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Still, not "cartoons of the Kremlin": Pentagon intelligence named the hypersonic weapon of the Russian Federation among the threats to the existence of the United States

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The website of the US Senate Armed Services Committee published a document prepared by American intelligence. This report is dedicated to the threats to the United States of America. Pentagon intelligence officials in the report point to two countries that pose an "existential threat" to the American state. It is not hard to guess that we are talking about Russia and China.


The document says that Russia and China are challenging the US military superiority in the world. For this, a different arsenal of means and methods is used.

From the report:

This is the use of proxy forces, the implementation of hacker attacks, the spread of disinformation, an attempt to undermine the economic power of the United States.

Speaking of an attempt to "undermine the economic power of the United States," Pentagon intelligence, apparently, is referring to the work of Moscow and Beijing to reduce the volume of mutual settlements in dollars, as well as the creation of their own payment systems and financial operational capabilities, including an analogue of SWIFT.

The report says the Russian army is "an existential threat to the United States."

It is noteworthy that the document contains statements about the latest Russian weapons, including hypersonic missile systems.

But not so long ago in the United States and in the West as a whole it was stated that the newest Russian weapon - this is a "myth", "Putin's animation". Very little time has passed, and US intelligence is already declaring the hypersonic weapons of the Russian Federation among the threats to the existence of the United States of America as such. It turns out that Russia's hypersonic missiles are not "cartoons of the Kremlin" after all ...

From a US intelligence report:

Russia is using its military capabilities to maintain influence in neighboring countries. Political and economic opportunities are also used. At the same time, Russia avoids direct conflict with the West, including NATO countries. At the same time, the Kremlin is taking various measures to undermine the unity in the North Atlantic alliance.
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  1. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 3 May 2021 20: 06
    +28
    Yet quite recently in the United States and in the West as a whole it was stated that the newest Russian weapon is a "myth", "Putin's animation."

    If only "in the USA and in the West"! We heard the same screams here.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 3 May 2021 20: 17
      +11
      so hohs are always expressed at the direction of the states
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 3 May 2021 22: 38
        -5
        I wonder what happened to the "Petrel". It seems to be like after the presidential message of 2018, he is no longer a secret, but since 2019 nothing has been heard about him. And even in news like this, they like to remember about hypersound, and a missile with a nuclear engine is bypassed.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 4 May 2021 09: 05
          +1
          Putin in his address to the Federal Assembly in April mentioned the "Petrel".
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 3 May 2021 20: 21
      +12
      Vasyan 1971 Why have you heard? Screaming about the "cartoons of the Kremlin" and now doubt that in the country, what's on the site!
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 3 May 2021 20: 27
        +12
        Quote: Thrifty
        Screaming about "cartoons of the Kremlin" and now doubt that in the country, what's on the site!

        - Information war, - the West allocates decent money for it, - we see this loot.
        1. oleg-gr
          oleg-gr 3 May 2021 20: 37
          +8
          "At the same time, the Kremlin is taking various measures to undermine the unity of the North Atlantic alliance." Poor NATO. From a candy bar it turns into a discussion club. What a shame, however.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 3 May 2021 20: 38
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        Vasyan 1971 Why have you heard? Screaming about the "cartoons of the Kremlin" and now doubt that in the country, what's on the site!

        Yes. That is, that is ... Tru-patriots, there you go to swing!
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 3 May 2021 22: 56
      +1
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      We heard the same screams here.

      "We weren't yelling ... we were talking so loudly!" repeat
  2. Siegfried
    Siegfried 3 May 2021 20: 24
    +8
    "Traditionally," threat analysis "by American intelligence is the result of the work of various military-industrial complex lobbies in the states. Everyone wants to bite off a bigger piece of the $ 700 billion pie
  3. Fredgar Puzix Jr.
    Fredgar Puzix Jr. 3 May 2021 20: 27
    +2
    In my opinion, these screams about cartoons and now do not stop ... Only the "original" can enlighten the crazy heads ...
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 5 May 2021 01: 14
      +1
      Duc original flew. Twice small messages flickered. After that, the West somehow became depressed, but our liberal media work according to their completely original rules and until they, like in that joke, will not stick their face into the facts, they will shout "I do not believe, this is all cartoons and propaganda! "And the facts are then turned inside out.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 May 2021 20: 41
    +8
    To begin with, tobacco sometimes turns on the brain, the United States is far behind a puddle, and Russia is nearby. The United States is a plug in every barrel, there may not be enough for all friends. And space and electronic intelligence can not intercept everything, animal fear wakes up from ignorance of the capabilities of the last Russian and Chinese missile development. And it pleases! Let them screech, waiting for the end sometimes leads to amazing results .. Covid and BLM will help them. And let their policemen be led to the conclusion that wearing a police uniform is shameful. We have already gone through this with the security forces , most importantly, let them not stop.
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 3 May 2021 20: 46
    +3
    Kashpirovsky is not to be seen, maybe he is practicing in the USA? Ours sent him there, so he zombified them there. The hypnosis passed and that's it, what a horror !!!!!
    1. Fat
      Fat 3 May 2021 21: 35
      +3
      Kashpirovsky is not enough!
      Then remember! Omsk is the center of the universe!
      Exactly
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 May 2021 21: 11
    +1
    The report says that the Russian army is "an existential threat to the United States" ////
    ---
    This is the entire arsenal of Russia's strategic nuclear forces. All ICBMs.
    But this situation has been approximately for 50 years, without any significant changes.
    Over 25 years, the number of strategic carriers in both countries
    decreased significantly.
    A 4 pieces of planning warheads Avangard do not change the state of affairs.
    And Russia's tactical nuclear weapons do not threaten US territory.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 3 May 2021 23: 06
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And Russia's tactical nuclear weapons do not threaten US territory.

      But it threatens Ramstein or bases in Poland or the Baltics. Especially considering that the wild Houthis American air defense break through without question - Iskander from Ramstein, just with TNW - will leave a crater laughing
      TNW from the United States does not threaten anyone, especially considering that there is no one to carry it - the B-1 is prohibited from flying, and the B-52 already lacks engines from the landfill ... And they stopped filming cartoons about the F-35, because even in Hollywood they don't believe
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 May 2021 00: 16
        0
        "considering that there is no one to carry it" ///

        How is there no one to carry? And the F-35, in bulk.

        In the photo - at transonic speed.
        But we also trained the dump on supersonic.
        Each F-35 can take two tactical hydrogen bombs into its internal compartments.

        During a test in August, an F-35A dropped an inert B61-12 nuclear bomb from its internal bomb bay during a supersonic flight for the first time
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 4 May 2021 04: 53
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          dropped an inert B61-12 nuclear bomb

          In order to "drop" some "bonb", he first needs to become invisible, and then the droppd itself, because the Russian Federation has missiles in its arsenal, and it is not at all inert. Or learn to fly at least like the Armenians:
          https://afirsov.livejournal.com/649302.html
          In the meantime, pray for the F-22, which always "have no losses"

          Why didn't they shoot a Hollywood cartoon about this der slap? Has the whole Hollywood been painting how a "fat penguin" flies with a blank?
          1. ironic
            ironic 4 May 2021 19: 08
            +1
            Americans do not really hide their accidents, do not make them up. Invisibility does not exist, but aiming an air defense missile at the F-35 already from 50 km is called looking for wind fistulas in the field.
          2. 3danimal
            3danimal 4 May 2021 23: 53
            0
            Accidents of various levels inevitably accompany the operation of fighters.
            Do you think that Su-27, Su-57 are an exception?
            And the F-35A flies very well (one of the most maneuverable without OVT).
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 4 May 2021 12: 03
          0
          Only the Americans will not go to a nuclear conflict ... even a limited one
          1. ironic
            ironic 4 May 2021 19: 08
            0
            Who will go?
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 4 May 2021 19: 10
              0
              request yes no one ... but here you need to understand that the Americans consider the war not as a tool to protect the integrity of their state, but as a tool for making a profit ... therefore, they will not get involved in the war with a guarantee that a nuclear retaliation strike will be delivered ... and ours directly said that in which case they will not hit the front ..
              1. ironic
                ironic 4 May 2021 19: 26
                +1
                And the Russian Federation does not consider? This is you with humor though. If this front is not on the territory of the Russian Federation, then the attack of the Russian Federation on the United States will be a nuclear aggression, with all the consequences.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 4 May 2021 19: 27
                  -4
                  well, our doctrine says that if we zhahnem nuclear weapons ... and if you beat, then it makes sense to beat an enemy country, and not at the front ... therefore, the Americans understand this that it is beautiful to fight overseas, and then if that doesn’t work out
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 5 May 2021 00: 16
                    0
                    that if we zhahnom nuclear weapons ... and if we beat, then it makes sense to beat the enemy country

                    What will happen to the citizens of our country?
                    Are they out of brackets?
                    Look at the map of population density and industrial centers, compare (combine) them.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 5 May 2021 00: 56
                      0
                      those. according to your logic, it is better to let the United States strike at us with a nuclear strike, then force us to carry out "perestroika" with subsequent losses ... and in theory we should count from what more people will die, from drugs and the collapse of the economy, or from nuclear weapons .. The essence of nuclear weapons is that that it MUST BE applied in case of war, otherwise it makes no sense ... and this is what our opponents must understand so as not to start a war with us ..
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 5 May 2021 02: 28
                        0
                        let the US nuclear strike us

                        I saw the desire for our Strategic Missile Forces to strike first.
                        The United States could have bombed in the late 50s, if they strove for this as much as they say on Tsargrad TV and other similar resources. Ask about the number and power of charges and the number and parameters of nuclear weapons carriers.
                        Yes, and for this they would need an irreplaceable dictator, an adventurer at the head.
                        then forced to carry out "restructuring

                        They forced to carry out perestroika? Did they take the miners out on strike too?
                        Did you introduce coupons?
                        No.
                        In the 90s, they carried humanitarian aid and organized loans (because the Union had already gained over the roof in the 80s).
                        from which more people will die-from drugs and the collapse of the economy or from nuclear weapons

                        50% and more die from nuclear weapons. So what is more?
                        And this is exactly what our opponents must understand in order not to start a war with us ..

                        The United States will not enter our territory.
                        But from time to time there are calls to "return" (by military means, of course) the former territories of the USSR / Ingushetia (some of them are part of NATO).
                        And the problem of an organized confrontation of a significantly stronger military organization is proposed with the help of nuclear terror (to burn down one of the cities to ostracize).
                        Ignoring the consequences of such steps.
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 5 May 2021 10: 17
                        0
                        wow .. what a fierce nonsense .. I understand .. you have a flag with stars and you play the green card ... I see no point in further conversation
                      3. 3danimal
                        3danimal 5 May 2021 11: 55
                        0
                        I met this fierce nonsense here and not only.
                        https://amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/politics/14/10/2009/5703d6e19a7947733180bb63

                        I'm talking about the consequences of implementation.
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 5 May 2021 13: 14
                        -2
                        for Americanophiles: for the United States, Russia is like a bone in the throat, just like the USSR in its time, and the nuclear bombings of the USSR were prevented by the appearance of Soviet nuclear weapons .. And it is thanks to their presence and development that we now have sanctions, not a full-length war. If you do not understand the essence of the doctrine of nuclear deterrence, these are your problems
                      5. 3danimal
                        3danimal 5 May 2021 14: 25
                        0
                        for the USA, Russia is like a bone in the throat

                        Is it because of wealth, influence? Spirituality?
                        like the USSR in its time

                        Not this way. The USSR was a young socialist state that wants to crush world capitalism.
                        So they said, starting from kindergarten almost.
                        Now we are capitalists ourselves smile
                        moreover, the nuclear bombing of the USSR was prevented by the appearance of Soviet nuclear weapons ..

                        Empty, foreign words without numbers. And the numbers clarify the picture.
                        At the time of testing the first nuclear device (NOT a bomb that can be dropped from an airplane) of the USSR in 1949, the USA had about 200 ready-to-use atomic bombs, with an average capacity of 40-60 kT.
                        The Union tested an exact copy of the American Fat Man, 1945 model, with a capacity of 20 kT.
                        we now have sanctions, not a full-length war

                        Fighting a large state, even without nuclear weapons, entails serious losses. And for what?
                        What is a full-length war?
                        If you do not understand the essence of the doctrine of nuclear deterrence, these are your problems

                        Read the article carefully:
                        "The conditions for the use of nuclear weapons in repulsing aggression with the use of conventional weapons not only in large-scale, but also in regional and even local war have been adjusted," N. Patrushev said.

                        Including in the territory of third countries.
                      6. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 5 May 2021 14: 32
                        -2
                        Lol ... All banal grandmother, the Americans do not want competition, so they use war as a tool to gain power and money .. and I don’t really want to fight a country that can destroy the United States as a state .. About "full-length war." Yes, it is corny, in the 90s the conversation was about the abandonment of nuclear weapons, and there is already the division of the Russian Federation into small countries and taking them under various forms of control ... but it is difficult for someone who dreams of a green card to understand such things ... because the US cannot act clean in their own interests ... and the nuclear bombing of Japan, so the Russians did the same, but not the good Americans ... the whole topic is closed, I see no point in further conversation
                      7. 3danimal
                        3danimal 5 May 2021 15: 06
                        -1
                        All corny grandmas, Americans do not want competition

                        And who can compete and in what areas?
                        Russia can compete with Intel, Apple? Coca-Cola? Tesla (Yo-mobile crying )?
                        What is the processor, video card, OS in your phone / beech / PC?
                        What do you take to drink cognac / whiskey?
                        These are huge incomes, among other things.
                        Tell us how a US soldier in a store made you buy all this? lol
                        which can destroy the United States as a state does not really want to.

                        Kiselevskaya incorrect formulation. RF can cause mutual unacceptable damage USA.
                        in the 90s, the conversation was about the rejection of nuclear weapons

                        This is nonsense, of course. In the 90s, the United States was very afraid of the appearance of nuclear weapons on the black market due to the possible collapse of the Russian Federation (try to understand).
                        And contributed to the transfer of nuclear weapons by Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus - Russia.
                        but it is difficult for someone who dreams of a green card to understand such things

                        What hard intellectual attempts have led you to this idiotic conclusion? negative
                        and the nuclear bombing of Japan, so the Russians did the same, but not the good Americans .. the whole topic is closed, I see no point in further conversation

                        I came up with it myself - I took offense myself lol
                      8. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 5 May 2021 16: 48
                        0
                        laughing Tesla ... is it one that is unprofitable from year to year and has only profit on the sale of environmental quotas? Let me tell you a terrible secret, the Americans really want to sell liquefied gas to the EU, so they demand to stop the sp-2..but the Greenkart people don't understand this, pray further on the USA bully
                      9. 3danimal
                        3danimal 5 May 2021 17: 28
                        -1
                        https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1318605/000156459021004599/tsla-10k_20201231.htm

                        Operating income of $ 1,994 billion in 2020 and capitalization is now $ 710 billion, which exceeds our stock market.
                        Sympathize with poor Tesla.
                        I will reveal a terrible secret, the Americans really want to sell liquefied gas to the EU, and therefore they demand to stop the sp-2

                        Aggravation, started to jump from the topic? lol
                      10. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 5 May 2021 19: 01
                        -2
                        laughing oh yeah .. capitalization .. no comment .. go heal someone else
                2. ironic
                  ironic 5 May 2021 16: 29
                  0
                  Are the plans for the Russian mating of stripes with the military-industrial complex and a serious complex very different in essence? Well, perhaps to the best of the mentality and the historically formed political and legal system. No more. You will not get out of it. At least talk at least not.
      2. Israel
        Israel 5 May 2021 13: 40
        +1
        The United States could have bombed in the late 50s, if they strove for this as much as they say on Tsargrad TV and other similar resources. Ask about the number and power of charges and the number and parameters of nuclear weapons carriers.
        Yes, and for this they would need an irreplaceable dictator, an adventurer in


        No, they could not, but just then there were people in the USS who could and wanted to "push through" a nuclear strike against the USSR, and there were different plans.
        But the war in Korea showed that the idea of ​​a massive B-29 raid was not workable, most of the (overwhelming) bombers would be shot down by Soviet air defense and aviation, and the United States would suddenly be left without strategic aviation, nuclear warheads, causing minimal damage to the USSR.
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 5 May 2021 14: 47
        +1
        the idea of ​​a massive B-29 raid is not workable

        Already old (at that time) B-29.
        In 1949, there were already about 200 B-36 Peacemaker in service.
        * Maximum speed: 700 km / h (with included turbojet engines)
        * Cruising speed: 380 km / h (with off turbojets)
        * Range: 11 km with a payload of 000 kg
        * Ferry range: 16 km
        * Service ceiling: 15 m

        The MiG-15 only began production in 1949.
        The MiG-9 in service did not reach the "ceiling", 13500m.
        What is important, a similar answer, even with one bomb, was simply impossible: there is neither an aircraft similar to the B-36, nor a bomb.
        It is interesting that until 1952 the Union produced only RDS-1, a copy of the 1945 "Fat Man".
  7. ironic
    ironic 5 May 2021 16: 26
    0
    And if the opponents think the same way and believe that you should understand this and that W76-2 will help you to understand this?
  • ironic
    ironic 5 May 2021 16: 24
    +1
    Well, if that nuclear weapons and fly back. Very smart. But only one person in the whole country is sure that he will go to heaven, and all the rest will die. Therefore, you, for example, do not understand that you will definitely not get to heaven.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 5 May 2021 07: 27
    +1
    Iskander from Ramstein, just with TNW - will leave a crater

    First, from Kaliningrad to the Ramstein base at least 1000 km. The range is not enough.
    And secondly, do not nuclear strikes against bases in Poland give the right to retaliate using nuclear weapons against bases of the Russian Federation, which will act as a nuclear aggressor?
    Why do all people making such statements do not think that, first of all, their fellow citizens, relatives, themselves will burn?
    The fact that somewhere out there someone will be just as bad - all this has zero value in such a scenario.
    TNW from the United States does not threaten anyone, especially considering that there is no one to carry it - the B-1 is prohibited from flying, and the B-52 already lacks engines from the landfill ... And they stopped filming cartoons about the F-35, because even in Hollywood they don't believe

    Mythology, primitive.
    https://ria.ru/amp/20200506/1571020715.html

    Exercise B-1 in 2020.
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4033068.html

    New engines will be installed on the B-52, there are all the possibilities for this.

    F-35s were built 123 units last year, the pace of production is growing.
    There are 650+ of them in total.
    There are already a lot of videos with them, and NOT cartoons.
    https://youtu.be/MJLoW1ClNE0

    https://youtu.be/ROOeGPrC1Do

    https://youtu.be/kKfjh4tcfmU

    https://youtu.be/UbEpYBaaF5E

    You were probably too lazy to look? smile
  • ironic
    ironic 5 May 2021 16: 20
    +1
    Yeah, probably because the cartoon with the B-61 is more agile and faster even than the X-102 and can also defend itself, except to grab a couple of B-61s with you. Here is where Sukhoi's only cartoon is believed, although only recently his predecessor flopped in the first flight. wink And the breadth of thought is what, with zhahnut Topol, zhahnut Iskander, but the main thing is that with nuclear weapons. For this, you definitely don't need brains, only a cry of a urya ... the last ...
  • KCA
    KCA 4 May 2021 02: 38
    +5
    The number of strategic delivery vehicles has not changed yet, START-3 is still in question, but the quality is changing very much in the Russian Federation, the replacement of Topol by Yars, X-55 to X-102, Bulava instead of R-29RM is not long left before the appearance of "Sarmat", well, the cartoon characters "Petrel" and "Poseidon", in the USA only a modification of the "Tridents" and "Minutemans", which did not introduce revolutionary changes in their parameters
    1. ironic
      ironic 4 May 2021 19: 18
      +1
      Well, Mace is still not up to Trident D5 yet. And the Minuteman is actually no worse than the Topol-M, and his replacement will most likely be an even lighter rocket, but they do not need a heavy rocket in the ground component. So why are they fussing about? And Sarmat is generally a surplus missile, solely for the sake of a political scarecrow, which will cost the Russian Federation dearly. The Americans were not even going to develop anything of the kind even during the peak of the voivode's presence on alert. They wrote off the last "peacemaker" without pity or regret. The Petrel is a horror story that will end badly first of all for you, and Poseidon is a horror story that can end badly, but you do not yet understand this. Politically, this is also one damage and nothing more. But thinking is not there, but the loot is there and elsewhere.
      1. KCA
        KCA 4 May 2021 21: 04
        0
        What not to reach is a difficult question, in the USSR and Russia traditionally either underestimate the characteristics of weapons, or do not voice them at all, especially missile weapons, and the United States, on the contrary, is conducting a wide advertising campaign giving out unrealistic characteristics, "Sarmat" is not at all redundant, it is for 100% overcoming of the existing and promising for many many decades US missile defense, Trident and Bulava is also not clear, why is the R-30 far from D5? Range? So the declared maximum 11 is with some kind of lightweight, but what does this mean? Maximum 300 km with one 11kt block without false targets? At the same time, with the maximum mass of the warhead, the range is 300 km, the Bulava has just 200 km without specifying the minimum mass of the warhead or the maximum, the Trident is launched only when the submarine is completely stopped, the Bulava is launched on the move, also in a salvo, who is far from whom?
        1. ironic
          ironic 5 May 2021 12: 53
          +1
          Today, it is almost impossible to hide the main characteristics of the complexes. Only internal technologies and means of positioning and guidance remain a secret. The mace was made to fly in agony without accidents, but even a cursory glance at the publicly available performance characteristics shows the reason why the Americans are not in too much of a hurry with the E6 revision. The unreal characteristics of the main technical characteristics of the United States, they are unreal only in the bravura pseudo-patriotic rritory similar to the Siamese brothers, re-printed articles in Russian and nowhere else. Yars and Yars-S are quite enough to add the US missile defense system, for there are as many as 40 GBIs in one direction and as many as 4 in the other. Those. Thus, it is just an expensive scarecrow of huge size, production and maintenance costs, the speed of preparation for the start of which, in any case, remains lower than that of gunpowder. There is no point in replacing the Governor with Sarmatians in the 1/1 proportion for reasons of national security. And political they are the same as in the creation of the Status. It would be better and more productive for all this babalo to develop a bad-ass replacement for the Stiletto under the Vanguard, for that matter. And the mobile one.
          The declared maximum range for Bulava is 9300 km with 6 warheads of 100-150 Kt, with three it can reach about 10 and for D5 LTE> 12000 km with 6 76-1 / 2 warheads, and with three there generally to anywhere in the world, although the added figure was not announced. The range with a maximum load (10 warheads 100-150kt) for Bulava is 8300 km, and for D5 LTE 7500-8500 km, depending on 8 warheads 88-1 455Kt or 14 warheads 76-1 / 2 90 / 6Kt. The maximum load of D5 is more than doubled against the Bulava and they achieved accuracy for 76-1 at 90m, and for 76-2 already 70m. And Bulava will fall within the declared 150m - this is a great victory for patriotic literature in Russian. 172 successful D5 tests, fewer 10 failures. Well, of course, they can't fire as many as 20 missiles from a boat, only one per hour. Do you even think about the degree of stupidity of such bravura statements?
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 5 May 2021 15: 33
            0
            Yars and Yars-S are quite enough to attach the US missile defense system, for there are as many as 40 GBIs in one direction and as many as 4 in the other.

            There are already more of them.
            the total number of interceptor missiles deployed in the United States can reach hundreds, and the number of deployment areas - five, which will reliably cover the entire territory of the country from low-yield missile strikes.
            1. ironic
              ironic 5 May 2021 16: 13
              0
              I found information about 20 units, which bring the number to the original plans of 64 units and plans for the next generation in the 27th year at the earliest.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 5 May 2021 15: 25
          +1
          What not to reach is a difficult question, in the USSR and Russia traditionally either underestimate the characteristics of weapons, or do not voice them at all, especially missile weapons, and the United States, on the contrary, is conducting a wide advertising campaign giving out unrealistic characteristics,

          A handy myth to wishful thinking.
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 5 May 2021 00: 11
        -1
        Well, Mace is still not up to Trident D5 yet.

        IMHO, it was not worth building new SSBNs under the Bulava. Moreover, in the design bureau, which has never dealt with SLBMs.
        Optimal was the design of new submarines 955 under the R-29RMU2 "Sineva" (put into service in 2007).
        The USSR / RF never had good results in the production of solid-propellant SLBMs, unlike liquid-fueled versions.
        1. ironic
          ironic 5 May 2021 16: 35
          0
          But continuing to develop SSBNs with liquid-propellant missiles also did not work out too much, because technologically nothing but monsters of ~ 35 thousand tons (Klimov claims that the information about 48 is clearly inflated) clearly could not compete with a similar component of the US triad.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 5 May 2021 16: 48
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            The aforementioned "younger version" of Sineva (with a slightly shorter range) R-29RM is armed with the 667BDRM "Dolphin" in service, the basis of the naval component of the Russian nuclear triad.
            This SSBN has 18200 tons of full displacement, and the missile is 2,5 meters longer and 4 tons heavier than the Bulava - 40 against 36 tons.
            Pr 941 with a displacement of 48 tons Bali is armed with 20 monstrous 90-ton R-39s, which had a range like the lighter R-29RM (but more powerful warheads).

            The third from the left is the R-39, the fourth is the R-29RM.
            1. ironic
              ironic 5 May 2021 17: 17
              0
              The latter, as I understand it, is Trident. Well, see for yourself. With practically parity in energy characteristics, the difference in the size and complexity of operation, not to mention the prospects, especially within the framework of strategic offensive arms.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 5 May 2021 17: 36
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                No, the last one is "Chinese", Trident is not in the picture request
                Trident-2 D5: weight 59,1 t, length 13,4 m, max. weight 2,8t, range 7800-11300 km.
                KVO 90-120m.

                R-29RMU2 (Sineva): weight 40,3t, length 14,8m, max. weight 2,8t, range 8300-11550 km. A rocket with a liquid-propellant engine, the most energy efficient in its class.
                KVO 250m.

                Mace: weight 36,8t, length 12,1m, max. weight 1,15t, range 9300 km.
                KVO (supposed, taken from Topol-M) 150-200m.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 5 May 2021 17: 48
                  0
                  With a small addition that the upgraded version of LTE has a maximum range of> 12000, almost everything is the same. Wet start, liquid engine and long length are the main parameters, which in any case have no perspective.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 5 May 2021 17: 51
                    0
                    Another plus of the D5 is twice the accuracy (KVO).
                    But unlike Bulava, Sineva passed the tests better. Hence the thoughts about its greater preference (at the moment) request
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 6 May 2021 00: 55
                      +1
                      I agree better, but the Liner is also improved. But in terms of prospects and scalability, it is still better as a whole, although a little reliable, but Bulava. Took a lot of time. And he will take it. But powder missiles will be the basis of strategic nuclear forces for the entire next generation, at least, if not one.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 5 May 2021 00: 18
      +1
      Mace "instead of R-29RM

      It is unlikely that Bulava will replace the R-29RM, there are successful upgrades like Sineva and Liner.
      1. ironic
        ironic 5 May 2021 16: 36
        0
        They are relatively successful for extending the life of existing boats, but hopeless for the future.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 4 May 2021 02: 51
    +1
    The easier it will be to endure the tactical tobacco, the more strategic it will be freed up for the owners, while the tobacco is a human shield in order for the sherkhan to get fewer luli.
    1. ironic
      ironic 5 May 2021 16: 40
      0
      Is your head okay? The more B-61s hit you from the airfields in Europe, the less chance you have at all to answer someone at all. 83% of your population is located on a relatively narrow, truncated pyramid, between the mountains of the European part. And here you breed military hysteria.
  • il-z
    il-z 4 May 2021 12: 21
    0
    US bases in Japan and South Korea are within reach of tactical nuclear weapons. And Inzhirlik will be closer to Ramstein).
    1. ironic
      ironic 5 May 2021 16: 42
      0
      What should be a sobering desire to talk to someone in the language of nuclear weapons, because there is also tactical nuclear weapons there, and if it takes off, look for its fistulas, right up to the appearance of mushrooms.
  • ironic
    ironic 4 May 2021 19: 10
    +1
    And even a full delivery of all 12 will not change. And Vanguard is a glider. The Americans also have it, although its appointment is classified.
  • mister-red
    mister-red 3 May 2021 21: 21
    +5
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    Yet quite recently in the United States and in the West as a whole it was stated that the newest Russian weapon is a "myth", "Putin's animation."

    If only "in the USA and in the West"! We heard the same screams here.

    We have only recently stopped talking about Putin's cartoons. Some still have phantom pains, but everything is slowly subsiding.
    1. ironic
      ironic 4 May 2021 19: 22
      +1
      Well, yes, it was no longer interesting. One cartoon turned out to be a glider, the second equalized in Severodvinsk, and before that he dived twice into the water, the third turned out to be an aerobalistic rocket and now there is a megatorpeda that has not brought political dividends, but will still bring problems.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 5 May 2021 00: 22
        0
        There was also a model of an Über laser made of drainpipes. smile
        (Directly along Mayakovsky).
        1. ironic
          ironic 5 May 2021 11: 57
          +1
          The situation with him is not entirely clear, it seems that he protects mobile complexes from attacks. True, with its size, it must be protected from attacks ...
        2. mister-red
          mister-red 5 May 2021 16: 41
          0
          Quote: ironic
          And Vanguard is a glider. The Americans also have it, although its appointment is classified.

          And this is already interesting. It is possible for details or so, just blurted out.
      2. mister-red
        mister-red 5 May 2021 16: 38
        0
        Quote: ironic
        Well, yes, it was no longer interesting. One cartoon turned out to be a glider, the second equalized in Severodvinsk, and before that he dived twice into the water, the third turned out to be an aerobalistic rocket and now there is a megatorpeda that has not brought political dividends, but will still bring problems.

        It's probably nice to live in a world like yours. A world of dreams and illusions. I also like to dream sometimes
  • Fat
    Fat 3 May 2021 21: 32
    +4
    "Russia uses its military capabilities to maintain influence in neighboring countries. It also uses political and economic opportunities. At the same time, Russia avoids direct conflict with the West, including NATO countries. At the same time, the Kremlin is taking various measures to undermine the unity in the North Atlantic alliance."
    Surprisingly accurate analysis for a grade 10 middle school student.
    Replaced one word in the first sentence ... Superfluous - military capabilities
    Their. "....." (bandits) are ready for any dirty provocations in the name of "freedom"
    Outright lies are also good.
    I don't even want to think that Alexander III's "love" for terrorists is not reciprocal.
    It will take years just to figure it out.
    Maybe the train from the cousins ​​will appear?
    Ugh at all of them! I think the age-old nastiness is on the way ...
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 3 May 2021 22: 03
      +3
      Yes, I have the same "love" for terrorists as any normal person. I want my children and grandchildren to live a normal life, and not worry about the future. The whole history of mankind is one war. The tribes in the jungle fight each other.
      1. Fat
        Fat 3 May 2021 22: 46
        0
        What tribes, with what people ??? , The selva in the jungle has become cramped, and what resources are the tribes in the forests fighting for?
        Maybe just hiding from "progress"?
        When, a few years ago, a group of fans dug in the forests of Valdai ... From the end of the world ... Norma?
        So they sat in "free possession" After 2012, a few more years under the hill.
        Everything is speculative and the media blew into the mouthpiece.
        So how did it end?
      2. Fat
        Fat 4 May 2021 01: 45
        +1
        Don't take it personally. Emperor Alexander III executed the First Martyrs without hesitation. Gelfman alone survived the execution of terrorists. On the occasion of pregnancy, not for long ...
        A little later, in 1877, another group of ideological murderers got to the gallows. Alexander Ulyanov is probably remembered by all former pioneers.
        At least the tribes in the jungle have something to share.
        Not like the commoners with the authorities ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 May 2021 19: 21
          +2
          Because of the honest, but close-minded Alexander III, the 1st Russian revolution took place,
          although take the rap for her
          had to his unfortunate relative Nicholas II.
          When you execute without thinking while completely stopping economic
          reforms - wait for barricades and shooting from attics at security officials.
          The British dynasty is still alive and well, respected by the people,
          because she clearly understood in all ages:
          traditions - traditions, and reforms - reforms. Everything changes.
          Time cannot be stopped.
          1. Fat
            Fat 4 May 2021 20: 06
            0
            With respect. But personally, I have a very bad attitude towards Nicolas. Alexander III was a tough and liberal ruler. Everything was suppressed.
            However, the apparatus for suppressing dissidents was never created.
            I keep trying to trace the fate of Russia along the Semyonovsky Life Guards Regiment.
            And, you know, after the executions of the First Martyrs before the World War, there was nothing worthy of the Life Guards.
            Ask. If you have information about this shelf please share. Write in a personal.
            The period from 1885 to 1900 is significant.
            Interest: retired personnel or on a long vacation. Category - non-commissioned officers (or sergeants)
            Yes. The period of the first execution of the First Martyrs.
            A very dark period. Before and after they were kept in Shlisselburg, in "Nut".
            It is this period that is important.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 May 2021 20: 59
              -1
              I do not possess such special knowledge - the history of the Semenovsky regiment.
              But I wish you success in your interesting research. drinks
              1. Fat
                Fat 5 May 2021 00: 45
                0
                Thank you. In 13, the Semyonovsky Life Guards Guards regiment was "revived"
                This is the least favorite unit of the Soviet Power ...
                What prompted the president to remember about loyalty and honor.
                Although, without legends, the regiment is the most rebellious ...
                And yes, if the research is successful.
                I will not publish it here.
                The mechanics of publishing and editing are unnecessarily complicated and indistinct.
                I am not a plagiarist, but without the direct text of the manuals of the official materials of the military history of Russia in any way.
                Not a journalist or a writer. The work done by the staff of the captains and lieutenants of the empire is beyond my ability to retell in my own words. I can quote - I found the sources.
              2. Fat
                Fat 5 May 2021 01: 01
                0
                Do you really think this site is worth visiting sober?
                Without half a liter, such a thought will not come to me. As it is now.
                Thank you ...
                .. Well, as always, stupidly ambiguous
          2. Fat
            Fat 18 May 2021 16: 26
            0
            Sorry, "bro * .... What are you talking about ???
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 May 2021 21: 44
    +4
    Still, not "cartoons of the Kremlin": Pentagon intelligence named the hypersonic weapon of the Russian Federation among the threats to the existence of the United States
    ... Are they still hoping that everything that we have will be dumped on their heads ???
    Strange they are somehow .... vigorous arguments exist just for that, so that they would not dump anything on your head, and not for an attack on someone, which will be followed by an equally destructive response !!!
    No, it would not be normal, if not for other aspects of the confrontation of superpowers ...
  • tatiana korzhenko
    tatiana korzhenko 3 May 2021 22: 04
    0
    Maybe I don’t understand everything with a woman’s mind, but still - what is the global strategic meaning in all these hypersonic weapons? Didn't Russia have an unacceptable response to aggression? This weapon is a means of unpunished first strike? Also no, a similar response from American submarines, for example, is also impossible to repel. And the defense doctrine of Russia itself is defense. The potential of mutual destruction has not gone away. Then what is the strategic global advantage of the owner of this hypersound ?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 3 May 2021 22: 14
      .
      Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
      Maybe I don't understand everything with a female mind, but still - what is the global strategic meaning in all these hypersonic weapons?

      All understood correctly, no. In the early 10s, the United States even stopped the development of hypersonic weapons. But after the message from his grandfather, the lobbyists of their military-industrial complex received a trump card. Now they are sawing their hypersonic missiles, satellites for their detection and anti-missiles. Lockheed, Northrop and others like them are happy. They will torment everywhere, the classic: "The Russians are coming!"
      But we will have a couple of hundred missiles on several dozen carriers, they have several tens of thousands, on thousands of carriers. I'm talking about tactical.
      Strategically, it makes no difference at all, even the FAU-2 was accelerated to hypersonic speed.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 3 May 2021 23: 06
        +2
        Strategically, it makes no difference at all, even the FAU-2 was accelerated to hypersonic speed.
        In the suborbital and even went out into outer space, the first in the world, oh now they will peck at me, the chuyka peaks with a red indicator, but against the truth, they will not minus much, probably laughing :
        "V-2" is the first object in history to perform a suborbital space flight, reaching an altitude of 188 km with a vertical launch. It happened in 1944
      2. Fat
        Fat 3 May 2021 23: 36
        +7
        Faus accelerated to a maximum of a pair of Machs, do not flatter either them or yourself and flew 300 km. Hypersound means, in the event of a retaliatory shot from strategists, to receive a blow before assessing the damage of the blow to the "enemy".
      3. Fat
        Fat 3 May 2021 23: 54
        +5
        Bro, supersonic is not hypersonic! Don't mislead anyone. In the dense layers of the atmosphere, it is customary to speak of hyper in more than 6 swings. But not about cosmic speeds. The first orbital 8 km per second is clearly more than hypersonic.
        No need to flatter the toilet with boiling water.
        700 m per second - Kalashnikov bullet
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 4 May 2021 00: 05
          -8
          Where do you come from? Blocked in Yandex? So use Google. If knowledge is not enough.
          Hypersonic speed starts at 5 speeds of sound, wherever there is an atmosphere. The cruising speed of the FAU-2 is 1650 m / s, flies at an altitude of 80 km, the speed of sound there is 282,5 m / s

          1650 / 282,5 = 5,84M is hypersonic speed.

          1. Fat
            Fat 4 May 2021 00: 22
            +3
            Well, what did you prove to me personally?
            Read on. 8000 m per second - the first orbital (7.91 km per second) altitude - at least 80 km. MiG 31 makes almost 3 swings at an altitude of 20 km.
            Very good supersonic sound. But not hyper.
            Oh yes, I come from the physics class of the secondary school of the 20th century in the USSR.
            And with your beautiful table, you only proved your lack of understanding of the problem.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 3 May 2021 23: 13
      +3
      Quote: Tatiana Korzhenko
      The potential for mutual destruction is still there. Then what is the strategic global advantage of the owner of this hypersound?

      If they have chances in terms of intercepting ICBMs, then in terms of intercepting hypersound, by their own admission, their capabilities are almost zero. Here they are more strained by the fact that the actions of the Russian Federation and the PRC lead to a decrease in the role of the dollar in international trade, and hypersound is among the reasons that limit their ability to solve this problem by military means, as they did in Libya by destroying Gaddafi, who proposed to put into circulation gold dinar and free Libyan oil from petrodollars. Settlements in dollars between the PRC and the Russian Federation decreased by 50%.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 May 2021 23: 34
        -2
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        If they have a chance in terms of intercepting ICBMs, then in terms of intercepting hypersound, by their own admission, their capabilities are almost nil.

        So any ICBM flies at hypersonic speed.

        Quote: Nyrobsky
        actions of the Russian Federation and China lead to a decrease in the role of the dollar

        They lead very poorly. All settlements between China and Russia are in dollars. Even if the dollar is not used, it is still the yardstick and common denominator in all calculations. Russia tried to buy yuan and got burnt on this (seriously lost) when the yuan began to devalue against the dollar. And the trade turnover with Russia is not large in the total trade turnover of China.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 3 May 2021 23: 51
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          So any ICBM flies at hypersonic speed.

          Five swings and an unpredictable trajectory?

          Quote: Stas157
          They lead very poorly. All settlements between China and Russia are in dollars. Even if the dollar is not used, it is still the yardstick and common denominator in all calculations. Russia tried to buy yuan and was burned (lost) on this when the yuan began to devalue against the dollar.
          50% of the dollars in the calculations were squeezed out in favor of the euro, and the remaining 50% accounted for by the dollar and national currencies in terms of the dollar. hi
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 4 May 2021 07: 28
            -3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Five swings and an unpredictable trajectory?

            The main ICBM of the USSR, the SS-18 liquid-propellant missile Voevoda flies at a speed of Mach 10 and along an unpredictable trajectory. Because taking off makes an unpredictable maneuver in space. It was impossible to calculate its trajectory from two points (start and position in space), like other ICBMs.
      2. Fat
        Fat 4 May 2021 00: 37
        +3
        If the ballistic missile has the same speed as the enemy's missile in the orbital segment. That the speed of achieving the goal of a passive warhead, according to the laws of nature, should be equal? Not? Gravity and Ballistics. A controlled glider capable of maneuvering at near-space speed, what would it do?
        Minimum ... will increase the effect by almost an order of magnitude. With warheads parity ....
        Need to talk about something?
        Yes it is. Reducing requirements when using low-power nuclear weapons. This is serious.
    3. Fat
      Fat 3 May 2021 23: 27
      +3
      The point is simple. Retaliation comes at the same time as the attack. And hypersonic gliders are out of business here.
      All modestly.
      The decision to strike is as quick as the decision to attack itself.
      The agreement is already half a century old.
      The United States tried to circumvent the treaty at a new technological level. Well, we got a new solution, and the missile defense system became adequate and ambiguous. Think Ajlis is a defense system?
      Do you think the USSR experts did not have an answer?
      But they warned: don't! Will not help. "The answer will not be symmetrical"
    4. Fat
      Fat 4 May 2021 00: 57
      +2
      This is an asymmetric advice to reduce the requirements for the possible use of nuclear weapons.
      Requirements for a nuclear strike of any power will be hit by the available power. Nuclear weapons with a capacity of half a ton of TNT are all the same - a nuclear strike.
      Consider a nuclear war unleashed. The owner of the hypersound has more time to make a Live decision. Unless the blow is massive.
      And in the event of a massive strike.
      The answer will not be slow.
      In addition, a super-speed weapon will not necessarily be a weapon of mass destruction, as you seem to want to imagine it.))))
      Russia will not become the messiah of the end of the world, as you paint.
      The containment tool does not interfere with anyone.
      Tell me that I'm wrong and draw any cons you want.
    5. Fat
      Fat 18 May 2021 23: 44
      0
      The inevitability of a global retaliatory strike. Do you remember the president's words? Without Russia, the existence of the world has no meaning.
      This is a doctrine. Therefore, goals are places of decision-making, not "big cities" ...
    6. Fat
      Fat 20 May 2021 14: 01
      +1
      Tvtyana, the whole point in "super-duper" Only one. Containment. I just thought about it, and here the answer is not adequate
      and fast. We don't need a world without Russia.
      Everyone remembers, but some clever guys are doing good
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 3 May 2021 22: 16
    +2
    Eh. if money from all kinds of egg-boxes would work in the country's economy! What then would they sing? Well, in principle, we can respond to their sanctions if we drive out Siluanov and Nabiullina They certainly do not expect such a pod from us And it's time to drive us to fool us with "negative growth." then pushing off the bottom
    1. Fat
      Fat 18 May 2021 23: 59
      +1
      Bro, we are already at the bottom, there is nowhere to break through. Absolute -273.
      The covid vaccines give some warmth. Who gets up earlier, that and sneakers))))))?
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 21 May 2021 00: 26
        +1
        Not. Still, there is where. Optimism is indestructible. I believe in people.
        At least Gobsek would not approve.
        1. Fat
          Fat 27 May 2021 01: 49
          +1
          I don't know about Gobsek. But despair is a very scary thing. Very unpredictable. I do not want to rampage black racism blm in Russia.
          What does Gobsek think about this?
          BLM is timely, otherwise where to write off the dead from Covid. Conveniently! How it all coincided!
          Duc .... Street riots, and the National Guard of the United States firing anywhere, what to do, not Hessians, ordinary minutemans.
          Oh yes optimism in chaos ...
          One frog, kicking, made cream and washed out of the jug.
          This is what we optimize.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 27 May 2021 06: 55
            +1
            The world, of course, is successfully going crazy.
            Optimism is unthinkable without action. Otherwise - the awareness of powerlessness.
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            2. Fat
              Fat 28 May 2021 12: 00
              +1
              Yes, you are right as always. Tomorrow I have to meet with an old friend. I hope we will be able to revive the business that many Volga fishermen need.
              We will kick like that unfortunate one)))))
              Everything big from small, from everyone ...
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 28 May 2021 15: 23
                0
                And there is.
                I hope you are doing well.
                And you don't often show up here, because life is more important.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 28 May 2021 22: 34
                  +1
                  Not mine. Very little good has become Vyacheslav Olegovich, One, consider it supports the heartbeat of our whole ...,
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 28 May 2021 22: 41
                    +1
                    Forums are changing. Sometimes it's critical.
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 28 May 2021 23: 22
                      +1
                      I do not insist that it was critical, otherwise a couple of months ago. I went on provocations in fertilizers in one person. More precisely, a point.
                      Patamu and keep quiet in rags
                      There was a very strong word, but not for you. For life.
            3. Fat
              Fat 28 May 2021 23: 35
              +1
              Along the way. Aren't we familiar !? Just in case, let me remind you. My name is Andrey ... My name is not and I am not asking for attention. Write to me in a personal, zeros destroyer. I am glad that you are in good shape ..
              Sincerely.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 28 May 2021 23: 40
                0
                As far as I remember - Andrey Borisovich (the tablet does not give a hint). Place of residence - Kostroma.

                Zeros, ones - a game, no more.
                Probably the equivalent of a smile.

                Acquaintance on the forum - still cannot be complete.

                Hope the shape is good. It is necessary to take advantage of this while there is time.
  • Alexander Lysenko
    Alexander Lysenko 3 May 2021 22: 24
    +2
    Where did the intelligence report come from? Yes, what is the pop, so is the parish. How can this be taken seriously ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 4 May 2021 09: 15
      0
      These reports are quite officially published, they are open in nature. Read the first sentence of the material we are commenting on.
      1. Fat
        Fat 28 May 2021 22: 42
        0
        Exactly one thing on your mind, Bro
    2. Fat
      Fat 28 May 2021 22: 40
      0
      Bro! Find the report, the archive is open, If you mentioned it, read it and share it on Comrade Lysenko's need to make secrets!
      The guard is tired.
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 3 May 2021 22: 26
    +1
    I have a question how did US intelligence know exactly? who is the traitor?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 3 May 2021 23: 11
      0
      I have a question how did US intelligence know exactly? who is the traitor?
      well, who !? All registered foreign agents leaked, each drop by drop !!! wink And then they summarized and analyzed, the entire BigData array is already in Washington and Langley ... like:
      Internet of things and social media are recognized as classical sources of big data, it is also believed that big data can come from the internal information of enterprises and organizations (generated in information environments, but not previously saved and analyzed)
    2. Fat
      Fat 28 May 2021 22: 56
      0
      What !!? Did she really know? Exactly? It is theoretically possible to find out who released the gases in the cabin. But the one who leaks the information, here is the work for half a century of swindlers from all over the world.
      We and Interpolu banbuk smoke ..... not even a proposal, a guide to mastering the budget)))))
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 3 May 2021 22: 35
    +7
    Only the Poles said that Russia does not really produce anything, and here the gentleman screwed up everything.
  • Charik
    Charik 4 May 2021 02: 23
    -3
    hahaha-I alone did not see anything about hypersonic missiles-cool article with an excellent title-the main thing is to use words about hypersonic in the title and write what you want
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 4 May 2021 04: 51
    +1
    It turns out that Russia's hypersonic missiles are not "cartoons of the Kremlin" after all ...

    Well, that's it! And then "mom, mom"! (from the cartoon)
    1. Fat
      Fat 28 May 2021 23: 03
      0
      Supper small, I can't drink so much up to your level .. So spare the budget of the old fart
      Don't Fast Without Thought
  • Old26
    Old26 4 May 2021 14: 08
    +7
    Quote: Thick
    Faus accelerated to a maximum of a pair of Machs, do not flatter either them or yourself and flew 300 km.

    In fact, the maximum speed of the FAU-2 was 1700 m / s. Taking into account the maximum height - the speed is about 6,02M. That is, hypersonic.

    Quote: Thick
    Hypersound means, in the event of a retaliatory shot from strategists, to receive a blow before assessing the damage of the blow to the "enemy".

    And this, sorry, blah blah ..

    Quote: Thick
    In the dense layers of the atmosphere, it is customary to speak of hyper in more than 6 swings. But not about cosmic speeds. The first orbital 8 km per second is clearly more than hypersonic.
    No need to flatter the toilet with boiling water.
    700 m per second - Kalashnikov bullet

    Does hypersound have any other meaning in thin layers of the atmosphere? Respected. Hypersound has always had, has and will have a speed of 5M and higher. But the digital value will be different. At an altitude of 100 meters, the hypersound will be 1700 m / s, and at an altitude of 80-90 km - 1412,5 m / s

    Doesn't really exist FIRST ORBITAL. There is FIRST SPACE... And you throw the terms as if you didn't hit, but at the same time reproach others that they are "deceiving."
    700 m / s - has always been supersonic. But on the ground it is 2,1M, and at an altitude of 90 km - 2,5M.

    Quote: Thick
    Read on. 8000 m per second - the first orbital (7.91 km per second) altitude - at least 80 km.

    FIRST SPACE, pancake, SPACEAnd not ORBITAL... And if you consider that space begins from the Karman line, that is, from 100 km, then you can throw your 80 km into the trash can ...
    It makes no sense to prove anything to people like you. People like you can only lecture, having extremely vague information about some of the parameters ...

    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Five swings and an unpredictable trajectory?

    The main ICBM of the USSR, the SS-18 liquid-propellant missile Voevoda flies at a speed of Mach 10 and along an unpredictable trajectory. Because taking off makes an unpredictable maneuver in space. It was impossible to calculate its trajectory from two points (start and position in space), like other ICBMs.

    "Voivoda" flies at a speed of 10M and on an unpredictable trajectory? At a speed, then, at 2825 m / s?
    Yes, what you have not heard at the "MILITARY REVIEW" lately. And the more delusional, the more pluses the writer has. And nothing, Stas, that the speed at the end of the first stage of the "Voevoda" is greater than you write? And how can she, poor and unfortunate Voivode, be controlled on a trajectory so that she has an unpredictable trajectory? Holy Spirit? And the stage of breeding will also "dangle" with it (the rocket) along an unpredictable trajectory ??? In Space, she does not make any unpredictable maneuvers. At an altitude of 400 km, its OUT ends and then there are NO missiles. Next flies the stage of breeding, which "delivers" the warheads along the trajectories. Calculating the finish point knowing the starting point is an elementary task in ballistics.

    Not. I am PAS. Comment on the nonsense that they began to write here
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 5 May 2021 07: 56
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      And nothing, Stas, that the speed at the end of the first stage of the "Voevoda" is greater than you write?

      This is even better. I had objections to the fact that ICBMs fly no higher than Mach 5.

      Quote: Old26
      And how can she, poor and unfortunate Voevoda, be controlled on a trajectory so that she has an unpredictable trajectory?

      I will have a childish answer, please do not judge strictly. My father is an engineer who worked on the production of these missiles. And then he said with pride more than once that the Americans could not shoot down the Voevoda, since after taking off, she makes a maneuver (before flying with a blank).
    2. Fat
      Fat 29 May 2021 19: 57
      0
      Thank you very much. Honor you are grateful for the most intelligent post. That's just, along the way, only two of us are aware of the problem under discussion)))))
  • xorek
    xorek 4 May 2021 19: 23
    -3
    Still, not "cartoons of the Kremlin": Pentagon intelligence called

    It's nice to read such articles .. The USA screeched and others!
    They are now shouting about "democracy" and "bloody regime"
    But in fact, they are terribly frightened by our military developments, which are already being put on duty .... We are simply defending ourselves and applying, only as a last resort.
    Don't pee "gentlemen" Russians know what war is! And don't make us angry for God's sake. hi
    1. ironic
      ironic 4 May 2021 19: 51
      +4
      They are terribly frightened by the money they are going to knock out for this case. Now the questionable project for replacing the Minuteman is no longer worth it, and delays with Colombia are now classified as unacceptable and the dough for tactical hypersonic missiles will be dumped from the budget by mom, don't worry, but they screech because they want even more. They do not care if they anger someone with this or not. And not only Russians know what war is, and those who need to know about it among Russians know it. For yelling yells on the forums, this is not necessary. wink
      1. xorek
        xorek 4 May 2021 19: 58
        -4
        Quote: ironic
        They are terribly frightened by the money they are going to knock out for this case. Now the questionable project for replacing the Minuteman is no longer worth it, and delays with Colombia are now classified as unacceptable and the dough for tactical hypersonic missiles will be dumped from the budget by mom, don't worry, but they screech because they want even more. They do not care if they anger someone with this or not. And not only Russians know what war is, and those who need to know about it among Russians know it. For yelling yells on the forums, this is not necessary. wink

        Is that all with you? Independent you are our .. wink Something short ..
        Whose are you Sasha?
        1. ironic
          ironic 5 May 2021 16: 44
          +2
          I have never hidden where I am from. From Israel. I wrote about this on the forum in almost the second posting, if my memory has not changed ...
          1. xorek
            xorek 5 May 2021 17: 13
            -2
            Quote: ironic
            I have never hidden where I am from. From Israel. I wrote about this on the forum in almost the second posting, if my memory has not changed ...

            Well, now I understand ...
            1. ironic
              ironic 5 May 2021 17: 31
              +3
              Unpatriotic. I understand...
              1. xorek
                xorek 5 May 2021 18: 15
                -1
                Quote: ironic
                Unpatriotic. I understand...

                You there in Israel are usually dependent on your ideology and dogmas .. It is difficult to communicate with you. (No offense) hi And judging by your rating, everything is so
                1. ironic
                  ironic 6 May 2021 00: 49
                  0
                  Well, it’s certainly not for you to talk about someone’s ideologized and dogmatic nature. And judging by my rating as well. And as one Russian Russian (he is now a citizen of the Russian Federation) from California noted and quite rightly, there is probably something wrong in our views, if we are the richest lands and subsoil in the world, not deprived of either brains or hands, we look at life not at all at the California level. wink
  • Old26
    Old26 4 May 2021 20: 58
    +4
    Quote: ironic
    Well, Mace is still not up to Trident D5 yet.

    It does not hold out, but it performs its functions. It is not yet clear what the Columbia's SLBM will have, but it is hardly heavier than the current Trident-2. It is possible that the throw weight will be higher, although this is still unknown.

    Quote: ironic
    And the Minuteman is actually no worse than the Topol-M, and his replacement will most likely be an even lighter rocket, but they do not need a heavy rocket in the ground component.

    The last heavy one they had was "Titan-2". Now they may well manage with ICBMs with a launch capacity of 35-50 tons. This will make it possible to make the rocket universal in its basing methods: in silos, on an auto chassis, on a railway platform. Although the last two options are not yet considered

    Quote: ironic
    And Sarmat is generally a surplus missile, solely for the sake of a political scarecrow, which will cost the Russian Federation dearly.

    Especially if we take into account those performance characteristics that are voiced (although the voiced performance characteristics are outrageous). Of course, it will be expensive, so the number of deployed "Sarmats" will be less than fifty
    1. ironic
      ironic 5 May 2021 17: 00
      +1
      I agree. After it has been brought and stabilized, it does it. At first, Colombia will have the same D5 LTE, E6 is planned for the middle of the series. They also changed from C4 to D5. The throw weight will likely change, but the range and accuracy will be the target of the next development. The Americans (and actually none of the owners of nuclear weapons in the West) see no point in creating megababs and focus on manufacturability, durability and scalability of solutions.

      This is exactly how it will be. The new ground-based ICBM will not be a heavy missile. Since START is unlikely to be canceled, the warhead limitation makes it unreasonable to create the next generation with the expectation of a large bus. But the range can be increased, so that the whole world is in sight from one point.

      I don't understand why the Russian Federation should make a substitute for Voevod. They remained on alert by the end of the USSR 46 near-megaton warheads on a flying column. 460 Yars or rockets of the next generation in this class could close the question on the number of combat heads, and the freed up resources would be better sent to replace Stiletto under the Vanguards. It's also an outdated liquid-propellant rocket from the megabhunted past. Moreover, in terms of the number of carriers, the Russian Federation has a sufficient corridor within the framework of the CMV. So Sarmat is a purely expensive scarecrow, which from the point of view of security, the Russian Federation does not need nafik, but from a political point of view, it plays exactly the opposite, does not scare (Voevods in the best times of the USSR should have scared more, but did not scare), but leads to inflate confrontation.
  • Sergey Morev
    Sergey Morev 5 May 2021 11: 11
    -2
    Lavrov's daughter, where does she live? In Voronezh?
  • Old26
    Old26 5 May 2021 14: 18
    +5
    Quote: Stas157
    I will have a childish answer, please do not judge strictly. My father is an engineer who worked on the production of these missiles. And then he said with pride more than once that the Americans could not shoot down the Voevoda, since after taking off, she makes a maneuver (before flying with a blank).

    I am not judging, Stas. Very often, those who create this or that product in iron "feed" on rumors that this is "another wunderwaffe", that it cannot be shot down, that it has an unpredictable maneuver, and so on. I never blamed people for this, for I myself heard from seemingly serious people that "we have such instruments and capabilities to deploy an enemy warhead in flight and send it to the starting point." At first, this is perceived with delight (especially if you are a schoolboy), then you start to think and understand that all this is just blah blah.
    "Voevoda" can be shot down, just like any other missile. Only this is VERY DIFFICULT, because to defeat only one missile, you will need a dozen or two interceptor missiles. About the maneuver. When loading a flight task into a rocket, specialists, with an accuracy of fractions of a second (not to mention degrees and minutes), also load the coordinates of the launch point and the finish point. The parameters of all maneuvers of the rocket itself are entered with the same high accuracy (pitching maneuver in a situation where the rocket lays down "on the course"). The maximum that is on the rocket is the steering motors, which are able to correct minor deflection of the rocket. And a breeding stage should be brought to a strictly calculated point, which then begins to "deliver" the warheads to targets
    If the rocket makes an "unpredictable maneuver", then there is no guarantee that the stage of disengagement will reach the point of the beginning of the 'delivery'. This means that such a missile will not hit the target either.
    Sorry, what I say is common truth, but ...
    1. ironic
      ironic 5 May 2021 17: 03
      +2
      I read you with interest, not because I do not know anything of what you describe, but because it is pleasant to read you because of the adequacy and consistency of thinking. Plus, definitely.
  • PROVINCIAL
    PROVINCIAL 5 May 2021 17: 56
    0
    In anticipation of the cut of the US defense budget ................