove the unit to the dignity through the local swamp ~ 12 km.

[monster]

Zrada knows no mercy! Bandera for kukan! For kukan bandera!

[Alien From]

With the attitude of non-brothers to technology, she herself will decommunize, they will move on donkeys)

[Evil 55]

Russia is still not in a position to replace UAZs with something more modern, what can we say about jumpers ...

[lucul]

Russia is still not in a position to replace UAZs with something more modern, what can we say about jumpers ...

To change, you need a different engine, around which the car is built, and not vice versa. And since there are no new engines, there is nowhere to wait for a new car.
This is one of the pitfalls of the USSR - an unspoken ban on the development of motor building. Tanks were riveted in tens of thousands of pieces (money was found for this), and to develop a new engine (range from 2.0l to 5.0l) - no, no (no money for this).
The same GAZ-53 drove the American engine as early as 1936.

[not main]

Quote: lucul

The same GAZ-53 drove the American engine already in 1936

Please do not confuse GAZ-53 and GAZ-52! On the 52nd there was a straight-six (from Ford), and on the 53rd there was already our eight!

[ZAV69]

Quote: lucul

The same GAZ-53 drove the American engine as early as 1936.

Amer engine is 51 and partly 52. ​​53 already has a V-shaped eight

[your1970]

Quote: lucul

an unspoken ban on the development of motor engineering. Tanks were riveted in tens of thousands of pieces (money was found for this), and to develop a new engine (range from 2.0l to 5.0l) - no, no (no money for this).

Rather, the lack of designers, engineers and materials. And always from the moment the engine was born as a product of progress ...
The slogan "With a good engine - and the gate will fly!" (C) I don't remember whose - it still exists ...
Well, they don't know how to make engines with us, they don't know how

[Lara Croft]

In this regard, many of the original contenders for production immediately dropped out. Apparently, they hoped to receive funding immediately, but when it came to the need to spend themselves with an unpredictable result, the number of those wishing to “de-Sovietize” the main army off-road vehicle of the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to diminish.

[AC130 Gunship]

Nothing. While on the UAZ train. Then, on the sly, someone will give the decommissioned Humvees. Or maybe he will sell for a good price. Can give 10-20 pieces. Nobody will give 500

[AC130 Gunship]

Cars for the army are definitely a serious tender. But cheaper tenders (well, for example, the supply of 500 pieces of Chinese armchairs for the army) in some developed countries can be won by any Uncle Vasya from a legal entity. face. Such a tender is open to anyone
it is very, very difficult for anyone who wants to buy from "their" seller there. There is an open criterion for evaluating the proposal. And if Vasya sells a chair for $ 400, and your sidekick for $ 995, then you just physically cannot buy from a sidekick. Everything is transparent. It is a pity that this model does not work either in Russia or in Ukraine.

[Murmur 55]

Yeah, the Indians bought Rafali at an inflated price (probably fools), the Americans are selling (through I don't want to) their F-35 to all their allies, too, not to the detriment of themselves, domestic purchases for the states themselves are also very expensive, they themselves complained (well, if their media does not whistle) so this scheme is everywhere not only in Ukraine and in Russia.

[your1970]

Quote: Murmur 55

domestic purchases for the states themselves are also very expensive,

1970s ...
The magazine "Man and Law" - "Their Manners" ..
The Pentagon bought metal ashtrays for itself at ... 190 bucks apiece (at a price of 0,9 bucks) and plastic waste baskets for 110 (at a price of 1 dollar)

Quote: AC130 Ganship

you just physically you can't buy from a sidekick. Everything is transparent.

Knowingly you blurted out ...
And such TRANSPARENT tenders for 8 trillion. Dollars ... This is somewhere close to the entire budget of the Russian Federation ..
Transparent ...
There are many such transparent tenders, yeah .. For example, the supply of sewer pipes to Afghanistan for facilities where there was no sewer ...

Well, the truth must be given their due - someone was kicked out and there was a scandal, since the "Man and the Law" learned about it in the USSR

[NF68]

With what they do not have problems or will not arise in the near future?

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Inspired. 1974-1975, Algeria. At the Range Rover School. Zavgar said so. Great cars on the highway. But in the desert I haven't seen Gaz 69 better than yours ...

[Dude]

Quote: Petr Vladimirovich

Inspired. 1974-1975, Algeria. At the Range Rover School. Zavgar said so. Great cars on the highway. But in the desert I haven't seen Gaz 69 better than yours ...

Maybe, after all, Land Rovers? Episode 1-3? And then, Reinji is somehow expensive, tea, Algeria is still not Loans or the UAE ...
But the general idea is clear.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

I remember how it was written ...

[lucul]

Maybe, after all, Land Rovers? Episode 1-3?

Let me remind you that the UAZA is intended for following in a tank column and for transporting ammunition.
Can a lot of SUVs follow in a tank column? ))))

[Dude]

Quote: lucul

Maybe, after all, Land Rovers? Episode 1-3?

Let me remind you that the UAZA is intended for following in a tank column and for transporting ammunition.
Can a lot of SUVs follow in a tank column? ))))

First, what does the UAZ have to do with it?
Secondly, I did not compare the capabilities of Soviet and British SUVs, I just specified which cars were in the described case.

[Murmur 55]

I don’t understand what the “problem” is for Ukraine ?! Wanted SUV buy Toyota and that's it. This is not the USSR-Russia either, it falls into NATO standards, a party of several hundred such powers as Ukraine doesn’t spit, they are not threatened with sanctions, because no another miracle to pile hottyut, there was already a machine gun, a snipe. rifle, machine gun, tank, MLRS, anti-ship missiles. Only in practice it turned out to be either unnecessary trash, or there is no BABLA, or nothing happened. So they run around with Kalash, ride BMPs, armored personnel carriers, UAZ, URAL, ZIL, 66, fly on Soviet-Russian planes, the Navy generally laughs through tears. But GONORU like Britain is at its peak.

[lucul]

Wanted SUV buy Toyota and that's it.

The way the technicians serve the UAZ - no Toyota can stand it.

[xorek]

Oise klyatykh, and probably jarring .. And where Hamers then? Something I have not seen a single one in the photo or video .. Or bought a used one and then broke down .. And the s / h are expensive)))
Eh svidomye!

[Black lotos]

Quote: xorek

UAZ damned, and probably jarring

Meehan is a hundred years old at lunchtime, but without spare parts ... Cannibalism will quickly finish them off.
Gift Hamers are similar only newer.
Yes, and not so densely, they supply, that's infa for 2019

As part of the provision of material and technical assistance from the United States and other partners, more than 400 units of the main types of weapons and military equipment and more than 9500 other devices and equipment were delivered to military units "

And if until 2015 about 100 Hamers were put into the army, then by 2021 their number is up to five hundred. And without a repair base. Local Kulibins are repairing both UAZ and Hamer. This is the last delivery of 20 Hamers.
Yes, and constantly something is purchased for them

The Ukrainian Armed Forces signed contracts for the purchase of 158 sets of automobile tires for Hummer cars, the price in Ukraine is about 1000 USD / set.

As far as the UAZs are concerned, until 2010 they were even purchased in RF. The part was mobilized from private traders. County inheritance. Old and without spare parts. UAZ-469 and UAZ-3151
They've set up a zoo ... they want a unified, single platform.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

It’s you guys who didn’t see all this alive. Brazzaville 1976-1978, Poto-Poto rear base. The frontal fence is made of KRAZOV, and inside our equipment is the sea. Come with the keys and look for what you need ... Even the French armored train was ...

[xorek]

A good UAZ car still was and can be eaten .. Cheap, unpretentious, repairable .. Now we have made these jeeps of different brands, expensive, outwardly beautiful .. But just as soon as everything to write off .. And again on foot.

[TOR2]

If we remove the show-off, then the basis for all real SUVs is approximately the same. The question is the quality of the metal and its processing + the quality of the rubber bands. Of course, the information component also plays an important role. UAZ is the leader in terms of the number of outright ersi in the network. For the most part, they write "scribes" who did not come close to this car and did not go further than a solid dirt road.

[xorek]

Quote: TOR2

For the most part, they write "scribes" who did not come close to this car and did not go further than a solid dirt road.

I went and know a little what and how and not on new ones ..

[Revolver]

And in the end they will buy Geliki for the entire allocated amount. Not that much, but enough for the chief executives. And you will not dig - they correspond to the NATO standard.

[xorek]

Quote: Nagan

And in the end they will buy Geliki for the entire allocated amount. Not that much, but enough for the chief executives. And you will not dig - they correspond to the NATO standard.

Again, second-hand .. Yes, even if they ride horses, I won't be surprised
They won't last long anyway.

[Okolotochny]

Well, that's what the dispute was about in the last article - to buy expensive Toyota one, expensive consumables the second, expensive maintenance (spare parts) the third.

[Drugov]

Ah, that sweet word is saw cut. Everyone is ready to "promise them whatever they want", and then play with the tender portfolio into the territory of visa-free travel.

[MilExDe]

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[MilExDe]

But how they paint!)