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"Three ships of ammunition": Bulgarian company EMCO has increased the defense capability of the Ukrainian army

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Bulgarian merchant weapons Emelyan Gebrev, who kept his weapons in military warehouses in Vrbetitsa, delivered "three ships of ammunition" to the Ukrainian armed forces. Ukrainian media write about this with reference to the investigation by The Insider, Der Spigel and the Bellingcat group.


The investigation found that Gebrev's company EMCO was selling ammunition to Ukraine at the end of 2014, thereby significantly increasing the defenses of the Ukrainian army during the "Russian invasion." The material says that this is confirmed by two Ukrainian sources close to the sphere of arms purchases.

The Bulgarian company confirms the supply of ammunition to Ukraine in 2014 and 2015, but does not provide details. In turn, one of the sources claims that a total of three ships of ammunition from EMCO were delivered to Ukraine, but details of this are not provided.

In addition to the fact of the supply of ammunition to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, The Insider, Der Spigel and Bellingcat "established" that the warehouses in the Czech Republic, where the ammunition of the Bulgarian company EMCO was stored, had been blown up by "GRU officers" who wanted to stop the supply. It was originally planned that the ammunition was to detonate after being moved to a warehouse in Bulgaria, but the explosives went off earlier.

Evidence of the involvement of the Russians, of course, has not been presented. As they say: highley like.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 3 May 2021 14: 20
    +4
    EXPORT of ammunition does not in any way enhance the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including defense capability.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 3 May 2021 14: 39
      +29
      This is to them: they know what and how to do
    2. 210ox
      210ox 3 May 2021 15: 25
      +3
      So which is better? APU with or without ammunition? If you think that it is all the same, then let me disagree.
    3. Clear
      Clear 3 May 2021 15: 41
      +12
      Quote: knn54
      EXPORT of ammunition does not in any way enhance the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including defense capability.

      At the same time, it increases the number of victims. Incl. and civilians.
    4. NF68
      NF68 3 May 2021 16: 51
      +6
      Quote: knn54
      EXPORT of ammunition does not in any way enhance the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including defense capability.


      But it increases the likelihood that on the territory of Ukraine there will again be something to burn and explode. Otherwise, it has become too boring for them to live lately.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 3 May 2021 14: 20
    +5
    Classic ... "What is your evidence ???"
    1. Anatoly 288
      Anatoly 288 3 May 2021 14: 33
      +4
      Boshirov and Petrov leave no evidence!
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 3 May 2021 14: 21
    +6
    Well ... there is something to live on ... wait they will resell and a penny will appear ... wink
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 May 2021 14: 50
      +3
      Quote: Mouse
      Well ... there is something to live on ... wait they will resell and a penny will appear ...

      There is a possibility that Emelyan Gebrev "punched" the Czechs, and they detonated his ammunition.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 3 May 2021 15: 22
        +11
        It turns out interesting! Boyan writes that Gebrev is a bad Bulgarian and an immoral type, an international arms dealer. Therefore, it is not necessary, they say, to pay attention to the fact that he supplied weapons to Ukraine for the war in Donbass - it was not Bulgaria that supplied. How should the expulsion of Russian diplomats be considered? Bulgarian by the government? And constant Russophobic attacks and setups Bulgarian governments? No, we understand that a vassal to the State Department bulgarian the government and the majority of Bulgarians, friendly to Russia and the Russians, are different concepts. But it won't take long to get Bulgaria into the list of countries unfriendly to Russia! With all the consequences due!
        1. Clear
          Clear 3 May 2021 15: 43
          +8
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          But it won't take long to get Bulgaria into the list of countries unfriendly to Russia! With all the consequences due!

          It is necessary to include Bulgaria. When changing policy, write out briefly yes
        2. pytar
          pytar 5 May 2021 12: 08
          -1
          Boyan writes that Gebrev is a bad Bulgarian and an immoral type, an international arms dealer. Therefore, it is not necessary, they say, to pay attention to the fact that he supplied weapons to Ukraine for the war in Donbass - it was not Bulgaria that supplied.

          Gebrev type is absolutely unpleasant to me! Like all others like him, including his Russian relatives! EMCO is a private company, trades, profit comes first. There is no morality in the gun business.
          How should the expulsion of Russian diplomats by the Bulgarian government be viewed?

          You are confusing, these are different cases! The previous year sent 2 Ross. diplomat directly involved and in connection with another spy scandal for the extraction of confidential information. Six terro Bulgarian citizens were involved in it, and they are being tried.
          And in the case of Gebrev, only 1 diplomat was sent. The actors had fake passports, they were identified as servants of one of the Ross. special departments.
          And the constant Russophobic attacks and bases of the Bulgarian government?

          “Russia is our friend, but I told them clearly that we have no espionage,” said the Prime Minister of Bulgaria Boyko Borisov.
          “We strive to develop equal and normal relations with Russia. But whenever the national security of Bulgaria is affected, we react. Today we will have a serious and hopefully honest conversation with the Ambassador of Russia, "- said Zakharieva / Minister of Internal Affairs /.
          “Fortunately, the Russian Federation now has a very serious ambassador to Bulgaria. Have a very honest, very frank conversation, "Borisov advised Minister Zakharieva.
          “I told them clearly - without espionage in Bulgaria, do not do such things. We will be uncompromising. "- explained Borisov.

          No, we understand that the Bulgarian government vassal to the State Department and the majority of Bulgarians friendly to Russia and the Russians are different concepts.

          Of course, the State Department is to blame for everything! And left-handed Ross. spies who have appeared all over the world too! You know, for this reason, even our Russophile ones began to think ...
          But it won't take long to get Bulgaria into the list of countries unfriendly to Russia!

          The USA writes lists, and the Russian Federation also writes lists. You better try to make friends, otherwise even among the traditionally friendly to Russian Bulgarians, doubts already arise ... If you are spying, but do it professionally, in Bulgaria they did not pay much attention to this activity of yours! Hear what your sonar reader says!
  4. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 3 May 2021 14: 23
    +16
    And we think, why do mortars explode at dill? You just have to pay money for the disposal of ammunition! And so they bring crap from all over the world!
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  5. iouris
    iouris 3 May 2021 14: 23
    +9
    Where did the ammunition of the three border military districts of the USSR go?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 3 May 2021 14: 32
      +5
      Quote: iouris
      Where did the ammunition of the three border military districts of the USSR go?

      On the territory of the Ukrainian SSR there were only two border districts ....
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 4 May 2021 07: 06
        +2
        Quote: Lara Croft
        There were only two border districts on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR ...

        No, no, THREE... Kiev, Carpathian and Odessa!
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 4 May 2021 12: 51
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: Lara Croft
          There were only two border districts on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR ...

          No, no, THREE... Kiev, Carpathian and Odessa!

          And only two border ...
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 4 May 2021 13: 01
            +1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            And only two border ones.

            hi pardonte .... from the border districts on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, I know only one-Western, and which second?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 4 May 2021 13: 50
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              from border districts on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR I know only one Western,

              It happens....
              At the time of the collapse of the USSR, there were two border In the USSR Armed Forces (and not border districts of the PV of the KGB of the USSR) - Odessa and Precarpathian, Kiev VO was internal ...
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 4 May 2021 12: 58
          0
          Quote: Serg65
          No, no, THREE... Kiev, Carpathian and Odessa!

          1. Serg65
            Serg65 4 May 2021 13: 12
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft


            Have you thrown off my map of military districts?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 4 May 2021 13: 52
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Have you thrown off my map of military districts?

              Yes ...
              At the time of the collapse of the USSR ...
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 3 May 2021 14: 41
      +3
      All that is drunk and prononono is spent on business
      Ukraine itself was actively selling the Soviet legacy! hi
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 May 2021 14: 42
      +5
      Quote: iouris
      Where did the ammunition of the three border military districts of the USSR go?

      Naturally sold, the goods are running. A lot of this from Oktyabskoye went to the East and Africa.
    4. Stepan S
      Stepan S 3 May 2021 14: 52
      +5
      Under Poroshenko, at least two large arsenals burned down and warehouses were burned in the troops. Tens of thousands of tons of ammunition were disposed of there.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 3 May 2021 16: 09
        +6
        Quote: Stepan S
        Under Poroshenko, at least two large arsenals burned down and warehouses were burned in the troops. Tens of thousands of tons of ammunition were disposed of there.

        Everything is correct. "Ends in the water" In this case, when stealing and embezzling, "Ends in the fire". And why shouldn't the Bulgarian act in the same way? I took the money, but the goods ... "the Russians burned it" (highlighted)
      2. mikstepanenko
        mikstepanenko 3 May 2021 17: 19
        +3
        Amendment. ALMOST EMPTY arsenals were burning. Ammunition from them was previously removed and sold. We left very little for pyrotechnic effects. Lozovaya had the largest ammunition depot, underground, designed for serious bombing. An entire train could go underground for loading. So there, any grandmother in the bazaar knew that these echelons with ammunition continuously left for several months. Then the remnants were blown up. They blamed it on the lit grass, the incendiary device was naturally dropped by a Russian drone.
    5. Clear
      Clear 3 May 2021 15: 44
      +5
      Quote: iouris
      Where did the ammunition of the three border military districts of the USSR go?

      This is how they have been fighting since the collapse of the USSR to the present.
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 4 May 2021 14: 37
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Where did the ammunition of the three border military districts of the USSR go?

      Yes, on the territory of the One Moldavian SSR and Donbass, how many were there (including reserves not only of regional significance), one "reserve" V and VT departed, somehow the Russian Federation together with the 14th OA (as "ancient Sumerians" it was allowed), others are not currently controlled by Ukraine ...
      I found a good article (thanks to an incredulous forum user -
      Serg65 (Sergey)) about the air defense of the USSR Armed Forces ...
      https://travelel.ru/voennye-okruga-sssr-v-1990-godu-na-karte
  6. xorek
    xorek 3 May 2021 14: 24
    +4
    Evidence of the involvement of the Russians, of course, has not been presented. As they say: highley like.

    Can Bulgaria surrender to the Turks? Let them remember history .. hi negative
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 14: 37
      +5
      Can Bulgaria surrender to the Turks? Let them remember history ..

      ferret, but we can look around and understand that nothing depends on you, well, except for writing nonsense on the forums ... No.
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      2. xorek
        xorek 3 May 2021 15: 01
        -1
        Quote: pytar
        Can Bulgaria surrender to the Turks? Let them remember history ..

        ferret, but we can look around and understand that nothing depends on you, well, except for writing nonsense on the forums ... No.

        Well, if there is such a reaction from the Bulgarians .. I think I wrote it for a reason! And why let the Turks hang themselves again negative Can you understand and teach history.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 14
          0
          Ferret, I somehow feel sorry for the Russians, otherwise I would have sent you to ... the Mongols.
          1. Sergey84
            Sergey84 3 May 2021 15: 27
            +2
            And where are the Mongols now, and where are the Turks ...
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 47
              -1
              And what - where are the Mongols? Where they lived and live there. And the Turks - it seems to me that the chuckling of the Turks somehow ended badly since the 18th century at least.
              1. gsev
                gsev 4 May 2021 00: 53
                +2
                Quote: Mac Sim
                And the Turks - it seems to me that the chuckling of the Turks somehow ended badly since the 18th century at least.

                Turkish statehood was already in decline in the 13th century. However, after that, the Turks became the most dominant force in Europe in less than a century, defeating the former great military states: Byzantium and Hungary. Over the past 10 years, Turkey has become the dominant power from Kazakhstan to Libya. Even in France, pro-Turkish forces thwarted attempts by the French state to influence the results of the October Armenian-Azerbaijani war. So do not be too frivolous about the likelihood of a second Turkish yoke for Bulgaria. Armenians just half a year ago laughed at the weakness of Azerbaijan's military machine. In November, they lost all the gold mines and the most fertile valleys in Karabakh. At present, Aliyev has voiced his claims to all Armenian lands up to Lake Sevan and to the territories of Armenia bordering on Iran.
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 4 May 2021 11: 16
                  0
                  You don't know much about the history of Turkey. From the 13th to the 16th century, the Turkish state was on the rise - Bulgaria, Serbia, Byzantium, the independent rulers of the Balkan Peninsula and Asia Minor, Syria and Egypt with Meka and Medina fell successively. The Ottoman Empire became a sick person for Europe, when it turned out that she did not have time to compete with the latter in terms of industrial development. And until the 15th century, the same Europe had to wrinkle the muscles of the backside and collect from the world out of a scumbag in order to put together something representative. Vienna and Lepanto confirm this. Only the united forces had time to contain Porto. Until the 17th century, Russia and Crimea could not do anything sensibly, because Istanbul was behind the Crimea. And then it was a matter of technology.
                  As for Armenia, the principle that the primary task is to destroy the enemy's alliances has been banally realized there. The army and desires for revenge of Azerbaijan are secondary. It would have been impossible for the Armenians to have a better result than we have now in Pashinyan's Yerevan. But when you have Gorbachov at the helm, then you whine that Bulgaria has betrayed you and has always fought against you.
                  As for Bulgaria itself - no one in their right mind would occupy Bulgaria - why? Turkey is already feeling well. Even if it occupies southern Bulgaria, it will receive little. And the population and resources of the acquired territories are not enough to pay off, and then the money must be invested. Yes, and now there are no such contradictions between Bulgaria and Turkey that would unleash wars. So while the second yoke is postponed for later.
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 3 May 2021 16: 40
            +3
            Quote: Mac Sim
            Ferret, I somehow feel sorry for the Russians

            Have pity on yourself ...
            otherwise I would send you to ... the Mongols

            Those who were in Russia without a visa are already rotting in the ground, if you mean the Mongolian People's Republic, then the SA left there 30 years ago ... hello to the pro-Turkish party in the Bulgarian parliament ...
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 May 2021 16: 54
              -1
              hello to the pro-Turkish party in the Bulgarian parliament ...

              Why are you so happy? Is the new Ottoman Empire good for you? request
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 3 May 2021 17: 37
                0
                Quote: pytar
                Why are you so happy? Is the new Ottoman Empire good for you? request

                Before the Turks realize that there will be no New Ottoman Empire they will have time to assimilate the Bulgarians into it ...
                1. pytar
                  pytar 3 May 2021 18: 08
                  0
                  Before the Turks understand that there will be no New Ottoman Empire, they will have time to assimilate the Bulgarians into it ...

                  Lara won't have time, won't have time ... You shouldn't hope! No. By the way, wishing evil to others, you cover bad karma on yourself ...
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 3 May 2021 18: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    Lara won't have time, won't have time ... You shouldn't hope!

                    As a well-known and few respected politician said: "The process has begun ...."
                    wishing evil to others, you cover bad karma on yourself ...

                    I'm a good forum member (like most people here), and you "mow" under it, and no karma is provided by my religion .... let's tie it up with hard drugs ...
                    It is better to send a video with only Maria Pevchikh, without any "researchers" (I'm afraid to say more rudely), I liked it very much, it will be a pity if the Turks also assimilate her ...
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 3 May 2021 20: 42
                      -1
                      As a well-known and few respected politician said: "The process has begun ...."

                      Do not believe politicians, they will be deceived. bully
                      I'm a good forum member ...

                      Good evil does not want, but evil rushes with you, ash rejoice! Gloating is called.
                      and no karma is provided for by my religion

                      religions are different, but karma is inevitable, no matter what is written in which religion.
                      let's quit hard drugs ...

                      a maximum of a cup of beer and then once a week. I do not use any other harmful substances. and I advise you ... even though it's up to you.
                  2. Serg65
                    Serg65 4 May 2021 07: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    Lara won't have time, won't have time ... You shouldn't hope

                    Are you going to call Russia for help again?
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 4 May 2021 10: 01
                      0
                      Unlikely. Although Russia itself will have problems with the Turks. It all depends on who will be interesting. I will say one thing the Turks will try, they will probably wring out something, but they will not succeed in their plans, they will succeed like Hitler.
                    2. Maksim
                      Maksim 4 May 2021 11: 23
                      -1
                      Will you come? I am tormented by vague doubts (s).
                      Lara Croft, don't worry about Masha Singers. The Turks have already assimilated to ... heaps of Russians in resorts and in general. One more, one less weather does not.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 17: 41
                -2
                Quote: pytar
                Why are you so happy? Is the new Ottoman Empire good for you?

                There is such a saying, in spite of my neighbor I will frostbitten my ears!
                1. pytar
                  pytar 3 May 2021 18: 05
                  -1
                  There is such a saying, in spite of my neighbor I will frostbitten my ears!

                  We have a similar one. laughing
                  A man went to the Lord and asks: "Lord, I am poor, hungry, naked, barefoot, do something good for me!" The gentlemen replied: “Okay, but what I will do for you, I will do more for your neighbor!” He thought: “If I ask 1000 levs, the neighbor will get 2000, if I ask for a cornfield of 100 decar, the neighbor 200!” And this petitioner said: "Lord, pluck out one of my eyes!"
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 18: 19
                    +1
                    I don’t understand at all, what are we to divide between ordinary people here? Yesterday, for the sake of interest, I looked at your property, I don't understand why, but your housing is cheaper than ours in the Krasnodar Territory, especially by the sea.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 3 May 2021 18: 26
                      +3
                      There is nothing to share, just some have nothing to do. laughing And we can work with this ?!
                      There are all sorts of different things about real estate. The topic is very large-scale! hi
              3. gsev
                gsev 4 May 2021 01: 05
                0
                Quote: pytar
                Is the new Ottoman Empire good for you?

                Turkey's interests extend to Yakutia and Manchuria. But in Russia it is hoped that they extend from Macedonia. In this light, we hope that the Turkish threat will slightly force Bulgaria to save ammunition for a possible war in Macedonia or directly in Bulgaria.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 May 2021 10: 10
                  -1
                  Turkey claims huge territories, most of them are located in Russia and Central Asia. Obviously, Russia and Bulgaria have common interests, but there is really no contradiction, with the exception of the minute political blah-blah-blah. As events unfold, I believe an improvement in relations up to allied, together with a group of Balkan countries.
                  1. stas-xnumx
                    stas-xnumx 4 May 2021 15: 04
                    +1
                    Your words, but who should be in the ears .... And so, I'm all for it!
        2. ironic
          ironic 3 May 2021 16: 15
          -6
          Who else to hand over to whom? And who along the roads to see the crosses? And in the stoves? And in mass graves? History? Not? request
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      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 3 May 2021 15: 49
        -5
        Quote: pytar
        ferret, but we can look around and understand that nothing depends on you, well, except for writing nonsense on the forums ... No.

        ABOUT! The offended Bulgarian immediately began to have good Russian grammar and spelling ... otherwise everything under the "Bulgarian" mows ... someone who does not know Russian well or who writes through a Yandex translator .... passing in a dialogue with an opponent to you ...
        ferret, can you look around and understand that nothing depends on you

        Let's listen to the "Bulgarian" on that he can personally influence foreign policy ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 3 May 2021 16: 17
          -4
          Oak immediately saw great-power chauvinism cut through. I did not write patriotically, I didn’t shout ... negative
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        3. pytar
          pytar 3 May 2021 17: 02
          +5
          The offended Bulgarian ...

          Yes, not offended, I'm laughing here at the "wisdom" of some members of the forum! lol
          good Russian grammar and spelling immediately cut through ... otherwise everything under the "Bulgarian" mows ... poorly knowledgeable Russian or writing through a Yandex translator .... passing in a dialogue with an opponent on you ...

          Russian wife, corrects from time to time. I will say that I was praised. laughing
          I can write in colloquial Bulgarian, not a single Yandex will translate it, it's a pity ... it's forbidden by the rules of the site. laughing
          Let's listen to the "Bulgarian" on what he can personally influence in foreign policy ....

          I have no such goals. I like communicating with normal people, there are some here and there, that's right. yes
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 May 2021 14: 52
      0
      Quote: xorek
      Can Bulgaria surrender to the Turks?

      It is better to "surrender" the Czechs to the Turks, the Bulgarians are silent, but the Czechs did not hit their mouths on the point.
      1. xorek
        xorek 3 May 2021 15: 03
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: xorek
        Can Bulgaria surrender to the Turks?

        It is better to "surrender" the Czechs to the Turks, the Bulgarians are silent, but the Czechs did not hit their mouths on the point.

        No, we will deal with the Czechs ourselves Vlad !! hi
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: xorek
          No, we will deal with the Czechs ourselves Vlad !!

          Just out of curiosity, I ask why the Turks are closer to the Bulgarians?
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 3 May 2021 18: 56
            +7
            Probably because the Turks cannot betray? They have been enemies and competitors for hundreds of years. Now we have a relationship with them, but if they break them, then nothing will change for us. We never believed them anyway. And we considered the Bulgarians brothers and helped them. And when the brothers hit in the back and betray, abuse our monuments or supply weapons to our enemies, it hurts for us. You can only betray once. And there is only one way out - you can never trust them again. It is much more correct to establish relations with the Turks. They understand their interests and you can negotiate profitably with them. And what to negotiate with the Bulgarians? There was a southern stream, which was beneficial to us and to them. But 2 US senators arrived and there is no South Stream. Moreover, they were not even given anything in return. They just patted me on the cheek. request
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 20: 01
              0
              Quote: g1v2
              And we considered the Bulgarians brothers and helped them ...

              And then we betrayed them, as did the rest of the Warsaw Pact countries and the CMEA, Cuba, Vietnam, and many others. Only so that today's Potanins-Mordashevs-Rotenbergs could buy new yachts for themselves. You have a short memory, have you forgotten? Now tell me about the betrayal of Bulgarians, Czechs or Slovaks!
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 4 May 2021 01: 27
                +3
                Easily. When the USSR became economically impoverished and could no longer subsidize the economy of the vassals, they quickly found a new owner. Well, that's okay - it's a natural process. But attempts to shit on the weakened bear, they were stupid. Just because the bear did not die, but got to his feet. And I hope I haven't forgotten anything. And in the future he will defend only his own interests, and not all sorts of brothers. They made their choice - it has consequences.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 06: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: g1v2
                  Easily. When the USSR became economically impoverished and could no longer subsidize the economy of the vassals, they quickly found a new owner.

                  What grade were you kicked out of school? Or have you already studied under the Russian Federation? Have you even passed the exam? This is when the USSR became impoverished, if your idols have not been able to steal its legacy for 30 years? Wherever you spit, from space to the army, we are modernizing all Soviet developments. Have you developed and implemented a lot of Russian things over 30 years?
                  Quote: g1v2
                  But attempts to shit on the weakened bear, they were stupid.

                  Your symbol of "United Russia" has done quite independently. And he did it everywhere, from Ukraine to Vietnam. And most of all he did it in domestic politics.
                  Quote: g1v2
                  Just because the bear did not die, but got to his feet.

                  This is what is happening today in your opinion called "got on his feet"? And in my opinion, he (a symbol of your idols) is liquidly dressed up on all fronts, in foreign policy, in the economy and in domestic politics. And he is not going to get out of this well-known substance, apparently you and your idols like it there. The bottom is given out for an unprecedented rise, it's necessary! For whom do you take the members of the forum?
                  Quote: g1v2
                  And in the future he will defend only his own interests, and not all sorts of brothers.

                  A resource-based economy serving the interests of economically more developed countries does not and cannot have any significant interests. On TV, even on May 9, they did not say about the surrender of Berlin! Apparently they are afraid of offending the "German partners", it is surprising that they did not cancel May XNUMX and did not postpone it to September "as partners"
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 4 May 2021 16: 50
                    +1
                    For your entire speech, I can only understand that just then you either did not live or lived in a vacuum. I advise you to read the materials of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee and what the Central Committee discussed then. Already at the beginning of the 80s, the USSR went abruptly into an economic crisis. JUST BECAUSE THE USSR SITTED ON A RAW NEEDLE. And with this money for years he bought grain and consumer goods from his opponents. The wise hands of Gorbachev, Ryzhkov, etc., aggravated him even more. You probably didn’t stand in line for hours to buy stupid sausages. Didn't spend the night in a truck in another city in line for a shitty closet and so on. You still have popular ideas about the USSR as a wonderful past. Now Lidov and Puchkov are recording videos where they simply list the events of the 80s. So I remember them and went through a lot. I advise you to look. And then find the materials of the Central Committee and see what and how the then leadership of the USSR discussed. And the question of why the USSR died for you will become absolutely clear.
                    As for today, I can say with confidence that they have never lived better than now in our country. Yes, in 13 it was better, but certainly not up to GDP. hi
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 17: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: g1v2
                      I advise you to read the materials of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee and what the Central Committee discussed then.

                      My gold, I read so many of them in due time when I was preparing for the exams.
                      Quote: g1v2
                      Already in the early 80s, the USSR went into an abrupt economic crisis.

                      The average annual growth rate of national income during this period was 3,5%. If this is a crisis, then what has the Russian Federation had for the last 30 years?
                      Quote: g1v2
                      JUST BECAUSE THE USSR IS TIGHTLY SITTING ON A RAW NEEDLE. And with this money for years he bought grain and consumer goods from his opponents.

                      Look at the export statistics of those years, what is the share of mineral raw materials? Consumer goods of the USSR were bought within the framework of the CMEA, for rubles. And he was selling machine tools, airplanes, etc. there. Someone is now trading for rubles? The USSR bought fodder grain because animal husbandry was very well developed, there was not enough of its own sown area.
                      Quote: g1v2
                      The wise hands of Gorbachev, Ryzhkov, etc., aggravated him even more.

                      I have little interest in your liberal idols.
                      Quote: g1v2
                      You probably didn’t stand in line for hours to buy stupid sausages. Didn't spend the night in a truck in another city in line for a shitty closet and so on.

                      Soviet furniture could always be bought without a queue; imported furniture was booked in advance, usually at factories. As for the sausage, in Armavir there was always boiled water in stores (with and without fat), it was always chopped ham at 3.50, I don’t remember half-smoked ham, in my opinion it was not always. It was the same in Navoi, and I have never eaten such delicious sausage as in Namangan (capital). Lines began under Gorbachev, first for vodka, and then for everything else.
                      Quote: g1v2
                      Now Lidov and Puchkov are recording videos where they simply list the events of the 80s. So I remember them and went through a lot.

                      And I remember them, the USSR was destroyed by those who wanted to put public property in their pockets, they did it and rule, and you serve them faithfully. And they began to prepare all this at the end of the Brezhnev era.
                      Quote: g1v2
                      As for today, I can say with confidence that they have never lived better than now in our country.

                      Look out the window, go to the store, ask about work, where are required and how much they pay.
                      1. g1v2
                        g1v2 Yesterday, 23: 35
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                        Вам для этих самых экзаменов давали идеологически выверенную и нарезанную жвачку. Как всегда на истории партии и научном коммунизме. Пустую болтологию . Материалы ЦК и что они обсуждали опубликовали сравнительно недавно. Кстати все выжившие фигуранты типа Горбатого их подтвердили. request
                        Про приписки никогда не слышали? На бумаге планы выполнялись и перевыполнялись. Вот только они так на бумаге и оставались.
                        Никогда не слышали про 7 парадоксов жизни в СССР? Напомню, как тогда говорили.
                        1. There is no unemployment, but no one works.
                        2. Никто не работает. но план выполняется.
                        3. The plan is being implemented, but there is nothing in the stores.
                        4. В магазинах ничего нет, но туда стоят огромные очереди.
                        5. Стоят огромные очереди , но мы идем к изобилию.
                        6. Мы идем к изобилию, но народ недоволен.
                        7. Народ недоволен, но голосует за.
                        Похоже вы вообще ничего не понимаете в тогдашней экономике. Ладно поясню. Советский союз покупал товары союзников за переводные рубли и поставлял взамен по дешевке энергоносители . Это верно. Невыгодна было нам по экономике , но оправданно политически. Но вот с западом он торговал именно углеводородами за валюту и покупал взамен их пшеницу в Канаде и США и ширпотреб в Европе. Плюс по возможности за валюту покупали станки и технологии. Иногда целые заводы. Но в основном именно первые позиции. Валюта уходила на это. И когда саудиты обвалили цены , то приток валюты обмелел, а расходы остались. ЗВР проели именно так. request
                        Про мебель и колбасу. Про очередь за хреновым шкафом , где ночевал в грузовике в другом городе я уже сказал. Про колбасу. Есть у нас в Питере известный магазин "Народный". В 80-х это был универсам им Осипенко. 87 год. Стоит час толпа перед пустым прилавком. Я в ней. В 15-00 открывается окошко и на прилавок выкидывается несколько перемотанных пленкой кусков колбасы и сыра. Толпа налетает и через несколько минут ничего уже нет. Это Ленинград - высшая категория снабжения. Тч когда вы мне начинаете рассказывать про советское изобилие мне это напоминает бред. belay
                        Я инженер. Работаю на крупном предприятии. Так , как я живу сейчас при СССР я жить точно не мог. У меня есть образование и навыки и в жизни я точно не пропаду. Мои подчиненные без образования все живут неплохо. Все купили квартиры в ипотеку. Даже парни с Донбасса , уехавшие в чужой город от войны. ТРЕБУЕТСЯ - МНОГО КТО И ГДЕ. Например, дорожные рабочие требуются во всех регионах.Операторы на пр-ва. Если умеете работать руками , то работу всегда найдете. А если еще образование и навыки есть - тем более. От 8 до 12 миллионов гастарбайтеров из других республик бывшего союза приезжают сюда НА ЗАРАБОТКИ. Из другой , блин, страны, бросив семьи и дом. Многие языка не знают. Именно потому что тут можно заработать. Они получают меньше , чем граждане России. С них берут плату за патент . Они нередко подвергаются поборам. И едут миллионами. И вот ваши жалобы для них имеют только одно наименование. "Зажрались". hi
                2. pytar
                  pytar 4 May 2021 10: 32
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                  When the USSR became economically impoverished and could no longer subsidize the economy of the vassals, they quickly found a new owner.

                  Here is rushing out of you is an imperial way of thinking! It's amazing how much it distorts the picture of the world! belay
                  The USSR, for the right of the winner, brought its own socio-economic system, its own orders, into the BE without alternatives, without the right to choose. This system turned out to be ineffective, it needed constant subsidies. The raw materials on which the USSR was rich became the basis of subsidies. The USSR essentially subsidized its own system, in BE it did not take root, there the peoples did not like autocracy! As soon as the world moved to a higher technological level and prices fell on the harsh, the whole system reeled! The USSR abandoned it, followed the path of capitalism! All the countries of the BE, have chosen this path! What kind of owner are we talking about if Russia is no different to the EE countries, well, except for the strong concentration of capital and the authoritarianism of government? What is today's Russia an example for someone else?
                  Okay, you haven’t been feeding the "vasals" for 30 years, so what? Get rich a lot, is life better? I visit Russia regularly, I don't see anything like that! Probably still feed someone, and they are ... very greedy ...
                  And in the future he will defend only his own interests, and not all sorts of brothers.

                  So it has always been so in all times! Throw away the mask, in politics everyone has always been guided and will be guided only by their own interests! Russia, the USSR is not an exclusion!
                  They made their choice - it has consequences.

                  It's their choice, it's not up to you to decide! Leave them alone accordingly. Enough podilatsya to everyone and for any reason! Streamline your country, you have a lot of things wrong.
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 4 May 2021 09: 25
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                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                And then we betrayed them

                And how? Have you stopped building factories and factories for a penny, have stopped supplying oil and timber in exchange for canned vegetables and cigarettes?
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Only so that today's Potanins-Mordashevs-Rotenbergs could buy new yachts for themselves.

                Not! Just to gorge on sausages, gum, smoke Marlboro and wear jeans ... and this is more freedom, more freedom! And the Potanins-Mordashevs-Rotenbergs are a by-product of our Wishlist! We all ... and even the Bulgarians ... all wanted to be like in the West, but that social sphere was all the same free ... like in the USSR!
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Now tell me about the betrayal of Bulgarians, Czechs or Slovaks!

                Do you have a short memory?
                On March 16, 1909, Russia actually bought the independence of Bulgaria, providing the Bulgarian principality with a preferential loan, as a result of which Bulgaria ceased to be a vassal principality of Turkey and became a completely independent Bulgarian kingdom! A loan of 82 million francs was provided for 75 years, Bulgaria only repaid 11 million francs from this loan!
                October 6, 1915 ...
                Memoirs of the Secretary of the Russian Embassy in Bulgaria Yu.V. Sabler ..
                It was hard to watch the unfolding mobilization. These masses of Bulgarians, who must fight against us, must stand under their banners alongside the Germans. Since the delivery of the ultimatum, none of us have shown themselves on the street. Our ardent Russophile friends hid like mice.

                On September 5, 1942, the Soviet consulate in Varna was closed, and on September 15 of the same year, materials were removed from it, which were then demonstrated at an anti-Soviet exhibition!
                On March 29, 2009 Bulgaria, fearing for its security (from whom?) Joins NATO.
                And the Czechs and Slovaks ... for the American buns in 1968 ..
                From the bottom of my heart I say thank you to the Bulgarians for the memory of the Russian wars that died during the liberation of Bulgaria from the Turkish yoke, but at the same time my heart breaks from the inscriptions "Death to the invaders! Death to communism" on the monument to Soviet soldiers in Dobrich and the disfigured obelisk on the brotherly the grave of Soviet soldiers in Sofia !!!
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 09: 39
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                  Quote: Serg65
                  And how?

                  And as Yugoslavia was betrayed, so did the rest.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Not! Just to gorge on sausages, gum, smoke Marlboro and wear jeans ... and this is more freedom, more freedom! And the Potanins-Mordashevs-Rotenbergs are a by-product of our Wishlist!

                  You are confusing cause and effect. Maybe you forgot Yakovlev? magazine "Ogonyok"? Solzhenitsyn? So don’t lie, the USSR was destroyed by those who wanted to put public property in private pockets. And the people were driven to riots by the deficit artificially created under Gorbachev. I have a good memory.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  On March 16, 1909, Russia actually bought the independence of Bulgaria ...
                  You still remember Svyatoslav's campaigns in Bulgaria.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  March 29, 2009 Bulgaria, fearing for its security (from whom?) Joins NATO
                  For Yugoslavia, I wrote to you above. There was no one to fear? Gorbachev's USSR would not have betrayed the CMEA and OVD countries, they would not have had to join NATO.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 4 May 2021 11: 40
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                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    And as Yugoslavia was betrayed, so did the rest.

                    what You do not confuse Yugoslavia with the rest! Yugoslavia has always been on its own mind and before its collapse it was deeply from the bell tower to the problems of the USSR and Russia!
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    So don’t lie, the USSR was destroyed by those who wanted to put public property in private pockets. And the people were driven to riots by the deficit artificially created under Gorbachev.

                    The people raised on the ideas of Lenin and Marx, who knew the communist code by heart, idolized their idols, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Oleg Koshevoy, Alexander Matrosov ... calmly swallowed the dissolution of the CPSU, the independence of the RSFSR from the USSR, i.e. a finger on a finger that would save the country and there is no need to sculpt the Humpbacked, Yakovlev, Shmakovlev ... who, besides Umalatova, opposed Gorbachev's betrayal?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    I have a good memory.

                    Well, if it's so good, can you remember what you were doing during August 1991?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    You still remember Svyatoslav's campaigns in Bulgaria.

                    Okay, let's talk from 2004 ... okay?
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    For Yugoslavia, I wrote to you above

                    what Where? You just asked ... I answered you!
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    they would have to join NATO.

                    Those. when Russia is strong, then you can suck her tit for free, and as soon as weakened, you can kick it ..... but che..n’t we, Russia is like that ... we’re not in business here at all! Cool!!!
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 12: 21
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                      Quote: Serg65
                      calmly swallowed the dissolution of the CPSU, the independence of the RSFSR from the USSR, i.e. he didn't touch his finger to save the country and there is no need to sculpt the Humpbacked, Yakovlevs, Shmakovlevs ..

                      I don’t want to discuss this vomit. If you did not live at that time and do not remember the late USSR, then do not write such nonsense. Or at least read the documents about that time. There is no need to shift the blame of the present "prehizators" onto the people. You will bring the people, and then you will ask, "What is it for us?"
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Those. when Russia is strong, then you can suck her tit for free,

                      And who from the CMEA countries "sucked the USSR's tit for free"? Ask your parents whose furniture was in the apartment, on whose planes the cadets learned to fly, on whose buses they traveled from city to city, etc.
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Okay, let's talk from 2004 ... okay?

                      Let's talk, the two caps of the country are acting in their own interests. The governments of both countries do not care about their people. Anything else to say? Only in Bulgaria there is no political repression, like in our country, there is no imprisonment there for actions permitted under the constitution. Bulgaria is not slipping into some kind of wild feudalism, they do not vote on stumps for three days, they have no "zeroes", what else can I say?
                      Quote: Serg65
                      You do not confuse Yugoslavia with the rest! Yugoslavia has always been on her mind ..

                      So that is why the Gorbachev-Yeltsin regime betrayed her?
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 4 May 2021 12: 54
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                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        This vomit, but I don't want to discuss

                        And then, not in color, right?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        If you did not live at that time and do not remember the late USSR

                        lol I don’t remember too late ... but do you remember that?
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Only in Bulgaria there is no political repression, like in our country, they are not imprisoned there for actions permitted under the constitution

                        laughing You sing beautifully! Where is it written in the constitution that you can call for riots and illegal actions? Yes, by the way, here your client is not bad about "komunyag" sings, you will already hear it !!!
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        something else to say?

                        Tell us about Platoshkin ... where do you choose such leaders for yourself?
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 13: 00
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        And then, not in color, right?

                        Into the crap.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        You sing beautifully! Where is it written in the constitution that you can call for riots and illegal actions? Yes, by the way, here your client is not bad about "komunyag" sings, you will already hear it !!!

                        Remind you of freedom of assembly? And who called for riots and illegal actions?
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Tell us about Platoshkin ... where do you choose such leaders for yourself?

                        Platoshkin is not my leader, but what can you say bad about him?
                      3. Serg65
                        Serg65 4 May 2021 13: 09
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                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Remind you of freedom of assembly?

                        What's the problem? Apply by law and get ready!
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Platoshkin is not my leader, but what can you say bad about him?

                        A liar and a bawdy!
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 13: 23
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        What's the problem? Apply by law and get ready!

                        Are you kidding me?
                      5. Serg65
                        Serg65 4 May 2021 13: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Are you kidding me?

                        Absolutely not!
                        You are still in prison, although you water the authorities with dung well!
                      6. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 15: 15
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        You are still in prison, although you water the authorities with dung well!

                        So she herself climbed into the manure and feels great there, I did not drag her there. Or will you tell me now about the "unprecedentedly high rating" of the United Russia party?
                      7. Serg65
                        Serg65 5 May 2021 07: 47
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                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Platoshkin is not my leader

                        And who is your leader, Alexey?
                      8. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 5 May 2021 23: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        And who is your leader, Alexey?

                        Why do you think I need it?
        2. pytar
          pytar 4 May 2021 18: 50
          -1
          Alex, the more I read your posts, so much more respect you cause! hi Cut the truth to the uterus, neither subtract nor add! good Although ... you can't show a blind person, you can't tell a deaf person ... yes
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 19: 10
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          Quote: pytar
          Aleksey, the more I read your posts, you evoke so much more respect!

          Thank you.
          Quote: pytar
          Although ... you can't show a blind person, you can't tell a deaf person ...

          This is so if I had known earlier that the Pravda newspaper wrote the truth.)))
          If you knew the questions that our VTsIOM asks, at least stand there, at least fall.
          "Should there be a strong leader in Russia who will not have to reckon with the institutions of parliament and elections?"
          "Is Russia's success included in God's plan?"
          I'm not even afraid to guess what this might lead to.
        4. Serg65
          Serg65 5 May 2021 07: 50
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          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Thank you.

          laughing Well, an ardent emo-communist and an ardent Russophobe, who is also an ardent anti-communist, tenderly merged in an embrace on the basis of mutual hatred of Russia! Well, in principle, this was to be expected!
          Good luck to you, gentlemen, in your difficult struggle !!!
        5. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 5 May 2021 23: 03
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          Well, an ardent emo-communist and an ardent Russophobe, who is also an ardent anti-communist, tenderly merged in an embrace on the basis of mutual hatred of Russia! Well, in principle, this was to be expected!
          Good luck to you, gentlemen, in your difficult struggle !!!

          I have always known that unfinished fascists are famous for their oslowness.
        6. Serg65
          Serg65 Yesterday, 09: 34
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          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          unfinished fascists are famous for their oslomy.

          what A fascist because he is intolerant? Well, call me! laughing
  7. Serg65
    Serg65 5 May 2021 07: 53
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    Quote: pytar
    Cut the truth to the uterus, neither subtract nor add!

    what Those. in Alexei, are you ready to forgive his adherence to the accursed and so hated by you communism? Why so?
  8. pytar
    pytar 5 May 2021 09: 11
    +1
    Those. in Alexei, are you ready to forgive his adherence to the accursed and so hated by you communism? Why so?

    I respect Alexey for his honesty and high intelligence! And he also has a deep, unbiased knowledge of history! This is in stark contrast to some of the others here. It is pleasant to communicate with smart people, it turns out that the exchange of knowledge is mutually beneficial! And the fact that different people have some difference in beliefs is normal! hi
  9. Serg65
    Serg65 5 May 2021 09: 16
    -1
    Quote: pytar
    deep unbiased knowledge of history

    laughing Does he know the story? Oh, don’t tell my slippers! Although ... your knowledge is very similar to his. And your closeness is based on mutual hatred for Russia, that's a fact!
    Quote: pytar
    I respect Alexey

    Advice to you, love!
    hi
  10. pytar
    pytar 5 May 2021 10: 12
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    And your closeness is based on mutual hatred for Russia, that's a fact!

    For people of your kind, it is very typical to put power = Russia... And fair criticism, you call "hatred"... In short, a totally confused worldview. Black and white, therefore, does not correlate with reality. Nothing that goes beyond this narrow thinking is beyond your reach.
  11. Serg65
    Serg65 5 May 2021 10: 24
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    Quote: pytar
    A fair criticism, you call "hate."

    I do not see fair criticism, I see only one thing ... to blame, to blame. guilty and guilty again ... is this criticism?
    Quote: pytar
    Nothing that goes beyond this narrow thinking is beyond your reach.

    laughing Those. when I answer your fantasies, backed up by the words of the same dreamers, with real dates, events and surnames .. then I have a confused worldview, black-and-white perception of the world and a break with reality .... but who among us is not available? You don't even want to know the history of your country, preferring to draw on knowledge based on someone else's opinion of engaged pseudo-historians, and you tell me about some kind of inaccessibility?
    Boyan, and if I began to scold the Russian authorities ... would I become available to you?
  12. pytar
    pytar 5 May 2021 11: 42
    +1
    I see no fair criticism ..

    You will not show the blind ... laughing
    You don't even want to know the history of your country ...

    Are you talking about yourself? Yes?
    Boyan, and if I began to scold the Russian authorities ... would I become available to you?

    Power is not a deity, one must be critical of it! By and large, all problems come from her! I am no less critical of our government! At least we can change it and change it when the top is too arrogant!
  13. Serg65
    Serg65 5 May 2021 12: 10
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    Quote: pytar
    At least we can change it and change it when the top is too arrogant!

    what and what has changed?
  14. pytar
    pytar 5 May 2021 21: 18
    +1
    and what has changed?

    Sergei, everything is changing! Nothing in this world stands still! And this is how it is with us, and where the power is irreplaceable, nothing changes, if it changes, then to the bad ...
  • pytar
    pytar 4 May 2021 11: 02
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    And how? Have you stopped building factories and factories for a penny, have stopped supplying oil and timber in exchange for canned vegetables and cigarettes?

    You came uninvited, introduced your system! But! We considered you brothers, we took everything that came from you unconditionally! We learned from you! At one point, you said - "Stop, this system does not work! Everything we taught you was wrong! We abandon it and start building a new one - the West is no longer an enemy, but a friend! You are not interesting to us, do as you want."
    And while Sergey is making faces, you are offended ... Believe me, you do not arouse any respect for yourself!
    On March 16, 1909, Russia actually bought the independence of Bulgaria, providing the Bulgarian principality with a preferential loan, as a result of which Bulgaria ceased to be a vassal principality of Turkey and became a completely independent Bulgarian kingdom! A loan of 82 million francs was provided for 75 years, Bulgaria only paid out 11 million francs from this loan! October 6, 1915 ...

    Here I am very interested, Sergei, you have bothered to find the info, but for some reason not completely! The loan of 82 million was indirect, Russia bought the Turkish debt from France, and Bulgaria had to pay the ego. And so it happened. And Bulgaria paid out of the ordinary, before the start of WWI!
    During the war, of course, we were the foremen, payments stopped. After the creation of the USSR, Bulgaria was ready to continue with payments! But the USSR refused to be recognized as the legal successor of the Russian Empire, the USSR refused to call on the debts of the empire, as well as the debts to it! RI's debts were much more than debts to her! So this is the decision of the USSR, not Bulgaria!
    On September 5, 1942, the Soviet consulate in Varna was closed, and on September 15 of the same year, materials were removed from it, which were then demonstrated at an anti-Soviet exhibition!

    Sergei, you have something lame with the facts ... During the WWII, the Soviet embassy functioned quite normally on the territory of Bulgaria, as well as the Bulgarian one in the USSR. Ours was in Kuibishev, recently our ambassador put wreaths there.
    The questionable anti-Soviet exhibition that you are talking about provoked a protest from the Soviet embassy! And you know? The Bulgarian authorities have closed the exhibition!
    On March 29, 2009 Bulgaria, fearing for its security (from whom?) Joins NATO.

    Bulgaria becomes a NATO member in 2004, 14 years after the collapse of the ATS! For these 14 years my children have grown! This is the time when the Russian Federation and the West maintain very good, friendly relations! Bulgaria is a small country located at a crossroads and cannot ensure its own security. Almost all neighbors were in the union or were going to enter. It is of prime importance for Bulgaria to have good relations, first of all, with its neighbors!
    And the Czechs and Slovaks ... for the American buns in 1968 ..

    Not for American buns, Sergei! For socialism from the human image! You didn’t allow them to live as they wanted, they brought in tanks! In one of the most Russophile countries in Europe!
    From the bottom of my heart I say thank you to the Bulgarians for the memory of the Russian wars that died during the liberation of Bulgaria from the Turkish yoke, but at the same time my heart breaks from the inscriptions "Death to the invaders! Death to communism" on the monument to Soviet soldiers in Dobrich and the disfigured obelisk on the brotherly the grave of Soviet soldiers in Sofia !!!

    Thank you, Bulgaria is a world recorder for the concentration of monuments associated with Russia and the USSR. There are more than 530 of them, and we are building new ones. Not one is touched, everyone is standing! By the way, this is ours, not your monuments. The fact that some kind of marginal made up the night does not mean anything. And many people do not like communism in our country, that's right. Some inscriptions were also painted on the monuments of the Bulgarian communist leaders, and the communes were painted on the monuments of the victims of the communist terror. Nothing, cleaned with a steam jet for an hour, two. Our internal affair. Your monuments are being destroyed in hundreds.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 4 May 2021 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: pytar
      You came uninvited, introduced your system!

      laughing This is what I like the most good
      When did you become an ally of Hitler's Germany what were you thinking about ???
      Quote: pytar
      And while Sergey is making faces, you are offended

      Of course offended, the monument to Georgy Dimitrov, to whom you essentially owe the dawn of your industry, is it desecrated in Krasnodar? Did the USSR occupy Bulgaria?
      Didn't the USSR, to its own detriment, help Bulgaria move from the plow to the nuclear power plant in Kozloduy? The fascist swastika on Alyosha's boots in Plovdiv, somehow I am not at all happy!
      Quote: pytar
      For socialism from the human image!

      You will tell your children fairy tales about socialism with a human face! A human face will never demand "Don't speak Czech"! Moreover, a certain gentleman had a hand in this human face, whose disciple, with the same human face, destroyed my country!
      Quote: pytar
      komunyags painted on the monuments of the victims of the communist terror.

      laughing Aha ... tell this in more detail to this comrade aleksejkabanets!
      You need to thank the komunyag until the end of the century, without them you would still be plowing on oxen!
      1. pytar
        pytar 4 May 2021 18: 43
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        laughing This is what I like the most good

        And I will laugh at you! laughing

        When did you become an ally of Hitler's Germany what were you thinking about ???

        They looked at you, and at that time you supplied up to 40% of the resources Germany needed to fight against Britain! You had the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact! Forgot? laughing

        Of course offended, the monument to Georgy Dimitrov, to whom you essentially owe the dawn of your industry, is it desecrated in Krasnodar?

        During the reign of Georgy Dimitrov, thousands of people were liquidated, some of them communists. Of course, I am not opposed to his monument sitting with you, we also have adherents of the Communist Party. By the way, until recently, monuments to outstanding Russian statesmen have survived only in Bulgaria! They were demolished by the Bolsheviks in the USSR, and even our communists, having come to power after 1944, were afraid to destroy them, the people would not accept that! But those same komunyags did not bother to announce our national holiday "March 3 of the Day of the Liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman Yoke" harmful, nationalistic, not corresponding to the communist ideology! This pradnik was restored as the main ones, already in the 90s after the BKP left power. That's the way it is, Sergei ... laughing , but you don't know anything about them.

        Did the USSR occupy Bulgaria? Didn't the USSR, to its own detriment, help Bulgaria move from the plow to the nuclear power plant in Kozloduy?

        So! Let's think about it! The Soviet army enters, puts its henchmen and gives them absolute power! They do what they say from Moscow! In fact, we live by your charter! What's this? Liberation or Occupation?

        The fascist swastika on Alyosha's boots in Plovdiv, somehow I am not at all happy!

        There are marginals in all countries. In Russia, they are not less, but many times more. For that, in 2014, the Duma adopted the largest fines in Europe for desecrating monuments.
        And what about Alyosha? Who drew a swastika? In the morning, the municipality cleared it in 2 hours. Alyosha, how he stood there! In 2019, the authorities implemented a project worth half a million euros to strengthen the monument and improve the hill. There were new alleys, park lighting, a mini-train, fountains, many beautiful things! Your media, for some reason, will not mention anything, right?

        You will tell your children fairy tales about socialism with a human face!

        You know, Czechs and Slovaks think differently! Like many of your sonar monitors, by the way ...


        You need to thank the people until the end of the century, without them you would still be plowing on oxen

        Ha, ha, ha! You know, I have several friends, farmers! Do you know what kind of mechanical park, tractors, combines they have? Fantastic, 21st century! Electronic control, air conditioning, a chair like Miller's ... They live well, very well! laughing
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 5 May 2021 07: 07
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          you at that time supplied up to 40% of the resources necessary for Germany to fight against Britain!

          And the remaining 60% was supplied by Britain so that Hitler would fight with us!
          Quote: pytar
          Like many of your sonar monitors, by the way ...

          This sonarodnik will sell his own mother, for his ghostly happiness under a beach umbrella in Miami!
          Quote: pytar
          Do you know what kind of mechanical park, tractors, combines they have? Fantastic, 21st century!

          what Those. 30 years ago, they twisted the tails of the bulls with the mate?
          Quote: pytar
          So! Let's think about it!

          And I don’t want to think, the Soviet army occupied a country-ally of Hitler’s Germany !!!!! And yours .. and us for sho .... keep yourself!
          Quote: pytar
          You had the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact!

          About which you do not know anything at all, but are trying to seem smart !!!
        2. pytar
          pytar 5 May 2021 09: 29
          -2
          And the remaining 60% was supplied by Britain so that Hitler would fight with us!

          During this period, Great Britain alone fought with Hitler, and she was on gasp. It would not have been the United States then, it would not have lasted long.
          I will say something else that you clearly do not know about! After the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, the European Communist Parties received instructions from Moscow to stop anti-Nazi propaganda and subversive activities. This continued until the German attack on the USSR.
          The BKP remained silent for 2 years, and when other oppositional underground parties and organizations proposed joint actions, it refused. Stalin and Hitler divided Europe on friendly terms ...
          Those. 30 years ago, they twisted the tails of the bulls with the mate?

          Of course there was a difference in technical equipment! Technologies then were much lower than today. Every year we went to the agricultural brigades in maso and harvested the harvest by hand! But the difference is not only that! The collective farm and the entire economy worked ineffectively, because there was no competition, people worked poorly, did not try too hard. Everything that was possible was stolen everywhere. The technique was constantly breaking down, reworking was everyday. Surprisingly, it was difficult to find even traditional Bulgarian fruits and vegetables in the shops. The counters were empty. Rescued home plots where people grew for themselves.
          And I don't want to think Soviet army occupied an ally of Hitler's Germany !!!!! And yours .. and us for sho .... keep yourself!

          Bravo! Finally you got there! Occupied! So what are the screams about then, why released?
          About which you do not know anything at all, but are trying to seem smart !!!

          I'm not trying ... lol And your "knowledge" is very vague, and even this is not the whole reason ...
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 5 May 2021 11: 32
          -1
          Quote: pytar
          During this period, Great Britain alone fought Hitler.

          Boyan, how do you think ... why the accused at the Nuremberg trials
          President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economy Hjalmar Schacht offered to put in the dock together with him the owners of Standard Oil, General Motors, Ford and the personal manager Bank of England Norman Montague? And why did Hjalmar Schacht, the only one of the accused, receive an acquittal?
          I already told you about your superficial knowledge of history, you want to know, only what you want to know ... history interests you insofar as!
          Quote: pytar
          I will say something else that you clearly do not know about!

          laughing What are you naive, right word!
          Then enlighten me about the reasons for the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR!
          Quote: pytar
          Surprisingly, it was difficult to find even traditional Bulgarian fruits and vegetables in the shops. The counters were empty

          Are you sure you are Bulgarian? Something I'm starting to doubt! If I had not seen the shelves of Bulgarian stores with my own eyes, I might have believed in your lies! What is your real name, my friend? And where do you really live?
          Quote: pytar
          Occupied!

          And what else can you call the introduction of troops into an enemy country, an ally of Hitler's Germany? Have the Nazis captured you?
          Quote: pytar
          So what then were the cries about, from what were they liberated?

          I didn't yell about it, you were an enemy, just like Romania and Hungary! Yes, the Bulgarian soldiers did not fight on the German-Soviet front, but they actively suppressed the anti-Hitler actions of the Yugoslav partisans! Bulgaria participated in the murder of my fellow citizens by providing military bases and raw materials to the Wehrmacht! Agents of the Bulgarian intelligence campaigned the Crimean Bulgarians to join the police units to fight the Crimean partisans! The Soviet government, from January 23 to August 30, 1944, five times proposed Bulgaria to break off relations with Germany! On September 5, 1944, the Soviet government, regarding the activities of the Bulgarian government as not a desire to break with fascism, declared war on Bulgaria!
          Having entered Bulgaria, Soviet soldiers did not take revenge on the Bulgarians for their complicity with the Nazis, on the contrary, they shared their last piece of bread!
          Quote: pytar
          your "knowledge" is very vague

          laughing Declared a regular ward number 6!
        4. pytar
          pytar 5 May 2021 21: 44
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          Boyan, how do you think ... why ... Yalmar Schacht suggested in fairness to put the owners of Standard Oil, General Motors, Ford and the personal governor of the Bank of England Norman Montagu on the dock with him?

          Financed the economy of Nazi Germany. Fact! I should have tried them, I think so too! yes
          Then enlighten me about the reasons for the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR!

          The West did not agree to sign the same agreement with the USSR. They hoped that Hitler would trample on to the East, and they would sit there. They were mistaken ... The USSR was also mistaken, thinking that it is possible to come to an agreement with Hitler or to gain time at the extreme. And Hitler was wrong that he could take over the world.
          As you can see Sergey, everyone was wrong. bully
          Are you sure you are Bulgarian? Something I'm starting to doubt! If I had not seen the shelves of Bulgarian stores with my own eyes, I might have believed in your lies! What is your real name, my friend? And where do you really live?

          In comparison with the USSR, probably. Yes, we did better with that. And yes, I am Bulgarian, I have lived in Bulgaria all my life. yes
          Yes, the Bulgarian soldiers did not fight on the German-Soviet front, but they actively suppressed the anti-Hitler actions of the Yugoslav partisans!

          Yugoslavian? There were very few of them on the territory of Macedonia. At that time, the "Macedonian nation" had not yet been invented, and it was on the fingers of one hand to count the number of locals in UNOA. On the Serbs and so on, strangers, of course, the local Bulgarians were not happy ... But on the territory of "old" Bulgaria, that is, Thrace and Mizia, it was a little different.
          Info - a short, informative video on the topic:

          Declared a regular ward number 6!

          And if you are considered an intelligent creature, and want to know more, you better listen, read, look, I posted a lot of information!
  • Vincenzo
    Vincenzo 3 May 2021 20: 15
    -2
    Ex Vitaly, Vitaly .........! And how many times has Russia betrayed us? You know? Of course not! They released us and immediately began to betray us! Because the Russian government saw that it would not be able to subdue the Bulgarians and actually transform Bulgaria to the Transdanubian province!
    Do you know what the price of liberation is? 10 million gold francs! For so much Russia is demanding compensation from Bulgaria!
    I will give you an example .......! In the fall of 1885, the Principality of Bulgaria announced its unification with Eastern Rumelia. Tsar Alexander III refused to support this political act. And Serbia, with the explicit support of Austria-Hungary and the tacit consent of Russia, attacks Bulgaria, and all the Russian officers in the Bulgarian army were recalled! You left the newly formed army of beardless soldiers, to face a well-armed and well-equipped army like the Serbian army at the time! At that time we had only one major in the army! And all the rest officers are a bit of lieutenants and captains!
    Justice in this war was on our side, and we defeated the vile Serbs!
    During the First World War, you, together with the Romanians and Serbs, attacked Bulgaria in Dobrudja. We did not attack you on Russian soil! And at the end of the war, your soldiers surrendered to the Bulgarian army and became prisoners of war. And subsequently these soldiers were granted the status of a political refugee, and the Bulgarian state is creating a special financial fund to help them integrate into Bulgarian society.
    I can give many more examples, but this is pointless! Great imperial chauvinism and propaganda have always blinded you!
    Open your eyes to the truth!
    1. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 3 May 2021 20: 52
      +5
      Quote: Vincenzo
      In the fall of 1885, the Principality of Bulgaria announced its unification with Eastern Rumelia. Tsar Alexander III refused to support this political act.

      Well, how would Alexander Alexandrovich understand that such an action could well lead to a common European war. Therefore, he did not interfere, but warned all interested parties that he would not tolerate their interference either. That is why you fought one-on-one with the Serbs.
      Quote: Vincenzo
      and all the Russian officers in the Bulgarian army were recalled!

      Why should they participate in a fratricidal war with their recent allies?
      Quote: Vincenzo
      army of beardless soldiers

      It seems to me that the Russian officers did manage to teach their subordinates something.
      Quote: Vincenzo
      vile Serbs!

      Obrenovichi, of course, are still pigs, but why all the people?
      Quote: Vincenzo
      During the First World War, you, together with the Romanians and Serbs, attacked Bulgaria in Dobrudja.

      A little bit wrong. It was you who attacked Serbia in the fall of 1915, although you knew perfectly well that it was fighting on the side of the Entente and should have understood that the Great Powers would not leave this demarche without consequences. They never left.
      Moreover, at the time of your entry into the war it was already clear (to everyone except the Bulgarians) that the Central Powers twice failed to fulfill their plans to defeat the opponents and now their defeat is only a matter of time. Moreover, representatives of the Entente offered Bulgaria Western Thrace, which was Turkish at that time, only for neutrality. But no, we must urgently take away Macedonia from bleeding Serbia ... As a result, they were left without Thrace, and without Macedonia, and even lost Southern Dobrudja. And all that was necessary was to stand on the sidelines a little! But where there ...
      Quote: Vincenzo
      Open your eyes to the truth!

      Apply this tip to yourself.
      Quote: Vincenzo
      Do you know what the price of liberation is?

      I know. Alexander II, in order to save Bulgaria, was forced to stop the reforms that were vital for Russia. After the war, when the patriotic fervor of the Slavophiles died down, this caused an acute discontent among the radicals, who organized several attempts on the life of the Liberator and killed him in 1881. So it cost the king his life. For us (Russia), stopping the reforms ultimately cost the revolution and many millions of victims.
      Something like that.
      1. anzar
        anzar 3 May 2021 22: 50
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        Greetings, colleague Ivan, I did not expect such .... inaccuracies from you.
        Alexander Alexandrovich understood that such an action could well lead to an all-European war. Therefore, he did not interfere, but warned all interested parties that he would not tolerate their interference either.

        Don't you notice the contradiction between these two sayings?
        First, let's clarify - obshevrop. war is "everyone with everyone" or what kind of blocks do you see? What do you think they are by 1885?
        And if you think that the war will be "everything against the Republic of Ingushetia", then how does it "warn"?
        For me, the reason is different, there are publications on the topic of foreign policy of AIII, we examined them ...
        Alexander II, in order to save Bulgaria, was forced to stop vital for Russia реформи

        ?? I don't know what reforms I stopped. Didn't have time to sell Magadan? (just kidding)) Rather, I saw an opportunity to replay the Crimean War without the Britons and Franks (for the public outrage at the Turkish massacres did not allow them to intervene). For the good of the Bulgarians, of course))
        For us (Russia), stopping the reforms ultimately cost the revolution and many millions of victims

        Perhaps so, but the reforms stopped earlier, and discontent, in addition, intensified with the fact that:
        1. The decisive goals of the war (the Straits) were not achieved (AII "caved in" to Britam, the victory was "stolen"))
        2. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers (mostly peasants) saw that the spoiled Bulgarians live better than the "free" Russian peasants.
        But you all know this. That is why your "Way to the Balkans" is so good.
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 3 May 2021 23: 14
          +1
          Greetings, dear colleague! hi
          Quote: anzar
          Don't you notice the contradiction between these two sayings?

          Not. After the Berlin Congress, we have difficult relations with Germany and Austria-Hungary. And the resources have been spent on the war with Turkey and there are no others yet. And then the newly-minted prince, who owes everything to the father of the Peacemaker, begins to imagine himself as the newly-minted Alexander the Great ...
          By the way, you yourself soon kicked him out, despite the victory over Serbia.
          Quote: anzar
          Didn't have time to sell Magadan?

          The village of Magadan on the site of the future city was founded in 1929 :)))
          unfinished reforms - Zemskaya, Judicial and most importantly Military.
          Quote: anzar
          Decisive goals of the war (Straits) not achieved

          Yes, the government of Alexander did not set such goals! He understood perfectly well that this could not be achieved, and indeed he did not want this war. I hoped to get by with diplomacy.
          Quote: anzar
          the wounded Bulgarians live better than the "free" Russian peasants.

          1. anzar
            anzar 4 May 2021 00: 01
            -1
            And then the newly-minted prince, who owes everything to the father of the Peacemaker, begins to imagine himself as the newly-minted Alexander the Great ...

            Strictly the opposite, I didn’t want to at all, this is the Rumelian initiative "from below", but ... as he said, the voice of the people = the voice of God. And in Bulgaria. Constitution (granted by the Russians)) provides for the possibility of detroning the monarch by parliament ("impeiich cop so to speak)))
            And the dibs The connection was supported)) Multi-way?)))
            By the way, you yourself soon kicked him out, despite the victory over Serbia.

            No, AIII drove him out (accepted his "resignation") and Batenberg obeyed. Two years later they could not "coordinate" anyone with A3, then the Bulgarian "Bismarck" (Stambolov) brought the coburg.
      2. pytar
        pytar 4 May 2021 00: 18
        -2
        Dear Ivan! I see what a huge misunderstanding of the history of relations between Russia and Bulgaria, the majority have our Russian interlocutors! I highly recommend the article of military historian Konstantin Gayvoronsky to everyone! He was able to briefly but meaningfully describe the whole essence of the problem! For me, this is the most obscure compact presentation of the situation in Ru-net, from 1878 to 1915! hi
        https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 4 May 2021 11: 04
          +1
          Boyan, the fact that in Bulgaria and Russia there are different opinions on the same historical events is actually normal. But...
          In the interpretation of your compatriot, it turned out that it was the Russians who out of nowhere attacked poor Bulgaria, which generally stood aside and did nothing.
          Believe me, I am aware of the problem of the disunity of the Bulgarian people and even to some extent sympathize with the attempts to gather it ...
          But what is interesting is that it was Germany and Austria-Hungary who achieved the abolition of the Treaty of San Stefano and the conclusion of the Berlin Peace Treaty, which is much harsher in this respect. and it was they who turned out to be your allies in that war, and even the Turks ... paragraph!
          1. pytar
            pytar 4 May 2021 12: 21
            -2
            In the interpretation of your compatriot ...

            Who are you talking about? Konstantin Gaivoronsky Russian, historian, graduated from St. Petersburg State University.
            .. it turned out that it was the Russians who, for no reason at all, attacked poor Bulgaria, which generally stood aside and did nothing.

            I don’t know why you have such an impression ?! Entering WWI Bulgaria set itself quite understandable, very local goals - to free its sonar readers from foreign occupation! During the period from 1913 to 1915, 2 Bulgarian revolts against the Serbs broke out in Macedonia. I myself come from Bitol. A third of the Bulgarian army were refugees from these areas! They fought surrounded by their homes! And Russia sent 2 expeditionary corps, one on the Macedonian front, and the other in Dobruzhdi. The wallpaper was broken. When a soldier fights on his own land, he fights bravely. By the way, Ross. The Black Sea Fleet has done an incredible stupidity! Conducted a terrorist bombardment of Varna, during an Orthodox holiday! The Orthodox Church was also bombed during the service. Peaceful people died, among them one Russian. This act of thoughtlessness from a military point of view greatly outraged the Bulgarian society! Russia has put itself on the worse side!
            But what is interesting is that it was Germany and Austria-Hungary who achieved the abolition of the Treaty of San Stefano and the conclusion of the Berlin Peace Treaty, which is much harsher in this respect. and it was they who turned out to be your allies in that war, and even the Turks ... paragraph!

            You see how interests change! When Germany and Austria - Hungary were not in the best interests, they prevented the Bulgarian unification! Likewise, Russia has become a hindrance to this when its interests have changed! And Germany and AB, on the contrary, began to support him! Bulgaria's interests have not changed! It could not be otherwise, a third of our sonarodists were under someone else's power! The entire male population entered the army, we had the highest mobilization coefficient among all the belligerent countries! Young men and old people hid their age in order to go to the army! A country with a population of less than 5 million put almost 900 thousand on the battlefields. soldier. The losses were also appalling. In every village, even the most stale, there is a commemorative slab with long lists of names of the victims.
            As for the Turks, they were chasing their interests! For the given period coincided with the Bulgarian ones. Russia also had such periods, but in general Russia has managed to be either allies or fight against the same countries. Interesting! If everyone has their own interests, why shouldn't the Bulgarians be with the Bulgarians! Ours, though simple and straightforward!
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 4 May 2021 13: 46
              +4
              Quote: pytar
              This act of thoughtlessness from a military point of view greatly outraged the Bulgarian society!

              Interesting! Those. we close our eyes to the fact that at the same time German boats were based in Varna, one of which sank two Russian transports the day before near Odessa, and we say that the shameless Russians just like that, out of nothing to do, barbarously bombed Varna! And the fact that Bulgaria at that time voluntarily became an enemy of Russia is not what we think, it is completely different! And for the fact that the shells in the first salvo fell with the flight, humbly excuse me, they fired from a distance and without adjustment ... especially the Russians, why will you take barbarians from them !?
              How interesting it turns out, Boyan! The Russians are to blame for everything ... they are to blame for the fact that Bulgaria, both in WWI and WWII, was an ally of Germany and in the fact that when the Soviet people ate swan out of hunger, they supplied you with wheat, because, unlike the Soviet people, you cannot starve, and in the fact that he drove his steamers to the same Varna for repairs, at that time capacities were idle at the Soviet shipyard, because the Bulgarian worker had to be given a job and that shops in the regions of the Far North and the Far East were inundated with Bulgarian canned vegetables and juices, despite the fact that their own products were lost in the southern regions of the USSR, because the Bulgarian peasant must be confident in the future! Indeed, if it were not this damned Russia, you would now live a godfather to the king, matchmaker to the minister! Yes, by the way, and now you live better than with komunyagah?
            2. pytar
              pytar 4 May 2021 17: 46
              -1
              You know, you and I have completely different perceptions of history. Absolutely different! I can still argue a lot about every line you wrote, but I don't see the point. Therefore, it is hardly worth dealing with such topics, they only deepen the difference in beliefs. At the same time, you have it, almost from all over the world. You are supposedly always right, white, fluffy, you do as it suits you, yesterday is one thing, and tomorrow is the opposite, but when others do the same, you see the bad ones, ah, ah, ah! With all that, I will answer your question!
              Yes, by the way, and now you live better than with komunyagah?

              I have lived half of my life under the komunyag, the second under a democracy. For nothing, I would not agree to return at that time, well, only if for youth! A third of the population, namely, pensioners and people with poor education, I feel nostalgic for the past, they can be understood. The remaining 2/3, although they criticize modernity, do not want either communism or dictators.
              In short, Sergey, the world has changed and will change even faster! hi
            3. Serg65
              Serg65 5 May 2021 07: 45
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              Quote: pytar
              You are supposedly always right

              No, I just don’t think up facts for the sake of my national pride and I never declare that we are always white and fluffy! I once stood with my ship several times under repair both in Varna and in the naval arsenal not far from Beloslav, I often talked with the Bulgarians (and none of them complained about the komunyag, there were conversations under the plum brandy, when the language is often not friendly with brains) and I had the most flattering reviews about your country and the most fraternal relationship to the Bulgarian people ... Shumen, Targovishte, Veliko Tarnovo, Gabrovo ... hotel in the Balkans ... oh how many plum brandy was drunk there and how hard it was after this next morning to go up to Shipka !!!
              But, the Union ended ... and then it started ... Russians like that, Russians like that, invaders, robbers, stranglers of freedoms ... you began to look more and more like Poles ... you began to tolerate this world, only because the whole the world owes you ... why so, Boyan?
            4. pytar
              pytar 5 May 2021 09: 39
              -1
              No, I just don’t think up facts for the sake of my national pride and I never declare that we are always white and fluffy!

              Selectively exhibit whatever you want. Don't bother looking at the picture globally! This is called manipulation!
              I had the most flattering reviews about your country and the most fraternal relationship to the Bulgarian people ... oh how many plum brandy was drunk there

              I have it now with my Russian friends! drinks There are many of them, every year I host them! The chair is covered all the time! Good guys, people are closely related to us! We don't consider Russians as strangers! yes
              But, the Union ended ... and then it started ... Russians like that, Russians like that, invaders, robbers, stranglers of freedoms ... you began to look more and more like Poles ... you began to tolerate this world, only because the whole the world owes you ... why so, Boyan?

              1. Every time, after a while, there comes a sobering up, a reassessment of the past! A lot of things become known, in totalitarian societies most of the information is closed. In Russia, too, and by the way, the revaluation began first in Russia!
              2. The majority of Poles treat Russians quite well. And we have it everywhere! But not everyone likes the policy of the Ross. authorities. Many Russians don't like her either.
              3.No one should tell us things with their true names, there is no claim to someone else! It’s always someone who owes you, and someone else is to blame for your problems there!
            5. Serg65
              Serg65 5 May 2021 10: 13
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              Quote: pytar
              Don't bother looking at the picture globally! This is called manipulation!

              recourse Like your forehead against the wall!
              Quote: pytar
              Many Russians don't like her either.

              are they the ones who go to your friends?
            6. pytar
              pytar 5 May 2021 12: 41
              0
              are they the ones who go to your friends?

              With all sorts of views and beliefs there! But it turns out very interesting when they get the opportunity to get acquainted with the facts in place! And they will equalize them with what is being replicated in rus-media! Even the most prejudiced are forced to admit, some in the open, some in silence, that the situation is somewhat different ... bully
            7. Serg65
              Serg65 5 May 2021 13: 10
              0
              Quote: pytar
              the situation is somewhat different

              And you can find out ... what is it, this other situation?
            8. pytar
              pytar 5 May 2021 16: 25
              0
              And you can find out ... what is it, this other situation?

              In a few words: the TV set says one thing, but the reality is different
  • andrew42
    andrew42 5 May 2021 11: 57
    +1
    Boyan Ivanov, sorry for the harshness, but you rummage through history like a rooster in a heap outside. Each time you pull out some facts that Russia has not worked enough for Bulgaria. Do you understand after WWII. In general, there are Bulgarians and the STATE of Bulgaria. There are Russians and the peoples of Russia, and there is the STATE of Russia. So, Mr. Bulgarian, one must answer for one's own STATE one way or another, at least morally, at least in spirit. The conscience of an ordinary Russian person does not allow to whitewash the unjust actions of the authorities even in relation to the aborigines of Papua Guinea. This is how we are made. With you, here and now, it is in the order of things, like in Duremar, "and I have nothing to do with it, nothing to do with that." What did you actually want after WWII? Under the Iron Curtain? So that the Russian Vanka (as well as the Kazan Musa, the Ukrainian Ivanko, and so on) alone dragged the opposition to the West? And you would be drinking, walking and having fun in "your own personal system". But to hell with mustard. The Cold War is a given. The price is the survival of the USSR. So, either with us, or with those against whom the Soviet tanks went to the west, and against whom they then stood on the borders of the Soviet zone. Indeed, it was necessary to occupy, to plant you the Russian administration, to drive you to forced labor, as the population of a state that fought against Russia 2 times in 50 years. Reparations are crying for you. Only our conscience did not allow it, even the "terrible" Stalinist Politburo. And your conscience allows you to twirl its tail. Let them say Russia is fighting with the West, and we here (it's nothing that we got along with the Nazi Reich) will be "panuwati". You, Bulgarians, had EVERYTHING under the umbrella of the USSR. Well, the enemies destroyed the Union, so build your Great Bulgaria! What is the problem then? No, they chose rulers who instantly found a new owner, first the EU, then the United States. So if I were you, I would be silent about Historical Justice. Otherwise, Russian and Soviet soldiers will rise from their graves on the Bulgarian soil and arrange for you a REAL occupation. You have to answer for your government or keep quiet, and not sculpt excuses, with cheap claims "Russia, you didn't love me right." This is personally from me, Andrei Ivanov - to Boyan Ivanov.
  • pytar
    pytar 5 May 2021 17: 39
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    Andrey, and you will forgive me for the rush, but if you read what you yourself write and the comments of your sonar books, you will see that "and I have nothing to do with it, nothing to do with that" applies specifically to you! I’m not challenging the right of everyone to have their own truth! And for the difference from you, I do not carry my own without fail to whom! The most striking thing is how you defend the equally eagerly opposite tezza, if these actions were yours! So listen, all countries have people with opposite opinions! But only you have a wild intolerance to other people's opinions! In this zeal, you lose self-criticism, do not notice the contradictions! Your right, but you don't have a monopole over the truth! It is different for everyone! Accept this fundamental postulate and stop picking on everyone and for everything! You yourself invent enemies for yourself, set even the most benevolent against yourself!
    This is personally from me Boyan Ivanov - Andrei Ivanov. hi
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 4 May 2021 14: 01
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    Who are you talking about? Konstantin Gaivoronsky Russian, historian, graduated from St. Petersburg State University.

    I am a colleague with a nickname - "Vincenzo", with whose comments this thread began.
    Quote: pytar
    incredible stupidity!

    This can be said about the entire policy of Russia in the Balkans, and in particular in relation to Bulgaria. And yet...
    Quote: pytar
    Entering WWI Bulgaria set itself quite understandable, very local goals.

    And for some reason, I thought that I could go unpunished ...
    You see, Serbia was the weak link of the Entente and that is where your blow fell. And, of course, the leading countries of the Entente did not like it at all. And not even we, who asked us after Brest, but the British and French punished you for this untimely shown creativity. And it simply could not be otherwise. Well, they don't let that down!
    Quote: pytar
    Ours, though simple and straightforward!

    And of all possible ways to declare your interests, you have unmistakably chosen the most hopeless!
    You see, I do not think that Bulgaria's entry into WWI on the side of the Central Powers was a betrayal. No, this is much worse. It was stupid! Your stupidity. And no wonder you suffered for it. Moreover, to a large extent without our participation.
  • pytar
    pytar 4 May 2021 18: 11
    -2
    And for some reason at the same time I thought that I could go unpunished ... Serbia was the weak link of the Entente and it was there that your blow fell. And, of course, the leading countries of the Entente did not like it at all ... but the British and French punished you for this untimely shown creativity. And it simply could not be otherwise. Well, they don't let that down!

    From the standpoint of our time, of course it is! But let's go back in time! We have a confrontation with Serbia for 13 centuries. The last in which Serbia, Greece and Romania occupied lands with the Bulgarian population, happened only a year before the start of WWI! After defeating the Serbs in WWI, our army entered Macedonia, where many of the soldiers were waiting for their family! My grandfather was one of them! When his company reached his native village near Bitol, the entire population came out to meet ours - they are their own! It was an indescribable happiness! People, soldiers hugged, cried with joy!

    You see, I do not think that Bulgaria's entry into WWI on the side of the Central Powers was a betrayal. No, this is much worse. It was stupid!

    Dear Ivan, you know, I do not in any way justify the unparalleled stupidity that Ferdinand showed, who led the country to 2 national catastrophes in a short period of time.
    After the abdication, the son of Tsar Boris III never let this infamous madman in Bulgaria! And there is not a single memorial to Ferdinand, but there are thousands of memorials to those ordinary soldiers who fought bravely against overcoming opponents in unbearably difficult conditions for the unification of their Fatherland! Yes, Bulgaria was defeated, but not a single Bulgarian military banner captured in battle! And our museums are full of captive banners of the enemy army!
    By the way, the gluttonous stupidity of the rulers is not something exceptional! The same Emperor Nicholas III led the Republic of Ingushetia to disaster, collapse and a bloody civil war. You yourself know better about Gorbachev. There are a lot of such examples!

    I will say the last: Even though I am already growing, I still believe that there is a Higher Truth! If the cause is right, it may fail, but temporarily ... No matter how many years pass, sooner or later everything will return to its place! Truth is not in strength, but in truth is strength! hi
  • g1v2
    g1v2 4 May 2021 01: 22
    +1
    The truth is that some brothers dreamed of great Serbia, while others of great Bulgaria. As a result, after the victory over the Turks, they immediately fought among themselves in the most ugly manner. Both tried to use Russia for their own needs. And when Russia did not fight in this fight for pieces of land, both sides were offended. I do not care deeply about the Serbs, but the fact that you fought against us in both world wars is a fact. And in the third, you are also not on our side. Well, what kind of brothers are you? What have you done for my country? request
    And the fact that you integrated the prisoners into your society. So it was beneficial for you. The injection of young healthy, hardworking hands after the war is a blessing for any country. It was beneficial for us that these people return home. To help rebuild the country, give birth to children, and so on. But they didn’t come back. There is nothing to thank for here.
    Well, by the way, to clarify the position. I am a convinced imperialist and a militarist, but I have never been a chauvinist. This is not accepted by us. Here you are openly lying or broadcasting someone's propaganda. Even the Turks, with whom we have fought for centuries, are people with whom you can build relationships.
    About joining Russia. So in the days of the Union, such a proposal came from your hands. But for some reason we did not turn you into the Transdanubian province. Strange, isn't it? Can you overclock it for your own justification?
    In general, you have absolutely no faith. You also do not have any independence - you are eternal sixes, changing owners. You have no subjectivity and sovereignty. If you are driven to the eastern front, then you will go to fight against us. What to talk to you about? We can trade. This is always useful, but it makes no sense to build any kind of relationship here. hi
    1. pytar
      pytar 4 May 2021 11: 29
      -4
      The truth is that some brothers dreamed of great Serbia

      Again, fundamentally confusing things! Well, so much so that you lose orientation, which is right, which is left!
      What is the fundamental difference between the goals of Serbia and Bulgaria?
      Serbia wanted to dominate the Balkans. This is the so-called. Garashanin's doctrine. For this purpose, she sought to seize vast territories inhabited by both the Serbian population, which is understandable, but also more land in which the non-Serbian population lived! Such is the Serbo-Balkan Empire! This is Great Serbia! It was necessary to conquer and annex lands where the local population did not want to be under the Serbian occupation, resisted accordingly, raised revolts! This aggressive policy of Serbia led to terrible bloodshed, of course, Serbia got what it deserved.
      Bulgaria could not and did not want to conquer anyone. The national idea has become a continuation of the liberation mission of Russia! The unification of the Bulgarian people in our nation state! This is not "Great Bulgaria", this is United Whole Bulgaria! The difference is huge!
      Here you are openly lying or broadcasting someone's propaganda .... In general, you have absolutely no faith. You also do not have any independence - you are eternal sixes, changing owners. You have no subjectivity and sovereignty ... What to talk to you about? We can trade. This is always useful, but it makes no sense to build any kind of relationship here.

      With a person like you, who has such delirium in his head, there really is no point in talking. I'll tell you all the same - time will pass, people from your way of thinking will disappear into the past. Everything will come to its place, our children will be friends with their Russian friends, Russia will be different, new purified, bright! You have a darkening darkness that is in your heads, then in society. But Russia will recover, I am convinced of this!
      All the best to you, Vitaly! hi
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 4 May 2021 17: 00
        +2
        Don't get your hopes up. Just everything that socialism taught about friendship between peoples and brothers is becoming a thing of the past. And I hope forever. Our capitalist world is a zone of constant competition. And this is becoming more and more evident. You can be friends with individuals. With the Americans, with the Germans, with the Bulgarians. Among the state-in this is a rarity, although it happens. And now your state in another is unlikely to be.
        All the best to you too! hi
        1. pytar
          pytar 4 May 2021 17: 31
          -2
          Do not expect.

          I am a realist, and besides, I do not support the idea of ​​bringing my country closer to the current ruling in the Russian Federation. When the kids leave, then you might think, but not. No.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 5 May 2021 08: 15
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            When the kids are gone

            These won't go away! When your masters bring these to their knees, these, with all their proletarian hatred, will beat your masters and their mongrel satellites! And again, your descendants will come up with fairy tales that for some reason, Russia has occupied white and fluffy Bulgaria ...
          2. pytar
            pytar 5 May 2021 09: 05
            -1
            that these with all their proletarian hatred will beat your masters and their mongrels-satellites!

            These are precisely these, they have nothing to do with the proletariat. lol And they will not hit their relatives, it's like hitting on their own. laughing
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 5 May 2021 09: 13
            0
            Quote: pytar
            And they will not hit their relatives, it's like hitting on their own.

            Laughs the one who laughs last wink
            We were friends with Germany, but the friendship ended on the steps of the Reichstag!
            Good luck in your Russophobic activities! hi
          4. pytar
            pytar 5 May 2021 10: 19
            0
            Laughs the one who laughs last
            )
            I don't know who it will be, but I know - definitely not you!
            We were friends with Germany, but the friendship ended on the steps of the Reichstag!

            It turns out they were friends all the same, right? lol
            Good luck in your Russophobic activities!

            I have been Russophile since childhood. My family is Russian-Bulgarian. Like many Russians, I criticize the authorities, in our opinion they are Russophobic in their essence.
            And I wish you enlightenment, let knowledge blow the fog out of your head! And you will see the real world, colorful! hi
          5. Serg65
            Serg65 5 May 2021 10: 30
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            but I know - definitely not you!

            Don't say a gop until you jump over!
            Quote: pytar
            It turns out they were friends all the same, right?

            They were friends, like the whole world at that time was friends with Germany ... you are right as a child! How old are you, Boyan?
            Quote: pytar
            I am a Russophile since childhood

            I also wanted to be an astronaut!
            Quote: pytar
            many Russians

            and how many are these Russians?
            Quote: pytar
            let knowledge blow the fog out of your head!

            I already wished you this!
          6. pytar
            pytar 5 May 2021 11: 37
            0
            Don't say a gop until you jump over!

            Don't tell me ... laughing
            They were friends, like the whole world at that time was friends with Germany

            Aaaa, then so! You can, but we can not? Yes, we took an example from you! bully
            ... you are right as a child! How old are you, Boyan?

            Thank you, even in my mature age, I keep my youth, I enjoy life! It happens - there are people who are born young in spirit and remain so all their lives! And there are others, born old and so on to the end ... laughing
            and how many are these Russians?

            Do you want a list? laughing Different ages, different social statuses, from different regions of Russia! Nice people and they like it here! good
          7. Serg65
            Serg65 5 May 2021 12: 14
            0
            Quote: pytar
            You can, but we can not?

            A non-aggression pact and trade cooperation is very different from an agreement on participation in aggressive actions, isn't it?
            Quote: pytar
            even in its mature age

            So how old are you. years Boyan?
            Quote: pytar
            Do you want a list?

            With addresses, phone numbers and income!
          8. pytar
            pytar 5 May 2021 13: 40
            0
            A non-aggression pact and trade cooperation is very different from an agreement on participation in aggressive actions, isn't it?

            As a result of this agreement, the USSR and Germany occupied large territories. This is certainly not aggression, this is a humanitarian mission ...
            And let's get back to the Treaty on the accession of the Kingdom of Bulgaria to the Axis! And what do we see there! Part .. 5 "... these preconditions do not in any way affect the political situation that really exists between each of the contracting countries and the USSR ..." Each of the Axis countries could have a relationship with the USSR, which it considered necessary! Bulgaria on the basis of this part 5th did not take part in the war against the USSR and maintained normal diplomatic relations with him, until September 44th!
            Some more extremely interesting information! Before that Bulgaria refused to join the Axis three times, and the signing of the treaty by the Bulgarian government took place a few hours later, after the German army entered the territory of Bulgaria!
            Let's see how the BKP reacts, it is closely connected with the USSR and acts on its instructions!
            Another year / in 1940 / before the entry of Bulgaria into the Axis, the BKP becomes the only one, which calls on governments for an alliance with Germany !!!
            In 1939, the Central Committee at the BKP published leaflets and began propaganda of agitation to include Bulgaria in the Axis! June 1940 the police interrogate Anton Yugov, one of the leaders of the BKP, and after 45, the premiership minister in the communist government, about the spreading urges that Yugov personally made up by his own confession! In them he writes:
            "Iskame military union of the USSR Union of Socialists, smrt on the agent against Anglo-French capitalism and the general front of the USSR is socially progressive and heroic Germany!"
            On November 25, 1940, Georgy Dimitrov writes in his diary what Stalin personally told him:
            “When concluding such a pact, we (the USSR) not only do not object to Bulgaria joining the Tripartite Pact, but we ourselves will join it.”
            Later, this instruction was inscribed in the archives of the BKP and sent by local party organizations, which circulated it as an appeal to the population.

            In that spirit, many famous party leaders are campaigning for an alliance with Nazi Germany! One of them sings the communist revolution Nikola Vaptsarov!
            In general, many facts, documents and testimonies have been preserved on this topic. But you don't write about them, so as not to cause cognitive dissonance in the more faint of heart ...
            So how old are you. years Boyan?

            Enough to gain a rich life experience, but not enough to die ... bully
            With addresses, phone numbers and income!

            Ask Hristo Grozev, he has a complete database, finished off thanks to the spread of corruption in the Russian Federation at all levels. laughing
  • didra
    didra 5 May 2021 16: 23
    0
    And why did you decide that Russia is not bright? How should we cleanse our country?
  • g1v2
    g1v2 Yesterday, 23: 38
    +1
    Ну говорите прямо. Вы враг нашей страны. Чего как первокурсница то мнетесь? Вас тут не укусят. От вас ничего другого и не ждали. Ну кроме некоторых любителей "платить и каяться". Да в 90-е , когда мы разваливались и дохли с голоду мы вам нравились. А сейчас, когда выздоровели и окрепли, то нет. Это нормально. request
  • pytar
    pytar Today, 08: 40
    0
    Ну говорите прямо. Вы враг нашей страны.

    Вообщето никому я не враг. laughing
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 4 May 2021 16: 22
    +3
    Quote: g1v2
    You also have no independence ... You have no subjectivity and sovereignty

    Well, how are you so, one might say belief in one's own "sovereignty" new-born democracies and so frankly not civilized "dunked" ... lol They sincerely believe that at the table they are kept as equals, they are listened to ... during the time of the CMEA / VD they were rotten from heyday to sunset recourse Now they will wait for the "concept of nata2030" - and rejoice: the remnants of the need to think will disappear altogether ...
    This debate arises from time to time - everyone firmly stands their ground, before the application of the main European argument
    Quote: pytar
    With a person like you, who has such delirium in his head, there really is no point in talking.

  • Serg65
    Serg65 4 May 2021 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: Vincenzo
    How many times has Russia betrayed us?

    Well, we will skip this nonsense, move on ..
    Quote: Vincenzo
    In the fall of 1885, the Principality of Bulgaria announced its unification with Eastern Rumelia; Tsar Alexander III refused to support this political act

    And do not tell me, my dear Bulgarian, but who incited your prince Alexander to the Plovdiv uprising? Are not your dear friends the British? The question of the unification of Bulgaria would have been resolved without the uprising, Alexander III, so hated by you, within the framework of the Union of Three Emperors, was actively working on your unification. But English handouts and promises are dearer to you, you can't stand it! If you have already remembered the year 188/5, so remember it to the end! For the Afghan crisis, tell us that as a result of this crisis, England and Russia were on the brink of war! Tell us for the fact that England, threatening Turkey with the annexation of Egypt, demanded to let the English fleet into the Black Sea, and the sultan, frightened by another war with Russia, refused the British! And honestly tell us how you played the English game, putting Russia in front of a choice, either to fight with England, France and Turkey, or to sacrifice Bulgaria for your safety!
    Quote: Vincenzo
    Serbia, with the explicit support of Austria-Hungary and the tacit consent of Russia

    Do you have a conscience, Vinncenzo (what an interesting Bulgarian name!)? And the Sofia truce on March 5, 1886 between Bulgaria and Serbia, at the insistence of whom, was it signed? And who influenced the fact that Franz Joseph did not enter the war on the side of Serbia against you?
    Quote: Vincenzo
    During World War I, you, together with the Romanians and Serbs, attacked Bulgaria in Dobrudja. We did not attack you on Russian soil!

    Well then, tell us about how you, being tempted by Austro-German cookies in the form of Macedonia, Thrace and Southern Dobrudja, entered the war against Russia on the side of Germany and Austria-Hungary! How, having once again put the horse to naught, Bulgaria declared Russia its enemy!
    Quote: Vincenzo
    I can give many more examples.

    Better not, lie again!
  • komuso
    komuso 4 May 2021 21: 19
    -1
    While we are talking about betrayal:
    Who betrayed Bulgaria at the signing of the Berlin Treaty, returned to Turkey 1/3 of the Bulgarian territory, but 1/3 remained in the Ottoman Empire and only 1/3 is free?
    Who set the Serbs on Bulgaria in 1885?
    Who fired at Varna and Balchik from the sea in 1915?
    What was the destroyer "Lieutenant Pushchin" doing in Varna Bay in 1915?
    What were the Russian troops doing in Northern Dobrudja and in Macedonia in 1916-1917?
    By whose order was the attendant made in the Church of St. Week?
    Who wanted to build a naval base in Varna and Burgas in 1940?
    Who bombarded Bulgaria in 1941?
    Who dominated the DRG on the territory of Bulgaria in 1941-1944
    What are the remains of 5 Soviet submarines doing in the territorial waters of Bulgaria?
    Who sank the Struma?
    Who Stole Bulgaria's Gold Reserve in 1944?
    Who Stole the Bulgarian State Archives in 1944?
    Who plundered more than 500 factories and manifactories in Bulgaria after 1944?
    Who kept their 37th Army in Bulgaria until 1949?
    Do you want to continue?
    1. pytar
      pytar 5 May 2021 12: 50
      0
      I will add two more, they are important, because everything that happened later happened because of them!
      Who has not fulfilled their obligation to be the guarantor of the 1912 treaty of Macedonian ownership?
      Who violated clause 3 of the 1902 treaty between Russia and Bulgaria, which guaranteed Sofia assistance to the Russian army in the event of an attack by Romanians?
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 Yesterday, 23: 46
      +1
      Странный перечень. Мы отвоевали у Турков территорию Болгарии , а не вы. Сколько смогли - на том и заключили мир. Мы должны были воевать за великую Болгарию? Серьезно?
      Сербы точно как и вы строили свою великую Сербию. Передрались с ними вы сами самым пезобразным способом. Нас сюда не приплетайте.
      В первую мировую войну , как и в вторую Болгария была нашим противником. Врага надо было по головке гладить и вкусностями кормить? Серьезно?
      Это все напоминает старый анекдот "а нас то за что?". Вы проиграли войну и за это заплатили. Я наоборот считаю, что ошибкой было как раз помогать восстанавливать вас после войны. Эти ресурсы надо было направить на восстановление своей страны. Вот это была ошибка. Надеюсь после следующей войны, в которой вы конечно же будете воевать против нас, мы этой ошибки не повторим. hi
      1. pytar
        pytar Today, 08: 51
        0
        Мы должны были воевать за великую Болгарию? Серьезно?

        Ничего такого! Просто вам надо было соблюдать договорах, которые подписали. request
        В первую мировую войну , как и в вторую Болгария была нашим противником.

        Естественно сремления каждого народа освободить и обыединится со своих сонародниках. Россия/СССР прошли через этот период, почему отрицаете это право другим народам?
        Вы проиграли войну и за это заплатили. Надеюсь после следующей войны, в которой вы конечно же будете воевать против нас...

        В 1990 г. закончилась 3 /холодная/ МВ. Мы были самы верны союзник СССР. И вместе потерпели поражение. В никаких война дальше не будем ввязыватся, да и большая война в следующих ста лет не будет, это точно. А вот глобальные климатические катаклизмы будут, они уже начались.
  • didra
    didra 5 May 2021 16: 02
    0
    Turks are strangers. If we get along well with them. No, too good. And the Czechs and Bulgarians mow under their own - from time to time. We can say that this is the lot of small states, but this is not the only point. It just seems to the Young Europeans that Russia is over. So they arrange their future (rationally in their opinion).
  • frruc
    frruc 3 May 2021 15: 07
    +5
    tihonmarine
    Bulgarians are sometimes silent, but the Czechs were hitting their mouths not on the point.

    BBC news / The Bulgarian Prosecutor's Office announced that it sees a link between four explosions at arms depots and factories and attempts to poison businessman Emilian Gebrev, of which Sofia last year accused three Russian citizens, suspecting them of working for the GRU. Now we are talking about the fact that six Russians were in Bulgaria when the explosions occurred.
    ...... the purpose of the actions of Russian citizens was to stop the supply of special products to Georgia and Ukraine, "Mileva said (quotes from bTV Novinite).
  • Clear
    Clear 3 May 2021 15: 50
    +4
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: xorek
    Can Bulgaria surrender to the Turks?

    It is better to "surrender" the Czechs to the Turks, the Bulgarians are silent, but the Czechs did not hit their mouths on the point.

    Do not worry hi, at a convenient moment, Turkey will swallow both of them (both), for a sweet soul, and will not choke winked
  • ironic
    ironic 3 May 2021 16: 20
    -1
    And who else to hand over and to whom, so that right at the ditch and on the exit tribunal of the Revolutionary Military Council? It will be more productive this way. wink
  • frruc
    frruc 3 May 2021 14: 56
    +3
    they themselves will surrender, and NATO partners will close their eyes to this, no one wants to fight for them. The Turks have their own views on the Balkans.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 13
      +1
      Maybe you already got off the couch and went to surrender us to the Turks, no?
      1. frruc
        frruc 3 May 2021 15: 22
        +3
        I said that you yourself will surrender. Nobody is going to surrender you and they will not fight for you either, not even neighboring Greece and Romania.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 48
          +3
          And we, too, will not fight for the Greeks and Romanians, so quits.
          1. frruc
            frruc 3 May 2021 16: 04
            0
            This is it. The world is going to hell, everyone pulls the blanket over himself.
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 4 May 2021 01: 02
            0
            Well, something like this.
    2. Clear
      Clear 3 May 2021 15: 55
      +3
      Quote: frruc
      NATO partners will close their eyes to this, no one wants to fight for them. Have

      NATO, has long been transformed from a military-political office into a mutual aid fund ... remotely with words of support ... by SMS.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 3 May 2021 17: 43
        +2
        Quote: Clear

        NATO has long been transformed from a military-political office into.
        In the "Buyers Club of weapons made in the USA bully " soldier
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 17: 51
      -1
      Quote: frruc
      they themselves will surrender, and NATO partners will close their eyes to this, no one wants to fight for them. The Turks have their own views on the Balkans.

      Explain to me why Russia has a strong Turkey? What would we continue to shoot down our planes and shit in Transcaucasia?
  • Maksim
    Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 03
    -5
    Ferret, maybe you can take it to a mental hospital. Maybe they will cure ...
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 May 2021 16: 21
      -4
      Pity the psychos. He will be the first to pass ... to get out ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2021 16: 50
        +3
        Quote: ironic
        Pity the psychos. He will surrender first ... to get out ...

        Excuse me, you probably wanted to write was ist das? repeat German still sometimes breaks out ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 3 May 2021 18: 05
          -3
          Some kind of clumsy attempt to hint at something. It is necessary to train mental abilities. Without them, even sarcasm really does not work. Although this will not affect shoulder straps. You will be a marshal here and so will go. For this, intelligence is not required.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 17: 53
      -3
      Quote: Mac Sim
      Maybe they will cure ...

      If only a lobotomy ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 May 2021 16: 19
    0
    They stand for each other, to strengthen one at the expense of the other to themselves.
  • VORON538
    VORON538 3 May 2021 14: 25
    +5
    These are the "brothers" angry
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 14: 30
      +16
      These are the "brothers"

      Artem, Emelyan Gebrev is neither my Bulgarian brother, nor you! In general, an arms dealer is not a brother to anyone, they are the opposite of this concept! They have no nationality, they represent an international syndicate of a special order. A style in which there is no morality and conscience. hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 3 May 2021 14: 36
        +5
        Quote: pytar
        They have no nationality, they represent an international syndicate of a special order. A style in which there is no morality and conscience.

        Just like the drug dealers.
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 May 2021 14: 39
          +4
          Just like the drug dealers.

          Absolutely! And weapons and drugs are killing people! Criminal, immoral business!
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            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 3 May 2021 16: 42
              +6
              Vy threw everything ... They took off the shani and merged the VD and SEV ... But of course for this, too, I’m guilty of you.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 18: 00
              -1
              Quote: Ros 56
              Seriously, is betrayal a moral matter? Like all of you Eastern gayropeans rushed to lick the striped ass. I am silent about the fact that they were Hitler's allies.

              Was it not the USSR that Gorbachevsky betrayed the Warsaw Pact? Could you remind me of what happened to Honecker? And with Ceausescu? The blame for the betrayal lies primarily on our country, on Gorbachev, on Yeltsin, and there is no desire to remember all these nasty things.
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 3 May 2021 19: 46
                +3
                And in 1 and 2 World Wars, too, spotted to blame?
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 20: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Ros 56
                  And in 1 and 2 World Wars, too, spotted to blame?

                  Are Bulgarians to blame? Did they unleash two world wars?
                  1. Ros 56
                    Ros 56 4 May 2021 12: 15
                    +2
                    On which side did they take part?
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 12: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: Ros 56
                      On which side did they take part?

                      You pointed to them as the culprits in the outbreak of wars. Not? And then, Stalin had the honor and courage to say: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain," and you still cannot understand the difference between peoples and corrupt governments.
                      1. Ros 56
                        Ros 56 4 May 2021 12: 58
                        +1
                        Leave these tales for youngsters, all these governments do not come from the moon, but it is this very people who chooses them, because there is no mind.
                        Many now and here complain, only some about the high cost in stores, and others about restrictions on going on vacation (just don't understand why) and about the ban on the import of jamon and parmesan.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 13: 01
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                        Quote: Ros 56
                        all these governments do not come from the moon, but it is this very people who chooses them,

                        Did you choose Gorbachev and Medvedev? ))))) Should I ask you for them?
                      3. Ros 56
                        Ros 56 4 May 2021 13: 04
                        0
                        In addition to me, there are still a lot of people in the country, and they are in demand. I mean, start asking yourself. negative
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 13: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Ros 56
                        I mean, start asking yourself.

                        Here I am about the same. Of course, we bear responsibility for both Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but you remember very well under what slogans they went. And remember Yakovlevskaya's propaganda, if only we knew then that the Pravda newspaper was writing the truth ...
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 3 May 2021 17: 57
      +3
      Quote: pytar

      Absolutely! And weapons and ... kill people! Criminal, immoral business!
      All countries have a Ministry of Defense - the Ministry of Defense.
      All countries buy weapons for the "Ministry of Defense".
      Weapons do not kill people - PEOPLE killing other people with weapons ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 3 May 2021 18: 29
        -1
        Weapons do not kill people - PEOPLE kill other people with weapons ...

        Precisely said! good Respect! hi
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  • Clear
    Clear 3 May 2021 15: 58
    +4
    Quote: pytar
    These are the "brothers"

    Artem, Emelyan Gebrev is neither my Bulgarian brother, nor you! In general, an arms dealer is not a brother to anyone, they are the opposite of this concept! They have no nationality, they represent an international syndicate of a special order. A style in which there is no morality and conscience. hi

    Well said good
  • sabakina
    sabakina 3 May 2021 16: 59
    -3
    pytar, tell me honestly, why do you mow like a Bulgarian when you can write in pure Russian without mistakes? recourse
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 17: 46
      0
      pytar, tell me honestly, why do you mow like a Bulgarian when you can write in pure Russian without mistakes?

      Vyacheslav, you gave me a big compliment! good Thank you! drinks I have already explained somewhere. With all that, I will remain the Bulgarian, as I was born, lived and so I will die. yes Balgarin and se naricham, great joy for me!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 3 May 2021 17: 21
    +3
    There is only a difference: the Russian Bout, who sold weapons, is in an American prison, and the Bulgarian Gebrev, who sells weapons to Ukraine, is at large. Who does he work for? And why won't Bulgaria itself deal with him? In addition, the ammunition sold by Gebrev is killing the inhabitants of the LPR.
    And the weapons sold by Booth are being used against the world gendarme, the United States. And this is a FAIR thing.
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 18: 40
      -3
      There is only a difference: the Russian Bout, who sold weapons, is in an American prison, and the Bulgarian Gebrev, who sells weapons to Ukraine, is at large.

      Not interested in the details of the case with Bout, but as far as I know, he was involved in smuggling? He was convicted of 25 years in prison for negotiating the supply of weapons from people who identified themselves as Colombian rebels. They turned out to be an informant for the American Drug Enforcement Service (DEA). Bout was also convicted of a conspiracy to kill American citizens, and preparation for the delivery of a surface-to-air missile to the terrorist organization FARC. By the way, there are many American citizens in American prisons for illegal arms trade, so the situation is clear here. Crime is crime, no matter what nationality.
      As for Gebrev, his company EMCO is one of the largest in Europe. Sells weapons in accordance with international laws. Ukraine is not under sanctions, there is no ban on sales to this country. In fact, Gebrev did not violate any laws, and morality in this profitable business does not exist. Even if there was, he actually has some kind of kinship with Ukraine! Russia also sells weapons to anyone who can pay for it.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 4 May 2021 16: 36
        +1
        What's the difference between Booth and Gebrev? The actions are the same. Booth also sold without breaking the laws. But Booth is a stranger to Zapadlyug, and Gebrev is his own. The United States twisted the arms of a third country to extradite Bout to the United States, and there he was convicted not under international law, but under US law, which in itself is already a violation of all international norms.
        "Russia also sells weapons to anyone who can pay for it."
        Russia, unlike Booth and Gebrev, is not a private shop and sells weapons under OFFICIAL contracts. Feel the difference if you can.
        1. pytar
          pytar 4 May 2021 16: 58
          -3
          What's the difference between Booth and Gebrev? The actions are the same. Booth also sold without breaking the laws. But Booth is a stranger to Zapadlyug, and Gebrev is his own.

          You don’t read what is written. Booth violated specific laws! For that he was condemned! What laws did Gebrev violate? Russia sells under the same official laws as Gebrev sells! Most of the companies in the world are private, in Russia there are also many of them! The difference between Booth and Gebrev is that the former deals with smuggling, and the latter under the law.
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein 4 May 2021 17: 02
            +2
            If Booth violated something, then only the laws of the United States, and Booth, a citizen of the Russian Federation and the laws of the United States, is not his problem. And you haven't read that Booth was essentially kidnapped in a third country by the Americans, which is also a crime. And the United States nefig carry out color revolutions and climb to establish their regimes in third countries.
            1. pytar
              pytar 4 May 2021 17: 29
              -2
              If Booth violated something, then only the laws of the United States, and Booth, a citizen of the Russian Federation and the laws of the United States, is not his problem. And you haven't read that Booth was essentially kidnapped in a third country by the Americans, which is also a crime.

              Boris, stop inventing an alternative reality! Smuggling is not just US law. Booth was put on the international wanted list by several countries, by the way, even the UN imposed a ban on his movement and the freezing of his accounts. On March 6, 2008, at the Sofitel Silom Road Hotel, Bout was detained by the Thai police. The arrest warrant was issued by a Thai court, and subsequently transferred to the United States through international cooperation in the fight against organized crime. Booth, by the way, admitted part of the charges and deservedly sit.
              And the United States nefig carry out color revolutions and climb to establish their regimes in third countries.

              And Russia will have enough support with various dictators, in truth nothing new, the USSR also supported.
              1. boris epstein
                boris epstein 4 May 2021 17: 47
                +3
                For some reason, it was the US NATO allies who filed it on the international wanted list. The United States likes to hide behind its allies, and even now they themselves have unilaterally withdrawn from the Open Skies Treaty, while the United States' NATO allies have not. And the United States receives information from them from inspections over the territory of Russia, while the Russian Federation cannot receive information from inspections over the territory of the United States.
                About an alternative reality. It was Bulgaria, hiding behind Brussels, that slowed down the construction of the South Stream. And shit to herself. Now the Turkish Stream and the hub have been built in Turkey. And it could be in Bulgaria and Bulgaria could receive much more income from the distribution of gas in southern Europe than it now receives from transit.
                "... by the way, even the UN imposed a ban on his movement and the freezing of his accounts."
                And the same six of the United States voted for this in the UN. So Gebrev SHOULD sit quite deservedly - his weapon kills not so much LDNR soldiers as civilians. Yesterday residents of 1954 and 1956 received explosive amputations of the lower extremities near Horlivka during cattle grazing. Is it on Gebrev's mines?
                But even the OSCE observers do not cite a single case of death or injury of civilians in the territories of the LPR occupied by Ukraine.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 May 2021 19: 19
                  -2
                  For some reason, it was the US NATO allies who filed it on the international wanted list. The US likes to hide behind allies.

                  Clear! A bandit ceases to be a bandit if he is a Russian ... lol
                  And now they themselves have unilaterally withdrawn from the Open Skies Treaty, but the US NATO allies have not.

                  Have we dealt with Viktor Bout, will we deal with DON? Doesn't it bother you to jump from topic to topic? laughing
                  About an alternative reality.

                  And I mean her ... you live there. And I visit her from time to time. laughing
                  It was Bulgaria, hiding behind Brussels, that slowed down the construction of the South Stream.

                  Yes, they don’t want your pipe to the EU, jump over your head, they don’t want to, and that’s all! laughing
                  Now the Turkish Stream and the hub have been built in Turkey.

                  I recently participated in the acceptance of the Balkan Stream. Everything is fine with him! laughing
                  And it could be in Bulgaria and Bulgaria could receive much more

                  Could not. This idea turned out to be fruitless. Bulgaria would go bankrupt, that's what would happen! yes
                  And the same sixes from the United States voted for this in the UN.

                  Russia has the right to veto, doesn't it? laughing
                  So Gebrev SHOULD sit well deservedly - his weapon kills not so much LDNR soldiers as civilians.

                  Any weapon kills civilians unfortunately. What is Russian, what is American, what is Chinese, there is no difference.
                  Yesterday residents of 1954 and 1956 received explosive amputations of the lower extremities near Horlivka during cattle grazing. Is it on Gebrev's mines?

                  Very sorry! From the side of Ukraine, they cleaned the entire strip, but in the LPNR not yet? belay
                  ... in the territories of the LPNR occupied by Ukraine.

                  Where are the boundaries of the so-called. LDNR? Who paid for what? By the way, can you tell me how they are fighting the separatists in Russia?
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                  2. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 5 May 2021 16: 35
                    0
                    Article: "The Prosecutor General of the Czech Republic admitted the likelihood of the suspension of the case in Vrbetica
                    Earlier that day, the Czech opposition said that Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Jan Hamacek should resign after media reports allegedly plans to come to an agreement with the Russian Federation before being publicly accused of involvement in the explosions at an arms depot in Vrbetica. According to this information, Hamacek wanted to travel to Moscow in mid-April and agree that Prague would not report the incident in Vrbetica in exchange for holding a possible Russia-US summit in the Czech capital. In addition, the politician allegedly wanted to negotiate a free supply of the Russian Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine. "
                    But this is no disguised blackmail
                    "... On April 25, Czech President Milos Zeman said that the intelligence report did not contain evidence of the involvement of 'Russian agents' in the explosion. He also drew attention to the fact that the country's counterintelligence, even in the closed part of the reports, had not reported anything about certain "Russian agents." He also urged to wait for the results of the investigation of the incident before drawing conclusions. "
                    What is it like?
                  3. pytar
                    pytar 5 May 2021 22: 11
                    0
                    The media write a lot of things. As for Zeman, he is pro-Russian and does not hide it.
                    Here's another interesting post:
                    Prague reported how Russia prepared for charges of explosions in warehouses
                    The head of the Czech military intelligence, Jan Beroun, said that Russia began to deny information about its involvement in the explosions at military depots even before Prime Minister Andrei Babis and Deputy Prime Minister Jan Hamacek made such accusations.

                    We have a proverb: Gusen is not a guy! / guilty escapes and when not looked for /. laughing
                    https://news.mail.ru/politics/46212675/?frommail=1
                    Let the Czech police and the investigation deal with the perpetrators in the Czech Republic. And in Bulgaria, the Ministry of Internal Affairs Ekaterina Zakharieva and Russia. Ambassador Eleonora Mitrofanova agreed to conduct a joint investigation of the Bulgarians. with Russia. the prosecutor's office. This is the right approach! good I wrote somewhere along the branches about this novelty. hi
                  4. boris epstein
                    boris epstein Yesterday, 16: 16
                    0
                    "As for Zeman, he is pro-Russian and does not hide it."
                    Don't look for a black cat in a dark room. Firstly, you will not find it, and secondly, it may not be there.
                    About explosions. Explosions of warehouses in Ukraine occurred before the start
                    ATO-OOS. In particular, the explosion of warehouses in Artemovsk. But then NOBODY blamed Russia. Reason: The ammunition was plundered by the army officials themselves and sold to the left. They blamed everything on the welder. Okay, Ukraine. Who then blew up warehouses in Russia? Near Irkutsk, near Vladivostok? Based on your logic, Gebrev! Eliminated competitors. But Russia is morally superior and therefore itself investigated and did not blame ANY foreigner.
                    "We have a proverb: Gusen is not a guy! / Guilty runs away and when they don't look for him /. Laughing
                    https://news.mail.ru/politics/46212675/?frommail=1
                    Let the Czech police and the investigation deal with the perpetrators in the Czech Republic. And in Bulgaria, the Ministry of Internal Affairs Ekaterina Zakharieva and Russia. Ambassador Eleonora Mitrofanova agreed to conduct a joint investigation of the Bulgarians. with Russia. the prosecutor's office. This is the right approach! "
                    With this, in fact, it was necessary to start. For seven years, no one seriously understood! But even BEFORE the trial, Boshirov and Petrov were immediately accused.
                    Then your proverb will be just in place.
                    There are analogues of your proverb in the Russian language. "The thief's hat is on fire." "Loudest" Stop the thief! (Boshirova and Petrova) "the thief himself is shouting." So look for the thief YOURSELF.
                  5. pytar
                    pytar Today, 08: 36
                    0
                    Вот и ищите вора У СЕБЯ.

                    Он уже вполне ясен. И не у нас он, не у нас... No.
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 3 May 2021 14: 41
    +9
    Yes, indeed, 2 world wars and both are not our allies.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 12
      -10%
      Were there already your allies in the ATS during the Cold War and what?
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 3 May 2021 15: 50
        +8
        No, it didn't happen hot. Now what?
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 3 May 2021 16: 01
          -7
          Now Nitsche, let’s sit, push some seeds / popcorn and watch for you.
      2. Clear
        Clear 3 May 2021 16: 02
        +6
        Quote: Mac Sim
        Were there already your allies in the ATS during the Cold War and what?

        Count the dead, in the post-Soviet space, since the collapse of the USSR, and so no No.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 3 May 2021 16: 24
          -4
          Che - Nitsche, and the victims in the post-Soviet space should not be hanged on our conscience. Deal with your history, and do not force someone else's.
          1. Clear
            Clear 3 May 2021 16: 31
            +4
            Quote: Mac Sim
            Che - Nitsche, and the victims in the post-Soviet space should not be hanged on our conscience. Deal with your history, and do not force someone else's.

            With you, about conscience, we have not been talking since the 00s No., I, about the international policy of Russia.
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 May 2021 17: 08
              -5
              With you, about conscience, we have not been talking since the 00s

              You, somewhere in the meantime, have forgotten what conscience is ... You betrayed everyone, and betrayed yourself, and yelling "you are all traitors."
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            2. Maksim
              Maksim 3 May 2021 19: 05
              -2
              So I don’t understand what is your international position today? Well, like - what touched him with his statement that everything that could be merged in the 80s and 90s was merged. And then you look askance at the other, and even call them traitors, although they have already carried out an educational program on the fingers - if you expel someone from the military alliance, he cannot be a traitor in any way. Except in some very alternative universes with especially gifted characters.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 18: 05
          -1
          Quote: Clear
          Count the dead, in the post-Soviet space, since the collapse of the USSR, and so no

          The same Bulgarians are to blame?
          1. Clear
            Clear 3 May 2021 18: 51
            +2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Quote: Clear
            Count the dead, in the post-Soviet space, since the collapse of the USSR, and so no

            The same Bulgarians are to blame?

            Yes. It all starts small.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 3 May 2021 18: 54
              0
              Quote: Clear
              Yes. It all starts small.

              How is your health? Is it the Bulgarians that destroyed the USSR?
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 3 May 2021 19: 06
                +4
                Quote: pytar
                You, somewhere in the meantime, have forgotten what conscience is ... You betrayed everyone, and betrayed yourself, and yelling "you are all traitors."

                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Quote: Clear
                Yes. It all starts small.

                How is your health? Is it the Bulgarians that destroyed the USSR?

                I understand it is about the current policy of Bulgaria.
                Bulgaria betrays its own history. Official Sofia does not want to remember the liberation of the country from the occupation of Turkey and the Third Reich.
                The Bulgarian Foreign Ministry said that Russia should not support the "dubious historical thesis" that the Soviet Union's struggle against Nazi Germany was the liberation of Europe.
                The Bulgarian department also noted that the Red Army "brought the peoples of Central and Eastern Europe half a century of repression."
                1. Clear
                  Clear 3 May 2021 19: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: Terenin
                  I understand it is about the current policy of Bulgaria.

                  And not only about the current ...

                  hi
                2. pytar
                  pytar 3 May 2021 19: 55
                  -1
                  Bulgaria betrays its own history. Official Sofia does not want to remember about the liberation of the country from the occupation of Turkey ... ”.

                  Gennady, but this is not true, replicated by some ru-media! A week ago, a new replenishment of the Bulgarian army solemnly took an oath at the foot of the Shipka monument.
                  We remember everything, respect and honor our Russian brothers! But this does not mean that I, who have been brought up in love for Russia and the Russians, must unconditionally accept the policies of the current Russian authorities! Frankly, I and many of my fellow citizens do not like it!
                  The Bulgarian Foreign Ministry said that Russia should not support the "dubious historical thesis" that the Soviet Union's struggle against Nazi Germany was the liberation of Europe.

                  The thesis is ambiguous. The USSR really liberated Europe from Nazism, but then forcibly forced the peoples of BE to live under a totalitarian political system alien to them. To liberate means to give freedom to people to live as they want to live!
                  The Bulgarian department also noted that the Red Army “brought the peoples of Central and Eastern Europe half a century of repression

                  Indeed, large-scale repressions were carried out. Among the destroyed purges are many anti-fascists. Camps, gulags, taking away the right to freedom of opinion, etc. human rights, everything was. Therefore, now in none of the EE countries, the communist parties have no support. From the word at all!
                  In short, the views of the countries are opposite. This cannot be changed, it would be wiser for everyone in his monastery to live according to his own charter. hi
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 3 May 2021 21: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: pytar
                    Gennady, but this is not true, replicated by some ru-media!

                    Boyan, I know that the majority of Bulgarians still consider Russians to be brothers, but they do not determine the policy of Sofia.
                    Hence the desire of the official Sofia to forget all the great good that Russia has done for Bulgaria, and to repaint white into black.
                    Historians and publicists fulfill the state order: in every possible way they underestimate, delete and denigrate the role of Russia in the history of Bulgaria.
                    The leading positions in power, economy and the press belong to a small pro-Western group (only a few percent of the population), but it is it that determines the political course of the country and the growth of Russophobic, anti-Soviet sentiments in society.
                    Bulgaria, in fact, has become a semi-colony of the West, under the leadership of "experts" in the destruction of competitors from the IMF and the World Bank.

                    Quote: pytar
                    This cannot be changed, it would be wiser for everyone in his monastery to live according to his own charter.

                    Live, but it is advisable not to forget that your standard of living has dropped by half compared to the mid-80s, the country's production potential has been practically destroyed.
                    Now Bulgaria is a simple consumer within the EU. And Sofia grovels in front of Brussels, begging for funding.
                    There is little work, only in the tourism sector, but it is also seasonal.
                    It is not surprising that the people are rapidly dying out, and young people are fleeing to the developed countries of the EU, occupying the position of second or third class people, slaves in the “European Reich”.
                    Thus, over the past three decades, the population of Bulgaria has decreased by almost a quarter, to 7 million people. At the same time, this demographic trend is only increasing. In addition, the number of Bulgarians is decreasing, while the number of Turks and Roma is increasing.

                    Here, my friend Boyan and
                    Quote: pytar
                    Camps, gulags, taking away the right to freedom of opinion, etc. human rights, everything was. Therefore, now in none of the EE countries, the communist parties have no support.


                    hi
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 3 May 2021 22: 05
                      -3
                      Gennady, I can refute everything that you wrote, line by line! From the facts! But I wondered, why? request After all, if a person wants to believe in anything, let him believe! It's ego if it feels better this way!
                      You know, I lived in those years, I know, I can compare. I can compare the situations in Russia and Bulgaria today. Half of them are Russians. I will only say that even in the current corona crisis, we are definitely not worse than yours. And we are a country without resources, we have neither oil nor gas! Yes, everything in the world goes to bad, difficult events await us all! But what is the example of Russia, some show-off, chauvinism and proganda! The Russians themselves have already begun to realize how the authorities are deceiving them, and those who still believe watch too much TV. He is as far from reality as Mars is from Earth. Be healthy, may everything be good for you and your family! hi
                    2. Terenin
                      Terenin 4 May 2021 09: 04
                      +5
                      Quote: pytar
                      But what is the example of Russia, some show-off, chauvinism and proganda! The Russians themselves have already begun to realize how the authorities are deceiving them, and those who still believe watch too much TV.

                      So, simply, between the lines, to throw the word "chauvinism", with insignificant "show-off and propaganda" on which the West grew up.
                      Can you specify which peoples are discriminated against, exploited and oppressed by the authorities in Russia?
                      Not confused with the United States and its vassals, to whom our brothers also got? Or with Ukraine, where it was officially forbidden to speak Russian.

                      And, of course, my friend, you too
                      Quote: pytar
                      be healthy, may everything be good for you and your family!

                      hi
                    3. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 09: 16
                      -2
                      Quote: Terenin
                      Can you specify which peoples are discriminated against, exploited and oppressed by the authorities in Russia?

                      And how many peoples live in Russia? This is exactly how much the government discriminates, exploits and oppresses. Do not agree? Remember the pension reform, the degradation of education, the collapse of medicine. The death rate exceeded the birth rate by half a million people. As for me, this is already called genocide, and someone should be tried for it.
                    4. Terenin
                      Terenin 4 May 2021 10: 50
                      +5
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And how many peoples live in Russia?

                      Envy, foreigners, 190 nationalities live in Russia!

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      this is how much power discriminates, exploits and oppresses. Do not agree? Remember the pension reform, the degradation of education, the collapse of medicine. The death rate exceeded the birth rate by half a million people. As for me, this is already called genocide, and someone should be tried for it.
                      When everything is cooked together, in a cauldron, on a hunt, this is called shulum.
                    5. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 11: 12
                      -1
                      Quote: Terenin
                      When everything is cooked together, in a cauldron, on a hunt, this is called shulum.

                      Well, not only on the hunt, a ram mode or a piglet, we cook the same shulum.)))) Only in essence, what comment can you say? It doesn't get better. I don't even know when it was worse, in the 90s or now. And about chauvinism, the same pytar is right. More and more screams about the "Russian genetic code", "Russian exclusive mission", and it will not take long to get to fascism. Whose fault is it that the people are living worse and worse? Why is the Russian population dying out? And not only Russian. Why is housing in Bulgaria cheaper and higher salaries? In the Baltics, and in that one, salaries are almost twice as high, and the prices for food are not very different? The level of exploitation of workers in the Russian Federation is much higher than in Europe, we will soon catch up with Africa.
                    6. Terenin
                      Terenin 4 May 2021 13: 09
                      +4
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      More and more screams about the "Russian genetic code"

                      Yes, we have this code. Your indignation confirms this.

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      "Russian exceptional mission",
                      And, history confirms this mission. Vaughn, even Putar will confirm wink


                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      I don't even know when it was worse, in the 90s or now.
                      I know. It was worse in the 90s.

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      and it won't take long to get to fascism.
                      You don't know Russians very well.


                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Whose fault is it that the people are living worse and worse?
                      lives no worse, but the Russian government (economic bloc with Western adoration) is rubbish.


                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Why is housing in Bulgaria cheaper and higher salaries? In the Baltics, and in that one, salaries are almost twice as high, and the prices for food are not very different? The level of exploitation of workers in the Russian Federation is much higher than in Europe, we will soon catch up with Africa.
                      God forbid Russia from the current problems of the leading European countries, not to mention Bulgaria and the Baltic states.
                    7. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 14: 02
                      -3
                      Quote: Terenin
                      Yes, we have this code. Your indignation confirms this.

                      Quote: Terenin
                      And, history confirms this mission. Vaughn, even Putar will confirm

                      This is where Nazism begins. Remember the Aryan mission, they did not immediately become so. Regarding genes, open school textbooks on biology (zoology), if you find there any references to the influence of genes on the character (moral-volitional) qualities of an individual, let me know.))))
                    8. Terenin
                      Terenin 4 May 2021 20: 02
                      +4
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Regarding genes, open school textbooks on biology (zoology), if you find there any references to the influence of genes on the character (moral-volitional) qualities of an individual,


                      This influence should not be looked for in school textbooks, but grandchildren's glory is laid in the feats of arms of the grandchildren!

                      Foreigners do not understand this No.




                    9. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 21: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: Terenin
                      This influence should not be looked for in school textbooks, but grandchildren's glory is laid in the feats of arms of the grandchildren!

                      Do not try to justify your Nazism by the exploits of your ancestors. Exactly the same thing was done by one well-known corporal, with a small mustache. How he painted the exploits of the representatives of the Aryan race. And how many pictures are there about how their clergymen escort their knights to the "holy land" with the noble mission of freeing the Holy Sepulcher? I will tell you a little secret, every nation has its own heroes, and these heroes performed feats for the benefit of their people. Putting your nation above others is the real Nazism. Once again I tell you
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      open school textbooks on biology (zoology), if you find there any references to the influence of genes on the character (moral-volitional) qualities of an individual, let me know.))))

                      And there is no need to cover up your animal Nazism with patriotic pictures.
                    10. Maksim
                      Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 49
                      -2
                      In good good good
                      Nationalists of all stripes should read your post. Although will they understand?
                    11. Terenin
                      Terenin 4 May 2021 23: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And there is no need to cover up your animal Nazism with patriotic pictures.

                      Mine is enough for you
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      animal Nazism


                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      I will tell you a little secret, every nation has its own heroes,
                      I don't need to, open it up for yourself, maybe remember why, after all, your ancestors fought.

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Putting your nation above others is the real Nazism.
                      There is still a thesis - "salt must be salty!"

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Once again I tell you
                      by itself, do not equal.
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                  2. pytar
                    pytar 5 May 2021 09: 42
                    -2
                    Respect to you, dear Alexey! Devastating Word! good Hot to the addressees, it is unlikely to come ...
                  3. Terenin
                    Terenin 5 May 2021 10: 06
                    +3
                    Quote: pytar
                    Respect to you, dear Alexey! Devastating Word! good Hot to the addressees, it is unlikely to come ...

                    laughing Thank you. They made me laugh. You still have an analogue of the G7 here.
                    Foreigners are not accustomed to "tinkering" provocations against Russia, for the sake of a micro-credit, or a simple pat on the shoulder. Understand. But, expect an economic response from Russia.
                  4. pytar
                    pytar 5 May 2021 14: 19
                    +1

                    Hot to the addressees, it is unlikely to come ...



                    Thank you. They made me laugh. You still have an analogue of the G7 here.
                    Foreigners are not accustomed to "tinkering" provocations against Russia, for the sake of a micro-credit, or a simple pat on the shoulder. Understand. But, expect an economic response from Russia.


                    As expected, it did not come! Do you by any chance work in the RF post office? lol
            2. Maksim
              Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 47
              -2
              Only in Russia are heroes, no? Or refuse, say, Frenchmen, Germans and Austrians with Swedes to have their heroes. When your Vlasov drew a picture, in Japan the officers did not give up for 40 years after the end of the database.
            3. Terenin
              Terenin 4 May 2021 23: 34
              +4
              Quote: Mac Sim
              When your Vlasov drew a picture, in Japan the officers did not give up for 40 years after the end of the database.

              Vlasov, we drew on the gallows, in a noose.
              And, the Japanese hero Hiroo Onoda, has already turned over in his grave 100 times, due to the venality of his descendants.
            4. Maksim
              Maksim 4 May 2021 23: 43
              -3
              I don't know who Captain Onoda's descendant is, but they are building aircraft carriers again. And what about the descendants of Vlasov - I see they are walking around in your media. Che-t hung poorly.
            5. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 4 May 2021 23: 59
              -1
              Quote: Terenin
              Vlasov, we drew on the gallows, in a noose.

              Only his ideological descendants are in power today. Memorial plaques are hung up to Mannerheim, monuments are being erected to Krasnov, and they are trying to rehabilitate Kolchak. And you serve them faithfully. Do not you remember the Second World War.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 3 May 2021 17: 04
    0
    Quote: Mac Sim
    There were already your allies in the ATS during the Cold and what?

  • pytar
    pytar 3 May 2021 14: 25
    -6
    Investigator Christo Grozev of Bellingcat provides detailed coverage on the topic:


    Evidence of the involvement of the Russians, of course, has not been presented. As they say: highley like.

    Last Monday, Ross. Ambassador to Sofia, Eleonora Mitrofanova, was invited to speak at the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry. According to representatives of the Ministry, Ms. Mitrofanov was provided with confidential evidence during the investigation, which is not publicly available.
    Interestingly, after this meeting, Ms. Mitrofanova did not make any statements and is silent for the time being, although before that she had spoken out several times in the spirit of “no proof”.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 3 May 2021 14: 29
      +1
      Brothers, they are such "brothers". winked
      1. pytar
        pytar 3 May 2021 14: 34
        +1
        Brothers, they are such "brothers"

        Emelyan Gebrev has Ukrainian roots. I don’t remember if it’s my grandfather or some of his relatives from Zaporozhye. Emelyan is not a Bulgarian name, there are probably a couple of dozen of them in all of Bulgaria. hi
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 May 2021 14: 45
          -3
          Emelyan Gebrev has Ukrainian roots.

          I wrote ... and the pro-Ukrainian warriors of the information front disguised as VO immediately minus! wassat Guys, you are so exposed! Do not follow the example of Petrov and Bashirova! laughing
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          2. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 3 May 2021 16: 30
            +4
            Guys, you are so exposed!

            And how you glow))
            Compare your two comments above. In the first, he is a real foreigner, not bad, but still not competently writes in Russian. In the second -
            disguised
            Even such a "complex" word, not every Russian will write without mistakes, and your entire comment is ideal (almost) Petrov and Bashirov wrong - they bowed and forgot the comma.
            It seems to me - "The Tsar is not real !!!"))
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 May 2021 17: 13
              -1
              Compare your two comments above. In the first, he is a real foreigner, not bad, but still not competently writes in Russian. In the second -

              It often happens to me, I have already explained. I wrote it with mistakes - it's definitely me, and if it's written correctly, then my spouse corrected it. Well, she also prepares food in the kitchen ... laughing
              1. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 3 May 2021 17: 30
                +2
                Received))
                Sincerely laughing
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        2. Black lotos
          Black lotos 3 May 2021 16: 11
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Emelyan Gebrev has Ukrainian roots.

          Duc Ukrainians are not present (if you believe the section History on VO), then all Russian. So the trace is Russian laughing
          Maybe a distant relative of Peter and Bashirov laughing (bratelnik)
          1. pytar
            pytar 3 May 2021 16: 51
            -3
            You will probably be surprised, but in the register of bulg. firms selling weapons, among the owners there are many persons with purely Russian names ... I don’t know, maybe because of this it is no longer available. bully
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 3 May 2021 18: 27
              +1
              Strange conclusions, such as a Ukrainian surname, which means not a Bulgarian. In Russia, for example, Barclay de Tolly is considered a Russian military leader, as well as Vlasov, a Russian traitor. request
              1. pytar
                pytar 3 May 2021 19: 59
                -2
                Strange conclusions, such as a Ukrainian surname, which means not a Bulgarian.

                You obviously do not understand or pretends that you do not understand. Here at VO everyone is yelling at Bulgarians, like Emelyan Gebrev is a Bulgarian! Not really, in the genealogy he has a connection with the Ukrainian-Russian lands. In fact, it doesn't matter, he first of all arms dealer and with this everything is said.
                1. Monster_Fat
                  Monster_Fat 4 May 2021 08: 55
                  +1
                  Yes, I understood everything correctly - the position: to cling to the good, to excuse the bad. Like selling weapons with a Ukrainian surname, which means - not a Bulgarian, but ... a Ukrainian or even ... over there, with Russian roots, such as ethnic Bulgarians are not capable of this, yeah. So I say an interesting position - all that is bad is not done by real Bulgarians in Bulgaria, but by "aliens", but real ones are white and fluffy. Yeah. yes
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 4 May 2021 11: 34
                    -1
                    Yes, I have never said anywhere that Gebrev is good! Damn, I would attach this / the censor / to the wall! There are simply facts, there are specifics. It is impossible to knock down, because of one thing at all. You also have a lot of bad ones, after all!
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 3 May 2021 14: 36
      +6
      They've already been told everything. Quite specific. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation qualified these accusations as an aggravation of "anti-Russian spy mania. It would have been something new long ago that the Bulgarian media would have ruined. And creating a certain mysterious veil for the sake of intrigue in itself explains everything))) 10 years nothing, and here behind the Czechs babakh) there are Estonian are investigators working?)
      1. pytar
        pytar 3 May 2021 16: 23
        -6
        The Russian Foreign Ministry qualified these accusations as an exacerbation of "anti-Russian spy mania."

        Hahaha! And what can they say? "Yes! We blew it up?" How do you imagine this?
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          1. pytar
            pytar 3 May 2021 17: 39
            -2
            I can not imagine. I assess the situation.

            In this case, see it visually!

            Questioned persons who visited BG with fake passports identified. Doesn't it seem strange to you that they were just in periods of explosions. Were they looking at the spiers? 6 explosions, in such a short interval it is too strange ... All of them are at the enterprises of EMCO, which supplied weapons to Ukraine ... As a result, some of the supplies were not realized and Gebrev did not have time to earn the maximum.
            I am not making excuses for Gebrev, he is still such a / censor /. But after all, it is very clear who was interested in the failure in supplies, because there was a real war!
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 3 May 2021 21: 01
              +3
              Dear Boyan, maybe everything is simpler?
              Explosion is the perfect way to cover up theft. While the Chechen wars were going on with us, every now and then the arsenals exploded, and as it all ended, it was magically stopped.
              As far as the explosion in the Czech Republic is concerned, it seems to me that in these left-wing warehouses they stupidly hammered into safety precautions with slightly predictable consequences.
              Well, about Gebrev, I fully agree with you. It doesn't matter what kind of passport he has, even Paraguayan.
              1. pytar
                pytar 3 May 2021 21: 44
                -4
                Dear Boyan, maybe everything is simpler? Explosion is the perfect way to cover up theft. While the Chechen wars were going on in our country, every now and then the arsenals exploded, and as it all ended, it was magically stopped.

                Hello Ivan! hi This version, of course, takes place, but in the given case it is meaningless! Theft occurs from state products. And then there is no point in stealing from himself, or ruining his factory. Moreover, he did not sell the destroyed amount, for him only losses are obtained!
                And besides, a couple, known to all of us, went to the Czech warehouse at that time with fake passports ... Too many coincidences! I understand that many of you do not like it and you really want it to be something else, but the facts are. request
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 3 May 2021 22: 16
                  +5
                  Quote: pytar
                  a couple known to all of us ...

                  If this "couple", as the British special services assure, can carry a deadly poisonous substance in a bottle from under a deodorant, then they did not need to personally appear in warehouses. With such superpowers, they would have blown him up with the power of thought straight from Moscow :)))
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 4 May 2021 00: 02
                    -2
                    With such superpowers, they would have blown him up with the power of thought straight from Moscow :)))

                    Obviously they do not have superpowers, but even they have few abilities. If degradation embraces one society, it permeates everything.
                    1. Senior seaman
                      Senior seaman 4 May 2021 11: 10
                      +2
                      I don't understand here
                      Quote: pytar
                      but even their abilities are few.

                      There was no explosion after all?
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 4 May 2021 12: 03
                        -1
                        There is clearly a crisis, a degradation in the condition and qualifications of the special services. Do not compare with the USSR.
                      2. Senior seaman
                        Senior seaman 4 May 2021 14: 03
                        +2
                        So this is for everyone ...
                        For me in the story with Salisbury, the main shock was that the vaunted English "common sense" turned out to be nothing more than a literary cliché.
                      3. pytar
                        pytar 4 May 2021 17: 03
                        -1
                        So this is for everyone ...

                        Some have more and seemingly ...
                        For me in the story with Salisbury, the main shock was ...

                        And for me the wretchedness of Petrov & Bashirov. Especially when I looked at them at Simonyan's ... lol
                      4. Senior seaman
                        Senior seaman 4 May 2021 17: 16
                        +1
                        And nowhere skipped a beat that this does not happen?
        2. anzar
          anzar 3 May 2021 23: 05
          -1
          Explosion is the perfect way to cover up theft

          Eto private firms, what theft ... Rather, competitors (from Bulgaria or Russia)) tried.
          1. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 3 May 2021 23: 19
            +3
            Quote: anzar
            These are private firms, what thefts ...

            Got insurance?
            Quote: anzar
            Rather, competitors (from Bulgaria or Russia)) tried.

            Or harshly economized on safety precautions.
            1. pytar
              pytar 4 May 2021 00: 09
              -3
              Got insurance?

              What is the point of insurance if you can get 3 - 5 times more from the sale?
              Or harshly economized on safety precautions.

              A series of 6 explosions, during the period when the group of Ross. citizens with fake passports are nearby, and they also poison the owner of this company, which is hardly related to TB ...
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 May 2021 01: 39
                +3
                Quote: pytar
                A series of 6 explosions, during the period when the group of Ross. citizens with fake passports are nearby, and they also poison the owner of this company, it is unlikely

                So who were Petrov and Boshirov hounded there? Navalny or Skripal?
                I'm completely confused ...
                recourse
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 May 2021 09: 55
                  -1
                  Not Petrov & Bashirov, this is a different group. Emelyan Gebrev was poisoned with a phosphate-containing substance.
              2. Senior seaman
                Senior seaman 4 May 2021 11: 08
                +2
                Quote: pytar
                What is the point of insurance if you can get 3 - 5 times more from the sale?

                Under these circumstances, none ... but are you sure you know ALL the information for sure?
                I say right away that no, but the explanations can be very different. And if you remember the existence of formal logic, you should know that if one event happened after another, then it does not necessarily happen as a consequence of it.
                1. pytar
                  pytar Yesterday, 10: 00
                  0
                  I say right away that no, but the explanations can be very different. And if you remember the existence of formal logic, you should know that if one event happened after another, then it does not necessarily happen as a consequence of it.

                  Yes, but what do we have as a fact?
                  In the Czech Republic:
                  1. Explosion of a warehouse with weapons owned by EMKO, which was probably prepared for export in Ukraine.
                  2. Staying several Ross. a citizen with fake passports, who are identified as employees of the GRU, at that time and in this place.
                  In Bulgaria:
                  1.A series of 6 explosions in warehouses and at the EMCO enterprise, which produces and exports weapons for Ukraine.
                  2. Bullying with a phosphate-containing substance owned by EMKO.
                  3. Staying several Ross. a citizen with fake passports, who are identified as employees of the GRU, at that time and in this place. One of them, filmed by CCTV cameras, is smearing Gebrev's car door with some kind of substance.

                  Agree, it is difficult to deny the connection between all these events! hi
                  There is a fact of a crime, there are motives, and there is evidence!
                2. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman Yesterday, 16: 55
                  0
                  Quote: pytar
                  There is a fact of a crime, there are motives, and there is evidence!

                  Stop-stop-stop.
                  There is a fact crime eventsalthough there is no evidence that the detonation was a result of malicious intent. So we still have to figure it out. Maybe the workers smoked in the wrong place.
                  Perhaps there is motive... I am ready to agree that it is in the interests of the Russian Federation to prevent the entry of ammunition (especially such barbaric ones as anti-personnel mines) into the conflict zone.
                  As a first approximation, the presence of the aforementioned gentlemen in the places of the future explosion may indicate that there was opportunity committing a crime. Again, maybe they were just in the vicinity, but kept at a distance of no closer than a few kilometers. (By the way, how is it with the sights?)
                  In other words, there is not a single direct evidence, but only indirect evidence. To raise a buzz in the press, perhaps that is enough. But for a verdict - definitely not.
                3. pytar
                  pytar Today, 09: 06
                  0
                  Есть факт события преступления, хотя нет доказательств, что подрыв произошел в результате злого умысла. Так что тут надо еще разбираться. Может работники курили в неположенном месте.

                  Доказательства тоже есть. Конечно не все что известно следствием, представленно публично. Но Митрофанову, несомнено кое что показали. В ответ обещала содействие по линии договорах БГ-РФ.
                  Пожалуй, есть мотив. Готов согласиться, что недопущение попадания боеприпасов (тем более таких варварских как противопехотные мины) в зону конфликта отвечает интересам РФ.

                  О противопехотных мин упоменали несколько сми и Лавров их цитировал. Чехская прокуратура не потвердила. Насколко я читал, идеть речь о 152 мм снарядах, и 122 РС, а еще о снарядов для минометов. Их тоже мины называют, или ошибаюсь?!
                  In other words, there is not a single direct evidence, but only indirect evidence. To raise a buzz in the press, perhaps that is enough. But for a verdict - definitely not.

                  Иными словами, всем ясно, кто устроил взрывах, но категорически доказать не может. Возможно вы прав, но еще у меня складывается впечатление, что если у чехов есть рвение обострить ситуации, то у Болгарии нет никакое желание. Болгарские власти стали реагировать под нажима событиях, они не инициатор.
  • poquello
    poquello 3 May 2021 14: 39
    +8
    Quote: pytar
    Researcher Hristo Grozev

    how well they made up, and which of them is Bashirov?
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 3 May 2021 14: 55
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    Investigator Christo Grozev of Bellingcat provides detailed coverage on the topic:

    Masha from the video seems to be nothing, everything else is nonsense ... "researcher" ....
  • Clear
    Clear 3 May 2021 16: 16
    +6
    Quote: pytar
    Investigator Christo Grozev of Bellingcat provides detailed coverage on the topic:


    Evidence of the involvement of the Russians, of course, has not been presented. As they say: highley like.

    Last Monday, Ross. Ambassador to Sofia, Eleonora Mitrofanova, was invited to speak at the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry. According to representatives of the Ministry, Ms. Mitrofanov was provided with confidential evidence during the investigation, which is not publicly available.
    Interestingly, after this meeting, Ms. Mitrofanova did not make any statements and is silent for the time being, although before that she had spoken out several times in the spirit of “no proof”.

    Don't tell me about a Russophobic car
    - Bellingquet. Self-respecting people find it bad form to refer to them. yes

    We remember their clumsy "research", or rather, a lie intended for suckers about:
    downed MH17, ...
    PMC Wagner, ...
    events in Belarus, ...
    The penultimate one, that Russians cannot afford anything but food ...
    And the last thing - about the Czech explosions ...

    Chesnooo word winked ... will be typed on the ad ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 16: 40
      -5
      Don't tell me about the Russophobic car - Bellingquet. Self-respecting people find it bad form to refer to them.

      You are simply mistaken, believing that the enemy cannot tell the truth .... Sometimes it can, when he has an interest in this. bully
      You are also so elementarily mistaken if you think that yours cannot lie ... Maybe, for the same reason.
      The world of cloak and dagger is dark ... bully
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 3 May 2021 16: 57
    +6
    With such "evidence" one can suspect everyone, is it possible in your country? I think with such clowns Mrs. Mitrofanova in vain discussed in general, not in pig feed.
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 19: 07
      -6
      With such "evidence" one can suspect everyone, is it possible in your country?

      Which ones? Do you think that all the intelligence and investigation data that should be presented to you personally and here on VO?
      I think with such clowns Mrs. Mitrofanova in vain discussed in general, not in pig feed.

      The Ministry of Internal Affairs said that they would provide confidential information to the Russian ambassador, so they gave it to whomever, and now Mitrofanova is not going to rock the boat.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 3 May 2021 17: 09
    0
    pytar, have you been there? Heard what Ross said. to the ambassador in Sofia and what did they threaten her with? We are the days of the KVDZh, so go by!
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 19: 14
      -4
      sabakina, have you been there? Why did you decide that Mitrofanov was threatened? The fact that the evidence presented to Mitrofanov was very convincing, I judge by the sharp difference in her behavior before and after. It is impossible not to notice this!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 3 May 2021 17: 25
    +3
    Yeah! Bellingcat is another source! How many lies about the Skripals and Boeing have heaped up! The Dutch court has already begun to scratch turnips.
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 19: 17
      -6
      Belinket only voices what the special services know. The conviction “ours are always good,” and “yours are always bad,” only works in the minds of a Russian citizen, and even then not for everyone.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 4 May 2021 16: 28
        +2
        Bellingcat's fabrications are gradually being refuted. And now the Iranian expert has published an article with evidence that the negotiations, allegedly intercepted by the SBU - INSTALLATION! Article: "Iran has evidence of Ukraine's interference in the collapse of MH17." And the Dutch interrogated Tsemakh after his abduction by the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. No information was received. By the way, the kidnapping of Tsemakh is a crime. Yes, and during the downing of the Boeing, Tsemakh was in the hospital for injury. Here you and YOUR "good" ones. Or look for an investigation into the Boeing downing by former SBU Colonel Vasily Prozorov. He presents DOCUMENTS, unlike the USA and Bellingcat. Last but not least, where are the US satellite images?
        1. pytar
          pytar 4 May 2021 17: 00
          -3
          Let the "Iranian expert" submit their evidence to the courts. And you can tell us about "dispatcher Carlos", etc., but don't bother ... every new invention of Ross. power contradicts with its former.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 3 May 2021 14: 31
    +6
    WMD does not kill .. the charges are triggered when they want) they really think that conscripts are doing such things?))) Circus pancake with horses. They sculpt who in what way ...
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 3 May 2021 14: 33
    +3
    Emelyan Gebrev hailey like the next victim of the "newbie"?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 May 2021 16: 27
      +1
      So he was already hounded .. Something doesn’t grow together .. Skripali, Gebriev, Navalny ... The poison is not real !!! Apparently, the utyrkas were needed alive, but etched.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 3 May 2021 17: 18
        +2
        Dima prYuvet! They just do not have a complete formula for this WMD. This time. Second, we were taught to experience the impact of weapons of mass destruction in childhood. As I remember the bleach poured in the toilet in the pioneer camp ... wink
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 3 May 2021 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        So he was already hounded .. Something doesn’t grow together .. Skripali, Gebriev, Navalny ... The poison is not real !!! Apparently, the utyrkas were needed alive, but etched.

        It remains to check where when the Singers have been, - maybe all the "damages" will grow together. laughing laughing
      3. gurzuf
        gurzuf 3 May 2021 20: 44
        +2
        Really poisoned worms?
      4. anzar
        anzar 3 May 2021 23: 11
        -2
        Skripali, Gebriev, Navalny ... The poison is not real!!! Apparently utyrki were needed alive, but etched

        I think so too)) "KGB" creates a legend for them. laughing
  • anjey
    anjey 3 May 2021 14: 49
    +12
    And if this is true, Russia should be proud of this, the warehouses of the "dark" ones associated with the CIA, the mercenary of death, who arm our enemies, have been destroyed. The number and frequency of criminal shelling of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the outskirts of peaceful cities and villages of Donbass, has decreased for some time. laughing .
    1. pytar
      pytar 3 May 2021 14: 57
      -3
      And if this is true, Russia should be proud of this, destroyed the warehouses of the "dark" ones associated with the CIA, the traders of death, who arm our enemies.

      From your point of view, you are absolutely right! good Reducing the combat capability of the Ukrainian army, during the hot fuzzy war in Donbas, limiting the supply of ammunition, was the first task for Russia! Lack of ammunition, dramatically reduces the enemy's ability to resist!
      So do not hesitate - group Ross. special services acted with such tasks both on the territory of Ukraine and on the territory of other countries. yes
      1. anjey
        anjey 3 May 2021 15: 02
        +6
        The United States reformats entire countries around the world for itself, not disdaining military invasion, color revolutions, murder of leaders and gross interference in elections, and then there are some warehouses, not even of state significance and subordination. laughingThe United States deserves more than one international tribunal for its crimes, and the barrel is being rolled against Russia, it is not clear why laughing . Apparently that would justify their crimes and divert the attention of the world electorate from them. Or maybe the warehouses are the work of the CIA. Who is there in this black business will figure out what's what laughing .
        1. pytar
          pytar 3 May 2021 15: 13
          -2
          and then there are some warehouses, not even of national importance and subordination.

          Andrei, it seems to me that the Bulgarian authorities have long known perfectly well what was at stake. All activities of the Russian. special services for these cases were known to them. laughing
          But Bulgaria is not interested in spoiling relations with Russia. They didn't want to get involved in scandals because of some greedy arms dealer. Therefore, they were silent for so many years.
          But the hype raised in the Czech Republic has reached us. With such a serious international resonance, the Bulgarian authorities are not as silent as possible. For all that, the reaction of the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry is rather restrained. Met with Ross. Ambassador Ms. Mitrofanova, showed the facts, explained to her that they needed to do something, and then / my interpretation / agreed to expel the most useless employee from the Russian Embassy in Sofia. So they did it, supposedly they reported, but Mitrofanova is not particularly soared. laughing
          For comparison, because of just one explosion in the Czech Republic, see how many diplomats drove the wallpaper of the country! And in Bulgaria, 6 warehouse was torn open, and ... only one Russian employee was expelled to the Embassy. wink
          1. anjey
            anjey 3 May 2021 15: 20
            +5
            Usually such arms dealers are under the hood of the special services, this is a closed business, it is either at the state level or "shady" under a "good roof". 99% that this Emelyan worked for the CIA, the task is the illegal supply of ammunition to the American project "Ukraine". Then the Yankees used "quiet" supply schemes. And what happened in the warehouses, too, cannot quite lie on the surface and be a clear fact. be "American canned food" on demand laughing
            1. anjey
              anjey 3 May 2021 15: 45
              +3
              The CIA also loves money, they sold ammunition all over the world, money went into private pockets and they blew up insured half-empty warehouses, but they wrote off the ammunition in the warehouses as full to the maximum, that is, everyone remained with Bubble, including the "poor trader" laughing
            2. pytar
              pytar 3 May 2021 16: 36
              -3
              And what happened in the warehouses, too, may not quite lie on the surface and be an obvious fact. It can be "American canned food" on demand

              The scheme described to Hristo Grozevu from Belinket looks more logical to me. Gebrev supplied weapons to the Ukrainian army? Supplied! Did the Russian special services try to reduce the fighting efficiency of the Ukrainian army? Undoubtedly, in all possible ways! Gebrev is the nodal supplier! Its resource from the point of view of Ross. commands are hostile and subject to destructive effects ...
              By the way, Gebrev supplied the Ukrainian army quite legally. Ukraine is not under sanctions, there is no embargo for supplies for it. Moreover, such deliveries cannot be public due to the nature of the goods.
              Suffice it to recall that one of the main tasks in a war is to stop or at least reduce the supply of the enemy army!
              1. anjey
                anjey 3 May 2021 17: 43
                +3
                If everything was so clear and simple and life would be the same laughing
                1. pytar
                  pytar 3 May 2021 17: 55
                  -3
                  If everything was so clear and simple and life would be the same

                  In war, everything is simple. There is an enemy and he must be defeated, limiting all the resources available to him. hi
                  1. anjey
                    anjey 3 May 2021 19: 04
                    +4
                    Consider that now is the era of creative and undeclared wars, for your information Russia is not in a declared state of war with more than one state of the World, but in fact it is necessary to confront the collective West on many invisible fronts, something like this laughingSo not everything is as simple as it sometimes seems laughing
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 3 May 2021 19: 22
                      -2
                      I take into account of course. Accordingly, the role of special services, intelligence, spies and other organizations in the darkness is very important ... And the goals remain the same. When declared war, undermining, sabotage are committed in the open. And with an unusual chiharya, like "it is not we who blow up and poison, it was there that the cleaner burned the sigoretu"... bully
      2. Bagatur
        Bagatur 3 May 2021 16: 38
        -1
        And what to call sabotage on the territory of another state? Terrorism?
        1. anjey
          anjey 3 May 2021 19: 14
          +3
          You ask the residents of the USA, Europe, Turkey and Israel for Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 3 May 2021 19: 33
            -4
            You ask the people of the USA, Europe and Israel for Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria ...

            I asked the locals - more than half of the former "Yugoslavs" say - thanks to NATO, it saved us from the Serbs. Half of the Aussies, they say, thanks to NATO, did not allow the Taliban to cut us out, and at the same time they remembered the USSR, he fought there for a long time against the same Taliban. The Iraqi people are divided in opinions - the Kurdish people are grateful to the United States, the other part of the Iraqis are dissatisfied, but the sadist Saddam is terribly hated. Libya, there is a compote situation, they want to live like under Gaddafi, but without him for sure. Syria - Few love Assad, 4 million have fled the country and do not want to go to Bashar for some reason. And the Kurdish one is definitely not happy with this dentist. In short, everything in the world is ambiguous. What kind of tower you are looking at. hi
            1. anjey
              anjey 3 May 2021 20: 00
              +2
              Judging from your bell tower, like our liberals in terms of height, they are closer to non-resistance and surrender of everything and the entire USA and NATO, and let them divide Russia as they want, they will not revive, but only plunder them and this is good, pro-Western zadoliz and traitors will get something And in this case. And the West does not need a strong and rich Russia, so we have no choice, we will have to go to confrontation, and we are not Iraq and Yugoslavia, we are by many definitions a superpower, whether you want it or not. break off about Russia.
              1. pytar
                pytar 3 May 2021 20: 37
                -4
                It's good that you started to understand - eats and is different than yours! laughing
                A strong and rich Russia, you need first of all, and that's okay. Only for some reason, the richest country in resources in the world, for more than a quarter of a century, cannot get on its feet! And not just get up, but even lower down! Of course, it is possible to blame the West for everything bad, and even convenient, but ... it still seems to me that the wise grandmother told the whole truth:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyVBpbuvda4
                1. anjey
                  anjey 4 May 2021 06: 31
                  +1
                  You see everything clearly, so why don't you want to notice, and now all this clearly shows the powerful pressure of the West (sanctions), first of all, on the economy and unhealthy competition (Nord Stream 2, Nuclear power plant in the Czech Republic) on the verge of war with regional Russia, by all means and by crook they are not allowed to develop from the outside, of course, there are problems inside the country, but who does not have them, maybe Bulgaria? So not every country can withstand such a prolonged pressure, this is more of an undeclared war and you are trying to compare the economy. Even climatically, Russia is more difficult to compete with Bulgaria, energy costs are simply colossal, and you judge so superficially.
              2. Bagatur
                Bagatur 3 May 2021 20: 57
                -4
                Do not confuse Russia with the USA and China! A superpower is not only tanks, planes, missiles, etc. "without analogues in the world"! This is the main SUPEREconomics, everything else comes after this ... As Shimon Peres once said, "Russia is like Nigeria, only there is a lot of snow here ..."
                1. AC130 Ganship
                  AC130 Ganship 3 May 2021 21: 54
                  -2
                  In 2020, Russia was in 11th place in the world in terms of GDP. At the same time, the gap between the 2nd place (China) and the third (Japan) is more than 3 times ...
                  1. Bagatur
                    Bagatur 4 May 2021 15: 11
                    -2
                    And if they count on GDP / h, the difference will increase in geometric progression ...
                    1. anjey
                      anjey 4 May 2021 18: 57
                      0
                      And "Sputnik V", And the sea of ​​Olympic champions in many sports ??? Construction of agricultural holdings throughout the country, Developed nuclear energy. Albeit partial, but liberation from international terrorists - Syria? Not, laughing Russia is not a superpower huh? laughing
                      1. Maksim
                        Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 43
                        -1
                        What super-duper power is it if it carries the astronauts of a potential enemy and sells diesel fuel for the tanks of the killing Russians? Normal capital state, do not tell my slippers.
                2. anjey
                  anjey 4 May 2021 18: 27
                  0
                  And Space and reliable space technology, the development of the Arctic, the construction of an icebreaker fleet, which the United States does not have. The aircraft construction of civil liners, the same Crimean bridge and other new ongoing economic projects, the rise of construction in the regions. And most importantly, trade routes to Europe, the USA and Asia, and you still doubt the superpower Russia laughing Everything will happen over time, the dynamics of development, at least, is in spite of all sorts of sanctions, sometimes reaching the point of idiocy. laughing
                  And listen to the correct Jews, and it is better not to listen to them at all, if you yourself are not a Jew, they say one thing, they think another, but do a third laughing
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 44
                    -1
                    Are you a Jew?
                3. pytar
                  pytar 5 May 2021 09: 45
                  -1
                  Che that super-duper caliber "almost crashed to itself !!! belay
            2. poquello
              poquello 3 May 2021 23: 35
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              Asked by the locals

              I also asked if the man saw the Martians - I don't know whether to believe it or not
              1. pytar
                pytar 3 May 2021 23: 53
                -4
                I also asked if the man saw the Martians - I don't know whether to believe it or not

                There are definitely no Martians, the rover is walking there, and Rogozin is looking behind the illuminator. laughing
                1. poquello
                  poquello 3 May 2021 23: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: pytar
                  I also asked if the man saw the Martians - I don't know whether to believe it or not

                  There are definitely no Martians, the rover is walking there, and Rogozin is looking behind the illuminator. laughing

                  how is it not? he saw them on January 11, February 24 and March 10, and the rover is not walking there
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 4 May 2021 11: 35
                    -3
                    Martians walk with fake passports around warehouses that break in? lol
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 4 May 2021 17: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: pytar
                      Martians walk with fake passports around warehouses that break in? lol

                      I don't know, but judging by the fact that in odd months in the first half and in even months in the second - it is very similar to the truth, it is logical
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 4 May 2021 21: 42
                        -2
                        But these guys are from the group. yes
                      2. Maksim
                        Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 41
                        -1
                        Yah? Direct state terrorism into action. About this either with concrete evidence and presenting for a thousand million, or we are silent in a rag and we will not disgrace ourselves.
                        Although ours said that "it is very likely due to the absence of the fact of sloppiness." By itself, this argument is strong, but only in the territory of Bulgaria.
                      3. poquello
                        poquello 4 May 2021 22: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: pytar
                        But these guys are from the group. yes

                        one small question - were they caught? everything that you broadcast here is not evidence, but fabrication
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 5 May 2021 08: 58
                        0
                        one small question - were they caught? everything that you broadcast here is not evidence, but fabrication

                        These nimble guys managed to safely retreat across the border. Two of them flew out of the airport literally half an hour before the police identified them and filed an arrest warrant.
                        The prosecutor's office later released some of the information - fake passports, real identity, where they stayed, videos, etc. Most of the evidence is confidential. She was introduced to the Russian Ambassador, Ms Mitrofanova, during her meeting in Bulgaria. Foreign Ministry recently. It is significant that Mitrofanova, who had previously very actively denied her involvement, remained silent after reading the materials of the investigation. Not a single statement from her since that moment. Evidently the facts presented by the investigation were quite convincing ... bully
                      5. poquello
                        poquello 5 May 2021 20: 17
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        It is significant that Mitrofanova, who had previously very actively denied her involvement, remained silent after reading the materials of the investigation. Not a single statement from her since that moment.

                        along the way, you just got bored with the Czech Republic, so you stopped paying attention
                      6. pytar
                        pytar 5 May 2021 21: 06
                        0
                        After the meeting of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bulgaria, Yekaterina Zakharieva with the Russian ambassador, Eleonor Mitrofanov, they gave short statements to the press:


                        Ekaterina Zaharieva
                        "Bulgaria wishes to maintain equal and mutually beneficial relations with Russia and in this regard insists on active and effective actions by the Russian side to clarify the circumstances of the incidents on our territory. Attention is drawn to some public comments that the Bulgarian side considers inappropriate.", - said Zakharieva.


                        Eleonora Mitrofanova
                        “The conversation with Zakharieva focused on the latest events and preliminary results of the investigation at the Bulgarian arms factories in the period from 2011 to 2020. The Bulgarian Foreign Minister announced the readiness of the Bulgarian law enforcement agencies to cooperate with Russian specialists. We promised to help them contact them and hold the necessary consultations "- the ambassador said in a statement.

                        The meaning of the above indicates that the wallpaper is country does not want aggravation in relations and intends to jointly solve the problem that has arisen.
                      7. poquello
                        poquello 5 May 2021 21: 55
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        We promised to help them contact them and hold the necessary consultations, ”the ambassador said in a statement.

                        The meaning of the above indicates that the wallpaper is country does not want aggravation in relations and intends to jointly solve the problem that has arisen.

                        ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) "Sports nutrition for beginners and professionals."
  • Maksim
    Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 04
    -2
    Quote: VORON538
    These are the "brothers" angry

    What kind of brother are you for us ??? PartnercheG, no more ...
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 May 2021 15: 06
    +7
    Another "Preved" from another "brotherly" people. When will we end these illusions with the fraternal peoples? Where there is at least a little bobble, all this "brotherhood" sags very quickly ..
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 10
      -1
      And who drove diesel fuel in Ukraine ?? Especially in 2014-15?
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos 3 May 2021 16: 17
        +3
        Quote: Mac Sim
        And who drove diesel fuel in Ukraine ?? Especially in 2014-15?

        but you don’t understand something else .. Lukoil is not in Russia laughing
        And how smartly they are selling permits for the supply of fuel to neighbors, that they have already banned everyone else by their own. There, those who can have the right to fatty deliveries have been monopolized.
        Rosneft cannot be touched at all - the media usually use the Republic of Bashkortostan as a screen for supplies.
        Recently, another daughter of Rosneft was sold from Medvedchuk to an Israeli businessman ... to continue the business.
        In general, if the Russian Federation wanted to sell ammunition to its neighbors, it would calmly sell it even cheaper than the Bulgarians. It is simply pale. And the fuel is calm. War blood is supplied regularly.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 3 May 2021 16: 28
          -3
          Of course another, who would have thought. They are all of the same berry field. But why then holivars with brothers and who spat in the soup for whom (crossed out), who fought against whom?
      2. Clear
        Clear 3 May 2021 16: 21
        +4
        Quote: Mac Sim
        And who drove diesel fuel in Ukraine ?? Especially in 2014-15?

        Yes, our Russian moneybags. What would they be wrong negative
  • Maksim
    Maksim 3 May 2021 15: 06
    -3
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Brothers, they are such "brothers". winked

    Another one is stuffed into the brother. Enough already - your Guarantor said that that approach was dead. No longer brothers, go complain to Sport Lotto.
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  • vetta
    vetta 3 May 2021 16: 08
    +2
    Brothers - Bulgarians, as always, at attention
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 3 May 2021 16: 31
      -4
      Although we have order. Don't be jealous.
  • Charik
    Charik 3 May 2021 16: 15
    +2
    And that it is impossible to catch this Emelyan Gebrev and plant as Buta Americans, all the evidence has already been published in the media
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 3 May 2021 16: 56
    +5
    Bulgarian brothers are still brothers.
    Unfortunately, one of my foremen was Bulgarian. And unfortunately he also became a son-in-law.
    So uncle is a muddy land. Through this, even five years ago, I refused to do business with him.
    He seems to be the right kid ... But at the same time he is muddy ... I don't know. These friends do not inspire confidence in me request
    And there is no desire to have business with them.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 3 May 2021 19: 18
      -3
      Excuse me, but how do “correct” and “muddy” combine in your head? Since he became your son-in-law, it means that they did not mind, and then you do not want to deal with him. And daughter / grandchildren - they are also separate ??? Guard in general request
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 3 May 2021 19: 26
        +2
        They don't match in any way. Therefore, I reported, I have no business with him. For five years already. None.

        And the daughters are not relatives, they do not ask my consent.
        They live their own lives. Unfortunately.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 3 May 2021 20: 24
          -4
          Well, then what is the fuss about? I also don't like a lot of things or who, but I don't go around the world with my claims.
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 3 May 2021 20: 31
            +3
            I do not know.
            You asked the question why the Bulgarians did not please me?
            I answered you. They did not please everyone!
            Someone goes wherever ... I don't give a damn ...
            1. pytar
              pytar 3 May 2021 21: 11
              -4
              I apologize for interfering, your dialogue is interesting! hi
              And the daughters are not relatives, they do not ask my consent.

              Maybe they are doing the right thing!
              They live their own lives. Unfortunately.

              Why "unfortunately"?
              ... why did the Bulgarians displease me? They did not please everyone!

              But the daughters obviously pleased! Great! May the Lord give them happiness and love! good
              I like young people, propaganda did not have time to pierce their brains! Great, really!
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 3 May 2021 21: 19
                -2
                Real life has nothing to do with forum dance. There are many acquaintances who are married to both Russian women and men. One acquaintance by the way lives with her husband in Sevastopol. And here screams - brothers, sold / betrayed / always fought.
                Normal people have long ago put a bolt on all such attempts to rewrite the past.
              2. not main
                not main 3 May 2021 23: 23
                +4
                Quote: pytar
                I like young people, propaganda did not have time to pierce their brains! Great, really!

                I don’t like it! To live for today, not remembering yesterday and not thinking about tomorrow, I feel sorry for these young people! And the propaganda has already "pierced" their brain and this is the propaganda of the MONEY cult! When all!!! Replaced simply by the number of bills! No, not healthy and not healthy!
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 May 2021 00: 01
                  -4
                  Borea youth is pragmatic. Don't believe in fairy tales with propaganda. Whether you like it or not, the new always replaces the old. It is so in nature ...
              3. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter 4 May 2021 17: 16
                +2
                "But the daughters obviously pleased! Great! May the Lord give them happiness and love!"
                So at first, the Uzbeks pleased them. If we already measure in the plural.
                And from pleasing children appear. And we don't see fathers.
                Now the Bulgarians are on the move ...
                And again the children went ... Life teaches nothing ... request (here further obscene expressions go from the author, but they will not be missed.)
                From the word, absolutely.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 4 May 2021 17: 20
                  -3
                  So at first, the Uzbeks pleased them.

                  And you? And hated the Uzbeks? belay

                  And from pleasing children appear. And we don't see fathers.

                  Well, what can I say, it happens in life. It seems to me that all the same it is impossible to make children a tragedy from birth, no matter how the relationship developed there! Children are good, the best on planet Earth!
                  1. Petrol cutter
                    Petrol cutter 4 May 2021 18: 03
                    +1
                    Not at all. Everything is smooth with me both with Uzbeks and Bulgarians.
                    It's not at all about who / what the stepdaughter was making.
                    The point is that Bulgaria is a strange country.
                    She seems to be not an enemy, at the same time she is not a friend ...
                    Who is she?
                    As Comrade Vysotsky taught.
                    Ah Vasya / Vasya, why aren't you with me ?! ..
                    They slapped my grandmother by birth, for nothing ...
                    As Comrade Shevchuk taught.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 4 May 2021 21: 40
                      -2
                      The point is that Bulgaria is a strange country.

                      It is a completely normal country, with normal people. It's just that your knowledge on the topic is minimal, and very distorted.
                    2. Maksim
                      Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 36
                      -2
                      You were poorly taught. Judge for yourself that you do not know.
                      1. Petrol cutter
                        Petrol cutter 5 May 2021 18: 14
                        0
                        As a matter of fact. What I do not know?
                        That Bulgaria is absolutely not with me?
                        And categorically does not support me?
                        I do not know this?...
                        I am red-handed.
                        With friends like that, you don't need enemies ..
                        Once again proved it ...
                      2. Maksim
                        Maksim 5 May 2021 20: 16
                        +1
                        For God's sake! We are not friends with you.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 3 May 2021 18: 27
    -2
    Immediately I thought about the hospital ship, which is a duck, and about ... laughing
  • Maksim
    Maksim 3 May 2021 19: 09
    -4
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: Clear
    Yes. It all starts small.

    How is your health? Is it the Bulgarians that destroyed the USSR?
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 3 May 2021 21: 47
    -2
    Those. when country A sells weapons to country B directly or through intermediaries, it is possible. When a country (or an individual - it doesn't matter) B sells weapons to country D - is that no longer possible and wrong? And what, then, are some Central American countries paying for when they ship to Moscow full of IL-96 cocaine?
  • Maksim
    Maksim 3 May 2021 21: 55
    -2
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Strange conclusions, such as a Ukrainian surname, which means not a Bulgarian. In Russia, for example, Barclay de Tolly is considered a Russian military leader, as well as Vlasov, a Russian traitor.


    Kirkorov is also a Bulgarian, oh vey laughing
  • nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 4 May 2021 04: 35
    +2
    As always! Brothers are on the side of the fascists!
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 4 May 2021 11: 34
      -1
      As always - blinked stupidity.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 4 May 2021 17: 44
        +1
        There is a feeling that you are Bulgarian.
        If so, I will explain my position. So that there was some understanding of the parties.
        I personally got used from Soviet times that Bulgarians are our brothers, allies, friends forever!
        What am I seeing now in fact?
        It strained me ... I started digging further ...
        And I wish I hadn't dug! ... A very unpleasant picture emerges.
        Some strange brothers ... some strange friends ...
        Which most of the time are in the camp of the enemy ...
        Take, for example, today 04.05: 21. why climb far behind examples? ...
        Why do I need such friends / brothers? ... hi
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 4 May 2021 22: 31
          0
          Thank you that you have the right feeling about my happening. Unfortunately, everything else that you have written causes completely different sensations. Let's start with the fact that during the Soviet era the Bulgarians were in the same alliance not only with the Russians, but also with the Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Adygs, Chechens, Yakuts and further on the list. What we have in fact, you did not specify, but in fact we have the fact that today they are using Russian brains, and they explain to us that we were occupied by the USSR. Fundamentally incorrect statement, as well as the fact that Bulgaria was in the same alliance with Russia. Bulgaria and the USSR were allies, while Russia and Bulgaria maintained and still maintain normal relations within the framework of international law. Do you feel the difference?
          Brothers, we were with the peoples of the USSR, and when it destroyed the OVD, and then collapsed to pieces - excuse me, on what basis should we consider friendship and brotherhood between our peoples now. If at the everyday level - you are welcome. Come and see for yourself. And if on the state - then your fat cats are no different from, say, papa's cat. And for some and for others, the main advantage is the presence of a dough.
          As for staying in the camp of the enemy - I just want to post the meme "Let's tell you." Can you tell us why Bulgaria found itself in an alliance with Germany in 1915 or 1940. Or tell us why in 2003-2004 your ambassador in Sofia told us that Bulgaria's joining NATO is not a wrong step. Or tell me what Russia did, so that Bulgaria did not join NATO, but the CSTO.
          And only then - why do you need such friends and brothers. And maybe at first you will understand whether you need Ukrainian or Kazakh brothers. And only then express your presentation to us.