Shelling continues: Kyrgyz border guards accused Tajiks of pulling military equipment to the border

The situation on the border of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan in the area of ​​the water intake in the Batken region remains tense, the danger of a resumption of a full-scale military conflict remains.

The parties continue to accuse each other of escalating the conflict. According to the Kyrgyz border guards, today, on May 1, the Tajik military fired at the border settlement of Arka. The border guards took up combat positions and declared their readiness to repel the attack of Tajik soldiers. The movement of military equipment of the Tajik army to the site of the collision is announced.

Dushanbe denies all charges. According to the Tajik side, Kyrgyz militias have arrived in the Leilek district of the Batken region.

Until tensions on the border escalated into more fighting, the presidents of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Emomali Rahmon and Sodyr Japarov, held talks by telephone and agreed to withdraw troops to permanent positions. The head of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev acts as a mediator in the negotiations.

Meanwhile, according to experts, the border conflict between the Kyrgyz and Tajiks over water resources will not be exhausted as a result of the negotiations, it will only be possible to stifle the active phase, and even then for some time. This conflict lasts for decades, and at any moment it can develop into full-fledged military operations between the two countries, members of the CSTO, by the way, in which Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan can also intervene.

It should be reminded that the conflict on the Tajik-Kyrgyz border flared up on the evening of April 28 in the upper reaches of the Isfara River at the site of the Golovnaya water distribution point. First, local residents began throwing stones at each other, then the military joined them, after which the conflict escalated into a military clash.

The Tajik side does not report any losses; in Kyrgyzstan, 33 dead and 163 wounded were announced.

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[NIKN]

The parties continue to accuse each other of escalating the conflict.

How would you agree at the presidential level who is fueling the escalation? It would not occur to ordinary people to think, suddenly take it and rush to fight

[No name B]

Will come and how. In Ukraine and beyond the borders between vegetable gardens, neighbors kill each other. But here the water cannot be divided between the villages.

[Uncle lee]

33 dead and 163 injured.

Quote: No name B

neighbors kill each other

Some very bloodthirsty neighbors!

[alavrin]

The cost of human life. The world mass media hardly ever write about it. I can imagine if so many people were killed at once in Europe or in the USA. They would have been writing about this for a month. And everywhere. Well, I'm generally silent about the African wars. Thousands of those killed there are of no interest to anyone at all.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: alavrin

The cost of human life. The world mass media hardly ever write about it. I can imagine if so many people were killed at once in Europe or in the USA. They would have been writing about this for a month. And everywhere. Well, I'm generally silent about the African wars. Thousands of those killed there are of no interest to anyone at all.

There, genocides with millions of victims cause concern among the UN Dormoed. Rwanda, Dafur - no one cares.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Uncle Lee

33 dead and 163 injured.

Quote: No name B

neighbors kill each other

Some very bloodthirsty neighbors!

... Don't talk! these neighbors are very bloodthirsty. That would be for Mr. Putin to summon both leaders of the well-entih barbarian non-states and scold them, showing as an example the idyllic harmony that exists between the fraternal, Slavic states for the past 7 years.

[Murmur 55]

Why shouldn't the "almighty" Mr. Biden, who heads the "world policeman" do it ??? As the Western media write, Putin is no longer the same, but Biden is a force, so let him show that for them (the USA) there is no other's grief.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Murmur 55

Why shouldn't the "almighty" Mr. Biden, who heads the "world policeman" do it ??? As the Western media write, Putin is no longer the same, but Biden is a force, so let him show that for them (the USA) there is no other's grief.

... And who is Biden to me, USA? Brother? Matchmaker? I have not lived in the same Union with the United States for 70 years. The US is here from what side? Do the Sshin people rule in Moscow? Since Messrs Putin and Lavrov decided to be at enmity with the West, then what are they expecting from there? Evangelism? Or maybe Putin still takes the Tbilisi Armenian Kalantaryan-Lavrov by the throat and finally ask for whom he actually works! To Russia? Or all the same to Armenia ?! And I will give a gift to Simonyan and Kurginyan and the billionaire Vardanyan, Mirzoyan, Geosayanyan, Sobakyan, Pishchikyan ... etc. Do not forget those thousands of "true Russians" like the Bagdasarovs, Chilingarovs and other Ivanyanovs, whose enemies are not the United States at all, but only Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Tatarstan and others, who want to be friends, allies of Russia, who are alien to the mentality and the values ​​of the West. The Armenians in Russia have almost completely taken control of all the media and stubbornly bend their Armenian line, even all their "Russian" comedians like the shout Galstyan, first of all, in front of the Russian audience, scoff at all kinds of Jumshids and Abdullahs, and then they will slightly laugh at the one falling on the ladder old man Biden. And so day and night and for years! And millions of Armenians in their native United States are doing the same with respect to Russians, I can tell you, if this is some kind of secret for Russians. 700 thousand Armenians in their dear France are pouring mud on Russia and at the same time on the United States!

[Murmur 55]

And so Putin decided to be at enmity? The one who definitely does not need war is modern Russia. The United States needs a "scarecrow" to be the main one for the West, and then questions began to arise: why NATO, and why America decides for everyone. And what about the impudent newcomers, so they behave as WE LET them.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Murmur 55

And so Putin decided to be at enmity? The one who definitely does not need war is modern Russia. The United States needs a "scarecrow" to be the main one for the West, and then questions began to arise: why NATO, and why America decides for everyone. And what about the impudent newcomers, so they behave as WE LET them.

Mr. Putin cannot but be at enmity, when in the near future all of Ukraine will become a military camp of those with whom he does not want to be at enmity. What should he do? hand over Ukraine? This is the second geostrategic catastrophe for Russia! What do you want to do? Is it not a priori clear that Russia ONE will not be able to stop several times
surpassing her colossal strength? Who will stand next to you? Armenians? who cannot defend themselves ?! For 44 days of the war, 10 deserters from their own army !!! These deserters will be standing near Kursk ?! Don't be fooled!

[Murmur 55]

And I do not count on Armenians or others, but the United States does not need a hot war.

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: Murmur 55

And I do not count on Armenians or others, but the United States does not need a hot war.

Alexander, you are probably young. Over the past 100 years, the United States around the world has done as little as starting a war. In my 60 years, the United States has started almost 60 wars! I took up History during the 1973 Israel-Arab War. Unfortunately, the history of mankind is the history of wars. And vice versa. That is, in fact, at the beginning, without even suspecting, I was doing just that. In other words, for almost half a century I have been engaged in US rowdy around the world. Nothing indicates their reluctance to fight. Given the dramatic political awakening in the last 40 years in vast areas of the Middle East and many other conditions, they will simply be forced to fight.

[lucul]

showing as an example the idyllic harmony that has existed between fraternal, Slavic states for 7 years already.

Indeed, idyllic harmony between Belarus and Russia has existed for 30 years, will you deny it? ))))

[aslanismaili611]

Quote: lucul

showing as an example the idyllic harmony that has existed between fraternal, Slavic states for 7 years already.

Indeed, idyllic harmony between Belarus and Russia has existed for 30 years, will you deny it? ))))

No, I will not. But Ukraine is very important! In a few years, NATO bases led by the United States will appear on the Russian borders, say, near Bryansk. 500 km from Moscow. Whose soldiers would you like to see next to? a handful of Armenians? Or 200 million Muslims and Turks? Or do you have only two allies - Army and Navy? Will you deny?

[lucul]

In a few years, NATO bases led by the United States will appear on the Russian borders, say, near Bryansk. 500 km from Moscow

They will not appear any more - the hegemon is exhausted, that's it.

[knn54]

-Vladimir: Some very bloodthirsty neighbors!
During the first Osh conflict (1989) in Uzgen, where Uzbeks live, the leaves of trees near the maternity hospital were red with blood. The Kirghiz threw babies out the windows with pitchforks. And there was also the USSR.

[primala]

Quote: No name B

Will come and how. In Ukraine and beyond the borders between vegetable gardens, neighbors kill each other. But here the water cannot be divided between the villages.

Are there really conflicts between neighbors !? Although ... why am I surprised ...
This is OUR mistake !!! Let the ghouls ...
Which day I hear: "It is necessary to decide !!!"
Hello !!! Solvers !!! When will you make a decision !?
When already OUR soldiers begin to sleep peacefully (allotted time during the service).
We have who in the country !? who thinks sensibly !?
Or did our men go out for a walk !?

[Kaman]

And whose army is stronger: Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan?

[SSR]

Quote: NIKNN

How would you agree at the presidential level who is fueling the escalation?

The Tajiks do not report, for example, before the start of the mortar shelling, they first evacuated the residents, from here there are so many casualties among the civilian population.

The Tajik side does not report any losses; in Kyrgyzstan, 33 dead and 163 wounded were announced.

The Toktogul reservoir, located on the territory of Kyrgyzstan, also supplies water to Uzbekistan.
Tajikistan raises this in vain, they think Russia has problems in the European direction, but Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan will be on the side of Kyrgyzstan.
PS. True, now the United States seems to be "withdrawing" from Afghanistan, oh, it can burn there.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: NIKNN

The parties continue to accuse each other of escalating the conflict.

How would you agree at the presidential level who is fueling the escalation? It would not occur to ordinary people to think, suddenly take it and rush to fight

So they have a long-standing enmity there. Unresolved territorial dispute, which has been since the days of the USSR

... The problems in these places began when the Union was still alive - it first flared up in 1989. As a result of an armed "discussion" between residents of two border villages, three people were killed ... Since then, it has not subsided.

The reasons, in principle, are not new for all similar places in the world - there are many people, but little land and water for its irrigation. Plus the incomprehensible status of the state border, with which there is complete confusion in this area. Its total length between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan is 976 kilometers, of which 504 kilometers - 70 sections - are not demarcated. Moreover, the reason preventing the final solution of this problem is almost curious - Tajikistan takes the maps of the 1924-1939s as a basis, and Kyrgyzstan - 1958-1959s.

If we talk about the conditional "new history" of the conflict, it begins in 2014, the second half of which was marked by nearly thirty armed clashes. Then - a period of relative calm ... How about a "calm"? From 2016 to 2018, they simply did not shoot at each other, dispensing with abuse and stones.

The spring of 2019 brought a "fresh stream" to the confrontation - in early March, the Tajiks did not like the construction of a bypass road through the disputed territories by the Kyrgyz and, without thinking twice, opened fire on the road workers, wounding three. This is according to Bishkek. According to Dushanbe, the riots resulted in two killed from among the citizens of Tajikistan and more than 30 wounded.

2019, July 22, in the vicinity of the Kyrgyz village of Aksai - hunting rifles, stones, sticks. One killed and more than 30 wounded again.

September 16, Leilek district of the Batken region of Kyrgyzstan - from both sides, not amateurs, but professionals are entering the battle. The skirmish of border guards results in a cumulative loss of four killed and 23 wounded.

2020, May 8, the settlement of Kumazor, Isfara region of Tajik Sogdiana - land dispute, shooting, two heavy "XNUMX". According to the "good" tradition, the parties accuse each other.

https://riafan.ru/1435371-voda-kak-povod-k-voine-algis-mikulskis-o-strannosti-kirgizo-tadzhikskikh-boev

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: NIKNN

It would not occur to ordinary people to think, suddenly take it and rush to fight

for the sake of interest, look in the tyrnet that these "ordinary people" get up with their neighbors just because they are of a different nationality

[g1v2]

There is a whole bunch of problems. It is difficult to solve them in a directive way.
First, there is a rugged border in the Fergana Valley. On the territory of Kyrgyzstan there are enclaves of both Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, surrounded on all sides by the territory of Kyrgyzstan. It is unrealistically difficult to draw a clear border there, and if you don’t draw it, something important will end up on someone else’s territory and cause problems. Of course, the best way out would be - the exchange of territories and the removal of the population from these enclaves to the np built for them. But none of the local leaders and authorities will agree to this. Its population will not understand.
Further, there is huge demographic pressure. There are as many Uzbeks as there are Kazakhs, Tajiks, Kyrgyz and Turkmens combined. Moreover, the population is constantly growing among the Uzbeks and among the Tajiks and Kyrgyz. Work for such a growing population cannot be found within countries, and a decent standard of living cannot be ensured either. No matter how much you repeat the mantra about “you just have to not steal,” and so on, even the growing economy of Uzbekistan cannot feed so many people. Tch here salvation for them - only earnings in Russia. And now the quarantine and people are sitting at home without work and money. From here add. aggression that needs a way out.
The third is the influence of Islamists who are supported from abroad. Afghan is close again.
Fourth. In Soviet times, there was a balance of the republics. Someone supplied water and electricity to others, someone hydrocarbons, and so on. Now the hydrocarbon producing republics have decided that selling to the PRC is more profitable than supplying them to their neighbors. Those, in turn, decide to build hydroelectric power plants or limit water.
Fifth. Well, local power clans and organized crime and local showdowns for money and smuggling. Where can we go without it.
There are many problems and the locals will not be able to solve them without external forces. That is, without Uncle Vova. And we will have to decide - otherwise it will affect us. And it is understandable that our competitors deliberately throw firewood into the fire when they need to create problems for us.

[From Tomsk]

The two tribes did not share the well.

[Charik]

Yes, problems on earth begin with water

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Charik

Yes, problems on earth begin with water

These problems began long ago, and in Central Asia they began after the collapse of the USSR. And there is no way out of this situation at this time.

[primala]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Charik

Yes, problems on earth begin with water

These problems began long ago, and in Central Asia they began after the collapse of the USSR. And there is no way out of this situation at this time.

... you are RIGHT !!! That is why it is surprising that SOMEONE ... has to explain ...
If there is press water, it is only on the territory of Russia. In any case - so far in excess.
(still and save)

[Asad]

Tajiks keep a kiosk near my house, they are from these places, they say there were always graters in the days of the USSR too.

[Tank jacket]

Greetings, These problems were laid by small-shavens back in the 19th century.

[tihonmarine]

This conflict has been going on for decades, and at any moment it can escalate into full-fledged hostilities between the two countries,

And the water becomes less and less, and conflicts will develop into constant wars. And this awaits not only Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, but also other countries of Central and Central Asia.

[xorek]

Quote: tihonmarine

And the water becomes less and less, and conflicts will develop into constant wars.

If there is no water in the tap? .. There is always water in Israel ..
They have already stocked up and bought up the shares.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: xorek

They have already stocked up and bought up the shares.

The stocks will run out, but you won't get people drunk with stocks. Whatever one may say, but a person needs 2 liters to drink, and this is half a million tons per month.

[xorek]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: xorek

They have already stocked up and bought up the shares.

The stocks will run out, but you won't get people drunk with stocks. Whatever one may say, but a person needs 2 liters to drink, and this is half a million tons per month.

And the water is clean, only in Russia there is a lot left .. Soon they will climb

[parathyron]

They cleaned up the Golan Heights, which were poorly lying, in a businesslike way, and at the exit from the Kinneret, almost all of the Jordan is redirected for irrigation, the remains are already flowing past Jordan. Plus desalination of the sea

[xorek]

Everything is strange, first in Karabakh our peacekeepers were blown up, then there was a shootout with Tajikistan, it is not clear why ... In Syria, too, activation and ours were raised by alarm .. Who is next ?
I am silent about khookhlov .. There is the main anti-Russian movement

The Anglo-Saxons will not leave us alone and will constantly provoke a fight ..
And Russia is about to take and declare war on you insolent Saxons. Are you doing all our troubles?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Fraternal Tajiks shoot at fraternal Kyrgyz. How good that this damned USSR has collapsed. Now you can shoot each other completely freely.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Now you can shoot each other completely freely.

The water will run out, there will be no need to shoot.

[evgen1221]

Echoes - take as much suverinet as you like. For a long time to come, the bones of the Soviet infrastructures will be weaving.

[Humpty]

Quote: tihonmarine

These problems began long ago, and in Central Asia they began after the collapse of the USSR. And there is no way out of this situation at this time.

If a brothel is unprofitable, then you need to change girls, and not move the beds and change screens. But Moscow officials are always mumbling the religious dogma of sovereign right and non-interference.

[st2st]

Oh, how long will the collapse of the USSR go back to haunt in the former republics of the Union ... But - independent ... from sanity.

[vindigo]

Let them figure it out among themselves. And we'll sit on the couch and watch their showdowns on TV.

[opuonmed]

USA someone threw the dough to light a fire)

[Tank jacket]

The Big Game continues ...
Again "the Englishwoman crap" ... (c)

[Tank jacket]

Quote: vindigo

Let them figure it out among themselves. And we'll sit on the couch and watch their showdowns on TV.

Like my hut is on the edge ...
Cleanliness is a thoughtless confidence in "indecency" in a decent society to be interested in the content side of certain phenomena: the Jewish question, sources of income, the nature of someone's personal ties: with foreign countries, mafias, other people's special services, etc. Begins to speak under the slogans: "Guys, let's live together ...", "I only do my own thing, other people's affairs do not concern me", and ends: "It is better to be a CIA agent than a KGB agent." Fails, always confirming the correctness of the ancient wisdom: "It is madness to think that evil do not do evil." It always turns into anti-patriotism, since the state in which not only sissies live first of all suffers from cleanliness. The actions of the sissies are directed against the organs of the state, which primarily carries the function of public administration, and not its costs in the crowd-“elite” society, against which the sissy is indignant.