Combat fighters Su-30SM will be upgraded to the level of Su-30SM2

The Russian Su-30SM multipurpose combat fighters will be upgraded to the level of the Su-30SM2; the decision to carry out work has already been made in the Ministry of Defense.

The Su-30SM will be brought up to the level of the Su-30SM2, a decision in principle has already been made. How many fighters will be upgraded is still unknown; the military department is still considering this issue, they report "News" citing a source in the Ministry of Defense. So far, it is known for sure that the modernization should be completed by 2027, and both the Su-30SM from the Aerospace Forces and from the marine aviation Russian Navy.

The modernized Su-30SM2 fighter is maximally unified with the Su-35 fighter. In the course of modernization, combat fighters will receive the AL-41F-1S engine and the Irbis radar, the avionics, electronics will be improved, and the arsenal of weapons will be expanded.

Thus, to the 21 new-built Su-30SM2 fighters, the contract for which was signed last year, an as yet undefined number of modernized Su-30SM2s will be added. According to open data, today the Aerospace Forces and the Navy have about 130 Su-30SM fighters, which have been supplied since 2013. The aircraft is the most numerous in the Russian military aviation.

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[Reserve buildbat]

130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation?
So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Stroibat stock

So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

For aviation, the training of flight personnel is more important.
Today I watched reviews and videos on the Su-35 and Su-57. The features and capabilities were impressive. I would like an acting pilot to give his assessment at VO.

[Reserve buildbat]

Performance is a good thing. Just let, for example, Germany had a squadron of "Eurofighter" in 1944, the Reichstag would have stood a little longer.
Quantity matters too

[lis-ik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: Stroibat stock

So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

For aviation, the training of flight personnel is more important.
Today I watched reviews and videos on the Su-35 and Su-57. The features and capabilities were impressive. I would like an acting pilot to give his assessment at VO.

Recently I watched the series "Wings of Russia" from the studio of the same name. I understood one thing. Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all! Even the SU-34, which is said to be a type of development of the Russian Federation, by and large began to be developed in the early 80s, incorporating the best of the SU-17, MiG-27, SU-27. Regarding the SU-57, you can only be assessed by a test pilot, because apart from statements about a series of bullshitters in the army, he is not and most likely will not be, he is only at the Institute. Gromova.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: lis-ik

I understood one thing. Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all!

I also thought so, until I became interested in the development of new technologies for obtaining materials with new characteristics. It seems that the electronics have also undergone changes.

[lis-ik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: lis-ik

I understood one thing. Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all!

I also thought so, until I became interested in the development of new technologies for obtaining materials with new characteristics. It seems that the electronics have also undergone changes.

Maybe, but the statements about new types of equipment, in particular front-line aviation, simply do not correspond to reality. In terms of electronic warfare, yes, a breakthrough is possible, which cannot be explained. After all, it is in the part of radio electronics that we have traditionally always lagged behind.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: lis-ik

In terms of electronic warfare, yes, a breakthrough is possible, which cannot be explained. After all, it is in the part of radio electronics that we have traditionally always lagged behind

All these breakthroughs were in the early tenths, when imported electronics were used with might and main.

[alexmach]

After all, it is in the part of radio electronics that we have traditionally always lagged behind

Not true either. In digital electronics - yes, they really lagged behind.

[standan]

In the part of radio electronics, we never lagged behind, and in some places we were ahead, but in the part of the element base - yes. The domestic element base did not stand up to criticism, except for military acceptance, but the nomenclature of radio elements was hopelessly outdated, except for lamp technology, here "we are ahead of the rest of the world" :)

[xASPIDx]

And then the oppa and the tank jumped out of the bushes, so it was not expected that you yourself admitted that in the systems of rab and rap they were 20-30 years behind

[jaroff]

In LII them. MM Gromov Su-57 is not, was not and most likely will not be. It is not necessary to confuse the work with the LII airfield, while the LII is still in Zhukovsky, and the LII that is being tested at the LII enterprise.

[lis-ik]

Quote: zharyoff

In LII them. MM Gromov Su-57 is not, was not and most likely will not be. It is not necessary to confuse the work with the LII airfield, while the LII is still in Zhukovsky, and the LII that is being tested at the LII enterprise.

The meaning of the message does not change from this!

[El Chuvachino]

All your lies from the first to the last word never change.

[max702]

Quote: lis-ik

The meaning of the message does not change from this!

That's right! For as the great guru and teacher says ..

[sustav75]

Right now, the uryakaly will draw a rainbow picture in one fell swoop! They already have MiGi-35 (MiG-29) flying through the airspace in full! And that this plane was developed exclusively in Russia and not in the backward USSR! And that we have hundreds of hundreds of drones in our ranks! And the Turks with the Jews from only one kind of "hunter" piss in their pants! In short urya! Hooray! Urya ...

[alexmach]

Nothing new in the Russian Federation has been done from the word at all!

I mean, they did nothing at all. The Su-35 is quite a Russian aircraft. Yes, on base 27 of course, but he has more differences with him than in common.

[Zaurbek]

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/236399-su-27-otvety-lyotchikov/

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: ROSS 42

For aviation, the training of flight personnel is more important.

Not at all...
If you fly on wood, then no preparation can correct the lag in technology.
Here, unfortunately, everything is unambiguous and without options.
Moreover, in preparation, we are not ahead of the rest of the planet, it’s stupid there is so much money to fly, fly, fly ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Stroibat stock

So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

Fighters, interceptors, front-line bombers: 1021 units

It is in the videoconferencing:

Indeed, the Su-30 is the most massive fighter in our Aerospace Forces.

[figwam]

Upgraded to Su-30SM2 is being tested in Zhukovsky.

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, the world's most exported and mass-produced heavy fighter

[carstorm 11]

Numerous.

[Hog]

Quote: stock buildbat

130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation?
So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

Yes, perhaps the most massive Su-30SM, then, like the Su-34, there are approximately 120 of them (most likely even more), there are fewer other modifications (but here we are talking about SM, not M2 or SM2).

[lis-ik]

Quote: Hog

further like the Su-34, about 120 of them

But he is more of a strike than a fighter. The closest counterparts for the adversaries are the F-15 and the Tornado. Rather, it was conceived in the USSR as an aircraft of the battlefield, instead of fighter-bombers, and a bit of an attack aircraft.

[voyaka uh]

There are about 800 fighters in total.
Of these, about 250 are modern (Su-30, Su-35, MiG-35, Su-57)

[Lt. Air Force stock]

You can also include 120 Su-34s, they go like fighter-bombers.

[Castro Ruiz]

Not. SU-34 is a bomber.

[standan]

Su-34 (product "T-10V", NATO codification: Fullback - "Defender") - Soviet / Russian multifunctional supersonic fighter- a bomber designed to deliver air strikes against enemy ground targets in the operational and tactical depth in conditions of strong countermeasures by enemy air defenses and the use of modern electronic warfare equipment, hitting enemy air targets day and night in simple and difficult meteorological conditions.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are about 800 fighters in total.

And it is possible and so:

The military aviation of Russia has more than 1800 aircraft, including more than 800 fighters Su-27, Su-30SM, Su-33, Su-35S, MiG-29, MiG-31 and their modifications, about 200 front-line bombers Su-34, Su-24M and their modifications, over 200 Su-25 attack aircraft, about 150 Yak-130 training aircraft and others, about 70 Tu-95 and Tu-160 strategic bombers and over 40 Tu-22M3 long-range bombers.
In addition, the Aerospace Forces has about 400 military transport aircraft and Il-78 tanker aircraft, as well as more than 20 A-50 and A-50U long-range radar aircraft systems.
The helicopter fleet numbers about 1500 attack, multipurpose and transport and landing helicopters Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-35, Mi-26, Mi-28N, Ka-52.

https://aviation21.ru/sostav-boevogo-aviaparka-vks-rossii-na-2020-god/

[alexmach]

800 fighter

Where does so much come from?

[mister-red]

[/ quote] [quote = Reserve Stroybat] 130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation?
So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

For the 2020th 1800 units - more than 800 fighters, 200 attack aircraft and bombers, 150 training, 110 long-range bombers and strategists, 400 transport aircraft.

[sustav75]

Enough for parades in all major cities of Russia! And more is not needed for the current rulers ...

[svp67]

Quote: Stroibat stock

So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

The military aviation of Russia has more than 1800 aircraft, including more than 800 fighters Su-27, Su-30SM, Su-33, Su-35S, MiG-29, MiG-31 and their modifications,
MiG-29/35 in service -251, ordered -3 + 31 *
MiG-31 __________ -132
Su-27/30/35 ______ - 429 ________- 12 + 42 *
Su-57 ___________ -1 _________- 75
about 200 front-line bombers Su-34, Su-24M and their modifications, over 200 attack aircraft Su-25, about 150 training aircraft Yak-130 and others, about 70 strategic bombers Tu-95 and Tu-160 and more than 40 long-range bombers Tu-22M3.

In addition, the Aerospace Forces has about 400 military transport aircraft and Il-78 tanker aircraft, as well as more than 20 A-50 and A-50U long-range radar aircraft systems.

[Grandfather]

Quote: stock buildbat

130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation?
So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

eh wan ...

[alexmach]

130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay

If in general from combat aviation, then the Su-25 should probably be more massive. And if of the fighters, yes - the most massive.

How many? well, count. up to a hundred Su-35, 50 pieces each Su-27 and Mig-29, which will soon also be retired + 2 naval regiments on the Su-33 and Mig-29k, well, that's all. What surprised you so much?

[Reserve buildbat]

Yes, there are a lot of different types of fighters in service. And the total number is small.

[alexmach]

Not great at all, it's true. But pay attention - the most massive aircraft has already been produced in the Russian Federation and did not inherit from the USSR, and finally they were going to modernize it to a completely modern state.

[LiSiCyn]

This means that we will not have the Su-35 in Chkalovsk. It's a pity, I would like to see ...

[Zaurbek]

130pcs Su30SM and about 100 Su35S ....... little, little. Considering that the old Mig29 and Su27 and Mig31 are also being decommissioned ...

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Zaurbek

Mig31 are also decommissioned ...

MiG-31 is not taken out of service.
They said about the Su-27 that they would be brought up to modification of the CM3. Now I have double-checked, the contract has been fulfilled. But those that have done are fresh. They will also serve.

[Zaurbek]

I'm not talking about all Mig31 ... but the old ones are displayed and they are not produced ?!

[El Chuvachino]

There is a reserve in conservation. Uncover as needed.

[Zaurbek]

60pcs. ..Little

[iouris]

"Combat fighter" - what is the Russian language?

[Eugene-Eugene]

This means vehicles from deployed squadrons, not from storage, reserve or new construction.

[Castro Ruiz]

Lacking radar AFAR.

[D16]

You or the videoconferencing?

[Evil 55]

4 regiments and already modernization? Stupidity, not a competent decision ... and 130 pilots still need to be retrained ..

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Angry 55

and already modernization?

Of course, nonsense, because the modernization should have been done 10 years ago, and not sculpt this ancient junk.

[Jacket in stock]

But I don’t understand why they did it in general.
The Su35 has been in the series for 13 years, and all this time, for some reason, the Su30SM was made with obviously outdated equipment.
What prevented you from immediately installing new avionics and radars on new aircraft?
Now all this old stuff must be thrown away and still put in a new one.
Although, if in truth, then it is already not new at all, it would be time to replace it with something newer. For example AFAR,
but this is fantastic. We can't do it. ):

[OgnennyiKotik]

Apparently they could not produce the required number of components. And so at least something. 250 fighters against Ukraine, Central Asian countries or Turkey will be enough. Against Japan is possible. Clearly not against China and NATO.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Against Japan is possible

Aren't our Su30SMs with wooden radars rather weak against the Japanese?
Targets in the Japanese dash?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Bend over. Irbis is a good radar, due to the power it takes out, according to this parameter it is number 1 in the world. In group tactics, this can compensate for the overall lag. Work from the depths of Russia, numerical superiority, air defense assistance will make it possible to oppose the Japanese Air Force on an equal footing. But the strengthening of their fleet and an increase in the number of F-35s violates this parity, if the pace remains in ten years they will qualitatively exceed our Air Force (our fleet has already been deleted from the level one), this may create a temptation to resolve the Kuril issue by force.

Japanese Air Force:
FTR 201: 156 F-15J Eagles; 45 F-15DJ Eagle
FGA 134: 64 F-2A; 27 F-2Bs; 26 F-4E Phantom II (F-4EJ); 17 F-35A Lightning II
EW 3: 1 Kawasaki EC-1; 2 YS-11EA
ELINT 1 RC-2
ISR4YS-11EB
AEW & C 21:13 E-2C Hawkeye; 4 E-2D Hawkeye; 4 E-767

[Andrey Matveyev]

it turns out that only one Japan has aircraft already half of the total number of the Russian Federation

[El Chuvachino]

Kindergarten. The Russian Federation has a defensive strategy, and layered air defense should be taken into account in an integrated manner, together with aviation.

[D16]

But I don’t understand why they did it in general.

Because he suited everyone in terms of price-quality ratio. Because it was necessary to load the plant and subcontractors.
In addition, it is two-seater, which makes it more versatile.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: D16

Because he suited everyone in terms of price-quality ratio

I doubt it.

Quote: D16

Because it was necessary to load the plant and subcontractors.

And here I willingly believe.

[D16]

I doubt it.

In vain. By today's standards, this is a very cheap and efficient aircraft in its class. And later it will become cooler than the Su-35. Especially if an analogue of a Sycamore in a container is attached to it. Regarding the PFAR, I can quote the words of the current pilot of the Su-35:
"Naturally, AFAR is better than PFAR, but I'll tell you so, but at the moment the 35th sees so far and captures without problems any target from the bayraktar / traitor / ripper / heron and other non-high-speed trifles to globalhocks and y2 which are with a very large excess relative to planes are hanging. Not to mention all the f15-f35, typhoons and other euroweiters. The sight even saw missiles from MLRS, the resolution and sensitivity are enough for it today. "(c) https://forums.eagle.ru/topic / 236399-su-27-otvety-lyotchikov / page / 3 /
Something like that.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Jacket in stock

But I don’t understand why they did it in general.
The Su35 has been in the series for 13 years, and all this time, for some reason, the Su30SM was made with obviously outdated equipment.

this applies to everything ... to the "armature", to the "su 57" ... to the ships that are already obsolete ... think, the worker is retiring, and his ship is still being built ... 7-10 years. ..

[mark2]

Stroybat reserve (Ivan)

130 fighters - the most massive aircraft in combat aviation? belay
So how many planes do we have in combat aviation in general?

Enough. quite enough.
Don't listen to anyone. Only a limited number of personalities in our country know the true position and composition of forces. Local commentators are not one of them. All they know is Wikipedia, which is written by all sorts of freaks, and social networks, the content of which is filled by the same experts and the same freaks. Those. these are rumors, myths and conjectures, which are aggravated by the imposition of new rumors, myths and conjectures on top of them. And the information that received the maximum repost and likes is taken as the truth.
True, if it appears it goes unnoticed. People don't want to listen to the truth, they want to believe.
With the universal availability of any information and education, the 21st century society is moving into the Middle Ages with a smartphone in its hands.

[Charik]

and the arsenal of weapons was expanded. I wonder what it could carry and what will be added when upgrading.

[FRoman1984]

The radar will remain the same, it will be upgraded to Bars-R, only the engines will be changed to AL-41-1s

[Andrey Matveyev]

I personally believe that in our country, write-offs with the word modernization can be safely checked for crime and kickbacks, and to my deepest regret, you simply cannot be mistaken

[Diverter]

My deep couch opinion:
Navy: Su - 30 is the only fighter aircraft complex in the Navy. (the second is deck Migi). The rest of the aircraft types must be transferred to the Aerospace Forces.
VKS: In each squadron in service with the Su 27 / Su 35, a pair of Su 30 should be added to the staff as a commander / instructor.
based on this, the number of Su 30 in the army should be.