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Hell on earth: covid in India threatens the whole world

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Funeral pyres in pandemic-ridden India. Source: telemadrid.es


Perfect Storm


More than 400 COVID-19 cases have been officially registered in India since the beginning of May. This is still an absolute anti-record that previously belonged to the United States. At the moment, in a country with a population of just under 1,4 billion people, there are more than 19 million cases during the entire time of the pandemic. In terms of this sad indicator, India is already second in the world, second only to the United States. Over the past week, up to 43% of all those infected in the world lived in India. More than three thousand people die from the virus every day, and the death peak will be passed only in a few weeks. This is at its best. Considering the level of health care in a not very prosperous country, experts point to a very approximate nature of official statistics. The daily increase in cases can be many times higher than the figures from government reports.


Source: PTI

The catastrophic situation with the coronavirus in India under the scrutiny of the World Health Organization. WHO expert Maria van Kerkhove commented on the crisis as follows:

“The skyrocketing incidence we are seeing is staggering. It has happened that the increase in the incidence in some countries has developed along a similar trajectory, but not on the same scale and without causing such burdensome health consequences as in India. ”

A similar jump in COVID-19 in the country became possible for several reasons at once. Since December last year, a new strain of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 under the name B.1.617 has been circulating in India. It has now been tracked in ten more states, but there is no final "diagnosis" regarding the virus yet. However, most doctors note the high contagiousness (ability to infect humans) of the Indian version.

It is not yet clear whether B.1.617 is capable of bypassing existing vaccines. But now in India, conditions are being created for the emergence of new, more dangerous variants of SARS-CoV-2. The massive incidence of coronavirus, coupled with the collapse of the healthcare system, does not create obstacles for the virus to mutate. India, with a huge population and a high density of distribution of inhabitants across the territory, is becoming an ideal incubator for infection. Although viruses are classified as conditionally living organisms (they cannot reproduce independently), they participate in the processes of natural and artificial selection. If the population of sick people is somehow treated, then the selection within the enemy population of the coronavirus is carried out in the direction of combating the drug. But the virus has to pay something, and in return for drug resistance, it becomes less infectious. Or the course of the disease is not so difficult. In general, the virus gradually fizzles out under the influence of medicine or artificial immunity.

In India, there is complete freedom for SARS-CoV-2 - the population is not adequately treated, the rate of vaccination is too slow, and the virus can mutate with impunity, selecting the most dangerous options for humans for later life. It is unnecessary to talk about the fact that new strains of coronavirus cannot be kept inside the country. Near India there are several densely populated countries - Pakistan, Bangladesh and, finally, China.

Chances are only for states separated from the flaming coronavirus country by water barriers. For example, Australia has already introduced criminal penalties for entering the country from India. The punishment is up to five years in prison. The Russians are also very likely to pick up the new Indian strain. At the end of April, 67 students from India returned to Pskov University to study, of whom 42 were infected.

Crematoria fail


The example of the Indian “perfect storm” becomes an excellent illustration of the thesis about the lack of vaccination only in the countries of the “golden billion”. Epidemiologists have repeatedly spoken about the repeated increase in the production of vaccines and the even distribution of anticoid vaccinations around the world. For example, if Russia manages to create the notorious population immunity by vaccinating 60-70% of the population, it is likely that a new supervirus will be born in a third world country during the next wave of coronavirus. The SARS-CoV-2 strain, which emerged as a result of such a "perfect storm", may be indifferent to the tricks of the immune system of vaccinated Russians. And in the place of our country there can be with the same probability the United States, Great Britain or China.

Vaccination rates in India are now seriously lagging behind. At the beginning of May, only 154 million Indians received coronavirus vaccinations, which is only 11,5%. According to January plans by the local Ministry of Health, about 250 million people should be vaccinated by mid-summer. But this is extremely small - for the formation of population immunity in India, it is necessary to vaccinate at least 850 million, and better - a billion people. Vaccines are still in short supply even in the capital Delhi.

“We urge you not to overcrowd vaccination centers in the next few days. Lots of people all over the country signed up for vaccinations, but we did not receive vaccines. We are in constant contact with companies and hope to receive the drugs in a day or two, ”

- Chief Minister of Delhi Arvind Kejrival addresses the residents of the Indian capital.


Source: The Indian Express

Until May 1, only medical workers and citizens over 45 years old were vaccinated in India. Up to three million Indians are now vaccinated daily. Famous, but not the most effective British Covishield, as well as Bharat Biotech's own Covaxin are vaccinated. The consignments of the Russian Sputnik V are already arriving in the country and negotiations are underway to purchase Pfizer vaccines. However, this is absolutely not enough - at least 19 million people need to be vaccinated every day in India to curb COVID-10!

Some hopes are pinned on a powerful pharmaceutical industry - 60% of the world's production capacity for the production of vaccines is concentrated in India. But here, too, it is not without distortions. It would seem that the interests of our own people and the earliest possible vaccination of as many Indians as possible should come to the fore. However, in early April, only 84,9 million doses produced were used domestically, while 61,6 million inoculations were exported. They wanted to make money on foreign markets, but got an unprecedented wave of morbidity inside the country. Only now all export shipments are banned and 100% of the vaccines produced in India are used at home.

But the shortage of a vaccine in India's flaming coronavirus is only one of the problems. The country has a chronic shortage of ventilators and oxygen. People are dying in and out of overcrowded hospitals, not only from the effects of illness, but also from the lack of basic medical care. For the BBC service, local resident Jaint Malhotra comments on the horror on the streets of Delhi:

“I have never seen such a nightmare. I can't believe this is happening in the capital of India. People don't get oxygen and die like animals. "

As a result, the crematoria cannot cope - the furnaces began to fail from constant work. Now large Indian cities are clouded with the stench of burning the bodies of the dead - funeral fires are made right on the street. Following this, there was a shortage of firewood in the country.

Indian disaster


Russian-speaking residents of India testify to the scale and specifics of the pandemic for the gazeta.ru portal:

“The poor are having the hardest time. For them, the pandemic was a disaster. In New Delhi, many people are born and die on the street, so there are neighborhoods in the capital where they live. Moreover, in the best traditions, their houses were built from what they found on the street. Accordingly, there is complete unsanitary conditions and the coronavirus is spreading very quickly there. But given how many diseases they already have, some carry the infection easily. Unlike the rich. A lot of my acquaintances from the merchant caste have died. "

Such is the grimace of natural selection and the inferiority of the comfort zone with which the wealthy stratum of the population has surrounded itself. However, this situation is typical not only for India.

Hell on earth: covid in India threatens the whole world

Most residents blame the government for the current situation. Back in March, the cabinet of ministers of Narenda Modi announced the victory over COVID-19 and noticeably relaxed the antiquarian restrictions. The elections are approaching, and the government, out of mercantile interests, did not dare to prohibit traditional religious holidays. In addition, for not the richest country, the introduction of a new lockdown threatened with serious economic consequences, up to and including a large-scale famine. Coupled with the terrible unsanitary conditions inherent in the Indian way of life, this was the catalyst for a powerful outbreak.

Several countries have already volunteered to extinguish the covid fire, including Russia.

Among other things, 75 domestic ventilators, 150 bedside monitors and 20 oxygen concentrators flew to India. In addition, the Indians will receive 200 packages of Favipiravir with a total cost of about 1 billion rubles.

The example of the Indian disaster showed that the world is still far from defeating the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The leaders of the countries, observing what is happening in India, will go to the lifting of restrictions at home only in extreme cases. Even if India quickly copes with the third wave, we will have to live with a sluggish lockdown for a long time to come.

The main task now is not to spread the Indian scenario to the whole world.
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    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 4 May 2021 05: 32
      +15
      Quote: sektant777
      how entire villages became extinct from covid.

      The villages may not have died out, but some of my friends and neighbors were carried out in black bags, so the danger is quite real ...
      1. sektant777
        sektant777 4 May 2021 06: 10
        -4
        Didn't people die before?
        Not tired of writing nonsense?
        If the virus is so terrible, then why was there no mass morbidity, let alone deaths, among trade workers, taxi drivers, traffic police, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs? They constantly worked with people during the entire period of the so-called epidemic.

        Not a single store has been quarantined. I live in a residential area with dense buildings in Moscow. All shops, absolutely everything, how they worked and still work. The same staff continues to work in the store next to the house.
        There is an Amateur Football League in Moscow. There are thousands of participants. If there was a real epidemic, it would be very noticeable in this league. The league is on social media. You can see for yourself.
        And there are a lot of such questions about this epidemic.
        1. svp67
          svp67 4 May 2021 07: 26
          +31
          Quote: sektant777
          Didn't people die before?

          I understand that this infection has passed you YET. Rejoice. Believe in the "close acquaintance" with her NOTHING GOOD ...
          In each country, this virus develops its own "modifications" and the strength of the health care system lies, in particular, in the fact that in time to identify these mutations and assess their "harmfulness". Siberian mutations have also been identified in Russia.
          India's trouble is that they do not have time to control it inside the country, as in Brazil, which is also called the "coronavirus factory".
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 4 May 2021 07: 50
            +6
            Quote: svp67
            India's trouble is that they do not have time to control it inside the country, as in Brazil, which is also called the "coronavirus factory".

            For this, Covid-19 was released into the wild, so that it could be stormed in the populations of India, Bangladesh, Africa and China. But it didn't hurt the Africans, and it got through, they have a lot of such viruses there, and China is too highly developed.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 4 May 2021 13: 16
              +13
              But he didn't hurt the Africans, and he got through
              We can and got through, but who counts them there? With their primitive medicine, no one knows even the approximate number of sick people ..
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 4 May 2021 17: 24
                0
                And I would bet that the customer of the creation of the virus is the US pension funds
                It is not for nothing that he mows down the elderly in the first place, and the children hardly notice him.
                And the main target was precisely the retirees of the United States.
                Well, China and India are just an additional profit for customers.
                That the virus started in China is not for them to start at home.
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 8 May 2021 10: 49
                  +1
                  In the overwhelming majority of countries with pension provision, it is funded, and the pension savings of the deceased are inherited by relatives. Your guess is based on Russian knowledge, but alas. They do not steal pensions and there is no interest in killing old people.
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 8 May 2021 20: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Galleon
                    the pension savings of the deceased are inherited by relatives

                    These savings are "dead weight" in the economy.
                    And the heirs will start using them. Which will revive the economy.
                    1. Galleon
                      Galleon 8 May 2021 22: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Shurik70
                      These savings are "dead weight" in the economy

                      Pension money in funds is long-term money. It is they who provide loans to economic projects there. This is not a dead weight, but finances that are very necessary for development.
            2. Farisey
              Farisey 4 May 2021 14: 59
              +19
              Something not much, he storms there then. Sorry for the cynicism, but 3000 of the deaths of JACOB from Covid per day, for a country with such a population, this is not a lot. I admit that there this number is comparable to the number of deaths from colds or unsanitary conditions. If the real task of the virus is to "mow down the population", then it cannot cope with it. But if you intimidate, then here he achieved his goal many times. As confirmed by the following comments below.
            3. Petrik66
              Petrik66 5 May 2021 20: 13
              +2
              When was the last time you were in highly developed China? In the same Shanghai, in the very center, you step back 100 meters to the side and full .... unsanitary conditions, poverty, overcrowding. Well, where we do not. you just have to go and get vaccinated.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 4 May 2021 10: 35
            +15
            Quote: svp67

            I understand that this infection has passed you YET. Rejoice.

            Golden words ...
            "Until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself."
            A tendency has already been noticed - first there is Covid denial. Like "this FSE was invented by Putin." Then the relatives get sick. Or Covid the dissident himself. And then they write tearful letters from their homeland, i.e. from the hospital ward - they say, mean, do not treat. Although the bed situation differs from region to region.
            And in clinics and hospitals there is an unclaimed supply of vaccines.
            1. vargo
              vargo 4 May 2021 11: 39
              +14
              He really just didn't face it in reality. Although I do not live in a big city, some of my acquaintances already have relatives who have died from covid. Another part of them had been ill, well, there is a friend who works in the morgue, and she would have convinced any ardent antiquarian man. According to her, in general, we underestimate the infection rates by 2-3 times. But this speech was about six months ago, I will not say now. According to my feelings, it is still becoming quieter. But again, maybe just not in my environment. And thank God
              1. spectr
                spectr 4 May 2021 18: 22
                +2
                According to her, in general, we underestimate the infection rates by 2-3 times.

                Judging by the growth rate of cemeteries, it is. Now they are growing more in six months than in a year before.
              2. dauria
                dauria 5 May 2021 00: 35
                +5
                , well, there is a friend who works in the morgue, and she would have convinced any ardent antiquarian


                That's it. "There are acquaintances who have acquaintances who told by acquaintance ..."
                Specifically, let everyone clearly and soberly assess how many of his personally acquaintances at the entrance fell ill, and how many died. So, I have officially recovered from 20 apartments less than a dozen. Only one was in the hospital with oxygen. But the conversations "His relatives died" as much as a whole company of the dead.
                Yes, the flu is not simple, strong, but not the plague. Not typhoid. And not even dysentery.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 5 May 2021 16: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: dauria
                  And not even dysentery.

                  This is for nothing, CoVid is just her "sibling"
              3. atakan
                atakan 5 May 2021 18: 02
                +1
                vargo, He really just did not come across this in reality. Although I do not live in a big city, some of my acquaintances already have relatives who have died from covid. Another part of them had been ill, well, there is a friend who works in the morgue, and she would have convinced any ardent antiquarian man. According to her, in general, we underestimate the infection rates by 2-3 times.

                You just ask around, - did any of you neighbors, relatives and friends have a cold with the same or similar symptoms, and I am sure that a quarter will tell you that they were sick and hard, and it was a long time ago and in different years.
                I got my analogue of the COVID virus 6-7 years ago.
                Also ask yourself, where do 40% of people with antibodies come from?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 May 2021 13: 35
                  0
                  Quote: atakan
                  I got my analogue of the COVID virus 6-7 years ago.

                  CoVid is a lot, "measles" is CoVi, ARVI is CoVi, "atypical pneumonia" is CoVi, CoVid19 is also CoVi ... more than 80% of the population have antibodies to CoVi, since they once met with them.
            2. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
              Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 May 2021 12: 49
              +7
              there is an unclaimed supply of vaccines in clinics and hospitals.


              For some reason, many argue according to the principle "I'll do it later" ... Although, what to wait, I personally do not understand. I gave an injection, then a second one and live peacefully, don't get pain yourself and don't infect others ...
              They are not afraid to eat food of dubious quality, and they are not afraid to inject the medicine ... Well, not rams ?!
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 4 May 2021 13: 18
                +10
                Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
                there is an unclaimed supply of vaccines in clinics and hospitals.


                For some reason, many argue according to the principle "I'll do it later" ... Although, what to wait, I personally do not understand. I gave an injection, then a second one and live peacefully, don't get pain yourself and don't infect others ...
                They are not afraid to eat food of dubious quality, and they are not afraid to inject the medicine ... Well, not rams ?!

                In Israel, all Jews were vaccinated against covid .. Voluntarily and compulsorily !! They take care of God's chosen ones, save them as a population !!! ! We bought them a pfizer from the USA. Out of any queue, restrictions ... What can I say ... The Rothschilds and Morgan spent money on the Jewish people .. And our Russian half-fools all talk about chipping and the loss of male fertile power .. They were not afraid of Chernobyl radiation, they were not afraid to eat Bush's legs, they are not afraid to drink all kinds of rubbish .. They are not afraid to wear naked synthetics, but to get vaccinated - "I will not! The chip is stuck in the ass ...!" ... There is not enough evil ..
                1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
                  Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 May 2021 13: 37
                  +3
                  Evil is not enough ..


                  That's for sure. Every ram is now a great vaccinologist. Precisely, evil is not enough. They whine that no one cares about them and Putin personally wants to kill everyone. Have a vaccine, please vaccinate .... the same whine again.
                2. Modun
                  Modun 5 May 2021 02: 46
                  -7
                  "They were not afraid to eat Bush's legs." Was there anything else to eat? Thank you I must say for help from starvation
                  1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
                    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 5 May 2021 07: 13
                    +4
                    Thank you I must say for help from starvation


                    Citizen, are you in your mind?
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 5 May 2021 12: 11
                    0
                    Well, there was no threat of starvation. At first, many people liked these American legs due to the fact that the process of their frying and cooking was many times faster compared to domestic products. Homemade chicken or rooster should be cooked for a long time. My parents always had poultry, but they also bought store-bought chicken legs and breasts.
                3. bobwings
                  bobwings 5 May 2021 09: 50
                  +3
                  30 times Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu called CEO Faizer and tried to persuade him to turn the country into a huge testing ground for this vaccine. And he proved that Israel, like no other country, is suitable for this, in view of 25 years of complete computerization of medical data of the population. That is, in Israel, in 5 minutes, you can check, for example, the effect of vaccination on women 35-40 years old with diabetes mellitus. In other countries, with the exception of Estonia, there is no such centralization and completeness of data. But Estonia is smaller and the data is fresher ..
                  Therefore, Faizer chose Israel, and no Morgan or Rothschilds have anything to do with it.
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 5 May 2021 10: 42
                    0
                    Quote: bobwings
                    Therefore, Faizer chose Israel, and no Morgan or Rothschilds have anything to do with it.

                    Here I am talking. not involved !! crying Rothschilds with Morgan that is laughing
                    1. bobwings
                      bobwings 5 May 2021 11: 50
                      +1
                      Israel bought all vaccinations for its own money.
              2. Fast_mutant
                Fast_mutant 4 May 2021 18: 57
                +1
                Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
                Well, not rams? !!

                Sheep!
                But personally, what do you have to do with the vaccine?
                For example, I work where it is made, and while I wait to be vaccinated.
                Think for yourself!
                PS In no way do I urge you to refuse vaccination. Everyone decides for himself.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 4 May 2021 21: 22
                  +4
                  For example, I work where it is made, and while I wait to be vaccinated.

                  What is the point in WALKING about the great vaccinologist? laughing
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 4 May 2021 22: 00
                    -5
                    Quote: bk316
                    What is the point in WALKING about the great vaccinologist?
                    The meaning is simple: the vaccine did not pass the full course of checks (Pfizer, IMHO, too, it was just that the papers were issued there, and ours were hammered into it). So you never know what special effects will reveal.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 5 May 2021 13: 11
                      -5
                      The meaning is simple: the vaccine has not passed the full course of tests.

                      No need to write about what you don't understand.
                      We heard the ringing and do not know what it is about.
                      All vaccines have gone through the full course of checks required to begin use.
                      Data published in medical journals.
                      Another thing is that research continues on any vaccine after the start of its mass use. Naturally, in 3 years the statistics on the use of all these vaccines will be replenished.
                      THERE only will not make any practical sense. After 3 years, no one will use these vaccines because there will be population immunity to the current strains of the virus, but new ones will appear for which a new vaccine will be needed.
                      1. Alex2711
                        Alex2711 5 May 2021 14: 44
                        +4
                        1. According to medical standards, the 3rd phase of testing lasts at least 6 months. The third phase of the Sputnik tests began on August 26, 2020, and accordingly, it should end no earlier than February 26 (and this is not taking into account the time for vaccination of 40 experimental subjects and data analysis). The official media announced the successful completion of the tests in early January. Why is this a lie?
                        2. The official media said that the Gamaleya Center has been developing vaccines of this type for a long time, and dozens of such vaccines have been tested, proved their effectiveness and are used all over the world. On the website of the Gamaleya Center there is a list of vaccines that they have developed, none of them have yet been clinically tested. Why is this a lie?
                        I want to protect myself from this infection, but it is not clear to myself and the children to inject myself that I do not see the point.
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 5 May 2021 14: 56
                        0
                        According to medical standards, the 3rd phase of testing lasts at least 6 months.

                        1. Reference to "medical GOST" laughing you are welcome.
                        2. So February 26 has passed, why now WALK?

                        For the dull, I repeat. The time and number of vaccinations is more than enough to identify all possible rapid complications. And delayed complications have to wait at least 3 years. By this time, THIS epidemic will be over. Therefore, it is pointless to go. You must either get vaccinated or not. While everyone decides for himself. Believe me, I have an order of magnitude more information than you in this matter. And I decided to be vaccinated, but of course not last year, but at the end of January. Well, I don't see any reason to vaccinate children yet.
                      3. Alex2711
                        Alex2711 5 May 2021 18: 31
                        +1
                        You have not answered my questions.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: bk316
                        The time and number of vaccinations is more than enough to identify all possible rapid complications

                        That is, the unfinished third stage of vaccine trials is not a reason for you to doubt? You haven't heard of the long-term consequences, have you?
                        Ginzburg, when asked about how the vaccine affects reproductive function, replied that there is no data on this yet.
                        Is that why you slowed down vaccination for your kids? wink
                      5. would
                        would 8 May 2021 08: 39
                        +1
                        You haven't heard of the long-term consequences, have you?


                        Vaccines have been used for several decades (including adenoviral vaccines, but as gene therapy), but no one has heard of "long-term consequences". Simply because after a week from the vaccine in the body, nothing remains.

                        Ginsburg on the question of how the vaccine affects reproductive function, replied that there is no data on this yet.


                        There is. The germ cells are not target cells for the adenovirus. A person who graduated from grade 11 at this stage already understands everything.

                        As for how Ginzburg "did not answer"

                        “The effect of the vaccine on reproductive function was naturally tested in animals - in mice and rabbits. There is no negative influence


                        Here is such a "no answer".

                        But current standards require separate studies for vaccination of pregnant women and children. On pregnant women and children, respectively. Actually, they are being carried out.
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 May 2021 13: 28
                        0
                        Quote: rait
                        but no one has heard about the "long-term consequences"

                        I offer a bet - I find you information when the vaccine was recognized as dangerous a few years after its use. Indicating the country, name, number of victims and the number of claims. At stake I propose to put the monetary equivalent of a liter of tequila, Olmeco for example. bully
                        Quote: rait
                        There is
                        Do you think that less than a year of rodent research can give you an objective assessment? belay
                        Several years ago, the WHO was caught using a tetanus vaccine, the side effect of which was infertility.
                        At the time of the proof of the side effect, more than 100.000 people were vaccinated in Latin America.
                      7. would
                        would 8 May 2021 13: 44
                        +1
                        I offer a bet - I find you information when the vaccine was recognized as dangerous a few years after its use. Indicating the country, name, number of victims and number of claims


                        I cannot accept such a bet as it has nothing to do with the discussion. There were vaccines that were recognized as dangerous, one of the vaccines caused hepatitis (I don't remember which one, in my opinion, it was just inactivated from hepatitis), one batch of whooping cough vaccine caused what is called "sudden infant mortality", there was and is a vaccine against Dengue fever causing "antibody-dependent intensification of infection", BCG in general "the talk of the town." This I know and does not apply to the topic.

                        But there were no vaccines that would cause serious side effects years after the introduction (which you claim). You can refute.

                        As for the lawsuits, this is not an indicator at all, it is widely known that in the USA there were a bunch of lawsuits about the connection between autism and vaccines, how they were satisfied, and so on. And then it was proved that there is no connection and cannot be. The result was that manufacturers, for marketing reasons, removed mercury mercury from vaccines, and the statistics of autism in the United States did not decrease.

                        Several years ago, the WHO was caught using a tetanus vaccine, the side effect of which was infertility.


                        A well-known fake that has been circulating on the Internet for 10 years, without any evidence. And the most important question is different - how, at least in theory, tetanus toxoid can cause infertility? Here's how a CNS toxin can cause infertility?

                        Here again, I can state the extremely low level of education of those who believe in such fakes.

                        Do you think that less than a year of rodent research can give you an objective assessment? belay


                        They cannot but give, this is how it was found that a number of drugs cause fetal deformity.
                      8. would
                        would 8 May 2021 14: 09
                        0
                        Several years ago, the WHO was caught using a tetanus vaccine, the side effect of which was infertility.
                        At the time of the proof of the side effect, more than 100.000 people were vaccinated in Latin America.


                        Googled this fake and neigh. Second reincarnation. In Kenya, blacks in 2014 began to claim that vaccines cause infertility. By the way, this is not the first time, in Africa it is always like this. I remember how not so long ago they also caused Ebola vaccines, and most importantly, all the troubles are from whites, yeah.

                        This is actually all, any objective information ends and articles begin about the worldwide conspiracy, the Gates Foundation, and so on. And no "evidence of side effect".

                        The duck about the vaccine that sterilized the girls is very old, 1995, - says the toxicologist, scientific editor of the magazines "ABC" and "Russian Pharmacies" Alexei Vodovozov. - Only then the sterilization effect was attributed to the tetanus vaccine. Well, then they began to smoothly switch to whatever was more or less suitable. The HPV vaccine, the only "sex" vaccine, is nowhere better suited for this role. Only today this duck can be refuted in a completely natural way - to look at the birth rate in "sterilized" countries since 1995 ".


                        The 2014 duck itself came from the Catholic bishops of Kenya who stated that hCG was mixed into the tetanus vaccine and infertility was caused due to the immune response against it. In addition to the fact that the verification of the parties did not reveal this, one very big "but" arises. It is clear that blacks in Africa of 11 classes did not finish and do not know how vaccines work and do not understand that immunity from them is finite, "booster" doses are required to maintain it. As a result, even if everything were as stated by the Catholic bishops of Kenya, then the sterility would disappear in a few years in the absence of "booster" doses.
                  2. bk316
                    bk316 11 May 2021 13: 10
                    0
                    Is that why you slowed down vaccination for your kids?

                    Are you kidding?
                    There is no vaccine for children yet.
                    You really didn't know that?

                    And about the reproductive function, Ginsburg honestly answered no data. And he also has no data who will be president in 100 years and when the sun goes out. What conclusions do you draw from this? Where do these horror stories about reproductive function come from? Do you believe everything that they write in the garbage? Do you wear a foil hat from aliens?
      2. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
        Aleksey Aleksandrovich 5 May 2021 07: 12
        +1
        ... In no case do I urge you to refuse vaccination. Everyone decides for himself.


        I got vaccinated in February. And your "wait", what is it connected with?
      3. PROVINCIAL
        PROVINCIAL 5 May 2021 18: 08
        -1
        And I work where Covid is scattered across countries, so what? I have the right to write))
    2. Icarus
      Icarus 5 May 2021 18: 34
      0
      I gave you an injection, then a second and live peacefully, don't get sick yourself ...

      My neighbor and friend, at the age of 73, put down Sputnik V. Before the vaccinator, he did not undergo any special examinations (but it should have been), he felt fine (master of sports in scuba diving - in his youth, did not smoke for more than 30 years, had diabetes) ... After the second injection (March 2021), severe pains of internal organs began. CT scan of the lungs showed lung cancer. A week later, I made a lung biopsy (hoping to remove the infected lung), the analysis showed that the cancer of both lungs (not resectable), small-cell, aggressive. On April 30, a comrade was buried. It will most likely not be included in any statistics. I understand that during vaccination, the body's immunity temporarily subsides to almost zero and at this time it becomes helpless if the body already had cancer cells, especially in the lungs.
      My conclusion. Before vaccination, those who are over 60 years old with chronic diseases should be examined, especially for the presence of cancer cells or cancer in the initial stage, increased attention to the lungs should be. It is advisable to have your own doctor, whom you see and be sure to consult with him whether it is worth getting vaccinated.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 6 May 2021 08: 31
        +1
        yes, the corona and especially the vaccine seriously test the body
        it is necessary not only to be examined, but also to try to approach the 2nd phase of the vaccine at the maximum of well-being. Any usually harmless sore can dramatically worsen the condition.
      2. would
        would 6 May 2021 11: 30
        +4
        cancer of both lungs (not operable), small cell, aggressive.


        Does not develop in a week or a month or two. So there was cancer and the vaccine could not have any effect on it, it was just revealed after vaccination.

        I understand that during vaccination, the body's immunity temporarily subsides to almost zero


        The fact of the matter is that you misunderstand. When vaccinated, immunity does not "sag", it is not HIV, not radiation sickness, not measles, it is the constant work of our immunity, which in this case is caused artificially, no more.
        1. Icarus
          Icarus 6 May 2021 22: 30
          +1
          So there was cancer and the vaccine could not have any effect on it, it was just revealed after vaccination.

          I do not deny that cancer was more likely at the time of vaccination, but it did not manifest itself in any way. Whereas from the moment of detection until death, none of the cases I know of had lung cancer for less than three months. And then 1 month from the day of the first complaints of pain !!! I don't believe in coincidences. And as you wish. There is a fact, and your inference "could not have any influence" - this assumption is not confirmed by anything. On CT examination of the lungs, one lung was affected, and after 7-10 days, a biopsy showed damage to both lungs !!! Usually, this rate of development of the disease does not happen.
          When vaccinated, immunity does not "sag", it is not HIV, not radiation sickness, not measles, it is the constant work of our immunity, which in this case is caused artificially, no more.
          ... In your opinion, "constant work" does not fail under any conditions?
          1. would
            would 7 May 2021 11: 15
            +4
            And then 1 month from the day of the first complaints of pain !!!


            This is easy. That is why cancer is insidious that it gives some unambiguous symptoms only "at the end" (in every sense).

            There is a fact, and your inference "could not have any influence" - this assumption is not confirmed by anything.


            This conclusion is confirmed by many theoretical studies, as well as practical results. They have been vaccinated for decades, we know perfectly well how vaccines work, how Sputnik V itself works, and so on. And for example, BCG is generally used to treat certain cancers.

            If vaccines promoted cancer, then we would all be dead already. Just because we constantly have cancer cells that the immune system fights against. Even during this day, I had a certain number of cancer cells that were destroyed by the immune system. And we are vaccinated, in particular, and I am vaccinated with Sputnik and nothing.

            And you have not a fact, but a vivid example of "post hoc ergo propter hoc" - after does not mean due.

            RџSЂRё CT examination of the lungs, one lung was affected, and after 7-10 days, biopsy showed damage to both lungs !!! Usually this rate of development of the disease does not happen.


            Your very statement contains the answer. The first time there was a CT scan, and the second time a biopsy. These are different research methods with completely different accuracy, and everyone knows that CT has a much lower accuracy than a biopsy. Especially when it comes to lung cancer, which is very difficult to diagnose. Accordingly, there was no development of the disease, but simply CT scan, for some reason, did not see cancer in the second lung. Answer the question "why?" can only be a specialist who conducted the research and deciphers the images. I would not be surprised if, in fact, there were changes in the second lung on CT, but it was impossible to interpret them unambiguously, therefore, they took a biopsy.

            ... In your opinion, "constant work" does not fail under any conditions?


            No permanent work, immunity itself as a mechanism, yes. Oncologists themselves say that our immunity is 99.99% effective against cancer. And 00.01% are cases of oncology. Therefore, the only way to avoid cancer is not to live to see it, sooner or later, but we will all catch that very one hundredth percent when the immune system fails to cope with cancer.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 01
      0
      Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
      I gave an injection, then a second one and live peacefully, don't get pain yourself and don't infect others ...

      And where did you get the idea that vaccination gives immunity to covid? belay
      1. bk316
        bk316 11 May 2021 13: 16
        0
        And where did you get the idea that vaccination gives immunity to covid?

        From statistics my friend. There is such a science ...
  • bk316
    bk316 4 May 2021 21: 20
    -2
    I understand that this infection has passed you YET

    Sergei, look at his NIK. He's a sectarian. CORONAVIRUS DENIAL sect.
    Some horsemen of the apocalypse are greeted every day, others firmly believe in the absence of coronavirus. laughing
    1. sektant777
      sektant777 7 May 2021 07: 40
      +1
      In the twenty-first century, refer to a nickname on the Internet. Hand face.
      Kovidobes are worse than religious fanatics, they are not friendly with logic and do not think critically. “The virus will kill everyone!” They shouted. "
      1. bk316
        bk316 7 May 2021 11: 55
        -2
        In the twenty-first century, refer to a nickname on the Internet. Hand face.

        Everyone chooses his NIK himself. There is even a serious study of psychologists on how to determine the psychotype by NIK laughing
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 8 May 2021 11: 00
          +2
          Quote: bk316
          There is even a serious study of psychologists on how to determine the psychotype by NIK

          Interested. what Will you treat me with a link? I'm afraid the Yandex search is dumb for such a request. hi
  • Jager
    Jager 5 May 2021 16: 28
    +3
    Almost all relatives and friends have been ill. And I. Nobody died. Yes, there were cases, but people with serious illnesses were dying.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 6 May 2021 08: 25
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    I understand that this infection has passed you YET. Rejoice. Believe in the "close acquaintance" with her, NOTHING GOOD ..

    the infection did not escape anyone. According to epidemiologists, more than 70% of the population has already been ill.
    It's just that for about half the disease is not noticeable at all and for many it looks like a slightly strange cold.
    The authorities strongly lie about the lethality of the disease and strongly under-talk the real statistics of infection, in pursuit of their manipulative goals.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 4 May 2021 07: 44
    +3
    Quote: sektant777
    Didn't people die before?
    Not tired of writing nonsense?
    If the virus is so terrible, then why was there no mass morbidity, let alone deaths, among trade workers, taxi drivers, traffic police, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs? They constantly worked with people during the entire period of the so-called epidemic.

    Not a single store has been quarantined. I live in a residential area with dense buildings in Moscow. All shops, absolutely everything, how they worked and still work. The same staff continues to work in the store next to the house.
    There is an Amateur Football League in Moscow. There are thousands of participants. If there was a real epidemic, it would be very noticeable in this league. The league is on social media. You can see for yourself.
    And there are a lot of such questions about this epidemic.

    Some tolerate generally asymptomatic, some easily. At risk people over 60 years old. A friend of mine got a kidney and caught covid in the hospital. I got out, while taking anti-rejection drugs that suppress immunity. 30% of lung damage. From friends, many are in mild form. postponed. we will inject vaccinations annually as against the flu
    1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich 4 May 2021 12: 54
      +11
      I'm 39, I don't seem to get into the risk group, but I got vaccinated. Not because I'm afraid of covid. To be honest, I put it on it with the device. But parents and many relatives are already over 60. Risk group after all. Therefore, I want to minimize the risk of their infection. Therefore, I was vaccinated.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 4 May 2021 15: 41
        0
        Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
        I'm 39, I don't seem to get into the risk group, but I got vaccinated. Not because I'm afraid of covid. To be honest, I put it on it with the device. But parents and many relatives are already over 60. Risk group after all. Therefore, I want to minimize the risk of their infection. Therefore, I was vaccinated.

        You need to be set as an example!
        As a person who has the beginnings or remnants of socially responsible behavior, despite the obvious overestimated self-esteem, they did the right thing.
        As you at 39 do not know, but we have a lot of people died at this age. But under the age of 35, it is true, they do not die often. For example, under 20 years old, only 2 guys, 16 and 18 years old, died in the circle of relatives of acquaintances.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 11
          +1
          Quote: Humpty
          You need to be set as an example!
          As a person who has the rudiments or remnants of socially responsible behavior

          And think about it? wink The Covid vaccine does not guarantee against infection, but only reduces the likelihood of complications and makes the course of the disease easier. And then, this is according to the manufacturer. Accordingly, the vaccinated person is also the spread of the disease.
          Wake up people!
          1. Humpty
            Humpty 8 May 2021 06: 23
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Appropriately grafted

            It is your opinion. Everyone will have to be ill or vaccinated. Now there is an opportunity to be grafted. I will be vaccinated with a Sputnik. I was ill for a month and a half last summer. Perhaps my bronchitis and herpes were stronger than covid. Not all regular VO readers can now assess our opinions.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 May 2021 07: 11
              -1
              Quote: Humpty
              It is your opinion.

              These are facts. The vaccine does not protect against disease like the vaccine against smallpox and chickenpox.
              It only eases the course of the disease and complications. These are facts!
              What is the point of being vaccinated with a little-known vaccine if you are not at risk?
              1. Humpty
                Humpty 8 May 2021 08: 32
                0
                Who is the risk group? Maybe healthy people of middle and slightly older age? Vaccine. There is probably a difference, to endure like aching bones or die from thrombosis or lung failure.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 May 2021 13: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Humpty
                  Who is the risk group?

                  In the sense of who? There are statistics on mortality by age, by concomitant diseases. Everything is in the public domain.
                2. Humpty
                  Humpty 8 May 2021 15: 41
                  0
                  I read the official statistics, the data of personal observations do not coincide with it. I do not draw any categorical conclusions from this. Maybe it depends on geography (this is just an assumption), I suspect that the disease is especially dangerous for active people with good health, middle and slightly older age, and for weak old people. But very young people die too. For example, old active people are often resistant to hypoxia, I have known this for a long time. Some elderly people who were once vaccinated against the plague suffered mildly. So far, unfortunately, there are more guesses and assumptions about covid.
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 May 2021 16: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Humpty
                  So far, unfortunately, there are more guesses and assumptions about covid.

                  Yes. And against this background, obtrusive advertising of a vaccine that did not pass the third stage of testing. All this is strange. I know several doctors who are also against vaccinations.
                  From personal experience, I can say that 2 of my friends died, one with oncology, the other with diabetes. There are acquaintances who have been seriously ill, but without consequences. I myself was breathing for a month, choking, all joints were breaking terribly. But he did not go to the doctors. Ketarol for pain, and aspirin for blood thinning. Relatives got sick much easier. request In 2012 or 13 I was sick with exactly the same symptoms.
                4. Humpty
                  Humpty 8 May 2021 17: 01
                  0
                  Vaccination is free, therefore advertising has no commercial purpose. I have several acquaintances from Moscow and from the region were vaccinated with Sputnik. No complications. We have it recently. Russian aid. There is a possibility for now, I will use it the other day. The Chinese vaccine has been around for several months. Desires for her to get vaccinated 0. I am in contact with a lot of irresponsible people, I hope it will not hurt me to get vaccinated.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 4 May 2021 09: 12
    -3
    Quote: sektant777
    And there are a lot of such questions about this epidemic.

    Well, people want to believe in the deadly flu, what to do, before statistics on deaths from influenza were not kept, I think it was no less, but it is necessary to catch up terribly. to get rich on the "vaccine", and many are. I myself am one of those who were constantly and are in zones of the so-called risk, I don’t wear a muzzle and I don’t believe in this crap!
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 4 May 2021 09: 37
      +16
      Influenza in comparison with covid is a mild runny nose, until you get sick you don't understand, experienced from personal experience
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 4 May 2021 10: 21
        +9
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        Influenza, compared to covid, is a mild runny nose, until you get sick you don't understand ...

        And the most dangerous thing is possible multidirectional complications that appear some time after recovery (sometimes after a long time), about the mechanism of which we know almost nothing.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 4 May 2021 15: 13
        +4
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        Influenza in comparison with covid is a mild runny nose, until you get sick you don't understand, experienced from personal experience
        On the contrary. I had been ill, if it had not been for the analysis, I would not have guessed that I had a covid. So, a slight seasonal runny nose, the flu is much more severe (fever, bone aches, general ill health are added).
        1. CommanderDIVA
          CommanderDIVA 4 May 2021 20: 56
          +4
          Covid just kissed you, as the doctors say, you have a fairly high probability of getting sick again, since with this course of the disease, insufficient antibodies may be produced, the only way out is vaccination
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 13
            0
            Quote: CommanderDIVA
            the only way out is vaccination

            Did they say on TV? wink
        2. bk316
          bk316 5 May 2021 14: 31
          0
          On the contrary. I got sick

          Are you really such a simpleton and think that you can only judge by yourself about the mortality or complications of any disease?
          Remember, once and for all, the lethality from coronavirus is more than 100 times higher than the lethality from influenza. This was known a year ago. But now it has become clear that, unlike the flu, the coronavirus has a number of serious delayed complications, which will also add significant delayed mortality.
          In general, it is better to be silent and not write about what you do not understand, do not disgrace yourself.
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 5 May 2021 18: 35
            0
            Quote: bk316
            Remember, once and for all, the lethality from coronavirus is more than 100 times higher than the lethality from influenza.
            Yah? H1N1 (swine flu), for example, has a mortality rate of 17% (out of 1.632.000 cases, 284.500 people died). The crown has 0,3% to 1,5%.
            Quote: bk316
            In general, it is better to be silent and not write about what you do not understand, do not disgrace yourself.
            Exactly.
            1. bk316
              bk316 6 May 2021 12: 34
              +2
              Yah?

              Well, yes, when experts talk about lethality from influenza not refers to avian and swine flu (H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2 and H2N3, H5 / N1, H5 / N8, H7 / N8). For people not in the subject add SEASONAL flu. You seem to be in the subject or just copy-paste? laughing

              Now about H1 / N1. This is the Spanish woman, about which they write here. Let's not talk about the 1914 pandemic. Consider the 2009 pandemic.
              Mortality from swine flu among patients of all ages averaged 3,2 per 100 cases, that is, about 3%
              Karpova L.S., Volik K.M., Stolyarova T.P. Analysis of the 2009 influenza and pandemic epidemics based on the materials of two national WHO centers in the Russian Federation // Epidemiology and Vaccine Prevention, 2016; No. 4 (89), T. 15. - S. 4-12.

              You should not draw knowledge from the yellow press such as jellyfish and the newspaper ru. If you are already writing something, refer to primary sources or scientific literature. But even if you carefully read the fried sensations about the 10-fold underestimation of deaths from swine flu, then only an ignoramus will receive 17%. The possible underestimation of deaths occurred because they stopped keeping records of the disease altogether. That is, the sucker who calculated 17% took the number of diseases at one point in time and the number of deaths at another. I REPEAT DO NOT SHAME.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 6 May 2021 14: 33
                +1
                Quote: bk316
                ... Let's not talk about the 1914 pandemic.

                And that in 1914 there was a Spanish flu pandemic?
                1. bk316
                  bk316 6 May 2021 15: 04
                  +1
                  And that in 1914 there was a Spanish flu pandemic?

                  Well, formally at 18, but the first who died in 1914 (read scientific literature laughing )
                  Since the pandemic was not officially announced, 20 can be counted.
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 6 May 2021 15: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: bk316
                  however, the first died in 1914.

                  Do you know what a "pandemic" is?
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 4 May 2021 18: 00
      +5
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Influenza in comparison with covid is a mild runny nose, until you get sick you don't understand, experienced from personal experience

      There was such a flu - "Spanish Flu" .... Covid against his background is a splinter in the corn ...
      1. CommanderDIVA
        CommanderDIVA 4 May 2021 20: 59
        -2
        "Spanish flu" is most likely a virus of natural origin, covid is most likely a combat virus of artificial origin, look at how it selectively infects people, children practically do not get sick, people over 65 and people with chronic diseases and weakened immunity are at risk, which is typical for the same the number of cases of covid in cities and in the countryside, more deaths in cities, the density of the population and the weakened immunity of citizens play a role
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 4 May 2021 22: 05
          +5
          Quote: CommanderDIVA
          covid is most likely a combat virus
          Covid is definitely not a combat virus: a combat virus must have high lethality and self-extinguishing (so that when its troops approach the epidemic it will end).
          Quote: CommanderDIVA
          at risk of people over 65 and people with chronic diseases and weakened immunity
          They are always at risk (they just don't need much to die), but middle-aged people are dying from covid: at risk groups, the body does not have the strength to arrange a cytokine storm of such force as to ruin their lungs.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 16
            -1
            Quote: bk0010
            Covid is definitely not a combat virus:

            On the topic, I agree with your opinion, but here it is controversial - flu strains can also be combat ones, since they indirectly reduce the enemy's combat capability.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 5 May 2021 12: 19
          -1
          Physicians I know say that everything is just beginning in rural areas, and the consequences will be more severe than in cities. Although, according to my observations, residents of villages and regional centers are more disciplined in following the recommendations of doctors compared to townspeople.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 5 May 2021 06: 31
        +2
        Quote: mat-vey
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        Influenza in comparison with covid is a mild runny nose, until you get sick you don't understand, experienced from personal experience

        There was such a flu - "Spanish Flu" .... Covid against his background is a splinter in the corn ...

        Then there were no antibiotics, the war was on
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 5 May 2021 06: 53
          -1
          Quote: Pilat2009
          There were no antibiotics then

          Tell us how to treat viruses with antibiotics?
          1. bk316
            bk316 5 May 2021 14: 42
            +1
            Tell us how to treat viruses with antibiotics?

            Antibiotics for viral diseases are prescribed not for the treatment of the disease itself, but for the treatment of associated bacterial infections.
            And you did not know?

            Have you ever seen a medical death certificate?
            There are 3 columns of the initial cause, the pathological condition and the immediate cause.
            So almost no one dies directly from coronavirus infection.
            They die either from pulmonary insufficiency (hence ventilator) or from thromboembolism (hence xarelto) or from multifaceted insufficiency due to a cytokine storm (hence dexamethasone). And so neither mechanical ventilation nor xarelto nor dexamethasone destroy the virus.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 5 May 2021 14: 47
              -2
              Quote: bk316
              And you did not know?

              Have you tried to read the thread? Or just to keep the conversation going?
              1. bk316
                bk316 5 May 2021 14: 59
                +1
                Have you tried to read the thread? Or just to keep the conversation going?

                In the thread about the Spanish flu. It was exactly the same with her - they were dying of complications, the usual pneumonia. If there were antibiotics, lethality would be several times less. Learn materiel.
              2. mat-vey
                mat-vey 5 May 2021 15: 04
                -2
                Quote: bk316
                If there were antibiotics, the lethality would be several times less.

                How is it .. - Smoke the mat part.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 5 May 2021 15: 47
          +1
          Quote: mat-vey
          Quote: Pilat2009
          There were no antibiotics then

          Tell us how to treat viruses with antibiotics?

          Not viruses, but the same complications. Pneumonia for example
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 5 May 2021 15: 49
            -1
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Quote: mat-vey
            Quote: Pilat2009
            There were no antibiotics then

            Tell us how to treat viruses with antibiotics?

            Not viruses, but the same complications. Pneumonia for example

            Read the thread ...
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 19
            -1
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Not viruses, but the same complications. Pneumonia for example

            Then why are antibiotics prescribed from the first days, gaining resistance at the time of manifestation of complications? wink
            1. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 1 June 2021 14: 26
              -1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Then why are antibiotics prescribed from the first days,

              Who is discharged? Unas, for example, is not discharged. If there are wheezing in the lungs, then yes
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 1 June 2021 19: 44
              0
              The minus is not mine, but you either do not know, or you are lying. In the clinic, template printed recipes, I personally saw several people.
              From other cities they say the same thing.
    3. VLR
      VLR 5 May 2021 09: 44
      +3
      Antibiotics are useless for viral infections. And the Spaniard struck the main blow after the end of the war - when the demobilized soldiers returned home. And then even New Zealand "broke out".
  • bk316
    bk316 5 May 2021 14: 32
    0
    There was such a flu - "Spanish Flu" .... Covid against his background is a splinter in the corn ...

    Judging by all the mud, and what follows from this?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 5 May 2021 14: 47
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      There was such a flu - "Spanish Flu" .... Covid against his background is a splinter in the corn ...

      Judging by all the mud, and what follows from this?

      Quote: mat-vey
      Quote: bk316
      And you did not know?

      Have you tried to read the thread? Or just to keep the conversation going?
  • Usher
    Usher 4 May 2021 13: 52
    +5
    Quote: lis-ik
    Quote: sektant777
    And there are a lot of such questions about this epidemic.

    Well, people want to believe in the deadly flu, what to do, before statistics on deaths from influenza were not kept, I think it was no less, but it is necessary to catch up terribly. to get rich on the "vaccine", and many are. I myself am one of those who were constantly and are in zones of the so-called risk, I don’t wear a muzzle and I don’t believe in this crap!

    Did you yourself get sick? How many people have died from your actions? Does he walk without a mask, doctor?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 18: 39
      0
      Did you yourself get sick? How many people have died from your actions? Does he walk without a mask, doctor?
      Hmm, he is just an unbeliever and is not being fooled in any way, towards this "any", potential carrier and only ... angry
  • bk316
    bk316 4 May 2021 21: 27
    +4
    previously, statistics on deaths from influenza were not kept

    Damn another special. How could they not? 60 years already as they lead. I read it in the 90s. It has been in the public domain for many years. Didn't you write that you like to look at statistics in the primary source? Can you lie and take all the statistics from the TV box? Then, on TV, they didn't talk about mortality from the flu before ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 22
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      How could they not? 60 years already as they lead.
      Only the objectivity thereof is questionable. Personally, doctors told me twice that they were not allowed to diagnose the flu. ARVI, period.
  • Achilles
    Achilles 5 May 2021 08: 42
    0
    Quote: lis-ik
    Well, people want to believe in the deadly flu, what to do, before statistics on deaths from influenza were not kept, I think it was no less, but it is necessary to overtake terribly. to get rich on the "vaccine", and many are.

    The fact is that there are medicines, vaccines for different types of flu, and there was nothing from covid when it appeared, hence the hype, when proven effective vaccines and medicines appear, then covid will disappear and this needs to be understood. Before writing anything, sometimes the brain needs to be turned on.
  • A009
    A009 4 May 2021 11: 56
    0
    Have you tried to read the article above ??????
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2021 13: 11
    +3
    God forbid you do not face this personally
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 4 May 2021 13: 31
    +5
    how interesting it is to watch those who have not been touched by the epidemic .. I just want to knock on the head with a stick ..
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 4 May 2021 18: 36
      0
      how interesting it is to watch those who have not been touched by the epidemic .. I just want to knock on the head with a stick ..
      Especially those who sat at home and were not volunteers and do not have relatives who work / worked in the red zones, in the anti-plague ...!? It's funny and true, we are talking nonsense here, in their opinion, it is necessary to get together in restaurants and at mass parties, and not wear masks indoors, not even wash your hands ... fellow
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 4 May 2021 15: 38
    +1
    If only because we are not so crowded, even in Moscow, there is less unsanitary conditions and medicine is better developed. And the vaccine, whatever one may say, is better than the one produced by India.
  • PN
    PN 4 May 2021 17: 18
    +3
    Quote: sektant777

    Not tired of writing nonsense?

    So don't write. In my team of 33 people, only 5 did not get sick! There is a pandemic and it is a fact.
    1. sektant777
      sektant777 7 May 2021 07: 48
      0
      Everybody died? Previously, they were not sick with SARS?
      1. PN
        PN 7 May 2021 09: 59
        +1
        They didn’t get sick in batches. The brother of a colleague and a neighbor of his parents died, the lungs rotted.
        1. sektant777
          sektant777 7 May 2021 14: 49
          0
          Quote: PN
          They didn’t get sick in batches. The brother of a colleague and a neighbor of his parents died, the lungs rotted.
          Lungs rotted ??? Have you read a lot of tales from the Internet?
          How did they live with such lung damage?
          Even damage to the lungs by 10-20 percent already affects health. You start to cough, shortness of breath, fever and other joys. If more, then any therapist will hear wheezing by simply listening.
          And if they did not go to the doctor with all the symptoms, then they themselves are evil Pinocchio. Sorry for the cynicism.

          And again - "brother of the guard's setra".
          1. PN
            PN 7 May 2021 14: 58
            0
            Can you read? They died. Their lungs rotted and died.
            1. sektant777
              sektant777 7 May 2021 16: 33
              0
              I can.
              The lungs are not immediately affected. Symptoms appear immediately.
              They walked, and then suddenly "their lungs rotted and died"?
              Stop writing this nonsense.

              I suffered from pneumonia twice long before this covid-madness. When I was very young, I was under an IV when I was ill for the first time. Even under the Soviet Union, it was.
              I don’t need to tell what is happening to the lungs.
              1. PN
                PN 7 May 2021 16: 58
                0
                So don't write nonsense. There was no talk about right away, I wrote the cause of death, and not how quickly the disease passed to death. If anything, I had pneumonia 4 times, I know more about it than you do. And I got sick with covid last year. The disease is real and dies from it.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 4 May 2021 18: 32
    +3
    Didn't people die before?
    Not tired of writing nonsense?
    Namesake, the same question for YOU !?
    If you and your loved ones were carried away, this does not mean stable dynamics for everyone on this planet, in February this year I brought food to my neighbor, and did not know that she was sick, and then it’s not so good in my mind with thoughts, after the carriage paramedics with her on a stretcher and in a mask, I went to take the test and plus my wife, every month she takes it at work, and last year, working like that in my spacesuit, in the red zone, every 14 days, I took it .., after that you start react differently, to
    Didn't people die before?
    , plus, and when I went to the volunteer center in the spring of last year, to deliver food to the old people, when masks and gloves became surprisingly scarce in developed countries even in March, I came home and thought, and did not carry the infection on myself ... And so, everything is known in comparison, but not all comparisons are useful and pleasant for the body! request
    1. sektant777
      sektant777 7 May 2021 08: 12
      0
      Again. I read these whiny stories only on the Internet from nouns.

      During this "terrible" pandemic, not a single store has closed! Trade workers are immune to covid ???

      If the virus is so contagious, then it would wipe out all trade. The virus in the country was not from the moment when everyone was planted at home in March 20, but earlier, when everyone was not yet wearing masks. If you believe the media and adherents of cowardice, this virus is very contagious, easily transmitted. Cashiers should have been the first to get sick en masse. Something I do not remember the stories that some store was closed due to a lack of staff. In livestock networks, trade workers did not write about the horrors of the disease. Or am I missing something?
      In my district of Moscow, all shops were open. In the shops near the house, the same employees worked and are working as before all this hysteria.
      Damn it, there were massive demonstrations in Belarus, America and Europe. They should have all been infected.
      The Belarusian opposition would be the first to shout that hundreds of thousands of citizens were killed by a "mustachioed dictator".
      Where is all this? Can you explain?
  • olegff68
    olegff68 4 May 2021 19: 58
    +2
    And who actually told you that QUOTE: "there was no mass morbidity, let alone deaths, among trade workers, taxi drivers, traffic police, Ministry of Internal Affairs" ?????
    But I have other information - there were a LOT of cases among the representatives of these professions, including fatalities.
    In general, I advise all doubters to visit some familiar cemetery - the number of new burials will speak for itself.
    1. sektant777
      sektant777 7 May 2021 08: 19
      -1
      .
      Quote: olegff68
      And who actually told you that QUOTE: "there was no mass morbidity, let alone deaths, among trade workers, taxi drivers, traffic police, Ministry of Internal Affairs" ?????
      But I have other information - there were a LOT of cases among the representatives of these professions, including fatalities.
      In general, I advise all doubters to visit some familiar cemetery - the number of new burials will speak for itself.
      Ahaha!
      Zvezdobolov got a ride.
      My classmates and many good acquaintances are employees of the agencies, servicemen of the ARF.
      Yes, only 100 people with whom I play football confirm the opposite.
      1. olegff68
        olegff68 7 May 2021 23: 49
        -2
        Nu nude ... I sincerely wish you and all your self-confident acquaintances NOT to lie belly down under the ventilator ...
        We carried our 50-year-old neighbor gayts (though retired), cleaned up in a week ... A garage neighbor - a retired military man of the same age, cleaned up in a week after a trip to rest, A LOT of familiar cops, military and civil servants had been ill with different severity, some on the brink .....
        In general, I repeat - I recommend visiting a familiar cemetery .... I visited on Easter and was very impressed by the HUGE number of burials to old graves. And the overall mortality figures speak eloquently for themselves.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 May 2021 05: 41
    +2
    It turns out that news from India is an informational outburst and either it does not happen there or is dying from another disease?
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 4 May 2021 09: 14
      -5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      It turns out that news from India is an informational outburst and either it does not happen there or is dying from another disease?

      400 thousand sick for one and a half billion, even an epidemic can hardly be called, but in general, with the mud in which they live, it is strange that they are generally healthy.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 4 May 2021 12: 45
        +4
        400 thousand cases per day. More than 20 million in total
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 4 May 2021 12: 58
          -8
          Quote: smart fellow
          400 thousand cases per day. More than 20 million in total

          Read the article carefully.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 5 May 2021 12: 31
            +2
            This applies to you. It was on the day of 400 thousand cases of recent indicators in India.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 5 May 2021 13: 02
              +1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              This applies to you. It was on the day of 400 thousand cases of recent indicators in India.

              And Socrates is not a friend of his friend, but:
              "The perfect storm

              More than 400 thousand officially infected with COVID-19 have been registered in India since the beginning of May. "- the very first line.
              "Yesterday, 05:17" is the date of publication ..
              Date of writing is not specified.
              1. bk316
                bk316 6 May 2021 12: 42
                0
                And Socrates is not a friend of his friend, but:

                Is it so hard to go online and look at the original source?

                In India, since the beginning of the pandemic, it has been infected more than 21 million people.
                On May 400, more than XNUMX thousand people were infected.

                The author obviously meant 400000 a day, but this is wrong, there is a little more, a little less.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 6 May 2021 14: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: bk316
                  Is it so hard to go online and look at the original source?

                  Is it really difficult to scroll to the top of the page to read the beginning of the article, the very first line?
                  If the primary source were discussed here, then the primary source would be discussed here - HERE DISCUSS THE ARTICLE ...
                  Although, considering what is being said here about the Spanish woman, at least, everyone is discussing here not an article, not a primary source, but his own "rich inner world" ..
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 30
                  0
                  Quote: bk316
                  In India, more than 21 million people have been infected since the start of the pandemic.

                  Now estimate how much it is as a percentage of the total population (taking into account the fairly widespread unsanitary conditions and overcrowding) and the number of deaths from this. The answers to these questions raise even more questions.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 11 May 2021 13: 05
                    0
                    Now estimate how much it is as a percentage of the total population,

                    One and a half percent. So what?
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 May 2021 13: 12
        +2
        Quote: lis-ik
        400 thousand cases for one and a half billion

        read carefully?
      3. Roman1970_1
        Roman1970_1 4 May 2021 14: 55
        +3
        400 thousand sick for one and a half billion, even an epidemic can hardly be called, but in general, with the mud in which they live, it is strange that they are generally healthy.


        400 thousand per day
  • smart ass
    smart ass 4 May 2021 05: 59
    +9
    If it were not for me and my brother, my parents would have died from covid. My brother paid for the tests, but I brought antibiotics and antivirals and made me drink. The doctor came and advised to rest and ventilate ... t. There are no places in the hospital. Treatment for covid is largely dependent on the availability of relatives and money.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 May 2021 06: 48
      +4
      Why is that?! Here, many have been ill, either relatives or acquaintances. Including me. And the places were and the treatment was completed in full. If you have something like this, you do not write here but to the prosecutor's office. They're all so upset there ... It won't seem a little. An ambulance took my mother to the rush in the city. They put me in a regular hospital. Treatment and everything else is completely free. What kind of money are you writing about at all ???
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 07: 29
        +4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        If you have something like this, you do not write here but to the prosecutor's office.

        Then you should immediately write to the Ministry of Health to the prosecutor's office. And in principle, and not only to the Ministry of Health.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 May 2021 07: 47
          +1
          Exactly. These are criminal offenses. Moreover, several at once. Although I have little idea of ​​it.
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            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 May 2021 07: 54
              0
              I'm talking about the current situation. Without going deep.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 11: 22
                +4
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I'm talking about the current situation. Without going deep

                So the current situation did not begin today.
      2. sektant777
        sektant777 4 May 2021 07: 49
        +7
        This is what storytellers write. I do not believe.
        Many of my acquaintances have had this "terrible" virus as well as seasonal SARS. Someone had a hard time, but they did not hear any problems in treatment from anyone, except for the inconvenience with a restriction on movement.
        He had fever for a couple of days and lay at home for a week, did not call the doctor. I didn’t take tests. In the same way, at the same time of the year - November, I was ill in 19.

        But because of this cowardice, several acquaintances could not receive timely medical care for other really dangerous diseases.

        I do not deny the existence of covid19, but its danger is greatly exaggerated.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 4 May 2021 12: 15
          +9
          This is subjective. I was ill in March 20. Transferred easily. In addition to temperature, the only symptoms were loss of taste and smell. And the most offensive thing is that the sense of smell has not been restored until now. Tobish smells that I oshushu but worse. And sometimes it happens that I perceive the wrong smells. The food smells like something indigestible. So far I’ve learned that it’s a problem with the sense of smell a couple of times ran over my wife. Several times I was looking for burnt wires at home that were not there. It's a shitty disease. With consequences. And those consequences are not yet fully understood. We will still grab trouble.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 5 May 2021 12: 36
            +4
            After the covid, all the diseases that they had worsened among friends. Many people complain of joint problems.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 5 May 2021 13: 51
              +2
              Kidneys, eyes, joints. The list is long. In some cases, coincidences. Sometimes there is a clear connection. While statistics are being worked out. It will take several years. But the fact that there are consequences and not easy to call them is clear already now. But there is nothing to do. As the saying goes "Let's Live !!!"
      3. smart ass
        smart ass 4 May 2021 08: 40
        +4
        I write about hospitals in cities with 25 thousand population
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 4 May 2021 08: 41
        +5
        Do you want to prove to me that black is white?!))) Have you been to all cities of the country and personally checked hospitals?
      5. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 4 May 2021 08: 42
        -1
        I don’t know how you live and where you live, but I and ALL of my friends bought medicines, because the hospital did not offer normal ones ... these are facts .. they offered some, of course, but at times less effective than needed in order to survive with a high degree of probability, and experiment with parents and save money, something I did not want .. Vasya writes about this money .. They also waited for an ambulance mother for 10 hours and so that they would not be sent to the regional center in the "hospital", but left in the regional - I had to fuss .. this is the reality we have .. you may have a different one ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 May 2021 09: 10
          0
          What does normal mean ??? Treatment is the same for everyone, according to clear forms. After being discharged in the epicrisis, you are prescribed according to the list what you need. It's up to you to choose. There is something more expensive and cheaper. What are you writing about, I don't understand? Did you carry medications to the hospital? What can you ask? And then I asked my mother's doctor what she could bring, she said no. Everything is. What about fussing around is your personal wishlist. What are they in this conversation for?)
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 4 May 2021 09: 59
            +5
            Yes, the same, but it does not mean the best and most effective .. I don’t remember the name anymore, I’m not a doctor .. some hormones, after which I immediately felt better and which the doctors themselves recommended, saying that they were not included in the approved standard of treatment, and I had to look for them even in the area of ​​60tr cost .. the doctors themselves unofficially said that without them it would be hard to get out 80 percent of the lungs were struck, there could be no personal interest of the doctors - I was looking for them, but for sure, that literally from the next day how to prick started - the condition began to improve ..
            My Wishlist? Yes, I really didn’t want to take my mother to a rural hospital, which was not designed for this, 50 km from the city, instead of the regional infectious disease .. is this not normal? Moreover, it turns out that the places were just not for everyone ..
            I don't understand, Dmitry, what are you trying to prove, that everything is awesome and there was no need to fuss even when the doctor said that their chances were rather weak on their medicines? I had to say, doctor, what other medicines, after all, the whole ministry approved the standard, you don’t fumble, the doctor means he helps, let's check on my mother, we argue, doctor, and so everything will be fine? You mean that, what did I have to do? Oh well..
            1. sektant777
              sektant777 4 May 2021 12: 11
              -3
              Sorry, but you are writing some nonsense. Have you read the internet?
              Doctors will not deal with gag, because if something happens they will go to court.
              They can only offer a more expensive generic. Like, instead of the penny Azithromycin, its full analogue Sumamed.

              Once again, good health to everyone, but we got these terrible stories from the Internet. They only fuel hysteria among the suspicious public.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 4 May 2021 13: 05
                +5
                In 1x - why did you decide that the real story from my life is a lie? grounds?
                In 2x - Denis, do you understand the meaning of the word - unofficially? if you understand, your post is incomprehensible .. And at the expense of good health, I join!
                P.S. minusers - are you normal? I have shared my practice from the life of my family .. no opinion, no assessment, no history from the Internet .. practice-reality, what is the minus? At least minus, at least no, reality does not change from this ..
              2. Nikon OConor
                Nikon OConor 4 May 2021 19: 55
                0
                He also drank, recently, once (the symptoms were obvious) azithromycin, it seems that he never drank a more powerful piece. Tritable tablets in a package, but the effect !!! It lasted 2 days, but by the end of the 1st day there were no ARVI symptoms. Powerful thing
                1. smart ass
                  smart ass 5 May 2021 06: 55
                  +1
                  Azithromycin, nobozit, zinc, vitamin c and d3 are like blue
              3. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 5 May 2021 12: 39
                +1
                I don't know about other people, but my effect on the body of cheap and expensive generics is completely the same.
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 4 May 2021 11: 00
            +5
            all have the same clear forms

            They are called PROTOCOLS. And you are right, Protocols for treating non-typical pneumonia are the same in all healthcare facilities.
      6. IvaNik
        IvaNik 4 May 2021 09: 40
        -1
        About Ukrainian. There, as written above.
      7. Stas157
        Stas157 4 May 2021 09: 40
        +6
        Quote: carstorm 11
        What kind of money are you writing about at all ???

        I spent twenty thousand on treatment. The whole family was sick. At home. Nobody offered a hospital! I had bilateral pneumonia, but the tests showed nothing. In the ambulance they said:
        - And why did you suddenly decide that you have a coronavirus? CT (paid) doesn't say anything yet!

        Surprisingly, our experience is always the opposite. Reading you, I really want to get to that magical, prosperous country, where no social problems, by definition, do not happen!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 4 May 2021 10: 16
          +1
          I only spent on medicine after I was discharged. Plus vitamins and stuff. The talk is about paying for treatment and not about spending at all. The opposite is yes. It all depends on the perception. I have no negative. You have. He who seeks finds. I live by different rules.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 4 May 2021 11: 04
            +7
            Drug money is spent on outpatient treatment or after discharge. We cannot even approach the covid hospital, the parcels are transferred to the cart at the entrance to the territory, then it is taken to the hospital itself. What kind of money?
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 4 May 2021 13: 17
            +7
            If you mean our conversation, I did not talk about the payment for treatment, you were wrong, I talked about additional drugs at my own expense in severe cases (not according to the treatment protocol, they are not provided for simply) .. And not about buying Doctors have them - you don't seem to understand me ..
            After all, if the case is not difficult, they are not needed, of course .. so I'm glad that you didn't need additional medications, it's just wonderful ..
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 4 May 2021 13: 27
              +1
              So it is for everyone. Recovery is a serious matter. After discharge, everyone buys. I bought everything for my mom on the list right away. I'm not the only one who noticed, I'm sorry that it sounded that, in principle, you paid for the treatment. So they built a proposal)
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 5 May 2021 10: 23
            +5
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I have no negativebut. You have.

            You are a saint, practically! True, your holiness is directed exclusively towards power. Eliminates criticism as such.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 7 May 2021 10: 46
              0
              what does holiness have to do with it? Listen. I am not your supporter. And I despise your ideas. But even in my thoughts I did not keep despising you personally for them. Where did you get the idea that you can teach me for mine? I live by the rules that were instilled by my parents and grandfathers. I went to the SVU when all the balabolies were eating cookies from my mother. The first battle I had was when 90 percent of those writing here in a handkerchief blew their nose. You don't have to teach me life. It's not worth it. Yes, I respect our power. But I know that it could be better. but certainly not with the rattles from the socialists. Idle balabols out of touch with reality
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 5 May 2021 10: 08
          +3
          All my relatives were ill, money in the region of 40 sput for all. The father-in-law cost the most expensive coronovir bought around 7 tyr, by the way, an ambulance arrived to him after 2 days. Vitamin d3 had to be bought in the mass market. there were no pharmacies.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 4 May 2021 13: 36
      -5
      and where in Russia is it offered to be treated by "airing"?
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 5 May 2021 13: 15
        +2
        Kushva city sverdl region
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 5 May 2021 13: 20
          -1
          And now they said directly that "the coronavirus is not treated with anything ... only airing"? Or did they still voice recommendations for treatment? Or do you have only iodine and brilliant green from the drugs in intensive care?
          1. smart ass
            smart ass 5 May 2021 13: 42
            +2
            Nobody hospitalized anyone. The parents stayed at home. The doctor came once a week.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 5 May 2021 13: 50
              -4
              Well, they came to my parents and told me what medicines you need to buy to facilitate portability .. and this is a village in the Oryol region .. So either your doctor was a complete layman, or you should have listened to him better .. otherwise I don't understand how the instructions were made
              1. smart ass
                smart ass 5 May 2021 14: 38
                +2
                Every time a new one came)))
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 6 May 2021 08: 32
        +2
        Quote: Barberry25
        and where is it in Russia offer to treat "airing"?

        Yes, everywhere! Was treated last summer. Mandatory airing in the room was 2-3 times a day. Then they did not really know what to treat and it was believed (and it is so) that ventilation reduces at least the concentration of covid in the air.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 6 May 2021 09: 12
          -1
          airing is not a cure .. and drugs to ease portability were already known in the summer
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 6 May 2021 09: 20
            +3
            Quote: Barberry25
            and drugs to facilitate portability were already known in summer

            They were so famous that three times they completely changed my treatment. And each time for a more lethal one. Miraculously not healed!
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 4 May 2021 15: 18
      +3
      With hospitals, the main problem is that they were given under Kovidniks, who did not have Kovid in hospitals. During the period of self-isolation, my mother fell seriously ill for some unknown reason, the ambulance came three times, and was not taken to the hospital. Thank God everything worked out. But what was never determined, they got off with symptoms.
    4. bk316
      bk316 4 May 2021 21: 29
      +4
      Treatment for covid is largely dependent on the availability of relatives and money.

      Vasya's treatment for ANYTHING depends on relatives and money, I will add also on acquaintances.
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 May 2021 12: 33
      +1
      Several of my relatives and my wife's have been ill. Nobody demanded any money in the hospital.
      1. bk316
        bk316 5 May 2021 13: 17
        0
        Nobody demanded any money in the hospital.

        And none of the doctors will demand money.

        It will just heal you recommended medicine, and what is recommended is what fits into the budget, and not the most effective, and you will be operated by an ordinary surgeon, and there is a queue for the luminary for years.

        Coronavirus is rather an exception here - there are no drugs yet, hospitals are infectious (they are all built according to strict rules), there are no special specialists either, because the methods have not been developed ...
  • gsev
    gsev 4 May 2021 06: 10
    -8
    Quote: sektant777
    There is covid, but its danger is greatly exaggerated.

    In absolute terms, for India, Covid-19-2 kills as many people in 6 days as Russians died in the day of the war with the Wehrmacht.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 4 May 2021 05: 24
    -4
    This is natural selection, I don't see anything wrong, Indian maharajas do not want to take care of their slaves.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 4 May 2021 05: 44
    +6
    Even the unfortunate Biden (or his puppeteers) was smart enough to ban all flights from India. A year ago, when Trump banned flights from China, all the crap, and Biden was almost the loudest, shouted "Trump is a racist, hey!"
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 07: 31
      +6
      Quote: Nagan
      A year ago, when Trump banned flights from China, all the crap, and Biden was almost the loudest, shouted "Trump is a racist, hey!"

      Well, "this is different."
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 May 2021 06: 15
    +3
    At the same time, in neighboring China, after sitting for a couple of months in real quarantine (and even then not everyone), they have long forgotten about the pandemic and live like normal people.
    Yes, and in the aforementioned Australia, too, has long been order.
    Here is a clear difference in the results of real infection control and decorative half measures.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 4 May 2021 06: 53
      +4
      There was a different approach. They simply locked up an entire province with 60 million inhabitants in settlements. Therefore, it did not go around the country. Moreover, they were locked up tightly with the involvement of the army. Nobody else can do this in the world.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 07: 35
        +14
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Nobody else can do this in the world.

        With an ineffective scoop, we could. It's good that there is no scoop, but now there are a hundred varieties of shitty sausages and 100 thousand additional corpses per year. Nothing women still give birth, anyhow, not communism.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 4 May 2021 06: 27
    +15
    communication with India must be stopped by everyone.

    This is how people were saved from epidemics for a long time. In our overpopulated world, this is difficult to do, but it must be done.

    It is utter nonsense to let students from India into Russia, is it really not enough that we already have?
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 May 2021 06: 45
      +9
      relatives in Italy waited a long time for the appearance of Sputnik in order to be grafted with it, then they tried to break into San Marino in order to be grafted by Sputnik there for any money did not work.

      In Russia, everything is free, but not one of the heap of relatives is in a hurry to go - they hope for the collective immunity gained by someone else.
      True, some already have antibodies ...
      1. Liam
        Liam 4 May 2021 07: 05
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        relatives in Italy waited a long time for the appearance of Sputnik in order to be grafted with it, then they tried to get into San Marino to be grafted by Sputnik there for any money - it did not work

        And what in Italy you can get vaccinated when you want what kind of vaccine you want?
        Especially a Satellite that is not registered.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 4 May 2021 07: 26
          +2
          Quote: Liam
          And what in Italy you can get vaccinated when you want what kind of vaccine you want?

          you just don’t understand Russian ..
          Again :
          relatives in Italy waited a long time emergence Satellite.
          that is, what will be allowed in Italy and delivered, but did not wait.

          They called themselves, in the end, to the vaccination center, they were assigned a day, they went and made Pfizer - they wanted him, but the zeneka, according to the doctors, did not suit them.
          empty chatterbox.
          1. Liam
            Liam 4 May 2021 07: 29
            -2
            Quote: Olgovich
            They called themselves, in the end, to the vaccination center, they were assigned a day, they went and did

            Yes you)
            And how old are the relatives?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 4 May 2021 07: 29
              -4
              Quote: Liam
              Yes you)
              And how old are the relatives?

              none of your business.
              1. Liam
                Liam 4 May 2021 07: 31
                +4
                The chatterbox is a godsend for a spy)
                In Italy, 60+ year olds are now vaccinated. And special categories are doctors, firefighters, police, etc.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 4 May 2021 07: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Liam
                  The chatterbox is a godsend for a spy)
                  In Italy, 60+ year olds are now vaccinated. And special categories are doctors, firefighters, police, etc.

                  And, a gibberish?
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 4 May 2021 07: 55
                    +3
                    Do you have any other data?)

                    Well, tell me, I'll laugh with pleasure.
                    They called themselves, in the end, to the vaccination center

                    Do you have the slightest idea what is the procedure for registration in Italy? They called ... did not write letters? .. To the village of grandfather)
                    tried to break into San Marino to be grafted with Sputnik there for any money

                    Tell us this fascinating detective story. I suppose we will learn a lot of interesting things).
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 4 May 2021 08: 16
                      +2
                      I don’t know about Italy, but in America the registration was online until yesterday. They announced that, starting yesterday, registration is no longer required, everyone is injected on a first-come, first-served basis.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 4 May 2021 08: 22
                        +3
                        Quote: Nagan
                        registration is no longer required

                        And in Italy they are required. In particular, in Lombardy (where the relatives of this nonsense allegedly live), elderly people aged 70-74 are currently vaccinated.


                        It was not in vain that he immediately merged on the question of age.
                        Registration of 50-59 year olds, for example, opened only on April 30th. And vaccination is from May 19th to June 7th .. Registration of those under 49 is not open at all. .Only people with disabilities who cannot move and need vaccination at home are registered by phone. There is a special green number, the so-called
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 4 May 2021 09: 27
                      -4
                      Quote: Liam
                      Do you have any other data?)

                      What, I was talking about some data?

                      Well, tell me, I'll laugh with pleasure.
                      They are up to me, yes.
                      Quote: Liam
                      They called ... did not write letters? .. To the village of grandfather)

                      again... didn't get it? fool

                      then read ten, one hundred times:
                      They called themselves, in the end, to the vaccination center, they were assigned a day, they went and made Pfizer
                      .- so it is told. Not interested in anything more.

                      Quote: Liam
                      Tell us this fascinating detectiveI suppose we will learn a lot of interesting things)

                      1. learn first what a "detective" is

                      2. interesting things have been heard and stated, and what are you interested in additionally - do you not care?
                      In particular, in Lombardy (where the relatives of this nonsense allegedly live), elderly people aged 70-74 are currently vaccinated.

                      what is not true, chatterbox?

                      two have been vaccinated since April 28, another one is on May 10.

                      believe / do not believe, again, do not care.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 4 May 2021 10: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        what is not true

                        The fact that poor women all their lives dreamed of being vaccinated with a patriotic Companion, for which they waited until the last and were even ready to pour money into San Marino.
                        Since April 26, San Marino has opened tourist vaccinations. There is nothing special to fill in there. 50 euros is worth, well, and pay 3 days in a hotel. However, due to the fact that Sputnik is banned in Italy, Italian residents Sputnik cannot be vaccinated in San Marino either.
                        Further. Relatives could not wait for any Sputnik because they did not decide when and what to vaccinate. In Italy, 4 vaccines are allowed. Pfizer, Modern, Astrazeneca and Johnson. According to Astrazenek, there is a restriction - they do not vaccinate people under 60.
                        As
                        went and made Pfizer - they wanted him, but the zeneca, according to the doctors, did not fit
                        .
                        then relatives are under 60.

                        Since now only over 70 and special categories are vaccinated, there is only one option for how they could be vaccinated in April. These are people who work with the elderly either at home or in hospices. But hospices first of all vaccinated with health workers in January / February. So your relatives take care of the elderly / disabled at home. Badante. And they were vaccinated not when they wanted, but when it was their wards' turn. And naturally no one would allow them to work with them if they were vaccinated with the forbidden Companions, even in San Marino, even in Moldova) , even on Mars.
                        So do not expose your relatives as unreasonable turbopatriots in order to get cheap plus signs on the site. And do not pour water on the ears of users)
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 4 May 2021 11: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: Liam
                        That poor women have dreamed all their lives patriotic Companion For what they waited until the last and were even ready to pour money on San Marino.

                        this is true, because people from here and believe exactly Russian Sputnik (and their Italian relatives are agitated). And May 9 is adored and celebrated in full. And February 23 and March 8 are hotly celebrated (you do not understand)

                        Does such a simple explanation come to mind of the Moldovan opomoi?

                        Maybe I just need to take my mind off my own scorching brain, Russophobia? And everything will fall into place? wink
                        Quote: Liam
                        Further, the relatives could not wait for any Sputnik, because they did not decide when and what to vaccinate.

                        they HOPED that they would allow it and bring it, and they WANTED it exactly: this is their RIGHT.
                        And all ears were buzzing about San Marino with Sputnik, how great it is and how they envy and want.
                        .
                        Quote: Liam
                        then relatives are under 60.

                        lol again you finger in. Much older.
                        Quote: Liam
                        that is, there is only one option for how they could get vaccinated in April. These are people working with the elderly or at home.

                        lol mine are not hired, but they are hired
                        Quote: Liam
                        So do not expose your relatives as unreasonable turbopatriots in order to get cheap plus signs on the site. And do not pour water on the ears of users

                        you have already presented yourself as an obsessively suspicious and ridiculous Russophobe.

                        If the above does not fit into your theoretical constructions, these are purely your problems and brain pain, which are indifferent to me.

                        Got it, no? No.
                      3. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 13: 16
                        -2
                        people from here also believe in Russian Sputnik (and their Italian relatives are agitated). And May 9 is adored and celebrated in full. And February 23rd and March 8th are hotly celebrated (you don't understand)
                        Have you bought Lada Grant yet? Or do they believe the Western auto industry?
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 5 May 2021 06: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Have you bought Lada Grant yet? Or do they believe the Western auto industry?

                        they left you
                    3. Liam
                      Liam 4 May 2021 13: 39
                      +4
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Russophobia

                      Well, that's it ... the lyrics and snot have gone)

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      people from here and believe it is Russian Sputnik

                      Oh yes ... The most patriotic patriots are those who yearn for Sputnik in Milan squares and Chisinau gateways. the best in the world Far Eastern hectare and be injected with the best patriotic vaccine in the village ambulance station. It's a pity that those who live in Russia, and do not yearn for it from a sunny distance, are not particularly in a hurry to be vaccinated with this miracle of science and technology.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      how they envy and want.

                      But the evil spirits prevented and forcibly injected the adversary Pfizer. Free of charge)
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Much older.

                      Do not slander poor women, because they bend their backs while earning and can take offense and deprive the unlucky Chisinau pensioners of humanitarian aid, vegetating on the Nerothschild allowance from the Moldovan pension fund
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      hire themselves

                      Undoubtedly. The percentage of aristocrats among the noisy patriotic public in VO is simply off scale. Wherever you spit, at least you will get into the graph)
                    4. Nikon OConor
                      Nikon OConor 4 May 2021 20: 22
                      +6
                      I read, I read your srach and have already lost the train of your thoughts. Damn, inject haloperidol into your ass .... don't bother people.
                    5. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 5 May 2021 07: 11
                      -1
                      Quote: Liam
                      Well, that's it ... the lyrics and snot have gone)

                      it's simple data: reality exists, yes, regardless of your perception of the world.
                      Chop it on your forehead
                      Quote: Liam
                      Oh yeah... The most patriotic patriots are those who yearn for Sputnik in the Milan Christmas tree clinic.Sorry just that those who live in Russia, and do not yearn for it from a sunny distance, as it is not particularly in a hurry to be vaccinated with this miracle of science and technology.

                      lol you have already spattered your hysterical Russophobic saliva.
                      And at least something new, otherwise all the same dull usual screams about a hectare ... laughing

                      Quote: Liam
                      Do not slander poor women, because they are bending their backs while earning money and can take offense and deprive the unlucky Chisinau pensioners of humanitarian aid, vegetating on the Nerothschild allowance from the Moldovan pension fund.
                      Undoubtedly Percentage of aristocrats among vociferous patriotic

                      lol in the head of a Moldovan migrant worker offended by life in italy, always bending over and deceived by everyone, simple truths cannot be kept in mind: what people can say (and say) the truththat someone can ANYWHERE get settled and live better than him - OUTSIDE the usual and usual concepts for him, the level of income and relations between people.

                      It is a pity for him, this is an unhappy, in fact, deprived of much, individual ... hi
                  2. Liam
                    Liam 5 May 2021 13: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    And May 9 is adored and celebrated in full. And February 23rd and March 8th are hotly celebrated

                    Bastille Day missed
                  3. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 6 May 2021 07: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: Liam
                    Day of Taking Bastilles missed


                    I missed, but you did not.

                    Don't miss the gay pride parade now (italop will be excommunicated)
  • Revolver
    Revolver 4 May 2021 08: 13
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    let's go and make a Pfizer

    Pfizer is kind of like the gold standard, with efficiency over 90%. But the side effects from him - I judge for myself and my wife, after the first injection for about a day they felt like a slight flu. But after the second (just injected on Sunday, May 2), the day is like a severe flu, which will be on the second tomorrow. In principle, such crap can normally last up to three days, and if longer, then you need to see a doctor. But for now, all bones and head are aching, and the hand into which they injected does not rise.
    Quote: Olgovich
    zeneka, according to the doctors, did not suit them.

    Astra-Zeneca in America was not approved for use due to insufficient effectiveness and an increased risk of thrombosis, especially in women of childbearing age.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 May 2021 10: 34
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      But after the second (just injected on Sunday, May 2), the day as in severe fluthat will be on the second tomorrow.


      sincerely wish you a quick end to this and -health.
      Hold on! hi
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 4 May 2021 19: 22
        -1
        Thank you. I slept through the night and seemed to get well. And the hand is already half working. hi
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 May 2021 10: 51
      +4
      Quote: Nagan
      Pfizer is kind of like the gold standard, with efficiency over 90%. But the side effects from him - I judge for myself and my wife, after the first injection for about a day they felt like a slight flu. But after the second (just injected on Sunday, May 2), the day is like a severe flu, which will be on the second tomorrow.

      I got my first shot of the vaccine on March 5th.
      There was such an impression that it was as if the doping had stopped - the efficiency jumped to the level of a 20-year-old ... laughing
      On March 26 he made a second injection. The condition has returned to normal. And even something sad. After the first injection, my condition was better. I did not experience any special side effects. Maybe because he was wandering on business between three cities with air travel? Although in my 60s it could have been worse.
      A classmate from Ukraine called the day before yesterday. And when I told him that it was possible to get vaccinated at Domodedovo, he immediately began to gather the whole family in order to get to Moscow airports even as a stuffed animal, at least as a carcass.
    3. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 13: 19
      +1
      Astra-Zeneca in America was not approved
      They put my wife the day before yesterday - all night and the whole day she was shitty - her joints ached, fever - and then everything disappeared and how new she became yes
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 4 May 2021 13: 23
      +3
      Well, after the second Sputnik I was also shaking for two days .. Then I was released.
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 4 May 2021 16: 01
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      But the side effects from him - I judge for myself and my wife, after the first injection for about a day they felt like a slight flu. But after the second (just injected on Sunday, May 2), the day is like a severe flu, which will be on the second tomorrow. In principle, such crap can normally last up to three days,

      They injected with the Sputnik .. the last vaccination was on April 13 ... The same sensations ... Only after the second time it was easier than yours ... And the friend did not feel anything at all ... But he is a bison, in health and size .. ...
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 07: 46
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    True, some already have antibodies ...

    Well Duc while waiting for the vaccine in these vague restrictions, many people have clearly and implicitly been ill. I was lucky, had been ill and did not die. Although I felt pretty shit for a week. With constant high fever and fever.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 4 May 2021 10: 38
      +2
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      ... I was lucky, had been ill and did not die. Although I felt pretty shit for a week.

      my wife and I had fever for a week, lost our "scent", coughed for 2 months, but did not go anywhere ...
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 11: 23
        +2
        I smelled smells. Well, as far as possible with a stuffy nose. In general, compared with many other cases, it passed relatively easily.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 4 May 2021 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          I smelled smells. Well, as far as possible with a stuffy nose. In general, compared with many other patients, relatively passed easily.

          And thank God.

          Health!
        2. bk316
          bk316 4 May 2021 21: 32
          +1
          passed relatively easily.

          Lucky. Rejoice, but take care of yourself. It becomes clear that the crown has a lot of pending complications.
          At our work, a young guy tolerated relatively easily - after 3 months there was a lot of damage to the vessels of the brain.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 07: 38
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    In our overpopulated world, this is difficult to do, but it must be done.

    This is a capitalist economy with its glory and poverty. Therefore, we have sunk to such crap. A strict quarantine had to be introduced at the very beginning. But the loot turned out to be more important.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 May 2021 06: 33
    +2
    All this could be expected. A lot of people live far from civilization. The only thing they come into contact with is credits. We need tanks, planes to put more people at some height. The import of military equipment is huge, but there is no money for health care. The crown will mutate. And along with it, military psychosis will increase. And what to do with this? When everyone has only Napoleonic plans in their heads, no matter what is under their noses: dirt, poverty. The main thing is to show yourself strong.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 07: 49
      -1
      Quote: nikvic46
      The import of military equipment is huge, but there is no money for healthcare.

      Well, those who raise money from this trade with medicine are all right, but before the slaves, when did the slave owners care? Well, it's okay to die. The main thing is that you can buy a new yacht.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 4 May 2021 19: 34
      -2
      Quote: nikvic46
      The import of military equipment is huge, but there is no money for healthcare.

      Well, so nobody won the elections with the construction of the hospital. And it is very helpful to show up beautifully before the elections at a military parade with the coolest equipment. And a small victorious war ... Although the victory in the Gulf War in 1991 never helped Bush the Dad in the 1992 elections.
  • Li17
    Li17 4 May 2021 07: 07
    0
    of course there is a disease, and its "results" also exist .... And what is the usefulness of this disease, it showed how insignificant we are with our human qualities ..., or rather collective qualities, such as posturing, cowardice, meanness ... The disease will cease to be dangerous when collective immunity appears in the population in the head and in the soul, that we should not cheerfully report that everything is ready here ... we will start thinking about a real solution to ANY problem not only in healthcare, but in the economy, in education, in the preservation of territories where we live (in India, this is a terrible mess), in the legal field ... When we understand that the main thing is not monkeys (basically I cannot say so about an artistic get-together otherwise) on the stages or officials and businessmen in the administration (my favorite Aksai) who, for some reason, show how rich they are ... and those hard workers who feed us, teach us, treat us, protect us!
    By the way, some of my colleagues ended up in a well-lit covid hospital in Rostov, built by the Ministry of Defense, as a result, some became 200, since it was not READY, it was not heated! I think someone who served knows what it means to paint the grass and everything like that, so the covid poked all of humanity into our lawn, which we, as usual, decided to shaman in front of the naughty! Not only that, we are still trying to show to the whole world how rich we are, it would be better if they sent humanitarian aid to the regional hospitals, everything is empty, the medical staff leaves because of the swinish attitude of the leadership, which has no money, but there is a task as usual, everything is great ".....
  • mark2
    mark2 4 May 2021 07: 26
    0
    India on this sad indicator is already the second in the world, second only to the United States.

    And of course Hell is only in India. Yeah. Is it good about the Grad on the Hill, or will they pay? So, Evgeny Fedorov?
    The fact that India is a problem is understandable: the overgrowth of the population, unsanitary conditions, local traditions, a third world country, as mentioned in the article.
    And in the United States, what is in the way? The first economy in the world, a high level of medicine, 100 years ahead of Russia, and overseas from India and even Australia and all that, and so liquidly dispose of .. What prevents them from defeating Covid in one fell swoop? Why is the most highly developed country in the deepest ass?

    The more I read articles from the opinion section, the more I get the impression that the site has begun to engage in propaganda and often anti-Russian. And this article too. 64 students arrived in Russia, 46 patients. Who let it in? Power! Is this a diversion? Yes!
    And the evidence in the article is some sort of calculated on the fact that the layman will not check them. All that remains is to trust the authority of the author and the authority of the site. and it immediately begins to fall on the fertile soil of a layer of dissatisfied with the authorities: what is the use of vaccination when covid-20 comes and everything is in vain?
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 11: 20
      +3
      Quote: mark2
      Why is the most highly developed country in the deepest ass?

      And you yourself do not guess? Because capitalism is there. The one that is ideal for our liberal patriots. Therefore, trillions are spent on the military budget, and normal medicine is for those who fit into the market.
  • Adagka
    Adagka 4 May 2021 08: 36
    +5
    Who would doubt that businessmen in dressing gowns, having gained power and money, will now just give them up. There will be another 10,20, 100 waves, millions of mutations, further dragging of dirty muzzles (in general, it's funny how from a zombie box these businessmen in dressing gowns broadcast that muzzles dragged by the population in dirty pockets and jackets can, in principle, somehow help). And the fact that the majority of the population of the Russian Federation is in no hurry to line up in order to be pricked by another miracle that has been done with no analogs suggests that there is no trust in the authorities
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 May 2021 09: 18
    +3
    No matter how cynical it may sound, there are so many of them that "the detachment will not notice the loss of a soldier" ....
    We relaxed, hoping that it would pass by ... but it did not pass by.
    That is why vaccination is stalled in our country ... everything you need is there, so the population hopes for something again ???
    The percentage of vaccinated below reasonable limits and the possibility, availability, of this medical procedure !!!
    Those. will we wait for the roasted cock to bite into the loin ???
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 May 2021 10: 25
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      That is why our vaccination is stalled ... everything you need is there, so the population is hoping for some reason again

      No ... Syndrome of the "Land of the Soviets".
      The hysteria about the alleged failure of the full test cycle of Sputnik V was not in vain. Many people are afraid of the side effects that occur after being vaccinated with any vaccine. And now we have the result - there is a vaccine, two or three types. And there are no queues in clinics and hospitals.
      But how much sorrow was caused by the message about the suspension of flights with Turkey at the end of April ...
      This is how we live - "Die you today, and I'll see from what ..."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 May 2021 10: 34
        +1
        I can imagine what a squeal will rise if they begin to introduce restrictions for those who want to enter paradise on someone else's hump !!!
        It is worth taking a closer look at someone else's experience, when the state relies on those who trust it, and puts all sly ones in a stall, so that they think, think, with what every person has / had from birth ... with rare exceptions.
        The results can be seen, they are already there.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 May 2021 10: 40
          +5
          This is what they do, in fact, in Israel.
          The other day on the Air Force I looked at the summary of the fight against Covid-19 in the UK - over the past day, 1 (one) person died, the number of cases is kept at the level of 2 thousand per month. Those. a tough lockdown has borne fruit, coupled with vaccinations.
          And in our country, declared a dictatorship of autocracy, the people do not itch ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 May 2021 11: 40
            +1
            Wherever there is relaxation in power, bad consequences are IMMEDIATE !!!
            You shouldn't be holier than all the saints, especially in such a dangerous situation !!!
          2. igor67
            igor67 4 May 2021 12: 43
            +6
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            This is what they do, in fact, in Israel.
            The other day on the Air Force I looked at the summary of the fight against Covid-19 in the UK - over the past day, 1 (one) person died, the number of cases is kept at the level of 2 thousand per month. Those. a tough lockdown has borne fruit, coupled with vaccinations.
            And in our country, declared a dictatorship of autocracy, the people do not itch ...

            In Israel, they made it easier, to force a person to be vaccinated, the law, but went the other way, at the discretion of the leaders not to let the unvaccinated to work or to bring a negative covid test every two days (it is expensive and still not go to work) because at our work 100% have taken root, both with my wife and at other enterprises
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 May 2021 12: 58
              +3
              Quote: igor67
              they made us easier in Israel, you can't force a person to be vaccinated, the law, but went the other way, at the discretion of the leaders not to let the unvaccinated to work or to bring a negative covid test every two days (it is expensive and still not go to work) because 100% of us have taken root at work, both with my wife and at other enterprises

              Good move!
              Only welcome ...
              1. igor67
                igor67 4 May 2021 13: 08
                +3
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Quote: igor67
                they made us easier in Israel, you can't force a person to be vaccinated, the law, but went the other way, at the discretion of the leaders not to let the unvaccinated to work or to bring a negative covid test every two days (it is expensive and still not go to work) because 100% of us have taken root at work, both with my wife and at other enterprises

                Good move!
                Only welcome ...

                And young people even easier want to visit McDonald's bars and other crap ... show an electronic green passport, my children were vaccinated before us, it all depends on the desire of the government,
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 May 2021 20: 40
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        The hysteria about the alleged failure of the full test cycle of Sputnik V was not in vain.

        Ilyich, and Ginzburg lied, saying that the third stage of testing would be completed only in May? wink
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 7 May 2021 21: 54
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Ilyich, and Ginzburg lied, saying that the third stage of testing would be completed only in May?

          Igor,
          Did Ginzburg say that there is no need to vaccinate? Or was it necessary to wait for the "Lancet" to officially confirm the effectiveness of the vaccine?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 May 2021 07: 05
            0
            Ilyich, let's be objective. There are tests, and their stages are accepted throughout the world.
            There is also a ratio of risks from the disease and from the vaccine. Covid is not plague or typhoid or even measles. And the lancet has absolutely nothing to do with it.
            And the vaccine is really dumb. Created, tested and approved for mass vaccination in a year and a half. Moreover, without a full check and with changes in the test reports.
            1. would
              would 8 May 2021 08: 53
              0
              And the vaccine is really dumb. Created, tested and approved for mass vaccination in a year and a half


              For the first time publicly about the development of an adenoviral vector, the Research Institute of Gamaleya announced back in 2009. Thus, Sputnik V is at least 12 years old, not a year and a half.

              https://ria.ru/20090727/178822850.html
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 8 May 2021 13: 33
                0
                Quote: rait
                back in 2009 year.

                AND? Does this allow you to skip the third stage of the test? Does it allow for changes to the test report after it has been published?
                PS Tsiolkovsky announced the development of space flights at the beginning of the century, and Belka and Strelka flew several decades later. wink
                1. would
                  would 8 May 2021 13: 46
                  0
                  PS Tsiolkovsky announced the development of space flights at the beginning of the century, and Belka and Strelka flew several decades later. wink


                  What I'm actually talking about. But there will definitely be clever people who will say that Belka and Strelka were launched into space in just a year of research and this is impossible, which means they were not launched into space.

                  AND? Does this allow you to skip the third stage of the test? Does it allow for changes to the test report after it has been published?


                  Not this, but the emergency of the situation. Here she allows. And the third stage has not been missed, but the preliminary results are still underway and are known. No one doubts that it will be successful.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 4 May 2021 09: 23
    +2
    But Rafali bought 70 million more expensive than Egypt.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 4 May 2021 09: 32
    -2
    Is vaccination going poorly in developed countries? It is necessary to scare, show the horrors of India, Brazil, create a panic, turn off the brains, so that everyone would queue up in supermarkets for a vaccine.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 4 May 2021 09: 45
    -1
    I don't care about India. It is much more important not to let their vile strain into Russia. But for this you need to expel all the Indians from the country and really close the border, especially the southern one. But this goes against the plans for migrants, so it won't.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 4 May 2021 13: 22
      +2
      Regarding migrants, I agree. Every day I see. Virus? The problem is exaggeration. Who? Those who have money from her. wink
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 4 May 2021 16: 02
      0
      Quote: Basarev
      I don't care about India. It is much more important not to let their vile strain go to Russia.

      An enchanting statement, will you build a wall?))
  • VLR
    VLR 4 May 2021 09: 48
    +4
    In my opinion, everything is confused. Many times I had to read that new viruses and bacteria in the process of evolution are trying to reduce their lethality, and not increase it. Excessively "evil" pathogens simply die along with the organisms they kill. Mutations in the direction of increasing lethality are exactly as a defensive response to overly aggressive treatment.
    Secondly, we now live in two realities. In the one that is imposed on us by the Internet and TV, we are on the verge of an apocalypse. And in the one outside our window - nothing special happens. At least in my memory there were several really terrible flu epidemics. At school, for example, somewhere in the 70s I remember that out of 30 classmates, 8-10 people came to lessons. When I studied at the institute in the 80s, I remember there was another: people fell ill with whole families, entrances, workshops, streets were empty.
    And now - the situation, as in this picture:

    1. Phil77
      Phil77 4 May 2021 13: 12
      +3
      Bravo!!!! The commentary as well as your articles is great! I also remember the flu of the 70s. Thank God and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union that then there was no Internet and this panic created by those who have from this * loot *.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 4 May 2021 13: 16
      0
      And in fact, the problem of this * pseudovirus * is beneficial to Mrs. Popova and those who have a share.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 May 2021 10: 14
    +8
    In a country with a population of one and a half billion, 1,36% of people fell ill with highly virulent acute respiratory infections! Horrible! We all die!! Moreover, there are virus mutations in India !!
    Here's a pancake ... Let's leave the author's wet tail, shaking with horror, alone. Less than one and a half percent of the population fell ill. Not impressive, you know. Mutations are coming. Here is the darkness! In fact, the mutation of the virus, despite the frenzied propaganda, is ... good. It's just wonderful! Those strains survive that DO NOT KILL THE SICK. This is a natural way of mutation. Well, etc.
    Why are they scared? Sales of masks are falling, and some have just bought a few factories? Or are there more serious reasons? Where else does the virus allow you to milk the money?
    Guys ... can you go back to your usual budget stealing, huh? Combining your outrageous robbery with hysteria is somehow too much, don't you think? Reminds of the story of the prohibition of mate. People with hands up to the elbows apart from competitors, rowing from the budget with these hands and paddling with their feet, forbid me to express myself. On guard of morality. Do not go too far, and so patience is at its limit.
  • VLR
    VLR 4 May 2021 10: 26
    +2
    Quote: Mikhail3
    In a country with a population of one and a half billion, 1,36% of people fell ill with highly virulent acute respiratory infections!

    Yes, I read that according to the definitions of the same WHO, the epidemic level is 5% of the total population who are ill at a time. And also that this level (5%) has not been reached in any country in the world (!)
  • adena
    adena 4 May 2021 12: 35
    +1
    What is happening in India amazes / surprises those who look at the situation from Russia, but when looking from Riga, it does not surprise and does not amaze from the word at all. For in Riga everything is the same as in India, only scaled to its Lilliputian size (we are sick with families, there is no medical assistance, vaccination is at a vanishingly minimal level).
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 13: 23
      +2
      For in Riga everything is the same as in India
      Parking lots have been cleared for crematoria and trees are being cut for firewood in the city? wassat
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 4 May 2021 13: 43
        +1
        Sarcasm, buddy? Ay, bravo! wink In Moscow, the regime is the same, they are trying to bend us, but we ... we do not want this. laughing
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 4 May 2021 13: 44
          +1
          I’m just wondering when people from this madhouse will go out into the street?!?!
          Both you and us.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 13: 55
            +1
            Everything will be as usual with us in two weeks. But it will not be possible to travel abroad everywhere.
        2. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 13: 54
          +1
          Not only, a doctor friend in Riga, says everything is a bunch of them in comparison with England, but in England everything is under control.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 4 May 2021 13: 56
            +1
            Yes, and in our country, well, it does not rise above the threshold. And the people do not actively go for vaccinations. Is it free? From this power? Servant obedient. No!
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 14: 02
              +1
              Here they get vaccinated without any problems. No panic. Is free.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 4 May 2021 14: 25
                0
                Question: By yourself?
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 14: 30
                  0
                  Until the turn came. When they call out, sms and a letter, I will go and put myself too.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 4 May 2021 14: 48
                    0
                    Purquapa ????
                    1. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 14: 53
                      +1
                      Why not? In England, there is no mass extinction from vaccination, and there is no desire to get sick either. I haven’t been abroad for more than a year and a half, but without vaccination they will not be allowed.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 May 2021 14: 55
                        +1
                        Lex, my favorite answer is everyone, everyone chooses their own path!
                      2. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 14: 58
                        0
                        I am quite calm about the vaccine of a domestic manufacturer. The wife, again, is quite alive. Father-in-law with mother-in-law (from Pfizer) also did not grunted - they were completely alive.
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 May 2021 15: 02
                        +2
                        May God grant you all good health! But. I don’t want. Is it? Yes! I guess I am somewhat like your Irishmen.
                      4. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 15: 04
                        0
                        May God grant you all health!
                        Thank you. You too.
                        I don’t want to. Is it? Yes!
                        If you don't want to, don't. I'm not particularly eager, but I won't be able to go somewhere without a vaccine. So it is necessary.
                      5. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 May 2021 15: 13
                        0
                        In general, the Irish f! Adore!
                    2. Viktor Sergeev
                      Viktor Sergeev 4 May 2021 15: 43
                      +1
                      Black Humor: Did Your Hope for Pfizer Fail?
                    3. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 4 May 2021 15: 47
                      0
                      No, it's okay yes - they live abroad and do not use airplanes on principle.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 4 May 2021 15: 09
            0
            Sash I love to chat with foreign countries in PM.
  • adena
    adena 4 May 2021 16: 55
    +1
    "in Riga, he says everything in a bunch" ...... Exactly!?!? Aren't you lying, my friend? In Riga, I only got up on my feet for a week after the crown. The whole family was ill. Thank God, we have managed without pneumonia, because of the complications of the Wife "earworms" and I have an allergy (quinca). More than one medicine was not prescribed (which means there will be no discounts), the diagnosis of the complication occurs by TELEPHONE, on CT scans for June-July, from help: Wife's paid sick leave for 14 days. At the moment, I have 3 families out of my acquaintances who are ill, 2 of these families have pneumonia, NOBODY has been hospitalized (No Places in the hospital ...... EVEN THERE ARE NO PLACES IN THE REGION, there are no places in Riga since November 2020) ....... but I agree, funeral fires do not burn, as they are burying more and more in the ground ....... you know about the tradition of burial .... or not, you need to burn corpses in parking lots, that's when Exact tin.
  • Lew
    Lew 4 May 2021 13: 24
    +1
    you need to protect yourself. and India is a large country with developed pharmaceuticals. If they want, they will put things in order. You don't need to just go to them with another help .... you need to treat your own and vaccinate.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 4 May 2021 15: 42
      0
      What are they developed, pharmaceuticals? Indian medicines are considered the worst, the vaccines they do are rather a parody, hundreds of millions of beggars, they will put many things in order. Although after a couple of million Indians die, everyone will get sick, there will be order.
  • Usher
    Usher 4 May 2021 13: 47
    0
    The skyrocketing incidence we are seeing is staggering

    what's overwhelming? Complete unsanitary conditions! Everywhere there is dirt, no hygiene, my friends and relatives who went there as pilgrims (Buddhists) were shocked by everything they saw. What else to expect, although I thought that everything would start earlier for them. Southeast Asia has not yet flared up, and what is going on in Africa is generally tough.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 May 2021 14: 10
      +1
      The level of sanitation in India is higher in Muslim quarters and in general among local Muslims and Christians. The Hindus are doing much worse.
  • Pavel 117711
    Pavel 117711 4 May 2021 13: 58
    0
    "Among other things, 75 domestic ventilators, 150 bedside monitors and 20 oxygen concentrators flew to India." At least gathered in the flock? But what about without a leader? It's sad to read, it's Russian, great and mighty ...
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 4 May 2021 16: 13
      +2
      Yes, the Russian language is great and powerful, and often it is not only a literary language, but the language of ordinary people. Is the meaning clear? To an ordinary person, not those who decided to take off, there is no need to explain how the equipment took off, by what plane and flight. And now, a connoisseur of Russian, great and mighty, tell me how sad you can read? Reading is the process of picking up characters aimed at understanding the text, it is never sad. Sadness is a feeling that comes after reading.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 4 May 2021 15: 07
    0
    At the beginning of May, only 154 million Indians received coronavirus vaccinations, which is only 11,5%.
    Only? This is more than the population of Russia.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 4 May 2021 15: 40
    0
    More than a billion people die mostly old ones. The question is: how will the death of several hundred thousand or even a couple of million people affect the situation in an overpopulated country, in which 100 million are unemployed and poor? This is if you throw out unnecessary snot and screams, and talk about the situation in the country.
    More harm is done by anti-covid activities. I don’t understand one thing, if it’s so bad in India, why did they send the vaccine to Ukraine? For an experiment on the most underdeveloped part of humanity?
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 4 May 2021 15: 51
    0
    The author did not write about one important point. Many Indians do not want to be vaccinated, however, there are enough of them everywhere, even on the VO website.))
    1. NF68
      NF68 4 May 2021 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Tank Hard
      The author did not write about one important point. Many Indians do not want to be vaccinated, however, there are enough of them everywhere, even on the VO website.))


      Due to the humid climate and high temperature, their mortality has always been high even without Sovid 19 ..
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 4 May 2021 21: 17
        0
        Quote: NF68
        Due to the humid climate and high temperature, their mortality has always been high even without Sovid 19 ..

        So what? Does this serve as an excuse for anything?
        1. NF68
          NF68 5 May 2021 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: NF68
          Due to the humid climate and high temperature, their mortality has always been high even without Sovid 19 ..

          So what? Does this serve as an excuse for anything?


          This is a significant factor aggravating the situation.
  • Mister who
    Mister who 4 May 2021 15: 53
    -2
    An interesting virus, according to medical parameters it can be considered very dangerous when compared with other dangerous viruses (anthrax, etc.) on a scale from 0 to 10 ?? 100 billion people will die within 6,5 years! From old age
  • NF68
    NF68 4 May 2021 16: 14
    0
    In the fall / spring, a sharp increase in colds is common. For those weakened by any disease or simply old age, the common cold is very dangerous. And the inflammation of the lung is even worse. It was not bad to compare the number of deaths from colds and pneumonia in the years before the pandemic and in 2019/2020. It seems to me that just this data is currently classified information.
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 4 May 2021 16: 21
    -1
    vaccination rates in India are now seriously lagging behind. At the beginning of May, only 154 million Indians received coronavirus vaccinations, which is only 11,5%

    Whose cow would moan?
    I was not too lazy to go in and see the vaccination statistics for May 4 in Russia:
    It was inoculated with two components 7,7 ml. people or 5%
    It was inoculated with one component 20,1 ml. people 13%
    So, in total, only 17% of the population can be considered vaccinated. Is that a lot?
  • tiheros
    tiheros 4 May 2021 16: 31
    -1
    The author, I understand that you are scared, but first, take a calculator and count (if you can, of course). Mortality from covid in India is two times lower than in Russia (Google has all the numbers) this is in the first place. And secondly, much more people die there from elementary diarrhea. Arguments like "but if one of yours gets sick" is cheap chatter. I speak as a person who treats this covid.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 16: 54
      0
      Quote: tiheros
      I speak as a person who treats this covid.

      Burdock and plantain?
      1. tiheros
        tiheros 4 May 2021 17: 09
        0
        Medicines. Plantain and burdock are probably not the worst remedies, but cheap irony is more like a lack of arguments. If you have nothing to say, in fact, it is better to remain silent, you will pass for a clever
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 17: 13
          0
          Quote: tiheros
          If you have nothing to say, in fact, it is better to remain silent, you will pass for a smart one.

          Why be silent? It is not interesting. Who are you by profession? Epidemiologist?
          1. tiheros
            tiheros 4 May 2021 17: 19
            +2
            I am a doctor by profession in Western Europe, practicing. Besides, I am more or less able to count.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 17: 22
              +1
              Quote: tiheros
              I am a doctor by profession in Western Europe, practicing. Besides, I am more or less able to count.

              That is, not an epidemiologist? Then you and the author have approximately the same level of competence.
              1. tiheros
                tiheros 4 May 2021 18: 49
                +2
                I, unlike you, and probably from the author, I studied epidemiology without fail both at the university and in the west in one class, even some papers are available. But even that is not necessary here. Basic math and some critical thinking. I hope you know how to count?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 20: 07
                  -3
                  Quote: tiheros
                  I, unlike you, and probably from the author, I studied epidemiology without fail both at the university and in the west in one class, even some papers are available.

                  You can study anything. I also studied a lot of different sections of physics, chemistry and mathematics. But I do not consider myself an expert in these areas. You do not specialize in epidemiology, so you are not a specialist.
                  Quote: tiheros
                  Basic math and some critical thinking.

                  You can immediately see a superficial person with awesome conceit. There is always the possibility that you are wrong.
                  1. tiheros
                    tiheros 4 May 2021 20: 21
                    +1
                    I almost do not write comments here on the site just because I do not consider myself competent in most of the issues that are discussed here, but the topic of this article is my bread, I must own information since I live by this, people pay me out of their own pockets for my work and my knowledge. Yes, you in any way Kashpirovsky and Globa in one person have already shone through the network and superficiality and self-conceit. Good luck in studying mathematics, physics, chemistry, epidemiology, this helps to open the horizons of thinking.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 20: 25
                      -1
                      Quote: tiheros
                      Good luck in studying mathematics, physics, chemistry, epidemiology, this helps to open the horizons of thinking.

                      Same to you. Although, judging by your aplomb, you have already reached all possible horizons and now you are a brilliant expert on all issues.
                      1. tiheros
                        tiheros 4 May 2021 20: 46
                        +1
                        I’m not talking about all the questions, I’m talking about a specific topic, you don’t need to hang “all the questions” on me, read above. I regard the attempt to become personalized as a lack of arguments.
                        Learn to begin with at least citing facts that are verifiable and only then put pressure on emotions. It will at least look believable. Adio.
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 4 May 2021 20: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: tiheros
                        Learn to begin with at least citing facts that are verifiable and only then put pressure on emotions

                        You ran into the author of an article with murky claims. In the process, it turned out that you are not an expert in the matter and now you are arranging a hysteria demanding some facts. Do you understand that it looks very strange, to put it mildly?
                      3. tiheros
                        tiheros 4 May 2021 21: 06
                        +1
                        I do not have vague, but specific claims, unlike the author, mortality from covid in India is two times lower than in Russia according to official sources, and this despite the fact that India is the most populous country in the world and the number of hospital beds there is 5-6 times lower than in Russia, about sanitary conditions, the number of beggars and homeless people, hungry people who do not have access to quality water
                        and there is nothing to say about food. It turns out I lived for myself the Indians did not grieve in mud and poverty, no one cared about them, and then suddenly everyone was excited.
                      4. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 06: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: tiheros
                        mortality from covid in India is two times lower than in Russia, according to official sources

                        What do you think? And according to what sources?
                        Quote: tiheros
                        India is the most populous country in the world and the number of hospital beds there is 5-6 times lower than in Russia, about sanitary conditions, the number of beggars and homeless people, hungry people who do not have access to quality water
                        and there is nothing to say about food.

                        And at the same time, statistics do not cause any questions for you?
                        Quote: tiheros
                        It turns out I lived for myself the Indians did not grieve in mud and poverty, no one cared about them, and then suddenly everyone was excited.

                        Well, so everyone does not care at all at a bright capitalist present until suddenly the problem begins to concern you directly.
                      5. tiheros
                        tiheros 5 May 2021 11: 16
                        -1
                        Google covid counter will help you and press a little on math, especially on division.
                      6. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 12: 48
                        -1
                        Come on, you won't tell me about mathematics about an epidemiologist. laughing You lied to a trite one.
                      7. tiheros
                        tiheros 5 May 2021 13: 28
                        -1
                        listen dear, if you, living in the modern world, still do not know how to use elementary sources available to all (I am not talking about special ones, judging by the fact that you still do not understand anything, which are also publicly available), then this is not even funny, there is nothing to say about mathematics, the fact that you do not know how to use it is not my problem. there is nothing to say about epidemiology, this is a necessary part of the work of any doctor (from a surgeon to a family doctor), so you don't need to impose your incompetent opinion on people who do this every day, you will look smarter in the eyes of others.
                      8. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 14: 53
                        -1
                        How did you count mortality? Give the calculations. And this is blablabla about what kind of mathematical genius you are and about your ability to use Google, I'm not interested.
                      9. tiheros
                        tiheros 5 May 2021 17: 37
                        0
                        Russia the last 7 days on average 358 deaths per day on average, 8500 new cases per day on average in the last 7 days, total 350: 8500 4,2% mortality, 110000 people died in total for 4800000 cases 110000: 4800000 it turns out 2.3% mortality or there is such a parameter mortality per 1000000 people is 110000: 140 million turns out to be 0.8% mortality per 1000000 people
                        India in the last 7 days 3500 deaths on average for 380000 new cases on average 3500: 380000 0.9% mortality in total 226000 died by 20,7 million infections in total 1.1% mortality that is two times lower than in Russia. The number of deaths per million of the population is 1%, five times lower than in Russia.
                      10. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 17: 59
                        -1
                        Something you have mixed mortality with mortality and in general you even miscalculated mortality. The mortality rate in the Russian Federation is ~ 4,6 times higher. And that is why it is interesting with what such statistics are connected. In general, we have comparable mortality rates with a number of European countries.
                      11. tiheros
                        tiheros 5 May 2021 18: 22
                        -1
                        iazikom ne tak chasto polzyus sinonimi putau no smisl v tom chto v rossi vse pokazateli namnogo vishe chem v "adskoi indii" iu nas tyt tovzhe oni chut li ne v 10 raz vishe chem v indii. i vsio eto obiasnimo no eto uzhe drugaia tema i slishkom dolgo raspisivat. avtoru zhirnij minys.
                      12. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 18: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: tiheros
                        i vsio eto obiasnimo no eto uzhe drugaia tema i slishkom dolgo raspisivat.

                        I would like to hear your version. If it's not hard for you.
                      13. tiheros
                        tiheros 5 May 2021 19: 22
                        0
                        drugoj vozvrastnoi sostav naselenia, bolshe molodioji menshe starikov, u nas kovid eto sindemia (te epidemiya v opredelennoi vozvrastoj gruppe a imenno 60 let i vishe ι sredi ktotorih ochen rasprostraneni metabolicheskie zabolevaniya a imenno gipertonia, diabet, ateroskleroz, ozhirenie malopodvijnij obraz zhizni-eto vsio zabolevania sitih i pozhilih ludej, v indii srednii vozvrast 24-25let, ozhirenia ochen malo). govoryat chto eto sviazanno s nalichiem svobodnih radikalov kotorie nakaplivayutsya s vozvrastom i provoziryut citokinivij shtorm i tromboz pri zabolevanii covid. y nas naprimer srednii vozvrast umershih na god menshe chem sredniay prodolgitelnost zhizni 79 vs80, to est pochti odinakovo. dalee osobennosti pitaniay, vozmozhno cvet koji i nalichie vitD i C. nalichie insolyacii- solnca. no samoe glavnoe eto vozvrast.
                      14. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 6 May 2021 07: 09
                        -1
                        I looked at the age statistics of mortality from coronavirus in different countries, and yes, it is clear that the age composition affects. But in India, as far as I know, it is bad with medicine and problems with the nutrition of a huge mass of the population. It turns out that these factors have practically no effect in the case of coronavirus. Or something is wrong with the statistics.
                      15. tiheros
                        tiheros 6 May 2021 09: 32
                        +2
                        I don't know how they have there, I can only offer plus what the epidemiologists say, who, by the way, back in February said about India that it was full of covid, but due to the age composition of the population there will be no fire, or for example Egypt, 80 million population, 62 people and the day dies, living conditions there are no better than in India. Even if we assume that they underestimate the numbers anyway, if something serious happens, you can't hide it. Or, for example, Belarus or Sweden, there, too, there seem to be no corpses lying on the streets, although there were no such lockdowns as we had. Why exactly now and why in India, I do not know. To have reliable information you have to be in place. The question is more political than medical; by the way, in our provincial hospitals, they treat very well. In our province, for example, no more than 5 people died during the entire time, 2-3 people were intubated, and this is for 70000 people, there were years when only 2-3 people died in my practice from ARVI. Why people die in big cities in big hospitals in our country I can only guess. A lot is attributed in big cities, the treatment protocols in the first months were idiotic, they forbade autopsy under the guise of being dangerous, that is, we have a particularly dangerous disease that will kill millions of people, but we cannot spend some penny to organize a laboratory where an autopsy can be done To see what people die from, what organs are affected and why, in Germany in Hamburg they dared to carry out an autopsy and found that there were thrombosis in the lungs and it was necessary to give anticoagulants, and the WHO did not recommend an autopsy. or high pressure oxygen intubation, people just burst their lungs like balls. But our brave resuscitators gave "gas" on recommendations from Europe. Or, for example, antibodies from the United States, which give a very good result in treatment in the early stages of a risk group, and were approved by the FDA as early as November, were not imported to Europe under any pretext until recently, and much more.
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  • Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 4 May 2021 19: 02
    0
    Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
    I gave you an injection, then a second and live in peace

    Do you know what's in there, in the injection? Just interested.
    1. agond
      agond 4 May 2021 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      Do you know what's in there, in the injection? Just interested.

      Really interesting, the number of variants of the virus is unknown to anyone, in the UK, at the beginning of the year, they announced about 4 thousand, now someone is talking about tens of thousands, that is, there are orders of magnitude more variants of viruses than vaccines were invented, by the way, until 2020, vaccines were developed and tested for 10-15 years watched the long-term consequences.
      1. bk316
        bk316 4 May 2021 21: 34
        -1
        checked for 10-15 years, looked at the long-term consequences.

        By 10, not all - from the flu for 2-4 years.
    2. bk316
      bk316 4 May 2021 21: 33
      +1
      Do you know what's in there, in the injection?

      I - Yes, and you?
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 18: 07
      0
      Quote: Fast_mutant
      Do you know what's in there, in the injection?

      A conspiracy of Masons? Or the wise men of Zion?
  • sustav75
    sustav75 4 May 2021 19: 53
    +4
    Hindus have always been associated with dirt! Bathing with crowds of dirty sorcerers mixed with the dead in the Ganges! This is just a trashy situation! The Chinese are resting there with their bats ...
    1. agond
      agond 4 May 2021 20: 43
      0
      The vaccine does not help much against unsanitary conditions, it became clear when the first smallpox vaccine appeared in India, a law on mass vaccination was passed
  • bk316
    bk316 4 May 2021 21: 36
    0
    Well, my forecast of one and a half years ago has come true.
    India Will come out on top.
    I kept thinking when will it explode?
    With their social and everyday specifics in their health care, their only chance was vaccination.
    Did not have time sad
  • faterdom
    faterdom 4 May 2021 21: 46
    +1
    Quote: Shurik70
    That the virus started in China is not for them to start at home.

    Where he started is unknown to science. In China, there was simply the first official doctor who claimed that this is a new type of coronavirus infection.
    And then, this doctor was greatly misunderstood, to say the least. But, unfortunately, he was right posthumously.
    But the genetic traces of these coronaviruses were found in the United States and in Italy in some moves as early as 19, that is, before the Wuhan outbreak.
    Therefore, of the officials, only Trump called the virus "Chinese", but he, like Zhirinovsky, can do anything.
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 4 May 2021 21: 47
    +1
    Drink herbal remedies for immunity, this will allow you to get over this shit without even noticing. If you have any questions, I will answer in PM.
    We need to take care of ourselves, there are very few of us.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 18: 09
      -1
      Quote: Victor Tsenin
      Drink herbal remedies for immunity

      Is the wine okay?
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 5 May 2021 18: 13
        +1
        Unfortunately not, but something stronger, with the manual addition of red, black and Chili peppers. The main thing is not to eat right after the Shot, but to breathe deeply in the corresponding pairs, all living things in your lungs will become inanimate and harmless.
        I understand your sarcasm, but I answer seriously)
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 18: 21
          -1
          Quote: Victor Tsenin
          I understand your sarcasm, but I answer seriously)

          In general, this may be useful, but the disease can develop in people in too different ways. From asymptomatic to fairly frequent feet first. Therefore, the effect is very doubtful to recommend it as helping everyone. Rather, you just got lucky. Actually, like me.
          1. Victor Tsenin
            Victor Tsenin 5 May 2021 18: 26
            0
            There is no luck in this, there is purposeful work to increase the power of the body. Here you are doing exercises, are you drinking vitamins?
            My parents didn't do it and my grandmother barely got out, and other grandmothers were taken away from her intensive care unit and never brought back. Honestly, I added herbs and turmeric to every transmission for her (against inflammation, etc.). I think it helped an 84 year old woman with 70% lung disease to survive. And after discharge he gave me a drink with a mix of licorice and echinacea, the cough was gone, he was breathing well.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 18: 30
              0
              Quote: Victor Tsenin
              this helped an 84 year old woman with 70% lung disease to survive.

              Ndaaa. Iron woman. I wish her health and many years to come.
      2. Avior
        Avior 6 May 2021 18: 32
        0
        No, only tequila
        smile
  • Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant 4 May 2021 22: 29
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    I - Yes, and you?

    I know. And how it works and how it is done.
    I'll wait bye! )))
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 4 May 2021 23: 00
    +1
    And why immediately a disaster. In a country with a population of about 1,5 billion, 3000 people die per day. In Ukraine, with a population of 30-40 million, about 300 people die every day. And no disaster. Vaccinated only 11% of the population, what a horror! And how many are vaccinated in our country? About 5%, I guess. In Ukraine, very few people are vaccinated. Maybe the fact is that corpses are burned on the streets on bonfires and the picture is very shocking? Maybe that's the point?
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 4 May 2021 23: 18
    +1
    Vaccination rates in India are now seriously lagging behind. At the beginning of May, only 154 million Indians received coronavirus vaccinations, which is only 11,5%.

    Those. backward Indians have already vaccinated the whole of Russia, and in our country 5% of the population is vaccinated.
    1. sen
      sen 5 May 2021 16: 16
      +2
      Novosibirsk and even less - 3,5%. I signed up back in January, I'm still waiting. From time to time I call the clinic - they say that the vaccine comes in too small quantities.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2021 18: 13
      -1
      Quote: Stepan S
      Those. backward Indians have already vaccinated the whole of Russia, and in our country 5% of the population is vaccinated.

      And what are they suddenly retarded? The Hindu code is already in every iron on the planet, India is a nuclear power with its space program.
  • Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 5 May 2021 00: 42
    0
    does anyone know what is the situation in epidemic prisons? In the same place, due to the overcrowding of prisoners, the situation should be outrageous.
    1. VLR
      VLR 5 May 2021 10: 02
      0
      Subject to compliance with standard sanitary and hygienic requirements - testing new entrants, quarantine cells in doubtful cases, isolation in the same cells for any symptoms of SARS and retesting, regular examination of employees, their use of protective equipment when in contact with prisoners, Covid is not in prisons at all must get there. Plus other standard activities: regular wet cleaning with disinfectants, airing, etc.
      Nothing supernatural and impossible.
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 5 May 2021 23: 08
      0
      Whose prisons do you mean? IN USA? If in Russia, then, looking at Navalny, in our prison half of the beds are empty. This is not surprising, the number of convicts has fallen by half in recent years.
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 6 May 2021 20: 49
        0
        Do you have statistics?
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 6 May 2021 21: 17
          0
          Yes, of course, the United States is in first place in the world, and Russia is in 25th place.
          In the United States, there are twice as many prisoners per 100 thousand population. The USA has 639 thousand, and in Russia 330 thousand.
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          2. Azzzwer
            Azzzwer 7 May 2021 09: 34
            +1
            you would still give a link to the stat data, and you would not have a price
  • Lord
    Lord 5 May 2021 01: 31
    0
    But planes are bought in batches
  • Picus
    Picus 5 May 2021 02: 22
    -3
    I read all 195 comments at this point ... As always ... when mentioning this coronavirus ... commentators are divided into three groups: covidiots, who have recovered and who have not been sick, but who are aware of the danger ... Those who have recovered are also divided into two groups: hard -medium-covid and hell-knows-what-but-I'm-sure-that-covid ... As always, with an admixture of flat-earthers, conspiracy theorists and other witnesses of the Grigory Rasputin sect (this is not a joke) ... Although, to the honor of all these alternatively educated people here is somewhat less than usual in Runet ...

    I tweaked a treatise, and his ...
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    2. Picus
      Picus 5 May 2021 02: 26
      -3
      1. Among my circle (offhand - about a hundred people ... Yes, I'm turning into an introvert):
      200 - uncle.
      300 - two aunts.
      300 - friend, with wife, mother and two children.
      200 - a neighbor in the staircase.
      Approximately half of the fifty (current) fellow photographers fell ill, about a dozen - 200. Moreover, it was the most physically trained ZOZhniki landscape painters who died, and the decrepit alcoholic portraiturers suffered the least ... I agree, an unrepresentative sample, but still ...
      200 - the son of a friend, 23 years old ...
      200 - the person who raised the crow that now lives with me ...
    3. Picus
      Picus 5 May 2021 02: 27
      -1
      2. Acquaintances in Bergamo were also eager to go to the confused San Marino ... The guys who settled (+ -) in Barcelona just went to Moscow, and they were so stubborn that they lived in a separate apartment as closed as possible and with their parents only on the embankment from five meters talked ...
    4. Picus
      Picus 5 May 2021 02: 29
      -1
      3. In vain here on doctors from West Europe attacked. He at least went to school for math and studied in the classroom.

      4. To the question "Who are you?" - I answer: and it is for you? Well, let's just say: I have an idea of ​​the processes of interaction of large protein molecules. Sapienti sat.
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    6. Picus
      Picus 5 May 2021 02: 45
      -1
      5. The vaccine, later called "Sputnik", is a quarter of a century old, a dozen years old, has been used quite massively. Moreover, two of the earlier options are anti-coronavirus (MERS and SARS-CoV), so it takes two weeks against SARS-CoV2 ... For the locals, I’ll draw an analogy: the missile has been tested and tested many times, only the warhead changes. Warhead weight - unchanged. Moreover: the launch pad and the target are the same, it is not required to re-calculate it.
      (I wrote it in a much more detailed way, but the cutting off by the site of the entered (oops) discouraged me from re-typing) ...
    7. Picus
      Picus 5 May 2021 02: 55
      0
      6. And finally - about the uselessness of dirty masks dragged in pockets: if a toad strangles the correct use of two-ruble masks and / or thus "deceived the system", then the answer suggests itself ... "Himself - evil Buratino."
  • Blond84
    Blond84 5 May 2021 09: 06
    0
    The deceased: the head of the administration of a rural settlement, an uncle from Novosibirsk, the father of a classmate, uncle of his wife, father-in-law of a classmate. There are two families who have recovered from the wife's side, friends and classmates of 40 percent., My uncle and aunt work at school. There it was a good ride around the settlement, etc. At first, they did not believe themselves that year, but they used masks, gloves and disinfectants, so it did. In the month of March, the parents and their parents got the vaccinations. The parents tolerated the vaccination well, the father had a fever after the second day. After the first day, my wife had a temperature until the evening, and I lay there for two days. The second was not noticeable for both. Let there be at least some kind of protection. Was originally a supporter of vaccinations
    1. agond
      agond 5 May 2021 09: 55
      -1
      I have not found an answer anywhere how they treat patients in whose body there are 18 or more variants of this virus, and they do not write what happens if the vaccine was given to the wrong virus, probably the same as when taking medications for the wrong disease., And in general it is possible whether to believe doctors if they tell us, for example, about the composition of blood, they do not know how an erythrocyte with a diameter of 8 microns is squeezed through a capillary with a lumen of 2 microns (capillaries make up 70% in the human body) though this ignorance does not prevent doctors from developing new vaccines
      1. Picus
        Picus 5 May 2021 11: 26
        -1
        Elderberry in the garden, uncle in Tel Aviv ...
        Physicists also cannot explain a lot of things, but cars move ...

        On the subject: if we imagine that covid is a kind of household appliance (for example, a microwave oven), then the Sputnik aims to neutralize the plug that fits the outlet in the cage. Mutations are different options (with an oven, with a grill, black, silver, with mechanical or electronic control), but ... The fork remains standard ... If the fork changes a lot, the virus will cease to be dangerous)))
        1. Picus
          Picus 5 May 2021 11: 59
          -1
          And yes, this (including) explains the usefulness of vaccination of those who have been ill ... For our immunity remembers the portrait of the virus itself (N-proteins), and the Sputnik helps to remember the S-protein ...
      2. Avior
        Avior 6 May 2021 18: 47
        +1
        The vaccine is not treated, the vaccine reduces the likelihood of catching an infection
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  • sen
    sen 5 May 2021 15: 52
    +1
    The US decided to donate the AstraZeneca vaccine to India, which it did not use because of blood clots.
    Ukraine was outraged: it asked the United States for a vaccine back in 2020, and it is being given to India.
  • riwas
    riwas 5 May 2021 16: 32
    +1
    Now large Indian cities are clouded with the stench of burning the bodies of the dead - funeral fires are made right on the street. Following this, there was a shortage of firewood in the country.

    The ancient Russians adopted the same thing, but the enemies were buried. It was believed that if you burn, then the soul will be free, and if you bury it, the soul will be tied to the grave. But Christianity turned everything upside down.
    1. agond
      agond 5 May 2021 18: 37
      0
      Quote: Picus
      The plug remains standard ... If the plug changes a lot, the virus will cease to be dangerous)))

      If you follow your logic, then such a "universal vaccine" will turn off the plugs in all household appliances, and not just in microwave ovens, that is, it can do more harm than good, substances with such a broad effect are usually referred to as poisons.
      1. Picus
        Picus 5 May 2021 20: 20
        -1
        Well, I've oversimplified, but for a general understanding - enough. Well, do not write a lecture here in serious terms ... Anyway, few people will understand, but who can understand - they already know themselves ...

        But, in short, this type of forks is only found in coronaviruses (SARS-COV, SARS-COV2, MERS). Let's just say: proprietary plugs that plug into this outlet ...
        Immediately I will cut off the thought to "cut off the socket": this is what leads to coronary pneumonia, coronary strokes and coronary heart attacks ...
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 6 May 2021 06: 24
          -1
          Quote: Picus
          Well, don't write a lecture here in serious terms ..

          And you try ..
          Coronavirus consists of 4 structural proteins: S-protein (spike), N-protein, or nucleocapsid protein, M - membrane protein and E - envelope protein. On the surface of the coronavirus, there are protrusions that resemble thorns or a crown, which gave the name to this group of viruses. The protrusions are protein molecules of protein S, with their help the virus enters the cell.

          From the moment the virus enters the body, immunoglobulins, or antibodies, are produced that recognize and bind foreign antigens. IgM antibodies are produced first, they serve as a marker of the early stage of the disease or the acute period. IgG antibodies are gradually produced 2-3 weeks after the onset of the disease and circulate in the bloodstream. After the transferred infection, IgG antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein (N) are formed. Antibodies to the S-protein are formed both after a previous illness and after vaccination.
          The truth does not quite coincide with your smart speeches.
          Quote: Picus
          For our immunity remembers the portrait of the virus itself (N-proteins), and the Sputnik helps to remember the S-protein ...

          But on the other hand, it is very understandable and accessible.
          1. Picus
            Picus 6 May 2021 14: 13
            -1
            Text from the site of some office for taking tests? If so, ask them about the types of covid immunity tests ...
            Try to delve deeper into the topic: how exactly and what exactly the immunity remembers after an illness ... In short and simpler: some (rather random) sequences of "letters" are remembered - a "portrait" (most often) of an N-protein and / or (much less often, which can be neglected) S-protein, to the rest - very rarely. Moreover, each organism remembers the portrait in its own way, one is full-face, the other is a profile, the third is three-quarters, and the fourth will remember the configuration of the bald head ... - not all of the provided palm). The main mutations go in the N-protein, in the s-protein - mutations go (so far, it seems) at the base of the thorn ...
            "The ultimate goal of the chase is not clear ..."
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 6 May 2021 14: 40
              -1
              Quote: Picus
              Text from the site of some office for taking tests?

              And there, unlike you, do charlatans work?
              Quote: mat-vey
              Antibodies to the S-protein are formed as after a previous illness

              And this is a purely quack statement, in contrast to yours - "For our immunity remembers the portrait of the virus itself (N-proteins), and the Sputnik helps to remember the S-protein ..."?
              1. Picus
                Picus 6 May 2021 14: 42
                -1
                Okay, this is the only thing that we dug into, but I already answered this: S-immunity is formed as a result of the disease extremely rarely, it can be statistically neglected.
                The dialogue has already gone far enough to the side.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 6 May 2021 15: 02
                  -1
                  Quote: Picus
                  S-immunity is extremely rare as a result of disease, it can be statistically neglected.

                  maybe your opuses can be neglected? You are so mysterious, with your mysterious statistics ...
                  1. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 15: 08
                    -1
                    No problem.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 6 May 2021 15: 09
                      -1
                      Quote: Picus
                      No problem.

                      Well, it looks like you still have some kind of ... it's not in vain that you tell fairy tales here ..
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                      3. Picus
                        Picus 6 May 2021 15: 14
                        -1
                        I have mastered copy-paste. Continue to develop. Sapienti sat.
                      4. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 6 May 2021 15: 16
                        -1
                        Enough, enough ... a couple of your posts were enough ..
                      5. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 6 May 2021 15: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Picus
                        I have mastered copy-paste.

                        And what, only individual typing with pens is suitable for you?
                      6. Picus
                        Picus 6 May 2021 16: 07
                        -2
                        Well, as you can see, typing text with pens without errors is an impossible task for you ... I agree, it's better for you to copy and paste ...
                      7. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 6 May 2021 16: 20
                        -2
                        Quote: Picus
                        Well, as you can see, typing text with pens without errors is an impossible task for you ...

                        But no lies ...
                        Quote: Picus
                        One - finished, he begins to pass on to the individual, which speaks of surrender ...

                        A hallucination is an image, sounds or other sensations that arise in the mind of a sick person without an external stimulus.
                      8. Picus
                        Picus 6 May 2021 17: 46
                        -2
                        Ok, you know how to flood. Do you have anything to say on the case?
                      9. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 6 May 2021 17: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Picus
                        Ok, you know how to flood. Do you have anything to say on the case?

                        Quote: mat-vey
                        maybe your opuses can be neglected? You are so mysterious, with your mysterious statistics ...
                  2. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 16: 42
                    0
                    Oh ... how touchy we are ... You don't have to surf the Internet with weak nerves ... especially with your own individual statistics ..
                  3. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 18: 00
                    -2
                    You keep on flooding. Do you have anything to write on the case, preferably - without mistakes, unworthy even of the level of primary grades?
                  4. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 18: 05
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    There is something to write on the case, preferably - without errors,

                    Have you tried it yourself without lying?
                    When there is nothing to say about the case, nit-picking about literacy begins.
                  5. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 18: 11
                    -2
                    And what else to do with the gastropod construction buttroll, which leads the conversation in different directions ... either to ornithology ... or to psychiatry ... Just feed it ... in anticipation that it will be devoured and burst ...
                  6. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 18: 13
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    And what else to do with the gastropod Stroybuttroll, which introduces conversation into ornithology or psychiatry? Only to feed ... in anticipation that he will be devoured and burst ...

                    Eck got through it .. And there were no attempts to lie ... And who was there to talk about woodpeckers?
                  7. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 18: 13
                    -2
                    Duc look at my nickname, oak.
                  8. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 18: 15
                    0
                    And who leads the conversation to botany what to do?
                    Quote: Picus
                    So look at my nickname

                    Why should I be interested in any garbage?
                  9. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 18: 19
                    -1
                    Well, come back to the topic, genius.
                  10. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 18: 20
                    -1
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    Quote: Picus
                    Well, don't write a lecture here in serious terms ..

                    And you try ..
                    Coronavirus consists of 4 structural proteins: S-protein (spike), N-protein, or nucleocapsid protein, M - membrane protein and E - envelope protein. On the surface of the coronavirus, there are protrusions that resemble thorns or a crown, which gave the name to this group of viruses. The protrusions are protein molecules of protein S, with their help the virus enters the cell.

                    From the moment the virus enters the body, immunoglobulins, or antibodies, are produced that recognize and bind foreign antigens. IgM antibodies are produced first, they serve as a marker of the early stage of the disease or the acute period. IgG antibodies are gradually produced 2-3 weeks after the onset of the disease and circulate in the bloodstream. After the transferred infection, IgG antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein (N) are formed. Antibodies to the S-protein are formed both after a previous illness and after vaccination.
                    The truth does not quite coincide with your smart speeches.
                    Quote: Picus
                    For our immunity remembers the portrait of the virus itself (N-proteins), and the Sputnik helps to remember the S-protein ...

                    But on the other hand, it is very understandable and accessible.
                  11. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 18: 46
                    -2
                    Well, once again I copied and pasted the same text that is standard for all offices for sampling analysis (which confuses the poorly educated contingent more than explains the very essence), which has already been answered, and what next? Do not be lazy.
                  12. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 18: 49
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    Well, once again, I copied and pasted the same text that was already answered, standard for all desks for taking analyzes, and what next? Do not be lazy.

                    Will there be anything other than flooding? Only without exclusive statistics?
                  13. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 19: 03
                    -1
                    Read above, already answered.
                    You can look at the statistics on specialized sites, at least on the Lancet, at least at the Central Committee of the United States of America ... It is not at all exclusive, here you put bubbles in the water ... Everything has been studied for a long time: what areas, what proteins, with what frequency ...
                  14. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 19: 06
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    Read above, already answered.

                    Quote: mat-vey
                    One - finished, he begins to pass on to the individual, which speaks of surrender ...

                    Read it?
                  15. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 19: 07
                    -1
                    If it delivers maso satisfaction - re-read it at night, three times.
                  16. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 19: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    If it delivers maso satisfaction - re-read it at night, three times.

                    Is this your common practice and do you share it?
                  17. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 19: 12
                    -2
                    This is unnecessary for me, and for you instead of the usual haloperidol ...
                  18. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 6 May 2021 19: 27
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    This is unnecessary for me, and for you instead of the usual haloperidol ...

                    Yes, calm down already ... well, they lied, well, you are not the first to flood, you are not the last .. this is the Internet with everyone ..
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                  20. Picus
                    Picus 6 May 2021 21: 41
                    -3
                    Well, you're stubborn ... And where did I "lie"?
                    I'm getting more and more interesting ... What if the construction battalion will teach me what (besides copy-paste, even a first-grader can do it) in my work?
                    Proof only. Without the third insertion of SEO text from the website of a commercial office for the collection of analyzes, written by a copywriter-homeworker ...
                    Nnnnnu?
                  21. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 7 May 2021 05: 08
                    -1
                    Quote: Picus
                    Proof only. Without the third insertion of SEO text from the website of a commercial office for the collection of analyzes, written by a copywriter-homeworker ...

                    Quote: Picus
                    If it delivers maso satisfaction - re-read it at night, three times.

                    Quote: Picus
                    You can look at the statistics on specialized sites, at least on the Lancet, at least at the Central Committee of the United States of America ... It is not at all exclusive, here you put bubbles in the water ... Everything has been studied for a long time: what areas, what proteins, with what frequency ...

                    Quote: Picus
                    Well, as you can see, typing text with pens without errors is an impossible task for you ... I agree, it's better for you to copy and paste ...

                    Well, you can immediately see the true face of the Internet troll ... or else S-bodies, sockets ...
                    Quote: Picus
                    Proof only.

                    Quote: mat-vey
                    No problem.

                    Well, it looks like you still have some kind of ... it's not in vain that you tell fairy tales here ..

                    So where are the proofs? Which are no problems? You don't need to translate the arrows ... even though it's a troll without this standard move ...
                  22. Picus
                    Picus 7 May 2021 14: 03
                    -2
                    Oh-oh-oh, how inflated you are ... Soon the gastropod trollo will burst)))
                  23. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 7 May 2021 14: 20
                    -2
                    Quote: Picus
                    Oh-oh-oh, how inflated you are ... Soon the gastropod trollo will burst)))

                    Someone cormorant about the flood?
                  24. Picus
                    Picus 7 May 2021 14: 55
                    -2
                    So you have already flooded the branch with your feces with repeated citations of the same thing, interspersed with an illiterate gag ... I'm waiting for the construction battalion-trololo to burst in the topic about the interaction of large protein molecules ... For this is not a break with a sledgehammer. ..

                    And about trololo techniques - shuffling quotes with new meanings - just from this arsenal ...
                  25. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 7 May 2021 15: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Picus
                    So you have already flooded the branch with your feces with repeated citations of the same

                    Well, if it doesn't get it the first time, then you have to repeat it in the hope that at least someday it will reach you ..
                    And yet, yes, a specialist - most vaccines remember the S-protein precisely because they are sharpened only for this - to respond to the corona of the virus, and not to the entire virus completely ...
                    So where are your statistics on the difference between S-proteins of immunity during vaccination and vaccination?
                  26. Picus
                    Picus 7 May 2021 19: 05
                    0
                    Did you understand what you wrote?
                    The entire base of proofs is on a working computer, I will return from the countryside from the holidays, if I don’t forget, I’ll throw it here.
                    This ends the srach.
                  27. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 8 May 2021 03: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Picus
                    Did you understand what you wrote?

                    And what is there to understand ... how the vaccine works is described in any medical Internet journal ... You can read it ... Success in the difficult business of the Internet troll ..
  • Earnest
    Earnest 5 May 2021 21: 01
    +2
    Quote: garri-lin
    This is subjective. I was ill in March 20. Transferred easily. In addition to temperature, the only symptoms were loss of taste and smell. And the most offensive thing is that the sense of smell has not been restored until now. Tobish smells that I oshushu but worse. And sometimes it happens that I perceive the wrong smells. The food smells like something indigestible. So far I’ve learned that it’s a problem with the sense of smell a couple of times ran over my wife. Several times I was looking for burnt wires at home that were not there. It's a shitty disease. With consequences. And those consequences are not yet fully understood. We will still grab trouble.

    Exactly the same symptoms were with me and my wife, but to this there was a strong ache in the muscles. My wife's taste and sense of smell quickly and completely recovered, but I have been suffering since October. I mix up the smells, I don't smell some. And from friends ... In December 20th, a friend's spouse died, at the age of 40. No "concealment of the diagnosis", it is clearly and unambiguously stated that the cause of death is covid
  • vlad106
    vlad106 6 May 2021 17: 53
    +1
    we must immediately close the borders with similar countries.
    Enough to crawl here for carriers of a deadly infection
  • sektant777
    sektant777 7 May 2021 08: 22
    +1
    Quote: Pessimist22
    It turns out that news from India is an informational outburst and either it does not happen there or is dying from another disease?

    In India, people have always been burned, this is their tradition.