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Combat fighters Su-30SM will be upgraded to the level of Su-30SM2

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The Russian Su-30SM multipurpose combat fighters will be upgraded to the level of the Su-30SM2; the decision to carry out work has already been made in the Ministry of Defense.


The Su-30SM will be brought up to the level of the Su-30SM2, a decision in principle has already been made. How many fighters will be upgraded is still unknown; the military department is still considering this issue, they report "News" citing a source in the Ministry of Defense. So far, it is known for sure that the modernization should be completed by 2027, and both the Su-30SM from the Aerospace Forces and from the marine aviation Russian Navy.

The modernized Su-30SM2 fighter is maximally unified with the Su-35 fighter. In the course of modernization, combat fighters will receive the AL-41F-1S engine and the Irbis radar, the avionics, electronics will be improved, and the arsenal of weapons will be expanded.

Thus, to the 21 new-built Su-30SM2 fighters, the contract for which was signed last year, an as yet undefined number of modernized Su-30SM2s will be added. According to open data, today the Aerospace Forces and the Navy have about 130 Su-30SM fighters, which have been supplied since 2013. The aircraft is the most numerous in the Russian military aviation.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 2 May 2021 13: 05
    +19
    130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay
    So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 May 2021 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

      For aviation, the training of flight personnel is more important.
      Today I watched reviews and videos on the Su-35 and Su-57. The features and capabilities were impressive. I would like an acting pilot to give his assessment at VO.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 2 May 2021 13: 13
        +1
        Performance is a good thing. Just let, for example, Germany had a squadron of "Eurofighter" in 1944, the Reichstag would have stood a little longer.
        Quantity matters too smile
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 2 May 2021 14: 15
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

        For aviation, the training of flight personnel is more important.
        Today I watched reviews and videos on the Su-35 and Su-57. The features and capabilities were impressive. I would like an acting pilot to give his assessment at VO.

        Recently I watched the series "Wings of Russia" from the studio of the same name. I understood one thing. Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all! Even the SU-34, which is said to be a type of development of the Russian Federation, by and large began to be developed in the early 80s, incorporating the best of the SU-17, MiG-27, SU-27. Regarding the SU-57, you can only be assessed by a test pilot, because apart from statements about a series of bullshitters in the army, he is not and most likely will not be, he is only at the Institute. Gromova.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 2 May 2021 14: 19
          +5
          Quote: lis-ik
          I understood one thing. Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all!

          I also thought so, until I became interested in the development of new technologies for obtaining materials with new characteristics. It seems that the electronics have also undergone changes.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 2 May 2021 14: 23
            .
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: lis-ik
            I understood one thing. Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all!

            I also thought so, until I became interested in the development of new technologies for obtaining materials with new characteristics. It seems that the electronics have also undergone changes.

            Maybe, but the statements about new types of equipment, in particular front-line aviation, simply do not correspond to reality. In terms of electronic warfare, yes, a breakthrough is possible, which cannot be explained. After all, it is in the part of radio electronics that we have traditionally always lagged behind.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 2 May 2021 15: 50
              -6
              Quote: lis-ik
              In terms of electronic warfare, yes, a breakthrough is possible, which cannot be explained. After all, it is in the part of radio electronics that we have traditionally always lagged behind

              All these breakthroughs were in the early tenths, when imported electronics were used with might and main.
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 2 May 2021 19: 16
              +4
              After all, it is in the part of radio electronics that we have traditionally always lagged behind

              Not true either. In digital electronics - yes, they really lagged behind.
            3. standan
              standan 2 May 2021 21: 51
              +6
              In the part of radio electronics, we never lagged behind, and in some places we were ahead, but in the part of the element base - yes. The domestic element base did not stand up to criticism, except for military acceptance, but the nomenclature of radio elements was hopelessly outdated, except for lamp technology, here "we are ahead of the rest of the world" :)
            4. xASPIDx
              xASPIDx 4 May 2021 02: 43
              0
              And then the oppa and the tank jumped out of the bushes, so it was not expected that you yourself admitted that in the systems of rab and rap they were 20-30 years behind
        2. jaroff
          jaroff 2 May 2021 15: 47
          +3
          In LII them. MM Gromov Su-57 is not, was not and most likely will not be. It is not necessary to confuse the work with the LII airfield, while the LII is still in Zhukovsky, and the LII that is being tested at the LII enterprise.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 2 May 2021 15: 51
            -9
            Quote: zharyoff
            In LII them. MM Gromov Su-57 is not, was not and most likely will not be. It is not necessary to confuse the work with the LII airfield, while the LII is still in Zhukovsky, and the LII that is being tested at the LII enterprise.

            The meaning of the message does not change from this!
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 2 May 2021 18: 35
              +5
              All your lies from the first to the last word never change. request
            2. max702
              max702 4 May 2021 10: 49
              0
              Quote: lis-ik
              The meaning of the message does not change from this!

              That's right! For as the great guru and teacher says ..
        3. sustav75
          sustav75 2 May 2021 15: 51
          .
          Right now, the uryakaly will draw a rainbow picture in one fell swoop! They already have MiGi-35 (MiG-29) flying through the airspace in full! And that this plane was developed exclusively in Russia and not in the backward USSR! And that we have hundreds of hundreds of drones in our ranks! And the Turks with the Jews from only one kind of "hunter" piss in their pants! In short urya! Hooray! Urya ...
        4. alexmach
          alexmach 2 May 2021 19: 15
          +10
          Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all!

          I mean, they did nothing at all. The Su-35 is quite a Russian aircraft. Yes, on base 27 of course, but he has more differences with him than in common.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 May 2021 14: 27
        0
        https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/236399-su-27-otvety-lyotchikov/
      4. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 2 May 2021 16: 14
        -1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        For aviation, the training of flight personnel is more important.

        Not at all...
        If you fly on wood, then no preparation can correct the lag in technology.
        Here, unfortunately, everything is unambiguous and without options.
        Moreover, in preparation, we are not ahead of the rest of the planet, it’s stupid there is so much money to fly, fly, fly ...
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 May 2021 13: 11
      +6
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

      Fighters, interceptors, front-line bombers: 1021 units


      It is in the videoconferencing:



      Indeed, the Su-30 is the most massive fighter in our Aerospace Forces.
      1. figwam
        figwam 2 May 2021 14: 01
        +9
        Upgraded to Su-30SM2 is being tested in Zhukovsky.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 May 2021 14: 29
        +2
        Moreover, the world's most exported and mass-produced heavy fighter
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 May 2021 13: 12
      0
      Numerous.
    4. Hog
      Hog 2 May 2021 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: stock buildbat
      130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay
      So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

      Yes, perhaps the most massive Su-30SM, then, like the Su-34, there are approximately 120 of them (most likely even more), there are fewer other modifications (but here we are talking about SM, not M2 or SM2).
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 2 May 2021 14: 28
        -6
        Quote: Hog
        further like the Su-34, about 120 of them

        But he is more of a strike than a fighter. The closest counterparts for the adversaries are the F-15 and the Tornado. Rather, it was conceived in the USSR as an aircraft of the battlefield, instead of fighter-bombers, and a bit of an attack aircraft.
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 May 2021 13: 31
      0
      There are about 800 fighters in total.
      Of these, about 250 are modern (Su-30, Su-35, MiG-35, Su-57)
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 2 May 2021 13: 58
        +1
        You can also include 120 Su-34s, they go like fighter-bombers.
        1. CastroRuiz
          CastroRuiz 2 May 2021 14: 55
          -6
          Not. SU-34 is a bomber.
          1. standan
            standan 2 May 2021 21: 57
            0
            Su-34 (product "T-10V", NATO codification: Fullback - "Defender") - Soviet / Russian multifunctional supersonic fighter- a bomber designed to deliver air strikes against enemy ground targets in the operational and tactical depth in conditions of strong countermeasures by enemy air defenses and the use of modern electronic warfare equipment, hitting enemy air targets day and night in simple and difficult meteorological conditions.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 2 May 2021 14: 23
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There are about 800 fighters in total.

        And it is possible and so:
        The military aviation of Russia has more than 1800 aircraft, including more than 800 fighters Su-27, Su-30SM, Su-33, Su-35S, MiG-29, MiG-31 and their modifications, about 200 front-line bombers Su-34, Su-24M and their modifications, over 200 Su-25 attack aircraft, about 150 Yak-130 training aircraft and others, about 70 Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers and over 40 Tu-22M3 long-range bombers.
        In addition, the Aerospace Forces has about 400 military transport aircraft and Il-78 tanker aircraft, as well as more than 20 A-50 and A-50U long-range radar aircraft systems.
        The helicopter fleet numbers about 1500 attack, multipurpose and transport and landing helicopters Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-35, Mi-26, Mi-28N, Ka-52.

        https://aviation21.ru/sostav-boevogo-aviaparka-vks-rossii-na-2020-god/
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 2 May 2021 19: 33
          0
          800 fighter

          Where does so much come from?
    6. mister-red
      mister-red 2 May 2021 14: 29
      +1
      [/ quote] [quote = Reserve Stroybat] 130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay
      So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

      For the 2020th 1800 units - more than 800 fighters, 200 attack aircraft and bombers, 150 training, 110 long-range bombers and strategists, 400 transport aircraft.
    7. sustav75
      sustav75 2 May 2021 15: 42
      .
      Enough for parades in all major cities of Russia! And more is not needed for the current rulers ...
    8. svp67
      svp67 2 May 2021 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

      The military aviation of Russia has more than 1800 aircraft, including more than 800 fighters Su-27, Su-30SM, Su-33, Su-35S, MiG-29, MiG-31 and their modifications,
      MiG-29/35 in service -251, ordered -3 + 31 *
      MiG-31 __________ -132
      Su-27/30/35 ______ - 429 ________- 12 + 42 *
      Su-57 ___________ -1 _________- 75
      about 200 front-line bombers Su-34, Su-24M and their modifications, over 200 attack aircraft Su-25, about 150 training aircraft Yak-130 and others, about 70 strategic bombers Tu-95 and Tu-160 and more than 40 long-range bombers Tu-22M3.

      In addition, the Aerospace Forces has about 400 military transport aircraft and Il-78 tanker aircraft, as well as more than 20 A-50 and A-50U long-range radar aircraft systems.
    9. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 May 2021 18: 18
      +2
      Quote: stock buildbat
      130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay
      So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

      eh wan ... wink
    10. alexmach
      alexmach 2 May 2021 18: 33
      0
      130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay

      If in general from combat aviation, then the Su-25 should probably be more massive. And if of the fighters, yes - the most massive.

      How many? well, count. up to a hundred Su-35, 50 pieces each Su-27 and Mig-29, which will soon also be retired + 2 naval regiments on the Su-33 and Mig-29k, well, that's all. What surprised you so much?
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 2 May 2021 19: 22
        0
        Yes, there are a lot of different types of fighters in service. And the total number is small.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 2 May 2021 19: 43
          +1
          Not great at all, it's true. But pay attention - the most massive aircraft has already been produced in the Russian Federation and did not inherit from the USSR, and finally they were going to modernize it to a completely modern state.
  2. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn 2 May 2021 13: 06
    0
    This means that we will not have the Su-35 in Chkalovsk. It's a pity, I would like to see ... recourse
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 May 2021 13: 23
    +6
    130pcs Su30SM and about 100 Su35S ....... little, little. Considering that the old Mig29 and Su27 and Mig31 are also being decommissioned ...
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 2 May 2021 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Mig31 are also decommissioned ...

      MiG-31 is not taken out of service.
      They said about the Su-27 that they would be brought up to modification of the CM3. Now I have double-checked, the contract has been fulfilled. But those that have done are fresh. They will also serve.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 May 2021 14: 18
        +1
        I'm not talking about all Mig31 ... but the old ones are displayed and they are not produced ?!
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 2 May 2021 18: 38
          -1
          There is a reserve in conservation. Uncover as needed.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 May 2021 19: 03
            +1
            60pcs. ..Little
  4. iouris
    iouris 2 May 2021 14: 20
    -2
    "Combat fighter" - what is the Russian language?
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      Eugene-Eugene 2 May 2021 16: 47
      +2
      This means vehicles from deployed squadrons, not from storage, reserve or new construction.
  5. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 2 May 2021 14: 57
    -5
    Lacking radar AFAR.
    1. D16
      D16 2 May 2021 16: 01
      0
      You or the videoconferencing?
  6. Evil 55
    Evil 55 2 May 2021 15: 03
    .
    4 regiments and already modernization? Stupidity, not a competent decision ... and 130 pilots still need to be retrained ..
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 2 May 2021 15: 46
      -1
      Quote: Angry 55
      and already modernization?

      Of course, nonsense, because the modernization should have been done 10 years ago, and not sculpt this ancient junk.
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 May 2021 15: 42
    0
    But I don’t understand why they did it in general.
    The Su35 has been in the series for 13 years, and all this time, for some reason, the Su30SM was made with obviously outdated equipment.
    What prevented you from immediately installing new avionics and radars on new aircraft?
    Now all this old stuff must be thrown away and still put in a new one.
    Although, if in truth, then it is already not new at all, it would be time to replace it with something newer. For example AFAR,
    but this is fantastic. We can't do it. ):
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 May 2021 16: 01
      0
      Apparently they could not produce the required number of components. And so at least something. 250 fighters against Ukraine, Central Asian countries or Turkey will be enough. Against Japan is possible. Clearly not against China and NATO.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 2 May 2021 16: 09
        -7
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Against Japan is possible

        Aren't our Su30SMs with wooden radars rather weak against the Japanese?
        Targets in the Japanese dash?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 2 May 2021 18: 53
          +3
          Bend over. Irbis is a good radar, due to the power it takes out, according to this parameter it is number 1 in the world. In group tactics, this can compensate for the overall lag. Work from the depths of Russia, numerical superiority, air defense assistance will make it possible to oppose the Japanese Air Force on an equal footing. But the strengthening of their fleet and an increase in the number of F-35s violates this parity, if the pace remains in ten years they will qualitatively exceed our Air Force (our fleet has already been deleted from the level one), this may create a temptation to resolve the Kuril issue by force.

          Japanese Air Force:
          FTR 201: 156 F-15J Eagle; 45 F-15DJ Eagle
          FGA 134: 64 F-2A; 27 F-2B; 26 F-4E Phantom II (F-4EJ); 17 F-35A Lightning II
          EW 3: 1 Kawasaki EC-1; 2 YS-11EA
          ELINT 1 RC-2
          ISR 4 YS-11EB
          AEW & C 21:13 E-2C Hawkeye; 4 E-2D Hawkeye; 4 E-767
          1. Andrey Matveyev
            Andrey Matveyev 4 May 2021 12: 38
            +1
            it turns out that only one Japan has aircraft already half of the total number of the Russian Federation
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 2 May 2021 18: 40
        +2
        Kindergarten. The Russian Federation has a defensive strategy, and layered air defense should be taken into account in an integrated manner, together with aviation.
    2. D16
      D16 2 May 2021 16: 12
      +1
      But I don’t understand why they did it in general.

      Because he suited everyone in terms of price-quality ratio. Because it was necessary to load the plant and subcontractors.
      In addition, it is two-seater, which makes it more versatile.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 2 May 2021 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: D16
        Because he suited everyone in terms of price-quality ratio

        I doubt it.
        Quote: D16
        Because it was necessary to load the plant and subcontractors.

        And here I willingly believe.
        1. D16
          D16 2 May 2021 17: 26
          +3
          I doubt it.

          In vain. By today's standards, this is a very cheap and efficient aircraft in its class. And later it will become cooler than the Su-35. Especially if an analogue of a Sycamore in a container is attached to it. Regarding the PFAR, I can quote the words of the current pilot of the Su-35:
          "Naturally, AFAR is better than PFAR, but I'll tell you so, but at the moment the 35th sees so far and captures without problems any target from the bayraktar / traitor / ripper / heron and other non-high-speed trifles to globalhocks and y2 which are with a very large excess relative to planes are hanging. Not to mention all the f15-f35, typhoons and other euroweiters. The sight even saw missiles from MLRS, the resolution and sensitivity are enough for it today. "(c) https://forums.eagle.ru/topic / 236399-su-27-otvety-lyotchikov / page / 3 /
          Something like that. smile
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 May 2021 18: 23
      -1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      But I don’t understand why they did it in general.
      The Su35 has been in the series for 13 years, and all this time, for some reason, the Su30SM was made with obviously outdated equipment.

      this applies to everything ... to the "armature", to the "su 57" ... to the ships that are already obsolete ... think, the worker is retiring, and his ship is still being built ... 7-10 years. ..
  8. mark2
    mark2 2 May 2021 16: 26
    -1
    Stroybat reserve (Ivan)


    130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay
    So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?


    Enough. quite enough.
    Don't listen to anyone. Only a limited number of personalities in our country know the true position and composition of forces. Local commentators are not one of them. All they know is Wikipedia, which is written by all sorts of freaks, and social networks, the content of which is filled by the same experts and the same freaks. Those. these are rumors, myths and conjectures, which are aggravated by the imposition of new rumors, myths and conjectures on top of them. And the information that received the maximum repost and likes is taken as the truth.
    True, if it appears it goes unnoticed. People don't want to listen to the truth, they want to believe.
    With the universal availability of any information and education, the 21st century society is moving into the Middle Ages with a smartphone in its hands.
  9. Charik
    Charik 2 May 2021 23: 15
    0
    and the arsenal of weapons was expanded. I wonder what it could carry and what will be added when upgrading.
  10. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 4 May 2021 06: 43
    0
    The radar will remain the same, it will be upgraded to Bars-R, only the engines will be changed to AL-41-1s
  11. Andrey Matveyev
    Andrey Matveyev 4 May 2021 12: 28
    0
    I personally believe that in our country, write-offs with the word modernization can be safely checked for crime and kickbacks, and to my deepest regret, you simply cannot be mistaken
  12. Diverter
    Diverter 6 May 2021 17: 36
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    My deep couch opinion:
    Navy: Su - 30 is the only fighter aircraft complex in the Navy. (the second is deck Migi). The rest of the aircraft types must be transferred to the Aerospace Forces.
    VKS: In each squadron in service with the Su 27 / Su 35, a pair of Su 30 should be added to the staff as a commander / instructor.
    based on this, the number of Su 30 in the army should be.