Another experienced Browning

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Receiver with an open bolt of the experimental rifle of John Browning 1895

“Even if you bring nine pregnant women together, the baby will still not be born in a month. The idea must mature! "
("Dead Season")

Weapon and firms. В stories the tough competition into which, against their will, the largest American arms manufacturers Colt and Winchester were drawn, was, surprisingly, a considerable fault of the talented designers of that time. Ideas were flying in the air. They picked them up on the fly and immediately embodied them in patents and in metal. At the same time, each tried to bypass the patents of the other, and firms - to buy cheaper and sell more expensive.

In these conditions, branded marketing, that is, market research, was of particular importance. But at that time, scientific methods of studying consumer sympathies were still in their infancy, and a lot depended on the personal qualities of a particular leader. He managed to foresee what the market would need in a year, managed during this time the designer to create the desired sample - and the company broke the bank. The same Browning managed to present a new rifle after two weeks of work. But he was not alone. And besides, he could not work for two companies at the same time. As a result, a number of his developments remained at the level of experimental images, although in themselves they were very good. And today we will tell you about one such rifle of his ...



By 1895, the Winchester company began to realize the need for a significant renewal of the range and the creation of new samples. In 1882, William Mason began work on one of them (US Patent No. 278987) to counter the Colt rifle and push it out of the market. Then in response, in 1890, Winchester introduced the John Browning .22 caliber pump-action rifle. And the model of 1890 - the famous "gallery gun", became extremely popular as a result.

And it should be noted that Browning will like the pump-action recharge mechanism. Well, in total, between 1887 and 1895, Browning patented four rifles at once with bolts of various designs, which also differed in the reloading system. Three years later, Winchester introduced the M1893 pump-action shotgun, which eventually evolved into the famous Model 1897, with over a million pieces produced. But he worked at the same time on other designs.


Fore-end pad, connected by a rod with a bolt

So, in April 1895, Browning filed a patent for a rifle caliber rifle (.30). And in September 1895 he received a US patent No. 545672 for it. And this was also a "pump", but only a completely unusual pump. Winchester christened her the musket. Well, this name was considered the best there.

And then, without delay, in the same September 1895, Winchester bought a patent for this rifle from John Browning. But, like many of his other designs, she did not release it. That is, it was bought with one single purpose: to prevent all other firms from using the principle of operation laid down in it. Moreover, apparently, having a weakness for rifles with a lever mechanism, or perhaps, considering them a brand of the company, released another rifle. Also 1895: our famous "Russian Winchester". But patented a little later - in November 1895 (US patent No. 549345).

Meanwhile, if we compare both models, then, perhaps, the "September patent" will be more perfect than the "November" one, and certainly faster - no doubt about it.


View of the receiver of the Browning rifle on the left

In a pump-action rifle from September 1895, the bolt was locked by means of a skewed bolt. But outwardly, the prototype, made in Browning's tool shop, was even somewhat similar to the M1895 Winchester. In any case, they have very similar receivers with a box magazine integrated into them. And the whole difference lies in the fact that the shutter in it was twitched not by a lever, but with the help of a clutch sliding around the forend, connected to the shutter by a rather long rod. It was unusual, but it was convenient.

The bolt rod connects the bolt inside the bolt carrier closed from above on the right side of the rifle. The bolt handle itself is made of a U-shaped stamped metal sheet that wraps around the rifle's forend. Coarse shading has been applied to improve grip. The stem only very slightly extends beyond the dimensions of the receiver. So such a device does not deliver any inconvenience to the user of the rifle.


And this is how it looked on the diagram from the patent. Browning Patent, September 1895 (US Patent Office)

Interestingly, Browning designed this prototype in such a way that the rifle magazine could be loaded from below, rather than through the top of the receiver. He added a hinged magazine lid with "ears" for the fingers for easy opening, and a spring-loaded pusher that, when the lid was open, allowed cartridges to be inserted into the magazine and then closed.


Sectional receiver. The cartridge feeder lever and their guides are clearly visible

When we open the store and flip the lid down, we see how the holder goes down to allow charging. Thus, the rifle can be loaded with the bolt closed. Conveniently, the receiver is very well sheltered from debris and dirt. Another thing is that it would not be very convenient to load a combat rifle in this way. Although the French were loading their Lebel rifle, inserting cartridges into it one at a time? And they charged her for a long time.

In the patent description, Browning explained that his goal was to improve the breech box magazine firearms by developing:

“… A simple, compact, robust, highly efficient and safe shotgun, made up of relatively few parts and designed with particular emphasis on the ability to load the box magazine with cartridges from the bottom of the frame by hand, while the bolt is in the closed position, so that the shooter can be loaded without activating the entire mechanism of the rifle or without removing the cartridge from the barrel of the rifle, if any. "


Details of the rifle magazine for the September 1895 patent

In the original drawings of the patent, we can see a flat spring acting on a holder running under the barrel in front of the magazine. Inside the magazine is a pair of so-called "spring fingers" that act on the cartridges inside the magazine and hold them in the correct position, as shown in Figure 7 of the patent. In Figure 8, we can see what Browning calls a "box guide" that guides the cartridges "preventing them from shifting when feeding upward."

The rifle bolt is fixed in a recess on the left side of the receiver, tilts at an angle, while the rear part of the bolt slides to the left. When the pump handle is retracted, the bolt is unlocked, the empty cartridge case is removed and ejected, and when the bolt returns forward, a new cartridge is fed from the magazine, the bolt is locked again, and the rifle is ready to fire. The hammer of the rifle is cocked by moving the bolt back.


View of a rifle with an open magazine

Externally, the receiver is similar to the receiver of the production model 1895, but internally they are very different. The breech is certainly very well covered, unlike the 1895, but the skew-locking mechanism is considered less reliable. In addition, the bolt action rifle lacks a safety mechanism that prevents accidental opening of the bolt.


This diagram clearly shows how, by means of the skew of the bolt, the bore is locked and the sleeve is extracted.

Technically, the prototype of this rifle was definitely simpler and had fewer working parts than the linkage of the Model 1895.

Winchester bought this design for .30 caliber rifle cartridges, but never made it. But there is a prototype that was made to confirm the functionality of this design. It was part of the Winchester collection and can now be seen at the Cody Firearms Museum.

PS


The author and administration of the site would like to thank Matthew Moss, head of the site "The Armourer's Bench", for permission to use his materials and photographs.
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  1. +12
    7 June 2021 05: 55
    ! yazurd, ortu eorboD
    Everything is as usual with us.

    Good morning friends!
    Thanks to Vyacheslav for a new interesting article. I read and am convinced once again how talented and efficient John Moses Browning was. Truly a Great Inventor with a Capital Letter.!
    1. +10
      7 June 2021 06: 05
      Winchester M1895, suddenly someone forgot what it looks like (which I doubt very much) smile

      A pack of training cartridges 7,62x54R for the "Russian Winchester" model.
    2. +13
      7 June 2021 06: 12
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Great inventor with a capital letter

      That's right, you know who he immediately reminded me of with this
      “… A simple, compact, robust, high performance and safe shotgun
      That's it!
      "Making something simple is sometimes many times more difficult than making it difficult."
      Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov!
      1. +14
        7 June 2021 07: 19
        That's right, you know who he immediately reminded me of with this
        “… A simple, compact, robust, high performance and safe shotgun
        That's it!

        With regard to weapons - I agree.
        But the figures are still of different scales. Browning is a talented inventor, a pioneer, one might say, and Kalashnikov is a self-taught nugget and in his design he successfully compiled technical solutions embodied in metal even before he stood at the drawing board.
        (by no means I mean Stg).
        1. +10
          7 June 2021 07: 32
          Yes, Constantine. Children also build pyramids from cubes in different ways. My granddaughter never managed to build a pyramid higher than mine, it always fell apart.
      2. +12
        7 June 2021 07: 28
        I read the 3rd "Pravda" in the archive for 1949. There are portraits of the Stalin Prize laureates. And suddenly I see among the many faces - senior sergeant (!) M.T. Kalashnikov - in the photo, young and very handsome. For which the prize is not said ...
        1. +12
          7 June 2021 07: 45
          For which the prize is not said ...

          He was a classified comrade. bully By the way, the first film where AK was shown for the first time, in my opinion, was "Maxim Perepelitsa" 1955. with young Leonid Bykov.

          A famous quote from the film at one time: "He quit smoking and died ... No, it seems he first died, and then quit smoking." (C)
          1. +10
            7 June 2021 08: 53
            There was a full platoon set. AK, SKS, RPD. And also served as T-34-85, IS-2.
            But Ivan Brovkin and the crew of the M-30 howitzer, which he was part of, was armed with a carbine model 1944.
            1. +11
              7 June 2021 09: 16
              There was a full platoon set.

              Let me add, Alexey - and the Mi-4 helicopter is shown for the first time. Yes
            2. +7
              7 June 2021 09: 22
              I saw the T-34/85 back in the late sixties. A company of these vehicles was brought in for the UR and they were waiting for their mechanics in our tank fleet. Some even had captured German barrels with the inscription Wehrmacht 42.
              1. +11
                7 June 2021 09: 42
                And I found T = 34-85 in 1984. They were used in the filming of films about the Patriotic War, which were regularly filmed by the Odessa Film Studio, and we provided extras. There was no need to make up the mechvod. He was already head over heels in fuel oil.
                1. +7
                  7 June 2021 09: 54
                  So we really drove them to the war, I meant that. And in Mosfilm Park they are still on the move.
                  1. +6
                    7 June 2021 10: 14
                    So we really drove them to the war, I meant that.

                    EMNIP, you were then buried in Ussuri and IS-2 as firing points.
                    1. +7
                      7 June 2021 11: 05
                      The IS-3s were also driven in echelons, stood on the platform in Birobidzhan, when the long train with the IS-3 was driven through the city, the caterpillars were all red from rust, and the armor was all in a sort of funny light green paint and ... not a single sentry on the platforms.
                      1. +4
                        7 June 2021 13: 09
                        The IS-3s were also driven in echelons.

                        Have you started replacing the BTR-40 with more modern vehicles then? I read that they were officially written off in 1993.
                      2. +5
                        7 June 2021 13: 18
                        No, they didn’t replace the BTR-40, we had communication machines and at the same time vehicles of the battalion headquarters. The regiment commander drove the BTR-50.
                      3. +2
                        8 June 2021 09: 30
                        The regiment commander drove the BTR-50.

                        By the way, I lied on the blue eye. Described. In "Maxim Perepelitsa" for the first time not the Mi-4 is shown, but the Mi-1.
                    2. +2
                      7 June 2021 21: 15
                      As in Sakhalin, until now
            3. +5
              7 June 2021 11: 17
              There were competent military consultants there. Now there are no consultants in the films and hello blooper. Although in the films of that time there were also bloopers and big
          2. +7
            7 June 2021 09: 30
            As indicated in one of the films about the post-military small arms of the Soviet Army, SKS carbines were issued to more accurate shooters (the first AK models did not completely satisfy the military in terms of accuracy). And it turns out that Private Taskirov (armed with SKS) was more accurate than Maxim Perepelitsa. soldier
            1. +4
              7 June 2021 09: 50
              ... Private Taskirov (armed with SKS) was more accurate than Maxim Perepelitsa. soldier

              No, he just didn't have enough Kalash, Maxim took the last one out from under his nose during the distribution.laughing
              1. +5
                7 June 2021 09: 51
                "Ukrainian" after all ... Salo does not need to be examined. Lard must be eaten! And bananas are dumb! good
              2. +4
                7 June 2021 09: 54
                And the main thing for the lads is not to forget about the harmelon ... crying
                1. +5
                  7 June 2021 11: 23
                  Aleksey, not everyone knows the meaning of the harmelon. Read "Perepelitsa".
                  True, this is already in the past.
                  1. +3
                    7 June 2021 11: 39
                    The main thing is to know that seeds are very useful for the male sex !!! feel
                    Only they are not very easy to gnaw at the infection, but the cleaned ones stand am !
                    And most importantly - Peaceful Sky over the Head !!! hi
              3. +2
                7 June 2021 19: 37
                He is such that he will "take away" two.
                In our village there was a man who "took a sedative" and began to quote from the film. Everyone called him "Perepelitsa". When I was young, I read a book, and I watched the film later.
                PS. I read Stadnyuk and he claims that "Brovkin" was ripped off from his Maxim. His story: "Perepelitsa" was often broadcast on the radio and Mdivani used the plot.
                1. +2
                  8 June 2021 10: 01
                  “Brovkin” is still secondary, and not as interesting and good as “Maxim”, albeit a color one. smile

                  Ivan Stadnyuk, the author of the script for the film "Maxim Perepelitsa", openly accused the creators of "Ivan Brovkin" of plagiarism [1]:
                  ... two twin films were born: black and white Maxim and color Ivan. With almost the same plot, the same collisions, the arrangement of the characters. Everyone knew that the truth was on my side, that "Maxim Perepelitsa" was staged according to my book of the same name, which was published four years ago ... I could not remain silent, and I wrote a letter to Pravda. Mdivani, as I recall, ran into trouble along the party line and in the section of screenwriters. After some time, he called me at home and asked for forgiveness ...

                  - Ivan Stadnyuk
                  1. +1
                    8 June 2021 13: 46
                    I agree: "Brovkin" is weaker, and "Brovkin on virgin soil" is a complete Golimut.
                    If I am not mistaken, "Brovkin" came out earlier. In my opinion: "Mosfilm"?
                    1. 0
                      8 June 2021 13: 56
                      They both came out in 1955, but I don’t know who was earlier. "Brovkin" was originally colored, and "Maxim" was painted later.
                      1. +1
                        8 June 2021 19: 13
                        I have not seen a painted "Maxim". The "painted" Stirlitz somehow didn't "go" to me, but my nephew liked it. A front-line soldier lived in our street, the driver of T-34 85. Baldel from the painted "Stirlitz" and wanted to live when the "tankers" were painted. He respected: "on horseback as in war", and he called "tankers" a fairy tale, but willingly watched some episodes. What exactly? His granddaughter bought a Vidic and he watched
                      2. +1
                        8 June 2021 19: 16
                        "War as in War" is one of the best films about this war, I can only compare with it "The Chronicle of a Dive Bomber".
                        And what kind of "Tankists", three Poles, a Georgian and a dog?
                      3. +1
                        9 June 2021 17: 46
                        They are the most. High school students said: "4 dogs and a Pole"
    3. +6
      7 June 2021 06: 37
      Good morning. How simple and how difficult at the same time. Water, and there are not many details, but it was necessary to think better of how to arrange them!
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Morning is set!
      1. +7
        7 June 2021 07: 30
        Someone was promised an article about Nagant. I have already forgotten who. But she is ready ... and not even one. TWO!
        1. +12
          7 June 2021 07: 35
          Their two brothers were - each on the article. smile
        2. +5
          7 June 2021 07: 38
          We are waiting, we are waiting ...)))
        3. +1
          7 June 2021 13: 09
          Q. Oh, they've been waiting for Nagant since winter, but I'm not offended: I've read so many interesting things.
          And after Nagan, what are your plans? Something delicious hotts
          1. +4
            7 June 2021 14: 42
            Svyatoslav! The theme of armor will be continued with all the details, including the technology of forging with drawings. The theme of "weapons and firms", "Russians and Egypt" will be continued, the theme of the Battle of Austerlitz will be completed - it is not completed. There will be 2 more articles. A big topic will be started about one war that everyone is talking about, but for sure few people know what. There will be 2 articles about homemade products, there will be material on clothes Wed. centuries - this is Astra for joy. The theme of "revolver", by the way, will also be continued: there will be materials about his peers. Yes, there will be interesting material with photographs of Zhanna and Andrei who traveled to Mexico ... There will be an "anti-Soviet" article about the Pravda newspaper from 1949-50. So there will be materials for every taste ...
            1. +3
              7 June 2021 15: 54
              Greetings, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
              As an illustration to an article about * Truth * would not it fit?
              wink hi
              1. +2
                7 June 2021 15: 54
                Thank you! But there is a different leitmotif!
            2. 0
              8 June 2021 06: 15
              For this answer 5
        4. +1
          7 June 2021 15: 48
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, what are your plans, perhaps you need epigraphs? This will not make us more difficult.
          Р
          S
          For women, will there be anything interesting?
          1. +1
            7 June 2021 15: 49
            The epigraph also depends on the mood ...
    4. +4
      7 June 2021 10: 56
      Kostya, hello. With the language removed: Browning was really an inventor with a capital letter.
      Such as it can be counted on the fingers and, probably, 1 hand will be enough
      1. +5
        7 June 2021 11: 09
        Hello, Slava. hi
        I removed from the language:

        Sorry, but here "who got up first - that and the slippers", literally, and I have not gone to bed yet. smile
        That, exactly, such as John Browning is really one.
        1. +6
          7 June 2021 11: 32
          "Do not be afraid, friends, of a man with a gun -
          He himself is so terribly afraid of you!
          He bought a gun so that night and day
          To defend against you with that gun "(c)
          1. +6
            7 June 2021 11: 52
            "You should always be with you
            Known to all Browning John. " smile

            1. +9
              7 June 2021 12: 08
              A man gets on a tram and puts a Browning on his knees, pointing towards his neighbor.
              - Be careful, suddenly it will shoot! - the neighbor got excited.
              -- So what? I will charge again.
              1. +7
                7 June 2021 12: 17
                Luda love When a young man in quarantine in my presence called the muzzle of a machine gun a muzzle, I, excuse me, in the popular expressions of the SA sergeant, simply and intelligibly explained to him where he was blowing. A remark solely due to the fact that we are here on the sly discussing weapons. smile drinks
                1. +5
                  7 June 2021 12: 33
                  In popular terms, how is it? The muzzle of a machine gun into the muzzle of the nose? wassat )))
                  Kostya !!! Jokes - for the people! So as not to think: "The muzzle? I don't see something, I ought to do it," and he will make a sawn-off shot!
                  1. +5
                    7 June 2021 12: 42
                    The muzzle of a machine gun into the muzzle of the nose? wassat)))

                    No comments, education does not allow. request

                    The sawn-off shotgun is a fist weapon, the Italian mafiosi call it "lupara".

                    1. +1
                      7 June 2021 13: 17
                      In fact, Kostya, you are right!
                      After all, what is a muzzle? It is a cylinder with two bases. One of them is called "muzzle". If the pistol is placed with its muzzle towards a neighbor, it is dangerous for the neighbor. If on another basis, it is dangerous for the owner)))
                      1. +6
                        7 June 2021 14: 30

                        Everyone understands in their own way. wink
                    2. +2
                      7 June 2021 15: 41
                      "the sawed-off weapon is a weapon of the fist" I remembered, once I watched the movie: "How the steel was tempered" and there is an episode: the fists were going to shoot at Pavel Korchagin and the older brother taught the younger one "at me, at the father" and they had a sawn-off shot
                    3. 0
                      13 June 2021 12: 35
                      the name itself appeared before the mafia. It came from a shepherd's trimmed fiber (lupus is a wolf). and so as not to carry a heavy and long flintlock or piston.
                  2. +4
                    8 June 2021 08: 45
                    The sawn-off shotgun is a fist weapon, the Italian mafiosi call it "lupara".

                    The Jews were the first in the world to make sawn-off shotguns (c) Yes
                    but they somehow call it differently
                    1. +2
                      8 June 2021 09: 54
                      Dim, what did you mean? If circumcision, then surely they are. laughing
                      1. +2
                        8 June 2021 12: 30
                        Not in the know about circumcision request
                        I'm talking about something else. In 605 BC. King of Babylon Nebuchadnezzar II defeated the Egyptian army at Karkemish on the Euphrates. As a result of this victory, the country of Judea became part of the Babylonian sphere of influence. The son of Josiah, King Joachim was forced to accept the power of Babylon, but three years later he rebelled against his new masters. Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem, expelled Joachim, and the Jews, on pain of death, were forbidden to have weapons. Preparing for a new uprising in 588 BC, in order not to arouse the suspicions of the Babylonians, they began to make sawn-off cuts that did not fall under the ban
                      2. +1
                        8 June 2021 12: 41
                        That is, what did they cut, swords, knives, spears, arrows? And how to fight with these stubs?
                        And why was it necessary at all, did they walk with weapons in the open. All this is somehow strange.
                      3. +3
                        8 June 2021 13: 02
                        Why is it so strange? In the Middle Ages, commoners were also forbidden to carry swords, so rich townspeople began to order daggers in the form of a sword for their status, the so-called. long quilons and long baselards, which, although they belonged to daggers, resembled a reduced copy of a sword.
                        a photo Long dagger baselard of a particularly authoritative citizen from the Wallace collection.

                        The article was not long ago about this
                      4. +3
                        8 June 2021 13: 08
                        There was an article, but I don't remember something about Judea. Yes, and I'm not a specialist in cold weather, Dima. smile
                      5. +2
                        8 June 2021 21: 45
                        The sawn-off shotgun is a fist weapon, the Italian mafiosi call it "lupara".

                        Lupara and I walk in pairs (s) smile
                      6. +2
                        8 June 2021 23: 15
                        Life is like that, otherwise it is impossible. laughing
                      7. +1
                        9 June 2021 02: 00
                        Wawlera64: It is almost impossible to get a smooth muzzle with a file or a hacksaw. But how, at that time, the vintari in the villages were cut without grinders, hacksaws and lathes?

                        The peasants achieved a perpendicular cut of the trunk very simply. The tool for trimming the barrel of a rifle evenly was made from a couple of pieces of wood with holes, one stump of a file (any suitable cutter) and a bow drive (a stick with a rope). We pull-pull, towards ourselves - away from ourselves, the cutting edge is whack-whack. Exactly in a circle, which is typical. Clean, neat, high-quality work. The barrel is the axis around which the "tool" revolves. Bearing wear during lubrication (wood on wood) is negligible. And the chamfer inside the barrel is also perfectly removable. Just reinstalling the "cutter" ...
                        The tree does not scratch the trunk. A circular cut was made, then - you immerse the barrel up to the cut into a barrel and shoot. You chamfer inside the barrel and that's it - the barrel is cut
                        Vidio is on the internet, look
                      8. +3
                        9 June 2021 02: 11
                        modeled on the Sicilian double-barreled lupar

                        Eh, no, dear. stop peasant sawn-off shotguns from the civil war and collectivization are practically not found. Smooth trims began to spread already in the post-war period. Until the 60s-70s, roughly speaking, there were very few of them. During the Civil War, a double-barreled gun was a rare value, but three rubles brought from the front were enough above the roof. Yes
                        PS I don’t know how it is now, but in the late 80s - early 90s, almost every truck driver on the roads of our country had a sawed-off shotgun of a hunting rifle.
                        After which the Saiga era actually began
                      9. +3
                        9 June 2021 04: 49
                        Kostya deliberately rummaged in the internet and found it.
                        Here is the usual Jewish sword Khopish

                        after the so-called of the first uprising of 605 BC, they almost disappear, but Sika daggers converted from them are widely distributed.

                        Richard: but they somehow called them differently, I forgot how

                        I have forgotten that word! recourse Even the Zealot rebels with these knives were called Sicarii. Am I getting old?
                      10. +1
                        9 June 2021 06: 01
                        Khopish ... To be honest, it doesn't look very much like a sword, in my usual perception. request
                      11. +1
                        9 June 2021 06: 44
                        EMNIP, double-edged
            2. +3
              7 June 2021 13: 36
              There will also be an article about his pistols. And I even held the most interesting one in my hands!
              1. +2
                8 June 2021 12: 37
                Could it be Browning 1903 with a long barrel. !!! ???
                How lucky! Today they can be counted in private collections on the fingers of one hand.
                1. +4
                  8 June 2021 13: 28
                  No, Richard, not him. The one who finished off Franz Ferdinand. Not he, of course, the one in the museum, but the same one. Very interesting sensation. But more about that in the article ...
                  1. +2
                    8 June 2021 17: 05
                    Vyacheslav, have you ever contacted the Ministry of Internal Affairs regarding weapons? Once, quite by accident, I was visiting the criminologists of the St. Petersburg Department of Internal Affairs on Liteiny. For many years they have collected an interesting collection of pistols. Each with its own special history and characteristics. Unique finishes, rare production batches, stories about how weapons fell into the hands of experts. Several sample cabinets, naturally in a tidy working order. And most importantly, people are professionals.
                    1. +1
                      8 June 2021 18: 29
                      Quote: balabol
                      Have you ever had any contact with the Ministry of Internal Affairs regarding weapons?

                      Unfortunately no. I only got to ... a search at a collector's place. And I had to explain to them what kind of samples, because the collector himself, of course, was insane. Penza is not Peter. We have an excellent department of small arms at the artillery school and a museum of weapons with it, and I was there. But I did, it doesn't mean I come regularly. It's a pity of course...
                      1. +2
                        9 June 2021 00: 05
                        It was the 2000s, and I'm not at all an expert in firearms. I wanted to hold what I remembered - Colt 1911 and Luger 08. Colt was given to hold chrome, uniquely decorated with mother-of-pearl overlays, came to the collection from one criminal character. Luger was produced before WWI for Serbia. With the inscription Fire in Cyrillic. And also with an interesting criminal fate.
                      2. 0
                        9 June 2021 06: 02
                        Well, Vladimir, but in the article about NAGAN, look at the photo of the Serbian revolver.
                  2. +2
                    8 June 2021 21: 58
                    No, Richard, not him. The one who killed Franz Ferdinand. Not he, of course, the one in the museum, but the same one. Very interesting sensation. But more on that in a future article ...

                    I offer you an epigraph for a future article smile
                    Gavrila was principled
                    Gavrila Browning bought (s)
                    1. +1
                      9 June 2021 06: 02
                      Funny Richard, appreciated!
          2. +1
            7 June 2021 13: 16
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I don't remember where the lines come from
            1. +1
              7 June 2021 13: 22
              Svyatoslav, if you mean a rhyme, then this is folk art. It was written by Miss Olga R.
              1. +1
                7 June 2021 19: 05
                My opinion: it turned out well
  2. +5
    7 June 2021 08: 33
    As a child, I lived in a military town and in our club they often showed films about Indians (Goiko Mitic, etc.), so we played "Indians" in the forest. So I made a winchester for myself with a spring to recharge from below "like in a movie". And there were also a shortage of window latches - these are "bolts" for rifles. Something inspired.
  3. +1
    7 June 2021 14: 25
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich, good afternoon.
    I went to chat and at the same time ask when it will be interesting for us, women?
    1. +3
      7 June 2021 14: 34
      Aster. You know that I write according to my mood. And depending on the material. So that it goes into your own hands. So it's hard for me to say what will interest you. Play Anton out to write about money ... A very interesting topic.
      1. +4
        7 June 2021 15: 12
        About money will not be soon. You need to shovel a bunch of material, translate something from the language of a potential enemy ...
        But there is another idea.
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          7 June 2021 15: 22
          Anton, take an example from Vyacheslav Olegovich - he will work at the dacha, write articles, almost a quote, but I don’t remember from where)))
          1. +4
            7 June 2021 15: 44
            "Will plow the earth, write poetry" (C)
            V. Mayakovsky "Good!"
            1. +1
              7 June 2021 16: 00
              Thank you for reminding!)))
              And since Vyacheslav Olegovich is a historian, his theme is always a deep retro, and that retro in development can be shown only at a certain time interval, which does not climb into the era that we call modernity. And she, modernity, is as follows:
              The M4 carbine outwardly resembles the M16A2, on the basis of which it was made. Initially, it was planned to use it only for arming the crews of combat vehicles, but the assault rifle turned out to be so successful that the entire US army has now switched over to it.

              Who would give a picture - there are such bells and whistles! And most importantly - the optics are raised so that you don't have to bow your head, pressing it into the weapon, and there is almost no recoil.
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                7 June 2021 18: 31
                Lyudmila Yakovlevna, at the beginning, in the first coming, someone said to me "militarist", and you are even cooler.
                I know PSM, PM and nothing else well. I did not see the optics "live". More precisely, I saw optical sights in the store, but weapons with optics were not possible
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                7 June 2021 20: 03
                The M4 carbine outwardly resembles the M16A2, on the basis of which it was made. Initially, it was planned to use it only for arming the crews of combat vehicles, but the assault rifle turned out to be so successful that the entire US army has now switched over to it.

                The entire paragraph is untrue from cover to cover. From the word at all.
                Who would give a picture - there are such bells and whistles!

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                  7 June 2021 20: 15
                  And this is a complete set.
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            7 June 2021 15: 50
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna! To work like this, you have to write since 1977 ...
            1. +4
              7 June 2021 16: 09
              Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich, do I reproach you? I suppose there is simply an epoch-making framework in which you, as a historian, are assigned to act even in the "Armaments" section.
              If you were offended, then there was no intention to offend you. But, be that as it may, I humbly beg your pardon love ))))
              1. +3
                7 June 2021 17: 10
                Quote: depressant
                If you were offended, then there was no intention to offend you.

                What are you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. I had no thoughts of being offended. I just always strive to be as accurate as possible to be understood. It does not always work out ...
                1. +2
                  7 June 2021 17: 41
                  Don't tell me, Vyacheslav Olegovich! I - about the "muzzle", Kostya - about the "muzzle", as a result I blew! wassat ))))
                  1. +4
                    7 June 2021 18: 00
                    But no. Don't blow it. Konstantin proved to be an excellent connoisseur of weapons. And you? And you picked up * a piece * of information for yourself. So both win! Who * blew * shamefully so this is .... everything! Everything! I will not be off topic and sad! bully
                    1. +4
                      7 June 2021 18: 21
                      Seryozha, "You stop it for me! In this kind of asept, it means ..." good drinks ))))
                      1. +1
                        7 June 2021 18: 22
                        How ?! Again ?! What is wrong this time?
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                        7 June 2021 18: 44
                        The hints are different - it's useless!

                        Give up hope everyone who enters
                        In a swamp of stinking stupidity.
                        They swallow it, drown in it -
                        Oil seems naive.

                        Impromptu, if that.
                      3. +2
                        7 June 2021 20: 16
                        What hints are there?!?!
                        I meant the quarter-finals, an inglorious end. bully
            2. +4
              7 June 2021 16: 15
              Here I am about the same! They took it off the tongue.
              And for the last 2 months, I had four days off ... I’ll only get to the Hermitage on Wednesday, and then in the morning, and then to work.
              1. +2
                7 June 2021 17: 43
                And in the Hermitage, too, I suppose, a park.
                Not on escusia smile )))
                1. +2
                  7 June 2021 17: 58
                  Not without it. At the exhibition, but also, like work. I try to provide myself with a "pillow" for the moment when I cannot work with my hands.
                  1. +4
                    7 June 2021 18: 07
                    This is familiar. I figured it out. All 90s without a single day off. Well, partly zero too.
                    As they say, the mind went beyond the mind. It's scary to remember. I can't take it anymore.
                    But, hopefully, the ability to type tex on the keyboard will remain? )))
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                      7 June 2021 18: 11
                      This is what I strive for.
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                      7 June 2021 19: 20
                      You need to learn how to type 8 thousand characters in 40 minutes, with a completely thought out text in advance. With ready-made sources from which you write. And a check in the Antipligiat system - for example, "Technovod", should show novelty at least 90%, and better 92%. If it is - everything - you are a master and go ahead!
              2. +4
                7 June 2021 18: 00
                4 days off in 2 months is almost a luxury. Not always so lucky.
                1. +2
                  7 June 2021 18: 10
                  Labor has become a need for a person and, having entered into trust, is trying to kill him wassat )))
                  1. +2
                    7 June 2021 20: 50
                    Pauses are sometimes necessary.
                2. +4
                  7 June 2021 18: 15
                  It was even tougher when I was young. I remember my middle son from the age of two. He left, he was still asleep, came - already asleep.
                  1. +2
                    7 June 2021 18: 23
                    Yes, the work is not a wolf, but the properties are the same.
                  2. +2
                    7 June 2021 20: 50
                    Yes. Each decade has its own drawing.
        2. 0
          7 June 2021 18: 20
          My poet, I believe in you and hope.
          1. +1
            7 June 2021 18: 28
            Thank you! There are many ideas - little time.
            1. 0
              7 June 2021 18: 54
              Can't help you
      2. 0
        7 June 2021 18: 17
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, somewhere I heard this definition: "money is evil"
        1. +1
          7 June 2021 18: 23
          Hello My Fair Stranger!
          As one old friend of mine used to say: when accepting money and giving it back, you need to say "thank you", because money is evil, but it's better with them!
          1. +1
            7 June 2021 18: 45
            It's true. Money is evil, but it's better to have it than not to have it
        2. 0
          7 June 2021 19: 22
          In my novel "Three from Ensk. The Iron Horse" battle group this phrase is uttered by a young heroine, and an old, wise general with paralyzed legs answers her ... But I don't remember what ... I remember that he answers well.
  4. +1
    7 June 2021 19: 10
    Quote: Astra wild2
    My poet, I believe in you and hope.

    There is nothing but hope left
    1. +2
      7 June 2021 19: 23
      “Wait and hope” is the main thing in life, said Edmond Dantes, Count of Monte Cristo. All the wisdom of the world is contained in these words!

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