U.S. approves sale of six P-8I Poseidon base patrol aircraft to India

In the near future, the Indian Navy will be replenished with six more base patrol aircraft Boeing P-8I Poseidon (Indian name - Neptune). The sale of aircraft has already been approved by the US State Department.

The planned delivery of six aircraft will take place through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program of intergovernmental foreign military sales. The total cost of the delivery will amount to $ 2,42 billion. Armament is not included in the delivery.

Currently, the Indian Navy already has nine P-8I base patrol aircraft, eight of which were received between 2012 and 2015. All of them are part of the 312th Squadron of the Indian Marine aviation... Another is in service with the 315th Naval Aviation Squadron of the Navy, it is the first of four P-8I aircraft ordered in 2016 for delivery by the end of 2022.

In June 2019, the Indian Ministry of Defense approved the acquisition of ten more US base P-8I Neptune patrol aircraft for the Indian Navy, but their number was subsequently reduced to six.

Since the aircraft are being delivered unarmed, last year the Indian Navy asked the United States to sell ten Boeing AGM-84L Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles and 16 Raytheon Mk 54 LWT 324 mm anti-submarine torpedoes (+ 5 practical training torpedoes).

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[marchcat]

They buy formidable weapons, and in the conflict with China they fought with sticks and nails.

[xorek]

Quote: marchcat

They buy formidable weapons, and in the conflict with China they fought with sticks and nails.

Exactly .. and these airplanes simply won't take off, in case of a serious conflict
There was a conflict with Pakistan, they drove packs on the old Mig, and they were on the F-16 ..
Eh Hindus, who always comes to your aid? Russians .. and you still do not understand Who are your real friends ..

[sabakina]

Quote: xorek

Eh Hindus, who always comes to your aid? Russians .. and you still do not understand Who are your real friends ..

Vitalia, have you completely forgotten Russian fairy tales?

[xorek]

Quote: sabakina

Vitalia, have you completely forgotten Russian fairy tales?

Video is not available, but Russian fairy tales are in my blood and Krylov's fables too .. Let's say about Ukraine !!!

[PVV66]

Do not do good, you will not get evil. To the hell we helped someone, and then all the good things were forgotten ... Bulgaria, the republics of the former USSR, Romania ... Fuck these brothers.

[paco.soto]

Exactly .. and these airplanes simply won't take off, in case of a serious conflict
There was a conflict with Pakistan, they drove packs on the old Mig, and they were on the F-16 ..
Eh Hindus, who always comes to your aid? Russians .. and you still do not understand Who are your real friends ..
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[Artemion3]

All to the point, and buy from potential enemies

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: marchcat

They buy formidable weapons, and in the conflict with China they fought with sticks and nails.

Do you really want them to be vigorous bonbs?
They, apparently, are not very much, therefore they do not seek to exacerbate beyond what is necessary.
But they do not forget to keep the "armored train on the siding".
It is a pity that they do not buy from us, because we do not have anything even close, not only for sale, but even for ourselves, which is completely sad.

[Grandfather]

ours would also do well. (we don't have enough of our own)

[Omskgasmyas]

Yes. Our naval aviation has long been asking for updates both quantitatively and qualitatively. And helicopters too.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

They buy formidable weapons, and in the conflict with China they fought with sticks and nails.

And what, India had to bring the border conflict to a full-scale war?

These planes are necessary, we, too, would not interfere with these.

In anti-submarine aviation we are lagging far behind in all respects.

[Niko]

If Russia can still try to compete in the sale of weapons for India in the air defense system, then there is no chance

[military_cat]

It is very likely that the C400 topic was also discussed during the conclusion of this contract. And India hardly wants to find itself in the situation of Turkey, when the contract is concluded, the money is transferred, and the supply of aircraft is blocked.

[Niko]

It is quite possible. The complex of "goods" and services provided by the states in most cases far exceeds what Russia can offer (albeit cheaper). Moreover, otherwise there are also sanctions as a side effect

[Kushka]

There are 7 pieces on the photo. Seventh
is this a bonus?

[marchcat]

More attentively, there are 8 of them.

[Kushka]

Yes, I missed (from the table only).
Sorry.

[svp67]

Quote: Kushka

There are 7 pieces on the photo. Seventh
is this a bonus?

Actually, in India there are already NINE of them, one was probably in flight ... And there are our Tu-142s in the background, behind the logging site, apparently they are already preparing for decommissioning

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: svp67

And there are our Tu-142 in the background, behind the logging site, apparently they are already preparing for cancellation

On March 29, 2017, at the Indian Navy INS Rajali airfield at the Arokkonam airfield (Tamil Nadu state in southern India), the official decommissioning of the 312th Albatross Squadron of the Indian Navy of the eight Soviet long-range anti-submarine Tu-142ME aircraft, operated by the squadron since 1988, was held ... So there is firewood behind the logging site.
India entered into an agreement with the Soviet side on the acquisition of eight long-range anti-submarine Tu-142ME aircraft in December 1984. In accordance with the agreement, all Tu-142M aircraft were delivered to India from the presence of the USSR Navy aviation in 142 after modernization according to the export version of the Tu-1988ME,

[Sergey39]

India persistently goes under the vassalage of the United States, thereby deleting itself from the list of the leading countries of the multipolar world.

[Shahno]

Quote: Sergey39

India persistently goes under the vassalage of the United States, thereby deleting itself from the list of the leading countries of the multipolar world.

I didn't understand your "very interesting move".
Can be more
Ps. First of all, what is this mysterious multipolar world. And who are these leading countries ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Are they "squeezing out" our "oldies" Il - 38? Everything is according to the laws of the market. We could not offer a modern replacement.

[Osipov9391]

And what can be offered to India for exporting the code for its MA of the Navy, such machines do not even exist on paper and not even in metal?
In Russia, there is no serial production of a platform on which a modern anti-submarine aircraft could be created. Only Tu-214. But it is not mass-produced. And there is no equipment, no hardware saturation, there is not even a high-quality training for such aircraft.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

The Yankers sold their trash to the Indians.

[NF68]

All the same, the USA achieved their goal and India is more and more bending under them.

[AC130 Gunship]

Times change. Tu142 and Il38 are of the same age as P3s. Orions and Bears honestly cut off theirs. Russia, even for itself, has not invented anything newer over the past 30 years in this area. All are alterations and modifications of cars produced in the 70s. Because they fly relatively infrequently, then maybe there is some kind of glider resource left.
But other countries already want to buy something an order of magnitude newer.

[Osipov9391]

These are very advanced anti-submarine aircraft. Therefore, the Indians chose them once Russia could not offer anything - moreover, even for its own MA of the Navy, such machines are not designed since there is no base in mass production. The only hopeful is the Tu-204/214. But it is not serially built, 1-2 pieces a year is nothing!
And we need dozens of modern anti-submarine aircraft! But they won't.
Il-38 and Tu-142 are already at the limit of their capabilities. They have not been produced for a long time. The equipment is hopelessly outdated. No means of defense.
By the way, India was the only country where Soviet anti-submarine aircraft were exported.
But now they have nothing to offer. And we still need to develop equipment for a new anti-submarine aircraft, which in modern conditions Russia is almost impossible to do.

[Elena Akinfieva]

Personal opinion. One day, all electronics will suddenly fail. And then there will be questions: Who did it ?!

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Why would she refuse? Nobody needs anti-advertising for their technique. In Iran, American planes with native electronics are still flying, although the Americans tried to disable it.

[Zaurbek]

The state of the art is different .... it will not fail, but its potential will be severely limited. There data exchange and satellites .... and buoys

[Sergey Sfiedu]

The Indians and the Yankees have no military contradictions, on the contrary, they are strategic allies, so they should hardly be afraid of such "Easter eggs".

[Zaurbek]

With the Turks, too, it was not, they are even in NATO.

[Zaurbek]

Monopolists .... for some reason the Japanese with their analogue are not very successful.

[Anzhey V.]

Good, Zaurbek!

The Kawasaki P-1 is more expensive than the Poseidon. In addition, the situation with the supply of military equipment from Japan is not yet clear - there was talk that Tokyo would lift restrictions on the sale of military products, but ...

Plus, India already has experience in operating Poseidons, and, in addition, this is also a political step - strengthening ties with the United States, which is especially important against the backdrop of the growing Chinese threat.

Unfortunately for Russia, these ties will only grow stronger with our gradual loss of the Indian arms market ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Anjay V.

Unfortunately for Russia, these ties will only grow stronger with our gradual loss of the Indian arms market.

The market is not being lost because of the strengthening of ties between the United States and India, but because we have nothing to offer. Our weapons and equipment are qualitatively inferior to competitors. France, the USA, Israel, South Korea come out on top, we have nothing to oppose them.
India pays in real money and is free to choose the best.

[Anzhey V.]

The market is not being lost because of the strengthening of ties between the United States and India, but because we have nothing to offer.

I agree with you, although this could partly become a solvable problem - if we had full military-political cooperation with India, we could attract their "real" money and maintain competition with the listed countries. Again, we could also satisfy the national request of Delhi in the form of "licensed production in India".

But this requires real political will and active activity, not populism, propaganda and imitation.

[Liam]

Quote: Anjay V.

But this requires real political will and vigorous activity, not populism, propaganda and imitation.

We also need scientific, technical and industrial potential of the appropriate level.

[Anzhey V.]

We also need scientific, technical and industrial potential of the appropriate level.

I agree with you, Liam - but, with all due respect, he was not so bad with us 15 years ago, when it was necessary to deal with the same India.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Hindus give money, in return what does Russia give? What can France, the USA, Israel, South Korea give for the same money? Why would Indians partner with a weak partner?

All that was advanced we gave them already, everything is over. There is practically nothing else in the military sphere. Space may not even be a fact. Nuclear power.

This is not the 90-00s when there was a backlog from the USSR, then they just needed money to bring it to the series and replace some of the components with Western ones. We need fundamentally new developments. This requires fundamental science, strong design bureaus, engineers. Russia practically does not have this. There are islands left, for example Almaz-Antey. And then in direct contests, the win is no longer ensured, the story of the Armor is a vivid example.

[Liam]

Quote: Anjay V.

years 15 ago

2005 year? It was definitely lower than it is now. Then there was an increase based on an explosion in the price of a barrel and massive purchases of Western technologies, which ended in 2014 with the collapse of the barrel and large-scale sanctions for Crimea. Since then, reverse degradation and, as a result, the failure of almost all military programs and projects .This is about industry and technology.
Science is getting worse. The chronic lag since Soviet times has never stopped. You can't buy brains for money, here the reasons are fundamental and lie on a different plane - political, social, etc.

[Zaurbek]

We have nothing to offer in this industry ..... no carrier nor filling.

[Anzhey V.]

We have nothing to offer in this industry ..... no carrier nor filling

Alas, it is.

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, the carriers of both Airbus and B737 cannot be sold without agreement with the United States.

[kig]

It would be better to approve the delivery of the vaccine by six planes