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The femme fatale of the House of Romanov. The empress

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The femme fatale of the House of Romanov. The empress

Article The femme fatale of the house of the Romanovs. Bride and groom we started the story about the German princess Alice of Hesse. In particular, it was told how she, in spite of the circumstances, became the wife of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II.


Alice hastily arrived in Russia on the eve of the death of Alexander III. But, according to ancient tradition, the son of the deceased emperor could not marry during the mourning for his father. However, on November 14 (a week after the funeral of Alexander III), the mourning was canceled for one day under the pretext of celebrating the birthday of the dowager empress. At the same time, they held the wedding ceremony of Nikolai and Alexandra. This made an extremely unpleasant impression on Russian society. The people directly said that the German princess entered Petersburg and the royal palace on the coffin of the late emperor and would bring innumerable troubles to Russia. The coronation of Nicholas and Alexandra, which took place on May 14 (26), was overshadowed by the tragedy on the Khodynskoye field. This did not prevent the newly-made royal family from attending a ball held by the French envoy Gustave Louis Lann de Montebello (the grandson of the Napoleonic marshal) on the same day.


Ball at the French Ambassador on the day of Khodynka

Moscow Governor-General Sergei Alexandrovich (husband of the sister of the new empress), despite numerous demands, did not incur any punishment for the ugly organization of festivities on Khodynskoye field. These events, as you understand, did not add to the popularity of Nikolai and Alexandra. The day of the Khodynka tragedy in Russia was then called "bloody Saturday". A gloomy prophecy began to spread among the people:

"The reign began with Khodynka, and it will end with Khodynka."

In 1906 K. Balmont remembered him in his poem "Our Tsar":

"Who began to reign Khodynka,
He will finish - standing on the scaffold. "

Empress Alexandra Feodorovna


Having become the wife of Nikolai, Alexandra did not change her character even here, avoiding both official courtyard events and informal communication with most of the courtiers. The aristocrats were offended by the coldness of the new queen, accusing her of arrogance and arrogance. In fact, Alexandra Feodorovna refused to fulfill her duties as an empress, and the courtiers abandoned by her repaid the "German woman" with contempt and even hatred. In this case, Alexandra literally followed in the footsteps of Marie Antoinette. This French queen also avoided balls and traditional events at Versailles. She made Trianon her residence, where she received only a select few. And even her husband, Louis XVI, had no right to come to this palace without an invitation. The offended aristocrats took revenge on both of them with ridicule, contempt and dirty rumors.

Alice's brother Ernst-Ludwig later recalled that even many members of the imperial family became her enemies, giving her the contemptuous nickname "Cette raede anglaise" ("The prim Englishwoman").

State Councilor Vladimir Gurko writes about Alexander:

“Embarrassment prevented her from establishing simple, relaxed relationships with the persons she introduced herself to, including the so-called city ladies, who carried jokes around the city about her coldness and inaccessibility.”

In vain, the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna, the empress's sister, advised her (excerpt from a letter from 1898):

“Your smile, your word - and everyone will adore You ... Smile, smile until your lips ache, and remember that everyone, leaving your house, will leave with a pleasant impression and will not forget your smile. You are so beautiful, majestic and sweet. It is so easy for you to please everyone ... Let them talk about your heart, which Russia needs so much and which is so easy to guess in your eyes. "

However, as they say, whom God wants to destroy, he deprives him of reason. The Empress could not or did not want to follow the wise advice of her elder sister.

At the same time, Alexandra Fedorovna is a very domineering and ambitious woman, she turned out to be extremely suggestible and easily obeyed people with a stronger character. Nicholas II was not one of those. The same Rasputin spoke about Nicholas II and Alexander in the following way:

“The Tsarina is a painfully wise ruler, I can do everything with her, I will reach everything, and he (Nicholas II) is a man of God. Well, what kind of Emperor is he? He would only play with the children, and with flowers, and deal with the garden, and not rule the kingdom ... "


Nicholas II and Alexandra Fedorovna

Even the people knew about the power of Alexandra Feodorovna over the henpecked emperor. Moreover, rumors circulated throughout the country that the empress

"Intends to play the same role in relation to her husband that Catherine played in relation to Peter III."

In 1915, many assured that the German queen wanted to remove Nicholas from power and become regent with her son. In 1917, it was argued that she was already a regent and ruled the state instead of the emperor. The notorious Felix Yusupov, one of Rasputin's killers, stated:

"The Empress imagined that she is the second Catherine the Great and the salvation and reconstruction of Russia depends on her."

Sergei Witte wrote that the emperor:

"He married ... a completely abnormal woman and took him into her arms, which was not difficult given his weak-willedness."

And at this very time, Alexandra Feodorovna meekly obeyed various "prophets" and "saints", the most famous of which was G. Rasputin.


G. Rasputin with Empress Alexandra Fedorovna and her children

Alexandra's charitable activities did not evoke a response in society. Even the personal involvement of the Empress and her daughters in helping wounded soldiers during World War I did not change the attitude towards her. The Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna recalled that the Empress, trying to cheer the wounded, said the "right" words to them, but her face remained cold, haughty, almost contemptuous. As a result, everyone was greatly relieved when Alexandra walked away from them. The aristocrats contemptuously said that “the Empress wore an ermine robe more than a nurse's dress", And about the princesses, dirty rumors were spread about their fornication with ordinary soldiers.

At the same time, only the lazy did not accuse Alexandra of spying on the Germans, which, of course, was not true.


World War I Caricature

Previously known as a zealous Protestant, Alexandra now imagines herself to be a true Orthodox, and the walls of her bedroom were covered with icons and crosses. However, the common people did not believe in the queen's religiosity, and the aristocrats in opposition openly mocked her.

Tsarevich


To her close friend Anna Vyrubova, Alexandra Fedorovna once admitted:

“You know how we both (she and Nicholas II) love children. But ... the birth of the first girl disappointed us, the birth of the second upset us, and we greeted our next girls with irritation. "

The steps that the imperial couple took in order to contribute to the birth of an heir are very peculiar.

At first, under the patronage of the Grand Duchess Militsa, four blind nuns were brought from Kiev, who sprinkled the royal bed with Bethlehem water. It did not help: instead of the boy, a daughter was born again - Anastasia.

Nikolai and Alexandra decided to add "hardcore", and the holy fool Mitya Kozelsky (D. Pavlov) came to the palace - a mentally disabled, half-blind, lame and hunchbacked invalid. During epileptic seizures, he made some inarticulate and incomprehensible sounds, which were interpreted by the clever tradesman Elpidifor Kananykin. Some argue that Mitya gave the sacrament to the royal children from his mouth (!). One of the girls then developed a rash that was difficult to heal.

Finally, in 1901, the royal couple, who had already had four daughters by that time, invited the "miracle worker" Philippe Nizier-Vasho from France, which, of course, was a step forward. The former apprentice from the Lyons butcher shop is not a crazy goat fool after all: he treated the Tunisian bey himself in 1881. True, in his homeland, Monsieur Philip was twice fined for illegal medical activities (in 1887 and 1890), but the Russian autocrats were not embarrassed by this circumstance.


Philip Nizier-Vasho

Particularly touching is Philip's gift to the Russian empress: an icon with a bell, which was supposed to ring when people "with bad intentions" approached it. Also, according to Vyrubova's testimony, Philip predicted the appearance of Rasputin to Nikolai and Alexandra - “a friend who will talk to them about God».

The foreign "magician" immediately ordered to remove all doctors from the empress. The visiting Frenchman apparently still possessed some kind of hypnotic ability. After communicating with him, the empress in 1902 showed signs of a new pregnancy, which turned out to be false. The most unpleasant thing was that the Queen's pregnancy was officially announced, and now there were very wild rumors among the people, which are reported, in particular, by the Secretary of State Polovtsev:

"The most ridiculous rumors spread in all classes of the population, such as, for example, that the Empress gave birth to a freak with horns."

It was also said that the emperor himself immediately drowned the monster in a bucket of water. Pushkin's lines were removed from the Tsar Saltan extravaganza, which was then staged at the Mariinsky Theater, at the request of the censorship:

"The queen gave birth to a son or a daughter in the night ..."

In Nizhny Novgorod, it turned out even funnier: a calendar was confiscated there, on the cover of which there was an image of a woman carrying 4 piglets in a basket - the censors saw a hint of the four daughters of the Empress.

After that, V.K.Pleve invited Nicholas and Alexandra to pray at the relics of Elder Prokhor Moshnin, who died in 1833, who is now better known as Seraphim of Sarov. This proposal was greeted with enthusiasm. Moreover, it was decided to canonize the elder so that he would become the personal patron of Nicholas II and Alexandra, as well as all subsequent emperors and empresses of the Romanov dynasty.

This attempt at canonization was not the first. Back in 1883, the head of the Moscow women's gymnasiums, Viktorov, turned to the chief prosecutor K. Pobedonostsev with such a proposal, but he did not find understanding with him. Some say that the reason was Seraphim's sympathy for the Old Believers, others - about the unreliability of data about miracles at his grave and the absence of imperishable remains, which were considered an indispensable attribute of holiness. However, now, in the spring of 1902, Pobedonostsev received a categorical order to draw up a decree on canonization. He tried to object, arguing that haste in such matters is inappropriate and impossible, but received in response Alexandra's decisive statement: “The sovereign can do anything". And in 1903 Seraphim of Sarov was canonized.

Finally, on July 30 (August 12), 1904, Alexandra nevertheless gave birth to a boy, who was immediately appointed chief of 4 regiments and ataman of all Cossack troops (later the number of regiments he sponsored increased to two dozen, and he also became the chief of 5 military schools). Already at the age of one month, it became clear that the child was sick with hemophilia, and there was practically no hope that he would live to the age of majority and take the throne. And then someone remembered the legend about the curse of Marina Mnishek, who, upon learning about the execution of her three-year-old son, predicted the Romanovs of illness, execution, murder (this part of the prophecy could already be considered fulfilled). But especially frightening was the concluding part of the prophecy, which stated that

"A reign that began with infanticide will end with infanticide."

Unlike the modest and well-mannered sisters, Alexey, whom his parents did not refuse in anything, grew up as a very spoiled child. Protopresbyter of the headquarters G. I. Shavelsky recalled:

"As painful, he (Alexei) was allowed and forgiven a lot that would not have gone healthy."

Investigator N. A. Sokolov, who was investigating the execution of the family of the former emperor, wrote in the book "Murder of the Tsar's Family" that Alexei

"Had his own will and obeyed only his father."

The Tsarevich's nanny, Maria Vishnyakova, practically did not leave him. Then two-year-old Alexei was assigned as a "uncle" by the former boatswain of the Imperial yacht "Standart" Andrey Derevenko. According to the recollections of Anna Vyrubova, during exacerbations of his illness, he warmed his ward's hands, straightened pillows and a blanket, even helped to change the position of numb arms and legs. Soon he needed an assistant, who in 1913 became Klymentiy Nagorny - another sailor from the yacht "Standart".


A. Derevenko is carrying Tsarevich Alexei

And here is how, according to the same Vyrubova, the attitude of Derevenko to the heir changed after the revolution:

“When they drove me back past Alexei Nikolaevich's nursery, I saw the sailor Derevenko, who, lounging in an armchair, ordered the heir to give him this or that. Alexei Nikolaevich with sad and surprised eyes ran, fulfilling his orders. "

Apparently, this sailor suffered a lot from his "pupil", and he never felt any love for the tsarevich.

Alexei took his status as Tsarevich very seriously and, at the age of six, unceremoniously expelled his older sisters from his room, telling them:

"Ladies, go away, the Heir will have a reception!"

At the same age, he made a remark to Prime Minister Stolypin:

"When I enter, I have to get up."

It is known that Nicholas II abdicated in favor of his brother Mikhail after his life surgeon Fedorov told him that Alexei had practically no chance of living to sixteen. The doctor was not mistaken. During his exile in Tobolsk, Alexei fell and since then never got up until his death.

The appearance of Rasputin


But let's go back and see that on November 1, 1905, an entry appears in the diary of Nicholas II:

"We got acquainted with the man of God Gregory from the Tobolsk province."

The "elder" at that time was 36 years old, the emperor - 37, Alexandra - 33. It was the fear for the life of Tsarevich Alexei that opened the doors to the Imperial Palace for Rasputin. You can find out about what happened next from the article Russian Cagliostro, or Grigory Rasputin as a mirror of the Russian revolution... Let's just say that acquaintance with Rasputin caused enormous damage to the reputation of the royal family. And it doesn't matter at all whether he was Alexandra's lover. And was the influence of the "elder" really such that with his advice and notes he determined the foreign and domestic policy of the empire? The problem was that many people believed in this criminal relationship and in Rasputin's constant interference in state affairs. Even the French ambassador, Maurice Palaeologus, reported to Paris:

“The queen recognizes him (Rasputin) as a gift of foresight, miracles and spells of demons. When she asks him for his blessing for the success of some political act or military operation, she acts as the Tsarina of Moscow would once have done, she brings us back to the times of Ivan the Terrible, Boris Godunov, Mikhail Fedorovich, she surrounds herself, so to speak, with Byzantine decorations archaic Russia. "


"Autocracy", caricature

By the way, it was the rumors about Rasputin's omnipotence that basically made the "elder" all-powerful. Indeed, how can you refuse a request to a person who, as everyone around assures, literally opens the door to the imperial chambers with his feet?

State Duma deputy Vasily Shulgin, known for his monarchical views, later recalled the words of his colleague Vladimir Purishkevich:

“Do you know what's going on? In cinematographs, it was forbidden to give a film where it was shown how the Emperor places the St. George's cross on himself. Why? Because as soon as they begin to show, - from the darkness a voice: "Tsar-father with Egoriy, and Tsarina-mother with Gregory ..." Wait. I know what you will say ... You will say that all this is not true about the Tsarina and Rasputin ... I know, I know, I know ... Not true, not true, but is it all the same? I'm asking you. Go prove it ... Who will believe you? "


Caricature "Autocracy": Rasputin and Nicholas II

About the influence that Rasputin had on Alexandra Fedorovna, says the forced confession of Nicholas II to P. Stolypin:

"I agree with you, Pyotr Arkadyevich, but let there be ten Rasputins rather than one empress's hysteria."

This, incidentally, is evidence that the relationship between the emperor and his wife was not nearly as idyllic as they are now represented. The well-informed secretary of Grigory Rasputin, Aron Simanovich, says the same:

“Quarrels arose very often between the king and queen. Both were very nervous. For several weeks the queen did not speak to the king - she suffered from hysterical fits. The king drank a lot, looked very bad and sleepy, and from everything it was noticeable that he had no control over himself. "

By the way, contrary to popular belief, many of Rasputin's advice are striking in their sanity, and for Russia, perhaps, it would be better if the true influence of the "Elder" on the emperor corresponded to the rumors spread in society.

Catastrophe


Some aristocrats considered Rasputin to be the source of evil that badly influenced the imperial couple. Rasputin was killed, but it turned out that many of the guards officers considered it a half measure and regretted that Grand Duke Dmitry and Felix Yusupov “did not finish the destruction,” that is, they did not deal with Nicholas II and Alexandra.

At the beginning of January 1917, General Krymov, at a meeting with Duma deputies, proposed to arrest the empress and imprison her in one of the monasteries. The Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna, who headed the Imperial Academy of Arts, spoke about the same with the Chairman of the Duma Rodzianko.

AI Guchkov, leader of the "Octobrist" party, considered the possibility of seizing the Tsar's train between Headquarters and Tsarskoye Selo in order to force Nicholas II to abdicate in favor of an heir. The younger brother of the emperor, Grand Duke Michael, was to become regent. Guchkov himself explained his anti-government activities as follows:

«Historical the drama that we are experiencing is that we are forced to defend the monarchy against the monarch, the church against the church hierarchy ... the authority of the government against the bearers of this power. "

In December 1916, Elizaveta Fyodorovna, the empress's sister, again tries to explain to her the seriousness of the situation and says at the end of this conversation:

"Remember the fate of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette."

No, Alexandra, unlike her husband, felt the impending danger. Intuition told her that a catastrophe was approaching, and she appealed to her husband, who did not understand the seriousness of the situation, in letters and telegrams:

“In the Duma, all are fools; at Headquarters they are all idiots; in the Synod there are only animals; ministers are scoundrels. Our diplomats must be outweighed. Disperse everyone ... Please, friend, do it as soon as possible. They should be afraid of you. We are not a constitutional state, thank God. Be Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible and Paul I, crush them all ... I hope that Kedrinsky (Kerensky) from the Duma will be hanged for his terrible speech, this is necessary ... Calmly and with a clear conscience, I would send Lvov to Siberia; I would have taken away the rank of Samarin, Milyukov, Guchkov and Polivanov - all of them also need to go to Siberia. "

In another letter:

"It would be nice if he (Guchkov) could be hanged somehow."

Here the Empress, as they say, guessed right. Later, a spokesman for the intelligence of the French General Staff, Captain de Maleycy, made a statement:

“The February revolution took place thanks to a conspiracy between the British and the liberal bourgeoisie of Russia. The inspiration was Ambassador Buchanan, the technical executor was Guchkov. "


A. I. Guchkov, "technical director" of the February revolution

In another letter, Alexandra instructs her husband:

"Be firm, show an imperious hand, this is what the Russians need ... It's strange, but such is the Slavic nature ..."

Finally, on February 28, 1917, she sends Nikolai a telegram:

“The revolution has taken on terrible proportions. The news is worse than ever. Concessions are necessary, many troops have gone over to the side of the revolution. "

And what does Nicholas II answer?

“Thoughts are always together. Great weather. Hope you feel good. Loving Nicky dearly. "

The most logical thing in this situation was to order to strengthen the protection of the family, to blockade the rebellious capital with units loyal to him (but not to bring them into Petersburg), to conclude an armistice agreement with his cousin Wilhelm, finally. And start negotiations from a position of strength. Nicholas II left Headquarters, where he was invulnerable, and in fact was captured by General Ruzsky. In a final attempt to hold on to power, Nikolai turned to the other front commanders and was betrayed by them. His abdication was demanded:

Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich (Caucasian Front);
General Brusilov (Southwestern Front);
General Evert (Western Front);
General Sakharov (Romanian Front);
General Ruzsky (Northern Front);
Admiral Nepenin (Baltic Fleet).

And only A. Kolchak, who commanded the Black Sea fleet, abstained.

On the same day, finally realizing the scale of the catastrophe and finally losing heart, Nicholas II signed an act of abdication, which was adopted by the Duma deputies A. Guchkov and V. Shulgin. Believing that his son would not live to come of age and would not be able to ascend the throne, Nicholas II abdicated in favor of his younger brother. However, in the conditions of growing anarchy, Mikhail Romanov also renounced the throne. The time-honored legitimacy of power was destroyed. In St. Petersburg, irresponsible Duma "talkers", demagogues and populists came to power. The supporters of the monarchy, who had lost their pretender to the throne, were disorganized and disoriented, but nationalists of all stripes raised their heads on the outskirts. If the legitimate heir to the throne was healthy, no one could abdicate for him before his majority. The only thing that the cowardly Michael could have done was to refuse the regency, which was not at all critical, another person would have been appointed regent. For example, Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich, who was popular in the army, could have become one. Thus, the fate of the Romanov dynasty was decided back in 1894 - at the time of the marriage of Nicholas II to Princess Alice of Hesse.

And then Nicholas was betrayed by the allies in the Entente. Only a formal enemy - the German emperor Wilhelm II, agreed to accept his family. And one of the tasks of the German ambassador Mirbach, who arrived in Moscow after the conclusion of the Brest Peace, was to organize the transfer of the family of the former emperor from Tobolsk to Riga, occupied by German troops. But soon William himself was overthrown from the throne. Everyone knows what happened next. During the entire period of the imperial family's exile, not a single attempt was made to free the former emperor. And even the majority of "whites" did not want the restoration of the monarchy, making plans to create a bourgeois parliamentary republic. The lines written in the emigration of A. Vyrubova are characteristic:

“We Russians,” she wrote, referring not to the people, but to the aristocrats, “too often blame others for our misfortune, not wanting to understand that our position is the work of our own hands, we are all to blame, especially the upper classes. . "
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 May 2021 05: 42
    +8
    Valery thank you!
    I will add one more touch to your story. When General Kornilov arrived in Tsarskoe Selo to notify the imperial family of the arrest, he communicated with Alexandra Fedorovna, and not Nikolai Alexandrovich.
    Well, the last stroke.
    According to eyewitnesses, Nicholas II "surrendered the empire as a squadron."
    Good morning!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 8 May 2021 06: 36
      +12
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      I will add one more touch to your story. When General Kornilov arrived in Tsarskoe Selo to notify the imperial family of the arrest, he communicated with Alexandra Fedorovna, and not Nikolai Alexandrovich.

      How, then, could Nikolai Alexandrovich communicate with Kornilov in Tsarskoe Selo, if he was not there?
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 8 May 2021 06: 38
      +5
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      According to eyewitnesses, Nicholas II "surrendered the empire as a squadron."
      Good morning!

      According to eyewitnesses, Holy Russia faded in three days.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 8 May 2021 12: 56
        -2
        Quote: bober1982
        According to eyewitnesses, Holy Russia faded in three days.

        molting in March ??? is that with the weather? so it starts in April ...
    3. Deniska999
      Deniska999 8 May 2021 19: 50
      +6
      I read about the first years of the reign of Nicholas II. And it is surprising that this German-Danish family had French as their internal language.
      “In a conversation with Maria Fyodorovna, Sheremetev noted that Pobedonostsev was not satisfied with his creature. The Empress responded with a remark: "Il est dans les dindons".
      “As statesman Polovtsov notes in his diary, the resignation of the Minister of the Court was made without the knowledge of Maria Fedorovna, who met Vorontsov after being fired in Gatchina with the words:“ Comment, il a dit chez moi hier et ne m'a rien dit! ”
      “The count shared his fears with Maria Fedorovna, having met her in Gatchina on December 13th. In his opinion, "the Tsar's policy is clearly expressed by him, mais il ya la politique de certaines ministres, qui lui est diametralement opposé." Sheremetev named three people: Goremykina, N.V. Muravyova (Minister of Justice) and S.Yu. Witte (Minister of Finance). Maria Fedorovna rather sharply responded about them: “About the first she said“ c'est un official! ”, About the last (one)“ C'est un laquais! ”"
      “In March 1897, in a conversation with Maria Fyodorovna, Sheremetev noted that there was disunity between the ministries of justice and the interior because of the recent riots. In response, the empress once again complained to him that Nicholas II was “Je le lui dit toujours”.

      At the same time, I found how they taught the languages ​​of the "Romanovs":
      “The French language of the children of the emperor (Alexander II) was polished especially carefully. When the royal family went to Tsarskoe Selo in the spring, of all the teachers-philologists, only the French language teacher Remy was taken there. In his presence, the children were required to speak only French.
      The children spoke French and German brilliantly, but they did not want to learn Russian and English, they said that it would be of little use to them in life.

      The grand dukes somehow looked especially condescendingly at their ignorance of languages. The English exam was below all criticism. From 12 to 2 Alexander Alexandrovich had lessons in Russian literature and English; from the first he received "two" and "three", and for the English lesson "three" and "three".
      Alexander Alexandrovich spoke Russian at court only in the second half of the 1870s, while still a crown prince, but made many mistakes in him.

      When children grew up in the family of Alexander III, the traditions associated with their language training were fully reproduced. There were also traditional English Bonn. But at the same time Danish was included in the "gentleman's set" of languages ​​at court. He was not specially taught, but regular communication with Danish relatives and the lessons of his mother led to the fact that Nicholas II knew Danish quite well at the everyday level.

      By the end of the XIX century. the role of the English language at the Russian Imperial Court has changed. This language has decisively supplanted German and partly French. At the beginning of the XX century. English became a means of communication in Petersburg society: it was invariably spoken at court. This was largely due to changes in both the dynastic and the political situation. Tsarevich Nikolai Alexandrovich mastered English very well. This is largely the merit of the English teacher Karl Heath.

      When children appeared in the family of Nicholas II, then, according to tradition, English nannies were invited from England. Children read books mainly in English. Nicholas II spoke and corresponded with his wife only in English. When the children grew up, the girls talked to their mother in English. Olga and Tatiana knew a little German, but spoke it with difficulty. Maria, Anastasia and Alexey did not know the German language at all.
      English became the main language in the family of the last Romanovs. "
    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 8 May 2021 21: 08
      +4
      "Surrendered the empire as a squadron"
      "The emperor plays the violin,
      The state is leaving the hands "(C)
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 11 May 2021 10: 51
        +2
        The emperor plays the violin

        Is this about Peter III, Anton?
        Be Peter the Great, Ivan the Terrible and Paul I, crush them all ...

        It is interesting to mention Paul ... They were so afraid! what
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 8 May 2021 06: 11
    +4
    What confusion was at that time both in the country and in the royal family.

    Probably the best lines from the diaries of Nicholas II reflect:
    "Around treason, cowardice and deceit",

    Yet there is something rational in the omens as well.
    And, indeed, what began with Khodynka did not have many chances to continue with a bright future.

    I catch myself thinking that the article is upsetting.
    Not because of vain, not because of a set of anecdotes and cartoons.

    As you know, Monomakh's Hat is heavy.
    And then pain, hunger and hatred affected all classes.

    And the prophecy of Maria Mnishek makes you wonder.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 8 May 2021 06: 51
      +14
      There are many admirers of the "innocent murdered", canonized and consequently numbered among the holy martyrs. One should pray for them, not criticize them. Criticizing the "saints" is a great sin wassat
      Why does the Russian Orthodox Church not canonize the same Paul I and Peter III, who also "imitating Christ, endured with patience physical, mental suffering and death at the hands of political opponents." or to take the life of some "great sin", and others "great blessing"? The opportunism is continuous in the Russian Orthodox Church and the "house of the Romanovs" !!!
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 8 May 2021 06: 54
        +5
        Why can the princesses be criticized?
        How is the murder justified?

        And Paul I is a very interesting figure.
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 May 2021 08: 18
          +11
          I catch myself thinking that the article is upsetting.
          Not because of vain, not because of a set of anecdotes and cartoons.


          The article is not upsetting.
          The king is upset.
          How could you marry a sick woman! From high feelings, any citizen of any rank can afford this, but not a person who, by the will of fate and the socio-economic structure of society, is entrusted with responsibility for the empire. But in this case, the feelings seem to have been of the nature when the slave begins to adore the slave owner on the basis that the slave owner makes decisions for him, the slave. How easy it is for a lazy nature to live! Despite the fact that it was not Liechtenstein that was given to you to rule, but geographically the whole continent.
          Quod licet jovi, non licet bovi
          Terence:
          "Others are allowed, but you are not allowed"
          Terence is right, but I would say it differently:
          What is allowed to the bull is not allowed to Jupiter.
          Nikolai allowed and thus put himself in the place of each individual subject, alone unable to influence anything. Forgetting that he, the emperor, with his fabulous powers is one, and there are too many of those who cannot afford at least something, and together they are a force that surpasses all imaginable imperial possibilities.

          Having taken power, remember that you belong to everyone, and not to one or a few.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 May 2021 08: 35
            +2
            You have an interesting reasoning.
            For some reason, it seems that Anton could have said about the biologically wrong choice.

            The country did not accept the Empress.
            1. depressant
              depressant 8 May 2021 09: 29
              +12
              Nikolay accepted it, but the history of my country did not accept it. Nikolai sought and found an excuse for himself to avoid responsibility, believing that his position at the top of the ruling elite would rule everything by itself. And with this the autocracy has exhausted itself.
              It exhausted itself by the fact that the elite thought the same way, making claims to the tsar that he was not able to keep up with the times, but was not capable of this herself. The control method is rotten.
              After all, what should a person who is at the pinnacle of power do? Yes! I do not just love power, but it is my flesh and blood, I cannot get rid of it without killing myself, which means that the oppressive one should turn into joy for me through the creation of joy for all my subjects, therefore, my greatness. Not everyone is capable of making such an effort. Nicholas II failed.

              He failed to come to the conclusion that it was the 20th century in the yard, and greatness is not created by resolutions on reports - by resolutions such as "Rods!" or "It was necessary to destroy the whole city" - this is about Astrakhan, as if about enemy territory. Or "I am against exemption from tuition fees" - about the children of the poor. Or categorically encouraging resolutions on many reports, in which it was reported that once again the gendarmes had shot the workers.
              And the top of all - "When I want, then I will cancel."
              Nicholas II did not understand that the anointing with oil, or whatever the kings were anointed with the kingdom, is not the anointing of the kingdom of God, and his, the king's will, is not the will of the Lord, but only the realization of his, the king, his own mediocre opinion, stuck at the level of the Middle Ages.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 8 May 2021 09: 41
                +3
                Hard to say. Power is a rather dubious pleasure.

                And often, even on a small level, you remind yourself of Khoja Nasreddin, who is being carried by a donkey.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 8 May 2021 10: 10
                  +9
                  Nicholas II was carried like a donkey by the empress, who was also stuck in her thinking in the Middle Ages. They drove each other and drove to the basement of the Ipatiev house. Thinking that is permissible for a philistine is not permissible for a head of state.

                  Greatness should be based not on confrontation with subjects, not on corralling subjects into stalls, in which it is convenient to milk them, subjects, boasting to the rulers of other herds, flocks and other things about the abundance of milk, but on creating conditions under which the stall is replaced by a wide field covered with lush green grass and allowing everyone to choose a suitable feeding area - a field with such a large and attractive variety of possibilities that, when looking through the border fence, the temptations of other people's fields seem uninteresting. And then the people will gladly give their share to the state and glorify its leader.
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 10: 14
                    +1
                    And at what period in the life of our country was such a period?
                    Which of the rulers possessed greatness?
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 8 May 2021 11: 13
                      +9
                      Sergey, you were the first to ask this question, you are the first to answer it. I will only say that the canonization of the person who imposed a resolution on the message of the leadership of the Phanagoria regiment about the shooting of the workers' strike in the form of "Tsarskoe thanks to the fellow Phanagorians!" is blasphemy. It turns out that the cruel action of a person stuck in the backyard of history has been canonized.
                      If we talk about kings, then name among them the great - in your opinion.
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 May 2021 11: 42
                        +4
                        I have no definite answer.
                        But, quite a long time ago, he began to look closely with respect to the time of Nicholas I and Alexander III.

                        Perfectly, while realizing that the reign of the first ended with the Crimean War. And the heir to the second was Nicholas II.

                        And he did not realize himself at all, whoever did not abuse him, Paul the First.

                        By the way, the age of Elizaveta Petrovna is not so bad either.

                        It only depends on "what class to go in."

                        Therefore, the song "Times do not choose" remains relevant always.
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 8 May 2021 12: 18
                        +8
                        Yes, "they live and die".
                        And it seems that once the autocracy set in Russia such a trend that they could not get rid of during the years of Soviet power. Its attractive tinsel for weak but crafty minds is considered to be its main substantive part. And now the high-society balls have already started, French rolls are crunching, and his story goes, goes, crushing all of us with the irresistible weight of its skating rink.
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 May 2021 12: 28
                        +2
                        Yes, there is no fundamental difference between a croissant from the morning with coffee and grandma's pie.

                        Definitely, I would choose pies, if possible.

                        The ball is hardly fundamentally different from the student's "skits".

                        It is important to be among your own people.
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 12: 41
        +9
        Quote: depressant
        What is allowed to the bull is not allowed to Jupiter.

        Many people forget about it when they become Jupiters. You have to pay for power or you will have to pay. Nikolai did not want to pay and had to pay with his own life and the life of his family. But personally, I'm still not sure that he paid to the end.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 8 May 2021 13: 48
          +1
          You are strict. Family life and life - what else can a person add to this?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 15: 07
            +6
            What to add? I do not know. If we use Talion's principle (an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth) in determining the measure of punishment - the most archaic and therefore, probably, the most just, then the entire Romanov family will have to pay for many generations to come.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 8 May 2021 15: 30
              +3
              You can't give more than you have.

              At the same time, the New Testament made certain adjustments to the life of mankind.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 16: 10
                +5
                Quote: Korsar4
                You can't give more than you have.

                So don't borrow like that. Nature abhors a vacuum.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 8 May 2021 16: 12
                  +2
                  Sure. Living on credit is wrong. No matter how tough it is.

                  Was the Emperor a void? Not sure.
                  But there was a lot of rot around.
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 16: 38
                    +8
                    The evil that he sowed with his actions and, most importantly, inaction, is still belching out in our country. Until now, there are still "whites" and "reds", between which there is a constant social tension.
                    If I were a believer, or just a person inclined to mysticism, I would say that we are all still paying for his sins. But since I am neither one nor the other, I will simply say - the social rift that arose during the reign of his father and grew by the connivance of Nikolai himself to unimaginable proportions, is still dividing the population of our country, hindering peace and stability, sowing tension.
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 06
                    +2
                    Yes. I still haven't gotten sick.

                    But do you think that under Alexander II there was no "social crack"?
                  3. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 18: 57
                    +4
                    What to call a crack. Unsolvable, otherwise than by armed means, contradictions were formed, I think, under Alexander III. Rather, they went so deep that it was already impossible to resolve them without blood. But this is my opinion. Many people think otherwise.
                  4. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 06
                    +2
                    About the "crack" - your words. What has radically changed in the time of Alexander III compared to the time of Alexander II?
                  5. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 19: 15
                    +3
                    The son curtailed his father's reforms and doomed the country to big blood. Her grandson doomed her to revolution.
                  6. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 37
                    +2
                    A strange thought flashes today (maybe wrong). It seems that you have a rather authoritarian character. Having which in a liberal society can be more comfortable than in a conservative one.

                    It is clear that the information is completely insufficient.
                    But a person can look in the external environment for something that to some extent complements Him.
                  7. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 20: 14
                    +5
                    Quote: Korsar4
                    authoritarian character

                    smile
                    No comment. smile
                    The young are more comfortable in a liberal society, the elderly in a conservative one. In your youth, you dream that all girls have easy and easy behavior, you begin to understand and appreciate traditional family values ​​a little later ... smile
                    I am slowly becoming a conservative with the prospect of complete retrograde with a final attempt to stop time around me and pupate. smile
                    So I see myself on my deathbed with the words "Stop, a moment! I'm afraid you are the last."
                    Oh, the verses turned out straight. Do you know, no one has composed this before me? smile
                  8. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 21: 15
                    +2
                    Ostap Bender had something similar.

                    I remembered Anna Karenina before our conversation.
                    Steve Oblonsky was a true liberal.

                    And Karenin is quite nice there.
                  9. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 8 May 2021 21: 32
                    +3
                    Let me draw a line under the dialogue.
                    A certain "Anton" believes that the Romanovs' empire was "shattered" in December 1877. Everything else is like the convulsions of a suicide who decided to shoot himself through the temple.
                  10. depressant
                    depressant 9 May 2021 06: 03
                    +1
                    The dialogue, or rather the thought, is not finished.
                    The United States, through the Homestead Act, created a powerful class of farmers-breadwinners of the country, capable of influencing the domestic policy of the state and becoming a guarantor of its stability. The tsar freed the peasants without land, forcing them to buy out the cultivated plots for wild money. The landlessness of the peasants of Central Russia ultimately led to the collapse of tsarism. This is the price of one wrong decision.
                    Currently, food production is being transferred to the department of corporations, which do not care about the state, patriotism in relation to the territory, and then to the manufacturers of artificial food. All these are supranational structures. It will be very painful for the world to move under a common roof. The same USA.
                    Why are we stealing on such a scale? They want to become this roof. Snatch yourself the position of at least her beams and rafters. And this is not a consequence of Putin's rule, as everyone says. This is the price of the board. They put it like this.
                    Everything has a price.
                    Alexander II bought himself 20 years of life by the half-heartedness of the 1861 reform. Had he done it right, the landlords would have killed it right away.
                    Alexander III bought himself natural death through counter-reformation.
                    But nothing lasts forever.
                    Nicholas II was doomed from the very beginning. By the beginning of his reign, the "position" of the tsar had already become useless, except for a handful of higher nobles, but he did not understand this. This position is too expensive for the country a political theater in too expensive decorations, it was needed only by Nicholas himself, since he believed that his wife was interested in him while the tsar. He portrayed him with this - "Flog!"

                    You don't need to flog anyone in the 21st century, you need to rule wisely, whoever you are - the king, king, sultan, president, etc. To rule over subjects, and not an international opinion about yourself, your beloved. The subjects from whom you bought this power. Yes, it's scary. But I bought it! Only at the same time I very quickly forgot that not only a handful of blood-sucking scoundrels acted as a seller, but also the people who also needed a nutrient medium due to the development of production. Constant donation of blood without proper nutrition leads to anemia. Including the state one. The lesson of Nicholas II did not go for the future.
  • for
    for 8 May 2021 22: 10
    0
    Quote: depressant
    How could you marry a sick woman

    Have you heard the song kings can do everything .....?
  • Looking for
    Looking for 8 May 2021 16: 05
    0
    belonging to the family, albeit a renounced one, but Romanov.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 11 May 2021 10: 53
    +2
    And Paul I is a very interesting figure.

    Undoubtedly, Sergei! Speaking of Paul and the Russian Orthodox Church, he quarreled very strongly with Metropolitan Platon (who was his own teacher of the Law of God). I think the church looked with apprehension at his fascination with the Knights of Malta. But the Old Believers truly grieved for him - for the first time he allowed them to open their churches.
  • ecolog
    ecolog 8 May 2021 14: 22
    +6
    Because these Romanovs were killed by "their own", it is tolerable, and Nikolai is a rebellious rabble. This, in their opinion, cannot be forgiven.
  • Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 8 May 2021 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: Serg Koma
    The opportunism is continuous in the Russian Orthodox Church and the "house of the Romanovs" !!!

    Poorly said! Ivan VI is a real, without any reservations, great martyr, unlike Peter, Paul, Alexander and Nicholas, who did nothing himself that could cause hatred or even hostility of others. His trouble is that he was just born. And where is our church?
  • Unknown
    Unknown 8 May 2021 06: 24
    +10
    In Russia, henpecked people have never been held in high esteem. How will you rule over us if you cannot deal with a woman? This is approximately how the common people reason. And Rasputin is the last nail in the lid of the Romanovs' coffin.
    The dynasty could no longer offer anything good. The article is good, but we must remember another femme fatale in our modern history.
    It would be nice to show her role in the collapse of the USSR. Analogies are so straight into the eye.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 06: 51
      -1
      There's something about it.

      Does Peter III belong to the same category? Or is it a special case?
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 8 May 2021 08: 40
        +3
        Quote: Korsar4
        Does Peter III belong to the same category? Or is it a special case

        Yes, Karl Peter Ulrich actually happened to be on the throne. Elizabeth was also not out of great intelligence, either a German or a Swede was brought to Russia to the kingdom. How his relations with women evolved is not known. But judging by the few sources, he was also in the cohort of henpecked and cuckolds. ,,,, Madame,
        I ask you not to bother yourself tonight to sleep with me, since it’s too late to deceive me, the bed has become too narrow, after two weeks of separation from you, this afternoon

        your unfortunate husband, whom you have not honored this name

        Peter [18]. ,,,, From a letter to Katka. Well, what can I say. That's up to the rules, before the attack (hemorrhoidal colic,), aggravated by prolonged alcohol consumption and diarrhea. This is official, and so the Orlov brothers banged out. It is necessary to watch the little wife. Not like, his uncle Peter the Great, who slightly suspected his wife, in connection with the brother of Peter I's mistress Anna Mons, adjutant of the emperor, chamber junker, chamberlain of the imperial court. Executed for bribes and love affairs with Empress Catherine. This is how you have to act, then you will sit on the throne and you will rule the country.
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 8 May 2021 09: 32
          +6
          Quote: Unknown
          Elizabeth, too, not from a great mind, whether a German, or a Swede to Russia to the kingdom brought.

          Who else? This is her only nephew and the only male descendant of the Petrine branch of the Romanovs.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 8 May 2021 13: 02
            +2
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Who else? This is her only nephew and the only male descendant of the Petrovsky branch of the Romanovs

            So it is, the only one and the others, but whoever blew the empress in the ear, Count Shuvalov himself, or someone else, for some reason chose the worst one. Who else? Sounds straight from today. They could not find someone out of their own, how many considered themselves to be higher than the Rurikovichs, they could have chosen the Romanovs in 1613, but here there was no one worthy. Come on, they would have brought a sensible one, but no. In England, at one time they invited the Hanoverians, then they quietly renounced their relatives, became Windsors, and they still rule nothing. Or in Sweden, Bernadotte was invited and a new dynasty began. And here, as always. I don’t know why, but at the turning points in the history of Russia, with rare exceptions, henpecked people were in power. Of course, the Romanovs accumulated a bunch of problems that they did not even try to solve, but the slightest push is enough for everything to collapse. This was the impetus for the queen, since being a husband is one thing, but managing the state is another. I remember perestroika well, and Gorbacheva herself was the first to irritate people. All unpopular decisions were associated with her, starting with Prohibition. Talk about her influence on her husband was everywhere. From here it is natural, yes they all went, into three letters. And he, she, and the party to the heap. If such rot has started in the CPSU, then there is nothing to defend the party. There were such conversations at that time. It was not for nothing that J.V. Stalin always showed his wife who was the boss. After all, nepotism, protectionism came from wives, relatives of wives, etc. Hence the troubles in the state, incompetent people, not in place, not in mind, but out of acquaintance, etc. Stalin cleaned up all the relatives of Alliluyevskaya and Svanidzevskaya. not to do, not to be responsible for anything, eat deliciously and sleep well. It didn't work out. And even to take the old man Leonid Brezhnev, when he began to get sick, conversations began to circulate about his daughter, what she was doing together with Shchelokov's wife. It also negatively influenced the attitude of the people to the authorities. So, whatever one may say, but the female factor influences, and how.
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 8 May 2021 13: 36
              +1
              Quote: Unknown
              I remember perestroika well, and Gorbacheva herself was the first to irritate people.

              I also remember, but this is from the category "the king is good - the boyars / women are bad"
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 8 May 2021 14: 39
                +2
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                I also remember, but this is from the category "the king is good - the boyars / women are bad

                This is a useless tsar from the category, and even a woman runs the country and him. If Raika's brother is an alcoholic, then it is not necessary to consider the whole country as alcoholics.
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 8 May 2021 16: 37
                  +1
                  Yes, the fact of the matter is that there was a moment while Mikhal Sergeevich was perceived as the leader of the nation, and even by very intelligent people. But Raisa Maksimovna was always annoyed by this fact.
                  1. Unknown
                    Unknown 8 May 2021 17: 51
                    0
                    Quote: Senior Sailor
                    Yes, the fact of the matter is that there was a moment while Mikhal Sergeevich was perceived as the leader of the nation, and by very intelligent people

                    I do not know who perceived Gorbachev as a leader, I will speak for myself and for the hard workers with whom I worked. Ordinary people have always been wary of him. It has already been said about dry law, for example, we are sitting in a shed, talking about this and that, and the old people say Gorbaty-Khrushchev reminds, the same idle talker, and in addition to that bald man. As they said, what is perestroika? It's like a storm in the forest, it is noisy above, and silence below. Yes, and Raika's eyes are corns, there is no drink, no bite, and even no smoke, the tobacco is gone, survived !? Leader, where is his place.!
          2. Sugar Honeyovich
            Sugar Honeyovich 8 May 2021 14: 53
            -1
            But not the only male descendant of the Romanovs in general.
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 8 May 2021 16: 35
              +2
              Are you talking about John Antonovich? Not an option at all. Lizhen just overthrew him.
              And in general, he is a descendant of Tsar Ivan - Peter's elder brother. Ivanovtsy and Petrivtsi are at enmity with each other, who is more legitimate. If Ioann Antonovich is the legitimate great-grandson of the legitimate tsar, then the meek-hearted Elizaveta Petrovna is generally in flight.
              1. Sugar Honeyovich
                Sugar Honeyovich 8 May 2021 18: 30
                -1
                Yes, he is. Compared to him, E.P. really in flight.
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 8 May 2021 18: 44
                  +1
                  As you can tell, before he came of age, the regents ruled, most likely his parents. Anton Braungschweisky seems to be not bad, but a stranger. But Anna Leopoldovna ...
                  1. Sugar Honeyovich
                    Sugar Honeyovich 9 May 2021 02: 49
                    0
                    This does not change matters.
                    1. Senior seaman
                      Senior seaman 9 May 2021 12: 46
                      0
                      I'm about
                      Quote: Unknown
                      Yes, Karl Peter Ulrich actually happened to be on the throne. Elizabeth was also not from a great mind, either a German, or a Swede to Russia to the kingdom

                      Not the fact that the Braunschweig-Mecklenburg grafting on the Romanov tree would have been more successful.
                      1. Sugar Honeyovich
                        Sugar Honeyovich 9 May 2021 15: 01
                        0
                        Yes, not a fact. But here we are talking about something else.
    2. Van 16
      Van 16 8 May 2021 07: 22
      +8
      "Analogies are so straight into the eye"

      That's right to the point. I read the article, but for some reason Raisa Maksimovna stood before my eyes.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 08: 39
        +5
        Quote: Van 16
        "Analogies are so straight into the eye"

        That's right to the point. I read the article, but for some reason Raisa Maksimovna stood before my eyes.

        Troika travels across Russia
        Raika Mishka Perestroika
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 8 May 2021 07: 34
      +4
      Quote: Unknown
      In Russia, henpecked people have never been held in high esteem

      From time immemorial, women have ruled the World. Parable:

      “When God made a man and a woman, he settled them together in the same house. A man and a woman were equal in strength, and if they started a fight, it always ended in a draw.

      One day a man decided: “We must go and talk to God. I’m tired of fighting a woman I can’t defeat. ” And he went to heaven and stood before God.

      - Lord, - said the man, - no one will help the man but you. You know how to light the stars in the sky, so show me mercy. Please, Lord, give me more strength so that I can defeat a woman. After all, you will not descend from heaven to earth every time to establish peace between us. Give me more strength and I'll put things in order myself. Just a little bit!

      - Well, - said God, - from now on you will be stronger than a woman.

      And the man ran straight home from the sky. He had barely reached the house when he shouted:

      - Woman, now I am your master! God gave me strength, and now you have to obey me!

      The woman began to fight him, but he overpowered her. She tried again, and again he overpowered her. And the third time he defeated her. The man was very proud.

      - Behave yourself, or I'll ask you! The woman was very angry.

      - We'll see! - she said. And the next day she herself went to God.

      - Lord, please, give me a little more strength.

      - You received all the power in full, - said God. - And I already gave the man a supplement.

      - How so? After all, now he can easily defeat me, but earlier he could not. Please, Lord, give me as much as he did, or take away from him the extra.

      - What I gave, I do not take back. You have to come to terms with this.

      And the woman went home very angry. On the way, she met the devil and told him what her trouble was.

      “Listen to me, and everything will turn out for the better,” said the devil. - Smooth out the wrinkles, do not frown, but rather turn around and return to God. Ask him for the keys that hang on the nail near the door. Then come with them to me, and I will teach you what to do.

      And the woman returned to heaven again.

      - Woman, - God said, already starting to get angry, - what else do you want?

      - Oh my God! Ruler of the rainbow and heaven and all the stars of heaven!

      - I ask, woman, what do you want?

      - Give me the keys from that nail!

      - Take it and don't bother me anymore!

      The woman took the keys and ran to the devil.

      - So, you got three cherished keys? - said the devil.

      “Yes, here they are,” the woman said.

      “These three keys,” said the devil, “if you use them correctly, will bring you more power and strength than a man has and will. Use the first key to lock the kitchen door. Men think about food first. The second key is for the bedroom. Lock it up. A man will be unhappy if he is not allowed into the bedroom. He loves to sleep. And the third, last, key for the room where you rock your baby's cradle. Lock her up too. Men are attached to their children, they want to see their offspring grow. Take your keys and go home now.

      And the devil added more:

      - Remember: do not open the doors until the man learns to use his power at your direction and to your joy.

      The woman ran home and did everything as was told. Returning home, the man found her on the doorstep. Swaying, she sang, "Take this tree and hollow out the cradle."

      When the man discovered that the three doors, which had always been wide open, were now suddenly locked, he boiled with anger, like water in puddles in the sun. First, he tried to knock them out, hoping for his strength. He failed, and he shouted:

      - Who locked these doors, woman? Where did the keys come from?

      - God gave them to me.

      - Oh, I will not tolerate this! - he yelled and ran to God.

      - The woman locked food from me, and my child, and my bed. She said you gave her the keys.

      - Yes I. She asked me for them, and the devil taught her how to use them.

      - Lord! Give me the keys too, so I can unlock these doors.

      “I can't do that,” God said to the man. - What I gave, I gave. I gave the woman the keys, and let her have the keys. You must go and ask the woman to unlock the doors for you herself.

      The man returned home, but he could not force the woman to unlock the doors, no matter how hard he tried. Then he asked her, he begged her for a long time and did whatever she pleased, and finally she unlocked the doors. But this was not enough for the man. He said to the woman:

      - Let's share! You will give me half of the keys, and I will give you half of my strength.

      “Well, I have to think,” the woman said. She sat down and began to think. At that time, the devil looked through the window to her.

      - Don't agree, woman! He whispered. - Let him have the strength, and you have the keys. Remember once and for all: when autumn flies fly, a cow cannot do without a tail!

      And the deal did not take place.

      Since then, a man has had to restrain his strength if he wants to get along with a woman.

      That is why the man gives in and the woman stands her ground. "
      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh 8 May 2021 10: 19
        +1
        An interesting parable.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 8 May 2021 10: 43
          0
          Quote: Vinnibuh
          An interesting parable.

          Children will grow up, attraction with age will fade away, but you always want to eat.

          An intelligent woman, as long as she has the entire set of keys, uses them to develop conditioned and unconditioned reflexes in her husband so that even after the loss of the significance of the first two keys, the man will still serve her as he did the first time.

          Whoever has daughters, be sure to tell them this parable with your conclusions, or use mine.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 8 May 2021 06: 28
    -9
    The article is ugly, like the previous one from this cycle - a full set of rumors, gossip and all kinds of dirt, such articles were popular more than a hundred years ago and similar myth-making was printed in tabloid newspapers.
    The so-called notorious society itself was complete degenerates, like aristocrats, those who climbed for sausage and sweets on Khodynka, that those who composed and spread dirty rumors about the Russian empress.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 06: 49
      0
      I don't really like mass events.

      Sometimes I think how much they wanted a holiday for those who went to Khodynskaya Square. What could have done instead.
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 8 May 2021 13: 21
        0
        The audience came for the Tsar's gifts and gifts. In any case, they write that.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 8 May 2021 13: 40
          0
          This is understandable.
          In any case, I am convinced that chaos does not just happen.

          And it is possible for individuals to appreciate the moment when the situation becomes unmanageable.
    2. Old electrician
      Old electrician 8 May 2021 11: 57
      +4
      In 1912, at an audience with the tsar, the chairman of the 3rd State Duma, one of the leaders of the Octobrists, monarchist, large landowner Mikhail Vladimirovich Rodzianko said:
      No amount of revolutionary propaganda can do what the presence of Rasputin in the royal family does. The influence that Rasputin has on church and state affairs is terrifying to all honest people. And the entire state apparatus was put in defense of the rogue, from the top of the Synod to the mass of spies ... An unprecedented phenomenon!

      A.I. Denikin. Essays on the Russian Troubles:
      I remember the impression from one of the Duma assignments, which I got by accident.
      For the first time, Guchkov's warning word about Rasputin was heard from the Duma rostrum:
      - Our country is not happy ...
      The Duma hall, until then noisy, fell silent, and every word, quietly spoken, was clearly audible in the distant corners. Something dark, catastrophic hung over the measured course of Russian history ...
      I will not delve into the dirt that covered both the ministerial chambers and the intimate royal chambers, where the dirty, cynical "lamp-burner" who "kept up" ministers, rulers and rulers had access.
      All sorts of options about Rasputin's influence penetrated the front, and the censorship collected a huge amount of material on this topic even in soldiers' letters from the army in the field.
      But the most startlingly impressed was the fateful word:
      - Treason.
      It referred to the empress.
      In the army, loudly, not embarrassed by either place or time, there was talk about the empress's insistent demand for a separate peace, about her betrayal against Field Marshal Kitchener, about whose trip she allegedly informed the Germans, etc.
      Reliving the past with my memory, given the impression made in the army by the rumor about the betrayal of the empress, I believe that this circumstance played a huge role in the mood of the army, in its attitude to both the dynasty and the revolution
      General Alekseev, to whom I asked this painful question in the spring of 1917, answered me somehow vaguely and reluctantly:
      - When analyzing the empress's papers, we found a map with a detailed designation of the troops of the entire front, which was made only in two copies - for me and for the sovereign. This made a depressing impression on me. You never know who could use it ...
      Say no more. Changed the conversation ...

      French Ambassador to Petrograd, Maurice Paleologue:
      The people, having learned the day before yesterday of Rasputin's death, triumphed. People hugged on the street, went to put candles in the Kazan Cathedral. When it became known that Grand Duke Dmitry was among the murderers, the crowd rushed to put candles in front of the icon of St. Dmitry.
      The murder of Gregory is the only subject of conversation in the endless tails of women, waiting in the rain and wind at the doors of butcher's and grocery stores for the distribution of meat, tea, sugar, etc.
      They tell each other that Rasputin was thrown into the Neva alive and approve of this with the proverb: "a dog's death to a dog." Another popular version: “Rasputin was still breathing when he was thrown under the ice into the Neva. This is very important, because in this way he will never be a saint. "
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 8 May 2021 12: 27
        -2
        Quote: Old electrician
        one of the leaders of the Octobrists, monarchist, large landowner Mikhail Vladimirovich Rodzianko said

        Quote: Old electrician
        A.I. Denikin

        Quote: Old electrician
        French Ambassador to Petrograd, Maurice Palaeologus

        Well, you and the company have gathered, a rabble or corrupt, or foreign spiteful critics.
        It is a pity that all these gentlemen managed to safely hide from the humane proletarian court.
        1. Old electrician
          Old electrician 10 May 2021 11: 32
          0
          You are absolutely right! Alexandra Fedorovna and her henpecked husband headed the dung heap, which was the country's elite at that time. By definition, there were no decent people among them. By the way, 100 years later we have exactly the same elite.
    3. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 12: 57
      +11
      Quote: bober1982
      The so-called notorious society itself was complete degenerates, like aristocrats, those who climbed for sausage and sweets on Khodynka, that those who composed and spread dirty rumors about the Russian empress.

      So the article is about that. Or do you want to say that in a society of degenerates suddenly appeared, sprouted by itself, a "scarlet flower" in the form of Nicholas with his wife? This does not happen and, unfortunately, it was not. Nikolai was the most typical representative of this "society".
  • 210ox
    210ox 8 May 2021 06: 56
    +4
    Ugh. A pair of rams and a little girl. They drove through the Empire, which the ancestors collected for more than one century.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 8 May 2021 07: 40
    +7
    “We Russians,” she wrote, referring not to the people, but to the aristocrats, “too often blame others for our misfortune, not wanting to understand that our position is the work of our own hands, we are all to blame, especially the upper classes. . "
    Tellingly, this phrase has not lost its relevance now.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 May 2021 08: 32
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Tellingly, this phrase has not lost its relevance now.

      "Took the tug, don't say you're not hefty".
      It is so familiar to name the reasons and assign the culprits.
      If the cause is identified, then there must be a recipe for its elimination.
      The reason is in the usurpation of knowledge and hiding it from society, so that those who know a lot could parasitize on those who do not know much.

      1. depressant
        depressant 8 May 2021 12: 33
        +2
        Thanks for the illustration, Boris hi
        I examined it carefully. Yes, globalization is what it is.
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 12: 59
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      the phrase has not lost its relevance now

      But, pay attention, you can understand and feel it only in exile, having lost everything. Before that, it just doesn't work.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 8 May 2021 08: 09
    +6
    Good morning everyone!
    And the article and so far comments like light. No one dares to draw parallels with the present day. And this is the applied meaning of history.
    I haven't heard songs for a long time - like:
    "now I want someone like Putin

    One like Putin, full of strength
    Such as Putin, so as not to drink
    Such as Putin, so as not to offend
    Such as Putin, so as not to run away "

    "And in the open field the Grad system,
    Putin and Stalingrad are behind us. "
    And if we do, we can take them as a mockery.
    In addition to conclusions, actions should also follow.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 08: 43
      +2
      From the city of Tallinn we know better what to do. what
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 8 May 2021 08: 57
        0
        Probably.
        "Face to face Faces can not be seen."
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 May 2021 12: 01
          +3
          Yes, you sho? lol
          And do you know how things work in Russia and what is Putin's role in this? ))
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 8 May 2021 12: 25
            +9
            You are a Jew living in the Russian Federation, I am a Russian living in Estonia.
            I hope you are interested or worried about what is happening in Israel, and I am worried about what is happening in Russia.
            I am sure that you, like me, did not want Putin's time to end, like the reign of Nicholas II.
            And to sneer that "you know better from Tallinn" is not solid.
            I do not separate myself from Russia. My parents are buried at the Volkovskoye cemetery in St. Petersburg. A son and a sister live in St. Petersburg.
            So, I will write what I consider necessary.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 8 May 2021 12: 47
              +4
              As a Jew, I would be the last one who forbids you to express your opinion hi
              In order for the Putin era to end, like the reign of Nicolas, an equivalent PMA cataclysm is needed, and the GDP, after all, is not Niki.
              What do you mean not solid? In which case, you will remain at your place of work outside the zone of redistribution of power and subsequent changes, most of which will not be for the better, incl. for sister and child. And if Putin is replaced by pseudo-patriotic forces, then I would not guarantee your safety even in Estonia.
              I can argue with Russian liberals, communists and nationalists about the ways to achieve "prosperity of Russia", but we speak "the same language" with them, eat one shit and enjoy plus or minus the same advantages.
              You, being in another country, in a rather categorical form, are calling for a change of power, without living what is happening in Russia, having rather superficial information about what is happening. Therefore, I advise you to live here for a year, and then orient yourself with calls of this kind. yes
              1. Liam
                Liam 8 May 2021 13: 14
                +4
                Quote: Krasnodar
                In order for the Putin era to end like the reign of Nicolas, a cataclysm equivalent to PMA is needed

                In 1991, everything happened without any disasters equivalent to PMA. hi
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 May 2021 13: 50
                  +5
                  Greetings! hi
                  1991 - the guys from the republican communist parties monetized socialist property, a completely different story. And even then - Gorbachev and his comrades were not executed, the Civil War arose during the division of power in Moldova and Tajikistan, as well as during the division of land in Karabakh. And, of course, in Georgia. And then - the consequences of the violation of "food chains" claimed many, many lives. He was in Russia itself in 1993, and ended with the suppression of Yeltsin's competitors.
                  The situation is different now.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 8 May 2021 15: 28
                    +4
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Now the situation here is different

                    Come on, a single power lasting several decades with inevitable stagnation and accumulation of many discontent in authoritarian states rarely ends without social and political upheavals.
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    socialist property,

                    As if the division of quasi-capitalist state property is going on differently)
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 17: 28
                      +2
                      Come on, a single power lasting several decades with inevitable stagnation and accumulation of many discontent in authoritarian states rarely ends without social and political upheavals.

                      Well, in non-authoritarian Israel, too, a lot of discontent has accumulated against Natanyahu, who has sat on the throne since the mid-XNUMXs)) The question is how critical is discontent, or how unbearable life is
                      As if the division of quasi-capitalist state property is going on differently)

                      Theoretically - you can be honest))))
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 8 May 2021 18: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        non-authoritarian Israel

                        The key word is authoritarian. The electors themselves decided how long to rule, in real elections and not their imitation. This is not counting the differences between the role of the prime minister in Israel and the president in the Russian Federation. How many times did Netanyahu change the Constitution for himself?).

                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Theoretically - you can be honest))))

                        The fair (or fair) division is a conceptual area, the main problem is that what is fair for one person is dishonest for many others. So it's better and safer for everyone to share according to the law).
                        And in 1991 the division was quite peaceful. 1/6 of the land was divided with practically no blood. Nevertheless, as one well-known political figure of our time put it, it was the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
                        Countries fall apart without world wars
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 18: 29
                        +2
                        1) Israel has no constitution
                        2) Quite right - honestly and legally hi Anyway, a cataclysm, a completely paternalized population gets a free (and lawless) free market.
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 8 May 2021 18: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Israel has no constitution

                        Formally, no. As in the World Bank. And there is a constitutional system. Because there are all separate basic laws that make up separate chapters of the Constitution. They are simply not combined into a separate document called Constitution. Pure formalism. And Netanyahu did not change a single law regulating the activities and powers of the prime minister for himself. Yes, no one would allow him. Also I am an autocrat, running every 6 months to the elections, and in the intervals between them 24/7 begging for the votes of some marginals in parliament for creation of government)
                        All over the world, the terms of the president are limited, but nowhere are the terms of the premiership limited. And there is an explanation for this because there are fundamental differences between the two functions. So the argument about Netanyahu or Merkel is sheer craftiness for those who are not particularly literate)
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 23: 23
                        0
                        The Israeli Constitution - it should be. The heads of state have changed these basic laws to suit their interests, having secured (bought) votes of support for, as you correctly noted, marginal parties.
                        Well, what's the difference how he remains in power - through parliamentary manipulations and undercover intrigues, or by taking an outright controlling position in parliament - the result is only one - 12 years of rule laughing
                        Natantyahu, Merkel, Putin - I can't say anything about Frau Chancellor I was not interested in the topic at all, Putin and Bibi - each remain in power in their own way. Here is Lee Kwang Yoo, who is really a dictator - yes, he was practically a monarch fellow
                  2. ee2100
                    ee2100 9 May 2021 11: 45
                    +1
                    Wars accompany mankind constantly and why no one can say so. This is an integral part of the culture of relationships.
                    After each war, society takes a step back.
                    There is a version that the population is regulated in this way.
        2. ee2100
          ee2100 8 May 2021 13: 27
          +6
          I'm not particularly worried about my safety. For relatives, yes.
          From 2006 to 2017 I worked in St. Petersburg and I don't need to advise me where and how to navigate.
          This year I have been to Russia 2 times. In St. Petersburg and Nizhny, Moscow.
          And where did you find that I "call for a change of power"?
          Next time I plan for the beginning of June.
          Don't worry about me. laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 8 May 2021 14: 06
            +2
            That's right - you have nothing to worry about yours as long as Putin is in power. laughing
            And it is preferable for relatives to experience changes in the political plan in an evolutionary, not revolutionary way. yes
            So I do not advise you anything - I just write that being in Tallinn to call for action to change the government in another country, without risking absolutely anything, is an action equivalent to that performed by Navalny's team, substituting the youngsters under the riot police's batons. I am aware that you and him have completely different weight categories, but still)).
            At the same time, a minuscule risk - you will be able to pull your own (probably) out to you, if Th.
            Have you been to the Russian Federation 2 times? Cool. Create your party, just in early June lol
            Are you not calling for a change of government?
            What is this?
            Putin and Stalingrad are behind us. "
            And if we do, we can take them as a mockery.
            In addition to conclusions, actions should also follow.

            So, philosophical and dialectical discourse? ))
            Why should I worry about you? laughing You are a citizen of an EU country, treatment (God forbid) under insurance in Germany (if you have done normal), education of children (if relevant) at the Sorbonne, etc. It is for us, sir and miserable, political perturbations are terrible repeat
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 8 May 2021 17: 48
              +2
              There is no desire to comment on your horror. Do you think that if a country is in the EU, then everyone lives in chocolate? I won't even write about it. In Sarbon, if I'm not mistaken, education is free.
              You connected the quote with the lines from the song, "In addition to conclusions, actions should also follow." refers to the commented article.
              What and how to act is decided by everyone and no one, he is not going to "pull out" against his will.
              I am amazed at your ability to read between the lines "there is an action equivalent to that produced by Navalny's team, substituting the youngsters under the riot police's batons" What are you trying to persist with yourself?
              Maybe it's time to slow down?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 8 May 2021 17: 55
                +2
                1) Knowing the example of Greece - it is clear that no hi
                2) Quite right - the Sorbonne is free, but there are quotas for citizens of EU countries
                3) That's right - they were connected to you, that's why I understood how to call to action
                4) incitement to action after the conclusion that the song about Putin is no longer cake laughing
                And about the jargon "masters of life" such as what you consume at home - nothing. Before a heart attack - everything except natural and synthetic opiates lol
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 8 May 2021 18: 24
                  +3
                  In Greece, the minimum pension is 2 times the minimum pension in Estonia.
                  Everyone chooses where to study. Only today there was a conversation about how one guy from Norway, an acquaintance of our friend, went to finish his master's degree in China. it's cheaper than Norway.
                  You missed my thesis that history has an applied meaning and conclusions and actions are all related to power.
                  Yes, now there are no songs about Putin.
                  Jargon from the "masters of life" would sound like this: "what do you use at your place." I turned specifically to you "that you are at home ..."
                  Feel the difference?
                  I hope it wasn't your sobriety that made you so angry?
                  At the expense of a heart attack, I'm sorry.
                  A friend named Yosif was hospitalized with a stroke 5 days ago.
                  We all walk under the same sky.
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 May 2021 18: 37
                  +2
                  1) Compared to Israel, Greece is about nothing, although Israel is not in the European Union. Compared to Singapore - Israel is about nothing, although also not in the EU lol
                  2) It depends on why he needs an MA and depending on which university in China - there are really prestigious ones in China and life there is much cheaper than Norwegian
                  3) I express my deepest apologies for this misunderstanding. hi
                  4) The masters of life need to answer this - and there is what? laughing
                  5) She, damn .. am All troubles from sobriety
                  6) Oh, thanks! I myself went nuts - at 42 I had a heart attack ... in the department I saw the guys after a heart attack at the age of 28-29, they let go repeat
                3. ee2100
                  ee2100 8 May 2021 19: 04
                  +1
                  We will not talk about health, otherwise we will call something else.
                  Across Norway. Today we sat at dinner and started talking about children and a friend of my wife said that her son, a business friend from Norway, had gone to study in China because it's very expensive in Norway, but it's just a matter of mentality. The Norwegian lady is not sooooo poor, but it is customary for them - I graduated from school and let’s be self-sufficient.
                4. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 9 May 2021 01: 30
                  0
                  Quote: ee2100
                  We will not talk about health, otherwise we will call something else.
                  Across Norway. Today we sat at dinner and started talking about children and a friend of my wife said that her son, a business friend from Norway, had gone to study in China because it's very expensive in Norway, but it's just a matter of mentality. The Norwegian lady is not sooooo poor, but it is customary for them - I graduated from school and let’s be self-sufficient.

                  Plus or minus, like in Israel - only there are three more years of the army, a couple with your mother support you
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 00: 55
                0
                at the age of 42 I had a heart attack ... in the department I saw the guys after a heart attack at the age of 28-29, they let go
                In England, the average age for a heart attack dropped below 40, and the cocaine content in the Thames rose exponentially at the same time.
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 01: 31
                +2
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                at the age of 42 I had a heart attack ... in the department I saw the guys after a heart attack at the age of 28-29, they let go
                In England, the average age for a heart attack dropped below 40, and the cocaine content in the Thames rose exponentially at the same time.

                I am moving laughing
              4. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 01: 39
                0
                I am moving
                Are there any luminaries of medicine in clinics in Germany and / or Israel that transplant gills? wassat ?
              5. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 01: 51
                +1
                Such, I think, are available only in China laughing Any whim for your money, in the sense
              6. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 01: 54
                +2
                Already got sick No. I don't appreciate the Chinese quality.
              7. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 01: 55
                +1
                Wouldn't it be better to use a filtering machine for ... water? laughing
              8. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 02: 03
                0
                Here again a bobble - the Thames takes out about 8 kilograms per day - and it is necessary to filter 65,8 cubic meters per second - it is not economical. It's easier to send a plane.
                https://www.pureh2o.co.uk/cocaineriverthames/
              9. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 02: 42
                +1
                Great are your miracles, L-rd))
                This is how many people in the toilet the goods are flushed during the raids?
                Concentrations of the illicit drug in samples taken at a monitoring station near the Houses of Parliament were so high, they “lay outside of the quantifiable range”, inews reports.

                Here are the same workaholics laughing
              10. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 02: 53
                0
                It is not only about round-ups - a significant part of the product is excreted by the kidneys in an undigested form and is not captured by the treatment plant. How much it is used is not known exactly ..
                And at the Parliament and above, there are quite a lot of very expensive apartments. Something like this.
              11. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 02: 57
                +2
                I read it already - like so much from urine fellow
                It is so necessary to sit tightly on the coconut throughout the capital of Chukotka for it to become sensitive ..
              12. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 03: 08
                +1
                Well yes. Now here it is no longer a symbol of prosperity - I knew office hamsters who had enough to have fun with their paychecks.
              13. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 03: 30
                +1
                The question is the amount consumed, and the quality))
              14. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 12: 16
                +1
                Here it is literally a folk drug. Due to the good incomes of the population, the so-called "salts" - derivatives of valerones and "speed" - phenethylamines (very valued in the post-Soviet expanses) are popular here only among scum. For the rest, there are flights from South America.
              15. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 9 May 2021 18: 03
                +1
                I can only welcome such a standard of living good
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 12: 07
    +1
    https://www.uib.no/en/education/109728/norway-offers-tuition-free-quality-education#:~:text=Public%20universities%20in%20Norway%20do,attractive%20country%20for%20foreign%20students.
    In Norway, education is paid for by their oil and gas deposits. My Norwegians also told me this. So that
    one guy from Norway, an acquaintance of our friend, went to finish his master's degree in China because it's cheaper than Norway.
    either something is confusing or does not exist.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 May 2021 18: 04
    +1
    He meant that living in Norway is more expensive than in China, and parents after 18-TI give a kick in the ass (figuratively)
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 20: 14
    +1
    living in Norway is more expensive than in China
    China will not pay a Norwegian university - this time. If you compare Shanghai and Beijing with the cities of Norway, it is not so expensive these days. In a word, the version does not converge.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 May 2021 22: 50
    +1
    MA - the question is whether it is paid in Norway, we are talking about the Master's degree. In addition, in Norway they count pennies, so anything is possible.
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 9 May 2021 22: 54
    +1
    Well, in the material on the link, the poor Spanish student is the MA that gets it for free in Bergen. Our Estonian commentator is obviously manipulating the truth, as British parliamentarians say.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 10 May 2021 08: 41
    +1
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    Well, in the material on the link, the poor Spanish student is the MA that gets it for free in Bergen. Our Estonian commentator is obviously manipulating the truth, as British parliamentarians say.

    Or norg for MA went somewhere in the Chinese province - it is also possible request
  • ee2100
    ee2100 8 May 2021 13: 43
    +4
    I'm running away, next time we'll debate!
    All health and success!
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: ee2100
      I'm running away, next time we'll debate!
      All health and success!

      hi shalom-shalom, we are tutu fellow
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 8 May 2021 18: 30
        +1
        Albert, you threw it off the chain, to the delight of local hamsters and hamsters. Not good, as a senior comrade, I sincerely condemn. negative
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 9 May 2021 01: 31
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Albert, you threw it off the chain, to the delight of local hamsters and hamsters. Not good, as a senior comrade, I sincerely condemn. negative

          Already apologized to a worthy person
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 9 May 2021 11: 33
            +1
            Well, I did the right thing. drinks
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 8 May 2021 10: 17
    +3
    Good morning!

    And the parallels are drawn anyway.
    Only very multidimensional figures.
    As Barry Commoner used to say, "Everything is connected to everything."
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 8 May 2021 11: 56
      +4
      Multidimensional but commensurate (comparable)?
      Commoner also argued that nature chooses the best.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 8 May 2021 12: 02
        +4
        Yes. These are two of his aphorisms.

        We are each from our bump and try to imagine - and how is it better.

        "Happiness for everyone, for nothing, and let no one leave offended" (c).
        1. depressant
          depressant 8 May 2021 12: 48
          +4
          This refrain of the Strugatskys is understood by our ruling class in its own way.
          Since, according to the law of happiness, it is impossible to make everyone happy, for the happiness of one is made at the expense of the unhappiness of another, why not make at least one small group of people happy? This will require not so much happiness, and an amount of equal amount of unhappiness, evenly distributed over the entire population, will make that population not very unhappy, and it, the population, will endure.
          The trouble is that the group of the happy grows, remaining numerically much smaller than the population.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 May 2021 13: 34
            +2
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, do you think happiness has some limited scope?
            1. depressant
              depressant 8 May 2021 14: 46
              +3
              Sergei, I don't think so. This is what the ruling class thinks, meaning by the amount of happiness produced by the "economy" of Russia. But what's true is true. Hungry, having received a random meal, is happy, but not for long. Hungry, he is hungry again. Useful state of the working mass for the steering mechanism.
              In fact, happiness is a subtle state of realization of plans based on one's own natural capabilities. The task of the control mechanism is to reduce the plans of the working mass to the extraction of a random piece of food.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 8 May 2021 14: 48
                +2
                But do you have broader plans?
                1. depressant
                  depressant 8 May 2021 15: 35
                  +5
                  My plans, other than the search for a random piece of food, could only arise because I am a man of a bygone era. And the new era, not being able to cancel the old plans, supplements them with its own ... finding a random piece of food! Confidently canceling, sorry for the tautology, confidence that tomorrow there will be a piece)))
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 15: 50
                    +3
                    Where do you think the border of eras is?

                    And the younger generation can do something too. Not so little.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 8 May 2021 16: 59
                      +3
                      There are no epoch boundaries. Only some of them in a given set of laws receive an expression that must be fulfilled in a given period of historical time. Despite the fact that the old, supposedly gone era continues to live for itself, realizing itself mentally, that is, in the habits and consciousness of people. Causing resistance to the new. Take at least the same autocracy. Did it go somewhere? The names and structures of power bodies, the forms of labor organization have changed, but what was the rejection! And this is along with the acceptance of the ideas of socialism by a powerful formation of new generations. Who were killed in a terrible war. And now everything is returning to square one, being combined with one way or another emerging era of socialism. I am sure that if at least one legitimate heir to the throne of the Romanovs were alive, a powerful movement of supporters of monarchism would have arisen in the country, provided the applicant is reasonable and patriotic. And, perhaps, the people would support. Because the hypocrisy of a mixed era, made up of the two mentioned, and the third is such that the ruling class is the heir to the Sicilian clans, this hypocrisy is already pretty fed up. We need to be determined.
                    2. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 09
                      +2
                      Hypothetically, it is not such a bad idea to assume that the Council will elect a new monarch. But where do you get a compelling unifying figure?
                    3. depressant
                      depressant 8 May 2021 19: 58
                      +3
                      Sergey, I hope this is a rhetorical question)))
                      As for me, I believe that the confusion of three eras, one of which is the power of criminals, does not contribute to the advancement of powerful uniting figures. Three epochs - capitalism, crime and socialism - by their combination crush any strong personality capable of taking on the burden of responsibility for the country. And she will not appear, this worthy strong personality. In a toxic environment, perhaps a mutant. These appeared and are found.
                    4. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 8 May 2021 21: 11
                      +1
                      Yes. It would be surprising if you could provide an answer.
                      Although it would be interesting what historical figures you could take as a model.
  • Mike_E
    Mike_E 8 May 2021 12: 33
    +1
    There are no parallels. Even the bronzeness of the present stems from other roots.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 13: 02
    +5
    We’ll better discuss Putin in another section ... and without me.
    I suggest not to dirty the branch.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 14: 10
      +2
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      We’ll better discuss Putin in another section ... and without me.
      I suggest not to dirty the branch.

      I look forward to hearing from you on this topic. laughing
      Welcome hi
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 15: 03
        +4
        Welcome.
        An article about Putin? No, it’s unlikely. laughing
        We don't need such a holivar. smile
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 8 May 2021 15: 33
          +4
          And it would be interesting.
          If everyone appreciated these twenty years in their area of ​​expertise, it would be very curious.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 May 2021 15: 36
          +5
          It's a pity, Mikhail - 420 comments and "enemies of the communists"))
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 16: 54
            +3
            Quote: Korsar4
            It would be interesting.

            Quote: Krasnodar
            It's a pity, Mikhail

            Do you guys want a political shit? laughing
            Yes, there is as much of him as you like in the district, who's stopping you? I only ask you not to come here with him! In any section - please, you will be welcomed with open arms, you can even frolic at Samsonov's, I would not mind, I do not read it.
            Well, I’ll write an article about Putin, it will (maybe) be published, the poor warhamsters will come in comments and turn the “prayer into a farce” instantly and irrevocably. Half of them will not understand anything written, the other half will misunderstand everything. Adequate people, having seen the title and topic, will not even read it at all. I, anyway, would not.
            You still invite me to write an article about Ukraine! laughing
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 8 May 2021 17: 30
              +2
              Here! Putin and Ukraine in the light of the internal conflict of the Russian civilization of the Slavic-Aryans (haplogroup Ras1)
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 18: 50
                +2
                Well, we'll discuss this anyway, right here ...
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 May 2021 19: 18
                  +1
                  The descendants of the Kh'Aryans, having colonized the second Earth's Moon, invited the Svyatorossians as a guard. After mixing the RAS, they moved to Earth, naming their capital city after the name of the common gallogroup - XYEV.
                  X - Caspian Levites, Y - descendants of Belarusian Brahmans, E - ancestors of Iranian Geisha and V - means Vendetta.
                  Dew and d'Arias meanwhile created Yuzhno-Butovsk with the capital in Novo-Ogorevo. And so, one fine day, not sharing the basic values ​​of a civilization of goodness, service and a five-year plan, alternative to the Reptilians, in four years, they quarreled, which is why one Greek peninsula moved to permanent residence closer to Ust-Labinsk ...
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 19: 58
                    +2
                    laughing
                    No comments, except that MF is now intolerant to use. It should be like this: "moved to ПР1Р2", in the sense of "parent 1 parent 2", and the replacement of the digital index of any parent is allowed within indefinite limits. I leave "P" at your discretion, since I myself go to drink beer with delicious fish and from that moment I pass into the category of readers. smile
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 23: 12
                      +1
                      Bon appetit! hi
            2. Mike_E
              Mike_E 8 May 2021 19: 06
              +4
              I would definitely not read your article about Putin. For this there are more "gifted" authors))
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 8 May 2021 19: 19
                +1
                Everyone has the right to write an article and everyone has the right not to read it. laughing
                Thank you for your understanding. hi
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 May 2021 23: 13
                  0
                  Elegantly said good laughing
                  1. Richard
                    Richard 9 May 2021 02: 47
                    +3
                    I do not argue elegantly, but it would be much more correct:
                    Everyone has the right to write an article and only one Samsonov has the right not to print it (c)

                    So, in any case, you will only have to read what is laid out
                  2. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 9 May 2021 10: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Elegantly said

                    Thanks, if I'm not mistaken, Mark Twain. smile
                2. Mike_E
                  Mike_E 9 May 2021 10: 13
                  0
                  Certainly. Only in this equation you have lost the censor, which can significantly affect, at least, the rights of the reader))
  • north 2
    north 2 8 May 2021 08: 25
    -1
    I would like to start the commentary with the question - why was it not for the Teacher to make a film about how Misha Tagged Raiku filled up in the hayloft, about the Teacher climbed into the bed of Emperor Nicholas II with his film? I mean that even the communists of the times of the USSR did not shed so much dirt on the Russian Tsars, as they are pouring on the Tsars and Tsar families now under the democrats in today's Russia.
    And if in the family and surrounded by the weak statesman Nicholas II, not everyone loved Alexandra Fedorovna, then this does not mean that Alexandra Fedorovna should have acted with her husband the same way as with her husband, also a weak statesman Peter the Third, Ekaterina Alekseevna did. .And the difference here is not only that she loved her husband Alexander, but Catherine did not love her husband. The difference is also in the state of the elites, because during the time of Catherine the elite were dissatisfied with the weak Tsar because he bowed to the West, and at the time of Alexandra the elites were simply bored with happiness that the Tsar was a weak statesman and it was possible in Russia to promote the ideas of Western liberation, called democracy, through Liberal the party of Guchkov and also the Western ideas of Marxism, through the elite of the Bolshevik faction of the RSDLP.
    For some reason, he does not write articles about the elites who preserved and developed the Russian Empire under Ekaterina Alekseevna. And about the elites who threw the power in Russia during the time of Alexandra Fedorovna, like no one an unnecessary rag on the dusty road of History, and the Bolsheviks took this unnecessary power to anyone, he does not write an article about these elites of the liberalism of that time either.
    There is only one conclusion, the same liberals went crazy with happiness when Russia was ruled by a weak statesman Nikolai II and the same liberals were crazy when Russia was ruled by an even weaker statesman Gorbachev. And it's still very interesting what influence the very ambitious and impudent Raika had on the spineless Misha Marked. Write at least once an article about them and about the elite of their entourage, otherwise all the time only about Nicholas II and about Alexandra Fedorovna ..
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 8 May 2021 09: 17
    +7
    Well, the woman is to blame for everything). But seriously, the fall of the empire has so many reasons that the empress is far from in the top ten, even if she smiles at her subjects. Please note that in 18, the German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires collapsed.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 12: 02
      +4
      In 1948, the British is not a profitable business, the empire
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 8 May 2021 13: 50
        +1
        Not sure.
        I admit that empires are quite viable.
        Both Rome and Byzantium existed fairly.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 8 May 2021 14: 11
          +3
          Quote: Korsar4
          Not sure.
          I admit that empires are quite viable.
          Both Rome and Byzantium existed fairly.

          But they fell apart ..
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 May 2021 14: 20
            +1
            What has survived?

            By the way, the Celestial Empire can be considered a stable empire.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 8 May 2021 14: 34
              +1
              As well as the Russian one, for that matter laughing
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 8 May 2021 14: 46
                +1
                Yes. As well as the Russian one.

                Today I am trying to comprehend a little the criteria of the country's stability.
                Several positions:
                1. Territory stability or expansion.
                2. Positive population dynamics.
                3. Development of segments of the population that are beneficial.

                (Only the ideas about the benefits are different for everyone).
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 8 May 2021 14: 50
                  +3
                  1) Sustainability of territories or expansion - many questions.
                  2) Positive dynamics of population growth - if the titular population, of course.
                  3) Benefit, in our case, cutting, contributes to economic growth, incl. through education and HDI positions up. Do I understand correctly?
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 8 May 2021 15: 27
                    0
                    As an option.

                    The line between the titular / non-titular population is not easy to draw.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 8 May 2021 17: 24
                      +3
                      Let's just say: the forming state is like the Russians in the Russian Federation
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 10
                        +1
                        And if not Russians, but Belarusians. Or half-breeds?
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 18: 16
                        0
                        Citizens of the Russian Federation / Born in the Russian Federation / Residents of the Russian Federation, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians (even Poles born and raised in Russia), as well as children from mixed marriages with the above = Russian.
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 18
                        +1
                        This is already wide enough.
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 18: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Korsar4
                        This is already wide enough.

                        Let's narrow down the category - Russian Slavs.
                      5. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 08
                        +1
                        And the Yakuts, for example, are still not counted?

                        I don't really like the separation of the clean from the unclean.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 21: 44
                        +3
                        Yakuts, Jews, Caucasians, Tatars, Bashkirs are equal citizens of the Russian Federation, but not state-forming nations. What has it to do with clean or not clean? laughing
                      7. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 8 May 2021 21: 47
                        +2
                        According to Mayakovsky:

                        “I changed my mind - take the unclean ones,
                        But let's choose the most teetotal
                        And broad shoulders "(c).
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 8 May 2021 18: 26
          +2
          Exactly.
          "If anyone climbed up to me, so is that Tatar." (C)
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 32
            +2
            "Says what kind of graph
            They didn’t let the fifth ”(c).
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 8 May 2021 18: 35
            +2
            Exactly. And then Albert and Alexander grappled with completely senseless ground.
            I can also write a line like this:
            "And Lenin is so young and New October is ahead!"
            And you, what, will you believe that I am absolutely serious? laughing
          3. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 39
            +2
            We did not go beyond the framework.
            In general, to prick with a word at a distance as it should be possible only by hitting a vulnerable spot.
          4. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 8 May 2021 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: Korsar4
            We did not go beyond the framework.
            In general, to prick with a word at a distance as it should be possible only by hitting a vulnerable spot.

            I didn't understand him
            Apologized
            In short ... laughing
          5. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 09
            +1
            Reasonable People will always find a common language.
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 8 May 2021 18: 40
        +2
        Not. I will not believe.
        But the idea of ​​a questionnaire answering classic questions on our forum could lead to a remake of Shirley-Myrley.
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 8 May 2021 19: 01
        +1
        "Does his dad have a dove?" (C)
      4. Korsar4
        Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 21
        +1
        "After all, they are not what we are, right?" (from).
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 8 May 2021 19: 08
      +2
      I have not seen this movie, as, in general, and much more. request
      But you probably meant something that was certainly funny.
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 10
      +2
      The first reaction is dumbfounded. And then with each viewing you begin to appreciate this buffoonery.
    4. Catfish
      Catfish 8 May 2021 19: 21
      +2
      For some reason, "Zhmurki" came to my mind at once, I had about the same attitude, now sometimes I watch it with pleasure.
    5. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 31
      +2
      But this already did not come across to me.
      If you have a little time - look at the cut from "Shirley-Myrley".
      Directly related to some of today's conversations.

      Something Churikov is strongly recommended to me today.
      I’m not going to look at the bourgeoisie about Anton.
    6. Catfish
      Catfish 8 May 2021 19: 37
      +2
      What bourgeois and what Churikova?
    7. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 19: 40
      +2
      Anton recommended the bourgeois film Inception.

      And the network gave me our film with the same name and with Churikova. And before "Shirley-Myrley" they agreed on where she is the main character.
    8. Catfish
      Catfish 8 May 2021 20: 13
      +2
      I saw "The Beginning" with Churikova, I also saw the bourgeois with DiCaprio, completely different films, but I liked both.

    9. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 21: 13
      +2
      Today I watched the first eight minutes of ours. I like it already.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2021 19: 00
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Exactly. And then Albert and Alexander grappled with completely senseless ground.
    I can also write a line like this:
    "And Lenin is so young and New October is ahead!"
    And you, what, will you believe that I am absolutely serious? laughing

    And the fight begins again
    And the heart is anxious in the chest fellow
    And who knows you, tankers? negative
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2021 19: 06
    +1
    And who knows you, tankers?

    Original author:
    "The armor is strong and our tanks are fast,
    Although drunken tankers are sitting in them. "
    (joke) drinks laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2021 21: 52
    +1
    I don't know much about tankers. Those who were in the M-60 crews at the time of my imprisonment were called chips, meaning deep-fried fries. Merkavnikov was also called something, I don't remember how, but it was also related to the consequences of the factors of defeat laughing
    And my part was called in abbreviated form - KZSH, that is, "who graduated from high school?" fellow due to the "high" intellectual level of l / s
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2021 22: 58
    +1
    We somehow didn't have any special clicks. Unless the mechanic was called mechanic, or fuel oil, and the loader was called the charger. Yes, the Chinese called our regiment "separate punitive" and it even somehow flattered us a little. smile
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2021 23: 10
    +1
    So, you slapped them laughing
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2021 23: 30
    +1
    They did not participate, they were only present near the border.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 May 2021 00: 44
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    They did not participate, they were only present near the border.

    And they were so afraid of you in advance or gave a designation for their propaganda for the sake of drawing a Maoist parallel with the Japanese militarists?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 11: 30
    0
    And God knows, the east is a dark matter, and even more so in China.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 05: 21
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Yes, the Chinese called our regiment "a separate punitive"

    Not TO-55?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 11: 32
    +1
    No, the 54th Separate Tank Regiment, stationed in the Jewish Autonomous Region, p. Babstovo. hi
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 11: 39
    +1
    I have an uncle on TO-55 (I don't remember part of it) he practiced there .. In Kazakhstan. Once it came to combat use ... The Chinese stole sheep from state farms (whole state farms) and drove them across the pass (on the other side, the ice was covered with reeds and in the appointed time, the “ordinary Chinese” allegedly fleeing from the "horrors of Maoism" drove away the flocks). In general, once again they turned around and zhahnuli ...
    Well, I involuntarily thought - "punishers" ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 11: 44
    +1
    We heard rumors about events in Kazakhstan, but somehow the command did not particularly "itch" to inform subordinates about this. Some rumors. And then Damansky, and every day we expected that it would begin with us. It did not start, the Chinese had enough thrashing on Ussuri.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 11: 45
    +1
    So in Kazakhstan, after this, the dashes and provocations stopped ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 11: 48
    +1
    Yes, lead is a good medicine, even more radical. smile

    Happy Holidays, Matvey! soldier
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Happy Holidays, Matvey!

    And you ... and everyone ...
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Yes, lead is a good medicine, even more radical.

    There was tough lead there ... Uncle told me - they didn't even find bones ... one burnt earth ... But there was a threefold warning "Stop moving" ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 11: 59
    +1
    Yes, and there were also rumors about what was "worse", we even talked about laser weapons.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 12: 05
    +1
    He only told about it once - when he and my father drank deeply for the meeting. laughing
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 12: 08
    +1
    He only told about it once


    About the laser?
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    About the laser?

    Not not not ... about the use of numb tanks ... How could he know about anything else - a simple tank commander ... the son of a mechanic ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 12: 19
    +1
    Thank you smile , all the same, the information is interesting, they did not write about it.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 12: 23
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    the information is interesting, they did not write about it.

    And now it is unlikely that they will write ... and the country is already different ... Although no one would have dared to do this without Moscow's sanction then ... And the uncle also contrived to participate in a tank patrol on the border, when they entered Afghanistan, being a reservist ... .a few months ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 12: 25
    +2
    Afgan and I also got a friend after demobilization, he was a gamekeeper in Kushka, so they raked in to the checkpoint.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 12: 29
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    so they raked me into the checkpoint.

    Not with the border guards in reinforcement?
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 12: 45
    +2
    I will not say for sure, but they were already sitting on the other side of the border, in front of the entrance to some gorge and regular troops were already passing by them. For about a month, then everyone was dismissed.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 9 May 2021 14: 24
    +1
    It looks like the introduction of the technique was covered ... it was just that the Pagrants were all on their nerves - the spirits tried to leak across the border regularly - they tried to arrange sabotage at the border supply warehouses ... they could throw the rangers for reinforcement ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 May 2021 15: 09
    +2
    And so it was, I guess. There are deserted places, as my friend told me, a nature reserve.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2021 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Exactly.
    "If anyone climbed up to me, so is that Tatar." (C)

    The main thing is that Schaub was a good man and not a Jew. negative
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2021 19: 09
    +2
    Well ... if you say so ... request
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2021 22: 16
    +1
    This is from the Catechism of the Soviet Jew, which was found during the excavations of the Aryan-Nanai Kurgan in Mirgrad, in the Svarog region
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2021 22: 53
    0
    And whatever the Jews come up with, it is interesting, but what can presumably be found during the excavation of the mausoleum on Red Square, in a thousand years, that way. Although I'm not at all sure that humanity will last that long.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 8 May 2021 23: 09
    +1
    If there are no natural disasters such as the impact of several giant asteroids, then it will last even more, IMHO, because even to completely cut each other out, we will not have enough funds or intelligence.
    And in the Mausoleum they will find "A small burial place of the local Leader of the early 20th century" request
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 May 2021 23: 34
    +1
    "LI Brezhnev is a minor politician of the times of the Mao Zedong era." (Great Chinese Encyclopedia. 3015 edition) laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 9 May 2021 00: 48
    0
    08:00 - ceremonial formation for the performance of the song Aleet Vostok
    (From Alaska Elementary School Schedule 2091).
  • Sayan
    Sayan 8 May 2021 09: 49
    +5
    It is a pity for their children, but the tsar and tsaritsa got what they deserved.
  • Old electrician
    Old electrician 8 May 2021 11: 53
    +3
    After the start of the war, Germany found itself in the conditions of a food blockade and already in 1915 the German queen rushed to help her homeland. She organized a tremendous operation to supply Germany with sugar, cake and other strategic products.
    Sugar supplies to Germany are just the flowers investigated by counterintelligence. Berries are a supply of oilcake, which the counterintelligence was not allowed to investigate at all.
    I explain what the cake is for the First World War. Hay and straw are not suitable for feeding draft and cavalry horses:
    - hay is voluminous, it is difficult to transport it and it is impossible to organize temporary storage, since hay quickly loses calories from interaction with air;
    - The calorific value of straw is extremely low.
    Percheron, fed with rotten straw, must digest it, and therefore is not suitable for work for a long time. Therefore, in all armies of the world, draft and cavalry horses are fed with low-grade grain. For example, oats.
    In the famine of war, all grain, without exception, went to feed the population and the army. The Percherons were left with only rotten straw. There would be a kapets for the German army if the queen had not organized the delivery of cake to Germany.
    The cake is ideal for war:
    - cake tiles are compact, no containers are needed for their transportation and storage, it is enough to cover the tiles from rain;
    - in caloric content, cake is superior to grain and does not lose it for a long time.
    It will not be an exaggeration to say that for the First World War oilcake was the same strategic product as gasoline and diesel fuel for the Second World War.
    In 1915 alone, 30 million poods of refined sugar (492 thousand tons), or one third of its annual production in Russia, arrived in Persia through the Caucasus, Central Asia, and mostly by ships across the Caspian. And this is only what was documented by counterintelligence.
    From Baghdad, sugar and other products went to Turkey, and then through the coveted Bosphorus and Dardanelles to Austria-Hungary and Germany. Several sugar companies were involved in the operation, and the Jewish commissioners "friends" Grishka Rasputin. To save Germany, it was even necessary to reduce the consumption of sugar by the Russian army and the population.
    Here, of course, we are not talking about espionage! After all, the tsarina did not come to Russia in a sealed carriage. Therefore, counterintelligence could only lick its lips at the encirclement of the German woman and Grishka Rasputin.
    In 1916, the command of the Russian army came to the understanding that the main enemy of the autocracy was not revolutionaries, but financial businessmen. Among them stood out a nationally welded cohort of businessmen, brokers, lawyers, newspapermen, etc., connected by business and family ties with Austria-Hungary and Germany. Through Grishka Rasputin, they formed a powerful lobby at the court.
    To combat this scourge, in May 1916, a special operational-investigative commission was created on the basis of the KRO SF, headed by the General Staff, Major General Batyushin.
    10.07.1916/3/6.12.1916 Batyushin began mass arrests. The first to be arrested was Rubenstein, a freemason and financial swindler on both sides of the front. During a search, a secret document from the headquarters of the XNUMXrd Army was found. In wartime, this piece of evidence alone guaranteed the gallows in any belligerent country except Russia. Rubenstein was Grishka Rasputin's "friend", he was close to the tsarina, and on December XNUMX, XNUMX, at the direct insistence of the German woman, "Mitka" was released.
    Austro-Hungarian diplomat Count Ottokar Czernin von und zu Hudenitz:
    In the last days of February 1917, an interesting event took place: on February 26, a gentleman came to me and presented me with evidence that he was a full-fledged representative of one neutral power. He informed me that he was instructed to let me know that the powers at war with us, or at least one of them, are ready to conclude peace with us, and that the conditions of this peace will be favorable for us.
    ...
    My interlocutor could not say anything more, but from the last words it followed that the proposal came from one of the enemy powers without the knowledge of the others.
    I never doubted for a moment that the case was about Russia, and my interlocutor supported my assumption, although he definitely emphasized that he could not assert this.
    ...
    I received no further reply to this second telegram. Seven days later, on March 7th, the king was dethroned. Obviously, on his part, it was about the last attempt to escape, and, quite possibly, if it had taken place a few weeks earlier, then the fate of not only Russia, but the whole world would have taken a different turn.

    The Rubinsteins needed a war. Therefore, when the king started separate negotiations, he was immediately overthrown at the behest of the British Embassy. After that, at the suggestion of Rubinstein, liberal newspapers began to persecute the commission accused of corruption and total repression. The most popular curse was "Tsar's oprichniki".
    8.04.1917/XNUMX/XNUMX on the basis of newspaper accusations (!!!) the entire commission was arrested. It is curious that an investigator was not even assigned to Batyushin.
    In November 1917, the Bolsheviks kicked out this kagal. On his word of honor not to oppose the Soviets, Batyushin was released. He kept the officer's word for a whole year, and then fled to Denikin.
    1. depressant
      depressant 8 May 2021 13: 13
      +1
      Stunning comment, colleague! I read it twice. You have clarified a lot. Dont know...
      By the way, as a child, she held a slice of cake in her hands and even tried to eat. Not nasty, but tough enough.
      Percherons, then. And sugar. So it turns out that the people, considering Alexandra a traitor, were right. Apparently, the information was leaking, you can't hide it ... But what is the scale of the betrayal!
      1. Liam
        Liam 8 May 2021 13: 18
        +4
        Quote: depressant
        Stunning comment, colleague

        Naturally .. especially considering that it is not confirmed by any facts.
        1. Old electrician
          Old electrician 10 May 2021 11: 40
          -1
          What do you mean! Are the official results of the investigation of the special operational-investigative commission headed by the General Staff Major General Batyushin not a fact for you? What is really not confirmed by any facts is the sugary-snotty image of the royal family and the sanctity of the horse thief whip-lecher Grishka Rasputin, who really ruled Russia ..
  • Mike_E
    Mike_E 8 May 2021 12: 28
    +2
    It's interesting for Sarovsky, by the way. Thank you. As always, what is not supposed to be by the Bull ...)) The Ober-Prosecutor without mentioning synodality can confuse (few people will understand by name).
    For the rest, the protruding part of the Englishwoman surprised - with all the desire to shit, the whole event was so greeted with joy in the broadest circles of society that it did not play any decisive role.
    And in general, the story of this unhappy family is an example of how an overestimation of one's own worth can lead to disaster. Both personal and the whole state.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 8 May 2021 13: 45
      +3
      And you will notice - how Seraphim of Sarov and John of Kronstadt are being attacked.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 8 May 2021 14: 07
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    author:
    the people said

    around the country there was a rumorand,

    many assured

    claimed

    rumors spread among the people

    some then remembered

    also said that

    Apparently

    Yeah:
    И like flies, here and there
    Rumors go home
    А coarse-toothed old women carry them home
    They are carried through the minds

    what lovers dung flies, yeah ...

    a deceitful, illiterate, foul-smelling libel against a woman, mother, wife, sister of mercy ROKK, Empress of Russia.

    Alexandra Fedorovna is a highly educated, in many ways talented woman: she spoke four languages, played the piano professionally and sang, perfectly mastered the art of needlework and knitting, had a delicate taste and was a trendsetter.

    Dedicated her life to children, home, family and her new home-Russia at the hardest post-surgical nurse of the infirmary, one of the leaders of the Russian Red Cross Society.

    She organized many additional military hospitals and hospitals, front-line medical institutions and all the infrastructure that ensures the rescue and healing of wounded soldiers: from operational mobile medical military detachments to the most modern medical trains, ships and automobile services at that time. The empress distributed donations for the needs of the war, adapted her palaces in Moscow and Petrograd for hospitals. There, in the palace hospitals, she and her daughters organized courses for nurses and nurses. By the end of the year, there were already 85 military hospitals and 10 ambulance trains under the care of the Empress and the Grand Duchesses.

    She arranged sanitary points in Petrograd for the manufacture of dressing material and medical packages, where women of different classes worked side by side — from the most radiant princesses, wives, sisters and daughters of the Russian army commanders to the wives and daughters of workers who had gone to the front.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 8 May 2021 14: 54
      -4
      the best leading surgeon in Russia -Vera Ignatievna Gedroyts , NOT a lover of autocracy, will write in his diary:
      "I often had to travel together and celebrate during all examinations the serious, thoughtful attitude of all Three to the work of mercy. It was precisely deep, they did not play sisters, as I later had to repeatedly see in many secular ladies, but it was them in the best sense this word ".


      The Empress turned the ENTIRE city of Tsarskoe Selo into the world's largest military medical hospital and rehabilitation center., equipped with the most advanced medical equipment, where the most severe wounded were transported.

      From the diary of Grand Duchess Tatyana Nikolaevna:
      “... There was an operation under local anesthesia for Gramovich, a bullet was removed from his chest. She served tools ... Bandaged Prokosheev of the 14th Finnish Regiment, chest wound, cheek and eye wound. Then I tied up Ivanov, Melik-Adamov, Taube, Malygin ... ”.


      From the diary of Olga Nikolaevna:
      "... Tied up Potches, Garmovich of the 64th Kazan regiment, wound of the left knee, Ilyin of the 57th Novodzin regiment, wound of the left shoulder, after Mgebriev, Poboevsky ...."


      Vyrubova:
      “The Empress and Grand Duchesses were present at all operations. Standing behind the surgeon, Empress, like every operating nurse, served sterilized instruments, cotton wool, bandages, carried away amputated arms and legs, not disdaining anything ... ".

      spiridovich
      “The queen, having begun to care for the sick and wounded, began wash soldiers' feet,

      Etc.

      It was the hardest, selfless labor for the sake of the Fatherland.

      ALL Romanov women took part in the care of the wounded : The Empress and her 4 daughters, her sister, her adopted daughter Maria Pavlovna - a nurse in the front-line infirmary (two St. George medals for bravery)

      Never in the world nothing like this among women, there were no high-ranking officials of states, neither before nor after.


      Against the background of these educated, talented, self-sacrificing women, the women of the following leaders look especially sad: the sterile, limp Lamprey, driven by companions to the embalmed corpse, then a suicide, then a cook, then a housewife, then a hysterical ...
      1. Alex013
        Alex013 8 May 2021 15: 34
        +7
        It was a kind of PR. I read that the wounded had to be re-bandaged after the princesses.
        Quote: Olgovich
        ALL Romanov women took part in caring for the wounded: the Empress and her 4 daughters, her sister, her adopted daughter Maria Pavlovna - a nurse in the front-line infirmary (two St. George medals for bravery)

        There has never been anything like this among women of the highest ranks of states in the world, neither before nor after.
        this is a bit different. For example, about the members of the royal family of England. Of the males, many have fought. From women - to hospitals, work to collect donations. The first thing I remembered was Mary, daughter of George the 5th, etc. etc.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 9 May 2021 09: 10
          -4
          .
          Quote: Alex013
          It was a kind of PR. I read that the wounded had to be re-bandaged after the princesses.

          they say that chickens are milked.

          You are given a DIARY (i.e. not for the public) assessment of the best surgeon in Russia, a strict and independent woman Vera Ignatievna Gedroyts.

          And there is enough dirt in the article.
          Quote: Alex013
          this is a bit different. For example, about the members of the royal family of England. Of the males, many have fought. From women - to hospitals, work to collect donations. The first thing I remembered was Mary, daughter of George the 5th, etc. and so on

          nothing of the kind: the Romanovs, who are fit for service, EVERYONE fought, and Oleg Romanov died in hand-to-hand combat.

          The charity of the Romanovs is a separate article, again, no one has done more.
          1. Alex013
            Alex013 9 May 2021 09: 31
            +1
            Andrey, I understand of course that you are an ardent monarchist. But facts are facts. "They say they milk chickens" - I also sometimes use this saying, but here it is out of place. Charity - it is typical for ALL royal / royal, etc. families in that historical period and later, until today. Maybe the word PR is certainly not appropriate, but what can I do, I wrote it, tk. this is my (and not only) point of view. About Oleg Konstantinovich again inaccuracy. He did not die in hand-to-hand combat, he died of wounds (gunshot) in a hospital in Vilnius (then Vilna) on September 28, 2014. He had all four brothers who fought in the First World War and he is the only one from the Romanov family who died in this war.
            Happy Victory Day to you !!!
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 9 May 2021 21: 07
              0
              Quote: Alex013
              Andrey, I understand of course that you are an ardent monarchist.

              belay lol
              Quote: Alex013
              But facts are facts... "They say they milk chickens" - I also sometimes use this saying, but here it is out of place. Charity - it is typical for ALL royal / royal, etc. families in that historical period and later, until today. Maybe the word PR is certainly not appropriate, but what can I do, I wrote it, tk. this is my (and not only) point of view.

              You have no facts to refute my facts, only gossip.
              Quote: Alex013
              About Oleg Konstantinovich again inaccuracy. He did not die in hand-to-hand combat, he died of wounds (gunshot) in a hospital in Vilnius (then Vilna) on September 28, 2014.

              belay lol
              and where did he get the wounds? He went to ATTACK
              And what does "again" mean?

              Again, you are talking nonsense.
              Quote: Alex013
              Happy Victory Day to you !!!

              Happy Holiday !!!
              1. Alex013
                Alex013 9 May 2021 22: 43
                0
                "... and WHERE did he get wounds? He went to ATTACK
                And what does “again” mean? ”- well, you wrote“ hand-to-hand. ”The first time is not true
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 10 May 2021 06: 40
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                  Quote: Alex013
                  you wrote "hand-to-hand". First time is not true

                  cavalry attack, direct collision of the sides, In hand-to-hand combat, they receive stab-cut, gunshot and other wounds.
                  Quote: Alex013
                  "You have no facts to refute my facts, just gossip." - I duplicate for you - "For example, about members of the royal family of England. From the male sex - many fought. From the female - in hospitals, collecting donations. The first thing I remembered was Mary, daughter of George the 5th, etc., etc. .P."

                  I duplicate for you:
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  ALL Romanov women took part in caring for the wounded: the Empress and her 4 daughters, her sister, her adopted daughter Maria Pavlovna - a nurse in the front-line infirmary (two St. George medals for bravery)

                  There has never been anything like this among women of the highest ranks of states in the world, neither before nor after.

                  Do you catch the difference between EVERYTHING and some?

                  Andrey, I supported your point of view on many issues. But today, about the royal family, I have a diametrically opposite point of view. Well that's ok)

                  Certainly-fine.

                  But you have not proved it.
              2. Alex013
                Alex013 9 May 2021 22: 46
                -1
                "You have no facts to refute my facts, just gossip." - I duplicate for you - "For example, about members of the royal family of England. From the male sex - many fought. From the female - in hospitals, collecting donations. The first thing I remembered was Mary, daughter of George the 5th, etc., etc. .P."
              3. Alex013
                Alex013 9 May 2021 22: 50
                0
                Andrey, I supported your point of view on many issues. But today, about the royal family, I have a diametrically opposite point of view. Well that's ok)
          2. Usher
            Usher 9 May 2021 14: 15
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            .
            Quote: Alex013
            It was a kind of PR. I read that the wounded had to be re-bandaged after the princesses.

            they say that chickens are milked.

            You are given a DIARY (i.e. not for the public) assessment of the best surgeon in Russia, a strict and independent woman Vera Ignatievna Gedroyts.

            And there is enough dirt in the article.
            Quote: Alex013
            this is a bit different. For example, about the members of the royal family of England. Of the males, many have fought. From women - to hospitals, work to collect donations. The first thing I remembered was Mary, daughter of George the 5th, etc. and so on

            nothing of the kind: the Romanovs, who are fit for service, EVERYONE fought, and Oleg Romanov died in hand-to-hand combat.

            The charity of the Romanovs is a separate article, again, no one has done more.

            What kind of fabulous hand-to-hand combat is this? There is no need to hang noodles here.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 9 May 2021 21: 09
              -2
              Quote: Usher
              What kind of fabulous hand-to-hand combat is this? There is no need to hang noodles here

              one noodles have been hanging for you for 70 years.

              And now they open the truth to the dunno of their history.
              1. Usher
                Usher 9 May 2021 21: 12
                +1
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: Usher
                What kind of fabulous hand-to-hand combat is this? There is no need to hang noodles here

                one noodles have been hanging for you for 70 years.

                And now they open the truth to the dunno of their history.

                storyteller
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 10 May 2021 15: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: Usher
                  storyteller

                  I see that you are a storyteller.

                  Only you are at least 35 years late: at the time of the 200% harvest, you would who, throwing up the sands of the past with a steel gallop, makes the tread of history, revealing the next gnashing of teeth of the slanderous enemy, on which the ninth wave is already being thrown, threatening the twelfth hour, the last hour for the servants of the imperialist Moloch, this capitalist Baal, but, despite the mistakes, let them blush, as well as the banners are hoisted at the beacon of industrialization, blazing under the cries of the working people, with which, to the singing of hearts, the dawn of a new life is revealed: forward! ( with) lol laughing
        2. Usher
          Usher 9 May 2021 14: 17
          +3
          Quote: Alex013
          It was a kind of PR. I read that the wounded had to be re-bandaged after the princesses.
          Quote: Olgovich
          ALL Romanov women took part in caring for the wounded: the Empress and her 4 daughters, her sister, her adopted daughter Maria Pavlovna - a nurse in the front-line infirmary (two St. George medals for bravery)

          There has never been anything like this among women of the highest ranks of states in the world, neither before nor after.
          this is a bit different. For example, about the members of the royal family of England. Of the males, many have fought. From women - to hospitals, work to collect donations. The first thing I remembered was Mary, daughter of George the 5th, etc. etc.

          And you yourself could not fold? Why collect donations when the money itself is immeasurable? What kind of hypocrisy? This is called PR and imitation. It's like an English prince who allegedly fought in Afghanistan, yeah, he fought)))) They made fun))))
          1. Alex013
            Alex013 9 May 2021 14: 41
            0
            I just wrote about this. PR in its purest form.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 8 May 2021 16: 19
        +3
        "The cuckoo praises the rooster. For the fact that he praises the cuckoo." This is the only way to characterize your praises. There has always been PR ... and under tsarism too.
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  • Looking for
    Looking for 8 May 2021 16: 08
    -6
    And what. On the eve of the Great Victory Day there was no better theme ?? Or any will do. If only not about the Victory!?!?!?
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    2. Usher
      Usher 9 May 2021 14: 14
      +3
      The bakers perked up. I agree. They remembered the filthy kings and are still studying something.
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  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 8 May 2021 18: 18
    -4
    The duty bucket of slops for the emperor and empress. Well, what's better to kiss the gums of Sverdlov, Trotsky and a whole legion of the same utyrkov. Which gold, silver, pebbles were exported from Russia in trains. And the owners of these treasures were simply destroyed and torn to pieces. You are the author of them, write about them and do not throw mud on normal rulers, they were mistaken only in the fact that it was necessary to physically destroy all these fiery revolutionaries and not give them milk in the casemates. Look how Comrade Stalin treated them. It's a shame it's so late.
    1. north 2
      north 2 8 May 2021 19: 15
      -4
      I agree with you. It was Stalin who saved Russia by straightening all the shoals of the Bolshevik-Leninists. As well as after the Gorbachev state. coup withdrawn from Russia trillions in dollar terms, and after the Lenin state. during the coup, they took out gold, silver and precious stones in trains. Stalin not only brought together virtually all the lands of the dissolved Empire by Lenin, but also turned his back on those who considered Russia in the future a testing ground for the world revolution. Instead of talkers, who tried to get into the elevator of power with their tongues, Stalin, modestly aside, invited talented statesmen, young directors of factories, into this elevator. Therefore, Stalin's industrialization went by leaps and bounds. And what kind of brilliant leaders of the Atomic Project, in the person of Beria and Vlasik, Stalin saw. I can imagine what would have happened to Russia if not Stalin came to power then, but whatever Trotsky, Sverdlov and the like.
      So buckets of slop for Tsars and Emperors and Stalin are always at hand for those who are jarred by the labor of the Greats, who created and recreated the Empire and forbade it to be plundered ..
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 8 May 2021 19: 13
    +2
    Good evening. There was no way to write all day.
    Thanks to Valery, I learned a lot of interesting things.
    I'm not going to justify AF at all, she is to blame for the death of both the empire and her family, but for the sake of justice. Part of the blame must be shared with the hordes of sycophants that thronged at her place.
    She is neurotic, perhaps Olgovich will not agree, but she is also completely alien in Russia.
    And sycophants were on a fig both RI and the Empress. And it's fair to split the blame 50% by 50%
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 May 2021 20: 14
    +2
    The reason for the tragedy at the beginning of the last century is that the future empress was baptized into Orthodoxy as "Alexandra Feodorovna"! With "Maria Feodorovna" this trick did not work. laughing
    Thank you, Valery!
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 May 2021 20: 18
    +1
    “We Russians,” she wrote, referring not to the people, but to the aristocrats, “too often blame others for our misfortune, not wanting to understand that our position is the work of our own hands, we are all to blame, especially the upper classes. . "
    The smartest woman of her generation! Her words are still relevant now.
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  • faterdom
    faterdom 8 May 2021 23: 35
    +3
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    Yes, the fact of the matter is that there was a moment while Mikhal Sergeevich was perceived as the leader of the nation, and even by very intelligent people. But Raisa Maksimovna was always annoyed by this fact.

    What kind of "leader" he was, it became clear very quickly.
    And the fact that all sorts of "intelligent" people praised him, and rejoiced in "perestroika" all sorts of Vitalii Korotichi and other Viktor Suvorovs.
    Then, in general, Kozyrev ruled the Foreign Ministry, and Ostankino ruled Koch, Chubais ruled the country's property.
    Not stupid does not mean not mean.
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  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 9 May 2021 10: 01
    +3
    As the character from the film "We Will Live Until Monday" remarked - "After Peter 1, Russia was very unlucky with the tsars."

    Until 1905, there was not even a parliament in Russia — there was a State Council made up of generals, courtiers and nobles, appointed by the tsar himself, loyal to the throne. There was no Constitution either. Karraul!

    The sultan's dense Turkey has a parliament and a constitution since 1876.

    But we have "The Crunch of a French Roll" and many years later a completely caramel film "Russia We Lost" - life in Tsarist Russia is presented as continuous balls, parades, banquets and gentlemen officers in beautiful uniforms with chic ladies (about 4% of the total population).

    Absolute power and a huge country in the hands of a fool and henpecked.

  • Usher
    Usher 9 May 2021 14: 11
    0
    In general, in parallel, the oppressors were driven out. Why remember?