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Egypt's Rafale fighters cost $ 70 million less than India

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Egypt's Rafale fighters cost $ 70 million less than India

The Egyptian Ministry of Defense announces the signing of a contract with France for the supply of a new batch of Rafale fighters. Reports say that the contract provides for the supply of 30 French-made Raphales for the needs of the Egyptian Air Force. The cost of implementing the contract is also named. That's $ 4,5 billion.


Egyptian Ministry of Defense:

The deal will be financed by a 10-year loan.

Based on the parameters of the Egyptian-French contract, we can conclude that each of the French fighters purchased by Cairo will cost the Treasury $ 150 million. This is about $ 70 million cheaper than the same Rafale fighters for India. And this despite the fact that the cost of the contract, as well as in the case of India, includes weapons and additional training of flight and technical personnel.

At the same time, $ 150 million for a 4th generation fighter is more than an impressive amount, especially if we proceed from the fact that, for example, the American fifth generation F-35 fighter at the moment already costs significantly less (albeit without taking into account the necessary updates onboard software).

The Egyptian press indicates that the country is improving its military Aviation... Columnist Mohamed Samir recalls that in 2018 Cairo and Moscow signed an agreement for the supply of Russian-made fighters. The Su-35 and MiG-35 aircraft are mentioned. At the same time, the Egyptian media note that Russian fighters of the 4 ++ generation cost the country's budget much cheaper than the French Rafali.

At the same time, attention is drawn to the significant difference in the price of Rafale for different buyers. For Cairo and New Delhi, this difference is equal to the price of a modern fighter jet. This gives the experts a reason to say that this kind of "spread" of prices may be associated not with the technical parameters of the aircraft themselves, but with a corruption component.
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    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 08: 44
      +14
      Quote: Cowbra
      And for the Indians - the extra charge for inviting a compulsory dancer, and the cost of bribes.
      In other words, fools are beaten in the altar

      After all, the contract consists not only of the cost of purchasing equipment, but also of the cost of its maintenance and repair. There is a lot that can be added to the contract. Nobody says that there are no "kickbacks", but it is stupid to write off the difference in prices only on "kickbacks".
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 4 May 2021 08: 46
        +1
        What needs to be written into the contract so that the price of the 4th generation aircraft is higher than that of the F-35 to the Arabs - with training and weapons included. So no options - purely Hindu theft
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 4 May 2021 08: 56
          +3
          So no options - purely Hindu theft
          Indians also wanted localization. True, the French refused. But the price was taken as for her as well.
          Probably for the difference, dashboards and software will be translated into Hindi wassat
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 4 May 2021 09: 01
            +11
            Joke remembered.
            The man took his car from repair. Reads the bill
            - And what is it - "Rolled - 10"?
            - What, didn’t work? Cross out.
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 4 May 2021 10: 36
              +3
              Quote: Shurik70
              What didn't work?

              This is about the Arjun tank)))
              1. NIKN
                NIKN 4 May 2021 11: 48
                +7
                Another puzzled me. The French manage to sell their equipment on the market, and even more expensive than the publicized F35, and it turns out not badly. And at the same time they do not receive any opposition from the United States.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 4 May 2021 12: 14
                  +3
                  Another puzzled me. The French manage to sell their equipment on the market, and even more expensive than the publicized F35, and it turns out not badly. And at the same time they do not receive any opposition from the United States.

                  Here we are ahead of the rest of the world.
                  China has not yet met with opposition either. Until.
                  As for the favorable price for Egypt, it is likely that Marcon has gone to great lengths.
                  He does not know how to forgive Al Si Si for criticizing him with human rights. bully
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 4 May 2021 09: 59
          +1
          Spare engines.
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 4 May 2021 10: 14
          +3
          Firstly, the F-35 has not been sold to the Arabs yet, you have not read it carefully.
          What can you write? Anything - Simulators, flight and technical personnel training, weapons, spare parts like engines, long-term service, as already mentioned.
        4. Barberry25
          Barberry25 4 May 2021 16: 13
          +1
          Well, in the F-35 there is a suspicion that the price has been a little muddled ... and there has grown "accompanying content" ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 4 May 2021 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      the surcharge for inviting a compulsory dancer, and the cost of bribes.

      I'm wondering if Macron offered these planes to Ze, in person, and if yes, then at what price?
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 4 May 2021 22: 52
        0
        Quote: svp67

        I'm wondering if Macron offered these planes to Ze, in person, and if yes, then at what price?
        Offered ...
        But, Zelensky agreed to buy Rafali only after Ukraine joined the EU ...
        wassat
  2. knn54
    knn54 4 May 2021 08: 34
    +4
    UAE Air Force tanker and fighter escort services.
  3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 May 2021 08: 35
    +10
    At the same time, $ 150 million for a 4th generation fighter is more than an impressive amount, especially if we proceed from the fact that, for example, the American fifth generation F-35 fighter at the moment already costs significantly less

    The author again confuses the contract cost, which, in addition to the aircraft itself, includes pilot training, spare parts, often maintenance, and sometimes weapons, with the cost of the aircraft alone.
    For example, the US State Department approved the sale of 50 F-35 fighters to the United Arab Emirates at a cost of 10,4 billion, or approximately $ 208 million per plane. But Poland signed a contract for 4,6 billion for 32 F-35s ($ 143,75 million) but it does not include weapons
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 4 May 2021 09: 35
      +8
      The author also confused the currency, from euros to dollars. And so the first contract for 24 aircraft is practically equal to the Indian one.

      In February 2015, Egypt signed a contract to purchase 24 Rafale fighters from France. The amount of the deal, according to French sources, was about € 5,2 billion.


      $ 195 million (€ 161 million) F35A / B kit Finland
      $ 208M (€ 165M) F35 A / B kit UAE
      $ 144 million (€ 119 million) F35A kit Poland
      $ 240 million (€ 219 million) set by Rafali India (2016)
      $ 289 million (€ 262 million) Rafali Qatar kit (2015)
      $ 239 million (€ 217 million) set by Raphali Egypt (2015)
      $ 273 million (£ 199 million / € 225 million) Typhoon Qatar kit
      1. Liam
        Liam 4 May 2021 23: 13
        +1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        And so the first contract for 24 aircraft is almost equal to the Indian

        And this is normal. In the first contract (both Egypt and India) there are many components on which you do not need to spend money during subsequent purchases and the price drops - simulators, retraining of pilots, technicians, restructuring of infrastructure and logistics for a new type of aircraft, etc., etc.
  4. Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev 4 May 2021 08: 40
    -2
    Our Drying 35 cost Egypt 100 million. Why and Drying and "Raphael"? Are they pushing us away insolently?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 May 2021 08: 50
      +5
      Diversification. In order not to be hit by sanctions. Rafali on credit for 10 years.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 4 May 2021 08: 58
        +1
        Diversification. In order not to be hit by sanctions.
        Yeah. Diversification of operational logistics. That is, a "zoo" and a butt-pain for the suppliers.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 4 May 2021 09: 11
          +7
          They have Mirages for a long time.


          In general, if you look towards the zoo, then for the Egyptian Air Force, a foreign body is more likely a MiG and Su. They have a backbone of one and a half hundred F-16s, on top of two dozen Mirages.


          Plus already 23 (one broke) Rafal bought about Olanda.


          The last serial Soviet-Russian type before the Sisi contracts was the MiG-21. The last survivors have now been donated to Haftar; they can be easily distinguished by their unusual coloring, after the Egyptian model.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 4 May 2021 10: 26
            -1
            In general, if you look towards the zoo, then for the Egyptian Air Force, a foreign body is more likely a MiG and Su.
            This is already the tenth case. The main thing is the number of dissimilar models without unification. They follow in the footsteps of the Hindus in this matter.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 4 May 2021 10: 04
        +4
        To be able to use modern Western weapons. They have more nomenclature than ours. And they have a stock of such weapons.
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 4 May 2021 10: 02
      +5
      Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
      Why both Sushki and Raphael?

      It is not known whether there is a contract for the supply of the Su-35 and MiG-35. It doesn't seem to have grown together.

      Eurofighter and Rafal are the best 4 generation air superiority fighters. Advanced avionics and missiles, non-afterburner cruising supersonic with weapons, minimum for 4ok EPR. Only Grippen can boast of this, but it is still "smallish". Better only 5th generation, but only the F-35 is on sale. They are not sold to everyone, and the queue is up to 27-28 years.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 4 May 2021 08: 46
    0
    And the Egyptians fell for this bait? How can you buy a 4th generation aircraft, more expensive than a 5th generation aircraft .............. there is no explanation except for bribes
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 5 May 2021 00: 03
      0
      Rafali is not so naked, the contract definitely contains training for pilots and technicians, some simulators, spare engines and weapons. All this costs a lot of money.

      And 80-90 million dollars for the F-35 are asked for a naked fighter. If you add the same thing to it, it will be even more expensive.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 5 May 2021 08: 01
        0
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Rafali is not so naked, the contract definitely contains training for pilots and technicians, some simulators, spare engines and weapons. All this costs a lot of money.

        Well, yes, but if you compare with ours, then they generally sell only wings
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 5 May 2021 12: 21
          0
          Our Su-35 cost China more than $ 100 million apiece, and India's Su-30 went for $ 80 million in 2012, and this is about a huge series for them.

          So, that is not much of a difference with Western counterparts.
  6. URAL72
    URAL72 4 May 2021 08: 48
    0
    Why did India even buy such an expensive car that even BrahMos won't take? Because of AFAR? So they have long discussed with Russia the modernization of the Su-30, besides, it has a lot of non-Russian components. We could also add AFAR with our help, of course with the assistance of a radar supplier, because there is software ... Such a variety of types in our time will cost them dearly, now they cannot make details with a file. This is a very dark matter, I suspect that the Franks have sold them some technology. Remember the story of Israel's theft of the Mirage blueprints - I think it was a deal through the secret services of both countries. And the secret sale of documentation on Lavi to the Chinese? No, cunning gypsies cannot be so stupid. Something we do not know.
  7. Sined
    Sined 4 May 2021 08: 48
    +5
    It is difficult to judge by prices. We will not be shown the check where the prices for "naked aircraft", weapons, spare parts, training of pilots and maintenance personnel are listed. Etc. In addition, there are other subtleties. Maybe Cairo promised Paris something in return for a discount? How do we know. Therefore, it is not entirely correct to compare contract prices.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 4 May 2021 10: 21
      +1
      Quote: Sined
      Maybe Cairo promised Paris something in return for a discount?

      Loyalty to France in the fight for Africa, as opposed to the Turkish-British Union.
      The prices in the article are clearly wrong.
  8. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 4 May 2021 08: 54
    +10
    Judging by this contract, the issue of the purchase of Su-35 aircraft by Egypt has been "closed" ...
    "Hard" contracts - suddenly become "gaseous", to put it mildly.
    Indonesia, Egypt.

    And the price of the contract - so I have said many times that in our coordinate system aircraft, spare parts, maintenance, training of pilots - everything goes by different contracts.

    In the Western system, everything that is needed is included in the contract:
    Airplanes are needed - there will be only airplanes.
    We need planes with spare engines - it will be so.
    Aircraft with pilot training, BAO, equipment, weapons, spare engines, oils and technical fluids, etc.
    The contract may even indicate those parts and spare parts that the manufacturer is obliged to keep in their warehouses for the entire life of the aircraft.
    The contract may even take into account the technological equipment of oil refining for the high-quality production of JP-8 fuel in accordance with the manufacturer's standards ...
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 4 May 2021 20: 47
      +2
      The contract may even indicate those parts and spare parts that the manufacturer is obliged to keep in their warehouses for the entire life of the aircraft.


      Absolutely right. In our contract for the F16, in addition to everything you have described, there is also the preparation of two aerodromes, equipment for one military one, support and maintenance of the aircraft for 3 or 5 years (I don’t remember exactly), equipment for repairs.

      So you are very right - all contracts are different and at the same price it is impossible to judge the cost of a naked plane. The author of the article probably wrote so far in the magazine of female beauty and is not aware of these facts.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 4 May 2021 09: 05
    -1
    Egypt's Rafale fighters cost $ 70 million less than India
    ... For such grandmothers, why did they additionally put on that fighter ??? Second tail, what else is super necessary?
    1. Esaul
      Esaul 4 May 2021 09: 10
      -2
      The sacred cow compartment was installed as the main defense against missiles.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 May 2021 09: 24
        -1
        Their Indian cows do not differ in great size, but still, the carcass is decent.
  10. Esaul
    Esaul 4 May 2021 09: 07
    0
    And now the price of the rollback has become known
  11. Artemion3
    Artemion3 4 May 2021 09: 12
    -1
    Why the hell would they have these rafali at the price of an F-35 and on credit, they would have taken something from us
  12. Fedorov Ivan
    Fedorov Ivan 4 May 2021 09: 26
    +1
    Egypt's Rafale fighters cost $ 70 million less than India
    laughing
    This is normal. Egypt is a more modest country, and India has a lot of holidays, dances and songs - hence the extra charge laughing
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 4 May 2021 09: 45
      0
      Egypt is going to fight with someone again?
      1. Fedorov Ivan
        Fedorov Ivan 4 May 2021 09: 49
        0
        Ask "incomprehensible" questions in personal correspondence or - do not ask.
      2. avib
        avib 4 May 2021 10: 10
        +2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        Egypt is going to fight with someone again?

        With Ethiopia for water.
  13. bar
    bar 4 May 2021 09: 45
    -1
    Egypt's Rafale fighters cost $ 70 million less than India

    Corrupt mark-up for bribing dancers.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 5 May 2021 16: 24
      0
      Quote: bar
      Corrupt mark-up for bribing dancers.

      Sorry, but bribes are usually given behind the scenes, rather than prescribed in contracts
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 May 2021 09: 45
    0
    So the Indians wanted to make in India. Maybe this is a payment for localization or a license for the release ... ... their Su30MKI is more expensive than our production.
  15. Synoid
    Synoid 4 May 2021 11: 13
    -3
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Quote: Konstantin Gogolev
    Why both Sushki and Raphael?

    It is not known whether there is a contract for the supply of the Su-35 and MiG-35. It doesn't seem to have grown together.

    Eurofighter and Rafal are the best 4 generation air superiority fighters. Advanced avionics and missiles, non-afterburner cruising supersonic with weapons, minimum for 4ok EPR. Only Grippen can boast of this, but it is still "smallish". Better only 5th generation, but only the F-35 is on sale. They are not sold to everyone, and the queue is up to 27-28 years.

    And what and when did they conquer? bombing peaceful cities and pickup trucks - yes. That's when they will converge even with the Su-30 in battle, then we'll see, until they have shown themselves in any way.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 May 2021 09: 03
      0
      Until Rafal wins. He has the best Radar and missiles ... Mosle bringing Su30 to the level of Su35S - let's see, but:
      1. Hindus should want to upgrade their Su30MKI
      2. Buy new Su30MKI (Super Dry)
      3. By that time, Rafal will not stand still.
      4. The question remains with the new missiles in-in for the Sukhikh ...
  16. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 4 May 2021 13: 46
    0
    So delivery to Egypt is cheaper than to India. In Sharm and Goa, tickets also cost differently.
  17. yehat2
    yehat2 4 May 2021 14: 21
    0
    There is no need to compare Egypt and India. Egypt has a large and complex cooperation with the French, unlike India, in addition, Egypt is not trying to take technology and produce something from itself.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 May 2021 09: 03
      -2
      Abramsyy produces
  18. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 4 May 2021 16: 27
    0
    So what? Even the market is traded. Civil aircraft are regularly sold for half the price of the list price.
    Smart Chinese in the early 2000s, in order to seize the market and move competitors, supplied telecom equipment to Russia for state structures, subject to the start of payment 10 years after commissioning. To get caught in the arms market segment is already a victory. And an airplane in 35-40 years will need a lot of spare parts and expensive maintenance
  19. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 4 May 2021 17: 10
    0
    Price excluding 10 year loan? I'm afraid the banksters won't miss out on their benefits. Never.
  20. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 May 2021 18: 04
    0
    Quote: abrakadabre
    Software will be translated into Hindi

    They have heaps of localizers of their own.
    When new Boeings began to fall from heaven, it turned out that Indian students-programmers were outsourced there in order to save money. They messed up with software. And a few years before that, Boeing broke through the law on its own certification of airplanes (previously it was a purely state matter).
    Fly Boeing planes!
    Respect for the French, so they cheated the terry hucksters.
  21. Xlor
    Xlor 5 May 2021 18: 08
    0
    With such a developed air defense, why are fighters needed at all? wink
  22. Synoid
    Synoid 6 May 2021 03: 52
    -1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Until Rafal wins. He has the best Radar and missiles ... Mosle bringing Su30 to the level of Su35S - let's see, but:
    1. Hindus should want to upgrade their Su30MKI
    2. Buy new Su30MKI (Super Dry)
    3. By that time, Rafal will not stand still.
    4. The question remains with the new missiles in-in for the Sukhikh ...

    Purely hypothetically, according to an amateur, is it simple he thinks so?
    In the last Indo-Pakistani, Sushka dropped the F16, and in the exercises with the United States, the Indians fought the latter.
    so these are your wet dreams, not unreasonable.